NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

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Hi guys.

Hello theam.

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VOTE: Hiraki

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I mean zdenek. For forcing us to read other games.

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I don't negotiate with terrorists.

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If what you guys say is true

UNVOTE: whoever
VOTE: Beck

For whining about a game that has no bearing on this one.

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has Mr. Parker even confirmed yet?

No posts from him is quite troubling.

Revenous, I don't need a list of reads, but your next post contain some sort of game content.

And can I suggest not giving mafia any info to help them? These "lists" of town to scum reads just gives mafia a better idea who to target and who to keep alive, plus they usually aren't useful. I'd rather the energy spent on making a case on 1 or 2 people.

That's all I got for now.

You're honestly asking me for reads when 95% of the posts when I made my vote were jokes and the other 5% were you and Pine bickering about a game that I have no intention of reading?

And how are lists of town bad? They also help town figure out the game.

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Also, we have like three people whose usernames start with "thea" so I'd like to establish "nicknames" for each person early on instead of refering to a name that could be construed as any one of 3 players.

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Also, before you guys start dumping on thamatuer, I just played a game with him. He is barely able to form coherent thoughts, attacks people based on emotion and dislike, and when attacked (as vanilla townie mind you) flails heavily. Not saying we shouldn't lynch him, but this is something for the good people of this game to consider.

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And how are lists of town bad? They also help town figure out the game.

THIS! lets not get into a huge debate about it though

Personal preference, but if Beck starts going like "NO WE CANT FOCUS ON OTHER PLAYERS BESIDES THE TWO TRAINS WE HAVE" i'm going to take issue with it.

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I'm not going to get into a list argument with you, but let's just say I tend to respect opinions of players who are on a similair wavelength as mine when I'm scumhunting, and if they provide good scumlists then I tend to consider those opinions more heavily; playing as town is a team game. If you want to be the town superstar who doesn't need anyone elses input, then go ahead.

And if it seems like I'm excusing theam's play; I'm not. It was bad last game. it derailed day one because it was just so easy for everyone to attack him, and it allowed scum to fit right in without having to contribute.

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We'll see if you hold up that promise.

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UNVOTE: beck

I've actually liked what Beck has had to say thus far.

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Exactly. Rolefishing or as you guys call it, PR hunting, is bad bad bad. Forcing claims should only come when necessary, and it's stupid for town to help scum figure out who is what power role.

Town lists on the other hand, help everyone in town scumhunt. If everyone calls a certain player town, then he's probably town. This is a situation vanillas want to be in because they force scum to shoot obvtown players.

Going around blindly as town is stupid and allows scum to roll the game. Voting me for saying that town lists are good is either way bad play by sky.

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UNVOTE: SodaSpirit17
VOTE: Revenus
Town lists are awful. You know who likes finding town? Scum. This is always a red flag for me when someone looks for town over scum.

And scum already knows who town is you dolt.

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Yeah, from a scum perspective it doesn't make much sense, but then again, this doesn't prove him as town, since newscum also tends to find terribad reasons to vote people.

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zel, if you call yourself obvtown enough, I can vote you if you want.

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Really?

VOTE: Zelink

On one hand, scum have to be real ballsy to pull this off. On the other hand, I did warn him.

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I think beck and pine are both town personally.

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God, imagine if I wasn't on v/la

I retract my v/la, I'm able to access on my phone so I'm fine

And here is a shout out to revenous

IM OBV TOWN
IM OBV TOWN

Please explain why you find this scummy?

I told him I was going to vote him if he kept taunting me.


I don't actually think that's enough to indict him as scum, but I had to oblige him when he was asking for my vote. It will be moved off once I see someone I REALLY want to place my vote on. Also, I don't know why you keep putting an "o" in my username.


Would like to hear more from the more inactive players at the moment.

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For example, you guys are all trying to scumhunt to various degrees. Whereas people like iamausername have posted merely fluff like this

Post Post #15 (isolation #1) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:37 pm
ZeL1nk, how am I going to tell the difference between you and Zdenek?

Zdenek, same question.

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Or we have funkybike1, who in this case has skipped the "posting fluff" stage and is merely randomly throwing down votes

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Slandaar, Pine is not a good vote. I've been on a similar wavelength as him, and so I thnk that makes him town. He's a bad direction to pursue at least for day 1.


and to

Revenus, do you find anyone scummy right now?

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I don't have "great" day ones, and generally I don't find town has a good track record for lynching scum day one, so I like to sit back and wait until later in the day to see all the less actives post and whatnot.

By "great" i mean I don't usually nail scum on day 1, and my reads drastically improve on day 2 when I'm able to go back and read flips and whatnot.



I find you, Pine, and Beck all pretty town in my eyes. I'd like to pursue some of the players (re:half) who have around 2-3 posts a piece, most of which don't have content.


