Mini 1138 - Candy Zoo Mafia (Game Over!)

Amrun · Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:25 am

VOTE: Kolafers

for hating on anime so senselessly.

This is supposed to be a hate-free zoo.

Amrun · Post Post #22 (isolation #1) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:53 am

Nobody Special wrote:Well, I know everyone that's posted (so far). Hi!!

Vote: Amrun

She knows why.

I don't know you, and I don't know why.

Should I, really?

Amrun · Post Post #25 (isolation #2) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:37 am

I do actually know why for that one.

Don't play so scummy in this game, vezok. Put a little more thought into your posts.

I have no beef with you. You will see as your "reason" plays out elsewhere.

Amrun · Post Post #32 (isolation #3) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:52 am

Aaaaaaaaah, no, not again!!!

Unvote

VOTE: vezokpiraka

Amrun · Post Post #34 (isolation #4) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:57 am

THE ROLEFISHING

IT HAS TO STOP

NOOO WHY

Amrun · Post Post #36 (isolation #5) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:57 am

No, I don't.

I don't think a massclaim of ANYTHING is a good idea.

Amrun · Post Post #37 (isolation #6) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:58 am

All I know is that I don't know jack shit about ingredients, but I'm betting someone does, and there's a good chance that it's scum.

I won't help scum.

Amrun · Post Post #42 (isolation #7) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:08 am

The OP suggests we will learn more about this mechanic as time goes on.

So, I'm sitting on it for now.

Amrun · Post Post #47 (isolation #8) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:43 am

Oh, sorry, I didn't know you were SV. I do know you, and I do know why. Haha.

Amrun · Post Post #50 (isolation #9) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:12 am

I've thought about it and I'm not sure how answering the simple question of vezok's can be that bad.

I'd prefer it not have been asked at all, this early, but now that it's on the table...

Yes.

Please no further speculation / massclaim madness.

From what I can tell, vezokpiraka has a lot more information than me and that does not sit well with me.

Amrun · Post Post #55 (isolation #10) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:17 am

Well, he did ask that, but if anyone does that, they're derps.

But the more innocuous question is "Are baddies after your ingredients?"

Amrun · Post Post #56 (isolation #11) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:19 am

And to be perfectly honest, I don't actually know who is after my ingredients, or even if anyone is, but I inferred a "yes." That's why I didn't want to answer. Maybe I still shouldn't have.

Amrun · Post Post #74 (isolation #12) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:56 am

Zyrconium, it's like a half a day into the game or something.

Slow down.

Make a case on TS.

Amrun · Post Post #84 (isolation #13) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:12 am

I appreciate the effort, Zyrc, but pushing for a lynch RIGHT NOW is still ridiculous.

I also want to play this first day at least like a normal game.

Amrun · Post Post #99 (isolation #14) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:55 pm

Hoppster, please never edit your answers into posts like that. It's really hard to read and impossible to quote later.

Amrun · Post Post #101 (isolation #15) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:06 pm

Isn't this your first post in game, Hazard?

You think you have found "obvious" scum in 4 pages? Your post bumped to page 5.

That's really ALL you have to say?

TS has earned some pressure, but people calling for lynches already? For real?

Amrun · Post Post #103 (isolation #16) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:11 pm

Zoo related pictures have my approval.

Amrun · Post Post #112 (isolation #17) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:55 pm

Hazard, have an original thought! You can do it.

Amrun · Post Post #115 (isolation #18) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:30 pm

Your second post was a nothing, Hazard.

It was a derp. Answer should be totally obvious.

Amrun · Post Post #118 (isolation #19) » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:53 pm

I thought about it, but why give scum pointers on how to appear town?

Amrun · Post Post #175 (isolation #20) » Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:45 am

Tunneling this early?

I swear, if someone hammers, I'll lose my mind. What kind of information can we get from a day one this short?

My top scumreads so far:

Twisted: WIFOM! WIFOM!
Mothras: Gut, using example Role PM, answering questions to others
Hoppster: Tunneling, and I don't feel it's in a town way. However... I think it's highly unlikely that both Twisted and Hoppster are scum. So, we'll see.

Much Lower:

Hazard: Active lurking ... but it's too early to really call someone out for that, so this is much more of a null.

Town:

Kalofer
vezok (despite his rolefishing, subject to change as mechanic becomes more obvious)
Zyrc (but a little bit of a sheep so far ... it's early, though)
mb (closer to null)

All of my reads are wishy-washy right now, which is why I hesitated to post them quite yet, but this game got seriously quickly. I wanted to give our less active members more time to post (plus, I have been quite busy myself).

Amrun · Post Post #177 (isolation #21) » Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:52 am

That helps because...?

Amrun · Post Post #179 (isolation #22) » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:09 pm

Yes, they would, in hopes of being forgiven for it, like you are doing now.

You just defended WIFOM with more WIFOM.

Amrun · Post Post #185 (isolation #23) » Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:46 pm

If you have a case on Zyrconium, let's see it, Toasty.

Amrun · Post Post #187 (isolation #24) » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:11 pm

I'm still processing your case, but most of it looks good. Haven't really gone in-depth yet, though, but I needed to ask a question: Who is TP?

(Have not memorized playerlist yet x.x)

Amrun · Post Post #201 (isolation #25) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:41 am

That sounds like a scummy role, tbh.

Amrun · Post Post #204 (isolation #26) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:57 am

She is a zoo visitor and the flavor in the beginning makes it seem like one of the zoo visitors are the murderers.

But my gut is inclined to believe TS is town.

