NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

[theamatuer]

For 1

randomFOS: iamusername

I am officially randomer than the rest of u.

[theamatuer]

I agree with beck

vote: Pine

[theamatuer]

Actually Pine was talking about PLing Beck, so I voted him instead.
No one PLs Beck.

[theamatuer]

Well okay then

unvote
vote: zdenek

[theamatuer]

I'm not going to get into a list argument with you, but let's just say I tend to respect opinions of players who are on a similair wavelength as mine when I'm scumhunting, and if they provide good scumlists then I tend to consider those opinions more heavily; playing as town is a team game. If you want to be the town superstar who doesn't need anyone elses input, then go ahead.

And if it seems like I'm excusing theam's play; I'm not. It was bad last game. it derailed day one because it was just so easy for everyone to attack him, and it allowed scum to fit right in without having to contribute.

Well yes. That's why I plan on playing normally this game.
If anyone wants to do an meta-read, newbie 1136 is the only one thats over.

[theamatuer]

Ama changed his vote basically because I told him to ie he flaked under very small pressure...

also I am tired, those last 2 posts were basically me thinking Z = target of policy lynch so ignoring them would be advised if you are town...

anyways Z MUST know he will get tons of heat for his last post, I do not think its a good vote

Well the reasoning was perfect, and I had no reason not to do so, so I listened.
It was RVS stage anyways, and now I feel that he deserves my vote more than anyone.

[theamatuer]

So how is this a good player list again.

[theamatuer]

Llamarble, summing up my playstyle: "I'm obnoxious wheeee!"

Yeah I see it.

[theamatuer]

One of beck/pine is probably scum. Of course, considering Beck's record, he's probably caught another townie again >.>
Also David? You'd probably find a lot of similarities with rev.

[theamatuer]

Basically, both people used rather weak reasons to attack the other, which is kinda acceptable considering theres only 7 pages, but the fact that this happens at 7 pages is kinda suspicious.
A possibility is that beck attacked Pine, who is scum, for weak reasoning, and that Pine reacted and starting attacking Beck in retaliation.
Of course, there really isn't anything I can see that currently puts one on top of the other in terms of scumminess, so I'll just

fos: beck and Pine

I'll probably change one to a vote when a majority appears on one or if one turns scummier than the other.
pedit: just saying, but considering curfews, I wont be active at all on weekdays. I could probably crank out a few posts, but It'll have to take the weekends to start posting as much as i want to.
ppedit: wth. invalid form

[theamatuer]

Almost all of Slandaar's scumhunting consists of questions.
It may not be much, but questions usually require someone to answer them in order to be counted.
So questions themselves themselves can subconciously lead people to a direction he wants, and they would assume that they thought of it themselves.
In other words, Im thinking that Slandaar is trying to lead us without people actually realizing it.
I can't tell what motive there is though.
pedit: well yeah.
Beck is that kind of person, but then his target, instead of trying to defend himself, primarily counterattacks Beck.
And apparently its Pine who attacked Beck first for his vote on zdenek for a reason unrelated to the game.
ppedit: yeah thats what I meant.
and I agree with Rev. Flakers are really annoying, but I'd give them till the Pm-prod till I start pointing them out.

[theamatuer]

So funnybike iso:
1. RVS
2. unvote zdenek
3. Bandwagon vote


yeah pretty much

unvote
vote: funky

better than zdenek at the very least.

[theamatuer]

And iam, coming in and going "well I haven't posted anything but here is a post that I think you have fluffed" isn't really doing anything and you should be posting actual game content.

I'm not saying that post is fluff. I'm saying you seem to think it's fluff, and therefore I'm wondering why you posted it.

I don't mind votes on theam because theys how that people find him scummy, but last game he was very scummy and stupid and turned out to be town so he's one of those players where even if he is scum at the end, it'l be easy for town to tell if he is. There are other options IMO.

What kinds of "scummy" things did he do in the game you're talking about? Did he, for instance, set up a totally unjustified "one of these two is scum" dichotomy, and then freely admit that he would be making no effort whatsoever to figure out which of the two it was, and would instead vote for whichever one proved to be more popular?

I am fully aware that he is the kind of player that frequently gets lynched early on regardless of his alignment. That doesn't mean he can't be scum here. I've seen his town play before, and I've wrongly suspected him before, but nonetheless, I still don't think this is his town play.

What other options do you think I should be following?

No what I said was that they were equal in scumminess and that I needed more posts to figure out who is scummier.
I said that I would vote if there was a majority, but only if I can't find that the other is any scummier.

[theamatuer]

Basically, username.
Going to read the 2 or so pages that happened when I was at school.

[theamatuer]

Nope.
And pine hasn't posted after my previous outlook on the two, but Im willing to put it on time zone differences.
AKA funky first.

[theamatuer]

Slandaar: posted 3 times: 2 bandwagon posts and 1 asking to remove a zdenek vote.
Beck: I'm finding funky scummier than you two, and I'm waiting for pine before decided to move one of you to myt no.2 spot
Pine: Beck is vig bait ehhh? Sounds like you already know he is town.
Yeah pine is no.2. Funky should post or die.

[theamatuer]

Bvoight, this shows scum intent.

"I'll probably change one to a vote when a majority appears on one or if one turns scummier than the other."

Ive already chosen a stance and it happens not to be the majority now, and Im not voting Pine since Funky is scummier and need to post asap

[theamatuer]

I agree with Pine's reads more or less, except that Pine is in the null-scum category and Beck is in the null-town.
And funky hasn't managed to convince me that he's not a good lynch yet,

[theamatuer]

VOTE: Zel1nk. In no way are you obvtown, yet you keep insisting you are. Unless you can provide a very good reason, you WILL be lynched for it.

And hello to you.
Care to actually post reads or would you like to get lynched?

[theamatuer]

Spoiler: rev's Scumhunting examples

amatuer, if you'll notice, Pine wasn't really attacking Beck for any reason except out of personal dislike, and it appears that Beck is an ultra aggresive player who will read into any sort of situation as potentially scummy, so there you have it.