If you want me to throw out names for the sake of throwing out names, maybe Bvoigt, iam, and funkybike.


Honestly, the inactives are going to have to post more.

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Beck, I'm assuming you asked my opinion of Slaandar. I think he's town. His logic has been pretty sound so far. He's at least given the appearance of scumhunting.

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amatuer, if you'll notice, Pine wasn't really attacking Beck for any reason except out of personal dislike, and it appears that Beck is an ultra aggresive player who will read into any sort of situation as potentially scummy, so there you have it.

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Beck, I really feel you should be focusing your efforts on some of the more inactive players since I feel your style is good for pressuring people, but the bad effect of that is when you pressure people I believe to be town; it doesn't really accomplish anything and is more of a distraction.

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He's had thoughts that are very similair to mine that I haven't bothered posting because he posted them first. Because of that, I think he's town as well. It's at least good enough for me that I don't want him lynched d1.

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Rofl, yeah, you found 4 scum when almost half the game has barely posted, you are a mafia god.

And DavidParker, why are either me or Slandaar scum.

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Beck; that's dumb. Do you think that it makes them scum? If you're pushing it because the extension of them thinking your cases are wrong makes them scum, that's fine, but if you're going to attack them not because you think they're scum, but that you think they are simply attacking you, that is completely asinine, and therefore you are a detriment to the game. If you're going to just be straight up anti town, then I'm going to be voting you.

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And iam, coming in and going "well I haven't posted anything but here is a post that I think you have fluffed" isn't really doing anything and you should be posting actual game content. I don't mind votes on theam because theys how that people find him scummy, but last game he was very scummy and stupid and turned out to be town so he's one of those players where even if he is scum at the end, it'l be easy for town to tell if he is. There are other options IMO.

And DavidParker, your whole reasoning for voting me was being "noncommittal" yet I voted zel right after making that post; how is that not commital? Don't be stupid.

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smh.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Beck

At first I thought you were playing like a town would, but now I just see you're being a stubborn anti-town who admits to not being able to catch scum.


And to iam:he rolefished then defended himself about as poorly as any player I've seen defend themselves in a game. He was also prone to bad logic, like the two for one, and it just looked terrible on his part. Not saying he can't be scum, but these bad plays don't necessarily mean he IS scum.

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Pretty much: I'm not trying to defend theam if town wants him lynched; by all means thats fine since he doesn't contribute much to town anyways. I just want it to be for a better reason than on the surface scummitude, because he is a pretty poor player, so its easy to pull off his lynch should scum choose to.

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I don't get town reads often and when I do they tend to be scum(smh)

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And you are being anti-town by tunneling people NOT because you think they are scummy but because you disagree with their analysis of their playstyle; it's not helping town, its distracting, and it serves no purpose at all.

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Mod, you're not counting unvotes? kk

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The hell does iaaun stand for

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Yup your iso was rock solid. I'm not going to bother responding to it.

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First of all...town lists are bad? The act of making a SCUMlist implies that you are also making a townlist. It's a stupid argument, and townlists help TOWN narrow down their targets.


Also I have no idea why people are voting me, since no one has given a decent explanation beyond "you know what, I'm ok with a Revenus lynch". That's poor scumhunting and if you're town on my wagon, then I'm honestly confused as to why you are voting me.

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Townlists are good, regardless of what you say, since they help town's day game.

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And scum should be shooting at people they think are PR, not people they think are just "town". In your scenario, it makes it easier for vanillas to do their job and lead town during day.

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I never said anything about claiming bro. Scum's nightgame revolves around taking out power that can crush them at day. If VTs do their job and are active during day and "make everyones town list" it makes scums decisions that much harder.

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Simply repeating that I am scum does not make me scum DavidParker. Wake up.

Still like Pine as town and don't understand the reasoning or votes on him.

Beck you need to stop being so defensive as it is seriously detracting from the game.

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Someone like screaming hawk who hasn't done anything needs pressure

I've changed my mind on Beck again. Even though he's an anti-town scrub who can't do anything except react and base his "scumhunting" on that (if you can even call that scumhunting), no good will come of his lynch.

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However, we have people who have posted all of 4 times, and if say...these 4 posts were in any way insightful or contributing to the game at all, I'd be fine with that. However, we have people like Screaminghawk, who have 2 posts explaining why they need to vote davidparker, followed by a post that explains that Beck is pissing them off, followed by a stupid question that has nothing to do with anything. Seriously, if you're going to ask why Sky needs votes, then you need to follow that up with something

VOTE: Screaminghawk

Asking questions and clarifying how you feel on a player without explaining your thoughts on anything just makes you look like you're contributing, but you haven't.