Amrun · Post Post #208 (isolation #27) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:04 am

Twistedspoon wrote:
Amrun wrote:She is a zoo visitor and the flavor in the beginning makes it seem like one of the zoo visitors are the murderers.
I'm a he :/

WHY DO I KEEP DOING THAT

Amrun · Post Post #221 (isolation #28) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:32 am

vezokpiraka wrote:We are multiple vanillas with ingredients. It would be stupid to have only one guy who can use the ingredients.

So if someone wants to claim that they have the same role as well that is good. I don't think you should that at all but if we hadn't decided to lynch someone else than TS I say someone comes out so we can clear him.

STOP FISHING FOR TOWN PR

STOP

Amrun · Post Post #237 (isolation #29) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:24 am

Hoppster: I re-read OP and agree with you. All 13 are suspicious.

I just re-read my role PM and decided something.

VOTE: twistedspoon

I believe his claim, all right. I believe that it's scum claiming his real role and attaching green text to it.

If twisted flips town, we learn something about the set-up and I learn something about my role PM.

If twisted flips scum, as I believe he will, we probably found a scumbuddy in mb53.

I had planned to make a case on him today and give twisted the benefit of the doubt, but I mis-remembered something about my own role and just realized it.

I'm starting to get a better handle on this game, I think.

Amrun · Post Post #245 (isolation #30) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:44 am

Of course I hope not to kill a townie, twisted.

But if you are a townie, then my role PM can't be trusted in its wording.

The wording is strong enough that I will push your lynch until you are dead or I am proven wrong.

P-edit: A bad chord called OMGUS.

Amrun · Post Post #250 (isolation #31) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:02 am

A hoppster link? Why, because he called me out for being wrong and I admitted it?

Yeah, okay. Justifying your OMGUS after the fact. Psuedo-scumhunting.

I am not washing my hands clean if you flip town. I'm simply informing everyone that if you flip town, the wording of our role PMs cannot be trusted.

There should be a couple of people who know what I mean.

Ever since your claim, something hasn't sat right with me. Why go and add the green for emphasis? Why did it feel so scummy?

Because it is a scum role, that's why.

Amrun · Post Post #252 (isolation #32) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:10 am

I would be too lazy to fiddle with colors, obviously.

But stop pretending that's why I'm voting for you.

It's nothing personal, and in your position there was little else you could do, but for the sake of the game, you need to swing.

Amrun · Post Post #253 (isolation #33) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:11 am

*should read "probably" not "obviously"

Amrun · Post Post #261 (isolation #34) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:26 am

Twisted, now you hate WIFOM?

And my reason for voting for you should be blatantly obvious: my role PM indicates that the role you claimed absolutely MUST be scum.

Amrun · Post Post #275 (isolation #35) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:43 am

Twisted, if you somehow amazingly flip town, then I will probably need to teel everyone what made me so cautious.

However, several other people will be able to corroborate and see where I am coming from.

I'm not worried anyway. Pretty sure you're scum.

Toasty: I agree about Zyrc. That same post didn't sit right with me, less for what it said and more because of timing. I thi nk it could be scum trying to get away with keeping a scumbuddy alive.

Everyone: I'd like to hear from CP and NS before the hammer.

Amrun · Post Post #276 (isolation #36) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:45 am

Oh snap, I don't think I unvoted.

Unvote

VOTE: twistedspoon

Just in case.

Amrun · Post Post #287 (isolation #37) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:10 am

Stop it with the "scum would have done" bullshit.

And I didn't kill you off, TS.

I wasn't the one to propose your lynch, and in fact, I never voted for you until after you were L-1 and forced to claim.

Don't even try to play that card. I would have never have had the opportunity to nail your claim as scum if you hadn't been forced to claim by others in the first place.

Saying, "I guess I'm confirmed town now, haha" only makes me want to see you lynched more.

P-edit: after the flip, if I am wrong, I'll be happy to elaborate.

Several other people have picked up on what I pointed out though.

Amrun · Post Post #300 (isolation #38) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:30 am

Mb, how can you backtrack like that?

Please explain properly.

But I'm inclined to believe you after your reaction to vezok's questioning.

Amrun · Post Post #306 (isolation #39) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:41 am

Agh! If you're seriously town, I can't believe what just happened!

Amrun · Post Post #309 (isolation #40) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:47 am

I refuse to fill you in, TS. Enough damage has been done already.

Amrun · Post Post #313 (isolation #41) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:11 pm

Hoppster: I do, because of his reactions to vezok's question earlier, and also because I forgot the exact wording myself until I double checked. It's a small thing, easy to overlook when caught up in the moment.

I don't believe it unequivocally, but for now, I am satisfied.

I'm very open to continuing to scumhunt elsewhere. I already expressed suspicion of Zyrc.

Amrun · Post Post #318 (isolation #42) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:37 pm

You're going to have to elaborate at this point.

My role indicates that he must be scum.

Amrun · Post Post #322 (isolation #43) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:59 pm

Mb, another horrid backtrack.

I've changed my mind on him again. He could very well be scum.

As for Hazard, that does make me more doubtful, but am I supposed to trust you over my own role pm? I don't think so.

Amrun · Post Post #328 (isolation #44) » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:08 pm

Zyrc, yes, X isn't NECESSARILY Y, but I'm not inclined to risk it until I know.

Had TS not been scummy before this...

But he was, and my role PM says what it does.

I don't see how I can ignore it. It absolutely was not a mistake or offhand comment in the PM. It's emphasized.

Amrun · Post Post #339 (isolation #45) » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:14 am

No, I really have no clue.

Amrun · Post Post #349 (isolation #46) » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:06 am

Vezok, I don't see it. My PM says he must be scum.

