ATHF Mafia OVER(roles and whatnot revealed)

[Seacore]

I recently read MoI's GTKAS, and I think he's awesome.

VOTE: MagnaofIllusion

Also no role claiming, name claiming or claiming of any kind. There are more than enough characters in ATHF for fake claims to not stand out. [/claimdiscussion]

[Seacore]

Argh, I meant to point out in my first post that my avatar is not any kind of claim, and some of you should be able to vouch for me that I've had it since I joined the site. Ugh, I am so fucking retarded, I'd been planning to say that for days now and then forgot when the thread finally open.

So there, it's said, I just wanted to head off any potential claim accusation.

[Seacore]

GW, is it typical for you to not engage in RVS?

[Seacore]

I'm explicitly saying you SHOULDN'T assume I'm oglethorpe just by my avatar, not setting myself up for claiming him.

[Seacore]

As somebody who read Nacho's and Fate's comments as serious, I don't really see podium as scum for reacting how he did. Then again, I'm used to always being accused of scum early in Day 1, as some of you can attest to, so maybe I was just paranoid.

[Seacore]

My game count is probably at the one dozen mark, but I haven't kept track of games pre-forum upgrade, so I don't know for sure.

@ implosion,

I'm disagreeing with the reason people are finding podium scummy. How is that an excuse?

[Seacore]

@ implosion, no, that is a misread of my post. Go back and read it in context.

Fate voted for podium reacting to a joke/rvs vote.
Podium responds saying he didn't understand it was a joke and that he's not used to Fate's style.
I agreed with podium saying I also didn't read it as a joke, but that maybe that's just because I'm always paranoid Day 1. In short, I don't find podium scummy because he reacted the same way I did.

[Seacore]

Okay, fair enough. It's fairly typical meta for me, but the only game I could link you to is ongoing.

In other news I like to actively discourage not answering questions and voting without strong explanation, so

UNVOTE: MagnaofIllusion
VOTE: VibeBox

[Seacore]

@MoI,

Sorry, by no claims I meant, lets not discuss the merits of mass claims. The standard L-1 with a willing hammerer claim is fine by me and should happen as usual. And it should involve both name and role.
However, as somebody who recently ran a game with fake claims given to the scum, I will not tolerate much in the way of whether a name claim is believable or not.

As for my 'surprising' reaction, chalk it up to being sick of being a day 1 wagonee, clearly now I see it was my paranoia.

[Seacore]

podium, just ignore him and scum hunt, this is the kind of thing that fate does.

Also, don't use N1 as no-one, as I read it as Night 1 five times before I worked it out

[Seacore]

Seacore STOP BEING A PARANOID....

Wait did you just ask him to scumhunt?

Why would you need to ASK him to scumhunt?

TOWN already know what they are supposed to do.

AKA PODIUM IS NOT FUCKIN TOWN.

AND NEITHER ARE YOU SCUMBOI.

.

Votecount (as of this post)
Fate: 1 (podium) L-6
podium: 4 (Fate, GhostWriter, VasudeVa, VibeBox) L-3
Seacore: 2 (implosion, Nacho) L-5
VibeBox: 3 (Magna, Seacore, Zinive) L-4

[Seacore]

That was my way of not responding to your idiocy.

[Seacore]

@MOI, could you link me that game that you referred to, I've lost track of all my old games.

As I remember, me being proactive and leading that charge didn't work out so well for town.
I'd argue that I'm still proactive to a degree, I took an early stance on claiming, for example.

As for VB's concern about scum self hammering, or a quick lynch. These are both useful temptations for the town to use on scum. We make it very clear as soon as the wagon hits L-1 or even as it approaches. Anybody who hammers quickly is held responsible for that, regardless of flip.

This site's view on L-2 claiming is that it's often over used as rolefishing.

[Seacore]

@podium,

The reason why I dropped it is that it seemed it was miscommunication, and it seemed hypocritical to vote for him for the doing what I did. I figured it was just get us into a big circle that would eventually just be seen as OMGUS

[Seacore]

Is there a backstory behind that? I don't get it.

[Seacore]

I gave my explanation, it's up to him whether he's satisfied or not. It was his first vote, so I'm not very worried about it.

[Seacore]

I'm approaching voting for podium too. This original points aren't really pinging my scumdar, but his reaction is. It feels like a bit like "but you shouldn't have caught me for that!"

I'll think on it over the weekend.
Also, I'll be limited access this weekend, but I'll have my phone, which tends to mean reading, not writing.

[Seacore]

It's hard to point out precise examples, because it's your overall play.

Basically, your defence is often "that's not a scum tell" rather than "I'm not scum"

[Seacore]

Given that I'm not happy any more with my vote on Vibe, I'm going to shift my vote

Unvote. Vote Podium

Note, this doesn't mean I'm happy with Vibe's play and style, I just view it as anti-town rather than scum.

[Seacore]

Who the hell are you to tell me if I don't like somebody's play style?

I have read all of his posts, and I still find him to be far less forthcoming and open than I like my town to be. He has a level of "well I don't care if you can't follow what I'm saying" that I really dislike. However, due to his posts, it's moved from "is this somebody just hopping on a wagon and avoiding direct questions" to "he's a bit of a jerk".

But whatever, if you think I'm bussing Podium, lets look at it after the flip.

