Meadow of Sorrow Mafia - Game Over! Town Wins

Zindaras · Post Post #15 (isolation #0) » Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:36 pm

TSQ claimed to have information regarding Wuffles, not what kind of information or whether it would mean Wuffles was Town or Scum.

We also had a bit of speculation about the Church Findings-Police Findings, which lead me to believe that there may be two scumgroups.

I also made a random

Vote: Mert

Zindaras · Post Post #19 (isolation #1) » Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:21 am

To be honest, crucifixion looks like a church thingy, since crucifixion is most often associated with religion. So I think it's an eager (or maybe forced?) vig. The Satanic death seems to allude to the second Mafia I speculated about ("Shot in cold blood" would be a Miner Mafia, or something, that's found as scum by the Police but not by the Church, because they're believers). Pentagram is obvobv Satanic kill.

Zindaras · Post Post #35 (isolation #2) » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:56 am

I remember it. If my memory serves me well (and it usually does), he said the evidence wasn't conclusive and he wouldn't reveal it.

Zindaras · Post Post #53 (isolation #3) » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:57 am

TSQ/Wuffles seem to be the only ones we actually have some info on, at the moment (asides from random votes).

That's a bad thing.

Zindaras · Post Post #63 (isolation #4) » Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:10 am

I don't think TSQ is scum and I think one of the three votes on him are scum. I can understand Wuffles' vote, but why exactly are the other two voting him? I don't see how TSQ is strawmanning.

Zindaras · Post Post #81 (isolation #5) » Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:35 pm

olio wrote:Let's lynch Mordor. The only reason I haven't changed to TSQ yet is that Mordor's starting vote is still more lousy than TSQ's crapping.

So you think a self-vote to start off the game is scummier than crap logic?

FoS: Olio

for that.

Mert has to post more, by the way.

Zindaras · Post Post #83 (isolation #6) » Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:15 am

olio wrote:No, I said it's scummier than TSQ's crapping. Why did you twist my words? Same thing if I ask you: So you think TSQ's logic is crap - why's that?

Self-voting added with "I'm never good lynch" -metagamecrap-attitude is harmful for town, so: faster kids learn to play, the better for the game. What better way to teach them than lynching them, eh?

Mordor, nicely timed answer by the way.

I would assume that if you say crapping, you mean crap logic, since that's the crap usually meant.

Zindaras · Post Post #85 (isolation #7) » Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:39 am

olio wrote:So why did you twist my words? Why did you generalize my "Mordor's self-vote is scummier than TSQ's crap logic" to "self-vote is scummier than crap logic"? So you can FOS me?

Because that's how I saw you were saying it. I do not see how any first post self-vote would be scummier than any crap logic.

Zindaras · Post Post #110 (isolation #8) » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:39 am

I'll continue. Game needs to get going, though.

Zindaras · Post Post #118 (isolation #9) » Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:53 am

I am suspicious of STD and cpe, currently. They've been on each other's side constantly all game (both attacking TSQ and TEOM), and suddenly STD thinks cpe is scum. Also, cpe's first post seems to be distancing himself from STD:

creampuffeater wrote:I think I will
Vote Wuffles
for now, but IGMEOY STD. YOU WONT GET AWAY!!!!

Zindaras · Post Post #122 (isolation #10) » Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:21 am

STD, do you mind explaining why you're so suddenly going against cpe, who's been on your side for most of the game and you haven't even FoSed him yet (though I may be wrong about that, if you could direct me to a post where you did FoS him)?

Zindaras · Post Post #126 (isolation #11) » Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:33 pm

Save The Dragons wrote:Why the hell should I FOS some one before I vote them? Why can't I change my mind? Why can't I focus on one thing at time? Why can't I reread the thread to find new leads?

It's quite a major flip-flop.

I've started a bandwagon on CPE. I'd hate to WIFOM but I don't see why I'd do that if I were his partner. Not to say I couldn't be killing a sacrificial lamb, but if your case against me is connection to CPE,

I can see a sacrificial lamb strategy, yes.

1) what's scummy about CPE? all you've posted is connection between us.

What I don't like is the distancing in his first post and his continued inactivity, broken only to change his vote...usually to the guy you're voting.

2) why not vote him? any distancing plan will backfire if he gets lynched, and if he's scum, then we can celebrate. Even if it's purely sacrificial, you could keep your suspicion on me if you choose to and it's a dead scum anyway.

I'm deciding on which one of you I find scummier. I find your attack on cpe scummy, but I don't like his inactivity and non-response to your allegations either.

Zindaras · Post Post #130 (isolation #12) » Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:28 am

Let me reword: I don't like how his posts are not very much filled with content, yet he switches votes a lot.

Zindaras · Post Post #132 (isolation #13) » Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:46 am

I'm a bit hesitant to vote either with the mass amount of people that still have to contribute anything at all.

Zindaras · Post Post #135 (isolation #14) » Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:00 am

I

can

see a sacrificial lamb strategy, which means that I'll look at the other if either of you is scum. I

can

see distancing in the posts.

My case regarding you is based on the fact that you pretty much attacked cpe out of the blue.

My case regarding cpe is based on what I have already posted.

Zindaras · Post Post #143 (isolation #15) » Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:48 am

The fact that you reread the thread was not obvious from your post (in fact, it's not there). Though I will agree that you can attack someone out of the blue after a reread, I don't think that's possible without a large influx of new information. You cannot suddenly go from neutral to scummy over the course of a few posts, unless there are some major scumtells in those posts (which there weren't).

I will vote cpe or STD after the inactives pick up posting, depending on cpe's defense of himself. (and his current situation of non-defense I find scummy)

Zindaras · Post Post #153 (isolation #16) » Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:02 am

Save The Dragons wrote:Wrong. First of all, that's partially opinion. Second of all, why the the hell can't you go back and realize that someone's been doing something scummy that you didn't notice the first time? I was very focused on Shea and a little on Eye of Mordor, and then I looked back and saw CPE doing some crazy shit. So I posted that.

Zindaras wrote:The fact that you reread the thread was not obvious from your post (in fact, it's not there).