If he isn't scum, I can't trust the wording of my PM. Until it is proven that I shouldn't do so, I will trust my PM.

Amrun · Post Post #361 (isolation #47) » Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:01 am

If you flip town, I will fully reveal WHY I thought my PM was calling you scum, TS.

The town will probably believe me, as I don't see how I can come to any other conclusion based on my role PM.

If they don't, they get another mislynch, and that's their problem.

That's how I see it.

I won't throw a fit if they decide to lynch me if you flip town, as I will understand.

But I'm not all that worried about it, as you will most likely flip scum, TS.

p-edit: Hazard, my role PM pretty much says that the role TS claimed is scum. Not town.

Amrun · Post Post #363 (isolation #48) » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:12 am

Too late for what?

Nothing will change if I reveal it now except I give scum information. Not going to happen.

Amrun · Post Post #371 (isolation #49) » Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:03 pm

Toasty, it IS possible that TS is an exception -- but should we assume he is an exception? If so, why?

He was acting scummy -- that's why he was forced to claim.

Amrun · Post Post #373 (isolation #50) » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:56 pm

Why?

Seriously ... why?

The only information I have in this game is my own role PM. I'm damn well going to use it.

That being said, if TS had previously been playing pro-town, I wouldn't be pushing this so hard -- and in fact, I wouldn't even be in this position.

If everyone -- and I do mean EVERY PLAYER -- comes in and says they want me to paraphrase the particular part of my PM that makes me feel so strongly, I will do so.

Amrun · Post Post #378 (isolation #51) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:33 am

TS - yes
Kalofer - yes
Mothras - lazy, let's disregard him if evryone else votes one way or the other before friday.

I really do mean averyone, here.

If even one or two people feel strongly that I shouldn't reveal, I won't, because I think there should be at least one similar pm to mine.
I am absolutely not full revealing, but I will partially reveal the part of my role relevant to the converation.i

Amrun · Post Post #383 (isolation #52) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:48 pm

I'd like to hear from everyone first to guage their responses and get as much info as possible. I hope you understand.

Amrun · Post Post #385 (isolation #53) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:07 pm

Scum wants me to reveal. Not heartening.

Amrun · Post Post #388 (isolation #54) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:13 pm

I didn't mean everyone, there. Just Zyrconium.

His last several posts are even more scummy than usual.

But I do want to hear from everybody first, which is just common sense, to me.

Amrun · Post Post #392 (isolation #55) » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:41 am

I can't explain without ... y'know ... EXPLAINING.

Amrun · Post Post #394 (isolation #56) » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:49 am

Let me go get my webcam.

Amrun · Post Post #397 (isolation #57) » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:33 am

If TS is scum, my role PM isn't true.

Period. Face value, it says the role TS claimed is scum. It's emphasized, so I know it's not an accident.

Amrun · Post Post #400 (isolation #58) » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:47 pm

What I meant is that if TS hadn't been scummy, he wouldn't have been at L-1 and forced to claim, so I wouldn't know his role or the role he is claiming.

Maybe other people are seeing "strongly implied" where I see explicit.

Ugh. I don't see any other possible interpretation, honestly. I'm starting to second guess myself now, though.

I really think others should have my same pm.

Amrun · Post Post #405 (isolation #59) » Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:28 am

It's my 21st, and I won't spend too much time partying, but my boyfriend is coming to pick me up later, and we will be spending the weekend very busy, if you catch my drift.

So I'll be scarce this weekend. Fair warning. :p

Amrun · Post Post #408 (isolation #60) » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:05 am

It's not about you being a visitor to the zoo.

I'll just say it, since most have wighed in.

My PM says that "evil people" are after my goodies.

"Evil people" is italicized.

It doesn't say, but they might also be good people!

It says evil people unequivocally.

Amrun · Post Post #410 (isolation #61) » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:11 am

My PM doesn't mention that possibility. Evil people is italicized, for crying out loud.

Amrun · Post Post #414 (isolation #62) » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:39 am

Why "of course?"

It says EVIL PEOPLE.

But I started doubting myself a little and that's why I said it before everyone "voted."

If you all disagree with me, that's fine, now that it's on the table.

I decided it was better to get others' opinions on it.

If we think, collectively, that TS is a town PR, then by all means, we should lynch someone else.

But now everyone knows what I know.

Amrun · Post Post #416 (isolation #63) » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:43 am

TS, are you serious?

I just revealed myself as having goodies to steal.

USE YOUR BRAINS.

THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING THAT MAFIA KNOW THAT.

Amrun · Post Post #426 (isolation #64) » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:45 pm

Hoppster: that's what I meant. It doesn't say that so I don't think it's true.

TS: the only person who has said "scum wants to steal from candy animals and candy animals have goodies" is actually you. You are the only person who knows what scum knows.

Because you're scum.

Amrun · Post Post #428 (isolation #65) » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:52 pm

No, I don't.

I know scum wants the goodies I have because my role says so, but I didn't say anything about candy animals.

Plus, TS's supposed role pm didn't say anything like that, so how would he know?

Amrun · Post Post #435 (isolation #66) » Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:13 pm

How close is the role to yours, hazard?

Like the wording?

Amrun · Post Post #440 (isolation #67) » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:18 pm

Of course I see toasty's point, but after playing with vezok before, I can say that vezok is probably town by meta.

Those things are still scummy but I want to wait it out and see. I have a town read on vezok right now.

Amrun · Post Post #447 (isolation #68) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:55 am

Why would it concern you, TS?

Amrun · Post Post #453 (isolation #69) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:42 pm

It's still just two words, hoppster.

In the beginning of the game, I forget things because I have to re-read them several times before it all sticks firmly in my mind.

