Mafia 126 - Lovers Mafia! [Game Over]

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Also I really smell a mass lovers claim coming on at some point.

Vote: GreyICE

Well well well, look at that, I don't even have to put down a RVS vote. Quickest exit from RVS ever? I think so.

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lol

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You're just ten kinds of awful.

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How many games have you completed on this site, GreyICE?

I wanna know.

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...said the guy that is pushing for a mass-lovers-claim? How the hell is that pro-town at all?

SPOILER ALERT: It's not.

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Massclaim is bad because it conveniently shows scum who they can eliminate simultaneously. That's an advantage for scum. I believe loverclaim should only happen when someone is in danger of a lynch.

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I didn't realize that scum didn't have NK.

In that case, there's zero harm in massloverclaiming.

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Lover claim: Nero Cain

Also, I'm going to

UNVOTE

because my vote was based on the idea that scum had NK.

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VOTE: Espeonage
For using logic >:O

Why are you so terrible at everything?

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I want drammie to get home from work ;_;

That way I know which whore I have to kill that stole my lover away from me

[xRECKONERx]

I want drammie to get home from work ;_;

That way I know which whore I have to kill that stole my lover away from me

Don't worry, I'm sure someone will give you Vezok back if you ask nicely.

>_>

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Then again maybe Thingy (Emplover) referring to both scumteams as "wolves" is a slip and he's forgotten there are different types than his own?

HOLY BAJEESUS BATMAN

UNVOTE; VOTE: THINGY

CHOO CHOO POWERS ACTIVATE

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Hmm. Cannot decide if it was actual slip or not.

I wish Espeonage hadn't given him that out, because now I can't tell if it's genuine or not.

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Ah. So it is.

Unvote

again goddammit.

PREDIT: OKAY WHATEVER
MINDLESS SHEEPING GOGOGO

VOTE: EMPTYGER

SO WHY ARE WE LYNCHING EMPTYGER AGAIN?

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...oh.

But why is he scummy, independently?

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FOS

- feigning ignorance when I KNOW you read the role PMs during signups. I like how you disappeared for 3 hours to let everyone soak it in and give you cheap town points. I'm not lynching you on the first day, but I've got you pegged.

For the record, the entirety of my involvement in signing up for this game was Sens IMing me one day and going "Reck, sign up for my lovers game" and I was just like "link?" and said "/in".

That's why I'm the first person to post in the signup thread.

Furthermore, I disappeared for three hours because I'm sick as a fucking dog and I was alternating between puking my brains out, coughing up blood, and sweating my balls off. Excuse me for not sitting here the entire three hours when I feel like death. OH NO APPEAL TO EMOTION. Suck my balls.

1) I'm not lynching Nero today either.
2) So your plan from the start was to goad players into asking you why you had a problem with lover-claiming... mhmm…

Please, continue with this line of thought instead of just trailing off… assuming I had some master plan involved here, what was my gain out of having some long, drawn out plan to get people to ask me about lover-claiming?

Kise is probably town, as his hunting seems genuine, albeit overreaching.

@dramonic: LOVER CLAIM PLEASE SO I KNOW WHO TO KILL THANKS

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Unvote

He's town because we slept together.

First off, that's literally the most disturbing thing I could think of.

I was going to ask why Emptyger hadn't answered Umbrage's question, then I realised I was reading the thread backwards.

Second off, how is this even remotely considered content?

Did Reckoner just claim a kill?

Third off, I REFUSE TO BELIEVE ANYONE IS THIS FUCKING RETARDED.

ISO ON HAYLEN WITH POTENTIAL VOTE INCOMING

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1[/supALLOW ME TO PRESENT HAYLEN'S GLORIOUSLY SCUMMY AND SHITTY ISO

Her first post literally consists of the following parts, broken down bit by bit. In fact, I'll go ahead and just quote it so you can all follow along with HOW TO BE OBVSCUM 101:

¹Oh wow, you guys speak loads. ²I could get behind a massclaim, ³but I would like to see Baby Spices opinion on it first.

⁴Current town read: Silvador
⁵Current neutral read: Umbrage
⁶Current scum read: Emptyger - he seemed a bit strawmanny and enthusiastic

⁷

Vote Haylen
Claim: Vanilla Cop Chain Doc Fridge Mad Scientist Lover Surviver to a Jester.

1) Passive-aggressive complaining about how fast the game is already moving.
2) Passively supports a massclaim, but doesn't come down concrete on either side... *could* get behind a massclaim
3) For some odd reason, wants to see Baby Spice's opinion on massclaiming...without giving any hint as to why her opinion is supposedly more valid.
4) Vapid town read on a single person.
5) Vapid neutral read on a single person.
6) Vapid scum read on a single person... then just throws some buzzwords down to make it seem like it's not as reasonless and, well, VAPID as it really is.
7) Completely unfunny selfvote with a claim.


Then she comes back in her second post and says her entire first post was just one big joke? No... not, it wasn't, because nothing about points 1-3 seemed like a joke. Point 4 could be a loverclaim, but point 5 is just weird, and point 6 is passive support of a wagon that already had plenty of support behind it. Seems like she was testing the waters. Not joking.

Her third post is simply defending her now-all-but-confirmed-lover's inactivity. Whoop dee doooo. And her fourth post? Well, see my post RIGHT ABOVE THIS ONE for reasons why that one is laughable.

VOTE: HAYLEN

Completely scummy intro post, then backpedals and says the whole post is a joke. Apparently doesn't have time to post any content, but has enough time to try to defend Silvador. Also, tries to call my "kill" thing a SCUMSLIP when we JUST GOT THROUGH HAVING AN ENTIRE MOTHERFUCKING DISCUSSION ABOUT SCUM NOT HAVING A KILL

WHAT IS THIS I DONT EVEN

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@Mod: Please fix tags.

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This, plus the convo I had with him over on AIM about this setup, make me sure he's feigning ignorance to gain town points in a situation where he (as scum) cannot pick off other players with nightkills.

HOLY SHIT. KISE, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT?

I am not kidding when I say that this threw me for a loop. So, I went to my messaging client (Adium, which automatically stores chat logs), and looked at all my recent conversations with Riko to see what he could be talking about. Here are the ONLY FOUR LOGS I HAVE WITH RIKO SINCE REINSTALLING MY OS BACK IN NOVEMBER:

11/21/10 - One-line hello from Riko while I wasn't there
01/20/11 - 22 minute conversation talking about the end of me/dram's Ocarina of Time game, Goofbash, and how my boyfriend's name is also the name of a Pokémon trainer.
01/21/11 - One-line hello with information about his Square-Enix 4 mafia game
01/26/11 - A prod to go post in his Square-Enix 4 mafia game

And that is all the fucking contact I've had with Riko for months.

Not ONCE have we talked on AIM about this game, or this setup, or anything. I really, really thought Kise was town, but he just blatantly fabricated something that isn't there. Like, I'm not sure how to prove this…

Mod: Would taking a screenshot of my desktop with my chat logs be considered a modkillable offense?

If that doesn't work, I don't know what to do, but Kise just blatantly and flippantly lied through his goddamn teeth in order to push a mislynch through on me.

I was planning on responding to the rest of the posts listed here, but I can't.

I NEED EVERYONE TO PLEASE READ THIS POST THOROUGHLY AND THEN COMMENT ON IT.

And, while I'm here:

Unvote; Vote: Kise

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Moving on to my less important post:

I quite like reck's Haylen vote... so

Thank you for your vote, now please redirect it onto Kise's lying ass.

I want to sleep with Haylen too:(.

No you don't.

Espeonage, I'm going to have to say that I found your post 188 case/vote on Kcd a bit of a reach.

Im in agreement with my lover. q21 has posted 5 times. 4 Times he's directing his viewpoints at GreyICE he also has a vote on him early on, then all of a sudden in the 5th flips on a dime and votes for Haylen with no real motivation? Very scummy.

You guys have a point, but please give your thoughts on Kise.

Aw, how is that thought so disturbing?

I can't say much more without getting modkilled/banned from Mafiascum.

I'm not really understanding why you're trying to build a case on Haylen based on one joke post, though.

Are you fucking retarded? My case is that it WASN'T a joke post. Jesus Christ.

Are you purposely trying to create an easy lynch?

Are you purposely trying to completely disregard everything I said and create a baseless attack on me? That seems awful scummy to me.

/sheeps lover

Try harder please.

Cross out my support of Reck then, if really was

that

aware of the setup. I darn forgot that half of the setup, so I could actually understand Reck forgetting, IM conversation or no. But "didn't realize" =/= forgot.

Except Kise & I have not talked about this game once, and I wasn't even consciously aware of the fact that he was IN THIS GAME until he posted his first post, which contained the initial attack on me.

Well, good to know that Haylen/silvador or whatever his name is are the lynches after Kise and his scumlover.

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[10]

Don’t quote any PMs from me or other players. If you do, I will cast Summon Nature's Modkill V on you.

Also, if you have anything sneaky or dicey such as screenshots, cryptography etc, please PM me and check.

I just took the screenshot. Uploading it now to send to the mod and ask if this is okay.

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You're leaning voting me, or believing me?

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Reck seems very jumpy, flinging himself desperately at every possible lynch he can find, using whatever evidence he can find.

USE YOUR FUCKING BIG BOY BRAIN AND CITE SOME GODDAMN EVIDENCE OR STOP PLAYING THIS GAME IMMEDIATELY
Since I know you're not going to, allow me to show you the people I've voted the whole game:
1) Voted for GreyICE when he suggested massclaiming lovers when I thought scum had a NK, retracted my vote as soon as the issue was resolved
2) Voted for Thingy for the whole "wolves" slip, then he provided ample support for why he did that, and I removed my vote
3) Put a vote on EmpTyger for lulz (note that I wasn't serious at all)
4) Made a case and voted Haylen
5) Called Kise out on his BOLD-FACED LIE and voted for him and will ultimately get his mafia-or-wolf-ass lynched today

Now, you tell me, if you can since you're so far up Haylen's snatch I'm not sure we can accurately hear you: what about these five votes is so 'desperate'?