That's the main problem I had with your attack on cpe. With that cleared up...

I'd wait for the inactives to post some actual content, but, to be honest, I'm fed up with waiting and I'm under the impression we won't get any content out of them until Judgment Day.

Ergo,

Vote: creampuffeater

Zindaras · Post Post #168 (isolation #17) » Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:48 am

Oh buggah.

Unvote, Vote: creampuffeater

.

Zindaras · Post Post #181 (isolation #18) » Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:53 am

Voting Update?

Zindaras · Post Post #192 (isolation #19) » Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:41 pm

Well, that claim is believable.

Unvote

. It also makes me think (again) that there are two Mafias running around.

Zindaras · Post Post #195 (isolation #20) » Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:58 am

Save The Dragons wrote:
Vote: Zindaras
the mod has been dropping hints, not limited to the one quoted above, to suggest that we have a satanic mafia and a regular mafia. Also, our exchange earlier was a little wierd.

I don't understand this post at all.

Zindaras · Post Post #201 (isolation #21) » Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:28 am

Save The Dragons wrote:
Zindaras wrote:Well, that claim is believable.
Unvote
. It also makes me think (again) that there are two Mafias running around.
cuz you said the above. and I'm like, "isn't it obvious? are you trying to pull something?"

I've been saying it all game, you know. I was under the impression not everyone had responded to it yet, so I'll be restating it a lot.

and then I'm like, "hey, Zindie was the one who was like, "you're scum because CPE's scum, so I'll vote you over CPE."

I was very suspicious regarding your flip-flop. The reason why I voted cpe eventually was because he wasn't really adding anything of value to the game.

Zindaras · Post Post #210 (isolation #22) » Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:40 am

Vote: StD

Some blatant vote-hopping throughout the game, and now he's going for TEOM just because we need a lynch, no actual reasons.

Zindaras · Post Post #223 (isolation #23) » Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:49 pm

TEOM isn't scum. I'm 100% sure about that, and I disagree very much with his lynch.

Zindaras · Post Post #224 (isolation #24) » Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:50 pm

EBWOP: Not 100%, but it's close.

Zindaras · Post Post #226 (isolation #25) » Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:20 pm

Simply because I have some big reasons to think TEOM is town.

Zindaras · Post Post #230 (isolation #26) » Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:40 am

Toaster Strudel wrote:May I suggest we take a bite off the creampuffeater, and vote for him?

When he's a claimed cop? Don't think so.

Zindaras · Post Post #232 (isolation #27) » Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:05 am

Thestatusquo wrote:Zindaras. As CPE has claimed cop, I have no clue how you could be town at this juncture.

I don't understand this. At all.

Zindaras · Post Post #243 (isolation #28) » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:51 am

Most people are already sold on the fact that there are two scumgroups, which also leads me to believe there are two cops. The 100% was a silly overstatement. I'm merely stating that I have severe reasons to believe TEOM is town.

Zindaras · Post Post #283 (isolation #29) » Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:57 pm

*laughs*

Hey Fritz, who should we be voting?

Zindaras · Post Post #286 (isolation #30) » Sat Dec 09, 2006 11:46 pm

Fritzler wrote:
Zindaras wrote:*laughs*

Hey Fritz, who should we be voting?
duh

katy

Even though she's a claimed cop? Seems odd to me.

Zindaras · Post Post #288 (isolation #31) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:20 am

Well, that's how I understood it. I may be completely misunderstanding what she's saying, but that's the only way it makes sense.

Zindaras · Post Post #293 (isolation #32) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:22 am

Unvote, Vote: TSQ

He's closest to lynch, other than Katy, and this:

HurriKaty wrote:
Zindaras wrote:Well, that's how I understood it. I may be completely misunderstanding what she's saying, but that's the only way it makes sense.
No, you definately got it right.

Only confirms my thoughts.

Zindaras · Post Post #296 (isolation #33) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:17 am

Assuming 2 scumgroups and probably an SK, too, Katy has sealed her fate if she's scum.

Zindaras · Post Post #310 (isolation #34) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:01 pm

Thestatusquo wrote:What have I done to be the play at deadline?

You were the one closest to being lynched. And I think you're scummy, too.

Zindaras · Post Post #322 (isolation #35) » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:47 am

Thestatusquo wrote:I'm still curious as to why I'm the vote leader, perhaps it has something to do with me being voted by two people not actually playing the game since the random voting stage. Zindaras, if theres no reason for your vote other than me being the second most besides katy, then I think it's a horrible idea to vote me off

1) The OMGUS vote of someone I put forth a half baked theory about p1, and

2) A player who is not even playing the game voting me with no analysis.

:rolleyes:

Uhh, yeah, I had a thought, then I had to write a DP and I forgot.

I found dahen's analysis very interesting. I think Olio's scum, from that post. Olio's been following StD around a

lot

, in pretty much everything, and I don't trust that at all.

Unvote, Vote: Olio

.

Note: I voted you because I thought the deadline was on Sunday (and I do think it originally was). The deadline got moved, so now the vote isn't necessary.

Zindaras · Post Post #335 (isolation #36) » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:36 pm

olio wrote:Zindaras, do you think dahen made a good analyzis about spectrumvoid being scum or did he open your eyes only in my case?

I'll agree there's a certain dissonance in spectrumvoid's posting, and I'm getting pings from her, but I'd prefer to get you out of the way first. I may or may not vote spectrumvoid later on. I didn't find dahen's case compelling because, well, there didn't seem to be a big case. The case was his PbPA, and I got that spectrum's scummy out of it, but not why I should be voting her.

If dahen comes up with a better case, I may vote her, yes.

Zindaras · Post Post #358 (isolation #37) » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:16 pm

Mert's gone from the site, as far as I know. I replaced him in Newbie 275, and he needs replacements in all the other games I'm in with him as well.

I don't feel like dying, so if I have to, I'll vote TSQ. I've been getting pings from him all game anyway.

Zindaras · Post Post #359 (isolation #38) » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:16 pm

Actually,

Unvote, Vote: TSQ

. Olio's not getting lynched, so I might as well put it on him now.

