The Children of Húrin Mafia (GREAT REVIVAL)

[Andrius]

Ok wow gandalf's claim is balls-to-the-wall.
Somehow, even though I KNOW this game is bastard, that seems to be a bit too STRETCHED. I think it'd be predictable for BastarD_Plum to give gandalf Gandalf, but mehhhh he wasn't in Silmarillion so ehhh.

HEY LORDCHRONOS. ITS BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE WE PLAYED TOGETHER.

I won't bother defending myself from these preposterous accusations by Locke since after all, I AM GANDALF
My rolename is(get this) Gandalf. I'm so awesomely awesome, no one could possibly believe I'm scum. So at any point, I may declare this in the thread in bold. And I will be like a treestump the rest of the game, only I keep my vote and become a JOAT. Only it's a KH mafia style JOAT, where I can literally do ANYTHING, and it's unlimited-shot. Unfortunately, I can only do three actions each night.

I think my claim is vital to my victory at this point. I'm Gandalf. I know-- Gandalf isn't in the Children of Hurin story. Apparently, I got stuck in a time warp after I fought the Balrog and before I was resurrected. So my mission is to survive and ensure the integrity of the timestream. Basically, I have to make sure the events in this game parallel those in the book. The problem is that I have no flavor knowledge whatsoever. Anyway, anyone wanna help me out?

X

Except, Ludi, gandalf was using that bollocks claim in LOTR to crumb his

actual

role.

ALMASTERGM.
YOU OWE DAWG.
YOU OWE ME BIG.

FUCK YOU FURCOLOW ITS MAEDHROS. MY FAVORITE NOLDOR.

Furcolow's summary is not town. Posting flavor for others is a way of faking content. Sadly, Furco's always a

smurf[/url] so this is going to get interesting.

so Turin Turambar is probably our hero.

Eh, he did a bunch of bad things too.
Banged his sister (unknowingly) killed that one dude at the end of the books KILLED BELEG on accident (<333), pretty much screwed over Nargothrond et.al.

so why are you asking us instead of pming plum for a clarification on your win con?

unvote vote gandalf

I get the feeling that if Plum was going to clarify she would have.

I think Plum gave me this role just to fuck with me.

BRO.
DONT EVEN START.
DONT EVEN WHINE.

whoever is turin, not me you guys, watch out for glaurung and beleg, you might have to kill them

FUCK YOU I LOVE BELEG.

Vote: Furcolow

Because your summary is fake content (Read: flavor we should all know), and you just rattling off flavor knowledge doesn't do us any good right now.

Also, I need help.
Bad.
Like, role-related.
I don't want to say too much for fear of saying too much, BUT YEAH.
:tears:

-???


p.s. I actually believe gandalf's claim. Sorry, but this is bastard and as long as it fits with the flavor (hint: I'm crumbing) then its good.

Please use more respectful/appropriate language towards other players in this game - Plum

[Andrius]

Furcolow I know it makes no flavor sense.
Which is why I want the following:
A) gandalf to stop bitching. I'd give him a bastard role of GANDALF because his name is GANDALF too.
B) You to stop spouting off flavor knowledge.
C) ???

[Andrius]

EBWOP: Sorry, that was supposed to be "gandalf to stop complaining [about his role]"

[Andrius]

Ok sorry Furco, gandalf you're a

smurf

for
1) NOT KNOWING FLAVOR KNOWLEDGE
2) asking someone for help when Plum GAVE YOU THE LINK
3) You're at least 15. Time to read the book. Either of them. Hell the ONE chapter in the Silmarillion is all you need.
4) I DONT REMEMBER.

This had better be the last time I need to censor things; I was just meaning to do a votecount - Plum

[Andrius]

there goes the "I'm going to try to be nicer to you, Furcolow", what'd it last, 1 post? Good job, bro.

I forgot.
I don't remember.
I need help.
:tears:

[Andrius]

Well, first off, can a town vig kill me? I'd appreciate that. I'm a great policy vig.

No don't do that.
No one has to die.
We've had enough tears to last an age.
:tears:

[Andrius]

Page 4 lynch. Page 4 lynch.

On who?
I DONT REMEMBER.

[Andrius]

ARE U REFERRING TO THE NIRNAETH ARNBRODIAD?

The Battle of Unnumbered Tears.

I don't remember anything...
:tears:

SpyreX I see you crumbing and I raise you a BAKERY.

I don't remember...

OH.
OH OH OH.
I THINK I KNOW WHAT HAS TO BE DONE.

[Andrius]

Andrius, are you an elf that needs help as you are being strung up, or are you perhaps Hurin, forced to look upon your cursed children?
Why do you not remember anything?

If I were Beleg I'd still be squealing and giggling and generally being excited.
I'm not Hurin.
I need help though. I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing and I don't know.
:tears:

[Andrius]

I don't remember anything...

SWerious question and I'd like a truthful answer: Are you town?

Truthful answer: I don't know.
Clarification: I (Andy) think I know who I (my character) is supposed to be but I (my character) doesn't remember so I (Andy) am trying to figure out how to make me (my character) remember.

I'll fullclaim if you want but it won't get us very far. :/

Somehow something tells me I'll need an outside influence to help me remember (my role) and I think I know who it is but that'll be hard to do unless its the Seraph BUT STILL.

I know what I want to do, just forgot how to do it
so we can slay some goblins, need to find my bro Turin

Don't you softclaim kin to Turin.
Goddammitineedtofuckingrememberwhoiamalready.

predit: What he said. There are these things called CCs and they can bite you in the ass if you're fucking around, Furco.

[Andrius]

Emp, if I (Andy) am right as to who I (my character) is, I (my character and therefore Andy) am town.
But I don't know for certain and I'm just trying to remember.
:tears:

[Andrius]

Oversoul FaraMina and AGMThor are most likely the Seraphs.

I was told that I don't know who/what I am or my role. I

can

remember somehow, but I don't know how.
I (Andy now) think I know who I am, but I'm not sure where to go/who to go to to remember.

Yes, my role is very bastardized, given I don't even know my wincon.
:tears:

ooba replaced out IIRC.
One Seraph for each faction I think.
And sadly, if I'm right as to who the Scum one is, I think I know who (role-wise) it is. :/

[Andrius]

Come on Spy don't be like that.
At least you (presumably) have a wincon.

[Andrius]

And sadly, if I'm right as to who the Scum one is, I think I know who (role-wise) it is. :/

You can share this with the class.

Andy: If you don't have a wincon yet wouldn't Gandalf be a safe vote?

Morgoth obv. Yes, my first thought was indeed Glaurung, for the sheer amount of mind-wiping and mind-fuckery that he put Turin and Nienor/Niniel through.

So yes, my money's on Morgoth/Glaurung, now that I realize Morgoth was more of a behinds-the-scene dude.

I'd also be concerned if Glaurung WASN'T in the game, so. :/

Well, there's a reason your title is Baker, Andrius. Seriously, could you make it any more obvious who you're supposed to be?

I actually don't KNOW who I am, just making a flavor-based guess.

[Andrius]

Hey hey, why don't all of you shut up with the role-related boringness and vote Spyrescum?

I'd like to think my issue is important.
Because if Plum wanted to have a trollrole she could have just called me CHESSKID and dropped me in here on a whim. :/
BUT NO. This is no only bastard game.
This is LOTR: SILMARILLION.
It will make sense in the end.

[Andrius]

Disclaimer: No flavor knowledge of this whatsoever.

Good.
Because if you, gandalf, and other flavor-ignorant idiots are the scumteam this should be a cinch.

[Andrius]

I am also flavor ignorant.

(and a beautiful princess)

OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, SPYREX.

It takes 12 players to lynch. Are we even halfway there?

Nope.
I believe his claim, sadly.
If he were trying to stay alive why the hell would he claim something we'd lynch him for?

[Andrius]

I am also flavor ignorant.

(and a beautiful princess)

OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, SPYREX.

It takes 12 players to lynch. Are we even halfway there?

Nope.
I believe his claim, sadly.
If he were trying to stay alive why the hell would he claim something we'd lynch him for?

You think he wants to die?

If he were scum he wouldn't want to.
If he was town he'd claim truthfully- and if that claim makes us lynch him, well, then shit happens.

[Andrius]

I am also flavor ignorant.

(and a beautiful princess)

OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, SPYREX.

It takes 12 players to lynch. Are we even halfway there?

Nope.
I believe his claim, sadly.
If he were trying to stay alive why the hell would he claim something we'd lynch him for?

You think he wants to die?

If he were scum he wouldn't want to.
If he was town he'd claim truthfully- and if that claim makes us lynch him, well, then shit happens.

You think he's town?

I don't think he's mafia, let's put it that way.
Let me go read his "wincon" one more time first.

[Andrius]

Ok Emp I have no insight into this "time travel" business.
So yeah. I think he's third party, as town doesn't have that wincon (not like I'd know from my PM) but.

Hostile or not remains to be seen ofc, but that elaborate of a claim isn't faked.

GANDALF5166: DO YOU KNOW HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO FULFILL YOUR WINCON? Aka, killin' Balrogs, etc.?
Or are you just floating in the water too?

predit: Ok kanye has a good point that I missed. He's not town because town wouldn't claim a non-town wincon. Sorry about that. :S

[Andrius]

SO NO, EMPKING, I DO NOT THINK GANDALF5166 IS TOWN.
I don't think he's mafia either.
Def. 3rd party.

[Andrius]

Def. 3rd party.

So you're going to vote him right?

Maybe. I don't think he's hostile. If he were, again, he wouldn't have claimed.

But we can get clarification from him when he gets back. Because I want to know just what he has to do to complete his wincon. It might be some sort of hoakey "win with the town" deal he doesn't know about, as winning with scum = no-go as he'd get endgamed for sure.

Meh.

[Andrius]

as winning with scum = no-go as he'd get endgamed for sure.

what. third party can definitely win with scum, see: survivor and lyncher/reverse lyncher (what gandalf probably is)

I can see Survivor, true.
I can see Lyncher to Balrog, who might be Morgoth_Scum or might be a Lyncher to Gandalf.
Basically, I want to hear from him.
And then I'll decide.
Yes, its taking a risk, but I'd like to think I know gandalf well enough to know he wouldn't be all lulzy like this as hostile scum.
Because Gandalf_Lyncher is clearly out to get Balrog, who's CLEARLY not town.

[Andrius]

Espeonage, this isn't lol_Bastardmod. I THINK I know who my character is, and she's town.

ALSO.

Hey Plum if you want to get my attention don't edit my posts as I usually don't read them. Feel free to PM me if you want to whack my wrist with a ruler.

On that note, I apologize to everyone I called a tw@t- didn't realize it meant anything more than an idiot. After reviewing a google search for the word and seeing there's more than one meaning, yeah. My apologies. I meant nothing more than to use it as a synonym for "idiot" not its other connotations. My apologies.

ANYWHO.
Furco IS over-reacting. Sorry bud, three votes is NOT ALOT.

Andy, your thinking is correct. Take this out of context of the last quote, I'm intentionally separating it from what it's referring to.

I'm actually still confused.

Chronopie is town I think. By no means a strong read but an initial townish read.

Gandalf, can you like for real admit you're not Gandalf in this game? There is no possible way that is the name of your character

Actually, this is getting boring. I'm in the same boat as Andy. I just figured I'd have some fun so I could do SOMETHING D1. I was planning on keeping it up longer, but it just got boring. I had a pretty unsubtle breadcrumb..... Look at the bolded parts of those first few posts, where I acted like it was a glitch. You get:
I really don't know what I'm doing now. I could really use some help(I think it's possible that there's some role that might be able to restore my memories, was trying to signal them). I think Plum gave me this role just to fuck with me.

Bullshit.
YOU CLAIM YOUR "WINCON" RIGHT NOW.
TELL ME WHAT IT SAID IN YOUR ROLE PM.

Almost as cool as the time I CC'd as VT and got a scumlynch. <3

BUT YES. THERE IS NO REASON FOR THERE TO BE TWO OF US, UNLESS ONE SMALL CHANCE.

I think Plum gave me this role just to fuck with me.

IF. I could speculate on why I might have gotten what I did but that's no help to us now.

Fuck, I forgot Andrius is a real person. I imagine him wearing a cute, French beard, and baking pastries.

FWAN

I don't believe Gandalf.

I don't either. No flavor room for TWO of us.

UNLESS.
UNLESS.
UNLESS BASTARDNESS TO THE MAX.
AND ONE OF US IS NIENOR.
AND THE OTHER IS NINIEL.
THATS ONE OF TWO WAYS THIS COULD MAKE SENSE.

Yes.
I'm very sad with Spy right now.
I think he'd TRY as scum though.
I don't really want to vote him though- something tells me that'd be a bad idea. Almost likes he wants to be lynched. Goddamn.

You Co-Modded with Plum on LOTR so I don’t buy for a second the obv-fake claim from Gandalf didn’t cross your mind.

It did. I cited it when I responded to MoS, didn't I?
I don't remember clearly.

[quote="MoI"No, because dumb, gambitting Town have done so in the past. I’ll direct you to the link from [REDACTED] when it ends.[/quote]
Yeah, but this isn't Fate. This is gandalf.

i think the weird reaction from Andy is due to him realizing what my real role was and not wanting to reveal it. I'll let him speak for himself, but I think he was just trying to perpetuate the thing because he thought it was funny.

Again, I'm not sure what to do with you.
This IS bastard but there's only TWO ways this could work and I don't like either of them.

OK, REITERATION.
I think gandalf's "claimA no claimB like andy" is BAD.
I want him to claim his "wincon". For clarification.
There are two distinct possibilities, one being outlined above "Nienor/Niniel" parallel, one other one I won't mention yet.
But yes.
I am distrustful of two of us because I really don't see how it makes sense, but again, bastard so.

