Open 304 - Hard Boiled, Game Over. Was DY's Dystopia saved?

[Amrun]

Can we post in the meantime?

[Amrun]

VOTE: helloonewman

For telling me how to spend mother's day.

[Amrun]

The case on chesskid is shit.

[Amrun]

unvote; vote nameloc

74 is incredibly scummy. How could you forget you didn't softclaim?

[Amrun]

Why would anyone even think that? My vote stays.

[Amrun]

Deity's most recent posts makes kittens cry.

[Amrun]

VOTE: nameloc1989

I intensely dislike this rule.

[Amrun]

What do you mean, RC?

I had voted nameloc before, but apparently it didn't count because I didn't put "nameloc1989," ie I left out the 1989.

I was correcting my vote.

[Amrun]

VOTE: helloonewman

For telling me how to spend mother's day.

And apparently my RVS vote didn't count because I only had 2 L's and 2 O's, which is so patently ridiculous that I have to protest because I don't want to spendtherest of the game with my vote not counting because I missed a letter or something.

[Amrun]

nameloc thought he softclaimed as detective when he had done nothing of the sort. How can that come from town?

[Amrun]

Then where is your vote?

[Amrun]

Aw, fuck my life. Secretly dyslexic turning I?

VOTE: nameloc1986

My boyfriend was born in 1989 is the real reason.

Surye, you'll have to switch too.

Exactly why ths rule is bollocks.

[Amrun]

Did I not tell this game I was traveling and would be sparse?

(If I didn't, I meant to, which shows how attentive I've been.)

As an answer to your question about suspects, my most concrete read as far as scum goes is nameloc.

I didn't like nameloc's attack on chesskid, which I did comment on even if I didn't say nameloc's name. And then I didn't like the whole softclaiming business... I didn't like it A LOT. I don't see anyone able to explain how that could have come from town. (Maybe DH wants to take a gander?)

I have also expressed suspicion on Deity Kabuto.

At this point, everyone else is varying degrees of null to town. I have some thoughts on some null reads, but I think observing before expressing will be more fruitful there.

Succintness is not anti-town, sss. I generally post a lot of one-liners until I have a substantial case to post. I also got "called out" on short posts in CryMeARiver's recent Open, Follow the Cop ... Or Not (see link in wiki). I was town.

Rest assured that within the next several days when I am done travelling, you will see something more subtantial.

[Amrun]

This is chess-town. Shame on me if I have been fooled.

[Amrun]

Hmm.

Okay.

I still don't like nameloc's push on chesskid, but I re-read the ISO in light of his clarification and I think I can see where he was coming from. I misinterpreted.

Then I read Surye becaiuse she seheeped my flawed case.

Surye wins the new scum award.

[unvote; Vote: Surye]

I'm not ready to call nameloc town, but I'll drop him to null.

Deity Kabuto still suspicious, but I'm stuck at "dumb or scum?"

[Amrun]

Okay, perhaps sheeping wasn't the best word there.

Either way, I think you agreed with me too easily in light of me being mistaken in the first place.

P-edit: I also disagree with the use of the word straw man, but still find the post it wasapplied to scummy.

[Amrun]

Toffee just attacked someone for analyzing an attack on another player.

I'm going to join in:

...

[Amrun]

I think DK/toffee connection is stronger. Not sure I see Surye as a third if those two do indeed turn out to be scum.

I want to vote toffee but I don't know what the VC is. I'll check and come back.

[Amrun]

Unvote; Vote: toffee

This should be 4 for toffee.

@Mod: Can we get more frequent votecounts?

[Amrun]

Why did you just claim?

Ugh.

[Amrun]

WHY IS THIS HAPPENING

[Amrun]

Let's just lynch toffee, okay guys?! Okay?

Then this madness can end in a scum lynch.

[Amrun]

I am not fine with Empking dying. I don't really care whether he lives or dies in general, but it is one of the least informative lynches proposed today.

[Amrun]

I am not fine with Empking dying. I don't really care whether he lives or dies in general, but it is one of the least informative lynches proposed today.

I'm guessing this is the wrong game.

Yes.... >.>

My apologies, all.

[Amrun]

No, I thinkshe was trying to sacrifice herself to save her scumbuddy.

[Amrun]

Yes. I think DK is bordering on VI, whereas toffee is not. Well, maybe that's a bit harsh, but suffice it to say I think that DK thinks that toffee is a stronger player. Together, though, they are dropping associative tells like mad. Lynch one and I bet the other dies tonight one way or another if the lynchee does indeed flip scum.