Zindaras · Post Post #365 (isolation #39) » Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:06 am

YAY OLIO LYNCH!

Unvote, Vote: Olio

Also, double satanic-cop wtflol?

I actually buy the thing, though. I'm kind of a cop role as well. PK's first ever game he hosted was a Cop-game, and I can see him trying to pull the trick here, too.

Zindaras · Post Post #390 (isolation #40) » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:36 pm

Well, guess I was right about TSQ, eh?

I'd say that the Criminals are Mafia 2 and the Damned are the Cult. The Cult of the Damned was one of the Cults in another PK-hosted game.

Personally, I'd say that the Criminals are all from the Church, which is why they're all getting crucified after being shot.

Could be wrong though.

Zindaras · Post Post #392 (isolation #41) » Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:12 pm

Oh, you do seem to be correct there Thok, but I don't know if Primate would count as the ash kill, since he merely turned to ash when he touched consecrated ground. He wasn't burned to death, as the second kill would suggest.

As for the table:

Colours aren't coming out well, but Criminal's red, Satanic is Gold/Orange, Damned is purple, Town is green. I put a question mark with Primate because I'm not sure about him.

Zindaras · Post Post #395 (isolation #42) » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:38 am

All roles occur at the same moment, so that's not true, sv. Also, there were 3 kills both nights.

Zindaras · Post Post #398 (isolation #43) » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:11 am

Ah, thought so.

A vig is not likely. I wouldn't have killed StD, personally. I'd say someone whose kill got stopped Night 1.

Zindaras · Post Post #405 (isolation #44) » Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:40 pm

spectrumvoid wrote:So even if say an SK/vig dies, does his kill still go through? (I've got a playing around where I'm either scum/cop/town. Never been SK, vig, any others)

I think I got messed up over the number of kills because I'm used to thinking of N0.

Well, unless there are docs or roleblockers preventing stuff, it still goes through.

Zindaras · Post Post #411 (isolation #45) » Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:16 am

CrashTextDummie wrote:Hi everyone, I'm replacing TheEyeOfMordor.

I find dahen's reaction to the nightscene noteworthy. The suggestion of a cult in addition to "having a feeling that our teacher might not be the frendliest around" does not ring pro-town to me.

Vote: dahen

Why is the suggestion of a Cult scummy? I think it's logical that there is a Cult right now.

spectrumvoid wrote:I think both dahen and Zindaras are suspicious, on the basis of post 358, 359, and 361.

Why, exactly, are those posts suspicious?

Zindaras · Post Post #414 (isolation #46) » Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:13 am

I dont think that it is logical. Right now, I think its obvious we have 2 groups of mafia, the criminals, and the people aligned with the devil. Where you get cult I dont know.

Satanic, Criminal, Damned. 3 non-town alignments. PK always uses Self Aligned for Serial Killers, as far as I know. Damned Aligned Teacher doesn't make sense. At all. StD was a nice cultivation target after yesterday. I prolly would've gone for him in that case.

Actually, I think you could be the leader of this gang, as you are the one who said StD was Town Aligned Teacher.

Zindaras · Post Post #419 (isolation #47) » Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:25 am

Oh, I confused you with Katy, cpe.

But why did you target StD, of all people? Why would a paladin turn people into ash?

Zindaras · Post Post #421 (isolation #48) » Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:20 pm

spectrumvoid wrote:Zindaras
Post 358: Zindaras says he's been getting 'pings' from TSQ, yet he admits that he's voting TSQ because he doesn't want to die.

Post 359: Then he votes TSQ, because 'olio's not getting lynched.'

I preferred Olio. If Olio's not happening, I'm better off switching to my second candidate, TSQ, who was possibly going to happen.

Zindaras · Post Post #422 (isolation #49) » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:24 am

Pressure Vote: Bogre

Mert probably needs replacement, as he hasn't posted on the site in a month or something.

Zindaras · Post Post #441 (isolation #50) » Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:57 pm

cpe

, why did you target StD even after HurriKaty claimed him to be a (Town Aligned?) Teacher?

Zindaras · Post Post #445 (isolation #51) » Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:38 am

spectrumvoid wrote:I still don't like your reasoning. Basically you were willing to lynch TSQ, not because he was on top of your LOS, but because you didn't want Zin to die. That just reeks of scumminess, and it felt like you were using the deadline as an excuse to hop on.

As dahen said, this is bad reasoning. You should always try to get your top suspect lynched, but if someone you think is town is on the chopping block it is perfectly acceptable to go for a player you are less (but more than the guy you think is town) suspicious of.

Zindaras · Post Post #447 (isolation #52) » Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:58 am

al_kohaulec wrote:LOL, since I seem to be the only one with this glitch on these boards, I'd just like to point out that Zindaras's gender is STD's avatar

Zindie is of the STD sex.

Screenshot?

Zindaras · Post Post #449 (isolation #53) » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:33 am

al_kohaulec wrote:EBWOP: I gues everybody is

Gender confusion at its best.

Zindaras · Post Post #463 (isolation #54) » Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:51 pm

I want to know why you targeted StD, because that is one ridiculous targeting action. I also don't understand why a Paladin (as that was your claim, if I'm correct), would turn people to ashes.

Zindaras · Post Post #473 (isolation #55) » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:22 am

[quote="Fritzler"]borge will die tonight anyways[/quote]

Where'd you get that idea?

I'm currently buying cpe's claims, mainly because scum will be forced to kill him off at any given point anyway.

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]This is running to a dead end now...

I've readed everything, and I can't say that anyone caught my particular scumeye. However, my role is among the dead for some reason 0_0[/quote]

Hate to fish, but elaborate somehow on this?

Zindaras · Post Post #480 (isolation #56) » Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:52 am

*scratches head*

That doesn't make sense.

But I don't need clarification. I'll let that wait until you've convinced me you're scum.

Zindaras · Post Post #486 (isolation #57) » Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:59 am

Alko, Toaster Strudel is voting cpe.

Zindaras · Post Post #494 (isolation #58) » Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:20 am

The stalling, the stalling!