Meanwhile, it's entirely possible that Kise thought he was remembering a conversation he'd had with Reck, when it was really a conversation with someone else. I'd like to hear Kise's side before passing any judgement.

FUCKING REALLY

He has based the ENTIRETY of his assault on me today on the fact that he supposedly KNEW FOR SURE that I knew about the setup beforehand… it was the MOTHERFUCKING CRUX OF HIS CASE… and you're willing to just write it off as 'lol he misremembered'?

As for calling me fucking retarded, I'd like you to take a deep breath, then take another look at the post from Haylen you have issues with.

No, I only take deep breaths for players who deserve it, and you sure as hell do not.

What's more likely, that Haylen accidentally put a ton of scummy things all in to one introductory post, or that she purposely put a ton of scummy things into one introductory post as a bit of humor?

Let me ask YOU something since you seem so keen on white knight'ing Haylen until she lets you into her pants or something: what the FUCK is the pro-town benefit of purposely putting scummy things into your post? If she did it on purpose (which I still doubt), then what she did was BLATANTLY ANTI-TOWN and thus A SCUMMY ACTION.

I honestly don't know how you can take it so seriously.

I would say I don't know how you can take it so passively…but…see aforementioned 'head up Haylen's snatch etc' comment.

Are you really that desperate for a lynch?

THIS QUESTION
THIS QUESTION RIGHT HERE
A TRUE TOWNIE WOULD NEVER ASK A QUESTION LIKE THIS

MOTHERFUCKERS, I DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO ME, BUT SOMETHING HAS BEEN REIGNITED AND I'M READY TO PLAY SOME GODDAMN MAFIA FOR REAL FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ABOUT SIX MONTHS

THANK YOU KISE, FOR LYING DIRECTLY TO THE ENTIRE GAME AND SETTING ME OFF
THANK YOU SILAVOR/HAYLEN, FOR BEING SO OBNOXIOUSLY STUPID AND SCUMMY THAT I HAVE TO GET AGGRESSIVE

THANK YOU
THANK YOU

LET'S GET THIS MOTHERFUCKING TRAIN ROLLING

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[10]

Don’t quote any PMs from me or other players. If you do, I will cast Summon Nature's Modkill V on you.

Also, if you have anything sneaky or dicey such as screenshots, cryptography etc, please PM me and check.

I just took the screenshot. Uploading it now to send to the mod and ask if this is okay.

Nice. Look forward to seeing it.

Can you do me a favor and claim your lover?

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Okay then. Theory aborted.

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You snap on to ICE right away in RVS, single-mindedly focusing on him because he suggested massclaiming, an idea everyone was behind for obvious reasons.

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG
1) My vote wasn't RVS, as I stated.
2) GreyICE suggested massclaim in post 6. Snake voted ICE in post 7 and said that was scummy. Espeonage posted in 8 & 9 and ignored the issue. Post 10 was GreyICE reenforcing the massclaim idea, and Post 11 was my vote on him. EVERYONE WAS NOT BEHIND THE IDEA. ONLY TWO OTHER PEOPLE HAD POSTED BESIDES ME AND ICE AT THE TIME, AND THE ONLY ONE OF THEM WHO COMMENTED ON THE MATTER SAID HE WAS AGAINST IT.

Then you snap on to Thingy for using terminology from another site, which I thought was kind of obviously not scummy, given he uses the same terminology in the sign-up thread, but whatever, you dropped the case real quick.

If it's a "but whatever" thing then why are you even attempting to use it against me.

Still don't get why you voted Emp, as your vote for Emp looks like a joke post, but since you're incapable of seeing other people's joke posts, I can't comprehend the idea of you making a joke post of your own. It just doesn't seem possible.

Haylen's joke post wasn't obviously a joke, you twat. Mine was. I even said MINDLESS SHEEPING LOL in the post. And tell me how my inability to read someone else's joke post at all relates to my ability to post a joke post. LOGIC NOT FOUND. SCUMPOINTS RISING RAPIDLY.

Then, of course, you leap straight off Haylen and on to Kise for what could very well be a total misunderstanding.

OH MY GOD IT'S LIKE DRMYSHOTTYIZSIK GAINED A VOCABULARY BUT RETAINED HIS IQ
Read what I fucking said above about Kise. His entire goddamn case on me is built on this strong idea that he knew, BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, that I

knew

the setup. That's a pretty DAMN STRONG PIECE OF EVIDENCE to be 'misremembering'. It's not even a misunderstanding - WE NEVER SPOKE ABOUT THE GAME PERIOD.

The point is, every one of your cases so far is based on a single piece of misinterpreted garbage, with the exception of Emp where you were just bandwagoning. I see nothing town about any of that.

Listen,

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.
Nothing about my case on Kise is about a misinterpretation. It's based on a bold-faced lie, so you can drop that one.
My vote on ICE was a misunderstanding.
And my vote on Haylen? I'm still holding to it, so you can just drop that charade too, because even if you believe she was 100% joking, I don't think the intent is there.

You have based the ENTIRETY of your assault on GreyICE the first day on the fact that you supposedly KNEW FOR SURE that GreyICE knew there would be nightkills… it was the MOTHERFUCKING CRUX OF YOUR CASE… and you want us to be willing to just write it off as 'lol i misremembered'?

No. I based my assault on GreyICE off the NORMAL MO FOR MAFIA GAMES which is that MAFIA HAVE NIGHTKILLS. I didn't say I misremembered - I never knew there weren't nightkills in this game. That is a completely different scenario, and if you misrep me again so help me god I'm going to lose the last bit of civility I'm trying to maintain to refrain from getting modkilled.

...Or she wanted to make a humorous entrance, so she makes an obvscum joke post that's obviously a joke? No one else is taking it seriously, in fact two other players commented on how funny it was, proving that other people realized her intro post for what it was; a humorous joke.
And since you're going to insist upon it, sources:

It wasn't fucking humorous. If she was going to try and be blatantly fucking humorous, then why the FUCK did she bother to give TOWN, NEUTRAL, AND SCUM READS ON PLAYERS? You don't fucking do that if it's funny. The claim was the only obvious joke part of that post, and it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REST OF HER POST.

lolwut? Please explain.

You are taking my attempts to scumhunt and launch assaults against players I find scummy… and instead of viewing them in that light, DELIBERATELY trying to show them as "Why are you so desperate for a lynch?"
That question is so many levels of mind bogglingly retarded and idiotic that I can't even begin to respond to it.

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It was a vote at the beginning of the game, and RVS continued for quite a few pages after. Terribly sorry for not taking you on your word that it was legitimate scumhunting, without even a drop of RVS.

Okay, good, at least you admit you're wrong.

Also, you really need to take a closer look at the start of the game. Snake's issue was ICE suggesting without actually suggesting, not the fact that ICE suggested a massclaim. And after your vote, on the next page, there still isn't anyone against a mass loverclaim except you, until Purple Orange has a momentary lapse in recollection.

Yes, because I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WERE NO NIGHTKILLS WHY THE FUCK ARE WE STILL HARPING ON THIS FFS

One of you is lying, and unlike you I'm not totally convinced you're the innocent one. Screaming at me isn't going to help.

No, but once you're lynched, it'll be totally cathartic for me to remove another

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from the game.

Listing town, neutral and scum reads = making a suspicion list, just like what those other two guys did earlier. Notice how everyone jumped on them for making lists, and how they were all saying how scummy it is to make lists? It's almost as if Haylen was putting obvscummy things in to her intro post to be humorous. OH WAIT!

No. Just, no. You don't make lists. You don't give REASONS FOR SOMEONE BEING SCUMMY if it's a joke.

Oh don't get me wrong, I've looked at your cases with impartial bias (well, except for Haylen's, because I already know she's town). Then I found you scummy for making them in the first place. Obviously I'm trying to show them as "why are you so desperate for a lynch," because being "desperate for a lynch" is synonymous with "being scum." I'm not quite sure why you find scumhunting "mind bogglingly retarded and idiotic," but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Listen, you

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, you're not scumhunting when you ask me a question that is FOUNDED IN A BIASED, IMPARTIAL STATEMENT. Asking me why I'm desperate for a lynch MAKES THE BASE ASSUMPTION that I'm desperate for a lynch. You weren't asking that from an unbiased standpoint to try and scumhunt - you were asking that SO THAT YOU COULD PUT THE THOUGHT IN PEOPLE'S HEADS THAT I'M DESPERATE FOR A LYNCH. TOWNIES DON'T DO THAT.
If you were actually interested in scumhunting, you wouldn't be trying to so slyly state my "desperation" as fact. When, GUESS WHAT, I guarantee you most of the people here wouldn't agree with your fucking bullshit analysis.

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Not up to date, but I see we're lover claiming

My lover is... Werewolf.

;_;
Babe, make him go awaaaaaaaaaaaay.
Without lynching me if possible.

oh my fucking god
werewolf is your partner

Okay so we just pretend like werewolf isn't playing and move ahead
Please move your vote to Kise

Also, are you town?

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*PARTIAL

You got the fucking idea you blithering fool.

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Request replacement

I'm not playing with someone who can't keep personal issues out of a game and acts like a total cock. Maybe this'll get you some brownie points with your little friends, Reck.

OH NO GUYS I SCARED OFF HAYLEN
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWR
/notphased
/stillwantstolynchscum
/haylenignoredmywholecaseandnarroweditdowntoapersonalissue

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SPOILER ALERT
SensFan is not going to forcereplace me.

BTW, Sens replied to my PM and said he'd need time to think about me posting the screenshot and would let me know tonight.

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1) My case was 100% not based on personal issues. And your insistence upon that fact is somewhere between 'BOO HOO POOR ME' and 'WATCH ME MISDIRECT'.
2) You only play games with people you respect? Well if it all takes is some hostility against you to make you stop playing, you must not play many games anymore.
3) I can honestly say it has not phased me to lose your respect. I don't even care about whatever shit went down in GD a long time ago between you and scumchat, I still don't even know that full story, so whatever.