Spy is definitely anti-town.
Definitely thrown off by him not seeming to care deal.
:/

You know what?
Here's what we'll do.
I'll hammer Spy.
JUST IN CASE.

[Andrius]

Ok tagfail.

Also, gandalf, I considered doing what you did and trolling, but then I realized that I'm most likely town via flavor.

You, on the other hand, DIDN'T think to act pro-town so either you're:
1) legit don't know any flavor so didn't know any better
2) scum faking off my claim
3) being gandalf in a large theme

[Andrius]

Does anybody else want to claim Andrius' role?

This. Amazing how we're going to srs bsns over ??? roles. WHEEE MYSTERY ROLE.

[Andrius]

Yea, I'm fine with both of them becoming vapors. Especially after Andy, so uncouthly, insinuated I'm a third party.

Well, at least you HAVE a role.

[Andrius]

I've been *awesome* lately at keeping up in my games.
If I haven't caught up by tomorrow, beat me with sticks until I show up. <3

[Andrius]

MISS ME GUYS?
I MISSED YOU.

[Andrius]

SUP ANDY. You're voting town

YEAH I KNOW ONE SECOND UNVOTING IN MY CATCHUP POST

[Andrius]

Ok so I'm thinking that one of gandalf/I needs to die.
Because we might be the same person.
Or siblings, but Turin didn't have mind-wipery, sooooo. :/
Because I'd really love to know what I'm doing and I'd prefer it if gandalf didn't trollfakeclaim for lulz.
HEY SERAPHS.
IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN FIX, *coughAGMowesmebigforhiswingscough* PLEASE FIX. IF I DIE WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO WIN I'LL BE MAD.

i stand by lynching claimed third party.

Except he's not.
Role-wise, he's most likely town.

LOL @ Andrius's innocence of the 't' word.

Some of us didn't go to public school until fourth grade.

I don't either. No

flavor room

for TWO of us.

Also, gandalf, I considered doing what you did and trolling, but then I realized that

I'm most likely town via flavor.

Based on the bolded I can scratch what was my initial Andy Town read.

Let me clarify:
There's no flavor room for TWO of us.
Unless of course we are Nienor and Niniel, two "people" but really the same.
SO IF SOMEONE COULD NEIGHBORIZE US THAT'D BE AWESOME.
And yes, if I am indeed Niniel/Nienor then I am town via flavor (aka, the book that you haven't read).
Sorry for confusing you.

Ouch. Do you remember how much that fence post hurts to sit on?

You were in CYS. So sue me for being a bit paranoid at lynching twits.
But yes, I stand by what I said. I'll hammer anyone who might blow up.
Because I don't have a role yet wheeeeeeeee

Why do you think Fate is the only person who does stupid shit? And what relevance does Fate have given that Gandalf pulled this exact same stupid shit in THE GAME YOU CO-MODDED WHEN HE WAS TOWN?

YES.
BUT I THINK ITS BECAUSE GANDALF IS JUST TROLLING AS UNKNOWN LIKE ME.
FATE IS JUST BALLSY NO MATTER WHAT.
SO HIM AS TOWN WOULD DO THIS SHIT FOR NO APPARENT REASON.
gandalf did it because he was bored.
In LOTR he did it to crumb his REAL role.

Just like Lord of the Rings Mafia again. Scum Kats nailed Day 1. Good times … good times.

Except he wasn't.

HEY DEKES.

i missed spyrex's post earlier
it made me smile inside
unvpte

you need a coat, hon?



Top

cool story bro
Why'd you smile, because he's protown or because he's being flavorific?
Because the former is good.
The latter is null.
And you unvoting for the latter is bad.
And judging by the coat comment you went for the latter.

MoI and Andrius need to form a town voting bloc

Problems:
1) He doesn't think I'm town
2) I'm TECHNICALLY not town

tl;dr I'd be fine with it but I don't think he would. I love alliances/masonries/neighborhoods so. <3

I love how Kat always forgets these games that were really important, and remembers other games that are suitable for her needs.
Yep.

I have no idea what SITMOA II is. Did Gandalf make an obviously stupid fake claim Early Day 1 there also? If not what is the point of you repeatedly bringing it up?

You don't know about LOTR? Whut? Trying to outright downplay the obvious parrallel between his behavior this game and that game? You can do better than that Kats. Well, maybe you can't but you could pretend!

gandalf was speedlynched D1.
Was town.
Revived N1 IIRC.
Kats was scum IIRC.

ok i read MoI and andrius's walls now

Aaaaaandddd?

Kanye, do you like Fish Sticks?

Andy, my PM simply says that I do not know how I win. Hey Andy. Just because you don't know your wincon doesn't mean you should start playing like scum.

Ok you're right that's mine too. :/
Have you read either of these:
1) The Silmarillion
2) Children of Hurin

If so, what do you think the chances are that we're

PARTY ROCK

Niniel/Nienor?

I'm not playing like scum. I'm playing.

To quote one of the Seraphs - "Mod Game is Broken - set-ups should have more than 1 player with a Town Wincon"

Explain this.
Namely, where this is from.

Future Mods, never allow gandalf5166 to join a LOTR themed game ever again.

MB

Meh, gandalf and I are bros.
And given I LOVE LOTR... not sure about that not happening, given he's sworn to play every game of mine, and I can't help but design them. >___>
Speaking of which...

The way to a woman's heart is not by telling her other women are beautiful. *huff*

He's clearly playing hard to get.


ESPEONAGE.
PLAY THE GAME.
IF WE BECOME LOVERS AND YOU LURK ILL LEAVE YOU FOR MJAYE.

Vote: Gandalf

-turns cc cameras on-

You're voting him off my CC yes?

I know I'm late in joining the fray, but I'm catching up now and will post soon.

Put me in a QT with this lady and it'll be as good as a Cop investigation on her.
If you trust me, ofc.

And yes, she's an alt.

Someone asked: mockingjaye is not an alt. I've played with her a couple of times though, she's fine.

Yes she is.

WAIT.
GANDALF.
IDEA.
MAYBE WE CAN "MERGE" INTO ONE SLOT, AND WE CAN GET CALCIFER BACK.
YESSSSS.
TWO PLAYERS & TWO PERSONALITIES ----> ONE SLOT. HYDRALIFIC
/sorry tinfoil wheeeeeee

Elli you want to make a case on LC please? I don't want to have to use meta on him because I don't have townmeta that's recent.

Actually, the gandalf+Andy=Calcifer thing would be really entertaining. <3

Furcolow, let me say ONE THING now that I'm not scum (yes i know i dont know KNOW but).
Do NOT repeat Succession Mafia or I'll be ticked.
You claim when you need to claim.
Don't be an asshat and claim things you're not.
I'm not sure if you're improved or not because I've not paid attention until now.
But seriously.
That just pissed me off.

mjaye I missed you. <3
What do you think of Furco and SpyreX?
I CAN BE ANYTHING YOU WANT ME TO BE BABY. IM A NOBODY NOW.

KAT.
MAGNA.
STOP IT.
SERIOUSLY.
KAT STOP JOINING GAMES IF YOURE JUST GOING TO TROLL AND NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE FLAVOR.
MAGNA. IF YOU'RE GONNA HATE THAN DO IT WITH WOTC OTHERWISE LETS SETTLE THIS WITH VOTES AND DEATHSTICKS.

SH*T.

Unvote, Vote: Katsuki

gandalf and I need to be joined.
Someone see to this.

SpyreX I swear when we get vig powers gandalf and I are going to splatter your brains all over.

Sun and Moon has one post, Emp (IIRC).
You can judge that good from it?

Wraith's here too? <3 Like LOTR Pt. II

LC isn't a lurker, he just posts REALLY infrequently. /OLYMPUS

I LOVE BREADCRUMS SPY GTFO

YES I LOVE BELEG PUT HIM IN MORE FLAVOR PLUM. <333

gandalf can we just pretend we're one and vote together? GOOD IDEA Y/Y?
So yeah vote Katsu with me.
FOR CALCIFER.

No, I claimed that I might be scum, and I'd rather not find that out shortly after pushing wagons on all my buddies.

You answer my flavor question right now.
If we come together I don't want your scummy ass getting us lynched because we'll probably be town.

[Andrius]

TOWNIER THAN TURIN
2. Magister Ludi
6. Ellibereth
7. Mastermind of Sin
10. mockingjaye
11. Furcolow
12. Gut (Cogito Ergo Sum + chamber hydra)
17. Espeonage
20. MagnaofIllusion
21. Will-o-wisp (Oversoul + Mist Beauty hydra)


CALCIFER
1. Andrius
5. gandalf5166

SCUMMIER THAN SAURON:
14. SpyreX
15. Katsuki
16. kanyeknowsbest

NOT AS SCUMMY AS THEM:
18. Empking
22. LordChronos


POST MOAR PLZ/NEED TO PAY MORE ATTENTION TO
3. Sun and Moon (CSL + Amrun hydra)
4. Chronopie
8. Dekes
9. PeregrineV
13. Wraith
19. VitaminR

[Andrius]

Mod: Replace me please, I'm not dealing with this shit.

[Andrius]

What the replace or the gif?
But yes Kat's being a twit ok you started the arguing with Magna ok don't pretend you're an innocent princess

that's Spy

.

[Andrius]

I love multiquote.

Also, Andrius, you didn't list The Unfinished Tales, which has this story in it.

Whoops. Forgot about those two.

Sun and Moon has one post, Emp (IIRC).

When its that bad I can.

Unvote
VOTE: Kats

I trust Andy saying we're probably town.

And I have no flavor knowledge, as I haven't had time to read more than the very beginning of The Silmarillion, and when my dad lent me Children of Hurin, I was very little, just finishing my first readthrough of the original books, and I thought it was boring, so I never read it.

Well of course you'd trust me to think we're town- you wouldn't be like "NO WE'RE MORE LIKELY MAFIA" even if it WERE more likely regardless of your alignment.

Sorry for confusing you.

You aren’t confusing me. I’m directly saying that I find it suspect that you are using source flavor alone as justification of alignment. Especially in a game labelled bastard.

Just because its bastard doesn't mean it would go against good solid flavor.
I see this game as being bastard to the extent that Plum needs it to be so that the game can work properly with the actual story- not bastard in the sense of "I'm going to screw with everything you think you know". EXAMPLE: Bastard because we don't know our roles, and you couldn't give a player a "you don't know who you are or how you win" in a normal game. Its not bastard in the sense that Empking's Cthulhu game was where all PRs died if they ever acted at night. You see the difference I'm trying to point out? She's making it bastard to make the game work and stay true to the novel- not in the MINDFUCK or MODTROLL sense.

Except he wasn't.

Oh he was. Several of us clearly called him obv-scum. And he killed me for it.

It was too bad we were busy lynching other obv-scum. Not enough lynches in that day that game.

I remember. I read the whole game about a week ago. It just took Nero to put him down.

Explain this.
Namely, where this is from.

I thought it was pretty self-explanatory. It is a joke meant to convey that the poster isn’t seeing ANY Town play from other players in thread and is frustrated.

I’m not at liberty to say where exactly it originated from currently.

Ok cool I won't press it. I've been a mouthpiece before and it sure doesn't offer life insurance.

LC isn't a lurker, he just posts REALLY infrequently. /OLYMPUS

Um LC was scum there. Hard to justify giving him a pass for infrequent posting when your source game shows it as scum behavior

--

[/quote]
I do realize that, yes.
Again, I need le town meta to counter that but I'm too lazy so I'll try not to meta this guy to death.
Though when I say I can read mjaye with ease I mean it. <3

predit: @ Empking: T_T

[Andrius]

All the Power Roles dying at night fit perfectly with Lovecraft flavour.

:headdesk:
Ok, Magna, regardless of the fact that I'm failing in every attempt to prove myself, you DO understand my point, right?

[Andrius]

All the Power Roles dying at night fit perfectly with Lovecraft flavour.

:headdesk:

?

I was responding to you beating down my argument with frustration.

All the Power Roles dying at night fit perfectly with Lovecraft flavour.

I don't even know if this is true, but it's still hilarious.

It is.
If they action'd, they died.

[Andrius]

Also, based on the sample role pm in the OP, you should know exactly whether or not you are mafia, regardless of flavor knowledge.

They're claiming not to know their role at all.

???

Hi.
Nice to meet you, MoS. I'm Andrius.

Anywho, as I claimed, I'm an unknown character with an unknown role who doesn't know how he wins.

lol @ Peregrine voting me. If you think our claims are bullshit then fine, but first: what did you think of gandalf's original claim?

<3 Feysal

And just a tip, me and Andy claiming the same role does NOT mean we have the same likelihood of being scum, idiot.

Why do I feel like you're coasting by on the towncred I got? >_>
Seriously, just because you're in the same boat as me doesn't mean you can do nothing.
Because if we merge I'm going to beat you with a stick.

I feel like I need to post. However there really isn't much going on. Don't really feel like stirring the pot at the moment.

Post dammit.

[Andrius]

So, lets go ahead and sweep the "flavor cleared" business out like last years dress because it is sooo out of fashion now.

Andy says there is one convoluted scenario where both of them are going to be town. Gandalf lied about this business until AFTER Andy claimed it.

This is easy enough it makes a beautiful princess blush.

I see what you're getting at.
MEH.
HIS PLAY IS BAD, YES.
THE CLAIM IS CONVENIENT, YES.
BUT I WANT TO BELIEVE WE ARE BOTH TOWN.

HOPE BURNS BRIGHT.

[Andrius]

You'll get one post from me before my V/LA. <3

[Andrius]

GOD DAMN ITS LATE AND THIS GAME IS LONG

[Andrius]

I can't count past the number of fingers on my hand but even I know that from your own mouth the number of scenarios you say where this makes sense is 1.

Eh, possibly two.
:/

Espeo I asked you questions in my ISO and you simply ignored them.

HINT: SERAPHS.
MAKE ME A NEIGHBORIZER.
IT'LL BE JUST AS GOOD AS A COP, BUT CHEAPER FOR YOUR AP COSTS.