Unvote, vote: cpe

I don't think I can bear any more of this.

Zindaras · Post Post #513 (isolation #59) » Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:27 am

Voidybuns, I'm bored. Empirical evidence suggests that I vote people when bored.

Zindaras · Post Post #520 (isolation #60) » Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:11 pm

...

What's a Blackleg?

Zindaras · Post Post #523 (isolation #61) » Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:27 am

Fritzler was the second person on the CPE wagon yesterday...

I can see him as scum, though I'm not entirely sure about it.

Zindaras · Post Post #525 (isolation #62) » Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:55 am

dahen wrote:Sure you can see him as scum. I can see anybody but myself as scum. And I really hope you'd tell if you were entirely sure of someone being scum. I assume that people never are entirely sure of anything when searching for scum. I still think that Fritzler is the worst possible lynch, so I'll
FOS Zindaras
as well.

Why would Fritzler be the worst possible lynch?

Zindaras · Post Post #528 (isolation #63) » Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:45 am

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]I'd say we still lynch him, just in case.[/quote]

What's your case?

Zindaras · Post Post #534 (isolation #64) » Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:40 am

I find a couple of things odd.

For one, the whole Damned Aligned reeks of Cult. However, the game is co-modded by Petroleumjelly, whose intense hatred of Cults is known throughout the universe as, well, unsurpassable. I think he even refused to co-mod games with Cults.

Yeah, I know I thought Cults yesterday, but I hadn't talked as much to PJ at that point as I have now.

For two, Fritzler. He ended last day claiming that Bogre would be dead tomorrow, and, *gasp*, Bogre got killed last night by the criminals.

For three, wtf's a Blackleg?

For four, Scope's vote-hopping.

For five, this entire game. But meh, that's not news.

Zindaras · Post Post #543 (isolation #65) » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:39 pm

Ask alko, Fritzyboy.

Zindaras · Post Post #545 (isolation #66) » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:10 pm

dahen wrote:or my ability is seriously whacked

I would not discard this possibility very quickly. The guy who designed this game is bonkers.

Zindaras · Post Post #546 (isolation #67) » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:24 pm

Also, Fritz, your claim is suspiciously lacking in a name.

Zindaras · Post Post #552 (isolation #68) » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:23 am

Richard Nixon the Vig with his AK-47's?

If it's true, Pariah's getting a Scummy Nomination.

Then again, I don't believe it.

Vote: Fritzler

Zindaras · Post Post #554 (isolation #69) » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:40 am

Why did you kill ShadowLurker, then?

Zindaras · Post Post #567 (isolation #70) » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:26 pm

I would expect Fritzler to vig Night One if he had a vig role. However, his suggestion does not stroke with the rest of the game. We've got Church Findings and Police Findings. The Church finds Satanic as Scum and Criminals as Town. The Police finds Criminals as Scum and Satanic as Town. That is some huge hinting at double scumgroup, and if Fritz is a Vig, we'd have to discard the entire double scumgroup theory and assume that TSQ was a Serial Killer.

I'm not doing that.

Zindaras · Post Post #571 (isolation #71) » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:51 pm

Fritzler wrote:why can't there be more crimminals?

I guess that it

could

be possible for the Criminals to kill via crucifixion, as they seem to be churchy...

But Richard Nixon the Vig with AK-47's? That looks horribly unlikely.

Zindaras · Post Post #578 (isolation #72) » Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:25 am

Fritzler wrote:well im the shooter

seriously guys, are you going to figure there are four anti town killers?

if no one of them must be pro town

go to night, no one has to claim it, if there is another vig, they will kill me

The Ashes were from creampuffeater, remember? He was Town Aligned. Also, "Just give me one more day." is pretty much the worst argument you can come up with.

Toaster Strudel wrote:BTW - whoever is stealing my vote. I will find you out. And I will hound you in every game we're both going to play in. You have just declared war.

I think Thesp claimed to have stolen your vote ages ago.

Dahen's claim also has a huge omgwtfbbq rating.

Zindaras · Post Post #581 (isolation #73) » Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:48 am

Fritzler wrote:You realize that didn't respond at all to my argument? CPE investegated me that night. He killed STD night 2. So n1 there were for kills, and none of them came from a pro town source.

We're not entirely sure Primate was targeted with two kill roles, but yes, you have a point about cpe's investigation. I'll take a look at cpe's claim again.

Also crucifixions aren't churchy. They're like anti-churchy. Churchy would be siccing jesus on them, not using the celebrated symbol of jesus's death to kill people. Unless there are killing vampires.

Ugh, yeah, I associated cross with church, that's silly.

What

does

make me wonder is that in the case you're suggesting, the criminals wouldn't be killing at all. Crucifixion wouldn't be criminal, pentagram is obvobv satanic, ashing came from cpe, shooting would be you.

Also, Fritz, if we'd be going to night right now, who'd you kill?

Zindaras · Post Post #584 (isolation #74) » Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:08 am

Fritzler wrote:no i think they could be pentagram

So they'd kill their own (TSQ)?

honestly, i think i'd kill you, you seem scared of what a vig could do, and looking to not to promote discussion on kill types, plus you're close with pariah, and know this is the kind of shit he'd try to do

No, I'm not scared of what a vig could do. If you're a vig, go you. I want to get a good read on which group is using which method of killing. Also, yes, I know Pariah's modding style, which is exactly why I find Richard Nixon the Vig with his AK-47's a very odd role indeed.

Zindaras · Post Post #590 (isolation #75) » Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:06 pm

Fritzler wrote:i meant the crucifying shit

There were four killing methods:

The pentagrams: Can't be Criminals, because they'd be killing their own.
Crucifixion: Can't be Criminals, because the Criminals are associated with the church, and, as you stated, crucifixion is anti-church, not pro-church.
Ashes: cpe's killing method. He's dead.

That leaves shooting, the killing method which you have claimed.

well when i come up town, it'll prove that you;re lying or don't know his style

I'd compare this game mostly to Ghost Mafia. He's hosted other games, but I'd put that as the best comparison.