He's had thoughts that are very similair to mine that I haven't bothered posting because he posted them first. Because of that, I think he's town as well. It's at least good enough for me that I don't want him lynched d1.

And iam, coming in and going "well I haven't posted anything but here is a post that I think you have fluffed" isn't really doing anything and you should be posting actual game content. I don't mind votes on theam because theys how that people find him scummy, but last game he was very scummy and stupid and turned out to be town so he's one of those players where even if he is scum at the end, it'l be easy for town to tell if he is. There are other options IMO.

And DavidParker, your whole reasoning for voting me was being "noncommittal" yet I voted zel right after making that post; how is that not commital? Don't be stupid.

Someone like screaming hawk who hasn't done anything needs pressure

I've changed my mind on Beck again. Even though he's an anti-town scrub who can't do anything except react and base his "scumhunting" on that (if you can even call that scumhunting), no good will come of his lynch.

UNVOTE:

However, we have people who have posted all of 4 times, and if say...these 4 posts were in any way insightful or contributing to the game at all, I'd be fine with that. However, we have people like Screaminghawk, who have 2 posts explaining why they need to vote davidparker, followed by a post that explains that Beck is pissing them off, followed by a stupid question that has nothing to do with anything. Seriously, if you're going to ask why Sky needs votes, then you need to follow that up with something

VOTE: Screaminghawk

Asking questions and clarifying how you feel on a player without explaining your thoughts on anything just makes you look like you're contributing, but you haven't.

I literally facepalmed when I saw Shatteredhawk's response.

Then I saw Beck's response.

In no way did you substiantiate anything you claimed. You say my iso is useless? Wow. Then you go onto accuse Pine of being scum SIMPLY because he is fed up with your bullshit. You must be the worst player I've ever played with, and that's saying something.

And theam, taking someone's list and agreeing with it but putting the list creator as "null-scum" is odd.

And zelink, if all you're going to do is say you're obvtown the whole game, I'm going to start ignoring your content like I do Beck's.


Anyways, I'm fine with a vote on Screaminghawk at this point, but also, I'd actually be ok with pretty much anyone's lynch beyond the 3 I named as town earlier.

These are examples of Rev scumhunting, he just mixes them in with his routine insults.
Also for 364, I said I agree with

Most

of his list. Just because I think his list is good doesn't mean the maker is town.
pedit: hikari, he thinks Rev and Pine is scum for acting like they're scumhunting but they are in fact not at all.

[theamatuer]

Amateur is keeping pretty quiet re his thoughts. Would like to here more.
Why still holding the vote on Zde?

I don't like posting cases till there's sufficient evidence since it just confuses town.
Also, I'm voting funky, not zde.

[theamatuer]

Funkybike: bandwagoning for no reason at all, active lurking, protects a bandwagon for no reason at all.
Pine: one of beck/Pine is scum, and Pine seems the better canidate of the two
zdenek: trying to invoke a PL, and once it failed, claimed it was a joke.

[theamatuer]

Theam, why is your play much calmer this game?

Also, do you have a completed scum game on site?

If yes, link please.

Well there hasnt been anyone screaming "OMG I AM SO TOTALLY SCUM" and there hasn't been anybody defending said person, so yeah.
And I have never had a scum role.

[theamatuer]

Pine: one of beck/Pine is scum, and Pine seems the better canidate of the two

Why?

why does one have to be scum?

why cant they both be town?

what has alerted you to the fact one of them HAS to be scum?

I feel that one of them should be scum based on the interaction between Beck and Pine
That possibility could happen, but one of them being scum is way more possible.
And they dont HAVE to be scum, its they SHOULD be scum due to their constant attacking of each other.

[theamatuer]

Pine: one of beck/Pine is scum, and Pine seems the better canidate of the two

Why?

why does one have to be scum?

why cant they both be town?

what has alerted you to the fact one of them HAS to be scum?

I feel that one of them should be scum based on the interaction between Beck and Pine
That possibility could happen, but one of them being scum is way more possible.

And they dont HAVE to be scum, its they SHOULD be scum due to their constant attacking of each other.

The bolded is a

stunning

logical fallacy. Shit, I don't even know whether that makes him more or less scummy at this point. If I thought he were feigning that kind of illogic, or trying to manipulate others into believing it, then yeah. But if he actually believes that makes sense, that throws a lot of my read off. It's like fencing with an 8-year-old (nerd alert). When fencing a novice adult, an experienced fencer can beat them easily, because adults (or at least those prone to taking up fencing) have been inundated their whole lives with poor examples of the skill. They're predictable and it's easy to get in their head. But children are sometimes the most frustrating opponents, because you don't know

what

the fuck they're going to do. Or why. Total wild cards, even if their attacks don't make an ounce of sense, they can catch you off-guard by how ridiculous they are.

Oh, did I catch you off guard?
But why do you need to be on guard in the first place?
To defend an argument? But why if you claim that I'm an idiot and my cases are stupid?
Or is it because you're afraid a supposedly better player comes and attacks you?
But why are you afraid of that if you're town?

Unless You're not.

Fencing's gay.

Seriously though, get an avatar. It makes it a lot easier to pick out your posts when skimming through to find quotes and points you've made, and there's a significant subconscious benefit to having an image to immediately associate with a name.

And Pops, you just can't resist the opportunity to provide a bunch of off-topic content when the chance presents itself, can you? Apply that level of commitment to the actual game, and I wouldn't be as suspicious of you.

Claiming or softclaiming PRs of any kind on D1 (not counting L-1 "claim or die" moments) is a bad idea in most cases, as it unnecessarily gives scum information and insight into your thought processes. A Townie fakeclaiming and even fakesoftclaiming can force a real PR into counterclaiming for a supposed scum kill, resulting in an otherwise innocent Townie being mislynched. Fakeclaiming vig is especially stupid, as it will very often lead to the REAL vig saying "Aha! That's either scum or the SK setting up a vig fakeclaim. I'll shoot him to find out." And we again have a dead fakeclaimer, with the added benefit of a wasted friendly fire shot.