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HOLY SHIT BUZZKILL.

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Right-o.

Well then, go back and read everything I said, and bleep out all the curse words and replace the insults with warm-and-fuzzies. Same point still gets across.

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Shut up werewolf. Just make your avoid-the-prod posts and let the grownups play mafia.

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HEY EVERYONE. MOD DENIED FIRST SCREENSHOT I SENT IN, THEN OKAYED THIS ONE. SO HERE WE GO.

SEE. THE EXACT CONVOS I SAID WERE THERE. ILL SCREENCAP EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY IF I HAVE TO.

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What the hell? First you nearly get us lynced and then you nearly get us modkilled? You are the worst lover EVAH!!!!

I apologize for Recks Douche behavior.

You can go back to lurking and ride my coattails while I win this for town.

Shut up werewolf. Just make your avoid-the-prod posts and let the grownups play mafia.

don't be so butthurt and stop trolling

Butthurt about what exactly?
No seriously, you're an idiot and very, very bad at this game, I don't know why you continue to sign up.

I need to investigate the authenticity of this myself. Reck, why didn't you call me out on this the first time I accused you of feigning ignorance?
Here: viewtopic.php?p=2768860#p2768860

Because at the time you weren't claiming to have some kind of bullshit NON-EXISTENT IM conversations with me?

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yes, Kise.

That is my AIM, MSN, and Facebook Chat client that hubs all three together. It has my name set as "Will Hare" in the logs because

that's my fucking name

.

IT EVEN SAYS 'WTFXWILL' IN THE FUCKING TOP BAR OF THE LOGS.

TO: RIKO172
FROM: WTFXWILL

Man you're totally stretching now.

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Just got the okay from the mod to post the full logs from all four chats. Those are now incoming.

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Nov 21

12:04:31 AM Riko172: won my return match.... feels good
Changed status to Offline (12:06:31 AM)
Changed status to Online (12:17:41 AM)

Jan 20

9:52:24 PM Riko172: post in the large game thread that scum won so kinect will let me do signups
9:57:59 PM Will Hare: what?
9:59:27 PM Riko172: im next on the queue
9:59:31 PM Will Hare: okay..
9:59:43 PM Riko172: ocarina of time ended... so mods usually post "hey the game's over, next!"
9:59:47 PM Will Hare: how does my game being done sync up with you starting you game
9:59:50 PM Will Hare: no
9:59:51 PM Riko172: >
9:59:57 PM Will Hare: large games don't work like that
10:00:18 PM Riko172: so why are people posting when their games finish?
10:00:36 PM Will Hare: just to make it "official"
10:01:35 PM Riko172: alright. you still in?
10:01:53 PM Will Hare: yup
10:02:06 PM Will Hare: dram is too
10:02:12 PM Riko172: reckamonic?
10:02:16 PM Will Hare: Umm.
10:02:18 PM Will Hare: Ask him.
10:03:13 PM Riko172: ive noticed a lot of the old crew havent made any posts since square iii
10:03:26 PM Riko172: im gonna do a mass PM and whoever /ins is in
10:04:19 PM Will Hare: where have you been.
10:04:25 PM Will Hare: you were supposed to come visit me/dom
10:05:28 PM Riko172: working for the most part, but that 4 day week i had off, i was writing an RP... lost the match but i never flake as my main char
10:07:58 PM Riko172: i got my passport this time so im ready for goofbash
10:08:07 PM Riko172: you take any pics?
10:08:20 PM Will Hare: not really, no
10:08:28 PM Will Hare: me/dom/brock hung out the whole time
10:08:30 PM Will Hare: pretty chill
10:08:35 PM Will Hare: he's coming back down here in march & may i think
10:08:40 PM Will Hare: so you can swing by during one of those trips
10:09:08 PM Riko172: whats brock like?
10:09:19 PM Riko172: does he have eyes?
10:09:22 PM Will Hare: >_>
10:09:24 PM Will Hare: yes, yes he does.
10:09:28 PM Riko172: *rimshot*
10:09:35 PM Will Hare: He's really outgoing… but really nerdy once you get to know him.
10:09:46 PM Will Hare: On the surface, though, he's like… Mr. Life-of-the-Party.
10:10:04 PM Riko172: good company
10:10:11 PM Riko172: ..... you didnt get my reference did you?
10:10:11 PM Will Hare: indeed
10:10:13 PM Will Hare: No.
10:10:18 PM Will Hare: No, I did not.
10:10:34 PM Riko172: http://download-pokemon-episodes.edogo. ... /brock.gif
10:12:02 PM Riko172: ...
10:12:18 PM Riko172: ...........
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DAMN
10:12:20 PM Will Hare: hahahahahaha
10:12:44 PM Riko172: how can you not not know pokemon characters???
10:12:51 PM Will Hare: I do
10:12:57 PM Will Hare: I've made 100000 Pokemon jokes.
10:13:19 PM Riko172: we gotta get that mudkip smiley into MS
10:13:26 PM Riko172: so cash, bro
10:13:32 PM Will Hare: hahahaha
10:14:43 PM Riko172: I came up with the best pizza combination of olives, feta cheese, capers and jalapenos... unfortunately its too spicy and im still hungry so now i have to fix something else
10:14:49 PM Riko172: be back later
Changed status to Offline (10:15:07 PM)
You have disconnected (11:55:31 PM)
You have connected (11:56:21 PM)

Jan 21

6:18:19 AM Riko172: lmao... [redacted - ongoing game]
12:51:49 PM Will Hare: i hate you

Jan 26

1:22:15 AM Riko172: are you aware the game started?
1:22:24 AM Will Hare: no.
1:22:26 AM Will Hare: >_>
1:22:28 AM Riko172: lulz
1:22:29 AM Will Hare: thanks for the PM
1:22:32 AM Will Hare: i didnt even get a role PM.
1:22:36 AM Riko172: dram opened it on the reckamonic account
1:22:40 AM Riko172: check your inbox
1:23:03 AM Will Hare: im yelling at him right now
1:23:05 AM Riko172: lol
1:23:09 AM Riko172: where is he?
1:23:17 AM Will Hare: playing WoW with me and brock
1:23:55 AM Riko172: oh yeah, /pre-in me for the WoW game por favor senor
1:24:05 AM Will Hare: no prob
1:24:09 AM Will Hare: post it in the oot thread
1:24:18 AM Riko172: k
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[xRECKONERx]

This entire arguement is bullshit and has absolutly jack to do with this game...


VOTE: Reck

before I seriously call you Fate.

HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU
SERIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO HAVE BRAIN DAMAGE AT THIS POINT

[xRECKONERx]

or are you seriously arguing that these out of game trifles HONESTLY has to do with Kise being scum?

KISE'S ENTIRE FUCKING CASE ON ME IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT I SUPPOSEDLY TOLD HIM, IN AN OUT OF GAME CONVERSATION, THAT I KNEW ABOUT THERE NOT BEING SCUMKILLS.

That conversation never happened. Therefore, Kise is lying in order to cast suspicion on me.

[xRECKONERx]

Nov 21

12:04:31 AM Riko172: won my return match.... feels good
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Changed status to Online (12:17:41 AM)

YOU ASSHOLE, WHY DIDNT YOU RESPOND BACK TO ME?
AND OKAY WHERE THE FUCK IS THAT CONVO ABOUT MULTIBALL........

UNVOTE

So who's ready for the Superbowl?

I probably wasn't at the computer.

Now please sit and wait for your imminent demise.

[xRECKONERx]

@ sensfan post: why my vote stays.

Oh no, I'm being grating and offensive, that's obviously a reason to vote me when we've caught a liar WITH ACTUAL UNDENIABLE PROOF.

[xRECKONERx]

I swear to god Nero, don't you dare give him an out like that.

KISE WHY THE FUCK DID YOU REPEAT THE SAME QUESTION
I ALREADY ANSWERED IT
LEARN TO READ THE DAMN THREAD

[xRECKONERx]

You didn't answer it. You said that SensFan, FTR, wanted you to join the game. What I'm asking you is why didn't you bring down the lightning and thunder the first time I threw a FOS your way and said I KNEW you were feigning ignorance?

You didn't say HOW you knew. And since this conversation never happened, why the fuck would I assume I needed to prove that we never had a conversation about this?

[xRECKONERx]

Nah forget that. I said I knew you read role PMs during signups and you brushed it off, the fuck?

feigning ignorance when I KNOW you read the role PMs during signups. I like how you disappeared for 3 hours to let everyone soak it in and give you cheap town points. I'm not lynching you on the first day, but I've got you pegged.

Because that, to me, sounds like "I'm CONVINCED you read your role PM" not "I KNOW you read your role PM (based off other information)".

[xRECKONERx]

Because I

never read the rules or setup or anything

. I mentioned Sens because my involvement in this game was "Hey Reck signup" "Ok Sure" and then "Hey Reck here's your role PM" which I read as "Town Lover" then didn't do anything else. What has really happened here is that you tried to forge a bullshit case on me, it fell to pieces, and now you're grasping at straws.

[xRECKONERx]

Espeonage, why don't you go suck your mother's teet.

Tell me what is pro-town at all about making up a circumstance that never existed in order to paint me as scum, have me REFUTE that statement, then have him still attack me as scum DESPITE THE FACT THAT I DESTROYED HIS ENTIRE FOUNDATIONAL ARGUMENT FOR ME BEING SCUM.

[xRECKONERx]

Reckoner:
(…And let me say right now that what you’ve been posting is in no way “good”.)
Haylen, silavor, and Kise have done 3 very different things. Why have you the same over-the-top reaction to all 3?

Uh, what?
Haylen set me off because she was stupid, Kise set me off because he blatantly lied, and silavor set me off because he was defending Haylen's stupidity.