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And I was suprised Beck apparently has 78 posts, so I went and looked at them all. He blatantly accuses shattered of playing like scum, then in the same post he goes "rev and pine are scum, but theres no reason why I'm accusing them of this except that they have both posted cases why i'm playing poorly blargh"


Seriously Beck, if you have nothing to contribute to the game beyond justifying why every other post of yours is calling other people dickheads, then stop posting.

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Like, I'm sitting here and pretty much the only people I've really seen scumhunting and explaining their logic have been slandaar, pine, and maybe sorgster. Everyone else is laying their votes down willy nilly without much explanation, and its sad that with only 332 posts you guys can't come up with better explanations than "oh hey he voted someone he must be scum"

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I literally facepalmed when I saw Shatteredhawk's response.

Then I saw Beck's response.

In no way did you substiantiate anything you claimed. You say my iso is useless? Wow. Then you go onto accuse Pine of being scum SIMPLY because he is fed up with your bullshit. You must be the worst player I've ever played with, and that's saying something.

And theam, taking someone's list and agreeing with it but putting the list creator as "null-scum" is odd.

And zelink, if all you're going to do is say you're obvtown the whole game, I'm going to start ignoring your content like I do Beck's.


Anyways, I'm fine with a vote on Screaminghawk at this point, but also, I'd actually be ok with pretty much anyone's lynch beyond the 3 I named as town earlier.

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And sword, don't fucking bother posting shit like that. I'm holding you to that promise and expect ACTUAL content, not just some 2 line justification over your poor vote choice that will be upcoming.

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By the way, scum must be jumping in joy over how incompetent or uncaring 95% of the players are this game. Seriously, all they have to do is kill Pine, me, Slandaar, and sorgster and then ride Beck's impulsive no-content spam posting to victory. Everyone I didn't name, fucking step it up.

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Oh and sword of omens is probably scum. His first post going "oh hey zdenek glad to see you made it " is actually a huge scumtell.

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The "doesn't care" is complete WIFOM and shouldn't be used to judge players. Sure, town players have less to risk by "not caring" but at the same time, no one beyond 4 players in this game seem to care, so its not a great way to find scum. At all.


And Beck, I'm scum simply because I don't think your post was relevant? Jesus fucking christ.

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It's more proof you are scum cause it's constant misrepping me, which is a scum tactic

On the contrary, the game doesn't revolve around you, and until you realize this, don't sign up for games.


This is my last post responding to you until you figure out what the point of this game is, figure out that it isn't to feed your own ego, and decide to scumhunt.

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Slandaar and Pine, I think you're both town at this point so I'd like to hear opinions on where we should go.

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Really Slandaar? I'd hardly say his method of scumhunting is very good. Let's try an experiment. You ask him directly to explain his opinions on players other than Pine and myself. Watch him go nuts and accuse you of being scum.

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Actually Pine/Slaandar, would you guys be down with a Beck lynch? At worst we lynch town d1 which although unfortunate, happens all the time to far better players than Beck. At best we get rid of scum who has been mass posting in a disruptive manner, and is seriously allowing almost everyone to just pop in and comment on him. It will certainly clear up the game flow. This is just a proposition, but Beck is far and away the most antitown player in the game and I don't see any signs of improvement from him that will help us in the coming days.


And I'm fine with Hiraki and funkybike.

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Their lynches I mean.

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You think scum are ever gonna shoot this kid? We're going to have to burn a lynch on him later in the game or he's going to survive until end game and lose for us.

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Also Slandaar you completely ignored my suggestion from earlier.

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I'm hoping off to watch football, but to indicate where I want the lynch to go


UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sword_of_omens

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You're going to predicate your entire case on me based on one post and not consider the history of my posts leading up to that post? Ok.

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Fine; no one wants to support a lynch on beck, that's ok. I won't push it anymore if neither Pine nor Slandaar want to cooperate with it since at the moment, no one else in the game has shown me that their opinions deserve my consideration since 95% of posts have been of little substance.

That said, at this point in the game I would like more pressure on inactives that have promised to post, or people like DavidParker who frankly have not played very well at all.

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I absolutely do not understand why he is voting me at all.

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Town should have the same survival motive TBH

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btw i'm going to nightvig you beck

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pew pew

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you wouldn't have any money because you suck ass

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hey i disagree with revenus trying to find out whos town so therefore i'm going to misconstrue it as him PR hunting.

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Use past games with a grain of salt, that's all I'm gonna say

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I'm curious as to how I have 4 votes at this point.

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He's been scumhunting like a good townie, which should be good enough for most people d1.

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Don't direct town actions; I was pretty clearly joking.

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Don't mind the lynch of funkybike, don't mind one of sword of omens or shattered either.

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So being busy for potentially 3 weeks is ok?

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Beck voting funkybike makes me like that wagon less.

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You're obviously retarded, so anything you do is going to make me averse to it.

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Nah, changed my night I AM going to vig you tonight,

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Changed my mind*


my bad.