^See? That's all that needed to be said. It isn't a discussion that will eat up half a day and a dozen posts, it's an experienced player taking

part

of a

single

post to completely defeat the incorrect idea, explain why, and re-educate. I'm moving on from this off-topic conversation and so should everyone else.

PE: Four more fucking fluff posts about this since I started typing? Shut the fuck up about it, people.

No. I know several players that softclaim PR as an VT to pull off scumkills. Softclaims should NEVER be cc'd by the real PR, only HARDCLAIMS.

Fencing's gay.

Seriously though, get an avatar. It makes it a lot easier to pick out your posts when skimming through to find quotes and points you've made, and there's a significant subconscious benefit to having an image to immediately associate with a name.

And Pops, you just can't resist the opportunity to provide a bunch of off-topic content when the chance presents itself, can you? Apply that level of commitment to the actual game, and I wouldn't be as suspicious of you.

Claiming or softclaiming PRs of any kind on D1 (not counting L-1 "claim or die" moments) is a bad idea in most cases, as it unnecessarily gives scum information and insight into your thought processes. A Townie fakeclaiming and even fakesoftclaiming can force a real PR into counterclaiming for a supposed scum kill, resulting in an otherwise innocent Townie being mislynched. Fakeclaiming vig is especially stupid, as it will very often lead to the REAL vig saying "Aha! That's either scum or the SK setting up a vig fakeclaim. I'll shoot him to find out." And we again have a dead fakeclaimer, with the added benefit of a wasted friendly fire shot.

^See? That's all that needed to be said. It isn't a discussion that will eat up half a day and a dozen posts, it's an experienced player taking

part

of a

single

post to completely defeat the incorrect idea, explain why, and re-educate. I'm moving on from this off-topic conversation and so should everyone else.

PE: Four more fucking fluff posts about this since I started typing? Shut the fuck up about it, people.

Keep this post right here in mind.

I lol'd. You can be Town...for now.

I think your wit is lost on at least 75% of the thread, though.

A sharp wit does not a townie make.

[theamatuer]

Why?
So you scum can pick off the PR's easier?

FOS: pops

[theamatuer]

scum can't lurk? ok.


In a game of 22 players, i'd expect around 7 scum.


You really think no scum are lurking? We have like 10 players who have under 5 posts. I'd like to see them post more. It's early in the day.

Doesn't matter though as your reasons for voting and unvoting me in the past were mind bogglingly idiotic and with your vote being cast around like its worthless, I really don't care that you're joining my wagon, which BTW is populated by 2 people who haven't been on in over 2 days.

tbh, I'd say 4-5, plus a vig/SK. 7 is a little too much.
But yeah. One of the lurkers is probably scum. Im saying Funky.

[theamatuer]

START POSTING THEN

[theamatuer]

Llamarble, summing up my playstyle: "I'm obnoxious wheeee!"

I think his sig tells us everything we need to know bout him

[theamatuer]

Nothing funky has posted has convinced me that he's not scum.
And Beck, to me, is town. Rev too, although his playstyle does make people consider.

[theamatuer]

Well he's only putting attention to himself and not responding to said pressure.
And personally, it feels like scum using the "too scummy to be scum" falllacy

[theamatuer]

Rev, Beck. Stop attacking each other.
You're both town, and a cross between the both of you would probably be the worst cross in MS history.

[theamatuer]

Statements like "youre both town" scream: "I know you're both town because I know who everone in town is and it suits my purpose to tell you who is town because guess what? I'm scum"

In other words: "I can tell you who is town and whos not since it would totally not make people suspicious of me and totally help me win"
And I did read both of you as town regardless of what the other says. A town on a town causes nothing but endless headache and a chance for scum to latch on and push one's lynch easily , then push for the other if he's able enough.
pedit- Rev is town since his play matches what I know of him-Offensive and offensive, rapid-fire, and attacking whoever says contrary to him. He does make excellent points if you ISO him and read through the lines.

[theamatuer]

Actually, theam has been looking better of late. You, on the other hand, are firmly off of my Town list and sinking through the neutral categories. Less for the mediocre reasons others have posted about you, and more due to your unflagging willingness to pursue any avenue of discussion ad infinitum, no matter how useless or distracting to the game.

I don't want to misinterpret what you're saying, so I'd like you to explain what kind of discussion you want from me.

And, theam looks better simply because I don't trust his reads and him appearing to have decent reads makes me wary of him. There's such a thing as having too good a game, but like I said, theam's looking bad to me today isn't something I want to go over on d1 when it could just be new found clarity

I thought I told you that my play in 1156 was shit and I'd plan on playing normally in this game.
And sv. I expect you tomorrow.

[theamatuer]

On the other hand, I don't like Slandaar's play for some reason, and I especially dont like how Username refuses to give a reason on why he says slaandar is town.
I'd like anybody who thinks Slandaar is town to please post their reasoning.

[theamatuer]

@slandaar: its not that I think you're scum right now, its that you're a null for me, and that your scumhunting consists of too many questions and not enough statements.
Most people that say you're town do not give a case, esp username. So yeah/
And funky should post info.

[theamatuer]

SUP.
Act town now and tell us your reads or something.

[theamatuer]

Apparently I never did this:

UNVOTE: funkybike
VOTE: popsofctown

@slandaar: its not that I think you're scum right now, its that you're a null for me, and that your scumhunting consists of too many questions and not enough statements.
Most people that say you're town do not give a case, esp username. So yeah/
And funky should post info.

What is wrong with asking questions instead of stating things? Do you think it's scummy?

Revenus: Can you answer my questions? They may not seem like much, but I do think they'll help me get a read on you.

Rev, I need to know how much experience do you have playing mafia?

Revenus is at Glorklike levels and is (rather evidently) a grandmaster of the game of mafia. We are blessed that he has graced us with his participation in this game. His mastery of every nuance of the game lets him tap into scumtells everyone else misses

I thought that was Shattered Viewpoint!

Well its more or less a psychological issue, but issuing your thoughts through questions instead of statements makes people subconsiously agree with you more often.