@Reck: Your words still do not match up with the issue at hand. Irregardless of how you became involved in this game, I claimed to have known you read the scum's role PM and you didn't call me out on it back then. The purpose of me saying "KNOW" in all caps was to grab your attention, so there's no excuse to mistake that for me saying I was convinced > knowing you read the scum's role. Another interesting bit:

When I'm convinced I've done something, I use the word "know". As in, "I KNOW I put my keys on the rack, where the hell did they go?" or "I KNOW I had my phone before I walked out the door, did I drop it?" You're getting into an argument about semantics now, and it's tedious and ultimately pointless. Assuming you're correct in your line of questioning for a moment, what would be advantageous about me to not go off on you earlier if I had known that's what you were talking about?

You didn't come swinging out of the woodworks until I specifically mentioned AIM. If you claim that you knew nothing about the game at all, then should it have mattered HOW I knew? You should have been going ape shit the moment I said something about your knowledge with this setup, but there wasn't even a follow up or curiosity from you as to where I was drawing my accusations from.

See above. Also, see Purple's response.

Do I have to read anything in the last pages?
I just see Kise and Reck fighting and Reck being right.


Can we actually do stuff instead of being stupid and accusing each other of lies?

Be my guest, since you've been completely useless the entire game.

I think Reck needs some more lovin or something. He's way too stressed.

I'm not sure I believe Kise blatantly lied. I've I had conversations with someone and thought it was with someone else.

A-ha… but Nero Cain also denies having a conversation with Kise about the setup ever, and we haven't heard from dramonic on the issue yet… but Kise himself said that the only people he ever talks to from mafiascum are me, dram, and Nero. If the three of us deny ever having had that conversation, then that means KISE DID NOT HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

I actually kinda HOPED Nero would be like "Oh yeah, that was me" because then I'd be able to resolve all of this in my head. But what it looks like now is that Kise tried to make up evidence to support his theory that I purposely slipped about the nightkill thing, didn't realize I would be allowed by the mod to show concrete proof that his 'evidence' is bullshit, then went to latch onto Nero…who also was like "Nah dude, not me". Dram also didn't mention anything, so at this point, either someone else in the game needs to pipe up and be like, "Oh yeah, Kise talked to ME about the game" or else Kise completely fabricated this conversation, which certainly falls under lynch all liars.

1. I don't see scum making up a fake AIM conversation to enhance their case. Kise didn't even leave himself the back door of 'well it could've been some other guy', he said he only chats with three people.

2. Nero Cain is Reck's lover, and one of the people Kise said he could've chatted with. With a QT, it would be pretty easy for the two of them to play on a mistake made by Kise.

3. The way I see it, if Kise flips town, it doesn't really mean Reck is scum, and he could talk his way out of a lynch. But if Reck is town, Kise is almost definitely scum.

1. There was no way for him to know that I would be allowed to post my entire AIM logs with him in order to clear myself.

2. That… well, that's blind speculation and quite a stretch, so there's not really a way for me to defend against that.

3. It's very hard to match alignments of other people to flips because of the fact that

THERE ARE TWO MOTHERFUCKING SCUMTEAMS IN THIS GAME

.

Finally, I feel the same way as Haylen regarding Reck's play in this game. If she replaces out due to him, I will as well.

Ah yes. Another one who won't be missed.

@Reck: Baby, calm the fuck down please.

Only because you asked.

May I ask how the AIM chats are even relevant?

I don't think anyone remembers anymore.

Man, you're really not paying attention, are you?

Because it apparently incriminates Kise under LaL.

SNIPED BY NERO: Interesting catch on Umbrage. I want to see what Kise has to say about your response to him.

[xRECKONERx]

Are you shitting me, Kcda? I'm not the one who blew it out of proportion in the first place.

[xRECKONERx]

Okay. I'm going to take a step back from the game and clear my mind, then try to look at this from the "What if Kise is genuinely mistaken?" perspective.

[xRECKONERx]

Okay. I took a day or so to calm down a bit and look at things from Kise's perspective. While he's still lying/misinformed about that conversation, I do not think he is scum. It's as many have pointed out: why would scum lie when they know they could be proven wrong, then cut off their only backdoor? Kise, I would like you to eventually figure out who that conversation was with, just for my own personal sanity, but I'm willing to let it go for now.

@Reckon: Why post chat logs when they have no meaning...Do they? (Oops, Haylen got's this!)

Let me put it this way: the mod himself has told you that your reactions are inappropriate. That ought to be a big clue.

Let me put it this way: the mod contacted me in private and said the only thing he really had a problem with was the personal attacks on Haylen. All the cursing/over the top-ness besides that he was a-okay with… so how about you shut the fuck up and stop crying over my playstyle.

I still think Kise is gambiting scum.

And what is his gambit, exactly?

I. WAS. IN. BED. WITH. A. FEVER. OVER. A. HUNDRED. DEGREES.

Hey, so was I, and I was still participating.

I've given my reasons for believing Kise over Reck. I suppose I would switch to Kise if need be, it's got to be one of them after all, but I still think a Reck lynch is better.

No… no, it doesn't. And even if it did have to be one of us, your reasons for voting me over Kise are, quite frankly, bullshit. So you're either really bad at being town or really bad at being mafia, I just can't figure out which.

I am feeling reasonably certain I located scum here.

I could dig it. OMGUS, of course.

Scum

Baby Spice & Kcdaspot
Dramonic & werewolf555
Llamarble & DarlaBlueEyes

Remove dramonic & werewolf from that list. Dram is actually playing pretty damn pro-town compared to his usual D1 meta, and werewolf is just fucking awful at this game, so ignore him. Also, I can read dram better than anyone else on this site, and my dram-dar is telling me he's town.

[xRECKONERx]

Umbrage, none of your reasons for me are concrete in any way. You're completely just saying you'd believe Kise over me, despite the fact that I've shown evidence that if either of us is lying, it's him.

[xRECKONERx]

Why am I the better lynch?

[xRECKONERx]

Unvote, Vote Reck

Please tell me your vote on me is not based on the fact that my AIM client has a delete button and I could have possibly, potentially deleted that conversation. There is no evidence for that. Please, give me some real reasons here. This doesn't qualify:

Given how sure Kise was, how foolish he would have been to invent such a conversation as scum, and how he cut down his retreat by himself I believe kise here.

How about how sure I was that the conversation never happened?
How about the fact that Kise has now changed his opinion from "it was with Reck" to "it was with

someone

"?
How about the fact that I even said I was willing to give Kise the benefit of the doubt? In retrospect now, that whole exchange screams town on town.

Since I know that me and Reck are town and I don't necessarily believe that Kise is lying as in in perhaps had this conversation not on aim and not with me and Reck then the whole "ONE OF THEM HAS TO BE LYING!!!!" is potentially setting up 2 mislynches.

Q21 makes my head hurt. Most programs have a delete button. Just 'cause its there doesn't mean he deleted anything.

Goodposting. Basically summarized everything I'm trying to say in a much clearer manner. I think I'll follow my lover's lead here and

Unvote; Vote: q21

for attempting to use flimsy, shady, craplogic (if you can even qualify it as logic) in order to try and incriminate me, as well as for perpetuating the belief that it has to be one or the other.

[xRECKONERx]

The 'delete button' argument is ultimately empty and will get us nowhere. It's not like I tried to crop the screenshot in such a way that you couldn't see the delete button or something. It's there. There's no evidence for if I used it or not (I didn't, so you have my word, but that's only worth as much credit as you'll give it). q21 attempting to use that as his basis for a vote on me is completely ridiculous.

[xRECKONERx]

1. As initiator of the conflict I'm more willing to take Kise sureness over yours.
2. Because being ranted at and having falseproof waved in your face will do that to you. Same way innocent people will confess under torture.
3. You realised you weren't getting the easy mislynch you wanted.

This is completely ridiculous. You are REFUSING to admit that Kise COULD HAVE JUST BEEN FUCKING MISTAKEN. No... instead, it makes MUCH MORE SENSE to you that I would go through the trouble of saying that we didn't have that conversation, delete it from my logs, contact the mod in order to get the okay to post a screenshot, post the entirety of my logs in text form, and do everything that I've done so far just to get Kise mislynched.

PS, plenty of people were voting Kise, if I wanted a lynch on him I could've stuck with it and gathered the support. Your entire reasoning behind voting me comes down to "Kise brought it up first, so I'm going to believe that he was right."

WHEN THE GUY WHO STARTED THE ARGUMENT HIMSELF ADMITS THAT HE WAS MISTAKEN YOU SHOULD PROBABLY FUCKING LISTEN

[xRECKONERx]

For the record: Kise is accusing you of admitting you are scum over a IM? or the other way around?

I'm going to have to use the "Are you fucking stupid?" face again.


No, that is not AT ALL what the argument is about… let me break it down for you:

1. I voted for GreyICE for pushing for a massclaim, because I thought scum could use a mass loverclaim to their advantage at night.
2. Someone informed me that this game was nightless, which caused me to retract my statement.
3. Kise came in and claimed that he had a conversation with me over AIM where I showed knowledge about the nightless setup, which would mean I blatantly lied about not knowing in order to gain town points.
4. Since that conversation never happened, I posted screenshots and full logs of all my conversations with Kise, none of which contained the alleged conversation about the setup.
5. Upon seeing the logs, Kise backpedaled and stated that he had a conversation with

someone

about the game on AIM, but it might not have been me.
6. I eventually gave Kise the benefit of the doubt and stopped my assault on him for being a direct liar. He could have just mistakenly remembered a conversation or something. In either case, it doesn't make sense for Kise-scum to make up an entire conversation I had with him when I could just prove it wrong.

[xRECKONERx]

Oh my god. Wait a second.

In short you over-pursued something that is a trifle. If the convo you say took place, took place it would mean Kise's possible ejection from the game.

You think I'm the one stating that a conversation took place? No, holy shit, can you fucking read!? The ENTIRE debacle is because KISE said that we had a conversation, and I was the one saying we never did.