[Seacore]

Here are some examples:

If i'm scum then why do i need to try and get a read on your alignment, dumbass?

What exactly was i caught doing?

.......................

ORLY? Explain to me how my comment showed that i was concerned for seacore.

But hold on... i just realized something... what i

basically

said was 'is this a serious post'... i just said asked it in a different way. You are acting like i made some big case about Fate and voted him or said he was scummy or something... all i basically did was ask if it was a serious post. When i found out it wasn't, i dropped it. You're telling me that is a scumtell?

Sheesh... i just solved everything you have against me right there.

Next dilemma.

To me, these are reading increasingly more as you engaging in a discussion as to why the 'scum tells' are justified, rather than why you aren't scum.

[Seacore]

@ Fate, I think I agree with you, that I would read my play as scummier if Podium flips town. However, i was reading you as implying we were scum buddies, I'll admit that. Maybe it's just because I was aware we defended each other (and attacked our respective attackers) earlier in the day.

Also on the Vibe front, I've been wavering on my scum read of him for days. But I kept it to myself, which is what I tend to do with wavering scum reads. I don't like to announce them until I've decided to put my vote somewhere else, because otherwise it weakens any pressure gained by the vote.

[Seacore]

Podium, I agree. GW's case seems to be that you knew the breadcrumb was a joke/lie and wanted to bring it up to store it and use it later.

While you're waiting for that, can you please respond to the inconsitencies that fate has pointed out.

This is a precise example of "debating the tells" that I'm talking about. Your defence is all about other people's arguments, not about your actions and alignment.

[Seacore]

I still have a wary eye on Seacore though, who I feel may be difficult to catch as scum (haven't seen his scumgame yet).

Hehe, nobody has, because there isn't one.

I'm looking forward to seeing it myself.


But on a more serious note, VV is discussing with Vibe the exact issue I have with Vibe. He's not assisting the town but just assuming that his thoughts are understood. I want Vibe to be more transparent (I like everybody to be)

[Seacore]

Almost as if you thought you could slip in quickly with a vague comment like that, and think i would be too overwhelmed with everything else to notice and/or defend against it.

So the part where I direct your attention precisely to my points? This is the part where i was hoping you wouldn't notice?

Fate, were you persuaded by Podium, or is it the earlier points that have got you voting for me?

[Seacore]

Almost as if you thought you could slip in quickly with a vague comment like that, and think i would be too overwhelmed with everything else to notice and/or defend against it.

So the part where I direct your attention precisely to my points? This is the part where i was hoping you wouldn't notice?

You prefaced your vote (that you had just said you were going to think about over the weekend) with one of those vague comments. When i asked you for an example, you made another general comment. Only after i asked you a second time did you provide specifics.

Well, I was actually already going through your posts prior to you asking me the second time, but there's no way for me to prove that, so fair enough.

But my first comment still stands, it's not just those quotes. Your attitude the whole time has been "you can't find me scummy for those things" as opposed to "I'm not scum".

Anyway, this is getting circular, I recommend that the three of us stop posting until all other players have contributed.
This is with the exception of podium responding to his inconsistencies.

[Seacore]

@Fate, my idea is that giving the other players 7 pages to catch up on is better than giving them 12 for having them contribute.

And no, never been scum, on this site or on any other.

[Seacore]

Hehe, like those is SAII and [redacted]?

Thor665? I like him as a player, got a link for him as cult, I want to go read?

[Seacore]

Mod, can we get some prods, 'The Butterfly' hasn't even posted yet. But prods on others would be good.

[Seacore]

Yeah, we gonna kill that Zinive dude when he comes back.
If he comes back.
Hell,

ima drop the podium case entirely and SLAUGHTER HIS ASS if he comes back

.

Yup.

Fantastic motivation for him to not lurk.

[Seacore]

And what exactly did you call it when i stopped in the middle of "accuse podium day 2010" to make a case against seacore? was that 'all fuckin defense' too?

I believe that's called an OMGUS defense

[Seacore]

Actually Fate, there was a response to the contradiction. He denies it exists.

Also, I'm serious about the OMGUS case on me. If it was an actual case on me it would involve other posts I've made, and he'd probably look into who else finds me guilty to find more evidence to hang me with. But he doesn't. He openly admits he hasn't looked at why Fate finds me guilty. Instead it's "I don't like why you find me guilty, so you must be guilty!"

[Seacore]

So no he has not responded.

no i hadn't responded yet...

because all of you

faggots

are sitting around saying things and then mashing the refresh button every 2 seconds to see if have responded yet.

Calling somebody an idiot, or mentally retarded for their opinions and arguments is fine by me, but implying that something is "bad" by saying it's homosexual is pretty offensive, so lets try and avoid that shall we?

[Seacore]

And on that note

Limited access for the weekend, christmas shopping and Harry Potter here I come

[Seacore]

I'm back home. I've been trying to keep abreast of things by phone, but there's been a lot to read, and most of it painful. I'm likely going to bed, but I'll probably be able to post something meaningful from work tomorrow.

[Seacore]

Yeah, I"m largely going to focus on the implosion stuff, as he seems the main other case. But who knows, work could be super boring and my other game seems to have eased off.

[Seacore]

Okay, I've done as much of a reread as I'm going to do, I'm still happy with a podium lynch.