Unvote
Vote: ZeL1nK

The lady doth protest too much.

Explain this Pine, I expect better from you. (Zelink IS and WAS obvtown,) I don't buy for a second you believe that calling onself town is a scumtell so what gives?

Keep reading. It was a sarcastic/frustration-driven vote that didn't have my weight behind it.

By the way, folks, I'd like to caution you to take Faraday's posts with a few grains of salt. I've heard him boast about having never been lynched as scum, which is quite an exceptional achievement. I was leaning towards Town on IAAUN, but there wasn't much to work with. Just be careful, Faraday is outstanding as Town but truly masterful as scum.

Well assuming he got a best town act scummy, I'd hope so.

[theamatuer]

Im willing to lynch my scum reads or a null read that two or more of my town reads agree on.
For now, its beck, rev, and faraday.
pedit: nope. Im willing to argue schematics with you if you want.

[theamatuer]

No, I meant town reads.

[theamatuer]

No, I meant town reads.

k, you can still explain them though ?

Well I've thought rev and beck were town for a very long time.
Faraday feels town from his reads and posts, plus he's a rather experienced player.

[theamatuer]

Day One, Vote Count the Baker's Dozen:

Shattered Viewpoint (4): sorgster, vijay2vasandani, Pine, Beck
Revenus (3): DavidParker, Shattered Viewpoint, funkybike1
Popsofctown (3): ZeL1Nk, bvoigt, Zdenek
vijay2vasandani (2): IAAUN/Faraday, popsofctown
funkybike1 (2): theamatuer, SodaSpirit17
Slandaar (1): ThAdmiral
Zdenek (1): Hiraki
Beck (1): Revenus
ThAdmiral (1): Slandaar
Not Voting (3): Primate, sword_of_omens, ScreamingHawk

WITH TWENTY-TWO ALIVE, IT'S TWELVE TO LYNCH.
DEADLINE: NOVEMBER 2ND @ 10PM PACIFIC STANDARD TIME.

[|quote]

that fail copypaste.
alsoUNVOTE: funky
VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint

[theamatuer]

well I feel that he's about equal scumminess with pops, so I just chose the wagon with the most support.
Plus Beck was on the wagon.

[theamatuer]

well I feel that he's about equal scumminess with pops

Why?

Pops tries to stifle down softclaiming altogether along with hypocrisy.
SV is obnoxious, and claims to have found all the scum at d1. He also claims a person is scummy while refusing to tell us the reason.
So yeah

[theamatuer]

Rev is my top suspect, nobody will lynch him even if I've guranteed he is scum and offered myself up for tomorrow.

SV is probably scum too, I have a strong gut read on you, but haven't comb'd through your iso yet to make a case.

Because if we do follow through your plan, all that will happen are 2 mislynches.

[theamatuer]

Emptyquoting=bad
But yeah, don’t get yourself modkilled as it’ll force end the day and that we don’t want.

[theamatuer]

and shut up rev,

[theamatuer]

I fuckng swear if we take every player in this game whose alias begins with "S" and lynch them, we'll nail most of the scum team.

unvote

VOTE: SodaSpirit

So anyway, vijay's giant wall and recent posts actually make me think he's town.

Getting a little tired of slandaar v thad and I'm probably going to skim or completely skip their posts until I think I want to lynch one of them.

I also think NS reads are good... In that, if you take his reads and go in the complete opposite direction, you're very likely to find scum. That said, NS, give me your 3 top town reads. I want them lynched D1/D2/D3.

I'd mention Beck but he's an attention whore and ignoring him for the rest of the game seems like a good option.

Does anyone think sodaspirit is anything other than scum? Tell me now so I can line up lynches.

Ares.
I just so happened to watch that episode.

[theamatuer]

I fuckng swear if we take every player in this game whose alias begins with "S" and lynch them, we'll nail most of the scum team.

unvote

VOTE: SodaSpirit

So anyway, vijay's giant wall and recent posts actually make me think he's town.

Getting a little tired of slandaar v thad and I'm probably going to skim or completely skip their posts until I think I want to lynch one of them.

I also think NS reads are good... In that, if you take his reads and go in the complete opposite direction, you're very likely to find scum. That said, NS, give me your 3 top town reads. I want them lynched D1/D2/D3.

I'd mention Beck but he's an attention whore and ignoring him for the rest of the game seems like a good option.

Does anyone think sodaspirit is anything other than scum? Tell me now so I can line up lynches.

Ares.
I just so happened to watch that episode.

This was not suppsed to happen.
But since Im posting, I'll say that SV is still the lynch I think is the best for today.

[theamatuer]

Wow. I completely forgot Soda was in this game.
I think I like the SV wagon more though.

[theamatuer]

Speaking of useless, this post.

Exactly.
Now is your claim at L-7/8 real or not?

[theamatuer]

By the fact he changed his vote to soda, I think he meant what he said.

[theamatuer]

Mastin?

[theamatuer]

So what's mastin's play like?

[theamatuer]

Rev is my top suspect, nobody will lynch him even if I've guranteed he is scum and offered myself up for tomorrow.

SV is probably scum too, I have a strong gut read on you, but haven't comb'd through your iso yet to make a case.

Because if we do follow through your plan, all that will happen are 2 mislynches.

Lynching rev then himself if Rev flips town

[theamatuer]

Is posting without the mod officially claiming the replacement first a fad or something?

[theamatuer]

The problem is I dont think he did.

[theamatuer]

This is stupid.
We've actually been gettng on a real lynch and now we're back to the Rev vs Beck situation again.
Just great.

[theamatuer]

OK. 3 things.
1. Beck, cool off for 1 hour or so. Play something else like Team Fortresss for a while.
2. Rev, try making some iso's for some other players and figure out who else would be town or scum.
3. SV is actually pushing for a modkill here. Get him.

[theamatuer]

*sigh*
Im with faraday on this. Unfortunately, usernames gonna come back and stuff and join the stupid wagon.
BTW, Beck is also a stupid wagon. So there.

[theamatuer]

I think I'll call back to earlier days

So how is this a good player list again.

