Starcraft Mafia Mini 1210 (Over)

[kiwieagle]

RAYNORS RAIDERS!
GOGOOGOGGO!

anyways
VOTE: Vifam


I c u everywhere!

[kiwieagle]

RQS. Partially to get all the Starcraft talk out of the way now, and partially to allow for some analysis of how you typically type.

Do you play Starcraft/Starcraft II?

Yes. But never the campaign, and raynor is from the campaign.

If yes:
What's your favorite race in game?

Protoss

If you were a character, which would you be? (This has 100% nothing to do with your role, don't name claim)

Idk

Ready for Heart of the Swarm?

nope

If no:
Do you like puppies? (got to have something in here for any non-Starcraft players - lol)

For all:
How much experience do you have playing Mafia?
Anything else you want to say?

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My Answers:

I played Starcraft and currently play Starcraft II.
I roll with Protoss. 4 gate --> expand --> robo --> win
Zeratul
OMG Yes

I've played Mafia for two months or so. I have one completed game on this site and four completed on another site. Playing in a total of six games right now (don't worry about activity, I'm good with that), with two of those approaching completion.

[kiwieagle]

Do you play Starcraft/Starcraft II?
No and probably never will.

If no:
Do you like puppies? (got to have something in here for any non-Starcraft players - lol)
Of course.

For all:
How much experience do you have playing Mafia?

Wiki...

Anything else you want to say?
I like monkeys too.
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VOTE: Morthas - setting me up for this theme that I know nothing about >:(

but starcraft is a great game!

[kiwieagle]

That or I am interested and would like to have those answers for future reference.

Spoiler: Oh look here

RQS. Partially to get all the Starcraft talk out of the way now, and partially to allow for some analysis of how you typically type.

Do you play Starcraft/Starcraft II?

Yes. But never the campaign, and raynor is from the campaign.

If yes:
What's your favorite race in game?

Protoss

If you were a character, which would you be? (This has 100% nothing to do with your role, don't name claim)

Idk

Ready for Heart of the Swarm?

nope

If no:
Do you like puppies? (got to have something in here for any non-Starcraft players - lol)

For all:
How much experience do you have playing Mafia?
Anything else you want to say?

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My Answers:

I played Starcraft and currently play Starcraft II.
I roll with Protoss. 4 gate --> expand --> robo --> win
Zeratul
OMG Yes

I've played Mafia for two months or so. I have one completed game on this site and four completed on another site. Playing in a total of six games right now (don't worry about activity, I'm good with that), with two of those approaching completion.

So you want to know how much experience he has in mafia? Why not just do that yourself and click his name and see almost every game he played in. Not that hard >_>
I fail to see how you are 1.

desperate

for someone to 2.

answer a questionas useless as that

.

Uh, do you expect me to look for his posts in various games? Why are still on this?
His wiki is empty, no links in hindsight.
Desperate? That is exaggeration if i had ever seen any. Why would you exaggerate over something so simple and calm? Maybe it's because you don't like how your attempt in creating suspicion around me had created this potential of backfiring at you. I can see more scum motivation in this than town.
VOTE: Stels
2. Useless? I already explained my reasoning behind asking kiwi for an answer, it is NOT useless.

What does my wiki being empty have to do with you not finding earlier games?
and
What question?

[kiwieagle]

Hello everyone~~ Especially the people who I know

Do you play Starcraft/Starcraft II?
I did a while ago.

What's your favorite race in game?
Uh, Zerg.... i think.

If you were a character, which would you be?
Banelings baneling banelings ooohh~~~ Like a deadly green landmine~~ mine~

Ready for Heart of the Swarm?
Yup, tent and all.

For all:
How much experience do you have playing Mafia?
Anything else you want to say?
Around 5 games or so.
Playing 3 games currently so my activity may be lower than usual i promise to try though.

VOTE: Evil
1. You sneaky bastard. (Reference to our last game)
2.

BANDWAGONZ

3. I always vote for Evil.
Three reasons enuf?

oh these?

kk

[kiwieagle]

Morthas:

1. You are overreacting.


2. What does me not having a wiki have to do with you not finding my past game?

3. Also Vifam just stepped in and said "town v town " when the figjht was barely begining and you fif not have enough info to conclude that <~ gives me bad vibes

[kiwieagle]

unvote

VOTE: morthas

Also;

EPWOP: fight was begining and you did

[kiwieagle]

And to answer your questions;
I dont remember exactly. Maybe 3 games.

[kiwieagle]

Vote:Morthas for having three reasons for an RVS vote

Who said it's random? 3 reasons = genuine.