But something about TS' claim bothered me enough that I did go back and re-read my pm because I didn't want to accuse without being sure. When I re-read, I became sure.

Amrun · Post Post #469 (isolation #70) » Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:18 pm

Why can't one be town and the other be scum?

Amrun · Post Post #525 (isolation #71) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:45 pm

Yeah, but I'm not sure scum would have known enough to ask that question.

Also I have personally killed vezok for rolefishing before and he turned up town.

Amrun · Post Post #527 (isolation #72) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:29 pm

I am not calling him unequivocal town.

But for day one, I don't want him lynched. I feel like I need more information.

I also think the reason he asked that question because the part of my role PM I revealed would logically lead to the question vezok asked.

Amrun · Post Post #541 (isolation #73) » Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:26 am

I think he could be, but I'm honestly confused.

It could be a good townbuddy move for scum.

It could also be a scum attempting to save a partner.

It could also be town vouching for scum who claimed his ability.

Hazard doesn't have enough content for me to pick which.

Amrun · Post Post #544 (isolation #74) » Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:50 am

I'm honestly confused. LAL really should NOT apply to TS according to Hazard, and yet it is...

I think Hazard is probably scum.

Ugh. These two players' claims are mindfucking me.

Amrun · Post Post #556 (isolation #75) » Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:51 pm

Why is it that strange for them to have the same role as different alignments?

I actually see Hazard townbuddying making more and more sense since he's voting for TS.

Think about it.. If we lynch TS for the scummy-looking role and he flips town, how likely are we to lynch Hazard for his supposed role?

Amrun · Post Post #562 (isolation #76) » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:07 am

Wow, Kalofer, gonna bother to explain? Is that pure OMGUS?

Amrun · Post Post #565 (isolation #77) » Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:51 am

Honestly, I'm more comfortably lynching Hazard.

But either one. We just need a flip. That's why I haven't changed my vote.

Amrun · Post Post #569 (isolation #78) » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:43 am

NS, I have already done one.

I think Hazard's actions make most sense as scum townbuddying.

But a TS OR a Hazard flip will both inform us of a lot of things and both have a good chance of being scum, so I am okay with either.

And Zyrconium may be scum, but lynching him today is a bad idea because then we're back where we started with Hazard and TS - even if Zyrconium is scum.

He does read scummy to me, though.

Amrun · Post Post #573 (isolation #79) » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:31 pm

Honestly, my mind is so fucked that neither flip will be that informative to me, now that I think about it... I mean, a little bit, but not as much as I'd like. Here is the gist of it:

-If TS flips town, I'd be more suspicious of Hazard but at the same time more cautious to lynch him in case they're both town.
-If TS flips scum, I'd be less suspicious of Hazard because it's too dumb to be a scumbuddying move, but at the same time, I might not want him in lylo just in case.

Given the nature of the set-up, I think it's ENTIRELY possible that they have the same role as different alignments. So who can say? Ugh.

@Kalofer: Try again.

Amrun · Post Post #607 (isolation #80) » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:19 pm

Just hammer, imho.

This game has descended into madness.

Seriously considering the idea of Kalofer jester now. What a turnaround.

Amrun · Post Post #631 (isolation #81) » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:14 am

At least no one died.

Ugh. Sorry for my role in the TS lynch. I guess PMs can't be trusted.

I don't think Hazard gets off the hook, but not ready to lynch him.

Amrun · Post Post #635 (isolation #82) » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:27 am

vezok, how have you changed your opinion on me so totally from day 1 to day 2?

Amrun · Post Post #638 (isolation #83) » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:34 am

Obvious or not, I still like to see people state it in their own words. (I'm answering that question even though it wasn't directed at me. Hazard can answer for himself.)

p-edit: Mothras might be scum, and he's actually a suspect of mine, but I am certainly not. Why don't you explain how my posts come from a scum mindset? To be honest, I think that's just plain silly. I thought about a scum motivation for what I did and I really can't think of one.

Amrun · Post Post #651 (isolation #84) » Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:36 am

Zyrc's suggestion of this makes him much scummier to me.

HEY EVERYONE. LET'S REVEAL WHO HAS GOODIES AND EXACTLY WHAT.

Great idea. Not.

Amrun · Post Post #653 (isolation #85) » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:11 am

No. NO.

STOP.

Amrun · Post Post #662 (isolation #86) » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:00 am

Vezok, even if morthas is scum, "people he doesn't talk to" means VERY little in the start of day 2.

Poor logic, role fishing, and lining up lynches.

Stop being a VI so I can figure out if you're scum or not. X.x

Toasty, explain to me why you think Hazard claiming is even remotely a good idea.m

Amrun · Post Post #664 (isolation #87) » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:30 am

You know, I actually DO think you are town... Probably, anyway.

You're just so, so, so wrong with your line of thinking.

You still haven't answered my questions to you.

Amrun · Post Post #669 (isolation #88) » Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:52 am

Vezok: explain how my play could come from a scum perspective. Ignore mothras for the purpose of the question.

Toasty: In case of imminent lynch on target, agree. Just not for no reason. But I wonder if stolen ingredients can be stolen again, like if Hazatrd is town and targets scum, would it fail or would he get something they'd stolen?

Amrun · Post Post #671 (isolation #89) » Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:25 am

Someone suggested "full results," which to me indicated who he stole from and what he stole.

I WOULD like to know who he targeted, but I don't want scum to know that that person has goodies, if scum does not already know.

And yes, vezok, is wrong, but I wanted him to stop before it got worse.

Amrun · Post Post #674 (isolation #90) » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:45 pm

Maybe I was mistaken. I was reading on my phone during class.