Holy shit.
Is it just me, or did Kcdaspot just out himself as someone who was just trying to sheep onto a wagon using regurgitated logic, but he misunderstood the case and therefore outed himself in the process?

[xRECKONERx]

Isoing Kcdaspot for the game. One moment please.

[xRECKONERx]

Confirmation post, then a I need to catchup post. Nothing unusual there. Stalls on issue of lover-claiming, confers with lover (Baby Spice), then claims. Bunch of useless fluff ("Haylen seems suicidal", "Reck is acting like Fate", etc.)

Ah yes, here we are. His first mention of the me vs. Kise thing is here:

This entire arguement is bullshit and has absolutly jack to do with this game...


VOTE: Reck

before I seriously call you Fate.

At this point, I had

just

posted the logs. And his response is to vote me. Furthermore, he claims "the entire argument" (which suggests he understands the argument) is bullshit. This post also insinuates that he is voting for me because he doesn't agree with my argument. Then, after SensFan posts a modwarning about using language, Kcdaspot posts THIS:

@ sensfan post: why my vote stays.

Now, he is not voting me because he disagrees with my argument, he's voting me because I'm being aggressive and vulgar. However, when questioned on his vote on me, he responds with this:

Read Kise's ISO.

I'm convinced of my vote. Reck seems to want to blow it WAY out of proportion. As far as I'm concerned, scummy thing happen IN thread rather out of thread.

Reck is over-perusing baseless and harmless nothings.

That's that.

Now, he's back to voting me because I'm "blowing it out of proportion". However, he still hasn't said what it is that's being blown out of proportion, and in his last post he said he was voting me because I was abrasive, not because I was blowing something out of proportion. He then later says:

Reck is the better lynch.

All in all, he's blindly bandwagoned me and has been able to fly under the radar for the most part, trying to repeat the same arguments others have used against me, except he completely misread the arguments and outed himself. Not to mention, he's flip-flopped multiple times on the reason WHY he's voting me. IMO, he's scum who saw an easy mislynch and tried to jump on board, but didn't realize he was jumping on board the WRONG person, and he's now been caught.

Unvote; Vote: Kcdaspot

[xRECKONERx]

...that is really a bad reaction to a bandwagon, you know. It just makes me all the more sure you ARE scum and have no good argument to refute the various points being brought against you. And seriously, nobody cares about your whining over how hard it is to get a word in. Man up and just say what you want to say.

More votes on Kcda guys. Lynch this scum.

I like you.
Carry mine/dram's children for us.

[xRECKONERx]

We've found scum.

[xRECKONERx]

What bothers me about Umbrage is that her reaction to all of this makes me think 'town'.

[xRECKONERx]

^^Scum.

Y'know, I was thinking the same thing.

[xRECKONERx]

q21 is the best player in this game. He's the only one who isn't blatantly bandwagoning.

LOL

[xRECKONERx]

Also, why would an innocent Kise lie about that conversation? Given what he’s said, how could Kise be “misinformed” or “mistaken”?
He hasn’t ever said he didn’t have a conversation. All he did was (in response to evidence that seemed ironclad at the time but we’ve since learned could have been very easily doctored) maintain that he definitely had a conversation, and that it had to be with one of {dramonic, Nero, Reckoner}.

HOW could he be misinformed or mistaken? HOW!? ARE YOU REALLY ASKING ME HOW? Oh my god you are so fucking retarded.

At first, his entire case and HARDCORE PUSHING ME FOR A LYNCH was based on the fact that he said he had hardcore proof that I was lying. When I refuted that, it became "oh well it was with someone else". Now please stop harping on this, not only are you fucking retarded for doing so, but it's not helping town at all. You're repeating things billions of other people have said, and I've responded to it already, so learn to read and stop harping on old, outdated shit.

(And for someone who is so allegedly easily “set off”, you seem awfully willing to trot out the “it’s my playstyle, live with it” when it’s you. And don’t try to tell me that the mod’s okay with you when I see the modedits throughout your posts. And the mod’s not the only one.)

What the fuck is this even about? Shut the fuck up. I had a private conversation with the mod where he SAID "I have an aggressive playstyle too" and basically just told me he only had a problem with the Haylen insults.

Also, why specifically do you read dramonic as innocent?

I can read dram better than anyone else here. And he's playing pro-town, by at least trying and not lurking… and I know you might think he's lurking, but LOOK AT HIS OTHER GAMES. This is called dram giving an effort.

PO, are you known for being a good scum? Do you make long and thoughtful posts in all of your games?

Wat.

[xRECKONERx]

Not responding to EmpTyger anymore.

[xRECKONERx]

Reck's 180 on the Kise issue troubles me. I don't see how it makes sense to suddenly decide Kise must've mixed up the conversations. That would be the first explanation to come to my mind. Now though, he's voting Kcdaspot basically for just bringing the issue up again.

Look at it from my perspective: Kise went on an assault on me, based on false pretense. I immediately assumed it was a malicious lie, and I did everything I could to defend myself. After agreeing to take a step back from the game and calm down a bit, I could see that it perhaps wasn't as malicious as I thought originally.

PS, I'm not voting Kcda for bringing it up again, I'm voting him for pretending to know what was going on and parroting other people's opinions on the me vs. Kise thing...without ever actually reading me vs. Kise.

[xRECKONERx]

The q21 case makes my dick hard.

Unvote; Vote: q21

[xRECKONERx]

Reck apparently forms cases on whoever says something negative to him at a bad time. He then proceeds to tunnel that player, and forms points on that player about posts that were made earlier, and which should have been pointed out then, if he was really concerned with scumhunting. This shows that he is not concerned with scumhunting, but instead with digging up dirt to throw onto his latest wagon target. Once the wagon runs it's course, he does not stick with it any longer.

It is my opinion that Reck is bullshitting. Instead of genuinely trying to find who is acting from a scum perspective, he waits for a player to slip up, then pounces on them. This appears to be his default playstyle, and it is bullshit. His focus is not on the player, it is on the wagon.

lolwut
Attacking someone who slipped who I find genuinely scummy is how I play.
I rarely pay attention to posts that don't mention me/aren't directed at me, of course I'm going to wind up attacking people who attack me more often than others.

[xRECKONERx]

A swing and a miss.

Mariyta, what's the case on Llamarble?

Also, I didn't really agree with any of q21's scum reads, but I could maybe get on board with a Espeonage lynch... but at this point, I'd prefer to go with option #2 and look at the people who tried to stay off the wagon. Statistical analysis says there's at least one scum there:

Kise/PrayPiotr (replaced implosion)
werewolf
Thingyman/EmpTyger
Purple Orange/Espeonage
DarlaBlueEyes/Llamarble

I'm gonna go ahead and say werewolf isn't scum for a number of reasons:
1) He's always this terrible.
2) Drammie is his partner, and his little posting on D1 actually gave me a town vibe, which is hard for dram to do on D1 >_>

This means I would prefer to lynch from this pool:
Thingyman/EmpTyger
Purple Orange/Espeonage
DarlaBlueEyes/Llamarble
Kise/PrayPiotr (replaced implosion)

We had four entire loverteams that weren't on the lynch… I'd give us good odds at hitting scum somewhere in there.

Despite the fact that I think EmpTyger is borderline retarded for continuing to harp on the me/Kise thing, I don't think either he or Thingy have done anything that struck me as incredibly scummy.

Espeonage… I remember thinking one or two times that his posts struck me as odd, but I don't remember where. I do remember thinking I could've potentially gotten on board with the early cases on PO.

I'd like to see the case on Llamarble from Mariyta.

My opinion on Kise is still that the debacle with the AIM conversation wouldn't make sense for scum to do on purpose… but that doesn't clear him in any way, shape, or form. And implosion/PrayPiotr have both been so inactive, it's impossible to gain an actual read on them.

So, as of right now:
Espeonage/PO > Llamarble/DBE = Emp/Thingy > Kise/PP

[xRECKONERx]

By the way - my entire idea is based off of statistical likelihood that 8/13 people on the q21 wagon were not scum, and since everyone except werewolf that was off the wagon also had their lover off the wagon, that means at least 2/9 of them are scum (IMO), and we have a better chance lynching off the wagon than we do on.

Unless my math is just awful.

[xRECKONERx]

...can one of you two summarize Llamarble's scuminess for me?

[xRECKONERx]

I'm on board.

Vote: Llamarble

But DBE makes me laugh

[xRECKONERx]

KCDA START READING THE GODDAMN GAME
I LITERALLY JUST STATED LIKE TWO POSTS AGO THAT HE WAS REPLACING IMPLOSION

I'm about *this* close to just slapping my vote back on KCDA and leaving it there until he gets lynched, because he's fucking terrible.

[xRECKONERx]

Lover List
EmpTyger - Thingyman
GreyICE - Antihero
Llamarble - DarlaBlueEyes
Implosion - Kise
xRECKONERx - Nero Cain
VezokPiraka - SnakePlissken
Maryita - Tragedy
Kcdaspot - Baby Spice
PurpleOrange - Espeonage
Haylen/PrayP(?) - Silvador
Werewolf555 - Dramonic

Because we need this still posted...

also took umbrage/q21 off since they are dead so..

Okay. This is the motherfucking textbook definition of "trying to appear helpful in order to appear town".

Unvote; Vote: Kcdapost

I implore you all to do so as well.

[xRECKONERx]

If you need more reasons, see: my case from yesterday

[xRECKONERx]

NO.

Kcdaspot's play reeks of trying to coast by and get easy town points by 1) regurgitating cases and 2) doing things that appear townie and helpful but actually aren't.

[xRECKONERx]

*shrug*

[xRECKONERx]

STOP FUCKING HARPING ON THE GODDAMN ISSUE YOU

[Removed -

Sens

]

[xRECKONERx]

LISTEN YOU [removed] STOP [removed] HARPING ON THE [removed] ISSUE BEFORE I [remove] MY [removed] UP YOUR [removed] AND MAKE YOU [removed] [removed] IN THE [removed] PROCESS

[xRECKONERx]

How is it protown to drop this without an adequate exlpanation? (And Reckoner's insulting whoever tries to look into the matter still isn't an explanation for what happened.) I'll drop it when Kise or Reckoner or anyone provides me with an explanation for how they could both be innocent. Not before that.

