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He won't cuz he'll give an excuse about being page 3. Corn has a weird way of playing, but I'm definitely not convinced he is scum. Oh and sorry for the cussing but there are 12 people in this game and only about 3 were posting, along with it being about a post/day if not less there for a while. That's kinda unacceptable. I don't want to still be on day 1 a couple months from now.-
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I don't see how you think White thinks Corn is town from that post - he's saying give Corn some time to make more mistakes and out his scum buddies. This seemed very obvious to me, so the fact that you are using an argument full of holes to take pressure off of Corn makes me think you and him are scum.
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Hmmm... rereading the thread has brought Corn and killerbob(replaced Green Day) to the front of my suspicious list. killerbob's refusal to put Corn at -1 (and then -2 after he realized his mistake of the unvote, if it was a mistake) in a game with 3 mafia which means that -3 is technically dangerous (though no smart mafia is gonna jump to a quick hammer D1) makes me think distancing between mafia members, just like the
2nd post of the game. Still not sure who the 3rd partner is though.Cornelius wrote:Green Day is mafia.
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no, you should have put him at -2 (wouldn't have been -1). Mafia aren't going to quick lynch from -2 on D1, that would be stupid and we would have 2 lynches the next 2 days with 3 nights to get investigations going for other mafia (not including night 0 which already had an investigation). The mafia would have little to no chance of winning in that situation. Hence, you are protecting Corn - distancing yet protecting at the same time.-
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Corn did that this game - and he is gonna be lynched as soon as White hammers, or anyone else that isn't already voting for him. So if he does end up getting lynched and being scum as we suspect, I would say my top choices for scum buddies would be killerbob and d3sisted. d3sisted's last post seems like distancing without actually pointing a finger at Corn (and killerbob I have explained before). Just putting it out there while its still day.-
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Ok, so last game I played I was scum with White. He acted EXACTLY the same as he is now, which made me suspicious of him. I then went and searched out his other games and it seems he acts this way when scum and not as townie. Specifically, I have seen the giving an ultimatum before rather than hammering in the hopes that someone else will hammer to take suspicion off of him.
FOS: White
Since we need 6 votes to lynch and there is only 7 townies left... that means we basically need 6 of 7 townies to vote on a scum, since I doubt any scum will vote for their scumbuddies, unless they are going to sacrifice one, but we would have to have a bandwagon on one to get them to do that anyway. We NEED to make sure we have the right guy this time.
Neraren is up on my scum list too since he is really lurking. My other suspicions lie on desisted mostly, followed by Max and skitzer. Zeppo seems a little suspicious but less than the others. Mr Mean seems on the fence leaning toward town for me. Boing and killerbob seem town to me (so far).-
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You've got to be kidding me!! Read my post again - I am saying DON'T bandwagon as you just did because we need to be SURE (ie not just take other people's opinions about someone and say "Yeah sure that sounds good I will vote for that guy") that they are scum. Let me repeat this incase any other people somehow misunderstood me. DO NOT BANDWAGON. There are 3 scum left and only 7 townies. 6 votes to lynch. Therefore, if you start a bandwagon then the mafia can finish it with only 3 votes from actual townies. Make sure to make your own decision. Again, DO NOT BANDWAGON. It is true we need 6 of 7 townies to vote for scum, but if we start a bandwagon on someone random it is a 70 % chance it is a townie. The fact that you just went with a bandwagon on me from Mean's no explanation vote (YOU STILL NEED TO EXPLAIN MR MEAN) makes me think you and mean are scum. Additionally, be careful with your votes until you are sure that person is scum, as half the votes needed to lynch can come from scum. Use FOS's.skitzer wrote:
Are you pushing for a bandwagon? That's not very good-looking. We should sniff em out before we immediately go bandwagoning.competentpsycho wrote:Since we need 6 votes to lynch and there is only 7 townies left... that means we basically need 6 of 7 townies to vote on a scum, since I doubt any scum will vote for their scumbuddies, unless they are going to sacrifice one, but we would have to have a bandwagon on one to get them to do that anyway. We NEED to make sure we have the right guy this time.