Didn't Turin Turambar get his memories wiped and romance his own sister at some point?

This is why I find your flavor speculation so troublesome. Source flavor may not have ANYTHING to do with the source material or not. It is absolutely true that being a Bastard game may have nothing to do with alignments not equalling flavor. It may also be relevant. So continuing to discuss source flavor as if it absolutely dictates game alignment I find troublesome.

For example … everyone is assuming all the ‘major players’ will be in the game and Town (as far as I can tell .. not really flavor savy myself). Why isn’t it possible one of them is a fake-claim or contra-alignment designated this game. Until we get flips I’m assuming nothing (and even then will probably need someone to help sort out the “Yes, they make sense as Town” bit).

I REALLY don't think Plum would DELIBERATELY just make a bastard game with no flavor basis.
Anywho.

Ok yeah Magna I'm not a n00b I KNOW that there are fakeclaims. HINT: THE FLASH IS ALWAYS SCUM. I know that major characters can be fakeclaims. I'm not an idiot, dude.

Yes, you are clearly explaining your position. I just don’t necessarily ascribe to it at this juncture sans flips. Thus my comments.

Just wanted to know if i was coming across clearly.

Ok I can tell now that its 1am and i shouldn't be in this many larges anymore. :/

Katsuki - 7 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Empking, LordChronos, Gut,

Andrius, gandalf5166

Good wagon though in general.

Hey shut up at least I'm preventing gandalf from trolling and fakeclaiming bullshit.
I AM TRYING EMPKING. LORD KNOWS I HATE EVERY ALIGNMENT BUT TOWN.

ESPECIALLY "YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TROLOLOLOLOL"

Andrius - Actually realized what a trollclaim is and explained it to everyone else.

WAit, what?

Ehhh Wraith I like the town-to-scum lists but I don't like how you're not commenting on actual game stuff.
And how the hell is gandalf a stronger townread than ME?

Wraith, it is very possible that a player like MoI, Andrius, MoS who is good has eluded your scumhunting judgment

Dude you're absolutely right.
I could be not town.
WAIT A SEC.
I DONT KONW WHAT I AM
I C WUT U DID THERE

Same with WoW (@Andy, where do you get the town read on them

I can't recall anything off the top of my head. I'd have to reread.
And god knows i dont have time for that.
Or perhaps they were just leftovers and put into the town category since I already have a nice group of scumbags.

Ludi probably town.
Andy probably town.
Andy maybe town.
gand probably town.
Espeo maybe town.
VitaminR probably town.

kanye bah.
Spyrex bah.
Chronopie bah.
Pere bah.

Emp maaaybe town.

Oversoul meeeh.

Wraith. Dunno.

Katsuki. I don't care.
Furcolow. I don't care.

Bold ones are nice solid reads.
oh wait.
try again. P:

Feysal rocks.
But replaced into a scumslot.
*sigh*

simple things first

Let's make this simple.

TOWNIER THAN TURIN
6. Ellibereth

ANDY DARLING
WHAT IS THIS

Unvote

Ehhh, I think you're town for reasons I can't talk about now.
ITS OK NEXT TIME I WONT PUT YOU IN THE GENERAL TWON LIST
ILL PUT YOU IN THE LIST OF PREFERED MASONS/LOVERS:

MJAYE, ESPEO, ELLI

ok i have to look at Espeo for srs because usually i can buddy that man and i can read him easily but I'm not so sure this go around since we're usually more close than this. DONT FEEL THE CHEMISTRY.

GOING TO GO SIT WITH MJAYE OVER HERE SINCE YOU AND ELLI REJECT MY ADVANCES WHATEVER.

If you have less posts than Plum, I would support you being sent away from my beautiful castle.
If you "don't know what your role is", I would support you being sent away from my beautiful castle.

If your title is POWERFUL PRINCESS I'd shoot you in the face with a fruit launcher.
And when I shoot you, Spy, I never hit town. <3

@Andrius- I didn't see why not. I just finished a large Simpsons game that had Tom Hanks in it. Why? Because Troy McClure was on vacation, so Tom was filling in for him.
So I was fine with it, just had to determine if he was town, 3rd party or lying. Turns out the answer is could be, maybe, and yes but no.
Go figure.

This is why I need to boost my activity
so i remember what you're talking about. --;

re: Gandalf/Andrius- (assuming any truth to thier claims/posts/etc.)- I think they may be the equivalent of "blank slates", with maybe some sort of action by the seraphs to get them on a team. Or maybe more flavor stuff.

Interesting though.
HINT: MAKE ME NEIGHBORIZER PLZ

Holy fuck.
As much as I love you for flavor and SPELLING MAEDHROS RIGHT Feysal bro you need to focus more on content you're not doing anything to reverse the Kats-scumread dealio.

And furco took the bait. --;

ok seriously someone needs to break furco and feysal up so no FLAVOR ARGUMENT FOREVER --;

Feysal: I refer you to Battle of Olympus (Large Theme) game where the third-party serial-killer (who was in truth a totally justified Vigilante) had a marvelous time roleplaying, and where an Egyptian scum did a bang-up job roleplaying as his Greek counterpart as well. Therefore, I think someone's roleplaying enjoyment level is a null tell in regards to alignment.

Agreed.
Nulltell.

/wishes he rolled Beleg

just figured out that KKB = kanye ^^;

GOD WHY DOES EVERYONE IN THIS GAME CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE SIZE OF THEIR PENIS

EMPKING/MOI

SHUT UP

FURC/FEYSAL

SHUT UP

bro srsly we need to be hydra-ized I want to save you but its like you're playing troll on purpose
I think we're town AND the same person so i want this to work

espeo Y U VOTE WRAITH?

Would it be bad to pressure someone for a lynch to see how they'd react?

Hey Feysal you CAN have town/scum reads on gandalf and I.
Its not like we don't exist on the same plane.
Our necks still fit through a noose.

PRODS R COOL.

[Andrius]

Kats/Feysal is still scum FTR.
I need to reread.
I also need to die in some games.
3 larges is too many ATM.

[Andrius]

Ok I didn't want to say this in case I got bored and didn't but I'm reading the whole thread.

But srs bsns: Magna/Ludi would you be down spearheading a voting bloc with me?

[Andrius]

p.s. I love how Beleg shows up in like, every picture thus far. <3

[Andrius]

Ok this wasn't as bad as I thought.
<3 LOTR

I think my claim is vital to my victory at this point. I'm Gandalf. I know-- Gandalf isn't in the Children of Hurin story. Apparently, I got stuck in a time warp after I fought the Balrog and before I was resurrected. So my mission is to survive and ensure the integrity of the timestream. Basically, I have to make sure the events in this game parallel those in the book. The problem is that I have no flavor knowledge whatsoever. Anyway, anyone wanna help me out?

Ok, gandalf is clearly trolling in retrospect. And since he didn't know that who we think we are is most likely town, I'm inclined to believe that he's town.

Ludi is coming across VERY protown.
Kanye's focus on 3rd party is noted. Don't find it particularly scummy at this juncture, but.

@Plum:

Were any of the roles in this game(aside from the seraphs) handpicked?

I'd like to think I had a bit of influence on AGM, at least, but. :/

Furcolow's posting is the same as his town play. I'm reading him as town now.
But again

I implore you

do not claim roles that you are not. That helped ZERO in Succession and LITTLE in Cold War.

Onto the dwarves, create by Aule, they are not as prevalent. The only dwarf who is really prevalent around this time period is Mim, but we don't really have to worry about him, as he largely worked with the elves and humans against evil. He was sort of treacherous, but if he's in the game he will not be affiliated with Melkor/Angmar whatsoever who will be evil.

I beg to differ.
Mim would be my selection as Mafia Traitor.
Or perhaps a legit third party, related to his sons, perhaps, or Lyncher to Turin.
I do NOT think Mim is town-aligned

in the slightest

.
The other dwarves rock. Now, at any rate. Once the Nauglamir comes into play they don't, but that's far off.

whoever is turin, not me you guys, watch out for glaurung and beleg, you might have to kill them

I'm wondering if Glaurung and I/gandalf have to interact somehow. Since he's the one who put the curse on Nienor (and broke it too?).

I don't like how Will-o-wisp's first post (and then some) contain no vote, and merely a

FoS

. Avoiding voting.

Gandalf: Claim powers and I might unvote.

I find this to be a town-driven action.
Namely, trying to weasel out if gandalf is a harmful/helpful 3rd party, while ALSO attempting to get a reaction from gandalf. If he claimed his powers an argument could be made that he was more survival-driven than not. Anyway, Empking gets townpoints for this.

Well, first off, can a town vig kill me? I'd appreciate that. I'm a great policy vig.

Don't shoot this man.

What *were* you told then? Based on your role's level of bastardization that makes Gandalf's claim that much more believable.

Also, on the note of Seraph... why are there 2 people listed on the Looking On from Tholmiefoiesm? A Seraph for each faction? And where is Ooba?

Then again, I feel like he would have asked this in the scum QT to clarify with his scumbuddies before posting here. So... I'm not sure. The hesitancy to vote yet a slight town-tell from a n00b. Ehhh.

SpyreX is definitely not pro-town. Therefor anti-town. Spy has no reason to troll like this. Yet a small part of me Hopes for something, so we'll see. I don't think he should be the lynch for today.

VOTE COUNT #1.1

SpyreX - 1 - Gut
Gut - 2 - MagnaofIllusion, PeregrineV
Katsuki - 1 - VitaminR
Andrius - 1 - Mastermind of Sin
kanyeknowsbest - 1 - Magister Ludi
gandalf5166 -

6

- Empking, SpyreX, kanyeknowsbest, Furcolow, LordChronos, Katsuki
Furcolow - 1 - Andrius

Not Voting (9): Sun and Moon, Chronopie, gandalf5166, Ellibereth, Dekes, mockingjaye, Wraith, Espeonage, Will-o-wisp

With 22 alive it will take 12 votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 will be in approximately (but no less than) 14 days and will be exactly determined soon.

Definitely at least one scumbag on claimed_3rd party gandalf wagon. Won't push my luck, but I definitely think there's one of them here. Claimed 3rd party. Being helpful and lynching 3rd parties without voting scum. Same old argument.

I am not overreacting to votes when they have NO reason behind them, when I am adept at the subject involved (I just brought down my unfinished tales... which.... I have left unfinished after all these years), and I am actively scumhunting and calling YOU out on lying

But it's three votes, and you just flew into a rage over three votes. Regardless of any of that, it's only three votes.

Ehhhh but its how Fucolow usually is.
I understand WHY you think its scummy but I'm not as inclined to believe it as I was before.

I don't believe Gandalf.

So you think that either I somehow knew Andy's role from the start, or that there really is some glitch where those two sections ended up bolded and they just happened to line up with Andy's role? Bullshit. VOTE: Empking

OMGUS. Sorry gand.

LOLOL OBVIOUS TROLLCLAIM LOLOL

Don't like how a lot of people fell for that or pushed it, because trollclaiming like that is townie (or in gandalf's case, idunnowhatmyalignmentis) so I believe gandalf's claim. Why is that a townie action, you ask? Because it brings a lot of heat and attention down on you that I really don't think scum would risk.

So what do you think of the "we don't know who we are" claims? Hm?

i stand by lynching claimed third party. its possible there is scum on the gandalf wagon because it is the "town thing to do" but i think it is more likely that scum are on the sidelines waiting to try and lynch someone off of the gandalf wagon. claimed third party can be saved for a nonscum lynch down the road, and if they can convert an early push on the third party into a town lynch, all the better. im still into a gandalf lynch, but ill take a look and see if any of these people jumping onto wagons off of that wagon look scum to me.

spyrex's play does seem odd, but i dont think its scum play.

Except he's not really 3rd party, we just don't know what we are. Eh.

I haven't read yet but I think I want to lynch town yaaaaaay
okay here we go

wut

Definitely feeling Katsuki scum the most.

No but srsly Magna are you down for a legit alliance? A well-working alliance would do wonders. References: Frenzy Mafia. Yours truly coordinated the alliance, and while I didn't get to live long enough to see it through to how I wanted it done, Parama (and later, ThAdmiral) kept it running on the obvscum. There's townreads a plenty out there, and if we can organize a group of them we can get things moving faster. Especially if these are shorter BaM deadlines.

Andy, my PM simply says that I do not know how I win. Hey Andy. Just because you don't know your wincon doesn't mean you should start playing like scum.

Have you ever played against scum_Andy?

Future Mods, never allow gandalf5166 to join a LOTR themed game ever again.

MB

I can't do that. Sorry.

Furc is entertaining.

Unvote

You can be day two lynch.

Hmmm...

Vote: Gandalf

-turns cc cameras on-

I don't find this scummy persay, but so god help me I have no idea what he's doing. :/

Read up. Furcolow can be for vigging.

gandalf reeks of scum smell.

Ludi and MoI are likely town.

Vote: gandalf

-Moon

Try again. What do you think of his claim?
What do you think of MY claim?

I support myself being vigged
will explain more later

If you have negative utility you explain now. If you think we all hate you and are vanilla and want to be dead then that's not cool.
If you automatically hammer anyone at L-4 then yeah claim and we'll push you off a cliff. (Or are some level of Hated Townie.)



Interesting how Will-o-wisp's first vote is on Kanye, who they FoS'd pages before. Who are your other scumreads, WoW?

the eyerolling bit... just feels pompous, self-indulgent, arrogant, and unnecessary
but that's not where it started
i didnt like it the moment i read your first post

You said you would

elaborate

on being vigged, and LOL @ passive aggressive sarcasm over the internet.(How's that working for you irl?) Honestly, stop being a smurf(I censored it for you, Plum) and send a PM personally if you feel the URGE to discuss this further with Oversoul. I do not see how this contributes to the game in any manner, and that we should move on. (ANYONE IN THIS GAME has the right to say that)

--

Anyone have reliable meta on kanye?