This is fucking hilarious.

[xRECKONERx]

Meta.

This is entirely how dramonic plays, and compared to his USUAL early-game play, he's actual put it a modicum of effort.

[xRECKONERx]

TRUST ME when I say this: I can read dramonic better than anyone else.

I can give you a list of games in a couple of days, but one of them is ongoing and I have to wait for it to finish. I can count 3-4 games where I've successfully pegged dramonic's alignment on Day 1. Given, one of those is where I was scum with him... but I digress.

[xRECKONERx]

A lot of it is based on the fact that dramonic LOVES to bus. When he's scum, he busses. Like clockwork. And he didn't bus D1 to my knowledge.

[xRECKONERx]

So far he seriously voted for Kise (who, IMO, is town) and he seriously voted for Q21, who was town.

I know it sounds strange, but dramonic voting for town D1, while perhaps being poor town play, makes him town.

[xRECKONERx]

More or less. Dramonic likes to play scum the same way that I do. Here's my logic behind it, and it's the same logic I've used to catch dramonic in the past:

1. Ideal play for scum is to appear as townie as possible.
2. The best way to appear townie is to catch scum.
3. When you're scum, you already know who the scum area.
4. Therefore, bussing is the best way to get town credit.

It doesn't make complete sense, I know... but that's more or less how I've caught dramonic before.

[xRECKONERx]

>.>

I don't know if you know this, but dramonic & I are dating in real life. That's where a lot of my ability to read him comes from.

[xRECKONERx]

ok

V/LA until sunday

will catch up then

lol
Dram I'm sorry you got stuck with such an awful lover.
Then again, you're not quite pulling your weight yet either >_>

[xRECKONERx]

Why are we fighting about French?

Dram is setting up a LaL case for late game.

That was the single most paranoid response I've seen to anything in this game.

This is the single biggest "I missed the joke" response I've seen to anything in this game.

[xRECKONERx]

When did that change?

[xRECKONERx]

No, I meant, point to a post where you showed your change in opinion.

[xRECKONERx]

God dammit, vezok's town.

[xRECKONERx]

God dammit, vezok's town.

Bit late.

wut

[xRECKONERx]

Hey, there goes EmpTyger, twisting things around!

Listen, the amount of misrepping you just did is PAINFULLY awful. CLEARLY dramonic wasn't saying agreeing with me is scummy, CLEARLY he was saying that Silavor flip flopping is scummy.

Wow, that was just... ten levels of awful.

[xRECKONERx]

YOU'RE STILL FUCKING TWISTING IT
MY GOD
ARE YOU PURPOSELY TRYING TO PAINT YOURSELF AS SCUMMY WITH THESE MISREPS?

[xRECKONERx]

It's not the person's opinion of me that he fucking hates, it's the fact that silavor seemingly flip flopped on me. Though, he never did explicitly state suspicion of me, even though he was attacking me quite hard at the start of the game.

[xRECKONERx]

I am dating dramonic IRL.

[xRECKONERx]

no

[xRECKONERx]

/notlurking
/tiredofemptyger'smisreps

[xRECKONERx]

So why isn't Kcdaspot lynched yet?

[xRECKONERx]

So why isn't Kcdaspot lynched yet?

Because I'm going to friggin just start screaming at y'all if the two scummiest couples in the game are town, and I don't want to actually start my inverse miller rant.

You real sure he's scum? Because there have just been no signs of help. If he is, his partners are bussing like mad.

His scumbuddies could just be inactive. If they see town passively wagoning him, they're not gonna risk another set of lovers in order to stop the lynch.

[xRECKONERx]

Huh. I guess I did say Reck was scummy. Definitely don't remember that.

Anyway, as for the whole "could be a misunderstanding" -> "one of you is lying" -> "it's probably just a misunderstanding" thing, Reck was the one continuously saying kise was lying, and so at that point either kise was lying or reck was lying about kise lying. Either way, at that point one of them was lying, because they had both taken firm stances against each other. Then kise comes in and says "lolwait it might've not been reck I talked to at all, lulz sorry" and everyone drops it because it was a waste of time trying to figure out what possible scum benefit either could gain by trying to pull this off.

The hell is this? Reck accused Kise of lying so therefore Reck had to be the one lying? IDK but if I'm accused of something my gut reaction is going to be the same.

It looks like a scum tactic from KC so.....

vote:KC

You realize this was silavor and not KC right

[xRECKONERx]

Holy shit people, either play the game or don't. We're not going to get anywhere with so much lurking/VLAs.

[xRECKONERx]

EBWOP

VOTE: Mariyata

GOD DAMMIT ESPEONAGE

[xRECKONERx]

why is reck acting like Fate?

I took the smiley as at least a bit of agreement with Kcd, was I wrong to do so?

THIS is where your 'evidence' that he agreed with Kcd comes from?

LOL
ELL OH ELL

[xRECKONERx]

He smiled at the comment relating me to Fate.

How that implies he agrees with Kcdaspot on relevant issues, I don't understand.

[xRECKONERx]

I like the Mariyta vote. I actually wrote something down on a sticky note the other day about her, let me see if I can find it.

I still want KCDAspot dead. Coasts through game -> joins wagons in a scum-like fashion -> gets called out -> uses the 'lol my bad not paying attn' excuse -> still gets heat -> attempts to replace out -> heat dies a bit -> rejoins the game again. SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM.

I still don't get the Llamarble case.

[xRECKONERx]

@PO: But lynching werewolf involves lynching drammie

[xRECKONERx]

I'm on board.

Vote: Llamarble

But DBE makes me laugh

This was my vote on Llamarble. It was the only half-decent case presented at the time, but given how things have evolved, I don't think his scumminess hold up against Kcdaspot, and possibly even Mariyta.

[xRECKONERx]

PS, I have a town read on Espeonage, or at least a "not the same scumteam as Mariyta" read.

[xRECKONERx]

PO-
Care to show me where Haylen was scummy, aside from her

joking

intro post?

Didn't I already do that?

[xRECKONERx]

Kcda still needs to be the lynch, FYI.

[xRECKONERx]

ITT Kcdaspot has to get Baby Spice to confirm his cases so he doesn't look even scummier

Town lovers wouldn't do that
Scum lovers, however, would

[xRECKONERx]

Nero Cain/xRECKONERx

LOL

[xRECKONERx]

@ kcda - where is your case? Or did BS veto it?

@ mariyta - do you even attempt consistency?

@ Emp and silavor - I was wrong; there's a decently plausible way for Reck (and Nero) to be telling the truth about the IM stuff, and still be scum.

@ dram - um...yes. That was kind of the point. Scumreads have been hard to come by, and I've started going with process of elimination. Townread beats nullread.

=========

@ everyone else: where the heck ARE you? This is going nowhere fast. Nowhere slowly, either, for that matter. I was hoping we wouldn't need to resort to a damn consensus lynch and flip just to keep things moving, but maybe I was wrong.

Here. Here is what I am OK doing today. (If anyone wants more detailed reasons for any of these I will be happy to give them). What are you all OK doing?

PEOPLE I DO NOT WANT TO LYNCH TODAY
emp/thingy
vezok/misty
grey/anti

PEOPLE I AM FINE LYNCHING TODAY
Kise/PP
llama/darla
dram/werewolf
mariyta/traj
silv/haylen

PEOPLE I DO NOT WANT TO LYNCH BUT CAN RESIGN MYSELF TO LYNCHING SO THIS DARN GAME CAN MOVE FORWARD
kcda/spice
reck/nero

So basically the people you want to lynch are the lurkers? Seriously?

[xRECKONERx]

hey guys, here now. Sort of. Reading all the stuff I've missed, but I have several games to catch up in so I might be slow in getting a response up. I'll reply in order of game deadlines.

DBE PLEASE HURRY UP AND DO SOMETHING SO WE CAN ALL EITHER BE LIKE 'O WOW SHE MAKES A GOOD POINT' OR 'LETS LYNCH HER'

[xRECKONERx]

Isn't deadline plurality lynch?

[xRECKONERx]

I'm lurking now because nothing in this game interests me.

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: kcdaspot

I endorse this product and/or service.

[xRECKONERx]

Oh wait you think I'm scum?

lol you

[xRECKONERx]

Why am I a likely scum pick for you, Baby Spice?

[xRECKONERx]

Antihero is the only thing brightening my day about this game.

Mod, do a mass prod please.

Everyone should get the fuck in here and do exactly what was said. Vote KCDAspot, present a good alternate case, or just claim scum already.

[xRECKONERx]

I wouldn't call that a slip, really.

[xRECKONERx]

SensFan has not provided a mod update for five days now. I will give him and his backup a 48-hour warning; if both fail to respond, I will pull the plug on this game.

While I'm here, GreyICE and xRECKONERx, cool it please.

Oh, shut the fuck up, that shit ended a long time ago.

[xRECKONERx]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I WIN

[xRECKONERx]

Okay so half of one scumteam down. I'd be okay with a Llamarble lynch solely given his placement on the wagon, but... well, basically, I'm out of ideas now. I need to get better reads instead of just tunneling... though I did tunnel on scum so I'm not too upset about it.

lol Baby Spice

[xRECKONERx]

Who is Emptyger's lover?

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: silv

Given his defense of Haylen early on, and his "Oops lol did I call Reck scum?" forgetfulness, he looks absolutely terrible post-flip.

[xRECKONERx]

Mod, how about an updated first post with newly dead and replacements and shit?

[xRECKONERx]

...what?

Reckamonic is both of us, but I'm the one who writes everything. I don't see how that's relevant though.