I see that Fate is suspicious that I didn't chime in when he saw me online. I was at my parent's place all weekend, any time I was viewed online was me reading the two games I'm in on my phone. I said that before I went on V/LA.

Can somebody sum up the implosion case? Is it basically him saying podium might be a jester? I've never played a game with a jester before so I have no idea how discussions about them work.

I've seen some questions asked of me, but none of them seem very important.
There's a general accusation of podium and I being scum buddies. I can't refute that we defended each other early, whether or not you read that as a scum tell is up to you. As for my jump onto his wagon, again, it's all about whether you believe me, but I'll spell out my thought process a little more clearly.
I was voting for Vibe. I did this because I hate people who vote without reason. It's hard to get reads, they can claim later what their motives were, etc. It was the scummiest thing I'd seen so far, and I stand by the fact that I didn't find podium's reaction to the 'breadcrumb' votes or his defence of me that scummy.
Then podium started to react and it drew my attention. I waited and watched a little while because a)podium had plenty of pressure and was reacting to it, and b)I didn't want to take the pressure off of Vibe just yet. Podium's recent accusation that if I don't like players who aren't forthcoming and open, then I was being dodgy myself isnt' quite apt. I don't like players who aren't open or forthcoming about their votes. If I was posted "I'm wavering on my vibe vote" before I was ready to do so, that would remove the whole point of voting for him. After that, I voted for podium and haven't regretted it since.
So most accusations of me being scum seem to involve me being scum with podium (unless I"ve missed something).
Those accusations are based on early defence of each other and then later wagoning of each other. Again, let me know if I've missed something.

[Seacore]

Podium, your inconsistencies were the ones that Fate repeatedly quoted. I don't see what was unclear about that. Do I have to quote them too to be able to refer to them?

At the time I voted for you, I was getting the vibe from you, and I think my quotes do highlight that, that you were annoyed at what was being used as the reasons for calling you scum, rather than being called scum. Since then, your general flailing and poor scum hunting has further confirmed you as scum to me.

As for the second half of your vibebox comment. Even with Vibe's other posts, he still read to me with an attitude of "I'll tell you what I want to tell you, when I want to tell you it" and that annoys me.

We still don't have Butterfly posting at all, do we?

I sent him a second prod telling him that either he starts posting pronto or I replace him. We'll see what happens...

[Seacore]

I admit that my staying on podium is a little lazy, but I do genuinely find him scummy. Just because other people have been satisfied with his explanation of his behaviour or have moved on does not mean I have to. To just label it as "spaghetti flinging" is not apt. When you consider that over half the posts in this game are podium's, and that his attitude bounces back and forth depending on his mood, it's difficult to address all of it at once. And it's also incorrect to do so. Just because he calmed down at some point does not mean that his early ranting and flailing wasn't a scum tell. It's just a scum tell before a good night sleep.

And I genuinely find it hard to see anything past podium, there's just so god damn much of it.

But anyway, I'm not going to post much in this game until the players we haven't really heard from actually contribute. So that's Vibe, MoI, GW and of course our replacements, which I assume the Butterfly must be by now? Surely?

[Seacore]

MoI, I like the way you post, I'm not trying to get you to spam the thread. I included you in my list of "people who I want to post more before the rest of us post more" because you had promised a particular post. What I'd really like to happen is that the replacements come in and get caught up before we go too much further. Today has already been a relatively heavy posting Day 1 for a mini. I don't want us to get to a place where replacements refuse to read because the count is too high.

Since I'm probably as guilty of tunneling podium as anybody, I'm going to look over implosion while I wait for others to post.

Also, just for clarity. In the AGM game, from memory, I didn't think I'd caught scum with deer. Other people kept interpreting my comment as catching scum. I was simply saying that people should avoid making 'fluff' statements like "interesting" when they should be saying "looks scummy" "looks town" "suggests a relationship between A and B" or whatever.
Could somebody link that game? I lost all my pre-server-change games.

[Seacore]

Zdenek has replaced xenephon, despite the OP not reflecting this.

[Seacore]

Zdenek is the one that has been posting.

Zinive hasn't posted since the second flavour post.

UT is currently looking for a replacement for Zinive, but hasn't mentioned the Butterfly, who hasn't posted all game despite apparently confirming.
So we have two slots who haven't contributed at all. Which is a fair portion in a 12 man game.

[Seacore]

For the meantime i'll shift my vote

unvote. vote Vibe

I'd like some contribution there please.

I'll do some posting soon, it's a busy morning at work but the afternoon should free up some time for me.

[Seacore]

Good enough for me,

I'll make him the lead wagon, enhanced for his pressure.

Unvote. Vote implosion

I haven't had a chance to read yet, today has been very busy. It's like they expect me to actually do work for my pay.

[Seacore]

I think Vibebox's post was one of the scummiest I've seen so far.

Why vote somebod who isn't one of your scum reads when, not only do you have scum reads, but one of your scum reads is a substantial wagon (i.e. Me)?

The reason given is just as scummy, why, just because you have a town read on somebod, do you give up your own reads to sheep them? Town does not mean he's right, it just means he's town.

unvote. vote Vibebox

also, implosion, my vote on you was largely to increase the pressure on you to post since there had been the accusation that you were lurking.

I've got meetings this morning, but will post more this afternoon.

[Seacore]

If you think he's bussing, then why would he put me in the ??? category?