This is a bad post.
Asking to move on with the game and then not moving on with the game.
HRMMM More likely coming from scum than town.

Would it kill you to put the s on? It's only one more letter.

This man isn't scum with SpyreX.

mjaye, darling, what do you think of SpyreX and Katsuki/Feysal?

Empking is probably scum.

But LC is.

VOTE: LC

I'm confused. The grammar makes no sense.
I realize he can't respond, but. :/

Katsuki/Magna isn't town:town. I just don't see it that way. Sorry.

@sun and Moon- the hydra with one post? C'mon now.

This.

Why would Katsuki even be in danger of being lynched?

Because he's really scum.

Spreads arms wide.

You're doing it wrong.

spyrex, urwin - ning with an e?
why aren't we lynchin' ye?

i mean you softclaimed bp and not the vested kind

spyrex, urwin - ning with an e?
why aren't we lynchin' ye?

*pout*

I'm not sure what you're getting at here and I sure haven't crumbed anything about anything.

Crumbs are icky and make ants and spiders come. You know how much I hate cobwebs in my hair, afterall!

Furcolow please be quiet.
I beg you.

TOWNIER THAN TURIN
2. Magister Ludi
6. Ellibereth
7. Mastermind of Sin
10. mockingjaye
11. Furcolow
12. Gut (Cogito Ergo Sum + chamber hydra)
17. Espeonage
20. MagnaofIllusion
21. Will-o-wisp (Oversoul + Mist Beauty hydra)


CALCIFER
1. Andrius
5. gandalf5166

SCUMMIER THAN SAURON:
14. SpyreX
15. Katsuki
16. kanyeknowsbest

NOT AS SCUMMY AS THEM:
18. Empking
22. LordChronos


POST MOAR PLZ/NEED TO PAY MORE ATTENTION TO
3. Sun and Moon (CSL + Amrun hydra)
4. Chronopie
8. Dekes
9. PeregrineV
13. Wraith
19. VitaminR

At this point in my reads:

TOWN:
Andy
Ludi
gandalf
Elli
MoS
mjaye
Furcolow
Empking
MoI
Peregrine

UNSURE:
Gut (need to pay more attention to them)
Espeonage (again, unsure)
LC


SCUM:
Katsuki
SpyreX
Sun and Moon
kanye
Will-o-wisp

WHO?
Chronopie
Dekes
Wraith
VitaminR


TOWN SERAPH:
Faramina

MORGOTH:
AGM et.al.

Sun and Moon has one post, Emp (IIRC).

When its that bad I can.

This.

Ok apparently doesn't know that gandalf and I don't know our roles. lol
But seriously that just shows bad reading comp and I don't know how he missed that.

Well, Katsuki is town.

Gut, please explain why you think Katsuki is scum.

Explain why Kat is town please, because I REALLY don't see it.

I feel like I need to post. However there really isn't much going on. Don't really feel like stirring the pot at the moment.

Just read the damn thread and comment please. Or sheep me (or Ludi), at the absolute LEAST.

Wraith is not a townread at this point.

Katsuki - 7 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, Empking, LordChronos, Gut,

Andrius, gandalf5166

Good wagon though in general.

What do you think of gandalf?

But again Wraith and I's reads are very similar. Better as a bloc voter than a lynch today methinks.

Wraith, it is very possible that a player like MoI, Andrius, MoS who is good has eluded your scumhunting judgment

I feel like the other two are much better players than I (myself being noted as having an obvscum meta).

Same with WoW (@Andy, where do you get the town read on them?),

Whatever are you talking about?

Looking forward to your scum reads rather than your town reads.

:goodposting:

Please don't shoot mjaye, anonymous people with killing abilities.

To me it looks like SpyreX is having fun and enjoying his role. I am inclined to trust that.

I'll tell you right now, if you read people by how much they "love" their role then you gotta' rethink that. You learn to love your fakeclaim. lol

Yeah that's alot of flavor-talk for nothing. Sorry Feysal. Content and voting is much better.

Hell actually a Neighborhood/Neighborizer power would be better BEFORE a bloc to coordinate but I've made do with less, so.

I am so sorry about this game. I'm going to fix it soon.

There has been a bit of miscommunication about who is going to be doing the posting... *sigh*

I see lots of shitwalls, though, and that makes me sad.

-Amrun

Just sheep my vote around for a bit until you catch up.

VOTE: Kanye

Done.

This is how a bloc is formed. <3

just like in Stars Aligned III, you became confirmed only through blind luck and not through any skillful play on your part.

I do agree with this, though.

Feysal: I refer you to Battle of Olympus (Large Theme) game where the third-party serial-killer (who was in truth a

totally justified

Vigilante

) had a marvelous time roleplaying, and where an Egyptian scum did a bang-up job roleplaying as his Greek counterpart as well. Therefore, I think someone's roleplaying enjoyment level is a null tell in regards to alignment.

<3

@MOD – Please make me a multi-shot Vig. Thank you!

Neighborized please. <3
I've been a good boy too, not using dirty words!

Ok before I go to bed ready to jet off to the sandy shores of my resort at 6am I think it best I drop some knowledge on the playerbase.

I’ve been contacted with some information by the Powers that Be. At this point I can’t be certain which set is which but I’m strongly leaning in one direction.

Here is the information provided to me by Seraph1.

The Seraphs are Hurin and Morgath as players expect.

They generally operate in the open – all possible QTs created by the Seraphms are viewable by the opposing Seraph.

They have a wide variety of powers. They claim to be able to

1. Neighborize and Deneighborize with them.
2. Activate or deactive ‘Latent abilities’.
3. They also can give out ‘boons’ (not their words). I did not get a full list of boons but Seraph1 did specificy that there were several boons that were definitely scum oriented – Tailor, Ninja and Unprotectible (not able to be Doced). Per Seraph1 some boons will inform the target they have received them and some do not. This may be important later.
4. Finally the Seraphs have the ability to determine they actions of the opposing Seraph.

They also claim to be able to vote. Keep this in mind when placing someone at L-1.

The Seraph mechanics work differently than Vi’s version – they don’t have costs but they take turns taking actions. They trade off on a 36 hour schedule. This may be important for future coordination when deciding to hammer a player on a schedule to rob the Evil Seraph of their next action.

Seraph1 provided this rundown.

Seraph2 basically responded with “The cake is a lie” and said there was no Town reason to provide this information so early. I disagree with that, at least as much as Town knows that Tailor and Ninja powers may be about.

Based on what you said Faramina is town and AGThor is scum.
That's easy.

NOT SURE AT ALL how HURIN is a Seraph given he was on a chair the entire story and only made things WORSE once he was freed, but whatever.

SERAPHS.
NEIGHBORIZER PLEASE.

Oh, and if you can fix gandalf and I that'd be AWESOME.
Just saying.

Why aren't Andy & Gandalf activated then?

No clue. If I get more info I will give it (whenever I next get internet access).

Yeah I'd love to get a clear role, please and thank you.

Why did the pick Magna to impart the wisdom of the heavens upon?

He dies N1 anyway. To be the mouthpiece of the Seraph is to wear a target on your forehead.

I did in the game that shall not be named.
Was nightkilled, surprise surprise.
The job doesn't come with Health Insurance.

MoI's Seraph post just shot him up to basically confirmed town in both of your eyes. Also, his post confirms that Andrius and Gandalf are likely telling the truth as not everything about their role is clear which makes a lynch on Gandalf even more unlikely and forced.

Not necessarily. lol
Don't make that jump too soon.

Vote: Feysal/Katsuki

Let's get this scum dead and gone and then we can move on.

p.s. Neighbors rock.

[Andrius]

If anything, I think Mim would be a lyncher to Beleg, not Turin, just sayin'.

After all, he wanted the orcs to let Turin go free, and Beleg to be tied out for Mim's own brand of pain. /just-read-the-chapter

Ok, that makes sense.
But game content would be much better.

[Andrius]

you stopped wanting to be my neighbor when Magna got the mystical message from on high. I see how it is. Good thing I'm not the jealous type in this game, lol.

<3
Blocs would be better with coordination first, like coordinating who should be in them.
Of course I wouldn't turn you down for Magna.
"in this game"?

Espeonage just read the game please.

Ok Furco just don't do anything stupid. If I'm going to regret you doing this then don't do it.

Andrius, how did we go from having a Townier than Turin status to being scum? The posts you quoted are ambivalent and your comments don't seem to point in any direction.

Mist and I have different reads, but we agree that Kanye is likely to be scum.

My top three scumpicks are

Kanye
VitaminR/Ellie
Feysal

I'll let Mist post her top scumpicks.

Why are we letting players who are doing nothing (Ellie and Espeonage) get away with very little participation? Also, I don't understand why Kanye is not trying to move a wagon on someone else yet other people are actively questioning the wagon (Spyrex).

Magna could have easily withheld that information. Instead he chose to post very helpful information that could lead to an explanation on your role (and by proxy, Gandalf's role) and give town a large amount of information. That is why we are confident in Magna town. Why do you even have problem with this if you are forming a voting bloc with him and Ludi?

- Oversoul

Ah, here we go.
I named the reasons quite succinctly in my post- at least I thought I did.

I don't like how you made the jump to "confirmed town" for Magna. Despite the fact he could be, (as I don't see scum_Seraphs putting that time and energy and early moves in attempting to come across as town), you quickly (perhaps rashly)

assume

he's confirmed town.
See it now?

I don't have a problem with Magna being town, I think he is town. But jumping straight to

confirmed town

is a leap that isn't often made. :/

[Andrius]

Andy: Gandalf is scummier than you. That's basically where I'm at with him a couple of points left of you and sice you're alignment is based on flavour spec...

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that MOI just made up his post. I know I'm far from calling him confirmed town.

Sure of course I understand.

Actually, I can see that happening. Hadn't thought that he could fake it, but its an interesting insight.

[Andrius]

Sun and Moon need to post or replace out.
The not posting deal is not cool.
If you don't have time to give to the game then don't play.
I'm not saying you have to reread or anything but srsly you have FOUR posts.
FOUR.

[Andrius]

Ok I didn't want to say this in case I got bored and didn't but I'm reading the whole thread.

But srs bsns: Magna/Ludi would you be down spearheading a voting bloc with me?

No but srsly Magna are you down for a legit alliance? A well-working alliance would do wonders. References: Frenzy Mafia. Yours truly coordinated the alliance, and while I didn't get to live long enough to see it through to how I wanted it done, Parama (and later, ThAdmiral) kept it running on the obvscum. There's townreads a plenty out there, and if we can organize a group of them we can get things moving faster. Especially if these are shorter BaM deadlines.

Ludi, since Magna is gone.
Would you be down?

[Andrius]

Who are we blocking on. Seriously, I think kanye is more likely mafia, but I have more town reads on Feysal wagon.

Feysal.

Espeonage unvote. You're not voting because you think he's scum you're voting because you want a lynch.


(Writing an essay now only posting b/c I'm taking a break.)

[Andrius]

VOTE COUNT #1.12

gandalf5166 - 2 - kanyeknowsbest, SpyreX
kanyeknowsbest -

9

- Will-o-wisp, mockingjaye, Wraith, Magister Ludi, Sun and Moon, Gut, PeregrineV, Feysal, Espeonage
Feysal - 7 - Mastermind of Sin, MagnaofIllusion, LordChronos, Andrius, gandalf5166, Empking, Furcolow
LordChronos - 1 - VitaminR
PeregrineV - 1 - Dekes

Not Voting (2): Chronopie, Ellibereth

With 22 alive it will take 12 votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 will be in 5 days.

FIVE DAYS! And Im not going to figure out the countdown timer tags tonight, so tomorrow.

Chronopie and Elli need to be prodded for content. Dekes and Vitamin need to take a stance on a bigger wagon.
WE HAVE FIVE DAYS. THIS WILL NOT BE A DEADLINE LYNCH.

Espeonage needs to unvote and actually give a damn about the game.

I'd coordinate a bloc but without Magna here... :/

SPYREX. Do you think gandalf and I are the same alignment? Aka, if you think he's scum faking do you think

I

am doing the same? You've called for my death a couple times now. And yes, I can see you as having a Post Restriction but its a crappy one I feel would come from you trying to excuse your bad (or sub-par) play. This is one of those games where my scumread of you would trump my love and your brains would wind up being splattered with a pineapple.

MJAYE.
LUDI.
THIS IS MY FORMAL INVITATION TO JOIN THE FEYSAL/KATSUKI WAGON.

[Andrius]

This is the millionth time my being a princess has been brought up as if its some cover for not saying anything.

This is the millionth time it has also been wrong. Two hundred and fifty thousand times in and perhaps it could be a mistake, but a million? No.

The chances of both of you being town are minimal. Gandalf has opted to play like scum as well as teehee TIME COP. If I could defenestrate the both of you I would because I am that sure the net gain is at least one dead scum.

Both of these wagons are bad. I want nothing to do with either of them.

That's cool Spy.
Because if I'm correct as to who we both are
I'm prettier than you.

[Andrius]

For your lies and falsehoods I will see you in a grave.

There is none prettier in the land than I. NONE.

I am A BEAUTIFUL PRINCESS.

If I'm right as to who both of us are
I get Turin.

[Andrius]

Dead tired right now. If I don't have a post up by tomorrow evening, I don't think I'll be able to keep up with this game and will ask to be replaced. I don't wanna really though so I'm gonna try my best.

Join the bloc.
Vote FayKat.

[Andrius]

I'd coordinate a bloc but without Magna here... :/

It seems I have very limited access this week. Don't expect lots of content from me but I can be around to vote in Block form as needed.

Who is in the suggested block again?

You
Ludi
Myself
gandalf
mjaye
MoS
Elli
Furco

8 for now. If we can agree on these 8 that's a solid core to work with in the beginning.
I have others but 8 is solid for today.