...... touche
UNVOTE: Morthas

The whole thing with Vifam saying town v town doesnt seem like it means much this early in the game

@kiwiwagle- why would you vote morthas for some stupid argument about your wiki, when you just said you are getting bad vibes from Vifam saying the argument between Stels and Morthas

is town v town

?

Edit to my post is in bold above.

If you vote someone its because you think hes scummier.

Isnt that obvious?

[kiwieagle]

Can you explain why you think he's scummier?

All he's done is question why you didn't answer my original question. He was just looking for you to answer the same questions that everyone else is.

What question "does everyone want me to answer"?

[kiwieagle]

The whole thing with Vifam saying town v town doesnt seem like it means much this early in the game

You just have to remember that only scum would know for certain who is town...

@Kiwi I presume the RQS questions he posed in the beginning.

I answered it?

[kiwieagle]

Can you explain why you think he's scummier?

All he's done is question why you didn't answer my original question. He was just looking for you to answer the same questions that everyone else is.

What question "does everyone want me to answer"?

I said that everyone else was answering the question, not that they all wanted you to answer it.

And it was just the question about experience.

Can you explain why you think he's scummy?

I think I did.


And your question made it seem your saying:

He was waiting for me to answer the question everyone else is

like everyone else is "waiting" for the answer

[kiwieagle]

Only scum is ubermad when wagoned.

[kiwieagle]

Only scum is ubermad when wagoned.

That....wasn't....serious. Don't make me think of you as a VI please.

[kiwieagle]

Ubermad.
On another note, where are Acronach, HellloooNewman, kondi2424, avasthearties?
Lurkers, stop lurking!

He did call avas a lurker at one point. It's his Iso #9.

@Avas - why put someone at L-2 for discussion? That only promotes us wagoning you as opportunistic scum. Wouldn't it make more sense to ISO everyone and find something to build an actual case on? Hopping on a joke wagon in RVS is fine, but not when it puts them at L-2. Someone unvote please.

I still dont know how you can call someone lurker in page 3 tho

[kiwieagle]

VOTE: Vote:Acronach for not even confirming yet.

huh



you expect him to confirm because....


....



you voted him?




Guys Achronach is gonna get replaced
stop wasting your time.

[kiwieagle]

also Morthas do they let you play LoL at work ?

[kiwieagle]

just realized I unvoted Acronach twice... kiwi referenced a post from further back than i expected and forgot that I had unvoted

[kiwieagle]

Using meta as a defense is bad.

[kiwieagle]

But you dont strike me as scum tbh *shrug*

[kiwieagle]

more like confused town

[kiwieagle]

Stels vs Morthaz is town v town.

My last game me and my scumbuddy fought alot, and the 3rd one always said this.


Im not calling them scum buts when I read it, it gave me a deja vu

This wagon on Morthas is bad.

*sigh* Well this game is pretty much stagnant in terms of discussion, so for the sake of drumming some up UNVOTE: VOTE: Morthas for being kind of a douche and also calling me a lurker for not having posted in 24 hours. Frankly, there hasn't been much to post on, as Newman said. Well now there is. I believe Morthas is at L-2. Discuss.

Except he wasn't talking to you specifically.


UNVOTE:
VOTE: Avas

Here she defends Morthas, which gave me bad vibes due to my earlier suspicion and tries to start a counter wagon.

Vote:Morthas

for having three reasons for an RVS vote

Explain. Should he have more, or less? And why?

luuuuul. Psyche is town. But stupid.

I don't get the joke either.

Here she passively-supports against the lynch of Morthas.





















Her 3 "nonRVS" posts only deflect suspicion from Morthas.

unvote

VOTE: Vifam

[kiwieagle]

From this fight, gb is the scummier of the two tbh.


But I would still prefer a Vifam lynch.

[kiwieagle]

From this fight, gb is the scummier of the two tbh.


But I would still prefer a Vifam lynch.

Reasons?

I have given.

[kiwieagle]

Wouldnt be suprised if Vifam flips scum, Morthas is the scumbuddy.

[kiwieagle]

Stop with the meta guys :l

[kiwieagle]

Stop with the meta guys :l

He did it first!!

And your attack on Vifam is weak. Change your vote.

Psyche- You are right, I went through the games I have posted and in these games I was not playing as I claimed I did. I remember people complaining about it in my past, I assumed it was on this forum, as this is where I have played most of my games. I have played in other locations, however I am not sure where they are, because I played on them because I browse forums and may sign up if I see a theme I like or for other similar reasons. Sorry for wasting you're time with the meta search.

So...I'll just accept this untouchable position at face value and unvote.

...Or not.

Don't worry, you didn't waste my time with a meta search; you helped us find you! And that's all I could ever wish for.

Except for other people to post more...

Whats your attack?
Rewq has a bad memory?