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Nah, changed my night I AM going to vig you tonight,

This is antitown behavior. More experienced players have explained to you that this is anti-town behavior. Please stop engaging in antitown behavior.

Also, get an avatar.

Spoiler: spoiler

Doc on

Beck

I'm plenty experienced playing forum mafia thank you very much.

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Fencing's gay.

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I play with avatars disabled so whatever

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And I liked that post pops. Of course, its not very hard to analyze shattered's post like that and find flaws since the entire post is flawed but yea.

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Ok I seriously regret saying anything of the nature, as I'm obviously not the vig. Why would I ever risk saying anything as the vig? Don't be stupid people.

Anyways, I see sword of omens is online, and he needs to post.

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hey lets change our mind on people every 5 seconds because other people tell us to

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scum can't lurk? ok.


In a game of 22 players, i'd expect around 7 scum.


You really think no scum are lurking? We have like 10 players who have under 5 posts. I'd like to see them post more. It's early in the day.

Doesn't matter though as your reasons for voting and unvoting me in the past were mind bogglingly idiotic and with your vote being cast around like its worthless, I really don't care that you're joining my wagon, which BTW is populated by 2 people who haven't been on in over 2 days.

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You've swapped your vote around looking for the best bandwagon to join hoping that someone will go OH MY GOD BECK THAT IS THE GREATEST VOTE ever, and then join you on it. You're voting simply to boost your own ego. Don't call that scum hunting.

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Town's best weapon is to talk and vote, but if you do it in a manner that comes off as retarded, no one will listen to you.


No one beyond a handful of players, I'd say pine, slandaar, thadmiral, and pops have shown me any reason for them not to get lynched, as apparently stupid behavior in this game is allowed and when people scumhunt, they're allowed to throw down votes with no explanation and it's "ok"


Give me a fucking break.

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You thinking people are scum really doesn't matter to me, since you've attacked almost half the playerbase at this point for retarded reasons.

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And your outburst lasted for about 60 posts, and it was the very definition of stupid posting, so we should be voting you.

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Ok. but you do realize a large part of convincing people in this game to vote with you is your credibility. When you admit to suspecting everyone at once without considering their post content, then you lose all of your credibilty, which by the way, you have already.

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I'd like you gone from this game

UNVOTE:
VOTE: beck

And if anyone comes in and goes "oh hey you're voting him because he's anti town he's just like that" it gives him an excuse to pull this crap regardless of alignment.

He's seriously hurting the flow of this game and regardless of his alignment, will accept any argument that is spoonfed to him if the writer simply praises him for good play.

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Vig should be shooting people they think are scum anyways

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too bad if i'm not getting lynched i'm vigging your ass

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It's under a third, so that would be the max we have. If game ends before then, well sweet, but I'm operating under a worst case scenario assumption

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You'll die tomorrow why? Me flipping scum doesn't implicate you as scum.

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In post 607, Revenus wrote:
He's seriously hurting the flow of this game and regardless of his alignment, will accept any argument that is spoonfed to him if the writer simply praises him for good play.

Rev, please prove this to be true or admit you lied

It's true you are hurting this game

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it was clearly a joke stop talking about it

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Don't like summaries, but that was at least a townish summary Primate.


theamatuer looks worse and worse as he sounds better and better, based on my experience playing with him last game.

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Oh nice.

More extremely well founded votes on me.

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Oh right Beck, if we disagree with you, or if we think you are scum, somehow we are "lying" and therefore are scum.

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mod:we need prods on several of the players

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What reasons?
Every single vote on me has been terrible.


And Beck, you have almost 0 credibilty in this game right now, so unless someone else tells me that I'm "discrediting" you, then I think you're in the wrong here.

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Oh and Beck, most of the people voting me besides yourself think you're scum as well, so if you think their reasons are "well-founded" then obviously either A. You're not reading, or B. your case is weak, or C. you're admitting to being scum.

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People who ignore someone playing the game better replace out now, if people are ignoring my case and reasons. Others have posted reasons too.

You shouldn't ignore any case, including mine

I absolutely can, since your cases have no substance. For example, here is a typical exchange

Beck: I'm fucking awesome. Fuck you people

Someone: Uh, calm down buddy

Beck: Fuck you too, you're scum

Someone: That's terrible scumhunting

Beck: Stop discrediting me. I'm scumhunting. You're lying. Therefore you're scum.

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And Beck, it's clear you have been barely reading posts not addressing you, because both DavidParker and ShatteredViewpoint, two of the people on my wagon believe that you are scum. This was back when I was defending your anti-town play.