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1) Do not bandwagon
2) Use FOS's
3) Mr. Mean explain your vote (and skitzer if you have any reasons but your misinterpretation of my last post)
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Ok rereading page 8 I get major scum alarms going off. Mr. Mean - I doubt you don't know that lurking is bad - don't give me the "I am a n00b" excuse because you joined before me, and that has to be one of the first things you learn. Big time FOS here. Also - no explanation (as of yet) to your vote that seems to be bandwagonning with skitz.
Skitz I stated before why I think he is scum.
Max's breadcrumbs things made no sense to me until I tried looking at it from the point of view that he is scum. If he was scum then this post would be protecting skitz by aluding that he has a power role. Therefore that he was town. In addition he makes the statement that he is suspicious of skitz, thus trying to distance himself from skitz, but not voting so as to not endanger skitz. If he were town this makes no sense as I do not see how skitz's comment before that is breadcrumbing at all. Maybe I am missing something here (in that case please spell it out for me) but I am pretty sure these are our 3 scum at this point.
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It is not OMGUS - I don't mind votes on me with valid reasons. Twisting my words around and then being a hypocrite and not giving a reason are different stories. The former is VERY scummy and the latter is completely useless to the town, and likely scummy. Combined with no vote in the middle these seem linked and therefore even scummier. If they did this to someone else I would feel the same way. I don't OMGUS after random voting stage - it just takes away from the search for scum by wasting a vote on someone that doesn't necessarily deserve it and is a problem for giving scum a chance to get a townie lynched. I am quite serious about this vote and statement as to who is scum.-
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This is the reason desisted seemed scummy to me earlier. His posts are extremely short and usually with little explanation. I am now thinking it is just his playstyle, though. I would still like to see explanations on anyone's suspicions, though so please expand on this.
People I want explanations from:
Mr Mean - vote on me
desisted - statement that Neraren is the lynch for today
skitz - agoodreason on vote for me
Max - your statement about skitz's post that I mentioned earlier
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Holy shit do you not read the posts at all. I guess this is just to try to save face since I pointed out that this could be a bandwagon on me because you are scum, which just supports my argument. You are just using the same argument skitz posted after your explaination-less vote on me, therefore bandwagonning yourself.
What I am actually saying is don't bandwagon. If I wanted to start a bandwagon I would have voted and stated a case against someone. I didn't. Even now, I am the only vote on skitz (no bandwagon there). My comment was tonotbandwagon because the only way we are going to get a scum lynch today is to get MOST (read 6/7) of the townies to vote for a scum. Therefore do NOT bandwagon since if you are just joining a mafia's vote you are fucking us over. My comment is to think carefully about everyone's arguments and make you're own decision as to who is scum. DO NOT just take everyone's argument as truth, because three of the 10 people alive are mafia and will be lying and be underhanded. To reiterate... BE CAREFUL, BE SUSPICIOUS OF EVERYONE, MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION-
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I can only assume you are talking about the bussing thing - so I didn't know a term. I am not voting someone here because I didn't read the entire thread, which is what I was saying. I really don't care if everyone read everything on the wiki, as experience playing seems the best way to learn. If I assumed wrong please tell me what you are talking about. Also, can you explain your case against Neraren finally?-
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This??!??! This is the only argument you are going to put forth and then conlcluding saying he is the lynch for the day. This comment shows that maybe he is busy, lurking townie (which is bad - if this is you stop NOW), or mafia, but this as conclusive evidence that he is mafia is completely ignorant, especially if we can make a better case on someone else. Therefore, which is what I was looking for, show me some more evidence than that if you have any. You were silent when white and I asked for explanation before, posting other things but not even commenting on that. This is very anti-town. My suspicion has returned to you yet again. Congrats.d3sisted wrote:Right now I'm quite suspicious of Neraren. He slipped by Day 1 without voting at all. Not only that, but he has failed to name any susicions. Looks to me like he's trying to keep an extremely low profile, and I'm not liking the looks of that.
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Max (just by association with skitz with the breadcrumb thing)
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This is anti-town.d3sisted wrote: I was silent before because your questions were already answered. You just failed to read the thread, and that's not my problem.