It's not uncommon for scum to want to undermine the wagno they're bussing. That way they save their scum buddy but if that scum buddy ever flips scum they can say "But I voted for them back in blah"

[Seacore]

Nacho, I have no idea what the hell you are trying to say in 429

[Seacore]

I'm more than happy to return to implosion, if we want to lynch Vibe's scum buddy first.

[Seacore]

I've seen scum claim to be experimenting with a new style, apologise and then try to play nice. Then they flip scum, hey MoI?

I'm going to be V/LA all weekend, and my grandfather just died. Unfortunately my V/LA destination, unlike last weekend, is sans-3G, so unless I get some internet access some other way I'll be gone til Monday.

unvote. vote implosion

I think they're scummy independently of each other, but I also think they are buddies. If implosion gets lynched, at this stage, I'll be pushing for vibe's lynch tomorrow.

"Oh no, Seacore is setting up a lynch for tomorrow, that's so scummy"

No, I'm merely stating my current strong belief that these two are scum, and likely scum together.

[Seacore]

No, that's L-2

[Seacore]

And a person shouldn't claim at L-1, they should claim when they are at L-1 AND somebody says they are willing to hammer.

[Seacore]

@GW, fair enough, under that premise I'd accept a claim at L-1

[Seacore]

Actually, we're only half way through our 3 week Day 1, so I change that, I don't accept a claim under Zdenek's "will hammer at deadline" post.

Day 1 started 16 Nov, + 3 weeks, Day 1 will end 7 Dec

That's 11 days away. So until somebody is at L-1, and another person is holding the hammer, no claiming.

[Seacore]

I got access at my inlaws, I'm happy with how the claim went.
L-2 with MoI willing to hammer and Zdenek willing to deadline hammer, means doing this early was precisely the way to go.

Unvote. Vote Vibebox

[Seacore]

Podium.

The ONE alternative to implosion's claim when it happened was for us to WAIT 9 days, because none of the rest of us were willing to move, and THEN have the claim.

That would not have been good.

5 people voting for implosion + 2 people willing to - 2 people who aren't playing this game (the flakers) means there was no other option.

[Seacore]

Also, podium, do you find nothing at all scummy about vibebox not voting for somebody on his scum list to instead join fate's bandwagon on implosion? Do you find nothing scummy about his explanation for doing so?

[Seacore]

Two things make that not a contradiction Fate.

1) we had both MoI and Zdenek willing to hammer
2) GW knew we were on the wrong track and pushed for it.

[Seacore]

Probably not a helpful thing to admit, but I'm totally taking notes for what appeases you for when I AM scum.

[Seacore]

Kcd, we were there
We need your analysis, not a summary.

[Seacore]

I'll just quickly respond to RC's issues with me, since it looks like we're on our way to good VB lynch.

Seacore 6 - I didn't articulate it well, so I had to clarify later, but I was trying to avoid an early character claim. I pushed for one in A Game of Thrones mafia run by faraday and it was a huge mistake, and I've learned from that.

Seacore 23 - I was referring to #8 in this post, not #6. I just wanted to avoid any waste of time that could come from someone saying my avatar might have been chosen specifically after getting the role. It was one of those posts that I was planning to make in the large length of time between getting the role PM and the thread opening.

Seacore 76 - I was responding directly to both comments about my previous meta, and comments from people not used to the site about when claiming was appropriate, I don't see a problem here.

Seacore 128 - Way to read out of context. I had previously been one of podium's defenders, declaring that his reaction to the breadcrumbing/rvs votes wasn't scummy However, I was starting to find his reaction to his own wagon scummy. Unless it's for a specific purpose, I like to post what I'm thinking, I like being transparent.

Also, if you've stopped at 176, you've missed just a little.

[Seacore]

@kcd, there's a lot of 'placation' in that summary post. I'm not sure yet whether it's scummy placation or new-to-the-site placation. You've done little more than repeat things that people have said, but you also had 25 pages to go through.

Day 3 we'll see how you go. Where is Vibe with his claim?

[Seacore]

I'm with you on the Nacho front, MoI

But I've got a few people I'd like to see swing before we get there.

[Seacore]

All this podium bashing is well and good, but where the hell is Vibe? Could we have a prod please?

done

[Seacore]

In regards to the role cop, I think we can afford to check it once.

If somebody gets either mooninite or either plutonian, we should lynch them. If they flip with that role but not the expected alignment, we don't do it again. But unless we're close to lylo or mylo, I think it's worth one try.

Implosion, how familiar are you with Aqua Teen Hunger Force, will you recognise potentially scummy characters? MC Pee Pants and the 4 aliens are probably the most familiar bad guys. I don't think the professor would count but he could.

[Seacore]

So, can we get a replacement into Vibebox's slot please?

Also, I'll be V/LA again this weekend, for a little longer too, All of friday - sunday inclusive, australian time.

[Seacore]

Podium, who has dissapeared?


Who is this "everybody"?

[Seacore]

Lol actually, nevermind, I just realised that you're probably including the v/la, I was thinking Lurkers and flakers when I read your post.

my bad.

[Seacore]

I don't really like this MoI wagon, but I'll have a closer look at it at work today.

Right now I'd be all for a Kcda lynch, his play screams newbie scum. I also don't like how Vibe has saved himself by disappearing

[Seacore]

We still have over 24 hours. So calm down Nacho.
I'd like MoI to claim first.