[xRECKONERx]

HUZZAH! MAN I LOVE THE SMELL OF FRESHLY COOKED SCUM IN THE MORNING

[xRECKONERx]

MOD, REQUESTING FORCE REPLACEMENT ON WEREWOLF

[xRECKONERx]

...no...shit...

[xRECKONERx]

EmpTyger, when did Nero & I stop being one of your top scum picks? That's recent.

[xRECKONERx]

The "don't post, I have a big post coming" transition into "wait, nevermind, the forum ate my post" bullshit makes me even more confident in lynching silavor and his scumlover.

[xRECKONERx]

CAN WE GO CHOO CHOO FULL STEAM AHEAD WITH THE SILAVOR/CHARLIE LYNCH?

GreyICE, I'm gonna be really sad if you turn out to be werewolf-scum.

[xRECKONERx]

I don't like his flip flopping at all. But I don't wanna lynch him.

[xRECKONERx]

That's more of a theory debate IMO.

[xRECKONERx]

Flip flopping wouldn't be scummy had he not been adamant about one of me/Kise being a liar for the past forty pages.

[xRECKONERx]

MOD REQUEST FORCE REPLACE ON WEREWOLF
AGAIN

[xRECKONERx]

Because no NEW arguments have been made and you changed your mind.

[xRECKONERx]

wat.

[xRECKONERx]

Now, we wait two weeks for our mod to show up.

[xRECKONERx]

/doesn't get the Kise vote

[xRECKONERx]

I found Mariyta suspicious before, but I can't remember if I thought she had any ties to the dead mafia team or not. Need to reread to refresh myself.

[xRECKONERx]

Wait and see if the mod will force replace werewolf.

I'm 99.99999% percent sure of my town read on dramonic. If he's going to be this inactive, though, I don't think a lynch is in order... I think a replacement is, sadly. :'(

But going after a lurker instead of trying to scumhunt? Yeah, not very fucking pro-town. Mods deal with inactivity, players deal with scum.

[xRECKONERx]

What? There were more than that on the Sil wagon...

Anyway, GreyICE, I understand your frustration. Dram just asked me what I was doing and I said, "Reading Lovers Mafia", so that's probably why he popped up now. In his defense, he

has

been working a shit-ton, and when he's not working he's in class, and when he's not doing either of those he's been working on WoW mafia with me (trying to get our game up and running) or sleeping. Or, actually playing WoW with me. So it's not like he's posting in other game or elsewhere on the site and ignoring this one.

I'd like to give him a chance to catchup, but I'd also like to ask him that if he can't commit to the game, to politely request replacement since it's really not fair for me to ask people to believe my read on him on just a hope and a prayer.

[xRECKONERx]

Our mod is barely here, isn't he still looking for other replacements, too?

[xRECKONERx]

Because most of those things you listed aren't that bad.

Post 2: No one else standing out =/= scum.
Post 4: He voted for q21 mostly because he trusted my reads, if I had to guess.
Post 5: You saying AtE is a nulltell doesn't make it a nulltell.
Post 6: So he can't express suspicion of other players when his vote is on someone else? Huh. News to me.
Post 7: Why mention this if you don't have a problem with it?
Post 8: Well if Espy/PO or Mari/Tragedy flip werewolf, we can talk then. Otherwise, as scum who is barely paying attention, he would have had no reason not to pick a side and go with it.

[xRECKONERx]

Oh, and before anyone gives me shit for adamantly defending dramonic, I invite you all to read Day 1 of this game.

TL;DR- Everyone joined a wagon on dramonic which I called bullshit from the start, and I defended him

violently

(as far as threatening to get myself modkilled if the lynch went through), and he flipped town. I then went on (with Glork) to dismantle the rest of the scumteam.

[xRECKONERx]

In fact, Kise modded it, so he can confirm what I'm saying if you don't feel like reading.

[xRECKONERx]

He was just as passive and inactive and "go-with-the-flow" in that game. The only difference is there he was centered on one person, whereas here he hasn't bothered to give a shit.

When signups began for this game, I literally just IMed him with a link and said "/in. Now."

Probably my fault for getting him involved in something he didn't really care about, but oh well.
He actually doesn't really play much mafia anymore, outside of games I make him play, or games on our hydra, or games I mod.

[xRECKONERx]

Still waiting to hear how this doesn't describe what *you* did. What was "new" when you changed your mind?

Uh, what exactly are you referencing here?

Also... holy shit how did I not catch the "damn werewolves" slip. Awesome.

Vote: Tragedy

[xRECKONERx]

I don't know. The "damn werewolves" thing seemed kinda slippish.

*sigh*

[xRECKONERx]

Meh, fine.

The lack of scum nightkills gives us a little more leeway.

Vote: vezokpiraka

[xRECKONERx]

How so?

[xRECKONERx]

ITT we stretch

[xRECKONERx]

KEEP THAT SHIT OUTTA THIS TOPIC

[xRECKONERx]

We have 18 alive (so basically 9 slots).
Of those 18, 6 are scum (so basically 3 slots).

However, given it's 2:4:12 right now, it would take

at least

1 mafia lynch + 4 more town lynches for werewolves to win.

Thus, I'm not terribly worried at the moment. I'm willing to go for a wagon and see what happens. If we hit werewolf at some point, then that adds on another lynch (or two?) to how many we have to spare.

[xRECKONERx]

We really need the backup mod.

[xRECKONERx]

He did a votecount two days ago. Before that, the last votecount was a week before. Before that, 12 days.

I love Sens and all, but if he can't commit to modding this game, we need someone else to takeover.

[xRECKONERx]

fifth cup of coffee since 1am
what

[xRECKONERx]

I was like 79.87% sure silavor was gonna flip scum.

[xRECKONERx]

I found Mariyta suspicious before, but I can't remember if I thought she had any ties to the dead mafia team or not. Need to reread to refresh myself.

oh right this

[xRECKONERx]

@EmpTyger: HOLY SHIT YOU'RE STILL GOING ON ABOUT THIS. No, nothing "new" changed my mind. But I was the one being attacked, therefore I'm naturally going to have a more visceral response response to being called a liar. After I calmed down, I was able to see things from a new perspective. You don't get to use that reasoning.

[xRECKONERx]

Mod, is it against the rules if I force dramonic to catch up and post content while he's here (he's staying with me for 15 days)?

I mean, I can do it. As I stated in another thread, I can withhold certain things from him until he agrees.

PS, Kise is also coming down here for a few days while dramonic is here, but I'm assuming it's not an issue so long as we don't discuss the ongoings of the game. My talk with dramonic will only serve as a real-life prod. I'll literally poke him, even.

[xRECKONERx]

I just realized how not-in-love I am with this game anymore.

I loved it at first. Active discussion! Convincing cases! EmpTyger acting like an idiot!

Now it's just EmpTyger acting like an idiot. And a mod that is all but gone.

[xRECKONERx]

You're literally retarded. I don't know how to explain this.

1) You're obnoxious as fuck and tunneling on issues that don't matter (which MOST PEOPLE agree with me on), and playing with you is making me want to start screaming nasty things again that would get me modkilled, so I chose not to respond to you.
2) I said that changing your mind is scummy, but perhaps I didn't fully give the context of the situation. Changing your mind about a situation which does not involve you when no new developments have give you a reason to change your mind about the situation IS SCUMMY.
3) Actually, the mod explicitly told me "You're an idiot" and "Oh my god you're stupid" are fine, since he does that himself. He said "fucking cunt" and "twat" and "cunt rag" and stuff like that is not okay.

I didn't only mean "it's scummy to flip flop", I meant "it's scummy to flip flop in your position given reasoning xyz", but I thought it was obvious reasoning xyz was that you took a situation which you weren't directly affected by, and which most of town had agreed would be hindersome to continue talking about, and yet you

kept talking about it

... and you took a REALLY hardline stance on that issue... then suddenly were like "lol nvm".

And you flip flopped on me before this argument. All I wanted to know is what it was that made you flip flop on me. You saying "a player I thought was town flipped mafia" and that would've sufficed. Now you've dragged this out for pages more, because you're terrible, and this is what you do. How about go do some real scumhunting and come back later?

God, I'd be down for using one of those free lynches on EmpTyger/Thingyman just so I wouldn't have to

ignore

read Emp's posts anymore.

[xRECKONERx]

See: recent posts for why vezok is an acceptable lynch.

[xRECKONERx]

I'm going to HAVE to take because otherwise we're not headed anywhere, also because we have a few free lynch on the off-chance he's town, and he's going to be lynched before LyLo regardles. Wether it's now or later, he's one of those players you cannot keep alive close to a risky situation.

This. 100% this.

[xRECKONERx]

Kise originally suggested it, I expanded on it... but I'll take the credit for it all the same.

[xRECKONERx]

OH MY GOD THIS GAME

Alright, so 16 alive/8 teams alive. 4/2 of them are werewolves. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, here, but with all mislynches...

D5: 12:4
D6: 10:4
D7: 8:4
D8: 6:4
D9: 4:4

...the earliest the scumteam could win would be on D9!? BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THIS GAME IS AS GOOD AS WON

[xRECKONERx]

I'd rather lynch Mari/whoever over dram/werewolf or Grey/Antihero. Could potentially go with a PO/Esp lynch.

Let me put it this way: my town metaread on dram is still really strong, despite the lurking. werewolf is just always fucking terrible. I won't support their lynch. Kise/PrayPiotr, I've considered town since I changed my opinion on the AIM logs fiasco, so I won't support their lynch. And clearly, I'm not going to support me/Nero Cain being lynched. There goes
6/16 people.

This leaves five lover pairs left. Is Llamarble still in the game? I didn't see him listed in the first post.
In any case, the remaining ten people have all remained fairly muddled together for me, though there are exceptions when I've had a spark of "oh, he's town" or "oh, he's scum" here and there, so I remain ambivalent to who we lynch next.

[xRECKONERx]

Also, can we get an updated list of loverpairing so we don't have to go dig through pages again?

Reck/Nero
dram/werewolf
Kise/PrayPiotr
GreyICE/Antihero
Purple Orange/Espeonage

I don't remember the rest. Mariyta/Tragedy, right?