Zindaras · Post Post #591 (isolation #76) » Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:07 pm

dahen wrote:What does this mean?

I don't get.

I'm doing this a bit from memory, but if I'm correct, you've claimed to have done something with the whole Damned Aligned thing, and something with Cop immunity, and whatnot. I don't get it. At all.

Zindaras · Post Post #601 (isolation #77) » Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:11 pm

dahen wrote:
Zindaras wrote: I don't get.

I'm doing this a bit from memory, but if I'm correct, you've claimed to have done something with the whole Damned Aligned thing, and something with Cop immunity, and whatnot. I don't get it. At all.
Don't worry. You aren't correct.
I claim to have given Fritzler protection from investigations. That's all.
I gave it to for two reasons:
1. So I could see that my ability worked as specified. At least Fritzler says he got it.
2. So I could be confirmed. I know it doesn't say anything about my alignment, but at least you know that I'm no regular scum (or townie).

The reason I gave it to Fritzler of all people is that he was already investigated by CPE and would probably not be targetted again by an investigation.

Have you claimed all your abilities? I'd like to see it all in a nicely wrapped package, as I can't put my finger on it this way.

Fritzler wrote:wait, why are the crimminals related to the church?

klebian wrote:Well this was TSQ's role:

7. Thestatusquo killed Night 2
Church Findings: Reverend, Town Aligned
Investigation Findings: Murderer, Criminal Aligned

Also, here's some more evidence against Fritz:

creampuffeater wrote:WAIT WAIT. Let me get rid of some confusion. When I use my cop, if they are scum
to the church
they turn into a pile of ash (STD). Thats where the kill came from. Right now, I doubt they are the same ashes, as I inspected Fritz N0, not primate

Emphasis mine.

If Fritz is a Criminal, which I do think he is, he would not have been killed by creampuffeater.

Zindaras · Post Post #602 (isolation #78) » Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:16 pm

Skruffs wrote:I'm guessing maybe ... the reverend was an SK, CPE was a vig, different kill styles, different motives. This might seem obvious to all of you but... I just wanted to kinda 'correct' what I see as an oversight in Zindaras' thing on Nixon up there.

No. You see, the problem with that is that it completely breaks the symmetry of the game.

Look at it. It's delicious symmetry. The church finds the Satanics as scum, and the Criminals as town. The Police finds the Satanics as town, and the Criminals as scum.

And if TSQ was a Serial Killer, then we should be getting fewer kills, which we aren't getting (the crucifixion kill may be gone, but since TSQ was also churchy, he couldn't be the crucifier).

Zindaras · Post Post #604 (isolation #79) » Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:54 am

Skruffs wrote:You are right, I am still rereading and just piecing together what I have read (so far) and what is going on currently.
Thank you for showing me that about CPE.
I still think the reverend was an SK that incinerated people. There was no crucification, and there was no
ashes
. That's two forms of killing that were not included. That doesn't mean those killers are dead, it's just something to note.

cpe claimed to have been the source of the ashes.

Zindaras · Post Post #608 (isolation #80) » Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:23 am

spectrumvoid wrote:I'm currently wondering whether there's a particular reason as to why some dead people have different results from different groups, while CPE shows up as town both ways. Any ideas?

Because he wasn't scum. Everyone sees town as town. Criminals are seen as town by Church and scum by Police. Satanic are seen as scum by Church and town by Police.

The only thing that doesn't fit in here is that damned (gawd, horrible pun) StD.

Zindaras · Post Post #611 (isolation #81) » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:58 am

dahen's role is waaaay out there.

But, seriously, Fritzler's the play.

Zindaras · Post Post #614 (isolation #82) » Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:47 am

Reasons or arguments would help, deary.

Zindaras · Post Post #616 (isolation #83) » Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:22 am

I think that everyone who shows up as scum is scum and we need to kill them all. To assume that one of those groups is faux and the mod's lying to us would not be a good idea if that group suddenly turns out to be real and killing us.

Zindaras · Post Post #619 (isolation #84) » Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:19 am

Fritzler wrote:zindaras: do you think there is a vig in this game that can kill members of whatever group you think i belong to?

I believe there are anti-Criminal roles, yes. Either that or there are more Satanics than Criminals. There's a balancing factor in there somewhere, is my guess. The symmetry doesn't have to go up for the entire game.

Zindaras · Post Post #621 (isolation #85) » Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:27 am

That's not really an argument not to lynch you. That goes from the assumption that there is another vig, which we do not know, and that you don't have some silly godfather role, which, again, we do not know. Also, that would mean that vig is unable to vig other scum during the night.

Zindaras · Post Post #627 (isolation #86) » Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:52 am

dahen wrote:We know for a fact (by mod) that satanics are mafia-like scum. We don't know for a fact that those who are investigated by church as satanic are satanic. Maybe this is what you intend to say. Otherwise, this sentence doesn't say much, since no-one has shown up as scum.

I would like you to consider the fact that Thesp might show up as a criminal, since it's quite logical that pirates are considered criminals by the police. However, that doesn't mean that he is scum.

I think everyone who comes up as scum in either investigation are scum.

I'm actually wondering if this is a game of prejudice. That the church believes some to be satanic just because they are no believers, and that the police believes some to be killers just because they don't always follow the law.

Reverend=/=Criminal.

This would of course require some roles to compensate for the confusion.
I want to hear if someone have had similar doubts before I continue this theory.

Doubts are here.

dahen wrote:
Zindaras wrote: That goes from the assumption that there is another vig
So you think Fritzler is a vig now?

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying another vig next to creampuffeater.

Zindaras · Post Post #629 (isolation #87) » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:13 am

Fritzler wrote:ORLY?

What I meant with this is that if the Reverend would be normal Town Aligned, then he should also turn up Town Aligned in the Police Investigation as well. That's what dahen (I believe it was dahen) was suggesting.

Zindaras wrote:If there's another vig other than me, doesn't it stand to reason that they'll kill me tonight?