[kiwieagle]

Stop with the meta guys :l

He did it first!!

And your attack on Vifam is weak. Change your vote.

Psyche- You are right, I went through the games I have posted and in these games I was not playing as I claimed I did. I remember people complaining about it in my past, I assumed it was on this forum, as this is where I have played most of my games. I have played in other locations, however I am not sure where they are, because I played on them because I browse forums and may sign up if I see a theme I like or for other similar reasons. Sorry for wasting you're time with the meta search.

So...I'll just accept this untouchable position at face value and unvote.

...Or not.

Don't worry, you didn't waste my time with a meta search; you helped us find you! And that's all I could ever wish for.

Except for other people to post more...

Whats your attack?
Rewq has a bad memory?

Sure. A bad memory.

Lol. That's so Vifam.

Whoa.

You obviously know me or you're looking at my previous games.

Latter.

According to you, your rewq case is better than qbevil and Vifam cases?

[kiwieagle]

unvote

VOTE: Gbevil

If no one likes the Vifam case, then on to my second suspect.

[kiwieagle]

I dont like the rewq wagon.

[kiwieagle]

isnt Fenix the leader of the Raynors Raiders?

[kiwieagle]

YOur protoss?


Ok. I believe him. Cause im protoss aswell.
Cause
of
powerful reasons.

[kiwieagle]

Im a Dark Templar.

[kiwieagle]

Going V/LA (minimal activity) till Sunday. Will be able to post through cellphone but very little

[kiwieagle]

Im Zeratul.

[kiwieagle]

I claimed in 3 posts because, he said he got peoples "name", dark templar isnt my name. So I posted it.
And then when you said people gotta massclaim, thats why I put Dark Templar.

[kiwieagle]

unvote

VOTE: Hellooonewmann

[kiwieagle]

actuallu

unvote

I think should use his PR tonight, and tell us tommorow.

[kiwieagle]

I am Artanis and I am town. I am told that I trust all Protoss', and if I target them at night, I will be unable to perform my action on them (due to trusting them). I will instead learn their name.

This is actually quite helpful now that 2 Protoss' have claimed. I can tell you if they are lying or not.

Unvote - Rewq

are you protoss?

[kiwieagle]

unvote

VOTE: Hellooonewmann

Voting somebody who claims to be able to confirm protoss roles? That makes me think you are lying about yours.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: kiwieagle

I unvoted

[kiwieagle]

more posts were posted before mine went through.

I am Artanis and I am town. I am told that I trust all Protoss', and if I target them at night, I will be unable to perform my action on them (due to trusting them). I will instead learn their name.

This is actually quite helpful now that 2 Protoss' have claimed. I can tell you if they are lying or not.

Unvote - Rewq

are you protoss?

Artanis is a high templar. I'm not sure how the name power goes with a high templar flavor wise though.

Why is he saying it as if though he is not Protoss then?

[kiwieagle]

Okay, zero flavor knowledge here.

How is one player being "protoss" make them believe that another player claims the same?

and why does he put quotes on protoss as if though its a fake word?

[kiwieagle]

but as long as he gives results tommorow im ok.

[kiwieagle]

back

gonna reaf

[kiwieagle]

read*

[kiwieagle]

I am slowly becoming a fan of Psyche, this is way stronger than anything we got on rewq

I've already responded to all points in Psyche's case, so vote me if you find it convincing. I have nothing else to say. I have a feeling I'm getting lynched today anyway.

This post, right after Psyche's case on him is especially scummy.
I find saying ''I have a feeling I'm getting lynched today anyway" Without saying anything beforehand scummy since as town you'd want to help town as much as possible before the mislynch (From his POV) and not act as if you don't care, the fact that his activity has dropped astoundingly after that is also interesting.
VOTE: gbevil

unvote

VOTE: Gbevil

If no one likes the Vifam case, then on to my second suspect.
Eagles eat kiwis

wtf? This post is "Oh can't lynch a, so let's go lynch b". Wagonjumping much? ISO TIIIIIIIMEEEE~~~~

FoS Kiwi

You are always by the sidelines, off the radar, minimalistic scumhunting. Response?

Here is my full claim:

Name: Fenix (he is in the first game and brood wars which i havent played so anything i can tell you flavor-wise is from a wiki. He is protoss so cannot be the leader of the raiders.)

Ability: After death I can cast One vote at any point later in the game, and then I can also remove it. After I looked over the wiki I saw that after he dies he is made into a Dragoon so he can continue fighting. This is the only thing I've read about him that works with this power flavor-wise

Now why as scum would you claim with a Beyond the grave ability?

UNVOTE: rewq455
I am...
(1) Edmund Duke
(2) Terran

I'm Overload, I basically work as a town watcher/lookout.