And as I stated earlier, I don't see Surye as a third if these are indeed a scumpair.

Surye is independently scummy, but I see no link, and toffee did some shenanigans that supported the Surye wagon over DK.

That's why I want to lynch toffee over DK. It tells us something about DK AND Surye.

[Amrun]

lololololol

[Amrun]

Okay, I'm willing to lynch DK for that.

Unvote; Vote: Deity Kabuto

We need more mod in this thread.

P-edit: who is scum on it, chesskid? I disagree.

[Amrun]

I think it's a culmination of all the things DK has done.

Personally, I'd still rather lynch tofee. I'm just tired of dithering and they're neck and neck in the scummy race.

[Amrun]

Between toffee or DK: do you think one, both, or neither are scum?

Which is the better lynch?

For the purpose of this question assume we are not lynching Surye today.

[Amrun]

Guys, if that was the hammer, I apologize.

I really did not intend to end the day.

Hence why I requested more votecounts at least once or twice.

I should have done one myself before placing a vote.

Deity Kabuto, if you are town, step up your game, and step it up now, before the mod gets her and locks the thread.

[Amrun]

I thought there were more votes still on toffee at the time.

I honestly don't care if I hammered DK, who is probscum.

But I do think there was more meat on the bone in this game day and I am annoyed that I may have hammered on accident.

[Amrun]

ITT: Deity Kabuto admits to OMGUS.

DK, do you really think two people buddying up in a game are likely to bth be scum?

Your case is bad, but it's effort. Why did it take a hammer to get that from you? If you were town, the point is to avoid a lynch and lynch scum - annd even if you are town, there will be good that comes from your wagon. That's why townies don't usually get "offended" at wagons on them; that's more of a scum trait.

[Amrun]

I got frustrated and posted something about it in the open game thread. >.>

[Amrun]

You have five names listed for dk, but 4 votes.

Thanks so much for your time.

[Amrun]

Whoever counted was wrong, I guess.

[Amrun]

UNVOTE: Deity Kabuto

VOTE: toffee

Toffee is the money wagon.

[Amrun]

Wait... scum killed chesskid? Surye was a likely mislynch, so that was probably vig. Scum killed chesskid, when his scumdar was leading him astray?!

Hider Tracker, claim in your first post. We really need your result.

[Amrun]

Um, HT does have a scum result. Otherwise, I would not advocate him coming out.

Obviously, there is a small chance DG hid behind the vig, but that's unlikely and if that happens, they'll just both have to claim. It's worth it.

VOTE: toffee

[Amrun]

I seriously doubt it. But if that happened, obviously the ht shouldn't come out.

[Amrun]

Make a case on Red Coyote and Newman, muffin.

I don't see it.

[Amrun]

I wasn't, actually. Go ahead with your bad self, though.

[Amrun]

I wasn't on every wagon anyway. He's flat up lying.

I've been thinking, though, looking through Chess' history.

He suspected Surye most, but also Scott Brosius and toffee.

Scott Brosius has been wholly unimpressive, but CK was really the only one to express suspicion.


But you're new here, zmuffin, so you don't understand how weird a chesskid nk is in this situation. He is ... not popular, among many, and sometimes policy lynched, though I think he has good scumdar and don't agree with that.

But perhaps they were thinking he really was the vig after his shenanigans about it yesterday.

[Amrun]

At that point, the last vote count was closer. OUR MOD FLAKED. WE HAD NO VOTE COUNT FOR LIKE 2 WEEKS.

I drove the nameloc wagon and dissolved it myself when I realized I didn't like it. I voted for Surye briefly, and toffee, who is my top suspect. And DeityKabuto, who was acting like a complete clown.

I moved my vote around to find which wagons I liked and which suspects I liked. Get over it. It's not a scumtell.

If I didn't like a wagon, I said so, like with the chesskid wagon, which was always shit.

[Amrun]

I never said I didn't want DK lynched. I did, and I said as much. I didn't mean to end the day, though. As it turned out, our mod had flaked so we got plenty of time.

And yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think scum was pr-hunting with chesskid. He did a good job faking them out, though.

[Amrun]

I just felt bad that I did it without notification and giving him/her/it time to get his final reads out, etc.

But we had time anyway, so it didn't matter.

[Amrun]

I didn't know it was the hammer. I would have been fine if I'd just said, "This is the hammer." Why wouldn't I have done that, if I had known, for either alignment?