[theamatuer]

I'm really considering on changing my town reads on you guys. (beck and rev)
Seriously. Both of you attacked the other, and then says that they dont actually think the other is scum. Why then would you have argued in the first place?
Even if its supposed to be a gambit of some sorts, dont you think 30-ish pages is too long?

And everyone unvoted SV without my notice >.<

unvote

Ill put my vote on after ISO ing all the main wagons.

[theamatuer]

Serious question to SV

Why do you feel the need to troll so much?

Serious Question to Rev

Why do you attack people who find you suspicious?


This is hands down my worst game ever, I'm incredibly easy to troll and pine, rev, and SV all got me going and I'm not proud of it.

Now mafia needs to decide if my soft claim is real or not, I don't want protection, if they kill me, as rev said earlier, it will probably be best for this game.

I'm going to try again to not post anything else this day phase, but I probably will cause I can't help myself.

I'd strongly prefer a rev lynch, maybe a SV lynch, or even a Hiraki lynch but those are really veiled PLs, except Rev, I honestly can't see how his unwillingness to defend himself is town motivated.

That bring said, since nobody will lynch him I'm going after

who I honestly think is scum.

vote: Salandaar

If people are ok with lynching Rev, I'll change my vote back.

Honestly means that Rev being scum isn't honest.

[theamatuer]

Well Soda is the second least poster that was an original (aka not flaked and replaced)
and Funky is the least >.<
Since I'm assuming nobody wants to lynch Funky.

vote: Soda

Seriously. I don't think you are that inactive in your other games.

[theamatuer]

tbh, it isn't
A funky lynch is much better than a soda lynch, but noone will get behind one.

[theamatuer]

soda, funky, SV

[theamatuer]

Why are you against a Slandaar lynch?

[theamatuer]

We all know its never gonna happen by your attitude and playstyle. Try doing so for 3 days and then tell us how it works for u

[theamatuer]

And Ill add Hikari to my scum list, thank you

[theamatuer]

Speaking of fishing....
Rev are you claiming Vig? Because Funky also claimed vig, and I want to see a vig test happen
pedit: sup

[theamatuer]

I suggest that all people only change their votes to the 3 main wagons. It'll be near impossible to start a new one

[theamatuer]

This isn't the longest large normal out there.
Think we should try for the max?

[theamatuer]

Vote: Slandaar

Also, we're currently the most longest D1 on the site!!!!

[theamatuer]

I like Hikari better than Vijay.
But seriously, we have 2 days left to get a full 12 votes.
so VOTE: vijay
Everyone get onto Vijay, and have a vig get Hikari or something

[theamatuer]

It was a joke.

If I broke any rules, sorry, honestly that post is a joke and its obvious to me and to hiraki anyways...

People thinking I call beck a detective mastermind in a serious post? i mean wow.

Though why Hikari?

[theamatuer]

by the way, that actually looks more like two vig shots than anything, and speculating on setup at this point is stupid and pointless,

especially

prior to scum flipping.

Are you trying to say that scum have no kill, or they're trying to help town here.
Personally, I feel that its a vig/scum, but w/e

[theamatuer]

"Looks like two vig shots" my ass. To me, it looks like scum killed Hiraki and vig killed Mastin.

PEdit: Zdenek makes sense, but it's not enough justification for a wagon.
PEdit 2: Yeah, toxic needs to talk.

Why are you so sure scum killed one and vig killed the other?
VOTE: Funky

[theamatuer]

He didn't give much of anything else either, except for a fake vig claim that has everyone going off him.

[theamatuer]

He's a little more active Funky.
I like lynching people that post little first. That way, on the off case that Im wrong, we lose little in terms of reads and activity.

[theamatuer]

I think that funky was told by his scum partners to claim vig if felt threatened. So funky claimed vig at a L-6/7 wagon, and when he sees there is no chance to get lynched D1, he claims that it's a joke. Of course, this requires there to be two scum teams, and that funky's team is aware of that fact.

[theamatuer]

Well they might have thought that town didn't know the presence of two scum teams, so if they noticed two kills, they'd think vig/SK

[theamatuer]

A joke that caused everyone to come off him for no good reason.

[theamatuer]

Because the overall tension with the fakeclaims and the possibility that there is more than 1 scum team.

[theamatuer]

Lol.
Also, Rev might be rereading the post hell that he and beck joint created.

[theamatuer]

yes because we are the 99%.
LOL

[theamatuer]

btw I support a Pine lynch to some degree. He's around null-scum for me

[theamatuer]

And where were you rev?

[theamatuer]

Slaandar's iso says he thinks funky, pine/SV, max, and soda to be scum.
I suggest everyone to relook over these characters.

[theamatuer]

Amusingly ThAd might not be, based on funkys claim being a joke... it makes things different. I have not reread though so meh, I dont really know. His case on me is bad though, i dont see why people find it good.

Try again.

[theamatuer]

Nobody can get all the scum right in one try. We should use the fact that Slandaar was a confirmed townie (as he’s dead and modkilled into a neutral survivor), and rethink on his suspicions.
I’m not asking anyone to blinding sheep a dead person, but to reread these people and think for themselves.
Also, I admit I missed that post. Beck and pops should be taken into consideration too, and be investigated more closely than the rest.

[theamatuer]

Amusingly ThAd might not be, based on funkys claim being a joke... it makes things different. I have not reread though so meh, I dont really know. His case on me is bad though, i dont see why people find it good.

Try again.

Check the post number you quoted there, tough guy. You just made a liar out of yourself, there.

I was talking about another post that I thought you were talking about.
This post did not talk about Thad being scum. It does not talk about beck being scum. It barely talks about pops being scum except in between a VT claim and a self-vote right beside you, and I missed it

[theamatuer]

Well no, I've always said that pine was around null-scum for me since the very beginning

[theamatuer]

Well, apparently rev.
Also Rev should post or he lands in my scum list

[theamatuer]

Why yes I don't take kindly to people who just decide to lurk without any reason.

[theamatuer]

Because he was talking and now he basically did a 180 turn in playstyle.