No one asked for an ability claim... Over-justification much? Plus, the second part of your role "Lookout" doesn't quite make sense.
Yes I know what a watcher does, but giving two definitions to your ability is just... over-justifying.
VOTE: Vifam

That's crap reason to vote someone while there are 2 very strong wagons going on atm.

FoS Stels

Whats wrong with voting scum?

[kiwieagle]

Failure to explain properly on your part doesn't constitute my "misrepping". It sounded like you stated your PM didn't mention Protoss anywhere.

The way you explained it now makes more sense. As in my PM it stated I was Selendis (town) <-- just like that. And your role makes more sense too when the Protoss name thing is a conditional modifier instead of the entire power.

UNVOTE:

Blatant backtracking


His explanation is real bad.

If he TRUST protoss THEN HOW ELSE IS THE PM GONNA MENTION IT?

[kiwieagle]

Voting somebody who claims to be able to confirm protoss roles? That makes me think you are lying about yours.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: kiwieagle

Actually, I got the same vibes kiwi got on Newman. There was some hard cognitive dissonance between these two posts.

Okay, zero flavor knowledge here.

How is one player being "protoss" make them believe that another player claims the same?

"Unnecessary" quotations around the word protoss, as if he's never ever heard the term before...

I am Artanis and I am town. I am told that I trust all Protoss', and if I target them at night, I will be unable to perform my action on them (due to trusting them). I will instead learn their name.

This is actually quite helpful now that 2 Protoss' have claimed. I can tell you if they are lying or not.

Unvote - Rewq

But the word itself is mentioned in his role PM. Beyond that, while I don't know if he's fake-claiming or not, I'm just saying an investigative role such as this isn't a bad fake-claim if he were scum. That is to say, he could easily fake it by confirming the names of any town, and quite possibly outting some scum to clear his own name. The only way he's going to prove his role in my mind is if he gives the flavor-name of a town BEFORE they do, and they [the town] confirms his investigation is correct.

And Vifam, I know which game you're talking about. My Protoss = town theory was just that, a theory. If you got a town role PM and a non-Protoss name, I'd like you to name claim still. It won't necessarily mean you're anti-town, just that my theory could be wrong. Afterall, the mod did say this..

Do NOT assume you can outsmart me.

I have a reputation of placing not so evil characters as Mafia type roles. Flavor should mean nothing!!!!!!!

Failure to explain properly on your part doesn't constitute my "misrepping". It sounded like you stated your PM didn't mention Protoss anywhere.

The way you explained it now makes more sense. As in my PM it stated I was Selendis (town) <-- just like that. And your role makes more sense too when the Protoss name thing is a conditional modifier instead of the entire power.

UNVOTE:

[kiwieagle]

He could of:

1. Googled his name, if he wasnt sure.
2. If he knows he trusts protoss, then the role PM must of obviously stated
3. If he is actually town and the PM said he trusted protoss, then protoss is most probably town = why should he get all suspicious when the word was mentioned?
4. He acted as if though the word Protoss didnt exist

[kiwieagle]

EPWOP: newman could of:

[kiwieagle]

Thats your defense?


That my grammar sucks?

[kiwieagle]

We need to make up our minds on someone guys.

unvote

VOTE: morthas

[kiwieagle]

She constantly wagons (she just goes "oh yeah your right")
She sees me change my vote (to gbevil) and suddenly screams YOUR JOINING A WAGON = YOUR SCUM. IM GONNA ISO YOU (which btw is the ONLY scumhunting she has done the whole game) (oh and she never ISOed me) (oh AND LOL I JUST NOTICED SHE DID THE SAME FUCKING THING)


oh and I have a feeling Stel is bussing her.

[kiwieagle]

I base peoples gender on there avatar.

[kiwieagle]

Read all 13 pages plz.

or atleast Mortha's ISO.

[kiwieagle]

1)She constantly wagons (she just goes "oh yeah your right")
2)She sees me change my vote (to gbevil) and suddenly screams YOUR JOINING A WAGON = YOUR SCUM. 3) IM GONNA ISO YOU (which btw is the ONLY scumhunting she has done the whole game) 4)(oh and she never ISOed me) 5)(oh AND LOL I JUST NOTICED SHE DID THE SAME FUCKING THING)


oh and I have a feeling Stel is bussing her.

Ignoring your disability on reading genders (My avatar depicts a male + under it, it clearly says ''Gender=Male")
1) Reading my own ISO I have voted Stels, Rewq, Gbevil (in that order)
Stels: My own reasoning, Not even close to a wagon
Rewq: Did my own research, Wagon
Gbevil: Not my own reasoning, Weaker-than-Rewq-Wagon Wagon but still a wagon i guess~.
2) Just reread what I said before... The way you joined gbevils wagon looks like blatant wagonhopping.
3) How is that the only scumhunting I did all game? I don't want to be the one who points out my own scumhunting but did you actually read my ISO or are you just full of shit?
4) I did ISO you, that is how I came to conclusions.
5) I don't have anything to say...