Vibe isn't so far away fromt he threshold that we can't move people there in this time.

My current picks for scum are Vibe and Kcda

And GW, I'm not saying that Vibe has dissapeared in order to save himself, but that doesn't change that his absence should completely undo all the scumminess that he did.

[Seacore]

Haven't had a chance to review yet, but regardless of my views, I'm willing to wait to let him claim.

[Seacore]

From my experience of modding MoI, he's always v/la on weekends because he has a young family. So I'd be expecting him back soonish. In plenty of time for me to hammer if necessary.

[Seacore]

1) Bite me, I'll post content when I want

2) My content is irrelevant, I MoI's claim is what we're waiting for.

3) Small summary, I don't like the case on MoI, but MoI has tricked me before.

[Seacore]

I'm not one of your disciples Fate, bring on your wagon if you want to lynch me.

[Seacore]

My current scum suspicions

1.Chkflip
2.Kcda
3.RC

[Seacore]

I agree implosion.

Are people also satisfied that podium is not scum? The only other option is a two scum team cross kill with the other kill being protected.

[Seacore]

Okay, there's a reason why I ask.

I'm going to claim now because I think there's value in some more or less confirmed townies.

I'm Billywitchdoctor.com, I breadcrumbed it in my second post. Which is why I reacted the way I did to the comments about breadcrumbing right at the beginning, because I figured I'd been caught at it. I was tired when I wrote it and in retrospect it did look blatant to me.

Anyway, the point is, I can Rez somebody. Once a game. Without flips this could be difficult.

My question is, should I rez podium.

If I did, there would be 11 of us alive, and assuming we believe both I and Podium are town, that makes 4 of the 11 basically confirmed town.

[Seacore]

We still have flips regarding their character names, just not alignments.

[Seacore]

Well I admit there could be bastardry involved, however, I raise people as a vanilla version of whatever alignment they are, so it's not a perfect rez?

Either way it's worth a shot if we decide to use it on podium.
Otherwise we just need to keep me alive overnight and I'll use it on somebody else.

[Seacore]

Vas, wanna weigh in on whether I should raise Podium?

[Seacore]

Based on conversations I've had with the mod to clarify my role abilities, I believe Zdenek.

Fate, I claimed for a reason. Do I use my one shot and raise podium? Please weigh in.

[Seacore]

Also, I'm not sure that chkflip is a flavour thief. Because what he 'stole' from me makes no sense with my character.

[Seacore]

Actually there is one thing that I don't like about Zdenek's claim, and that is that it has a title. "Role Impersonator"

My PM didn't contain a title, it said who I was and then it explained my ability and then it explained that I won with town.

From the look of chkflip's claim, he doesn't have a title, he's judged that he's a thief type from the explanation.

VV hasn't claimed a role title, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have one so we'll have to wait for him to get back.

implosion, did you get a title? Or are you just summing up that you're a role cop?

[Seacore]

Okay, Fate's waste of time aside.

I think I may be able to raise podium during the day... that's what I meant by believing that Zdenek's conversation with the mod went the way it did. Because my ability didn't clarify whether it was a day ability or a night ability, so I asked and the mod said he didn't know. But later he said it was potentially either.

So, I'd like to try that now.

mod

Arise Chicken, Arise!.... Arise Chicken, Arise!

Nancy, hold implosion's hand.

Raise podium

[Seacore]

Gee. I think Nancy's on her rags...

[Seacore]

If you want to lead a lynch on me, because you're pissy about us calling you Nancy, despite the fact that you think I'm town.

And you want to do so after pretty much declaring that you'll be leading that lynch regardless of your win condition.

Then you go right ahead. But if you do, kindly shut up about what an awesome scum hunter you are.

Nancy.

[Seacore]

Claims so far with flavour from relevent episode(s)

Seacore - Billywitchdoctor.com - Friendly with the main characters, fairly useless in powers (I really hope podium doesn't come back as the demon-chicken)
chkflip - Willie Nelson - Monster who kills lots of people and drinks their blood (as juice) however, is friendly with the main characters
implosion - Master Shake - Mason with Ghostwriter and Flavour cop - Master shake is a jerk who hates metwad
Zdenek - George Lowe - Reoccuring minor character, appears as cop and dj and other things(maybe this is the role impersonator bit)
GhostWriter - I couldn't find the claim, but I assume he's frylock? - Generally a good guy, but he's into S&M
Nachomamma8 -
Kcdaspot -
Fate -
RedCoyote -
VasudeVa - Boxy Brown - Imaginary Character made up by Meatwad

Fate, VV claimed to have sent you something last night, can you be a bit more clear as to what happened?

[Seacore]

No what?

[Seacore]

Very helpful, thank you.

[Seacore]

Booyah!

Success, I wasn't sure it would work to be honest.

[Seacore]

I disagree with you being on that list and to an extent Fate.

However, I have no problem with

obv town
Podium
Seacore
Ghost
Implosion

town
Fate
Nacho

[Seacore]

Yes, but I'd rather not get into that too much, suffice to say, both of you aren't high on my lynch agenda.

However, I'd rather not give the scum a list of people to lynch in what order to provide maximum confusion. They've already got 4 confirmed town to pick from, so lets leave it at that.

I want kcda dead today.