But what I mean is that I don't want Hazard to say, "I stole lollipops from x." If scum need lollipops to complete some sort of creation, they know where to go.

I don't really know how that works; maybe they aren't told what ingredients they need ... but then again, maybe they are.

Amrun · Post Post #676 (isolation #91) » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:32 pm

Wait, you aren't told what ingredients you get?

That rings REALLY false to me.

Amrun · Post Post #678 (isolation #92) » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:54 pm

I understand not know what you would MAKE.

But as I've already revealed that "evil people want my goodies," I can say that I have goodies and I know EXACTLY what they are.

It makes no sense to me that a supposed Zoo Visitor would steal a goodie and not know what it is. He might not know what he can make with what he's got, but he should definitely know what he has.

Hazard looking scummier.

Amrun · Post Post #695 (isolation #93) » Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:22 am

Zyrconium, we've been through why Hazard revealing is not good unless he's at L-1.

I thought you had acknowledged that.

More later when I'm at a computer.

Amrun · Post Post #698 (isolation #94) » Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:23 am

What do you mean?

I said "I would like to know, but I don't want scum to know." That means I don't actually want Hazard to come out with the information.

In hindsight, I can see how that's a little ambiguous, but I definitely said at one that he should reveal only at L-1.

Amrun · Post Post #700 (isolation #95) » Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:02 am

Give a scumlist, Zyrconium.

Amrun · Post Post #705 (isolation #96) » Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:55 pm

I was just curious to see if it changed, Zyrconium. Not sure why you felt the need to quote like 7 posts you make zero comment on.

And if you hadn't figured it out by now, questioning you and Hazard IS scumhunting.

Vezok ... I'd really like to see those cases. Plus a case on mothras. Something that has logic in it, please, and actually makes sense.

Amrun · Post Post #707 (isolation #97) » Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:40 am

But if Hazard is town, we confirm to scum a town member with candy. That is not good.

Starting to see Mothras' point, though.

Amrun · Post Post #709 (isolation #98) » Sat Apr 02, 2011 1:12 am

Yes, and there's another problem with that that I don't want to say (yes, this again...)

But it's not AS bad as I first thought.

Still not in favor it.

Amrun · Post Post #721 (isolation #99) » Sat Apr 02, 2011 1:06 pm

Who do you think is scum, morthas?

And I can tell you all it's highly unlikely one"visit" would do the trick, so revealed candy holders are still vulnerable.

Amrun · Post Post #723 (isolation #100) » Sat Apr 02, 2011 4:00 pm

Case please?

Amrun · Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:52 am

ToastyToast wrote:@Morthas: I am for it only if the person he targeted gets to L-1, or if he gets to L-1. That way we avoid giving scum any easy role information.

Agreeing with this.

I hope to conceal revealing someone who definitely has goodies, for starters.

Amrun · Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:53 am

OH, and I forgot, I would like to know what Hazard's results PM is like, just without who he actually stole from.

Amrun · Post Post #736 (isolation #103) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:52 pm

You can paraphrase it, you know.

Amrun · Post Post #738 (isolation #104) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:27 pm

Oh, I see.

Best to ask the mod, then, I suppose.

Amrun · Post Post #747 (isolation #105) » Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:33 am

I think Kalofer's on a sugar high. This game is frustrating. Scum must be skipping.

Amrun · Post Post #750 (isolation #106) » Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:55 am

That fits NS' meta that I have seen. Doesn't mean he's not scum, but the argument on him is weak -- very weak.

Amrun · Post Post #752 (isolation #107) » Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:27 pm

Are you sure that wasn't just a confirmation of action received...?

Amrun · Post Post #754 (isolation #108) » Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:03 pm

We asked for the RESULT of your action.

Amrun · Post Post #756 (isolation #109) » Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:21 pm

Not the full result... just what your results ARE. As in, we don't want to know who you stole from or what you stole, but how the results work, ie what you get as results etc.

Why would you think we wanted your "received" PM?

Amrun · Post Post #758 (isolation #110) » Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:27 pm

What is wrong with you, Kalofer?

Amrun · Post Post #765 (isolation #111) » Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:43 am

Kalofer, I never even said Hazard was scum. I said I want to determine his alignment. Durrhurr.

I'm just not trusting he's town.

I wanted to know what his results PM was like because he said it was one word and that he didn't know what things he stole, which makes no sense to me.

If we can determine what the results PM is like, then even if Hazard is town, we know what scum are getting back each night. Seems like a win/win to me.

What am I supposed to be taking a stance on?

Amrun · Post Post #770 (isolation #112) » Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:21 pm

Why don't I respect his desire to keep it a secret...? Why the hell SHOULD I respect it? He's half-revealed it anyway, as Hoppster just pointed out. What's stopping him from going the extra little bit I'm asking?

If he was town, there's NO REASON not to. It doesn't give scum anything they need to know -- only town.

So far, Hazard's reactions today have been EXTREMELY suspicious, but honestly, if he just gives a satisfactory answer to the one real question I'm asking of him, I'd probably be happy to leave him as a townread for now.

I have a right to ask things; he has the right to refuse; I have the right to have a scum read on it because of it.

As of now, still waiting to see if he will answer.

If he refuses, I'll probably vote for him, because there's simply no town motivation for that.

Amrun · Post Post #772 (isolation #113) » Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:06 pm

I didn't say you needed to say WHO you tried to steal from. In fact, I said not to do that. It's like you really don't read my posts at all.

You could have just said you targeted someone but did not successfully steal candy. Uuugh.

Question: why target Kalofer and not me, since it's out there now?