[Andrius]

Im ok with a town voting bloc
why do you include elli?
really null on them... they havent really contributed anything that i remember

Because. Just wait and see.

Andrius:
This is just a cunning play to get Fey lynched, isn't it?

I approve.

Its long-term, actually. Read Frenzy Mafia. But yes it is to help drive the lynch on Feysuki.

Im ok with a town voting bloc
why do you include elli?
really null on them... they havent really contributed anything that i remember

me neither!
all the town reads on me are really weird. usually when I'm like this everyone wants me dead.

VOTE FEYSAL

[Andrius]

p.s. Not all the bloc voters have to be town to work.
You were in Frenzy, Furco.

[Andrius]

Andrius:
This is just a cunning play to get Fey lynched, isn't it?

I approve.

he's quite the cunning linguist, indeed

ebwop: frenzy was rofl-easy

Parama/Exe/Andy you can't go wrong.

[Andrius]

That it did.
Would have been better if it worked without the Pom dealio and reseting the powers, but it all worked in the end. <3

[Andrius]

LUDI. <3
What say you to the voting bloc?

[Andrius]

DEKES!!!!

Ok lets swing WoW.
Can we dig that, bloc?

[Andrius]

Vote: Peregrine

Let's do this. 2 days to deadline. If this doesn't happen we move back to KatFeysal, who is getting all my bullets tonight.

Also.
HEY AGM. THOR. FARADAY. MINA.
I SURE AS HELL WOULD LOVE TO PLAY PART OF THE GAME WITH AN ACTUALY WIN CONDITION.
JUST SAYING.
/prefers town

[Andrius]

OHAITHAR PLUM

[Andrius]

mjaye should be a dear and jump over here.

[Andrius]

Ok read this page and two anti-town fakeclaims.
ARE ALL BASTARD GAMES THIS... BASTARDLY?

Reading and catching up now plz hold.

[Andrius]

Also fuck you whoever killed Beleg.
Seriously, if I could have chosen who I wanted it'd be him.

[Andrius]

Andy ... you have questions waiting for you. Please answer them.

Also ... how do you know both Feysal and Furc are fake-claiming?

I don't know.
But self-aligned isn't aligned with the town.
Not like I'm a shiny example of being town right now (???), but.

[Andrius]

Ok so seriously. What was with the turnaround yesterday?

Vote: Andrius

We were voting. Trying to actually do something.

Wait he has no role. Hmmm.

Vote Furc

So what's it going to be you have bad memory or were looking for an excuse to vote me?
How's that reread going?

Vote: Feysal

One of him and kanye is scum. Calling it like I see it, and when we had a wagon that close and someone moved it off, onto town, we saw a counter-wagon to save scum. Like Court of the Gods.

Every single one of you on this wagon needs to explain in detail why you were voting for him.

Deadline lynch. I couldn't sway the bloc over to Feysal, and failed.

You know what, I just remembered something. Kanye can wait, because FEYSAL started the Peregrine lurkerwagon to save his own skin.

Unvote Vote: Feysal

Haha, its funny because Court of the Gods was a counter-wagon to save FEYSAL_SCUM. haha

And that means more than the people that made it a wagon and weren't trying to save themseves, why?

This is a good town question.

I'm confused with both the question's wording and why its a good "town" question.

When the hell is it ever a better idea to go after a lurker so close to deadline? You receive barely any information on their flip.

VOTE: Herodtus

Probably Cult, SK, Mafia, or a 3rd Party due to Plum having to delay the game in order to let Herodotus submit an action.

I haven't really talked to my partner in a while because she has been super busy, but I will poke her.

- Oversoul

Or it was her being nice to him?
Scummy.

ISO 26 – Both Kayne and Feysal need rope.

Yes. Thinking Feysal.
Again.
My wagon was stolen from me.

VOTING BLOC ASSEMBLE.

--

TOWN SERAPH:
Faramina

MORGOTH:
AGM et.al.

Um how exactly did you come by this assessment?

Actually, I can see that happening. Hadn't thought that he could fake it, but its an interesting insight.

In light of my response to Empking above I’d like your thoughts on why I would do that given the high risk, zero reward nature of that play.

You
Ludi
Myself
gandalf
mjaye
MoS
Elli
Furco

Pending your responses to the above I find this list very acceptable.

Spoiler: This post, magna

Ok before I go to bed ready to jet off to the sandy shores of my resort at 6am I think it best I drop some knowledge on the playerbase.

I’ve been contacted with some information by the Powers that Be. At this point I can’t be certain which set is which but I’m strongly leaning in one direction.

Here is the information provided to me by Seraph1.

The Seraphs are Hurin and Morgath as players expect.

They generally operate in the open – all possible QTs created by the Seraphms are viewable by the opposing Seraph.

They have a wide variety of powers. They claim to be able to

1. Neighborize and Deneighborize with them.
2. Activate or deactive ‘Latent abilities’.
3. They also can give out ‘boons’ (not their words). I did not get a full list of boons but Seraph1 did specificy that there were several boons that were definitely scum oriented – Tailor, Ninja and Unprotectible (not able to be Doced). Per Seraph1 some boons will inform the target they have received them and some do not. This may be important later.
4. Finally the Seraphs have the ability to determine they actions of the opposing Seraph.

They also claim to be able to vote. Keep this in mind when placing someone at L-1.

The Seraph mechanics work differently than Vi’s version – they don’t have costs but they take turns taking actions. They trade off on a 36 hour schedule. This may be important for future coordination when deciding to hammer a player on a schedule to rob the Evil Seraph of their next action.

Seraph1 provided this rundown.

Seraph2 basically responded with “The cake is a lie” and said there was no Town reason to provide this information so early. I disagree with that, at least as much as Town knows that Tailor and Ninja powers may be about.

ONE) I thought that helpful information would be more likely to come from Butterfly.
Though the biggest tell, if you will, was the "the cake is a lie". Thought that definitely came from AGM.
And helpfulness = town. Especially with the unknown.

TWO) Yeah, when you put it like that, (the high risk low payoff line) it makes less sense from a scum perspective. I think along the lines of "how do i get more towncred as town" deal. Like in the recently-ended Strategy Mafia, I wanted to use my one-shot ability for uber towncred, while the scumbuddies wanted to use it for killin's.

THREE) Sweet because that's a list of awesome town.

@Feysal - The Seraph QT is requesting that you claim your Rolename, Alignment, and Night-action from N1 in your next post.

The Voting Bloc also demands that your head be fit into a noose.

Oh, I also want to make it clear right now: gandalf is not anti-town.

Yeah, he's ???

GANDALFFFFFFFF
YOU LUCKY BASTARD.
TAKE ME WITH YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

And now we wait with baited breath and quivering bosom for Andrius to show up.

Still nobody special.


(C WUT I DID)

I've had a role for awhile now. Still just the MYSTERIOUS MYSTERIES deal.

I agree with a Dekes lynch, but at this point in the reading material Feysal still DESPERATELY needs a lynching.

GURTHANG.
HAHAHA
BELEG
AND GURTHANG.
But seriously I loved Gurthand and his relationship with Beleg and Turin.
Anywho.

Feysal: How do you win?

Yeah, I still think Spy is more likely scum than town.

Feysal is not scum

His win condition is like "must survive to endgame" not "must kill town"

How do you know that, Furc?

This.

I'm not a watcher. I am Mim the petty dwarf, a 3rd party survivor that was immune to 1 night kill, and got to learn someone's alignment
Feysal is not evil

my win condition also changed last night btw

Furcolow: How do you win? How did you win?

I don't follow how he magically changes wincons at night but bastard and all.

Lol at Andy.

"i is has no exp with basterd gamez"

Feysal should be left alive. I see no reason to doubt his claim, and he's likely going to cooperate. I'mn pretty sure he's SK though, not survivor. Furc having a result on him that says he's not evil just means he's not mafia.

Ok I know I'm new to bastard games but I still don't see how keeping a SK on a leash is a good idea.

[Andrius]

Yep!

[Andrius]

Yeah I remember that- the Adventurer's Party?

[Andrius]

One last tidbit

– Mina also indicates at least one other player has access to the QT. Mina has requested they keep themselves hidden in QT / thread since I have already outed myself.

--

Ok .. back to current events –

@Andy

– Mina wanted to know exactly you thought she / Faraday were Seraph1 when I didn’t give out their names. I’ll wait to see what she says about your answer.

I will say that it troubles me that the slam-dunk for you on it was AGM saying “The cake is a lie”. That’s because he didn’t actually say those words … I used that catch-phrase myself to summarize the “Don’t believe the hype” message he was going on about in a few words when it has been paragraphs.
Ok … back to in thread land.

Its not me, I'll say that now because if it WAS I'd have a role by now.

No problem! Butterfly, from experience, is a very active and helpful hydra. Court of the Gods, Strategy Mafia. That's "exactly why". Just a read based on what you said.

Oh.
:/
Well, I still think AGM is the scum seraph as he's more likely to pull a "help yourselves jackass" deal than a "hi we're butterfly and this is how we can help you!"

[Andrius]

So … why do I think AGM / Thor is Morgoth

–

Mina and Faraday have been very helpful and Proactive in providing me information. That in itself isn’t an absolute slam-dunk. In fact one of the reasons why it did take me some time to solidify my reads is that I know Faraday has a propensity to buddy me as scum (you do bud ) and Mina hates my guts. So their choice of me wasn’t sure-fire Town.

What sold me was AGM’s play (I only mention him since Thor isn’t in the QT at all). When questioned he has not said anything that Mina / Faraday have said about the mechanics is incorrect. All he’s done is say “Hey, no reason for you to be hear”. So I don't think his "They are trying to fool you" stance makes much sense when they apparently aren't actually lying about anything.

If AGM truly thought Mina and Faraday were trying to decive me about the game he would be pointing out the information they were saying that were lies. The only thing he’s said is a lie is their claim of Town Seraph.

Secondly his constant refrain of “No reason to be here” rings hollow. Mina and Faraday spent a turn action to bring me in. Even if AGM is right that there is no reason early on for me to be there … BAM … there I am free to AGM’s disposal to give out information as necessary. It’s like a free Xmas gift … he has me as a conduit for any information he wanted. And he does NOTHING with it. I’m not asking for reads … hell … he could have me asking questions and pointing stuff out without giving me squat about his and Thor’s abilities if he wanted. That’s why I think his stance isn’t truthful.

Yeah this sounds like typical Butterfly and typical AGM.
Butterfly is town.
AGM stop pretending.

[Andrius]

If AGM truly thought Mina and Faraday were trying to decive me about the game he would be pointing out the information they were saying that were lies.

THISSSSSSS

[Andrius]

Well, I must have been activated by some other means. Maybe the seraph's ability is for something else. In fact, something else happened to me last night that might be related(I hadn't given it a second thought until now). Rather not say what it is though, I'll know more tomorrow, if it's relevant I'll bring it up again.

Ok well send them my way or something I'd love to have a role.
JUST SAYING.
IT'D BE COOL.
I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT.

But yes claimed 3rd parties need to claim WinCons.

[Andrius]

Now, in princess school, one of the subjects I had to deal with was logic puzzles.

Ohh those knights and knaves. They were nothing but a source of endless frustration.

However, there was one thing I learned really quick: you can never tell a knight from a knave by asking them if they are a knight or a knave.

My daddy bought me a new village for learning that.

The question here is, of course: why are some people apparently missing the point of that? I mean, my assets have never been in the world of books, and even I know better.

I was going to say I knew what you were getting at.
But then I didn't.

Asking third parties to claim is now a dumb idea?

[Andrius]

HAHAHAHAHA
CLICKED ON THE PAGE ICON BY MOS' NAME
ALMOST POSTED IN ANOTHER THREAD
HEHEHAHAHA

[Andrius]

Ok I don't know if its just because I'm tired or because I'm stupid but I can't parse meaning from the third lines.

[Andrius]

What am I supposed to be seeing?
Besides my own posting.

[Andrius]

Sometimes we have to look into our glorious mirror to see

our perfect perfection

our flaws.

[Andrius]

Ok .. that was probably a little too snarky. Let me elaborate.

Leashed Serial Killers are never a good idea. Why? They have no long term motivation to actually help Town. Their goal is to survive long enough to achieve their wincondition which does not mesh with Town. So unlike a Town vig they do not have pure motivations. The question becomes … how do you ‘leash’ them. Town’s only threat is basically the promise of a lynch if they do not shoot ‘approved targets’. Since the targets are public the Mafia have full disclosure and can choose to interfere or not (via roleblock / redirect / whatever they have at their disposal). Thus you are certain of having dead Townies when Town directs poorly but no guarantee of dead Mafia when they choose wisely. This situation doesn’t aid Town.

Look at Battle for Olympus as a perfect example. When Gemini was outed as a Serial Killer they promised to shoot as Town directed. What happened instead? We lynched her and halved the number of Non-Town kills. This extended the game allowing Town more time to sort through the jumble of poorly playing Townies (Chesskid / Nacho) and have time to lynch the Hated Townie pre-LYLO.

Without killing Gemini town probably didn’t have time to survive that many mislynches.

The only time you don’t lynch an outed Serial Killer is when you have a guaranteed scum lynch that same day or it is LYLO and lynching a Serial Killer gives scum the win (in which case Town is screwed anyway).

--

I hope Feysal is town
his claim was shitty, though

Ok, I know I am going to kick myself for asking but – WTF? You’ve already said that you KNEW he wasn’t a Town Vig. And then he directly claimed 3rd party. And you say this?

--

Ok … if there is any other information out there that would indicate a better target (aka Mafia) for lynch it needs to come out soon. Otherwise I really don’t see letting Feysal live with his claim as it is.

This man speaks the truth. Also why I pushed for killing nopoint and tans in BNM- cutting down on the nightkills against the town. :/
But yes if he's a SK then he needs to go because the OC of keeping him around is detrimental to the town especially with mafia potentially screwing with kills. :/

Also, I was kinda right with my Kats read.