I clearly don't care that DK was lynched. I was voting to achieve a lynch at that point. I still preferred toffee but it was clear not as many people did.

You're saying I'm pointing out good things and then voting for me and it doesn't add up.

What about toffee? Didn't you suspect him?


Agree about muffin's weirdness, though.

[Amrun]

I'm trying so hard to care about this game. SO HARD.

It's not really working.

[Amrun]

I'm the Vig.

I shot Surye.

I totally forgot he claimed. :/ I almost shot toffee but then I thought the hider would hide behind toffee and thought we might get two scum today.

I remembered the claim right before day opened up again but it was too late.

I apologize for my shitty play this game. I lost interest halfway through yesterday and I can't bring myself to find it again.

Lynch me or not. If you do, then I don't have to worry about this game anymore.

If you don't, hopefully my shot won't suck as much tonight.

[Amrun]

I am going to buckle down and play properly. But if I am not CC'ed, which I won't be unless scum try to get cheeky, then the choice is obvious.

[Amrun]

Scott was right to come out. It's just unfortunate that I'm vig and not scum.

[Amrun]

I don't care if they believe me or not. It's true either way.

I'm embarrassed enough to admit it, after shooting Surye after a claim and FORGETTING about it. :/

That's how I knew chess was the scumkill, btw. I slipped up and the scum probably caught that so I was dead anyway.

[Amrun]

What was I supposed to do? Let myself be lynched as vig? Lol

[Amrun]

Scott, don't be so retarded. I haven't been CC'ed. Because I am the vig.

[Amrun]

Everyone has posted, so yes, it does mean no cc.

I understand that you all don't trust me and that's fine, but it's pretty clear I'm not the lynch for today.

If you don't like the case on RC, make one on someone else.

Even if toffee and RC are both scum, there's still one more.e

[Amrun]

Wait, who are we missing then? I was pretty sure everyone did.

[Amrun]

Oh, wait for him then. Whatevs.

[Amrun]

I can see the case on RC. It's quite good, actually.

[Amrun]

VOTE: don_johnson

Those vote hops are terrible. If he doesn't die today, I'm shooting him tonight.

[Amrun]

LloNewman, you may have been dropped on your head.

If I had not claimed, I would have been lynched nno question.

Even if I die tonight, I'll still kill someone.

Are you quite sure you know how this game works?

[Amrun]

I won't be shooting red.

I initially read your switch to me as a protection of redcoyote, but red's defense was good. It swayed me. He noticed the exact thing about you I noticed and also about Newman.

If RC is scum, he's bussing one of his buddies (you) and possibly one more, but likely ssbf would be the other, if so.

Not totally convinced rc isn't scum, but I'd rather see a don lynch today.

I'll be shooting one of toffee or don tonight, regardless.

[Amrun]

All that post said to me was: "I did not even try to read red's posts today."

If red were OMGUSing, he'd vote for muffin.

[Amrun]

I still don't buy your explanation of your switch to me.

If it didn't mae sense, why switch?

[Amrun]

Getting a mislynch on me, buddying conftown Scott Brosius, moving a lynch off of your scumbuddy RC. Any of the above.

I need to think some more and re-read some things.

[Amrun]

I still think you make sense as scum.

I'm okay with an rc lynch today even though he's likely town because it will tell us several things and bring us closer to finding scum.

Toffee lynch = best

[Amrun]

Unvote; Vote toffee

[Amrun]

Why would I quickhammer RC when I do not think RC is scum?

[Amrun]

Scott, I already explained how and why RC's defense swayed me in posts that came after that - so yes.

SSS: Obviously, the idea is that we lynch scum, hence me not voting for RC. But if that lynch does happen today, it wouldn't be the worst lynch possible.

Scum to town:

Toffee
Don
HN
RC
SSS
Zmuff
Scott

[Amrun]

So many entirely unuseful posts from HN.

[Amrun]

Scott: He noticed the same things I noticed about toffee day 1, iirc, and as I said today, he noticed the same things I found scummy in both don and Hello Newman. I also think he defended satisfactorily against the valid points brought against him.

I have posted my scum/town list, so you can see exactly where I stand on things. I think the scumteam is toffee/don/HN. If one of those is wrong, RC falls into the slot that was wrong, as things stand right now.

Assuming toffee does not get lynched today and that a replacement isn't found that somehow turns the slot around, I will be shooting toffee tonight.