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Beck, are you serious? If two people who are voting me think you are scum as well, they could easily flip to voting you. For you to agree with one part of their argument when it suits you, but not the other part is a great great leap in logic, and this is why you don't understand the difference between an attack on you, and someone "misrepping" you. Your entire basis for your attack on me is that you disagreed with things I've said about you, and as an extension you project that I am scum because of this. I'm not. You're simply a low level player who can't read past attacks on him, which is also scummy behavior. Regardless of anything else you have done, the way you have wrecked day one means that you need to go so you can't wreck day 2.


And I'm not policy lynching anyone. I'm getting rid of the best option for today.

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I gurantee you hands down I have contributed more to this game than rev.

If this was true, first of all, you wouldn't need to say it as it would be inherent to everyone Secondly, you don't get to proclaim that you have done more than someone else.

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My votes on lurkers haven't been weak. His vote is bad. It looks like a bandwagon vote because he doesn't want to be the lynch leader anymore. There's no train of vote leading up to my vote, just a simple quick vote on me.


That good enough Beck?

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And I've defended myself against other votes by explaining to you the leap in logic that they have for their votes, but lookie, you've ignored those posts.

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So you're not going to even acknowledge anything I said because you deem it adhom? You ask me to defend myself, and I do, then you respond with "i'm going to do something stupid" as if that's a threat. Guess what? It's not, because you've been retarded all game. I tried to reason with you but this is what I'm getting, and I'd like you gone from the game.


If you can't even comprehend my argument, then, I'm sorry.


And you're not a lurker. I'm voting you right now.

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QFT.

UNVOTE: theamateur
VOTE: Revenus

Yeah, I'm supposed to defend myself against excellent votes like these.

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You don't get to decide what posts of yours have been useful, since you're going to link 20 random posts from yourself. Your whole argument is stupid. I'm going to go back to ignoring you and asking people to see through your bad play for the retarded scum play it actually is.

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And theamatuer, you're not looking any better.

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Statements like "youre both town" scream: "I know you're both town because I know who everone in town is and it suits my purpose to tell you who is town because guess what? I'm scum"

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People hate my aggression so I'll cut that back, I'll start saying please and thank you if that's what it takes to be taken seriously. I apologize about my previous outbursts with SV, but I really want people to listen to what I have to sayWill people please look at the points about to see if I am write or wrong, if im wrong, please explain why. Thank you.

You've done this already IN THIS GAME, and it lasted for all of two posts. We just went about a page between the two of us, and I explained the huge flaws in your argument against me, but instead you choose to disregard those and start complaining about being ignored.

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Seriously, if you can't read, that isn't my fucking problem.

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This is to the scumteam: If Beck is actually town, you should be thanking your lucky stars he rolled town, because he will singlehandly win you the game.

Too bad he's scum, and he's going to burnnn

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See theam, my case on you is not the greatest since it's mainly a meta argument since you did play so awfully last game. However, someone who at least is explaining their opinions out like you are in THIS specific game where most of the players are content with dropping votes with no explanation, that will save you at least from being lynched d1 IMO.

And Beck, yes, I am scum. I am stalling. You've caught scum, because obviously i haven't posted anything at all.

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Unless sorgster is scum too.

Congrats Beck, you have found another scum with your innovative ways.

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Actually, theam has been looking better of late. You, on the other hand, are firmly off of my Town list and sinking through the neutral categories. Less for the mediocre reasons others have posted about you, and more due to your unflagging willingness to pursue any avenue of discussion ad infinitum, no matter how useless or distracting to the game.

I don't want to misinterpret what you're saying, so I'd like you to explain what kind of discussion you want from me.

And, theam looks better simply because I don't trust his reads and him appearing to have decent reads makes me wary of him. There's such a thing as having too good a game, but like I said, theam's looking bad to me today isn't something I want to go over on d1 when it could just be new found clarity

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Pine, sorry, I tried to ignore him but when half his posts are addressing me and half the game posts are his, it's hard not to. That being said, I'm leaving my vote on him.

IAAUN, haven't looked through the rest of your isos besides mine, but to comment on ONE post of mine out of over 100 calling it fluff is silly, when at the time I called your posts fluff, you only had like 3 posts, 2 of which were joke posts from the begining of the game. Of course, feel free to jump on my stupid wagon, because if I flip it will give town so much ammo to crush the stupid votes on my wagon.

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I did reread his case on me. If you don't like it, you can join the retarded wagon on me. Maybe you've been looking for a chance all game.

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By the way, one of the core ethics of good Town play is to find scum and

get them lynched

. Town will accept scum and VIs onto a wagon they're confident of. So suggest again that I would lower myself to the level of others on your wagon by agreeing with them for entirely different reasons. It will just make them right, albeit for the wrong reasons.

You've gone from "rapidly sinking" to "all out freefall" as the pressure ratchets up. This is

precisely

why we pressure people...many of them crack. Sometimes they spew Towntells. Others, they spew scumtells.