Yes. Again, what I've posted earlier comes into effect:

Zindaras wrote:That's not really an argument not to lynch you. That goes from the assumption that there is another vig, which we do not know, and that you don't have some silly godfather role, which, again, we do not know. Also, that would mean that vig is unable to vig other scum during the night.

Zindaras · Post Post #631 (isolation #88) » Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:13 pm

Mod

, vote count, please?

Zindaras · Post Post #633 (isolation #89) » Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:34 pm

CTD has been replaced by Blackberry.

Also, I demand a lynch.

Zindaras · Post Post #641 (isolation #90) » Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:18 am

Toaster Strudel wrote:Don't bother prodding me I am around but I have no vote so who cares.

Wait, you do have a vote, don't you? I mean, Thesp's vote doesn't show up twice, like yesterday, so you have a vote, right?

Also, Skruffs is acting weeeeirdly.

Zindaras · Post Post #643 (isolation #91) » Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:41 am

Well, I don't like it at all, deary.

Zindaras · Post Post #644 (isolation #92) » Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:41 am

EBWOP:

FoS: Skruffs

Zindaras · Post Post #661 (isolation #93) » Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:05 am

I find the lack of Fritzler hammer in your post disturbing. If my memory's serving me well, I voted TSQ throughout most of Day One.

cpe killed stuff that was scum to the Church. The Damned were/are anti-church.

Zindaras · Post Post #670 (isolation #94) » Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:54 pm

Fritzler wrote:that's not what damned means

yawn....

No, but it is part of it. The church do think that the Damned are evil.

klebian wrote:fritz is at -2, at any rate
Why did skruffs unvote 1 day after he voted? I don't see enough difference from his vote and his unvote posts to think that he did so for a protown reason.

He's trying to save his scumbuddy obvobvobv.

Zindaras · Post Post #690 (isolation #95) » Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:53 am

omgwtfbbq?

Why the hell are people getting off Fritzler?

Zindaras · Post Post #692 (isolation #96) » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:16 am

Fritzler wrote:because I can actually catch scum

So let's leave scum alive because he's catching other scum? That always has been and always will be a stupid reason not to lynch someone.

Zindaras · Post Post #697 (isolation #97) » Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:39 am

[quote="Fritzler"]A) I'm more confirmed than you are, with one innocent investegation[/quote]

Bull. You are only investigated as town to the

Church

, while we have already noticed that Criminals appear as town to the Church.

[quote]B) My name is inigo montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die.[/quote]

Nice to meet you. My name is Zindaras, and I'm going to put a noose around your neck.

[quote="spectrumvoid"][quote="Skruffs"]IF fritzler is a vig he is nightkillable, if he is mafia he is nightkillable (unless he's godfather) and if he is an SK he may or may not be nightkillable, right? In any case, if there's a doctor, they should ignore fritzler tonight... not to go all 'trial by fire' but if he's alive in the morning than

[/quote]

unvote

[/quote]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]

unvote

[/quote]

[quote="Blackberry"][quote="Toaster Strudel"]Having no vote is too boring. Have me prodded if you need anything from me. Sayonara for now.[/quote]

This quote seems scummy. Hez's psychic waves have informed me TS is scum...

Vote: Toaster Strudel

[/quote]

[quote="Skruffs"]For your consideration ^.^

Vote : Thesp

Unless there's a way to prove that a vote stealer is town.[/quote]

Why are you not voting Fritzler?

Zindaras · Post Post #708 (isolation #98) » Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:02 pm

spectrumvoid wrote:I'm withholding judgement for now till we hear from dahen, or his replacement.

What effect does dahen has on the decision to vote or not vote Fritzler?

Dahen, why do you feel a Fritzler lynch wouldn't lead to dead scum?

Zindaras · Post Post #711 (isolation #99) » Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:18 am

Blackberry, I asked you this before.

Why are you not voting Fritzler?

Zindaras · Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:56 am

Blackberry wrote:B: AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, we KNOW he isn't Satanic

Your point? We need to lynch criminals all the same.

C: I believe his claim, either way, we can control him from now on by telling him what to do, and if he doesn't we can lynch him.

You think that there is any way in hell that Fritzler will let anyone tell him what to do with his role? I don't see that in his character.

We are at 10 living players. We've seen two scumgroups. Now, let's take two scumgroups of 4. Let's even assume that Fritzler is an SK and not a member of either scumgroup (which would make it worse).

We're going to see 3 deaths next night if we don't lynch Fritzler, leaving us at 7 alive. If we don't get three dead scum (two Criminals and a Satanic), we'll be at lylo tomorrow (unless we get even more crosskills the night after).

At that point, Fritz-SK is going to be laughing his butt off because we've been so idiotic to leave him alive.

Refute me, this:

Why would Richard Nixon be in the meadows of sorrow? Why would this Richard Nixon have AK-47s? Why would these AK-47's be impossible to steal for Thesp? Which kill is the Criminal's?

Now, let's go on a hypothetical situation tour.

Fritzler is a vig: There are no Criminals or they don't have a kill or they crucify people. There is a role in this game called Richard Nixon, who, with his awesome AK-47's, can kill people. These AK-47's can't be stolen by rolestealers. There are, what, 2 vigs, 2 SKs and a Mafia?

Fritzler is a Criminal: The Criminals are the shooting kill. The reason Thesp didn't steal Fritzler's kill is because a Mafia kill is not an ability and therefore can't be stolen.

Occam's Razor suggests we lynch Fritzler.

D: I think others are scum / not him

Oh? Elaborate.

dahen wrote:I agree completely with Blackberry on this one.

I believe Fritzler's claim. Even IF he really is a SK he has done a good job so far of taking out satanics and I would much rather hang a satanic. I'm suspcious of those who prefer a Fritzler lynch since we know very well that a Friztler lynch will NOT lynch a satanic and we know that Fritzler has caused the deaths of two satanics. Unless somebody wants to counter-claim those kills.

Oh. God.

What are you thinking, man?

There are

two

scum groups. Get it?

Focusing on Satanic people right now is complete bullcrap. The Criminals'll just laugh at us for it. Also, do you really think any sane scum is going to counter-claim Fritzler's kills?