[xRECKONERx]

7. PrayPiotr
12. Thingyman
16. werewolf555
17. DarlaBlueEyes

THESE PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED 40 PAGES AGO, MOD

[xRECKONERx]

I really have a town read on GreyICE. His willingness to go along with me leads me to believe that either he honestly believes it, and he's town, or he's scum and I have incorrectly cleared one of his scumteams in my dram/werewolf & Kise/PrayPiotr town reads.

However, it follows that if I am confident in my own claims, then I am confident that GreyICE is actually town.

I have not seen the scumminess others have in him. I'm sick of this whole "I'm a martyr! Just lynch me!" attitude. If you're town, play the fucking game to your wincon and try to find scum. If you're scum, stop going directly against your wincon by inviting people to lynch you.

No, werewolf should have been force replaced. I think a majority of people here will agree with me.

Shut up. I've had enough with multiple people already PMing any or all of {Me, Yaw, StrangerCoug} that I'm not finding replacements fast enough for people who flaked. I'm not going to fucking replace someone who is posting frequently in the meantime. That's my last word on the subject. Got it?

You're NOT finding replacements fast enough. It's day fucking five, page fifty fucking five, and we're still waiting on replacements.

Werewolf has posted TWENTY ONE TIMES during the course of this game. That's about 1/55th of the actual posts in the game, which is not acceptable. FURTHEMORE, his posts all contain less than 100 words in each one. He has not made a sufficient post during this game. If you were being an active mod and actually keeping up with prods, he would've been prodded about ten times by now, and then been force-replaced. So don't try to pass it off as he's "posting actively", because this game has been going on for over two months now, and he's posted only 21 times, which averages out to be less than the required amount.

[xRECKONERx]

Addition: it's not town's job to moderate activity by lynching people who aren't meeting the activity requirements. In fact, that puts us at a great disadvantage. It's the mod's job to ensure activity, not ours. If you can't keep up with activity or post vote counts more than once every week and a half or two weeks, perhaps you should ask a backup mod to step up to a comod capacity in order to ensure that this game runs smoothly from here on out.

[xRECKONERx]

This is my last word on the subject of replacements.

It is my job to judge if a player is participating in the game, and to replace them otherwise. It is not my job to judge how much content a player is contributing, and nor will I attempt to. werewolf's last post is 10 hours ago, and so he is not close to eligible for a prod, much less a replacement. If he goes past 3 days without posting, I will prod him at my earliest convenience, and then if he does not respond to the prod by posting in-thread, he will be replaced. This goes for everyone.

You're perfectly within your rights to think that I'm not doing a good enough job of replacing people quickly, and that's your right. But I've had two instances of access issues (one of which was my fault, the other when the board wouldn't load for me for about 48 hours), and I've already replaced 4 people in the 5 weeks this game has been running. Your experience may be different, but I've been doing my best to find any necessary replacement(s) - at this point I need 1. I'm doing my best to find replacements in a timely fashion, and I apologize if one replacement is taking longer than you might have expected.

Re: Werewolf
Time of iso post 7: 2/06/11 @ 9:43AM
Time of iso post 8: 2/11/11 @ 4:13PM

Elapsed time between the two: 5 days, 6hrs, 30 minutes

Time of iso post 9&10: 2/14/11 @ 6:08PM

Elapsed time between the two: 3 days, 1hr, 55 minutes

Time of iso post 11&12&13: 2/19/11 @ 9:01PM

Elapsed time between the two: 5 days, 2 hrs, 53 minutes

Time of iso post 14: 2/22/11 @ 12:06PM

Elapsed time between the two: 2 days, 15 hrs, 5 minutes

Time of iso post 18: 2/23/11 @ 4:33PM (this post was just a quote of another post, by the way)
Time of iso post 19: 2/28/11 @ 7:56PM

Elapsed time between the two: 5 days, 3 hours, 23 minutes

Time of iso post 20: 3/03/11 @ 7:25PM

Elapsed time between the two: 2 days, 23 hours, 29 minutes

Time of iso post 21: 3/06/11 @ 11:01PM

Elapsed time between the two: 3 days, 3 hours, 46 minutes

@MOD:

Just because you don't get on and check for prods in your game regularly doesn't mean a player hasn't warranted a prod (by my count, missing the prod deadline SEVEN times). This is going by your implied deadline of:

[12] If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period, please post a notice to that effect in the thread or PM me. Treat this game as a commitment. Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging.

He has been MIA for a total of 27 days, 6 hours.

This game itself has only been running for about 35 days. This is unacceptable. Just because you're too lazy to find replacements doesn't mean you can ignore a glaring issue. werewolf isn't even in this game. And I know you're not going to judge content, but some of those 21 posts consist of: just quoting what other players said, only voting/unvoting someone, posting pictures irrelevant to the game itself, and general non-game-related bullshit. EVEN WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE CONTENT OF HIS POSTS, he's way below the required activity standard, and you need to replace him. Plain and simple.

[xRECKONERx]

Sorry, I need to calm down a bit.

But this is a poor modding job and he needs to get off his ass and do something about it. The blatant disregard for his responsibilities is pissing me the fuck off. Dramonic & I had to scramble to find over ten replacements for Reckamonic's Ocarina of Time, and that game was over 200 pages. This is just lazy modding.

[xRECKONERx]

@Emp: First off, if I ignore your posts, how do you expect me to see your request for everyone to copy/paste the lover list into their lover QT? Second off, I didn't contradict myself.

P.S. If we hit scum at some point, Reck, please support a Werewolf555/Dramonic lynch.

Fine. If we hit scum, and werewolf doesn't get replaced, I'll consider a werewolf/dram lynch in order to ease your mind. But after they flip town, can you, like, never question my read on dram in a game again, ever?

[xRECKONERx]

No. Dram needs to get his partner replaced, which he should've had a long ago. This mod is terrible.

Not even listed in the replacement queue?
No ad in the sig?
JUST NOW posted a replacement request in the signup thread?

LOL

[xRECKONERx]

Hiraki replaces Thingyman, effective as soon as he picks up his PM.
As of now, there are

NO

more slots in need of replacement.
PrayPiotr has about 24 hours to pick up his prod and post, or be replaced.

LOL MOD
L O L

[xRECKONERx]

Vote counts?

[xRECKONERx]

Oh look, the mod is threatening modkills for anyone who has a problem with his lack of modding. *sigh*

I'll be back tomorrow once I step away from this game for a bit.

[xRECKONERx]

Also, allow me to explain part of my bias, for full disclosure:

This is the last normal game that I'll be playing. I decided to retire, and I've signed up for one or two mini theme games, but after that, I'm done. And this is the last game dramonic signed up for with me, and I refuse to believe fate is such a cruel bitch that we ended up opposite alignments in our final game together.

This, plus my town read on him, makes me unwilling to lynch dramonic.

[xRECKONERx]

Look, I wanna kill Kise. I really, really do. And if the wagon swings back that way, I will.

Fuck this,

Unvote

Vote: Tragedy

I'm tired of town giving up. Period. Policy.

Lemme get this straight, Grey. You think Tragedy is town. And yet, you're going to hop on Tragedy's wagon out of "policy". ON DAY FIVE!?

[xRECKONERx]

HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES HELL YES

[xRECKONERx]

Look, I wanna kill Kise. I really, really do. And if the wagon swings back that way, I will.

Fuck this,

Unvote

Vote: Tragedy

I'm tired of town giving up. Period. Policy.

Lemme get this straight, Grey. You think Tragedy is town. And yet, you're going to hop on Tragedy's wagon out of "policy". ON DAY FIVE!?

Yes. Why? Because I

think

Mariyta is town. We're talking, if you asked me to weigh on a scale, 1 = scum, 10 = town, a 6, 6.5.

You're like a 9.5.

And honestly, are we ever going to improve on them? Make a case on someone else, but I'll park my vote here.

orly

TOWN
xRECKONERx - Nero Cain
?Llamarble? - Ashblade! (I forgot who your partner was, sorry. You'll love him! As soon as he comes back. Smart guy)
Dramonic (Self-lover)
PrayPiotr - Kise
Maryita - Tragedy
EmpTyger - ?Thingyman?
PurpleOrange - Espeonage
SCUM

Because here, you liste Mar/Trag as more likely scum than Kise/Pray.

[xRECKONERx]

And I really don't like Tragedy's recent posts. Do you?

What exactly bothers you about them?

I'm starting to get wary that you're blatantly buddying me in order to stay out of my SUPERSCUMHUNTINGLAZERS

@Kise: This isn't my last game, per se, but all the games I'm in now are the last ones I'll be /inning for.
I'm currently in two games solo + one game on the Reckamonic hydra.

[xRECKONERx]

Grey: if I am scum, is dramonic scum? And conversely, if dramonic is scum, does that make me scum?

[xRECKONERx]

I see.

[xRECKONERx]

So Mariyta/werewolf have requested replacement.

This is... interesting. Mariyta has been vaguely scummy all game, and a replacement might give us new perspective... but it also gives the replacement the excuse of "Lol, I'm not Mariyta!" in order to completely erase the scumminess of that slot. werewolf, on the other hand, has been essentially nonexistent, but luckily we know that that slot is already town, due to dram being obvtown, due to meta. Or at least, to me.

[xRECKONERx]

TIME FOR A CLAIM TO SPICE THINGS UP

I'M A DOCTOR

/s

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: ESPEONAGE

LYING SCUM

[xRECKONERx]

oh shit

unvote

holy fuck I was kidding

[xRECKONERx]

I'd rather lynch Tragedy over Kise.

Vote: Tragedy

I'll park my vote here for now. Not voting for Kise today, and tbqh, PO's towniness weighs out Esp's lack of towniness.

Though the pain that the Esp wagon is having in actually getting pushed through is worrisome, as either that means Esp is scum and his scumbuddies are trying to stop the lynch, or he's town and scum is already on the wagon.