I didn't say they would quick lynch - I was saying they could start a bandwagon and lead us toward lynching a townie. Mafia could do this, with a suspicious looking townie.d3sisted wrote:I also find it funny how you say you can make a better case on someone else, when the entirety of your case on skitzer is based on theory and inapplicable to the reality of the game, as I will proceed to explain. Just keep in mind that because this deals with scum and such, it is entirely wifom and I am aware of that.
NEVER will all members of a scum team so blatantly pile on for the quicklynch. In theory they could do that, but in reality it just doesn't happen. Scum are not stupid, they play smart.competentpsycho wrote: There are 3 scum left and only 7 townies. 6 votes to lynch. Therefore, if you start a bandwagon then the mafia can finish it with only 3 votes from actual townies.
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Percentages rarely apply in these situations.competentpsycho wrote:Make sure to make your own decision. Again, DO NOT BANDWAGON. It is true we need 6 of 7 townies to vote for scum, but if we start a bandwagon onsomeone randomit is a 70 % chance it is a townie.The only time it does is when the target was picked by random.When you factor in the presence of alliances, external influences, informed judgements, etc, it could range from something like 20% - 99%.
True. But the reason they used on me was they said I was saying to bandwagon, and concluded with what my point actually was, NOT to bandwagon. Then they bandwagonned me for this. This does seem scummy.d3sisted wrote:
Bandwagons do not mean scum team.competentpsycho wrote:The fact that you just went with a bandwagon on me from Mean's no explanation vote (YOU STILL NEED TO EXPLAIN MR MEAN) makes me think you and mean are scum.
I said be careful with your votes, not to not use them.d3sisted wrote:
Negative. Votes apply pressure. FoS's do not.competentpsycho wrote:Additionally, be careful with your votes until you are sure that person is scum, as half the votes needed to lynch can come from scum. Use FOS's.
Read the fucking thread. Max made a comment about skitz breadcrumbing (which I do not see skitz doing) - that is what I was talking about. I do not understand how what skitz did was breadcrumbing, which means there must be a reason Max did this other than that. This does not benefit town in any way so... Here I am not sure so if anyone has an explanation of to how skitz was breadcrumbing that would be most appreciatedd3sisted wrote:
Sorry, but I'm not seeing it. Can you please point out how Max is breadcrumbing?competentpsycho wrote:Max's breadcrumbs things made no sense to me until I tried looking at it from the point of view that he is scum. If he was scum then this post would be protecting skitz by aluding that he has a power role. Therefore that he was town.
As I said before - I just said be careful with your vote, not to not vote.d3sisted wrote:
Just a post ago, you were telling people not to vote and use FoS instead. This is the epitome of hypocrisy, and it tempts me tocompetentpsycho wrote:In addition he makes the statement that he is suspicious of skitz, thus trying to distance himself from skitz, but not voting so as to not endanger skitz.FoSyou.
I am very sure on skitz and Mean. Max is debatable at the moment. Then you go and do shit that I find anti-town. What am I supposed to do?d3sisted wrote:
So rather than attack the 3 that you are pretty sure are our 3 scum, you choose to attack me. Hum.competentpsycho wrote: Maybe I am missing something here (in that case please spell it out for me) but I am pretty sure these are our 3 scum at this point.-
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No, I wasn't trying to bandwagon on white - I was trying to get other people's opinions on him as he is hard to read and at the same time maybe get a reaction out of him. He doesn't seem as scummy today, maybe it is just his playstyle, but no one else has real suspicions about him. I have concluded that my efforts are better spent scumhunting elsewhere.Zeppo wrote: See, to me this does sound like you're encouraging bandwagoning. By FoS'ing White but not voting for him you could be trying to start a bandwagon on White without looking too suspicious by casting the first vote.
Notice that this post came before Max's one where he mentioned bread crumbing. What was it at this stage that made you suspicious of him? Because it seems to me like you might just be trying to push for a lynch on Max and using the bread crumbs post he made as an excuse.
In fact this whole paragraph is full of accusations without any justifications (against myself, against desisted, against Max, against skitzer and somewhat against Mr Mean). What had I done that you considered suspicious exactly?
The only accusation that was backed up was against Neraren because he was lurking. Boing and killerbob are lurking too but why do they seem town to you while Neranen ends up at the top of your list?