Amrun · Post Post #775 (isolation #114) » Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:09 pm

Actually, him saying he doesn't know what he was given means he was lying, because he didn't get ANYTHING because he targeted another zoo visitor.

I'm sorry if I was unclear about what I wanted, but I don't think I was. I was pretty clear about it, I think, though I am probably biased in this.

And Hazard, I accept your information and won't lynch you for now.

But if your goal was to get candy... Oh well. What's done is done.

What did your QT with Kalofer reveal to you? Any thoughts on that?

Amrun · Post Post #777 (isolation #115) » Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:54 pm

Well, he was lying. I don't think there's any way around it.

I think he was trying to get out of claiming the QT with Kalofer, which I can see a town PR doing. I'm not a LAL type.

I can see the "visitors" getting to chat, though it is strange that it's daytalk, imho.

Amrun · Post Post #787 (isolation #116) » Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:16 am

Hee hasn't gotten any candy, so how could he know he doesn't know what candy he's got?

Bad application of LAL, though.

Amrun · Post Post #790 (isolation #117) » Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:22 am

Kalofer, I'd like to hear your case on Hoppster.

Amrun · Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:31 am

I had a townread on hoppster anyway, but a townread on Kalofer (well, a more sure townread) clarifies some things.

I need to think.

Amrun · Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:37 am

Question for everyone: what do you think the ratio of town zoo visitors: candy animals: scum zoo visitors is?

Amrun · Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:03 am

Toasty, Hoppster and Kalofer I've had townreads on since D1. For the purposes of today, I won't be lynching either of them. Later in the game, things may change; we'll see.

So you're saying that Hoppster was lying about being a hider when Kalofer backed him up?

How does that make sense?

Zyrconium, you have done less scumhunting than me, so I'd appreciate it if you stopped flinging mud around like that.

I clearly have been scumhunting; all of my questions have purpose and I am not obigated to explain them.

You want a scumlist? You're on top of it.

VOTE: Zyrconium

I'm not ready to clear Hazard, though he probably shouldn't be lynched today so we can evaluate his choices tomorrow.

And for what it's worth, no one stole candy from me last night (or if they did, I am not aware) and I find that fact very strange.

Amrun · Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:44 pm

Toasty, of course I do. For the purpose's of today's lynch only, I have decided to go with the option I believe is most viable: that they are both town.

Amrun · Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:46 pm

Oh, and Zyrconium, I'm having a difficult time getting firm scum reads in this game for some reason. Scum's doing a good job of hiding.

Right now, I feel strongest about you, then:

NS
mb53
morthas

But not feeling as confident on those.

Nobody's answering my question. The most important part is how many town zoo visitors are we likely to have?

Amrun · Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:55 pm

Oh, and fair warning to the game, I'm ill and just started some strange concoction the doctors gave me that is making me loopy as fuck. I may not be able to evaluate my own incoherency for the next couple of days; feel free to point out if I say something completely out there as I might actually be in space at the time.

Amrun · Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:32 am

Who are you referring to in your previous post, Toasty?

Your muddle antecedents have me confused and I don't know which part to respond to.

Amrun · Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:35 am

Yes, but it may or may not be about me and my reads. I can't be sure, because if it is, then you called me "he" and "she" in the same post.

Amrun · Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:03 pm

Sudden? I had suspicions of Zyrconium from day 1. Deciding to place my vote there today didn't feel strange to me at all.

And I have decided to "write Kalofer and Hoppster off as town" because I've had townreads on them from the beginning of the game (with a small bit of waffle on Kalofer) and the information that came out today makes me more confident in those reads. How is having townreads odd? Everyone should have some townreads by this point.

Amrun · Post Post #824 (isolation #127) » Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:12 pm

No, I don't say, "He could be lying." I'm saying he definitely lied -- which he did. He said he successfully stole something but didn't know what he stole; this is untrue. I also that I could see why he would lie in that situation (to protect Kalofer as another zoo visitor).

My vote on Hazard was pressure and nothing more. I'm still not sure on him, but I'm content enough to leave him alive for today.

It's not rocket science and I'm not sure why it's so confusing to you.

When did I say I had a townread on you, Toasty? I did, yesterday, but today you've moved down to null.

Explain my play with scum motivation behind it, please.

Amrun · Post Post #825 (isolation #128) » Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:15 pm

Oh, and the fact Kalofer and Hoppster supposedly "confirmed each other" with their actions has little to nothing to do with my townreads on them. Kalofer was doubly confirmed by Hazard, for starters, and if either Kalofer or Hoppster had been scummy before, the "confirmation" wouldn't have mattered. As it happens, the claims made perfect sense with their day one and day two reads. Kalofer backed off TS after the claim and was vouching for Hazard before his claim today; Hoppster was trying to draw a kill yesterday.

Toasty's linking of me, Kalofer, and Hoppster as a possible scumteam is, quite frankly, ridiculous. I've never seen scum THAT stupid. It's possible that one of us is scum, but certainly not all three of us.

Toasty's case on Zyrconium is something I liked yesterday, but his poor reasoning today overall is making me uneasy.

Amrun · Post Post #827 (isolation #129) » Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:01 pm

I don't really view this as defensive, but I guess that's up to you.

I said my read on Kalofer waffled, which it did, near the end of D1. But after I re-read him after the zoo visitor claim, it all made sense. If you do the same, it should for you as well.

So basically your entire case is that you think I'm too quick to get townreads? Am I reading that right?

Amrun · Post Post #829 (isolation #130) » Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:38 pm

Well, #825 goes to fairly extensive lengths to explain, without making a full "towncase" with post quotes and such. I refuse to do more than that, as it's generally unwise to do so.