[Seacore]

I'd also like Ghostwriter to flavour claim (but not power role claim)

[Seacore]

podium, nacho basically is saying that we can lynch anybody not in his group of 6, one a day, and almost certainly win the game. However, I don't want to get into that, I'd rather just proceed as normal with a few "pretty much confirmed"

I mean, even the four obv towns on my list aren't "confirmed"
Podium could have been scum who was cross killed or vigged.
I could be scum raising a buddy or simply messing with town and trying to look confirmed
implosion and ghost could be scum buddies.

So I'd rather take it one day at a time without giving too much of a game plan to scum.

[Seacore]

Yeah, actually, good point Nacho, I withdraw my request for ghost writer to claim.

If I was trying to out guess the mod I'd be suspicious of VV's claim. Boxy Brown is one of meatwad's toys, meatwad gives him a voice when he's playing with him, but otherwise he's just a box. Meatwad is missing, therefore I'm suspious of the box.

However, Boxy Brown is such a cool character that I'm not willing to lynch on that alone.

[Seacore]

podium's PR claim gives a little more credibility to zdenek and chkflip's claims.

[Seacore]

^Agreed

[Seacore]

Actually, not agreed.

Couldn't I be scum and podium not scum?

If nobody Vig claims, we either have two scum teams (or scum +SK) or podium is town.

[Seacore]

irritating and grating,

Lol, this isn't just pot calling the kettle black

This is a black hole that has recently swallowed a cargo shuttle transporting black paint calling the kettle black.

[Seacore]

Why do you want to lynch Zdenek? I thought you changed your mind on that?

[Seacore]

Vote kcda

I'm limitidish over the weekend.

[Seacore]

George Lowe (I looked this up on wiki because I didn't know) is a human character that reoccurs every so often. He is the DJ at Carl's wedding, he also apparently plays a cop in one episode. Maybe a role impersonator means if he's investigated, he appears as one of us. Like a miller or something.

[Seacore]

I get that there could be a scum reviver, that's fine. But to doubt that I'm billywitchdoctor.com is stupid. I breadcrumbed in my second post. And that seems to be the crux of chkflip's vote, that I can't be billywitchdoctor.

[Seacore]

I have no idea, do you think on top of my reviver power, I have some kind of redirecting power?

[Seacore]

Fate, there's dozens of players who use those stupid glasses, I doubt he's pretending not to be an alt and then would do that, yes?

That being said, I'm happy for his lynch, but because I think he's noob scum, not fake noob faking VI.

[Seacore]

I think we may be back up to needing 6

[Seacore]

I feel that he's textbook noob-scum. He jumps on wagons and then backs off the moment people pressure him on anything. He declares people town with very little support, in an attempt to buddy.
He's scum.

[Seacore]

Well, RC hasn't been back for a while, and Nacho hasn't claimed either

[Seacore]

I wasn't pushing for a mass claim at this point anyway. I just thought it was worth me claiming

[Seacore]

I raised podium, so that should change the vote requirements. I think you're at L-2.

[Seacore]

Yay two deaths, this can't possibly be terrible.

Oh wait.

Vote: RC

Lets get this over with.

[Seacore]

Neither of us are scum, my role says that they come back as a vanilla of their old alignment.
So unless my role pm is a blatant lie, (which I'm not going to be my house on in this game) podium didn't do it.

[Seacore]

Just because we know he's town doesn't mean he's right.

I think we more likely have either a double up on Night 1's death or a 1shot vig Night 2.

If my ability was a one shot raise dead which turns that person into a serial killer allied to me, I would have waited until later in the game to use it.

[Seacore]

Then a vig needs to stand up and claim that they killed Frylock. Otherwise I'm not buying it.

[Seacore]

If this is a botched night resolution, I'm quitting this game, just saying.

[Seacore]

OKay, now we have to lynch him either way.

[Seacore]

Okay, lets assume podium...

Hang on, wasn't podium Dead during Night 1?

[Seacore]

I think we need to kill RC

[Seacore]

RC, if you are town, you've done the worst job at it. You've made two mistakes with your claim. Do you honestly think any sane person shouldn't lynch you?

Particuarly when you "discover" these mistakes after you've been called on it?

[Seacore]

That's 4, one more please.

[Seacore]

If you have to worry about podium, then you have to worry about both of us, because I'm outright declaring that my PM tells me he's of the same alignment as he was.

Hmmm... unless he was always third party

[Seacore]

OoOh, I was just looking at the OP death list.

Podium and Nacho were killed by the same person, or at least in the same way, they had "things ripped off"

whereas frylock was killed differently.

[Seacore]

also, podium was killed Night 1, so if he was an SK, his kill would still have landed.

And he was the only death. So it's unlikely he's an SK>


So in conclusion, from this triplepost you can conclude that if you have to worry about podium it means I or my PM are lying.

[Seacore]

Hehe, well without alignment flips there's not as much to analyse.

I agree with willie nelson comment. I vote chkflip dies next. I mean, willie nelson cut off limbs to bleed dry if I recall correctly.

Assuming that is true who would rape and behead...

Did you role cop last night?

[Seacore]

Oh wait, I just read, you checked podium.

[Seacore]

Okay, so Zdenek was the SK. I think...