This reminds me - to those who said "Kats replace-out is a town tell" - I have one thing to say

<3

How does Plum use flavor on nightkills in general?

This is important.

How do you mean? Read LOTR Mafia, the large. The last game she ran with killflavor. Each mafioso had their own killflavor but I don't see how it applies. :/

[Andrius]

Ok so Amrun is posting all over the site like it is going out of style.

Meanwhile we get nothing from S&M.

S&M are also lurker scum. Adjust your lynch lists accordingly.

*snickers* S&M, eh? Yeah they're lurker scum too.
But Feysal lynch first?
Do bastard games usually have an unusual number of 3rd parties?

[Andrius]

But Feysal lynch first?

Once we see that there are no more "Hey, Player Y is scum" posts and Mina / Faraday check in with their thoughts (timing might be an issue .. remember they operate on a 36 flipped cycle) I think we can assemble the block and make Feysal all dead.

I'll be here.

[Andrius]

I need to dig up the "Slap a Lannister" jpg from Battle of Olympus and put it to work on Gandalf.

[Andrius]

Hi all.

I am writing this with a heavy heart. Something deeply personal has come up in my life. I will be unable to think mafia, let alone play it, for at least the next four days, and perhaps more.

Mod, it is up to you what you do with this slot. If you want to wait on me, keep in mind that four days is a very rough guess, it could be many more, and I make no promises. I'm sorry to force you to look for a replacement like this.

I hope your hopes and prayers are with me for the next short while, guys, it's a great community here and I hope i'm able to get back as soon as possible.

Regards,

Ludi

All will be well.
<3

[Andrius]

Ok back Doesn't seem like much happened.

If somehow enough of you don't want to lynch Feysal Esp HAS to be on the short-list (or hung today).

@EVERYONE

- Also to let you know ... AGM has basically just claimed Scum Seraph in QT by asking for a Modkill on Mina / Faraday (yes, it was in a humerous fashion). But the post leaves little room for doubt that he has just accepted his fate.

I bet this is happening right now:
Thor is MIA
AGM is claiming scum out of boredom/notgivingafuck
mina is being indecisive
andy is sad that no one loves him enough to give him a role

[Andrius]

Why?

[Andrius]

Like he said earlier what reason does he have to lie?

[Andrius]

He said someone else did but he didn't want to name them.

[Andrius]

Like he said earlier what reason does he have to lie?

What reason does he have not to? There is no way we can confirm his information...even if he does have contact with the Seraphs, it's hella easy to just feed us some verifiable truths and then lie through his teeth about other things. I'm taking it with a grain of salt, especially since the existence of the Seraphs have absolutely no relevance to me right now. I can't kill them, so I don't really care which ones are on which side. Talking about Seraph alignment is just a really good way to avoid talking about something that truly matters, like which of the people we can actually lynch might be scum.

To conclude, I don't know if MoI is scum or not, but I'm certainly not going to sheep to whatever he's saying like it's the gospel.

If he was lying the other person in the seraph QT could CC him and ---> DEADZILLAAAAAA
But no.
I think we're good for now.

And luckily for YOU, we're a bloc not a follow-magnaocracy. (Though there might be those who would debate the latter being better.)

[Andrius]

K READING BE BACK IN A JIFFY

[Andrius]

Ok yeah did kanye siteflake or what?
Feysal is SK, Kanye is probably the mafia lynch D1 we didn't get to.
Just like Feysal was in Court of the Gods.

How did you draw this particular conclusion?

Magic

You've mentioned him 0 times, saying everything from that duo is AGM.
I infered.

Hi ooba! <3

Espeonage, Furco is claiming lover [?] with Feysal_SK [?]
Now stop commenting like you aren't involved in the game.

1. Andrius - I'd say Andrius was telling the truth about not receiving his role. However, I think he was recruited to the scum team at around page 28 or so (towards the end of D1). This is dependent on kanye flipping scum though. I would have also expected gandalf to change to town at the same time but maybe I'm wrong or Plum choose not to design the two roles that way.

Why page 28?

Unvote, Vote: kanyeknowsbest

Since the Feysal wagon isn't going anywhere and kanye is likely scum as well.
Also, we need a list of people for Feysal to shoot at, if we're keeping him leashed.

So initially I thought S&M was scum for just not posting.
Then I though of how I'm slowly losing the will to play right now, so. :/
I'm not sure. They need to commit or replace out IMO.

ooba is town.

Anyone need anything from me, or?
We should mobilize the voting bloc, but most of them are already moving.

[Andrius]

Okay.
So you can pretty much join the mafia if they kill you, the SK, the vig, etc.
Right? >___>

Can you change back multiple times?
You can confirm people as mafia that way, if they ever kill you ofc.

[Andrius]

dont touch mjaye
im hoping against all hope that some divine magicks will drop down and make us lovers or even neighbors but apparently that's too much to ask for let alone a ROLE

[Andrius]

APPARENTLY GIVING ME A ROLE ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH
I DONT WANT TO BE NEIGHBORIZED YOU ASSHATS
I WANT A GODDAMN ROLE IS THAT TOO HARD FOR YOU

I'll read and post after I:
1) peruse the supersecret qt i was sent
2) shower

[Andrius]

fyi agm is mostl likely the scum seraph
thor is MIA and has 0 posts in the seraph qt
agm's all like nooooooooo talking to normal people is baaaad

and yeah i can confirm what magna said throughout the day

about seraph stuff

p.s. hurin as a seraph makes no sense whatsoever as he spent his time strapped to a chair but whatever bastard game is bastard

[Andrius]

When I have more time in the AM I'll address why the following is happening ...

UNVOTE: Kayne
VOTE: Sun and Moon

But first a question

-

What do you do to a uber-lurking Hydra that has provided zero content all game long when one of the heads, whose excuse for said lack of content was "I have no time and am overloaded", turns around and signs up for a new game as a solo player?

Imaginary cookies to everyone who gets the right answer!!!!

Yeah.
They deserve death.
But we are strapped for TIME and although I'd be fine swinging over that-a-way I don't think we can coordinate a massive shift in time.
Though you made it sound, in-QT, that it was the HYDRA signing up for new games, not just one head of the hydra.

(one of them will)
(its Andy)

(hey spy remember i dont have a role)
(you should pray to whoever has powerz to help a brother out)

[Andrius]

AGM just claimed scum seraph in QT.

[Andrius]

WELL FUCK
I HAD A POST AND IT DECIDED TO EAT ITSELF
OK WELL BASICALLY

fuck
this
shit

[Andrius]

I don't really care if they don't want me to know tell you this or not because well I don't have a role so I'll do as I please in the meantime.
Because SOMEONE has the power and it remains out of my reach.
Anywho.
So AGM claimed scum seraph.
Faramina action'd Magna into the QT.
AGM draggeed me in for reasons UNKNOWN to myself and anyone else with two cents for a brain.
Thor has 0 posts in the QT.
The MYSTERY THIRD PERSON I highly doubt is actually a person. I think its a charade, personally.
BUT WHATEVER.
Now.
I still don't see the point of the Seraphs since they're just like ohhh actions wheeee unless this is supposed to be like those vi games where seraphs give powers to an otherwise powerless town and scumteam. And the QT I'm now a part of is boring as hell. Its basically AGM watching Faramina and Magna talk about game-related stuff. Oh yeah, but they can't talk about SECRET STUFF because AGM is watching along with MYSTERY PERSON (who for the record might not actually be another player) and now me FOR REASONS UNKNOWN TO MYSELF.
So these "spies" like magna and mystery person are kinda' useless since the seraphs can't say anything without the other watching.

So yeah.

TUNE IN NEXT TIME TO HEAR HOW ANDY STILL DOESNT HAVE A ROLE

WOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Andrius]

Town Seraph, hand out the vig powers to an obv town player so that we don't have 8+ scummy players and one lynch each day phase =[

Well they admitted they dont have DAYKILL powers.
Magna was begging for lurker-killing powers.
no daykills, sadly.

NO GOLLUM THIS GAME PLUM
GOLLUM
GOLLUM
GOLLUM

[Andrius]

ok i feel like a troll
and its not a good feeling
like, its fun
but its not like at the end of the day i get a "WELL I DID STUFF TODAY" feeling
so
the excitement's worn off
one of these days i HOPE to get a role and alignment

but for now
i got 99 problems and a role ain't one

[Andrius]

hey at least you have a role now

im just

[Andrius]

Nothing new game-related. I've been going off in-QT about this stupid fly buzzing around my room that I can't seem to kill no matter what and how its really annoying but you don't need to hear about that.

[Andrius]

I got this Herodotus:
I'm pretty sure AGM knows who they are. He did say he doesn't have their QT link though. Whether that's a lie or not remains to be seen. Technically the first part is unconfirmed too, but. :/
I'm not 100% sure but they make it seem like either:
A) They have the same ability list
B) They have similar lists, though have different abilities per faction, and they know which the other has

[Andrius]

Also, Magna's being patronizing towards me and my rapid posting in the Seraph QT.

AGM also commented that the town seraph powers suck, implying some form of knowledge as to what they are.

What else is relevant hrmmmm

[Andrius]

First a friendly information post –

AGM has officially claimed Scum Seraph in the QT. I confirm that Andy is pretty much accurately describing what is going on there (except for calling me patronizing … asking you to stop spamming isn’t being patronzing ).

So from now on I am going to ask Mina / Faraday to tell us whenever AGM / Thor are on the clock.

If ANYTHING remotely negative happens to you during the period that AGM / Thor is active you should immediately claim it in thread.

Things like being made a Miller, having any latent powers revoked (while not explaining said powers), or anything else that benefits scum.

This will help Town via the information and allow Mina and Faraday more freedom in choosing their moves if they have additional information about what AGM / Thor are doing.

Thank you for your attention.

And of course I can confirm anything this man says.
(Though you WERE patronizing.)

1.Treat with an apparent kindness that betrays a feeling of superiority.

(You called me YOUNG PADAWAN. Unless you're trying to make fun of yourself being old (highly unlikely) then you're clearly pulling rank on the Baker.)

But I digress.
I'm currently trying to figure some stuff out in the Seraph QT, and I'll be around to vote-hop to secure a deadline lynch if the refuse from the D1 lynch doesn't happen.

[Andrius]

Deadline for Day 2 will be (expired on 2011-10-13 11:59:59)

.

[Andrius]

Oh hey Amrun you might try voting while signed in a Sun and Moon.
Just saying.
She probably won't count it otherwise.

[Andrius]

Deadline for Day 2 will be (expired on 2011-10-13 11:59:59)

.

Anybody who isnt voting one of vitR or kanye should switch immediately.

unvote vote vitaminr

I AM GOING TO BED
I WILL BE UP IN 7 HOURS

ASSUMING I DONT SKIP CLASS AGAIN

WHEN I AM UP
I WILL CHECK THE THREAD
AND I WILL HAVE ONE HOUR
I WILL VOTE SHIFT TO VITAMIN IF HE'S CLOSER TO BEING LYNCHED
YOU HAVE SEVEN HOURS TO GET ALL YOUR LAZY ASSES IN GEAR
WHILE I SLEEP
HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET A LYNCH TODAY
HOPEFULLY

[Andrius]

Ok I'm here but I have to go to class soon.

Wraith I can't help but feel you're being cynical. I see punctuation.
Anywho.

I would rather see kanye swing.
I will shift right before I leave my apartment though, if nothing happens. <3

[Andrius]

Done deal.

Unvote, Vote: VitaminR

[Andrius]

I was already on kanye, Feysal.
Else I would have voted him.

[Andrius]

To: Mist Beauty
From: Faraday

MIST BEAUTY YOU DON'T NEED TO FUCKING POST OFF HYDRA TO CONFIRM YOU POSTED ON HYDRA


WHAT THE FUCK

Right now Faramina is drunk and all the seraphs are complaining about S&M's fail hydra. CSL is posting everywhere onsite and Amrun is joining new games while disregarding this one. OPEN 347, ANYONE?

Then Faraday was shamelessly plugging for AFFC.
AGM wants to play a drinking game in the Seraph QT. And then a mafia game inside a mafia game- the seraphs would run a game with the neighborized people inside the Seraph QT.
Faraday talked about being drunk at goofbash.
We've SUPPOSEDLY got two "new" people in the Seraph QT.
I think its bullshit.
Will investigate further.
So if you think anyone HERE is washing their hands of the lynch...

... the seraphs have already forgotten it and are now drunk.

This is your bored-as-hell UNKNOWN player hoping someone loves him enough to put him out of this misery.

[Andrius]

OOOOOOHHHHH
I finally figured out who Gut is.
Anywho I was reminded that posting from a QT might be modkillable.
I was thinking that like moco I'd be ok since the seraphs had me relay messages all gameday in that one but whatever if i die i die.

[Andrius]

*sigh*

In case I'm dead tomorrow, let it be known that the following need to be lynched:

Wraith
Mockingjaye

Also, look strongly into the people that wagon-hopped between Kanye and VitR today.

mjaye is town.

[Andrius]

HEY FEYSAL
YOU SHOULD TRY AND KILL SCUM NOW
JUST SAYING

Also, there's a message from the Seraphs that I'll be posting once I get confirmation.
Magna was dropped from the Seraph QT. AGM had the last action, so he presumably dropped Magna.

ALSO
GANDALF
YOUR ROLE
ITS SO PRETTY

Is it bad I have no idea who Aerin is?

I might as well confirm it now, Brandir was also on my list, as you might have guessed from the flavor. Now only two remain.

Turin and Glaurung.
Right?
So your list had 4 names, yes? Do you know WHO they are? Because if so, one is Glaurung and the other is Turin- so we have confirmed non-town within that list. (BARRING BASTARD SHENANIGANS BUT)

My vote will come with the announcement.