I don't really feel any pressure, but if you want to keep this so called pressure up, that's fine. I've explained all my views, and in this very very poor level of game where Beck's level of "scumhunting" is better than 50% of the game, I'm fine with lynches on most people right now. That's not saying I'd support them with my vote, but it also doesn't mean I'd actively oppose someone like say... SV's lynch.

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I'm not sucking up to anyone, I was declaring 3 people I thought were town at that point.

And as far as those two posts go, I don't see anything terribly scummy about them, I was declaring that you guys are town for now. Unless you're saying I'm not allowed to reverse my reads in later days when we have more substantial evidence of people's townhood or scumhood.

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What exactly is the other half? Defending theam? I hardly call that defending him. My "trolling" of Beck? Have you not read the last 2 pages?

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For those people in the game who have been trying to explain their opinions, and not people like SV, DavidParker, funkybike who are voting me for NO reason, I ask you to look at the people on my wagon right now. Do you seriously think that this is a good train? We have SV, who all game has simply been going LOL IM SUCH A GOOD SCUMHUTNER, DavidParker, who has barely read the game, but sees that I'm the lynch leader and assumes that his vote is good from 30 pages ago, and funkybike who stuck his vote on me because he didn't want to be the lynch leader.

Apparently, responding to Beck in any way shape or form is bad, but I do need to comment on WIFOM. WIFOM only makes sense when it's really a 50/50 shot for scum/town (and in most cases, scum) to do something. Town doesn't need WIFOM unless they're trying to screw over scum at night, and this should be done in a way that doesn't hurt town. WIFOM *could* be applied to almost all cases, but there's a point where it just doesn't make sense in general to be used because of the chance that it won't work.


Responding to Pine's questions in the next post

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about I lay it out in bullet form. Respond to the following:-Your hypocrisy regarding IAAUN's fluffposting, followed by your own. (You somewhat responded to this.)-The circumstances of post 124. (Dismissed, did not engage.)-The dissonance represented by post 177. (Dismissed, did not engage.)-Defending theamateur on several occasions, then becoming paranoid about looking like you're defending someone who the Town is beginning to suspect. (Have not responded at all.)-Willingness to lynch anyone except the three you feel you can't justify it on. (Dodged the point. It was that you expressed a willingness to lynch almost anyone.)-Attempt to rally a serious PL on Beck (note that the difference here is that it was not a joke or frustration, but a serious attempt) after repeatedly stating a belief that Beck is Town. (Have not responded.)-Post 424 seems to express frustration at being caught for the wrong reasons, implying there are good reasons to lynch you. (Have not responded.)-Trolling Beck and engaging his return-trolling. (Have not responded.)

I don't feel it's hypocrisy; for me to have "one" fluff post among over a hundred when he has one fluff post in the one non joke post that he had so far when I called him out on it is somehow bad on my part? Come on.

I was engaging you in conversation; I wasn't trying to find any justifcation for anyone; just reasons why voting someone for stupid reasons COULD potentially prove someone as town; I townhunt as well as scumhunt because it helps with Process of Elimination.

I'll address the next two points in this one; I just played a game with theam where I started being very aggressive towards him very early in the game and he folded like a cheap chair and looked absolutely horrible. We never lynched him because some lurker came in and wanted the day to be over in 3 days of posting and so that derailed his lynch, but he turned out to be town; in this game he's giving far better effort and CLARITY and so for me it almost looks to good to be true, but at the same time I refuse to see his lynch happen day 1, and I am going to defend him unless I see something mindbogglingly stupid or intelligent (for me, he was almost incapable of providing intelligent thought in the first game)

At this point, my list of "acceptable" lynch candidates has dropped; far more players have been posting and giving content and my scope is narrowing. For me, like 4 days into a 3 week long day 1, I keep my mind open as far as lynch candidates go; day 1 is a shitshow, and if you really think we can nail scum for SURE on day 1, you're kidding yourself. It's what town gets from day 1 as far as connections, pressures, and willingness to jump on wagons and start trains that we are able to destroy scum from then on.

I've expressed that A. It's not a PL, and B. I don't feel Beck is town anymore.

If someone is going to try to attack me for one post, they should consider why I made that post; I'm not frustrated over being "caught" because I am not afraid of being "caught".

If someone is going to troll me, I'm going to admit that I'm probably not mature enough to not respond.



That good enough?

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And my serious problem with people thinking Beck is town simply because he's "trying" to scumhunt is that his level of play appears to be so low that his scumhunting will not contribute in any way, and can distract and seriously take away from town's actual ability to scumhunt. If he's scum, his scummates can come in at any point where he's drawing suspicion and say "look, he's town! he's scumhunting! he's just bad!" and attack people for being "lazy" and attacking him for being ANTITOWN. It's inherently hard in a game to single out someone for say...lazy or inactive behavior when half the game is doing it (and I know half the game isn't scum), and so right now "bad" play (I know, I was doing it for theam) is being excused because that's simply how those players work. I think he's scum because everytime I bring something up, it's simply shot down because there's no way he could be scum right?