Zindaras · Post Post #726 (isolation #101) » Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:46 am

Blackberry wrote:o.O *oinks*

This is your rebuttal?

Why are you not voting Fritzler?

If you're so goddamn sure that Fritzler is town, rebut my arguments.

klebian's either an idiot or he's scum. Or both.

Zindaras · Post Post #731 (isolation #102) » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:40 am

Blackberry wrote:I BELIEVE HIM FRICKING CLAIM AND I THINK WE CAN USE HIM TO KILL FOR US AT NIGHT. ARE YOU AFRAID OF HIM KILLNG YOU AT NIGHT??

Capslock never made anyone more convincing, deary.

Explain why his claim is believable.

Zindaras · Post Post #732 (isolation #103) » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:40 am

EBWOP: Explain, also, what the Criminals are, what their kill is, why Fritzler's not a criminal.

Zindaras · Post Post #734 (isolation #104) » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:35 am

Because you're wrong and you don't even have any arguments for being wrong, apparently.

Zindaras · Post Post #735 (isolation #105) » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:40 am

EBWOP: I need to know whether you're being just plain wrong or that you're defending your buddy.

Zindaras · Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:52 am

Blackberry wrote:Fritzler can kill for us.

He has claimed kills/killed two enemies.

*sighs*

For one, do you think there is any way in hell that Fritzler is going to kill for us? For two, if he's an SK, he

doesn't have to listen to us

. Because if he doesn't, we won't be able to lynch him tomorrow because we have to lynch from a specific scumgroup. For three, he's a Criminal, and the Criminals are, from the two scumgroups (Satanic/Criminal), the one closest to winning, assuming that they started off with the same numbers.

I believe that STD was a viglante/hinted at vig and Fritzler's claim clarifies that he was simular to STD.

What the hell? Where did you get that?

Also, explain to me how this all fits in the setup. Which kill is the Criminal's?

Zindaras · Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:15 am

Skruffs wrote:Zind : Why do we have to lynch from a *specific* scumgroup?
I think I'm reading that wrong, because I want to say that any scum-lynch is good scum lynch at this point in the game.
Personally I am all about killing the criminals myself.

Let's say Fritz is an SK, eh? Now, I'd put a 4-4 or 3-3 as scum division. We're at 9 players now. We go to night, Fritzler doesn't listen, we end up with, lessay, one dead Satanic and two dead town. (assuming that the crucifixion kill returns)

At that point, we have 6 living players. If there are two Criminals alive at that point, we're in lylo and thus we cannot afford lynching Fritzler.

Numbers are subject to change because we know absolutely shit about the size of the scumgroups and the amount of kills we'll have next night, but you get the point. Once we get to lylo, we can't lynch Fritz-SK.

Zindaras · Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:16 am

EBWOP: 10 players now, but we lynch, go down to 9.

Zindaras · Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:01 pm

Blackberry wrote:Would it be safe to assume that STD crucified?

No. No, it isn't. Because I don't see where you get this whole "StD had a kill" thing from.

Thus the Criminals Ash people / burn them.

The Ashes were claimed by cpe, our now dead Town Aligned Paladin.

Ash more likely seems Satanic now and Pentagon = Murderer/Criminal pretending to be witches??? lol *cries cuz im half-confused*

The pentagram is the symbol of the devil.

Pentagram can't be Criminal, because it was found on TSQ's dead body. Ash was claimed by cpe. Crucifixion isn't something a Criminal does (because the criminals are apparently also churchy, see TSQ's role). Shooting people is the standard way to kill someone as Criminal.

Zindaras · Post Post #748 (isolation #110) » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:44 pm

Blackberry wrote:Crucifixtion IS something a CHURCH does. We KNOW Church is related to Criminals. Thus Criminals = Crucifixtion.

Jesus, and a lot of other Christians, were crucified. The church doesn't crucify people. They

get

crucified.

Zindaras · Post Post #750 (isolation #111) » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:06 am

I was answering Skruffs' questions about having to lynch from a specific scumgroup by using a hypothetical situation wherein Fritzler was SK, to disprove the thought many people seem to have that even if Fritzler is an SK, we should leave him alive.

I do think that Fritzler is a Criminal.

Zindaras · Post Post #752 (isolation #112) » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:19 am

No, I know that. But would you expect Christians to crucify others?

Zindaras · Post Post #755 (isolation #113) » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:28 am

I've already told you this.

The ash kill has been claimed by creampuffeater, our dead Paladin.

Zindaras · Post Post #757 (isolation #114) » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:32 am

I'd still like to ask you where you got this whole "StD hints at vig" thing.

Zindaras · Post Post #760 (isolation #115) » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:36 am

I asked Fritzler who to vote because I have trouble reading him, so I do stuff like that.

Zindaras · Post Post #762 (isolation #116) » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:52 am

I felt that I had to answer it all the same. Also, the whole dahen thing's good, but that just means that he's not Satanic or Criminal. He could still be SK or Cult or something.

Zindaras · Post Post #765 (isolation #117) » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:42 am

I remember quoting this post before.

creampuffeater wrote:WAIT WAIT. Let me get rid of some confusion. When I use my cop, if they are scum to the church they turn into a pile of ash (STD). Thats where the kill came from. Right now, I doubt they are the same ashes, as I inspected Fritz N0, not primate

Zindaras · Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:07 am

Fritzler wrote:right, but when the ash kills are brought up all you say is CPE DID IT

HE DID

I SAW IT

I was unaware that it was even an issue, as the mod himself said:

al_kohaulec wrote:
Thok wrote:Since this important

Mod
is the ash in Primate's death and the ash in STD's death related (that is should we be connecting them/are they the same kill type/can you say anything)?
The two are not connected.

Zindaras · Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:38 am

I was under the impression that you should use the plural for ashes.

For example, you talk about your mother's ashes, not your mother's ash, right?

Zindaras · Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:43 pm

Fritzler wrote:
Zindaras wrote:I was under the impression that you should use the plural for ashes.