I am still willing to say Gbevil still is more scummy than kiwi, rewq, Stels.
Gbevil> Rewq> Kiwi> Stels.

But his claimed ability, is again, interesting. If his claim is true, and he is scum, would it be in our interests to lynch him? Could there be a scum beyond-the-grave-voter? Would scum-he lie about his ability in this way?

Well, it would be a decent fakeclaim, I think. Insert thoughts on gambit utility here.

These considerations are the only thing that would give me doubt.

No idea about how bastardly is this game in order to give scum such a deadly/weird power but It's nothing to not vote scum over IMO.

@MOd: Can we get vote counts more often please? The last one was 4 pages ago and it's most certainly outdated.

yeah I usually dont read gender, most people dont mind etc. etc.

1. Stels wasnt a wagon, more like RVS (I wouldnt call that reasoning, you voted him for saying answering those was useless. WHICH IS TRUE, WHY DID YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTION SO DESPERATELY?)
You did your own research on rewq? lol bullshit. I made a case on him, and you just say repeat what I say.
2.LOLOLOL YOU DID THE SAME THING
3. Tell me where you actually scumhunt. Just quote it.
oh and reading your ISO

What is there to say? 3 pages full of "answer the question!" "what question?" "you know what question, now answer!" "what fucking question you talking about?" "SCUMZ!!!".

I sufficiently think the start of this game is retarded, and I have lost IQ points for having read it.

Better?

Excusing yourself from posting?
OH HAI GAIZ I'M NOT GOIN TO PLAI, BAT I DN'T WNT RIPLAIC AUT ANIWHO.
No offense intended.

I failed to mention this but i sometimes lose enthusiasm for this game for a few days when there are some events happening during life. Sorry for my being away, i'll post as soon as i get some sleep and some free time.

This is the 2nd time you call scummy something you did btw.

4. I fail to see a conclusion

[kiwieagle]

Why are you flailing kiwi?

1. Stels wasnt a wagon, more like RVS (

I wouldnt call that reasoning, you voted him for saying answering those was useless. WHICH IS TRUE, WHY DID YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTION SO DESPERATELY?

)
You did your own research on rewq? lol bullshit. I made a case on him, and you just say repeat what I say.
2.LOLOLOL YOU DID THE SAME THING
3. Tell me where you actually scumhunt. Just quote it.
oh and reading your ISO

1.Stels wasn't a wagon, correct. I didn't "desperately" wanted to know, I found it scummy that Stels was jumping at me when I was asking them. Besides, 1. wasn't only about stels it's about my behavior in general, strawman.
2.

2) Just reread what I said before...

The way you joined gbevils wagon looks like blatant wagonhopping.

Look at the bolded part very closely.
3. Make other people quote them, It's subjective and I'm clearly biased towards myself.
4.

You are always by the sidelines, off the radar, minimalistic scumhunting. Response?

I just realized your behavior can be easily associated with a Strawman's.
Change that list to Gbevil>Kiwi>Rewq>Stels.

flailing?


....really?

Out of all the possible things you could say.... you say im FLAILING>?

umm ok.

and you didnt refute anything I said

All you did was raise me in your scum meter and say im flailing.

[kiwieagle]

For the record, I don't expect Morthas to refute a straw man argument. No one should.

I can get on a kiwi wagon.

VOTE: kiwi

You think my argument is straw man?

how come?

[kiwieagle]

flailing?


....really?

Out of all the possible things you could say.... you say im FLAILING>?

umm ok.

and you didnt refute anything I said

All you did was raise me in your scum meter and say im flailing.

Why are you flailing kiwi?

Kiwi wrote:
1. Stels wasnt a wagon, more like RVS (I wouldnt call that reasoning, you voted him for saying answering those was useless. WHICH IS TRUE, WHY DID YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTION SO DESPERATELY?)
You did your own research on rewq? lol bullshit. I made a case on him, and you just say repeat what I say.
2.LOLOLOL YOU DID THE SAME THING
3. Tell me where you actually scumhunt. Just quote it.
oh and reading your ISO

1.Stels wasn't a wagon, correct. I didn't "desperately" wanted to know, I found it scummy that Stels was jumping at me when I was asking them. Besides, 1. wasn't only about stels it's about my behavior in general, strawman.
2.
Myself wrote:
2)

Just reread what I said before... The way you joined gbevils wagon looks like blatant wagonhopping.