[theamatuer]

Town

bvoigt
Pops
Beck
Pine
Max
Vel

LurkTown

Sorgster - This read comes from my meta on him. He's just kind of lurky in general.
ScreamingHawk - I read his iso as "busy town" which sucks, as it doesn't help us scumhunt.
SV - although I hate his play, he seems "too busy with work" to be scum.
IAAUN - Currently reading through everything...

Null

Vijay

theam

Lurconis
Zelink

Scum

Zdenek - For his vote cases against anyone and everyone... He attacked me as soon as D2 started, then came out against pops. This post is an example where he leaves out important information from a quote. Notice how Pops concedes that vijay is playing better, and this is why he was off target.
Revenus - For his surprising ability to disappear as soon as D2 started.

LurkScum

Funky
Sky
TheAd

PEdit: @Max... Yeah in a moment of stoner brilliance I thought I could bait people by voting Pine and seeing who would jump on the wagon. /stupid

Wait.. So I'm null? And funky is scum
And instead of voting for funky, you vote me?

[theamatuer]

Good point. vel, why would you vote theam if you have him as null?

I actually want to smoke this fool yesterday

Unvote
Vote: Vel

Don't do lists if you can't keep your fake reads consistent.

Rev, explain your lurking.

[theamatuer]

Yeah. I really dont get why most people aren't wanting to lynch funky.

[theamatuer]

I'm very suspect of Rev lurk-sheeping the wagon against me.

YOu do know I wanted you dead yesterday right?

just explain your lurking.

fos: rev

[theamatuer]

you only posted 4 people, in a 22p game.
Also, beck and rev cannot be scum at the same time. At least, I think they cant be part of the same scumteam

[theamatuer]

also, he said bvoigt is sliding towards scum.
I dont think he said anything afterwards about changing it to town

[theamatuer]

Yes, but considering becks "lynch him then lynch myself if town" statement........
actually, now that I think of it, bussing is possible.
But since Beck is still a town read for me, I dont think so.

[theamatuer]

I should probably go back and check but Im scared of sifting through 500 or so posts.
can you find that post for us?

[theamatuer]

Yes, I thought rev is town because he scumhunted and his play is consistent with the play in his other game.
However, come day 2, he starts powerlurking and refuses to give a reason, which is entirely different from day 1.
I like consistency, since inconsistency is usually scummy in all instances.

[theamatuer]

I'm very suspect of Rev lurk-sheeping the wagon against me.

YOu do know I wanted you dead yesterday right?

just explain your lurking.

fos: rev

[theamatuer]

well.
All these people who refuse even to read and act town.

[theamatuer]

Not much

[theamatuer]

Also Ive heard that SV/NS's goal is less to catch scum and more to make things unfun for the rest of the players.
So I'll be ignoring him from now on

[theamatuer]

I'm giving rev another chance to explain himself.

[theamatuer]

Also Ive heard that SV/NS's goal is less to catch scum and more to make things unfun for the rest of the players.
So I'll be ignoring him from now on

This is not true. I always play to my win condition. I just don't do it in a manner that anyone else approves of. I don't care for anyone's approval.

If your a lyncher type role who's goal is to get beck replaced, I'd nominate you for a scummy.
Otherwise, start posting reactions towards others posts.

[theamatuer]

Yes.
So are original roles for the most part.
It was sarcasm.

[theamatuer]

So wait....
Rev is trying to say there isnt two scumteams, yet says the entire scumteam is on him, and there has to be 2 scumteams in order to have the whole scumteam around him?

[theamatuer]

neither

[theamatuer]

although if you dont humor pines scenario, your defense doesn't make much sense
pedit: I have?
show me then.

[theamatuer]

Most games in general you have a scum who lurks most of the time to stay off the radar.

[theamatuer]

Of course I am.
Now are people going to lynch funky or what?

[theamatuer]

I doubt he'd be a werwolf. If anything, hed flip "Rolling Heights Gang member" or "Bad guys mafia goon" or something like that.

[theamatuer]

werewolfs are only in name. As long as the name is different, there can be different teams with factional nightkills

[theamatuer]

i'd rather lynch pine or theamatuer over sorgster at this point.

theama was terrible in my first game with him, and this game he is *too good*. It looks like he knows everyone's alignment in every post.

And wtf is this retarded two scum team crap. I'll believe it when I see people flip two different scum teams.

I said specifically that that game was crap and not how I play normally, so STFU.
and I play like everyone is town unless I feel like a person is scum, in which I treat that person as scum.

[theamatuer]

*599 posts

[theamatuer]

Oooh! I love when scum on scum benefits me! That ties the case on pops I've been scribbling onto scrap paper up nicely. With a bow, even.

Rev, theam, Pops, Funky, Vijay, and Sorgster. It even comes out to the right number!

And why do you think there are 6 people instead of say 8?
and if you want to continue down this path, please state who you think is with who.
pedit: yeah pine.

[theamatuer]

Hmmm. Looking at that vote count, I'm starting to think we don't have the support for a Rev lynch today. Almost everyone that's off the Rev wagon has stated they don't believe in it, with the obvious exception of Beck, who inexplicably refuses to vote for someone he's repeatedly stated to be scum.

I'm willing to table the Rev lynch until tomorrow and settle for a lynch of theam, maybe sorgster. What do you all think about this?

theam's iso was cringeworthy. I definitely see a pattern of passive-aggressive endorsement of town wagons... I'm sorry bro, but I hope you know that in my mind, all of your posts are narrated by Neo.

Bgradescumcop?

and who is a town wagon to you?

[theamatuer]

@pine: what do you think about Zdenek, sky, and ThAd?

[theamatuer]

You didn't do a very good job of explaining exactly why it was a scumslip.

This is mafia.

There will be wagons.

I feel as if some of the people being targeted are town.

I feel that scum are pushing those wagons.

I feel that theam is one of those scum.