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I used adhom in my response to Pine?


I'm not going after a lurker, my vote has been on you for a WHILE, and your lynch is not a policy lynch.

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And Beck, the real thing I don't understand is why as soon as Pine starts questioning me, you accept him as town when in the previous 150 posts, your line of thought was that he was scum.

So although you think the both of us are scum, because one of us "turned" on the other, you accept them?

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@rev: can you present a case on beck if you are town please, I need to see your though process behind why you find beck scummy.

If we don't get rid of him, scum will ride his ass to victory because you people will be too scared to lynch him on day 4.

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That does not make one scum.

It is just a PL which you said it wasnt?

It's not.

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Unless it's a PL to lynch scum.

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I've been playing for years

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Your scumhunting is retarded. You attack Pine for half the game then act like he's town when he's questioning me.

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Beck, it would like OMGUS if I hadn't voted you first. Wait, I guess it still looks like OMGUS

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I also don't like Pine attempting to limit our lynches to 3 targets when we have 10 days left.

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Thanks for noticing I was better than you pops, you stupid shit.

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Pew pew. Gonna shoot pops tonight instead Beck, be glad.

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I hope so

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Ugh. Forget about game. Come back to game with 30 pages to read. :/ I'm here though. Rev is stilla good lynch based on the first 7 pages alone and that's plenty to justify a day 1 lynch don't care bout what the last 30pages says unless someone has claimed scum my vote will prob stand, as finding scum on first 6-7 pages is easier than the next 30.

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Did anyone else find this post disturbingly bad.

"Hey guys, can't be bothered to help town, but I'm sure my read from a week ago is correct"

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Oh yeah, and maybe you should give us content while doing so.

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How so? What if we have 3 town players on YOUR chopping block. Sure, you can limit yourself to those 3. You don't get to tell town to limit their reads to those three. To do that when others have been promising content and still haven't posted is absurd.

I'm hardly bitching. If anything, I'm calling you out on limiting our choices. Just because we're at a random point where YOU feel discussion has fallen off doesn't mean we've hit it.

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And I play on a site that works with 48 hours days, so suck it.

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slandaar makes some good points on thead

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no one will think that, but what bothers me is that people can do stupid ass stuff like that, and other people will rush in and be like GOD ISNT IT OBVIOUS ITS A TARP!?!?!?

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Maybe you yourself can adhere to these rules you're setting for other people then.

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He was joking about the second part, scummy mc scum scum.

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What's the case for funk as obvtown? Not being the lynch is understandable I suppose, he could be a newb and all. But obvtown? I don't see it.

Also, Rev, can you give me a clear answer: are you the vig or not?

Unvote:funkybike

Imma iso SV

of course i'm not, that would be silly.

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Don't ever try to sound intelligent again funkybike, it's not working out for you very well.

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I just unvoted you and THAT's what you say?

What? Should I be thanking you for making a decision that you should have made a long time ago?

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wait, Beck will you seriously get yourself modkilled?


That'd be awesome.

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I'm down with a sword of omens wagon.
UNVOTE:

##Vote:Sword o Omens

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ok, then lets lynch vijay

unvote

VOTE: Vijay


purely based on gut and the whole "if beck is town then rev has to be scum BS"

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I agree with Pops on not PLing lurkers D1. You lynch them if they continue to lurk into D2.

Pressure never hurts though.

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I'm confirmed scum? Shut up.


I've been busy the past day and I haven't seen anything worthwhile in the past day to comment on.

I don't understand why when I vote Beck, I get flak, but when others vote Beck for the same exact reason I vote him, it's apparently ok.

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oh are we back to lynching beck, i'm still down

Unvote

Vote:Beck

for many many reasons that i've gone over before.

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and no sane mafia is going NK you Beck as you are clearly not a power role.

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also because you are mafia

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the only confirmed town is someone who can confirm it via role.

are you telling me you have day powers?

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What exactly are you softclaiming oh great one?


Since you're "sure" youre going to die d1.

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And you've also "confirmed" me as scum. Are you some dayvig daycop rolled into one?

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No need to post it?

If you're going to say things like "i'm confirmed" then you need to prove it. So prove it to us. What mystical dayrole do you have?

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I honestly haven't paid any attention to you; I've been busy trolling rev and Beck. It raises my suspicions, though, that you are interested in my read on you. Now I shall have to go look.

Really? You've been trolling me? Try harder because you haven't registered on my radar yet.

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Go ahead Pine. You've been itching to vote me anyways. Glad to see you've found your place on the worst lynch in the game.

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At least Beck has promised to offer himself up when I flip town.