So I'm happy to help you clear up any issues you have with me, but that particular issue will have to be satisfied with the posts on the subject I've already made because I'm not willing to elaborate.

Amrun · Post Post #861 (isolation #131) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:00 pm

ISOed Stels, eyes glazed over.

VOTE: Stels

Amrun · Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:27 pm

Happy birthday, vezok.

Amrun · Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:19 pm

Anyone else feeling like this wagon went too smoothly?

Amrun · Post Post #879 (isolation #134) » Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:05 pm

That's your long-promised catch up post? THAT'S IT?

Amrun · Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:16 pm

I'm bored.

Anyone else opposed to a hammer from mb or otherwise?

I'm feeling good about the Stels lynch with the abysmal defence and the push for an easy lynch on lurky cp.

Amrun · Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:14 am

For waiting on a claim?

Yes, I'm open to a claim.

In general, what I meant was, after a claim, as long as we all still agree he's a scumbag, do we have to fart around for another week, or can we just hammer please?

Amrun · Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:15 am

And the reason I say that is because if his claim is convincing enough / he comes up with a stellar defense, we still have time to build a new wagon, IF Stels claims soon, which I am trying to promote.

Amrun · Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:55 am

vezokpiraka wrote:If he was town he would've claimed long ago. He is just stalling now.

Yes, basically this. How long are we going to wait around for a claim that doesn't seem to be coming?

Exactly.

Amrun · Post Post #890 (isolation #139) » Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:29 am

I didn't mean yet. It was actually a question, like HOW LONG do we want to wait? I say no mare than 48 hours since the vote count that confirmed him at L-1.

Amrun · Post Post #893 (isolation #140) » Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:37 am

Okay, then, assuming Hazard and NS post -- I see the merit of this -- then 48 hours, yes?

I hope to see a claim in that time frame, but I feel more confident about the Stels lynch now and it is my personal opinion that if he has not yet claimed, he probably won't. I hope he does. We'll see.

Mostly I just feel like the game is stalling and a flip will revitalize it and we can come back next game day with fresh faces and (hopefully) a scum flip to analyze.

Amrun · Post Post #897 (isolation #141) » Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:32 am

So you'll lynch anybody ... For any reason at all?

Amrun · Post Post #899 (isolation #142) » Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:09 am

You heavily implied it. You were asked several times what you thought of the Hazard claim and instead of answering, you say you'd lynch him for LAL when his lie was small and understandable and his claim is pertinent.

Amrun · Post Post #905 (isolation #143) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:27 am

I do believe 48 hairs from the first L-1 vc will be tonight at 4ish am.
Lemme check.

Amrun · Post Post #906 (isolation #144) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:29 am

Noooo it's Thursday night. QQ

Amrun · Post Post #907 (isolation #145) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:31 am

Nvm, I forgot the board is set to UTC time. I'm an idiot.

Should be approx 16 hrs from now.

Amrun · Post Post #931 (isolation #146) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:55 pm

So what do, town?

Amrun · Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:42 am

Wow, good point.

VT not having candy lololol.

Lynch it with fire.

Amrun · Post Post #938 (isolation #148) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:48 am

His name implies he's a candy animal.

Yet he has no candy.

I say lynch it with fire.

Amrun · Post Post #940 (isolation #149) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:40 am

Okay.

Alternative lynch, then?

I need to do re-read for Stels buddies, but I've no time atm.

Amrun · Post Post #944 (isolation #150) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:44 am

I really don't care. Either NS or Hazard lynch sounds fine to me, personally.

NS maybe because we don't have his claim. Advantage of Hazard: no need to wait for his claim.

Amrun · Post Post #947 (isolation #151) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:42 am

I agree, but if we're going to test stels, what's the point of killing both claimed zoo visitors?

We could agree to have Hazard claim results first, then Kalofer can either agree or confirm scum.

Amrun · Post Post #948 (isolation #152) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:44 am

Wait, if they kill or) Kalofer that lan is shit. :/ Nvm.

VOTE: hazard

Amrun · Post Post #954 (isolation #153) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:07 am

Eh.

I've been thinking about it.

I agree with vezok.

It's too much WIFOM. We can't trust it.

We might as well lynch Stels today to get probscum.

VOTE: Stels

Amrun · Post Post #956 (isolation #154) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:13 am

For a minute I thought that was the hammer and got prepared for awesomeness.

I trolled myself.

Amrun · Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:20 am

AWESOMENESS WOO YEAH

Amrun · Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:24 am

I'm still at a loss why no one visited me n1. Seems like a no-brainer... I don't think anyone did.

Amrun · Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:35 am

Idk if I would know or not, but no one claimed to have visited me.

I didn't mention it d2 because i didn't want to plant ideas. I wanted to see what Hazard would say.

Then when he claimed Kalofer I didn't know what to think of that. And Kalofer claimed you and I was just like "..."

Amrun · Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:47 am

So what are your conclusions from that, Zyrconium?

I may try to do some VCA in a bit, but I've never done it before so I'm a little nervous to screw up.

Amrun · Post Post #988 (isolation #159) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:06 pm

Why did you decide to visit Zyrconium?

Why didn't you target me either night?

Amrun · Post Post #989 (isolation #160) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:09 pm

Zyrconium, were you aware that you were stolen from?

Amrun · Post Post #991 (isolation #161) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:23 pm

Why would you choose at random?

Why not choose me, whom you know has candy?

Did you have any thoughts about Zyrconium's alignment before this? Do you have any now?

Amrun · Post Post #994 (isolation #162) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:58 pm

Do you think Zyrconium is town, then, Hazard?

Amrun · Post Post #996 (isolation #163) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:46 pm

So do we think candy animals can't be scum?