Look at the bolded part very closely.
3. Make other people quote them, It's subjective and I'm clearly biased towards myself.
4.
Kiwi wrote:
You are always by the sidelines, off the radar, minimalistic scumhunting. Response?

I just realized your behavior can be easily associated with a Strawman's.
Change that list to Gbevil>Kiwi>Rewq>Stels.

Number of times and/or words that are associated with the word ''flailing'':
1 times mentioned, 5 words. Are you still saying the only thing I said is that you are flailing?
"All I did" was respond to every single of your points and have you ignore them completely in a straw man fashion.

For the record, I don't expect Morthas to refute a straw man argument. No one should.

The only way I will refute the straw man argument is if I realize i got the definition wrong.

You responded to every single of my points?

Yeah...no.


1.Oh and killerjester, please read both cases. She copied what I said.
2. So the fault is on the defender not in the attacker?
3.Uhhh no. Please reread.

[kiwieagle]

I think I addressed why it isnt a bad post.

oh and
ISnt it funny how he now calls me scum for making a case a against him?

[kiwieagle]

All your trying to do right now killer is just discredit my post.



Which if Morthas flips scum...

[kiwieagle]

I think I addressed why it isnt a bad post.

oh and
ISnt it funny how he now calls me scum for making a case a against him?

the 2nd part was to Morthas

[kiwieagle]

All your trying to do right now killer is just discredit my post.

Which if Morthas flips scum...

Yeah, I suppose if Morthas flips scum you can all go yelling "chainsaw defense!!!"

I call it simply finding you scummy. I'm discrediting your post because it's a bad post.

I think I addressed why it isnt a bad post.

oh and
ISnt it funny how he now calls me scum for making a case a against him?

And you never really did this, because #320 just says, "No, I'm right. You're wrong. If you don't believe me then go reread the thread."

Cause its kind of obvious.

[kiwieagle]

Disclaimer: I know absolutely nothing about Starcraft.

First few pages are meaningless.

The fight between Psyche and my slot was stupid and didn't solve anything. Way too much dependence on meta going on in this game. Mostly Psyche and I don't like him attempting to deflect blame for constant meta dependence in 160 on Vifam.

He is OMGUSing me.

This is weak for a vote. I think this is one of the most trite and overused tells. The only people that actually do this are newbies and even then it's never really indicative of alignment. This and posting admitting a prod-dodge looks bad.

The claim seems legitimate. I guess there seem to be name claims going around.

I am Valerian Mengsk.

I have no idea who that is.

Agree that KJ was not misrepping, it was a bad step by Newman. However as someone who also has no clue about flavor, I don't think it's as scummy as it was made out to be.

Esp finally arrives and is useless. Reminds me of the one time I played with him and he was scum and almost slipped through the cracks under the always awful "too scummy to be scum" argument. That was awhile ago though.

Granted I did skim, but nothing from Rewq caught my eye. What exactly is the case?

I will start here.

VOTE: Espeonage

borderline RVS

[kiwieagle]

Ok, I reread.

At first I was, well, nameclaiming is stupid as hell, but then things went better than expected (more later).

I'm Raynor, terran. I will also add that I can't vote Vifam. Mod didn't explain why.

Ironically enough, she is my top suspect for scum. I don't even need a case.

You guys notice a patter on claims? Well, guess who doesn't fit.

Overlord? Seriously?

Please lynch.

Dont outguess the mod

I'll also say that rewq is clearly town as well as newman.

First rewq is town because scum wouldn't have claimed the ability of voting after death. Scum would have likely saved that ability for an intempestive hammer.

The way newman claimed and the way he defended his claim against the "protoss" lame accusation, makes me also think that he is town.

I think killerjester is also town if Vifam is scum. I don't see scum trying to break the game with something that created a fakeclaim.

I have a good feeling abouit Iecerint, but that Duran claim screams third party a little too much for my taste.

I'm meh about the others. I need to reevaluate Morthas, Psyche and Espeonage once Vifam flips.

Vifam is active lurking.
(I did the same my first scum game, IM JUST SAYIN)

[kiwieagle]

I think Vifam is scum, but not because of her "name claim" (Though why the fuck did she claim watcher with no need? SHE OUTTED A PR WITH NO REASON AT ALL)

[kiwieagle]

HE CANT VOTE VIFAM CAUSE SHE IS KERRIGAN

DUN DUN DUNNNNN

[kiwieagle]

raynor is in love of kerrigan right?

[kiwieagle]

and kerrigan is bad.

[kiwieagle]

Im rooting for morthas or vifam.

[kiwieagle]

unvote

VOTE: vifam

[kiwieagle]

So far, I am rooting for Scotty-Gbevil, Kiwi, Scooby.