NOBODY VOTE UNTIL WE DISCUSS THINGS

Without flips, we need to consider that we may be in Lylo. Or at the very least MyLo

Okay, so Zdenek killed during N2 and N3 but not N1... Had Zdenek replaced in by then? I remember it taking a long time to get a replacement, but I'm sure he was in by then. So why did he not attack...

We lynch today, that brings us to 4 left. We get 1 NK, that brings us to 3.

If there's two scum left, we're in Lylo.
If there's one scum left, okay.

Podium and I are cleared, as far as I'm concerned.

This means one of two things.

Implosion is the other scum, since Frylock was killed by the SK

or our remaining scum are one or both of chkflip and VV

[Seacore]

I'm currently in favour of lynching chkflip,
what was his claim again?

I'm reminded that VV is Boxy Brown, who is an imaginary character of meatwad's...

I think though, that I'd be in favour of lynching implosion tomorrow, on the off chance that shake and frylock are the scum.

[Seacore]

Yeah, it makes sense that he'd be doing the chopping up.

N1 Arms ripped off
N2 Everything ripped off
N3 Shredded.

Yep, I say we go with Chkflip

If that doesn't work, I'm going to be tearing my hair out tomorrow.
I think I'll vote for VV tomorrow, just to reward you for being active.

Vote:chkflip

[Seacore]

I'm not scum, because I revived you podium. In a game without claims why the hell would I revive you? I'd a) revive scum who were killed by the SK, or at the very least b) revive somebody who didn't think I was scummy.

[Seacore]

chkflip, it was fairly clear when you claimed that you didn't know anything about your character. So that doesn't fly with me.

Podium, reviving an enemy who is focused on you is a really bad scum gambit. At the very most, I'd raise town who was neutral about me.

[Seacore]

Podium. I can't successfully prove a negative. However, you are saying that I've used my power role in a towny way.
There are two explanations for this

1) I'm town
2) I'm scum, using my one shot ability in a way that hurts my team, in an attempt to look town. Given that there are no flips in this game, and I knew that before I used to power, I'd almost certainly not get busted for using it in a different way.

One of these is far simpler than the other. But if you want to believe the far more complex answer then go ahead, there's NOTHING I can do to persuade you out of it, since I can't provide proof.

Next,
Vas, when you say "Implosion's chicken stuff", do you mean that implosion Role Cop'd Podium During N2 and found out that he was now a chicken? Because that's not a big deal, podium admitted to that immediately after I raised him on Day 2. If you've seen the episode with Billywitchdoctor.com, in an attempt to raise shake from the dead, he raises a giant demon chicken.
Wow that makes podium look bad.
No, it doesn't, because podium was killed by the only kill method currently remaining, so it's not him.

Next,
Implosion. Yes, that's a concern. In fact, I noticed in the final vote count of D3 I had a similiar vote on me, and forgot. I'm going to go look into that.

[Seacore]

In the last vote count of Day 3, neither chkflip or Vas were voting, but there was a nameless vote on me.
Today, chkflip isn't voting, and there's a nameless vote on vas.

That doesn't mean it's chkflip, somebody could have a second vote (which would be stupidly overpowered in a mini, but whatever, I'm not outguessing the mod) but I think, combined with other evidence, it's pretty damning of chkflip.

[Seacore]

I've done this already, but lets go through it again in slow motion. Process of elimination

Alive

Seacore
chkflip
implosion
VasudeVa
podium123456

Podium is town. He was killed, N1, but the only kill method still left in the game. Unless the scum team were doing a crazy gambit and knew I was around with my rezzing power, or unless my PM is outright lying to me about podium staying the same alignment when he's rezzed, Podium is certainly town.

Seacore, I know I'm town, but for you guys, I'm probably town. Podium has a whole circular theory that I'm scum who raised town, but I think it's fairly clear I'm town.

This leaves
chkflip
implosion
VasudeVa

Implosion is probably town. Frylock was not killed by the remaining kill method, so there is the possibility that frylock and implosion (as shake) are the scum team. However, I don't believe this is the case. 1) implosion "role copped" podium and tried to push a case on podium and I, but then backed off the moment it was clear podium wasn't lying. We weren't in lylo at that point, since there was an SK around, so it was too early for that kind of fake case.
Also, if implosion is scum then he's the sole survivor of the scum team, and then we're safe for today and can risk mislynching and a NK. If implosion is not scum, there's the chance there are two scum left. So implosion should not be lynched today.

That leaves
chkflip
VasudeVa

If there are two scum left, it has to be both of them.
If there's only one scum left, then it can be either, or implosion. Therefore we must lynch one of them today and if we're wrong about who we lynch, this should not end the game.

Looking at the cases.

chkflip is willie nelson, a character that is seen chopping off limbs in his episode. He also has generally appeared scummy in his behaviour. He also has not voted (openly?) the last two Days and may be the secret voter.

Vas is boxy brown, an inanimate object voiced by metwad's imagination and inaudible to everybody else. He's been inactive, but has been in the other game I'm in with him, so that's a null tell. There is currently a secret vote sitting on him, which likely clears him of being the secret voter (unless he's gambitting, which is possible).

I think chkflip needs to be lynched. If that does not end the day, then our decision will be between implosion (shake) or Vas (boxy brown).
Shake means we think he and Ghostwriter were the scum team all along.
Boxy Brown means we think Vas is the last half of a team we didn't quite see, or a solo scum.