Pine your attack of me is opportunistic. IGMEOY

If you didn't notice, I am pretty much the first and only one pushing towards the funky wagon.
Not to mention how is sheeping something who you read as town bad? btw thats only towards Beck here.
Ill support a Vel wagon if my vote is needed to bring him to L-2 or L-1. Otherwise I'm staying at funky's

[theamatuer]

If you didn't notice, I am pretty much the first and only one pushing towards the funky wagon.
Not to mention how is sheeping something who you read as town bad? btw thats only towards Beck here.

Ill support a Vel wagon if my vote is needed to bring him to L-2 or L-1

. Otherwise I'm staying at funky's

Scum much?

Inorite? It's almost as if he compulsively can't help but hedge his bets by bussing, but not bussing hard enough to make a difference. Or is he actually hunting an opposite number, but doesn't want to obvbandwagon?

Well guess what? I really dont care what scum says.
My current reads are funky>pine>sorg/vel, so I'll only vote one of the last 2 if the first 2 wagons prove fruitless

[theamatuer]

vote: rev

Let's end this day please.

come on its only been 580 posts <3
but yeah. I'd rather lynch rev since he's around null/null-town because of his explanation, but I will hammer if need be.

[theamatuer]

*rather not. sorry

[theamatuer]

@Revenus: You said that you've played with TheAm before, and he was horrible. Did he say things such as "I'll hammer a town read" in that game?

I meant that I'd vote him if the timeline is up, we need a lynch, and Rev is still the highest wagon, i'd vote him since a lynch is still better than nothing.

[theamatuer]

I may be wrong, but I think it's L-1.
Vel, do you change your claim?

[theamatuer]

Right. Vel keeps his claim, and his final reads are the same as everything else.
Hammertime

vote: Vel

[theamatuer]

*same problem.
Also, he HOS's Beck, who is probably the most town in the game. so yeah

[theamatuer]

A mafia doctor.
and zdenek is a mason.
I think Pine is maf. Case coming soon

[theamatuer]

Oooh! I love when scum on scum benefits me! That ties the case on pops I've been scribbling onto scrap paper up nicely. With a bow, even.

Rev, theam, Pops, Funky, Vijay, and Sorgster. It even comes out to the right number!

Yeah this list.
I noticed that It had every single person who thought you were maf or suspicious, except for two people.
Beck and Zdenek. Beck would be impossible to attack since hes percieved by most of the village as sure-town, but Zdenek was the main reason I didn't out this idea, since I couldn't think of much reason behind this, esp. since you called him null-town.
However. If you planned to kill him it would be another story. Basically you're distancing yourself from him by calling him null-town, and filling your scumlist with other people that attack you along with people that most others also think is maf, so that Zdenek's death cant be traced to you

Also, uneven scum teams are possible. scumteams dont excatly have to be equal with numbers, youd just have to tweak the roles around.
so VOTE: pine
Also zdenek's masonbuddy should out

[theamatuer]

not a lot.
Fine, mason claiming is a bad idea.
I still think my Pine case has some merit.

[theamatuer]

And Pine is trying to stall one more day.

[theamatuer]

Revenus or theam today. No excuses, no diversions, no counterwagons.

I find that these posts are antitown since they prevent alternative lines of thinking.

[theamatuer]

Idiocy and the first thing that came to my mind

[theamatuer]

Oh come on.
You complelety believed Rev's vig claim when it happened.

[theamatuer]

I suppose hikari was smart enough to protect me before being killed by the scumteam.
pedit: Face it. Once pine claimed vig, you can no longer see him as town. Read him again, but hes defenitely scum/SK and a good lynch

[theamatuer]

OMG YES. DGBTOWN FTW.

Id like to show you how you automatically assumed DGB to be town when she subbed in

[theamatuer]

Also I have No. Fucking. Idea on how I lived n1.

[theamatuer]

tbh, if he is SK, he probably has something like Bulletproof.
So the dying part doesn't matter.

[theamatuer]

And I highly doubt SK and vig are in the same game with 2 scum teams

[theamatuer]

You know what, screw this.
if Pine wants to claim under little pressure, I can too.

Claim: Roleblocker

Theres no way in hell your any type of singular killing role. You are maf.

[theamatuer]

Well I roleblocked you N2.
So you did not kill pops. It was probably someone else on your scumteam that did it.
Btw, I did not block pine N1, so I have no idea how it happened.

[theamatuer]

Are you trying to say that one of the scumteams Nkd just to let you write your flavor in?
Because there are only 2 deaths here.

[theamatuer]

I roleblocked you N2.
So theres 3 choices here.
1. another roleblocker: unlikely
2. You mafbuddy did the kill for you: possible
3. You are roleblockerproof.
Theres no way you can be vig and roleblockerproof and still have it be fair. So either you are scum or a SK with roleblockerproof abilities.

[theamatuer]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal#setup

[theamatuer]

Because I felt he was scum.
I blocked SV night 1

[theamatuer]

If pine was town and vig, then I would be scum for lying about my RB target. So yeah, can't imagine that happening.
I really don't think there's another town RB, and scum RB's wouldn't target me as I'm pretty much gonna get lynched and they wouldn't waste an action on me.

[theamatuer]

And I put the thoughts of Vels final post with my hammer. His last posts are scummy for the same reason all his posts are.

[theamatuer]

@ta,

a scum roleblocker could have blocked you if they felt you were, say, scum of the opposing team and they were attempting to block your kill. there are also a couple other explanations that are plausible.

i'm asking you to consider the possibility that you're wrong because you've done very little today outside of declaring your unyielding desire to see pine lynched and I want to know who else you think is scum

why do you think pine claimed to be a vig who can make up his own kill flavour? do you think he's lying about targeting you n1?

Fine then. First things first, the making up his own kill flavour, in all honesty, doesn't change anything. Its not explicitly non-normal, and is in reality a useless action. If pine is town though, I'd suppose that his list would be true, and the scum would be viijay, sorg, and DGB.
pedit: In that case, scum should be able to make up their own kill flavors. I'd ask a scumteam to do so but I'd highly doubt they'd listen.

[theamatuer]

PROD DODGE

Quick note: I think Beck is scum.