Kiwi lynch isn't a very good lynch. In fact, kiwi is a terrible lynch when compared to the other candidates. I'm also finding it scummy that you are calling scooby an "opportunistic scum" and using that theory as grounds for fencesitting on Vifam, as if scooby's attack suddenly make Vifam's play more pro-town.

FoS Morthas

VOTE: Vifam

Beyond a Vifam lynch, I suppose Scott Brosius and Morthas are my top two scumreads.

My rolename is confirmable by Newman's ability, should he choose to use it on me, and we should have at least one protective role to save our only claimed PR.

Scooby did not make Vifam pro-town, Scooby is a much better lynch than Vifam IMO. I never said that something made Vifam more pro-town.
I won't support no Vifam Lynch at this point.

You obviously wont support a vifam lynch cause all she has done is call you town.

[kiwieagle]

lol lyncher

[kiwieagle]

EPWOP: lol thought you were lyncher

[kiwieagle]

......


Fucking cellphone

EPWOP2: lol he thought you were a lyncher

[kiwieagle]

I'm sorry, how does misspelling Overlord make it a valid claim when it's still the only non-name claim out of 12 players?

I just see it as a subconscious mistake after reading it directly from the PM.

This doesn't matter regardless. I firmly believe that scum do NOT have fakeclaims.

I firmly believe they do.

[kiwieagle]

I'd also like a

Deadline Extension

To anyone who still thinks my claim is fake, tell me why I decided to pick a UNIT instead of just clicking some random character in the the SC wiki?

ding ding ding ding ding

Actually you wanna know what this sounds to me?

"im gonna get lynched, but since DH put a counter-wagon I need more time so esp gets more vote"

[kiwieagle]

oh and:

Vifam lurked until someone finally came and defended her

[kiwieagle]

So your defense is
"i have not been paying attention to this game so all your points are null."

[kiwieagle]

OMGGGG THEY JUST ADDED THE MULTI QUOTE FUNCTION

[kiwieagle]

Also you wanted a case? Here is a case:

You have 34 posts, of which:

- are fluff or promises to post (iso 1, 2, 7, 8, 15, 16, 17, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31
- 1 is a very weird "town vs. town" comment that you later justify as gut, iso 4, iso 9.
- 1 is a defense of Morthas and a wrong attack against avas for "he wasn't talking to you specfically" when Morthas clearly did, iso 5.
- 1 is another weird "this seems like a scum bussing tactic", iso 12
- 1 is a contradiction with your previous stance on rewq: you said you didnt agree with rewq scum in iso10 but then you voted him in iso 13 and to L-1!.
- 1 is an overreaction to the race vs race theory that made you fullclaim when no one asked you to (trying to look town with a power role that fits your fakeclaim). iso 19
- 1 is a blatant lie, since you were the only one asking rewq to fullclaim, iso 23.
- 1 is another contradiction with your previous stance on Espe: you said you didn't see him a scum in 27. Once you got the support for DemonHybrid, you somehow forgot what you said about him.

Question, why were you posting ion other games and not here over the past days?

ISO 12 + 13 make complete sense, you say my bussing theory is "weird" then you say that I was contradicting myself on Rewq being scum.

WHY?

IS0 19 isn't an "overreaction" it was a completely viable question seeing how KJ was "confident". And it didn't lead me to full claiming, that's misrepsentation at a HIGH level.

ISO 27 isn't a contradiction, I said "You're doing a lot of sheeping I don't think scum would have the balls to do" when someone spoke up about this being his scumplay, I kind of put off my stance on him.

So your defense is
"i have not been paying attention to this game so all your points are null."

Are you

Are you serious?

yes

[kiwieagle]

But you do realize


your defense


----------------------

your head.

[kiwieagle]

I actually have no idea what "your head" means, but from what I infer it means its stupid.

[kiwieagle]

then can you explain it to me instead of denying it?

[kiwieagle]

I wanna lynch Morthas tommorow.

[kiwieagle]

awwww

[kiwieagle]

YOur protoss?


Ok. I believe him. Cause im protoss aswell.

C

ause

o

f

p

owerful reasons.

I breadcrumbed im cop so scum could target there kill on me, cause I have 1-shot bulletproof


and I dont think I got targeted

[kiwieagle]

EPWOP: its not 1-shot (I just realized I put 1-shot in there)

[kiwieagle]

I still would like Morthas or Vifam.


oh and to those asking why I showed my scheme/claimed bulletproof...

...lets just say that dark templars can do many things

[kiwieagle]

content this friday/saturday

bit busy

[kiwieagle]

oh and:

Vifam lurked until someone finally came and defended her

HE CANT VOTE VIFAM CAUSE SHE IS KERRIGAN

DUN DUN DUNNNNN

raynor is in love of kerrigan right?

and kerrigan is bad.