At the moment, I'm openly leaning Vas on the second kill, but I think it's clear that chkflip is the lynch for tonight. I would not have voted for him so early this late in the game if I thought there was any other option.

[Seacore]

Vas, Apparently Zdenek - as One Hundred (I'm not imediately familiar with this character) was the serial killer, or at least the character with "raped and beheaded, possibly not in that order" kill flavour

That's the only flip we've had, Untrod spelled it out in his open day post.

[Seacore]

So, WIFOM used as defence can be a scum tell? Can be? Therefore, it's a null tell because town can do it to?

My night action isn't just unexpected, it's the worst possible action I could have taken for my scum team.

Podium, would you like to comment on my chkflip case at all?

If I am scum, am I scum with somebody else?
Seacore scum possibilities:
1) I'm a solo scum with the ability to revive one player. What a shit role. Solo scum would need to kill everybody but a single other player, meaning surviving until like Day 5, and then I go and raise somebody so I have to survive until Day 6, and who do I raise, but the one person who was on my case more than anybody.
2) I'm in a scum team with 1 other person. So, if you think my actions "may" be scummy because they are so town, join me in looking for the other person!

[Seacore]

Comments on my chkflip case please!

[Seacore]

What if the game doesn't end with chkflip's death?
Do you agree that you are logically the next target?

[Seacore]

I wonder if chkflip was scum buddies with MC peepants (MoI), that would make vague sense, they're both monsters.

Also, there was no serial killer attack that night, maybe the SK doesn't get to attack on the nights we are successful...

Meh, too much outguessing, I'm just bored.

[Seacore]

If chkflip is telling the truth here, which I doubt he is, but if he is, I'm going to be voting for Vas tomorrow, and give implosion the win if I'm wrong.

[Seacore]

Also, you claimed to have gotten the titty helmet from me, not podium.

[Seacore]

I think no lynch is the way to go here.

This is such a bastard game, there might be no scum left (unless somebody wants to claim doc). Even if there is scum, lets force them to kill so it's 2v1 rather than 3v1, since I have no idea which it would be, implosion or Vas.

Claim if you are doc

Also claim your night action,

I did nothing.

[Seacore]

No, podium, with all respect to Untrod, this is the worst game I've ever played. And I've played a game in which there were no mafia during day 1 and 2 and town slowly turned into SKs.

This game is worse.

That being said, I'm disliking Vas's last post. "if I had this ability as scum I'd have used it this way, therefore I'm town because I didn't use it in a scum way"

Still, I'm going to go with a no lynch

Vote: No Lynch

[Seacore]

Vas, you are the currently player I suspect the most. You haven't been super town this game, you've been lurky. All I was saying about your power claim was that it didn't add town points to your role.

[Seacore]

So. there was no night kill.

Fuck it, I no longer care if I win or lose, I just want this game to end.

Vote VasudeVa

[Seacore]

Sigh, this game is stupid.

I will be voting for implosion by the end of this post. But first I'll state me reasons.

1) No voting is apparently not an option, that will just extend this game out and I just don't want that. If one of us was scum with the ability to kill, the game would have ended last night. So there's some kind of reason to keep the game running, maybe there's a kill-less scum around.

2) Voting myself is not an option. I know I'm town.

3) Voting podium is not an option. It's "almost" an option, but I'm not going to do it. He was killed by the 'scum kill' flavour text. So he didn't start as that scum team. My Role PM specifically says that he stays the same alignment, and while i"m willing to believe my role PM is lying to me, I'm not going to act on that, because then I'd have to consider voting for myself too.

4) Therefore voting implosion is the only remaining option. It's possible that frylock had the kill power and implosion had other powers and they were the scum team. Although a kill happened after frylock died so I don't know.

Basically I just want this game to be over.

vote implosion

I understand that implosion won't vote for himself so that leaves podium. Podium doubts me, and has since Day 1.
Implosion, I will not be changing my vote to podium for any reason whatsoever, which leaves me as your only option to complete a lynch.
Therefore, podium, the final lynch is in your hands, vote me or implosion. I doubt I'll be making another post this game.

[Seacore]

Just to save UT the time, I"m not scum. Are you?

[Seacore]

So scum either lost their night kill at some point, or implosion just decided to stop using it?

I await the role pms and night actions, but thank god this game is over.

If I recorded wins and loses, I wouldn't record this as a win.

[Seacore]

The scum didn't know they were scum? This just keeps getting worse!

How were the night kills determined? Why did they cease in the last few days, effectively removing implosion's chance to win at all?

If scum didn't know they were scum, this wasn't even a game of mafia. Mafia, by definition, is about an

informed

minority.

Was this game reviewed in any way?

Also, I'm going to disagree with the praise about the flavour text. Maybe I view ATHF different due to the fact I'm Australian, or pretentious or some other factor, but I find ATHF far more subtle and clever, where this was just crude for the sake of being crude. There are suggestions that shake masturbates, for example, not scenes dedicated to it. But I care far less about the flavour then about the mechanics.

I will also echo MoI, the terrible mechanics and the poor flavour text could have been stomached a little better if the game was run consistently.

There were long periods of the game not running, that's unacceptable, that's why you should have a back up mod. Also, MoI suggests that his invisible vote was not applied consistently. That's also unacceptable.

I'm not saying this to be mean, I'm suggesting that there are many lessons in this game about how to properly prepare and mod a game.