Prod dodging is stupid and scummy.
Therefore, you are stupid and scummy.

[theamatuer]

I expect you asked the mod about the kill flavor D2 and decided to claim vig with that as proof.
I think all the maf are able to do so.
Pedit: he's flipping out since he's maf getting lynched due to an inconsistency he made with his previous actions
Pedit: chkflip says that it's only if they sent in their actions first. I sent in my actions only a few hours after the start of N2

[theamatuer]

btw, why does flipping out under pressure necessarily make one town instead of scum?

[theamatuer]

I wasn't too worried about it. TheAm has played so scumtacularly,

his days are numbered regardless of what I crumbed or not.

I suspect that this is less about whether I'm scum or not and instead about whether or not I'd block you again
.
And I find the bolded very scummy for some reason.

[theamatuer]

I'd guarantee voting DGB day 3 if pine flips town, but I'd think they'd be busy with lynching the shit out of me

[theamatuer]

Yes they do, apparently

[theamatuer]

While on the other hand, you already have a cop guilty that DGB says is real and Pine is trying to discredit.
Pedit: let me write something about my reads first

[theamatuer]

Will probably be done by this afternoon. Need to be on the computer first.

[theamatuer]

Well first things first.
Pine- he is definitely lying. His vig claim was under little pressure and he claimed that you couldn't get a guilty on him, and he asked chkflip about the 3rd party cop investigation. Serial Killer, or a Godfather type role would be the best bets.
I need to leave for a while. Ill iso everyone else and tell my reads later.

[theamatuer]

Hadn't the time to change post with the new stuff.
That being said, I believe DGB more than SV, as DGB feels more town. Also, DGB might be a JOAT, in which thered be no cc. I suck at game analysis though.
Although, I suppose the minimum that'll happen is a force-replacement. Though that will be impossible considering circumstances. :/

[theamatuer]

Sorry. Just saw zelink talking about re: SV, so I isod SV for his most recent post

[theamatuer]

Well apparently everything I do is useless
Jailkeeper is possible.

[theamatuer]

Well........

unvote

First things first.
Im a mafia roleblocker, part of Rolling Height Gang, partners are [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] and maybe [REDACTED], targeted [REDACTED] N1 and Pine N2.
Pine is scum, but not in the same scumteam as I am. We have a role-cop, and Pine has a bulletproof and kill ability. He is no vig, as a bulletproof vig is just unfair. I roleblocked Pine, but I do not know why it failed.
So after the day's over, I highly doubt Pine will continue to act like a vig because of this, and will target the most town person here or the cop. And since he is bulletproof, you have no way of stopping it.
So by saying this, have I hurt the town or helped it? you decide, and remember to lynch Pine.
And why am I telling you this?
because VOTE: Theamatuer
GO ROLLING HEIGHTS GANG

note: everything here is the truth.

[theamatuer]

congrats town, with your first scum lynch.
And if you lynch pine tomorrow, congrats for you 2nd

[theamatuer]

btw, RHG, please try to make your kill flavor "ice creamed"
Just because

[theamatuer]

Well........

unvote

First things first.
Im a mafia roleblocker, part of Rolling Height Gang, partners are [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] and maybe [REDACTED], targeted [REDACTED] N1 and Pine N2.
Pine is scum, but not in the same scumteam as I am. We have a role-cop, and Pine has a bulletproof and kill ability. He is no vig, as a bulletproof vig is just unfair. I roleblocked Pine, but I do not know why it failed.
So after the day's over, I highly doubt Pine will continue to act like a vig because of this, and will target the most town person here or the cop. And since he is bulletproof, you have no way of stopping it.
So by saying this, have I hurt the town or helped it? you decide, and remember to lynch Pine.
And why am I telling you this?
because VOTE: Theamatuer
GO ROLLING HEIGHTS GANG

note: everything here is the truth.

+we were responsible for killing pops, and not pine. STOP STEALING OUR KILLS

[theamatuer]

God if this is true, ill be elated.

3078.
pine is a pain in the ass and needs to die.
Make sure it happens, since its pro-town anyways

[theamatuer]

btw, expect me to keep spamming here till I die to make up for 2~3 days of posts

[theamatuer]

of course, if chkflip decides to come in here and modkill SV first, I'd probably laugh then cry.

[theamatuer]

oh wait they just get warnings. nvm

[theamatuer]

sv investigate one of smargaret, funky, sky. preference on the first two.

Assuming no one would kill him

[theamatuer]

shame though.
if [REDACTED] [REDACTED], then [REDACTED] would have [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED].
I probably should have fakeclaimed N1 on funky or something.

[theamatuer]

uhuh.
Pardon me, but the fact that you said that so nonchalantly means that I dont believe you.
and those inventions should be 1-shot anyways

[theamatuer]

uhuh.
Pardon me, but the fact that you said that so nonchalantly means that I dont believe you.
and those inventions should be 1-shot anyways

Just ignore everything he says.

shut up scum/flaker

[theamatuer]

In a normal game?

inventors are not specifically nonnormal. It depends on the inventions he has to give

[theamatuer]

I AM BEING HELPFUL HOORAY

[theamatuer]

One point while I'm unable to respond fully (on phone).

TheAm claims Rolling Heights tried to kill me and failed, yet he still stubbornly insists I am Mafia. However, there were in fact two kills last night. This is beyond-a-doubt proof that a vig exists; considering lack of counterclaim, I am precisely what I say I am.

nope. role cop said you were BP and had a kill ability.
We targeted another person. the kill was sucessful

[theamatuer]

hey, go ask [REDACTED], not me

[theamatuer]

btw, I think a doc/Rb is the most likely, from that 2 scum teams thread in Mafia discussion

[theamatuer]

trying to defend Pine. How sweet.

[theamatuer]

Yeah, [REDACTED] visited you n1.
Pops is someone elses though

[theamatuer]

He's part of the mean guys mafia.

[theamatuer]

Who indeed

[theamatuer]

Blah blah blah viijay.

[theamatuer]

I'm thinking that it's funky and viijay here. That's all.

[theamatuer]

Yep~