[Andrius]

Dekes so you're saying that Feysal lied about his killflavor, despite it CLEARLY being similar? I feel like he'd have to be dumb as a stick or ballsy to do that.

Yes, we did waste time to lynch scummy towns folk, but Feysal has to go rather sooner than later as he's obviously not interested in helping the town at all.

He's got to kill Glaurung sooner or later.
So he's very much helpful for us.

I like how your catchup post focuses solely on the already-claimed SK.

@MoI
I may have missed it, but how did the Seraphs react to Feysal's claim? Was it what they expected? Do they believe his claim? Do they still want him dead?

I'd answer for him, but I don't remember seeing ANYTHING in the QT in regards to that.
I'll doublecheck.

[Andrius]

Faraday said leashing Feysal was ok, in response to Magna's .no its not'.

Mina complaining about a really confusing game, in regards to Feysal being claimed SK but "not evil" via Furcolow.

Faraday going LOL FEYSAL in response to... something

Mina wondering why Furco claimed Feysal targeting him. And some eariler stuff that doesn't matter much.

[Andrius]

^In reverse order, in QT from D2.

[Andrius]

ATTN: TOWN

THE SERAPHS HAVE DECREED THAT EMPKING MUST DIE

Vote: Empking

This has been a public service announcement.

[Andrius]

Faraday just confirmed that they wanted to direct Feysal's shot. The claim is semi-plausible.

Furthermore, him targeting someone who WANTED to die and thus wasting a kill is VERY WEIRD.
Faraday would like an explanation for this, Feysal_SK.*

*Preferably in a short post. He has not the patience to read long posts.

You have quite some experience with Plum modding. What do you think the odds of her using doubled up flavor?

She wouldn't unless:
1) Killflavor chooser (Read: Locke Lamora's WWF Mafia)
2) Bastardness
3) Generic/Identical characters (aka, two different orcs, twins, etc.)

He's got to? What if he misses and continues to shoot town? What if he's lying entirely?
I rather take my chances getting rid of the scum myself instead of relying on a claimed self-aligned player where we have no evidence whatsoever he's telling the truth about his win-con or his role. The Seraphs wanted a full claim, but never followed up on this at all.

Either way scum won't sit there and fake a SK claim. He most likely isn't lying and if he shoots town well we lynch him and that's that.
Evidence is flavor.
And Plum would stick to flavor. I don't see her giving mafia a SK fakeclaim with THAT MUCH detail. That'd be like me giving out a HADES fakeclaim.

It's not an SK per se. And that's what caught my eye immediately. He was shifty as hell before my absence and that didn't change. I said I need to reread to assess other things.

More like Contract Killer, but still a SK variant.

My message was simple. I posted the words given to me. It was indeed Minaday but the words were "seraphs" and that's what I used.

ALSO:
FARADAY SAYS ITS "FARAMINA" not "MINADAY". They're a princess irl and it sounds more princesslike.

[Andrius]

Claim's legit and all.
Kinda' awkward with Feysal in the room and all, but.

Unvote, Vote: Sun and Moon

<--- KILL WITH FIRE

Also very clearly this is why I wanted Feysal to die since I am very likely one of his targets. If I die via NK and he doesn't go with me please hang him the next day, regardless of what he says.

Righto, boss. (But yeah you're most likely one of his targets, so.)

Unfortunately this has to wait until Night for Feysal or tomorrow for obvious reasons.

Roger that.

Andrius – you can see when this happened in the QT when I posted “Whose turn is it?” to confirm timing.

I'll not question when and simply go off the timetable. I'll be keeping track of things for sure.

[Andrius]

It gives him leeway to kill you and then come in tomorrow "Well, guys, now it's only Glaurung left, so you can bet your asses I'ma help town from now on!"

Well duh.

There's a guilty on Empking? Who?

Seraph info.
That's all for now.

DO NOT QUICKHAMMER.
Faraday wants this timed JUST RIGHT for action coordination/seraph stuff.
They also have ADDITIONAL INFO but they're plotting now, so.

Let's fire up the wagon.
No one hammer.

[Andrius]

I don't know much about this Seraph thing, but wouldn't it be more beneficial to have the last action of the day rather than the first action? That way even if AGM gets to go first, Faramina has the chance to respond before the day ends?

@ANDY - Check to see what Faraday and Mina's current thoughts are on this please.

When we (Mina, Faraday and I) discussed it very early in the QT the consensus then was that it wasn't a very strong advantage. Things may have changed.

I'll ask their opinions.
Its only Faraday right now, and AGM hasn't shown his face for a loooong time.

[Andrius]

"a loooong time"" = 2 days BTW.

[Andrius]

Ninja'd by Mina.
Don't hammer w/o a claim from S&M. (Jailkeeper, anyone? )

She also wants to see what ooba says now.

[Andrius]

@Andy
It was obviously a different situation when Turin wasn't outed, wasn't it?

Well of course.
We're actually talking about the Magna/Feysal issue in-QT right now. :/

[Andrius]

Well of course.We're actually talking about the Magna/Feysal issue in-QT right now. :/

Yeah if @SSF*CE AGM hadn't de-Neighborized me this could have all been funneled via QT (or faked as such) to prevent giving Feysal inside information

Oh well. Sometimes it can't be helped.

[Andrius]

I feel so left out of the cool kids club, so I'll let you do the business with Hurin and Co. I'd like to know if the guilty on Empking is solid stuff or rather a "town is so pants on head, let us handle the scum hunting for them" statement by Minaday, but apparently that's undisclosed information right now.

Yeah, which is the downside of games like this. :/
Undisclosed for now.

I'll keep you posted.

[Andrius]

AGM said he'd prefer the last action of the day. :/

Negative.

Can we put WoW on the lynch list? WHAT IF WE HAVE A GOVERNOR MER MER MER IM BLACKBERRY MER MER MER GOVERNOR
Someone should interfere with feysal's shot and kill lurkers since its a given he'll shoot magna tonight.

[Andrius]

Andrius you know my god damn stance on Blackberry. I wouldn't act like him if I didn't have the damn interests of town in my god damn heart.

<3
(but seriously next you'll start talking that magna's claiming my actions or something lol)
if there's a governor there's a governor he's going to prevent a lynch SOMETIME and he can't be INFINITE /inb4AGMcacklingintheseraphQT so. :/ Besides, a governed lynch is almost as good as a dead and flipped dude- minus the guy being dead ofc.

[Andrius]

Faraday just confirmed there is no potential for a governor in the setup.

[Andrius]

Faraday just confirmed there is no potential for a governor in the setup.

Well, that's not quite true.
Mina just said that although Faraday was right in saying they can't GRANT a Governor power, it could exist in the form of a latent scum ability, or existed as a scum role from the beginning. :/

[Andrius]

This sets my danger sense running wild Spyrex … did you somehow know what I was about to do?

I meant more a VCA but if THIS is what happens when I say that well then remind me to every game.

Unvote, Vote: Sun and Moon

I think we know what has to happen aside from this so BLOOD AND THUNDER hoooo

If I did I don't feel bad about it.

BLOOD AND THUNDER

How's that post restriction coming?

[Andrius]

How's that not being dead like you should be coming?

You get a "role" yet?

By all means, feel free to fix that. The novelty wore off. Thank God I got a side job as Mouthpiece of the Seraphs.
BUT THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE

I already answered that.

I'm inclined to think you're scum, now that the "PR" is fake.
REFERENCES: HASFUCKINGCOW

[Andrius]

So now versus yeseterday?

Of course you better invent new reasons to say I'm scum since I'm pretty sure that's been your hardline stance since like post 2 soooo

I don't follow?

I'm waiting for you to daykill your scumbuddy.
I WILL HAVE MY GLORY.

Also, Faraday says your play in Outwitted was shameful.

[Andrius]

Also, Faraday tells you fucking clowns not to quicklynch until he gives the word.

(Not quoted, but tried to keep the language the same. )

[Andrius]

You dont remember how many times you've said I'm scum this game? NOICE.

MY BAD FARADAY FOR BELIEVING PEOPLE COULD READ.

How's about you hook me up with some of those holy machine guns so I can help do work down here.

You're scum for the PR. Like hascow.
I don't keep count for god's sake.
I just baked cookies.

Well YOU WERE THE ONE WHO SHEEPED FATE D1. THANKS FOR PLAYING SPY

Again, there are no holy machine guns. Magna asked, more like begged for bullets for those lurkers.
But holy bullets aren't on the menu.

Andrius has forgot that all along he's said I'm scum.

I never forget.
The PR NONSENSE finally made sense.
I have a chance
a chance to do what i should have done in SoS

[Andrius]

p.s. Mina thought you were scum too.

[Andrius]

*In outwitted

[Andrius]

No smiting? What the hell kind of lords on high are we runnin with around here.

Snap I know babies and all sheepin town my bad.

Guess what Andy once these scums are cleaned out via S&M and Empking I'll gladly go one for one with you.

Remember: Faramina is chained to a chair. No smiting to be had there.

SHEEPING TOWN TO THEIR DEATH
TO UNNECESSARY CLAIMING

I have no qualms locking swords with you, my friend.
Though hopefullt I'll have a role by then/be activated or whatnot/ be dead by then because if I have to go much longer playing YOU DONT KNOW WHO YOU ARE ALIGNED WITH then I will heshin a go no more.

"And my axe."

<333

[Andrius]

Wait.
So you just CC'd Magna on TWO levels.
We have TWO Turin claims.

[Andrius]

I believe Magna, for the record.
Waiting on Seraph response.

[Andrius]

QUOTH FARADAY:

Are you two alignment-confirmed?

Faraday does confirm that their nameclaim is true. (He said I could use that 'red text' deal but I'm so against that its not even funny.)

[Andrius]

Oh, and Faraday says thanks for your contributions, Amrun, if you are town.

[Andrius]

Faraday thanks you for

NOT CLAIMING MILLER

and thus outing the Cop unnecessarily.
THE SUICIDE COP

SUICIDE COP


S-U-I-C-I-D-E
C-O-P

[Andrius]

OH WE GONNA LURK LIKE FUCKING SPASTICS

NO CLAIMING MILLER

TROLOLOL WHO WOULD INVESTIGATE US?!?!

SO TOWNNNNNNNN

Faraday

wants

NEEDS to know if that was your thought process.

[Andrius]

[Andrius]

This game.

Why are the seraphs able to confirm S&M's name?

I didn't ask. Figured it was SUPER SECRET.
And AGM's in the QT, sooooo.

I'll ask.

[Andrius]

They can confirm their S&M's name because they can.

S&M is their son or something. A fucking useless son they turned out to be.

[Andrius]

Or, more specifically:

Its confirmed b/c Faraday says so.

[Andrius]

If they are indeed Hurin and can confirm S&M as Turin, they should be able to confirm MoI Turin as well.

Somehow, I think it was one of their actions.
And those are limited.
(I remember reading something like that, at least.)

Waiting for official stuff.

Might go back to AREA TAGS for Seraph stuff and non-area for me.

[Andrius]

I was told to ignore you, Dekes.

Why the fuck would there be 2 turins?

[Andrius]

Don't know what to tell you, Dekes.

[Andrius]

There's nothing new at the moment.

Just me throwing my two cents in- basically I said there's no real flavor reason for TWO, but bastard and all. Nothing from AGM/SECRETPERSON so....

[Andrius]

Spy did you overlook S&M's MASON claim?
1 guess as to their partner...

I mean its not expressly clear if its CONFIRMED TOWN MASON (and bastard game sooooo), but. :/

[Andrius]

Ultimately, Magna's my choice.
IM PRO-LIFE
PROLIFE FOR MAGNA

OR WE CAN BE PROCHOICE
MAGNA
WOULD YOU RATHER LIVE OR DIE?

[Andrius]

OOBA: DO YOU

KNOW

THAT S&M IS TOWN ALIGNED?
S&M: DO YOU

KNOW

THAT OOBA IS TOWN ALIGNED?
I DONT CARE THEY YOU KNOW THEY'RE YOUR SIBLING.

Seraphs would like to know, and apparently answering to Hero/Gut isn't good enough.

[Andrius]

SUN AND MOON: WHAT IS YOUR KILLFLAVOR?

Gotta start remembering to italics SeraphSpeak.

[Andrius]

OOBA: DO YOU

KNOW

THAT S&M IS TOWN ALIGNED?
S&M: DO YOU

KNOW

THAT OOBA IS TOWN ALIGNED?
I DONT CARE THEY YOU KNOW THEY'RE YOUR SIBLING.

Seraphs would like to know, and apparently answering to Hero/Gut isn't good enough.

Added italics to this too.

[Andrius]

I'm guessing it's slain cruelly since that's what Chronopie's is.... but I did NOT kill Wraith.

Maybe Feysal also targetted Chrono n1? I'd have to check back because I don't remember.

My role pm doesn't tell me my kill flavor.


Yes, we're MASONS. What do you think mason means?

Don't fucking

guess

. ASK THE MOD. If she says no then she says no.

Masons in a bastard game.
We're just checking.

[Andrius]

Well, I disagree. I did not claim miller when I was converted and I think it is the right choice.

HOWEVER, obviously, I have not been playing this game properly. :/ I already feel pretty bad about it. There's nothing I can say there.

1) Given that Magna, on order of the Seraphs, EXPLICITLY SAID TO CLAIM ANY NEGATIVE ROLE-RELATED AFFECTS YOU GAIN IN THREAD, this is a load of bull.

2) Faraday's response to the "I did not claim milller..." was "lol".
It was the WRONG MOVE. Accept that and learn

[Andrius]

Oh, one last bit of information for the Playerbase from Seraph1...

Don't claim Town positive boons or activated abilities as they happen. Keep the mystery going.

However if you receive a negative effect or have an activated ability suddenly disappear that was Town positive claim it IMMEDIATELY.

That is all .... MoI Out!