Im rooting for morthas or vifam.

unvote

VOTE: vifam

i still abide by all these posts guys so yes I think vifam must be lynched.

[kiwieagle]

DemonHybrid could be a cultee defending his own cultmaster (vifam)

[kiwieagle]

ACTUALLY, I'd prefer they would lynch Scooby, because when I flip town it should be evident he's full of it.

I havent voted Vifam?

weird..

I though I already had.


(also theres one key point that makes all of this weird:

WHY CANT SOMEONE VOTE A OVERLORD. it either shes lying or DeathNote is a bastard mod. (or maybe scooby lies) )

[kiwieagle]

EPWOP: or DeathNote is a bastard mod when it comes to flavor


VOTE: vifam

[kiwieagle]

my thoughts still stand.


Vifam = scum
Morthas = get lynched tomorow

[kiwieagle]

haha

see

shes scum.


DH should of never defended her, she was the most obvious cult I have ever seen.

[kiwieagle]

CAN SOMEONE PLZ HAMMER VIFAM FFS

[kiwieagle]

can someone plz hammer so then I can tell DH "i told you so"

[kiwieagle]

you can unvote if you have hammered?

[kiwieagle]

The only reason Iecerint doesnt want to lynch Vifam is because he wants his wincon changed, which imo is scummy.

[kiwieagle]

Seriously Iecerint.

If you dont hammer Vifam im seriously doubting your town.

Wanting to have a changed wincon is ANTI TOWN.

[kiwieagle]

Uhm I think you forget to put in the role spec that im untargettable/bulletproof, also I can become untargettable and be able to jailkeep someone. I dont really think claiming is bad in any way due to the point that I cant die through NKs.

[kiwieagle]

I was untargettable N1 tho

[kiwieagle]

EPWOP: I can stop being untargettable and have the power to jailkeep someone.

[kiwieagle]

I was untargettable N1 tho

oh nvm I got bribed by scott

[kiwieagle]

In what order are abilities/kills performed?

[kiwieagle]

cause if its untargettable over roleblock then that means I didnt get bribed sooo

ugh nvm its rly late for me sooo

/ends sixtuple post

[kiwieagle]

Things I'd like to see happen:

1. What did

Morthas

(or whomever) hear from the Mod?

2. Where is

Scooby

confirmed by Tychus?

3.

Kiwieagle

needs to elaborate on what that multi-post means...

I just realized that Ulrezja/

Furco

could easily have done the N2 kill. DUH. It makes sense that he'd do it over obvscumMorthas, too. Dunno whether "silenced" is plausible Ulrezja flavor, but maybe. I'd assumed it was like a silenced gunshot or something ala Nova ala a living character, but it might be some kind of cosmic thing instead.

I was just a bit ... drunk/dazed


Somehow my mind thought that roleblock would roleblock my ability (which makes me untargettable) but yeah nvm
thats why I said "but i was untargettable night 1 (to scott)


anyways

I still think morthas is scum, and since demon flipped town I have more incentive to believe so.

[kiwieagle]

It is 100% impossible that I was culted N1.

1. DemonHybrid claimed to be a player whose ability was a recruitment-blocker (like an Atheist Preacher in normative cult games) and that he had targeted me N1. If DemonHybrid was Town, he was telling the truth, and I was not recruitable N1.

2. If DemonHybrid was recruited N1 (but he kept his town wincon as reflected in his flip, similar to how I've been claiming my own hypo-recruitment would work according to the Mod), then he was recruited N1 and I wasn't.

So I can't have been recruited N1. I'm actually the only player of whom this is true.

The only way I could be cult is if I were recruited N0, or I have some kind of recruitment-blocker-blocker ability. Or DH lied about his ability without being any kind of non-town role.

I personally think (2) is what happened.

I thought Vifam was Kerrigan, Recruitment Mechanics D2, and I was in fact the first one to note as much IIRC. I didn't want to lynch her in SPITE of that because, because I know my town wincon can't change + the major plot theme of SC2, I thought she was more a threat to scum than to town.

HE CANT VOTE VIFAM CAUSE SHE IS KERRIGAN

DUN DUN DUNNNNN

raynor is in love of kerrigan right?

and kerrigan is bad.

anyways I would like a Morthas lynch

vote morthas

I already claimed but I will claim again so everyone can see

To the darkness- makes me untargettable/bulletproof
To the void - I stop being untargettable and im able to jailkeep someone

[kiwieagle]

Also I think the cult is a sort of cultafia (which explains why only 1 mafia player is remaining = only 1 person was recruited)

[kiwieagle]

Blocking me would be a waste of turn but if it makes you happy then go ahead.