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BTW sorgster, that's quite a leap of logic if you're calling Beck scum in your post.

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[quote]we're not going to kill you[/quote[

Show me where I said this.

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Do it! chkflip isn't the mod anymore!

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Anyways, vote me. If you people can barely grasp the concept of scumhunting or improving town play on d1 to set up further days, then I feel sorry for players like Pine who clearly think they're good at this game. If Faraday is town (which he is), then town should follow him like the pied piper because he seems like the only one in this game who actually has a grip and is trying. And he's a replacement.

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the plot twist is that Pine is probably on Beck's level of ineptitude.

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Anyways, feel free to lynch me, your town will lose as soon as scum picks off the remaining players who have a brain.

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Funny how my changing opinion of you is directly proportional of your opinion on me. When I was on your side, you couldn't sing my praises enough.

Now that I have reasons that I feel legitimate, you attack me with ad hominem scorn instead of trying to show me how I'm incorrect. That's nervous, panicking scum behavior.

Besides, if you do flip Town your reads get vindicated, and get taken even more seriously. So quit your bitching.

If I flip town how do my reads get vindicated at all? I have just as much information to work with on d1 as anyone else. You're setting it up to look clean after I flip town.

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Beck, you haven't posted anything worth reading besides beyond stupid posts.

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I'm not calling you stupid Beck, I'm calling your posts stupid.

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theam has a town read on me and for him to drop it over those posts wouldn't look good for his read progression if he's scum.

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If I were doc, I wouldn't be saving Beck.

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And calling me out on "rolefishing" is stupid; Beck has called attention to his OWN softclaim and has repeatedly stated that he'll "die" unless he gets doc protection. Now, I don't want to direct night actions like Pine wants to, but to say that I'm trying to "rolefish" when Beck is saying things like "i've softclaimed and therefore am immune to being lynched and should be town leader" is ridiculous.

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You're directing the doc, AGAIN.


I wasn't caught by anything, and Beck is definitely not intelligent enough to lay traps. Stop defending him.

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Doc

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btw i'm going to nightvig you beck

You don't announce that. Doc on Revenus, please.

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And I haven't directed any night actions. I've laid down hypothetical situations where if I was a specific power role, then I would act in xx fashion in that situation.


And your last quote quotes me discussion scum night game theory, which I don't know why you brought up to defend your blatant attempts to direct protection to town's worst player.

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The case on me is bad /yawn.

And vijay, that was terrible.


You can't go

"hey I agree that Rev is scum but here's a vote on SCREAMINGHAWK, look at me avoid suspicion if rev flips town"

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It wasn't a scumslip.


I defended myself earlier, but apparently answering the questions wasn't good enough.

DP and SV have no reason to be on me.


There we go. That's my defense.


And for the record Beck, I still lean town on sorgster even though he's on my train.

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BTW guys, I want you all to notice who is leading this lynch (beck). Notice how bad of a player he is. Now ask yourself, why am I following Beck in a lynch?

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True, but in this case he is.

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It's not a scumslip. IF Beck is town, Scum will NOT shoot him. Oh wait, that's what my post said. Apparently stating the obvious is now claiming scum.

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Funny, out of all the people on me, you're the scummiest.


A ton of your posts have been of the"OH HEY HOWS IT GOING " nature, which time and time again I have seen as a scumtell for MANY players. Not to mention you being afraid to climb on my wagon, but welcome aboard.

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Are you serious? In the begining I saw your "rage" as townish, but it quickly became apparently that that's the only mode you operate on.

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And I'm going to admit I want you out of the game regardless of what alignment you are (I'm actually leaning town on you). I really doubt we nail scum d1, and if I had admitted this earlier, I wouldn't have been able to gather a lynch on you. However, at this point, it's clear that that isn't happening, so I'm going to let it out.

That being said, I shouldn't have my vote on you for the above reasons, mainly because your lynch will never happen d1 (scum won't let it and town players have a town read on you), and so therefore my vote is going on a guy who I actually think is scum

UNVOTE

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Vote:Vijay

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Your reading comprehension is really really poor.

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How old are you Beck?

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Beck, I would like to know how old you are because if you are above the age of 14 you should not be asking half these questions.

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Your line of attack is pathetic.

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I'm going to back what I originally should have done; I'm going to stop falling for your trolling and just ignore you as if you weren't in the game.

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Vote vijay with me dawg

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Welcome to arguing with Beck Slandaar. The more you prove him wrong, the more he's going to call you scum.

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COGNITIVE DISSONACE I SO SMRT

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BTW, Hiraki is scum.

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Right now it's gut, but his posts give me a "I'm just posting to stay busy in the game" rather than any genuine scum hunting.

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Pine, I'd like to know who you think is scum in the event that I flip town, since right now you're basing your entire attack mode in the game off the assumption that I am scum.