I am inclined to think so, but if we are wrong, we might be truly fucked.

Amrun · Post Post #997 (isolation #164) » Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:49 pm

Also, I'm fairly certain VV just committed Amished's scumtell. Not sure if troll.

Amrun · Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:59 am

Bad people are after our goodies (candy). So maybe to win, scum has to collect one of each of a set of a candy. I don't know what comprises the set, but from VV's post, it seems possible.

Amrun · Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:15 am

Yes, but that's irrelevant to what I was actually saying. Town can do something with candy; scum can do something with candy. We know this.

I'm just saying that in light of VV's insight, perhaps scum's wincon has something to do with candy rather than surviving.

Amrun · Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:10 am

Zyrconium, please tell us if you have been targetted!

Amrun · Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:47 am

I'm feeling sweet about a cp lynch.

But then again, I did for Stels, too.

Amrun · Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:14 pm

But can we afford to bring cp into lylo?

Amrun · Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:25 pm

Hazard: I value brevity. Also post on my phone mostly.

Toasty: Yes, but I find the two are coinciding in cp. I'd love to see more cp content, though.

Amrun · Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:23 am

What? Can you try being clear instead of making vague posts that mean nothing, vezok?

I'm not scum. Why is mothras scum?

Amrun · Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:19 am

Might as well put my money where my mouth is.

VOTE: cp

Amrun · Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:06 pm

crazypianist1116 wrote:Oh hey prodded again. I thought I had till this morning, since it hasn't been 3 days since day 3 started.

Counting down until prod?

Re-affirm vote

Amrun · Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:19 am

Hazard: I must have glazed over when you placed Zyrc as scummy after you told me he was town. Why did you say he was scummy?

Hoppster: a little bit the vca, a little bit seeing what reaction I'd get (answer: terrible), a lot a bit gut, about cp.

Confused about Hazard and therefore Zyrconium. He passed the "scum looking for easy candy in Amrun" test, but if he's town, he's bad town. If he's town, I feel like he just cleared Zyrconium, though Zyrconium was individually scummy.

I'm kind of feeling like we should lynch Zyrconium and if he's scum, think a lot ore about Hazard.

Amrun · Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:42 pm

Zyrconium, what are you implying? Yeah, I rephrased the role PM, so I wouldn't get modkilled.

Hazard, explain the evolution of your read on Zyrconium, please.

Amrun · Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:58 pm

Yes... You have professed several different reads of him, and I'd like yyou to explain your thought process regarding him.

Amrun · Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:27 pm

The implication that they were after particular goodies had 0% to do with the topic of conversation at the time.

So, once again: what are you trying to imply?

Amrun · Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:28 pm

Oh, and:

I will be scarce this weekend; I can post to react to things, but don't expect in-depth analysis.

Amrun · Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:18 am

Hoppster's case is good, and yet I still have a hard time attri buting those things to scum in this case. Still stuck in the dilemma of "dumb or scum?"

Zyrconium scuming it up with him makes the probability of hazard scum higher.

Yet, if we lynch Hazard and he is town, we may be truly fucked.

Amrun · Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:54 am

Yes, I'm saying hazard and zyrc could be scum together. Are scum incapable of comprehending logic now?

Amrun · Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:43 am

Come on, guys. We need to get our shit together.

Amrun · Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:12 am

Why vote for someone you think is town? What's wrong with the cp list?

Amrun · Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:56 am

You vote for VEZOK?!

Come on.

Vezok is obviously town.

Lynch cp with fire. We really, seriously, can't bring that to LyLo.

Amrun · Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:40 am

If we assume 3 scum (which I don't know, but it's standard), we are now at 7 v 3.

We mislynch today and it's 5 v 3 tomorrow, unless another kill is prevented.

We mislynch again again and we lose, unless another kill is prevented.

So assuming all the night kills go through, we have one mislynch with three scum.

That's ... really not good. :/

Shit.

Amrun · Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:38 pm

Agreed. We just can't take cp to lylo, and there's a fairly good chance she's scum.

Amrun · Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:32 pm

Vezok.

Amrun · Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:38 am

I ALSO think cp is scum. It's not only LyLo.

Would also lynch Zyrconium.

Amrun · Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:27 am

But you had him as null and others as leaning scum only days ago...

Amrun · Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:56 am

But your reasons for voting him mostly come from things he did before you posted that.

Amrun · Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:28 am

Cp's in the lead. Gogogo.

Amrun · Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:10 pm

You're not contributing anything either.

Amrun · Mon May 02, 2011 7:50 am

crazypianist1116 wrote:
Amrun wrote:But your reasons for voting him mostly come from things he did before you posted that.

correct again!

MEANING: basically nothing happened between your jump from "null" to "scum," meaning the jump is quite scummy.

Amrun · Wed May 04, 2011 9:18 am

Also tell us if you have goodies, cp.

Amrun · Fri May 06, 2011 7:00 am

My exams are over guys. I just don't have much to say. We need Pine content and cp votes.

Amrun · Sat May 07, 2011 8:41 am

This game is frustrating.

Amrun · Sun May 08, 2011 2:46 am

Morthas has done more than cp and at least shows evidence of reading carefully.

Amrun · Sun May 08, 2011 5:30 am

Amrun · Mon May 30, 2011 6:56 am

You played well d1 especially, Hoppster. D5 was brutal, though.

I had fun and really enjoyed the set up. Any game about cute animals I gravitate to.

GG

Amrun · Mon May 30, 2011 8:28 am

vezokpiraka wrote:If you're cute in RL I will gravitate towards game you play in

Is that directed at me? o.O