However if you receive a negative effect or have an activated ability suddenly disappear that was Town positive claim it IMMEDIATELY.

However if you receive a negative effect [...] claim it IMMEDIATELY.

I think I've made our stance quite clear.
Again, if ANYONE picks up a negative status affect...



...

claim it.

[Andrius]

Faraday says the timing of the miller thing makes no sense to him.

[Andrius]

Magna was dropped from the Seraph QT. AGM had the last action, so he presumably dropped Magna.

Strange question, but when did this happen? And what were the results - can Magna still read it, but not post in it?
Also, you say that there are suppposedly two other people whose identities haven't been revealed who are allowed in the Seraph QT? Who told you this? I think at least one other QT member player should claim, to confirm your accounts.

Sometime between AGM's last action and the end of N2. Fairly early in N2 we were given a new QT- and Magna was not present. So most likely AGM dropped him.
Which means it was a NEW QT, so Magna can neither read or post in it.
Yes. There was MYSTERY PERSON who I think was just a hoax, and someone else added by Faramina towards the end of D2.
I think there's only ONE other member in the QT, for the record.
And if I'm right they're the ONLY member left there besides me.
You have no reason to think I'd lie with my accounts now.
And given the high probability of ONE other member we don't need him to claim right now.

[Andrius]

Empking:

Why didn't you react to the cop guilty on you? People are saying the Seraphs have a confirmed guilty on you yet you have not reacted whatsoever. What info do you think they have on you?

Feysal:

Your summary is a very apt summary of the game.

[Andrius]

Well.
We know Feysal won't shoot Empking.

The winds are largely silent, as the wrath has been averted before I could channel it.

Plum declines to answer my inquiry about kill flavor, and did not comment on my question about mason; perhaps that means the explanations offered in thread are simply correct.

So naive to think that MASON means town in a bastard game.
Waiting for Faraday' response, since he was waiting on this.

[Andrius]

p.s. Thor actually POSTED.

[Andrius]

Ok ok we need to sort some crap out.
Faramina confirms that Magister-ooba is indeed Nienor.

We don't have a guilty on Empkarp. Faraday was being rhetorical and pulling a "SERAPHS SAY LYNCH". Mainly to see how Empkarp would react to the guilty on him and people wagoning him up. Mina says she wanted S&M lynched early on. She also feels that MoI is deliberately twisting the facts overblowing his rhetoric like calling anyone who defends S&M scum in order to push the lynch. Though of course he could still be town desperate to survive.

tl;dr: No Seraph Guilties on Empking.

[Andrius]

Because they thought he was town [?]

I'm going to write my essay now. Be back later.
Its been really dead in the Seraph QT. I think both sides are too busy doing actions to talk to me.
And that makes me sad.

[Andrius]

Because they thought he was town [?]

OR OR OR

OR I AM NOT A NAMECOP

Also:

do you think if i could have found out magna's name i would have fucking done it by now? christ jesus.

[Andrius]

What Andrius is saying sounds like we can't expect further help regarding MoI's identity.

This.

(Mina):

1) I forgot that I changed my mind on Amrun_death. I don't want her dead now. I think Amrun is town but not confirmed town. I would like to know if Ludi noticed Amrun shying away from killing certain people in their mason qt.

2) We're not namecops. Our PM confirmed that S&M is Turin and Ludi is Nienor. There was no alignment-confirmation, though it is a guarantee that they are NOT fakeclaims.

3) The Empking deal was not intended to be a gambit, but when people took Faraday's dealio as srs bsns he wanted to run with it.

[/i]
*Again, please note this must all be paraphrased/re-scripted to avoid copy-paste.

[Andrius]

deactivate my latent Power

Here's an idea.

[Andrius]

deactivate my latent Power

Here's an idea.

Magna should ask the mod whether that would prevent his death though, otherwise it's a waste of a good-seraph action.

This. Faraday also supports this action- whether stripping him of his powers would save his life or not.

[Andrius]

I think Magna's town.
Mason claims in a bastard large.... ehhhh
Names confirmed is fine. I see no universe where Nienor is scum, but Turin... well maybe not MAFIA but bastard again sooo. :/

If we're going to shoot in that group I'd rather lynch S&M than Magna.
Also, somehow I think S&M will shoot Magna tonight.

Hrm.
See, the whole deal is Magna dying.
I think we should just not lynch Magna OR S&M, thereby letting Magna die tonight (sadly), which saves a lynch the one way. If he flips Town_Turin then SHENANIGANS and we reexamine S&M.

[Andrius]

NOOOOO LOST MY PARAGRAPH.
Anywho

This, Ludi: Dekes + Herod + Kanye + Empking?

You're asking ME how I feel about lynching myself? Man I JUST got a part-time job as a messenger for the seraphs (in this horrid economy) and although not having FULLTIME JOB is a bummer I have HOPE that ALL WILL BE WELL.
So no I'm not really down to lynch myself, Ludi.

[Andrius]

I've given you a few names of people that should be lynched.

What about yourself?

Mut have took that the wrong way.

[Andrius]

Speaking of Seraph input...

We have one move left today. NO ONE is to lynch before The Baker gives the a-ok. It is not our turn (our last move being made 10/26th at 3:13am and processed circa 10h later). When it is, we will deactivate Magna's power. ANYONE WHO HAMMERS BEFORE THEN IS CONFIRMED SCUM.

Issues:
1) Would Magna rather die so that if he flips Town_Turin S&M will look scummy as hell.

2) Who he believes is scum a) if S&M is scum and b) if S&M is town.

3) Whether he wants S&M lynched today if the suicide is prevented.

FINALLY:

Feysal: If you kill either of the Turins tonight you will be auto-lynched tomorrow.

-Mina

[Andrius]

MAGNA.
IF YOU ARE DE-POWERED WILL YOU STILL DIE?

Its Faramina's turn and they want to know before they act.

[Andrius]

Holy cow Andrius I checked your wiki and you were a miller vigilante in Saint Kerrigans game. How come you didn't believe that here?

They're also a Mason.
And I claimed Miller D1.
They became a Miller later on (don't remember when).
Also, bastard game.

[Andrius]

I JUST said they weren't a miller --;

predit: Wait what?

[Andrius]

*weren't a miller D1 --;

[Andrius]

Andy here. I've got alot of catchup to do thanks to being sick all weekend (thank you Panda).

<3,

-A

[Andrius]

S&M: When people asked if oyu and ooba were confirmed to each other, you unhelpfully answered "what else does mason mean? and why should i even bother checking?" But now Ludi says "reasonably sure" and you've corroborated this. Why didn't you say IN THE FIRST PLACE that your PM explicitly said he wasn't confirmed from the beginning, RATHER that you MUST BE because you're MASONS?

Ludi: Did either of you or ooba reveal in the QT what your PM said about Amrun being reasonably likely town?

MAGNA: You were the one saying not to reveal positive boons

(good word choce Mina)

but to reveal the timing of negative ones. THEN WHY did you reveal the EXACT TIME AND ROUND when you got your abilities?
The information only helps AGM.

[Andrius]

Ok well the Seraphs are quiet.
For the most part.
Nothing from AGM for a long time.

IF ANYONE SHOOTS MJAYE I WILL BE SRS DISAPPOINT

[Andrius]

Honestly I expected Feysal to shoot S&M, as that would have won him a win [?] since S&M's nameconfirmed Turin and he needs Turin dead to win.
This of course I assumed fell under the "kill your targets and leave the game" deal which may or may not be true.

Seraphs have been silent all night phase.

On the 2nd AGM and Faraday bickered over which team had the worse player, Espeonage or Chrono. Mina cried over "Modified Cult Recruiter". Faraday made fun of me and I tried to bring it all together andf sing KUMBAYA. But its just been me since the second and rustling leaves.

FEYSAL: WHO YOU SHOOT BRO?

S&M: WHO YOU SHOOT?

Glad to see Magna still with us.

[Andrius]

Feysal has absolutely NO reason to kill someone other than the person who gives him a win and removes him from the game.

Funny, we're contemplating lynching him now. This has already been brought up upstairs.

Vote: Feysal

Going off my own will and volition, this seems to be the best choice. Why would he NOT kill the man he needs to kill to win the game? Something isn't right in the state of Denmark.

I've had a role for sometime. I've had U.N.OWN. from the beginning. I've always had a role.
Empking, don't target me again.

/subtle

predit: ohai Ludi.
mjaye was an early townread of mine. I held constant, though her lack of activity when she's clearly posting elsewhere rubs me the wrong way. Though perhaps its something else entirely. I understand the need to lie low sometimes but this is getting ridiculous. Still, Feysal's inconsistencies are more obvscum than her.

mjaye: Be a dear and catchup, love.

[Andrius]

Andrius: You were fakeclaiming at the beginning?

No. I indeed started the game as UNKNOWN.
I'm being subtle.
Its not quite the same as Court, where it was just me and my town goddess.
I've got Morgoth at my table and there's only so much to be said without fear of saying too much.

Those that claim to oppose the enemy would do well not to hinder us.

[Andrius]

EBWOP: Missing quote marks. From LOTR TTT, obv.

[Andrius]

Mina thinks WoW saved S&M from Feysal last night.

[Andrius]

Regfan I'll keep this short and sweet.
S&M is the last person Feysal_SK needs to kill in order to win.
So, Mina postulated that WoW (Bodyguard) died protecting S&M from Feysal's kill.

[Andrius]

I'VE BEEN DRINKING SO THIS WILL BE SHORT AND SWEET BUT NACHO I LVOE YOU MAN AND AM LIKE <333333 THAT YOU'RE HERE
GAME IS NOW A HUNDRED TIMES BETTER
ALL WE NEED IS VAS TO COME BACK
YESSSSSSS
NACHO IS HERE
ALL WE DO IS WIN WIN WIN NO MATTER WHAT

[Andrius]

i'd make excuses as to why i wasnt posting ANYWHERE onsite for a few days now but the cleanandsimple is that im losing interest in mafia so i might hiatus after SJC and ongoing games are over

anywho thats not omportant here

Faraday called Amrun's "another looksee at my role pm" incompetence on a level of kondi.

Faramina are calling me scum (lol) for refusing to claim my role. (Hint: I did a loooooong time ago D1. ) And I maintain what I'm doing motivated on what im doing.
And apparently not doing so immediately makes me scum.
anywho


faraday says there wouldnt be 6 groupscum if theres a recruiter
thats retarted.


regfan will be given a full list of reads in a few days

faraday asks mina if amrun is more incompetent than me being scummy

he also wonders why "kyb" isn't dead yet
though who kyb is is beyond me

faraday complaining that i drunkposted inthread and not here.
and that's a scumtell
when really you can blame my cookies
because i have to have QT open in another browser altogether because cookies hate QT
so i have to have two internets running with mafia et.al. and one for QT
and its a pain so obv mafia's more important
and nacho is more of a bro than you'll ever be


following messages:
-i haven't claimed my character name/wincon in the QT. they asked me a couple times
I counter with i did claim everything i knew d1 multiple times when anyone asked me. i have mah reasons.
-Magna was refering to Gut who was kicked out of the QT after magna
- nacho's entry to the game was horribad (<3)
- faramina think i'd be a good lynch/kill
I don't think so.

anywho to wings my brothers
keep up with me if you can

faraday thinks drunkpsoting inthread and not in-QT is scummy
1) was not a drunkpost
2) explained above
3) why the hell would i want to talk to faramina/agm when drunk? NACHO LOVES ME AND THTS MORE THAN THEYLL EVER DO



QT IV is now locked and i dont think im in it so yesss no more voice.
just being awesome as per usual

No, this crap ends.

When was your role actived or did you actually have a role from the beginning? Direct answer with none of this flourid crap ASAP. Hanging out with the Seraphs doesn't exempt you from providing usable content.

If I was to stand for something, what good would it do to bend over backwards?
I committed to the play and I will run it 'til its run its course.

I did have a role from the beginning.
Unknown.
It'd be impossible to know everything I did which gandalf confirmed if i was bullshitting yesss.

I'm a survivor
I'm not going to piss them off

I thought he was a lover with feysal. >_________>

Ok, so we definitely need to have you shot at Night or lynched soon since you are taking a clearly Pro-Scum stance. Noted.

*nods*

The more I am analyzing it, the more I feel 3rd party like Feysal and I need to help scumhunt with the town

Ok well glad to know.
I'd rather not say.
Some things work best from the shadows.
And while I don't run around killing shit or being all cop-like....

I’ve lost any faith in Andy at this stage.

Well I have faith in you.
I'll be your Blue Lantern.

We didn't last much longer than you did, MoI.

I can confirm this.

I’m mulling over a theory on Gandalf / Andrius.

Well we're not Nienor/Niniel.
That would have been cool. Instead he runs off with a lighter leaving me here.

also a general warning that im going to be busy for the next few days but ill play catchupkeepup along the way so i will be following along.



1. Andrius <--- U. N. OWEN.
2. ooba <--- Town Mason [?] bastard so eeehhhh but i liked ooba's play and ludi. if one is scum its amrun but masons so prob. both town i guess
3. Sun and Moon <--- more likely scum mason than magisterooba.
6. Ellibereth <--- elli_scum. sorry nachobaby.
7. Mastermind of Sin <--- metascum
8. Dekes <--- is this regfan? dekes was also lurkylurkscum
10. mockingjaye <--- reallybusytown
11. Furcolow <--- survivor (lol)
12. Gut <--- town via seraph
15. Feysal <--- SK
16. kanyeknowsbest <--- will have to reread
18. Empking <--- prob.town lets be honest here role confirmation. unless he's scum with me or gandalf but gandalf is deadtown and me well being unknown so
20. MagnaofIllusion <--- obvtown. long live magna
22. Herodotus <--- will have to reread

[Andrius]

There is literally zero motive for Andrius to play the game

YOU SHOULD KNOW THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE

I've been busy this week. Reading and crap tomorrow I'm going to bed now.