[Amrun]

Are you guys serious? The vig kill was Surye, which I have explained several times. It was terrible because I totally forgot he claimed. :/

[Amrun]

For Don: This is the point that RC pointed out that I noticed myself about you that helped me convince myself that RC should not be lynched today. I don't know why you assert that RC did not present any points against you except "don is slick," when that is patently false. Misrep much?

I'm not voting don today unless you find a better reason than him being slick and possibly buddying me.

You're a very literal guy, you know that? No, but this is actually pretty reasonable of you. Of course I don't expect you to just accept that he's scum because I told you so. My head is working a mile a minute trying to rethink this game over again. I would tell you though, since you seem interested, to look back over don's little vote jumping today from me to Amrun and back again. That's just him trying to assess which "town faction", for lack of a better term, will get him the quickest mislynch. He thought that Amrun might actually get it for a second.

He's virtually guaranteed to be scum at this point. He's the one common denominator in almost everyone suspicions.

If it's not a RC lynch today, it's a toffee lynch.

Does not compute.

But I agree with the point that toffee would probably be an easier lynch to coalesce around. It will just keep the scumteam a little bit stronger going into tomorrow is all, but I understand I'm speaking from a position of being, in your eyes, the more likely scum candidate than don is. Honestly I was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek with you when I said don was slicker than toffee. I didn't mean that in the sense that those should be valid grounds with which

you

would cast a vote against him for. I was answering more along the lines of why

I

was voting don over toffee, not why you should (although you're welcome to take my word for it).

[Amrun]

It was not after the face.

Your "need" to unvote was to look pro-town when it was obvious your buddies weren't going to come in and hammer.

But I also don't want to shoot you tonight. I perhaps should have placed HN over you in my list.

Also, please vote for toffee.

[Amrun]

Last minute change, in case anyone pulls anything sneaky.

Will shoot HN tonight if toffee is lynched.

[Amrun]

When did I ever say you are a lurker? You're not.

You did, however, buddy DH day 1. More importantly, all of your reactions today have come off as horrendously fake.

[Amrun]

:/

We can totally vote and do majority on my shot >.>

But with 3 scum alive, not sure if it is a good idea.

People can express preference, though. I'll take it all under advisement.

[Amrun]

gg all

I feel less bad about killing Surye since there was no action submitted anyway.

Still, sorry about that, everyone. x.x

[Amrun]

Thank you SO MUCH for stepping in. You did a good job.

I feel bad about my play day 1 / night 1 especially. I knew the mod was flaking and we had Deity distracting everyone with terrible play, an I just ... lost interest. It cost town dearly.

I know tracker was the safer choice, but I wanted to be a rockstar. >.>

Plus, in the last HardBoiled I played, the vig shot the ONLY SCUM KILLED ALL GAME on n1.


Is this really the first hard boiled town has ever won?

[Amrun]

gg all

I feel less bad about killing Surye since there was no action submitted anyway.

Still, sorry about that, everyone. x.x

Which is strange, since I could have swore I did. The mod mix up was unfortunate.

Understandable.

Sorry about that.

CHESSKID I WAS SHEEPING YOU

[Amrun]

I know tracker was the safer choice, but I wanted to be a rockstar. >.>

Plus, in the last HardBoiled I played, the vig shot the ONLY SCUM KILLED ALL GAME on n1.


Is this really the first hard boiled town has ever won?

AFAIK, yes, this is the first Hard Boiled that town has won. At least, all the games listed on the Hard Boiled wiki page ended with scum wins.

And the less that is spoken about that last Hard Boiled game, the better.

I just think vig is an overrated and overused PR.

WELL THEN

WE'RE CLEARLY AWESOME

AND WE SHOULD FEEL AMAZING

BECAUSE WE ARE


Sorry, don. I just thought your suspicion of RC and muffin was scummy. After a couple of more posts, I realized it must be smash, though.

[Amrun]

Not my shining hour, this game.

A 1-shot jk ability would be interesting, but isn't this already scum-sided?

[Amrun]

Sorry for quickhammering and leading to that. It was a legitimate accident.

[Amrun]

I let annoyance at DK get in the way. I always said toffee was the best d1 lynch and let blundering play distract me. I lost interest and just wanted it to stop. My bad all around.

Dy, pre-/in me for Community. Love it. I'm maxed out right now, but t will be awhile before it starts, right?

P-edit: and I sheeped your Surye read, too. Woops.

[Amrun]

Apologies, DK. I see that you're trying to improve, though, and I wish you well. Everybody is new at some point.

[Amrun]

Maybe if the scum lose their kill for the night, it'll work nicely.

Agree.