For example, you talk about your mother's ashes, not your mother's ash, right?
but in all those you talked about the ashes were from CPE, and not any other source

Because I was unaware people were also talking about Primate's death when discussing the ashes.

Zindaras · Post Post #779 (isolation #121) » Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:35 am

If he's scum, we're shooting ourselves in the foot. The scum doesn't have to kill Fritzler? Why should they, if they know that he'll get lynched if they don't?

Also, as I've already pointed out, why should he listen? We can't force him. Due to the setup of the game, we'll be forced to lynch specific scum tomorrow if he doesn't listen.

Zindaras · Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:25 pm

Why the hell is Fritzler only at one vote?

It's so obvious he's scum.

Zindaras · Post Post #787 (isolation #123) » Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:22 am

Look, TS, Thesp attempted to steal Fritzler's role last night, so I do believe you still have a vote.

Also, Blackberry, stop defending your scumbuddy Fritzler and

vote him, fer chrissake

.

TS may not have done anything for the town, but that's all you have on him.

Zindaras · Post Post #789 (isolation #124) » Fri Feb 23, 2007 7:15 am

*shrugs*

Maybe. Maybe not. But, dude, whatever, I honestly think you're scum/the best lynch for today.

Zindaras · Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:07 pm

You do realize, of course, that if you'd vote Fritzlerscum, he'd actually have more votes, eh?

Zindaras · Post Post #798 (isolation #126) » Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:06 am

*bashes head on wall*

Skruffs, spectrumvoid, I want you two to rebuttal my argument against Fritzler or vote him.

Zindaras · Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:16 am

Fritzler wrote:thump and i already did

stop voitng pro-town people

thx

Where?

Skruffs wrote:As far as I know, Thesp doesn't steal abilities - OR, if she does, she really did steal teh ability to shoot people (which seems weird) and has been vigging for Fritzler ever since. I dunno. Maybe she stole an ability from someone else n1 and is really in league with fritzler. An thief adn a corrupt politician? Could be both criminals.
Zind I have no defense for Fritzler, I have no clue. However, him being targetted by so many people, being a claimed vig, and having both protection from investigations, gettnig a chance to investigate others (in exchange for beign damned) not having a vote/ability stolen, etc.. It just seems like there might be mroe here that eneds to be said and explained before he gets knocked off.

OMG PIRATE!

If he's a Criminal, He's not damned. The reason why his kill wasn't stolen was because the Mafia kill obviously can not be stolen.

Skruffs wrote:The reason I'm voting blackberry is because he has been defending and deferring to fritzler since he came back. >.>

If you think that Blackberry is scum for those reasons, then you should vote Fritzler and only vote Blackberry if Fritzler actually turns out to be scum.

FoS: Skruffs

If the town insists on not lynching Fritzler, then you should be the lynch.

Zindaras · Post Post #811 (isolation #128) » Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:44 pm

Threatened? I don't think I threatened him. I simply stated my opinion that his vote on Blackberry was one huge logical fallacy.

Zindaras · Post Post #815 (isolation #129) » Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:53 am

Whatever.

You are

so

going to regret this.

Unvote, Vote: Skruffs

. In PK games, you usually don't need majority at deadline, but let's not take risks.

Hey Fritz, mind killing Scope or Klebian tonight? Cursed lurkers.

I'm amused by everyone going "But we can control Fritzler's kill!" and then completely ignoring Fritzler's kill for the rest of the day.

Zindaras · Post Post #821 (isolation #130) » Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:50 am

Voidybuns, take a look at Mostly Mute Mime Mafia, it's Mini 363. Pro-town vote stealer.

Zindaras · Post Post #825 (isolation #131) » Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:54 am

Fritzler's guns were never stolen.

Zindaras · Post Post #828 (isolation #132) » Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:34 am

I seriously doubt anyone's going to replace in, but meh.

Who're you planning to kill, Fritzy? If it's me, I obviously need to claim/say goodbye to my loved ones.

Zindaras · Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:34 am

This game has brought me much sadness.

Much, much sadness.

Zindaras · Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:03 am

You wouldn't believe the anger, the frustration, that has come to me through this game. I had an absolute full-proof case on Fritzler (though the case was based on a faulty assumption, I'll admit that). There were no counterarguments. My damned scumbuddy was being asinine about it, just randomly shouting "Fritz can't be scum!" I was trying to catch scum more than the actual town was.

The way I died was simply unfair. Really, really unfair. I had the perfect claim, perfect everything. But you can't defend yourself while you're asleep.

And then I was forced to watch as everything went down the drain. BB practically got himself lynched with his no-claim-crap. God, he had an apparent town investigation from an apparent investigative role. He should really get a prize for managing to get lynched even with that.

And the Wizard role, sheesh. I was sure someone would catch on to the fact that a self-proclaimed Pirate just came up as Murderer, the same role as our little Reverend had. I was sure someone would notice that he should've come up as a Criminal Aligned Pirate (which was, to be honest, also what SV should've changed him into, and he really shouldn't have died, in my opinion). I gazed in horror as we got even better changes, like RoleChanger or AlignmentChanger, capitalization and all. I can't believe nobody actually took a look and noticed that such roles would be somewhat unnatural considering roles like Blackleg, Paladin, Coroner and Statistics Keeper. That really could've used a little more fantasy.

Imagine having my role and seeing your boss, the guy who you're tied to, self-voting Day One. Ghastly. Absolutely ghastly.

Gah. I'm off to get holes drilled in my head so all the fumes can get out.

Zindaras · Wed May 02, 2007 7:59 am

al_kohaulec wrote:The death millers in this game, believe it or not, were sub par compared to Pariah's other game. Essentially anybody voted by a particular player would show up as the opposite alignment in death, (I'm sure many of you have already heard) and not even that player was aware of this effect.

That was my game! Pariah only co-modded and co-designed it. I was the one who came up with that particular role. >.>

Also, it is common for Pariah to throw in one role that doesn't fit the game at all, such as Richard Nixon in this game.

I knew that, but I also knew that noone knew I knew that, so I could use it against Fritz.