Asides from yourself there were 9 other players in the game at the point you made this post and you say are suspicious ofsevenother players (including Mr Mean). Seven out of nine! This really doesn't look right to me this looks very scummy.
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I only said Neraren was up on my scum list, not at the top - just from the lurking (at this point I had only little suspicions on people - mostly lurking). Desisted (who was at the top with white at that moment) seems like his actions were anti-town, and still are - possibly a playstyle but seems fishy. Everyone else was mostly for lurking and Max and skitzer just seemed fishy when I reread the thread at the start of day 2, along with the lurking. yours was for lurking so much, along with Mr Mean. Boing plays like a newbie but hasn't made any big mistakes that I have seen - just lurks. Same with killerbob. I would like to see them post more though.
And I didn't say that I thought those 7 were scum - I was just putting my opinions on everyone out there.
What the hell are you talking about - I did vote the person I am most sure of (skitz and if I could you). I never changed my vote to d3sisted or said that I was sure he is scum - I just said his actions seem anti-town at the moment. That was my reason for him questioning why I FOS'd him and pointed out his scummy actions. The thing I said earlier is that the scum would try to get a bandwagon going on a townie, and not to go along with bandwagons, then you come along and vote with no reason, skitz follows suit trying to say that I was saying TO bandwagon, then you come back with a "I agree - thats the reason I voted him" on top of that. You did exactly what I was expecting scum to do today. Thats why I am sure you and skitz are scum. From the looks of it you may be succeeding. Everyone else, if I do get lynched look back at what I have been saying - Mean and skitz are trying to bandwagon on a townie with bullshit for reasoning.Mr. Mean wrote:
Hmm,competentpsycho wrote:
I am very sure on skitz and Mean. Max is debatable at the moment. Then you go and do shit that I find anti-town. What am I supposed to do?d3sisted wrote:
So rather than attack the 3 that you are pretty sure are our 3 scum, you choose to attack me. Hum.competentpsycho wrote: Maybe I am missing something here (in that case please spell it out for me) but I am pretty sure these are our 3 scum at this point.MAYBE YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR ONE OF THE PEOPLE YOUR SO SURE OF!If you are pro- town, then vote for someone that would benifet the town! Instead of doing that, you vote for someone that is voting for you. Didn't you say it was important to vote for scum at this point? But instead of that you decide to linch scum next round for your own needs.
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Hmmm... that know who our 3 scum post was multipurpose and not true. I am very sure of skitz and Mr Mean. Max was a way to get people to talk. First it was to get max to talk about the breadcrumb comment since it made no sense to me and out of the 3 (my top 3) he seemed least suspicious. He's not out from under the microscope yet but I do not have enough to vote him for it, especially since desisted is being so anti-town. The second to try to get those who have been quiet to come out and call me on it, possibly providing defenses (though unlikely) for skitz and Mr Mean, just in case I am wrong. As of yet I have seen nothing defending them, only attacking me for pointing out what they have done.
Mr Mean seems to not read the posts very well and not provide his own reasoning for what he does. Very suspicious. I believe he is scum at this point and would be willing to vote him. Then he went and said 'Oh, sorry I misread what was fairly obvious' (I am paraphrasing of course - see his last post for what exactly he said). This seems like a shitty attempt at recovering from a bad mistake of completely making shit up to get more people to bandwagon me. It is possible he was mistaken, but with the other things he has done today, it adds up to scum. At the very least these are actions that in no way benefit town, as we need to pay attention to everything to catch the scum. On the other hand a mafia member has to use deception, trying to turn the town on the good guys. I did this last game with white, leading the town around by its nose against Albert (Newbie 463 - link in earlier post). Mafia will use arguments full of holes.
skitz already has my vote for turning what I said around to be completely opposite and then being blatantly hypocritical about his argument (which was my statement turned around on me) by bandwagonning me.
My suspicions (only suspicions) for the partner at this point are desisted and max for reasons I have stated before, and neraren for lurking and not defending himself (this could be cleared up though when he posts). I am also not ruling out the possibility that the others who post very little are scum, just don't have much evidence - you guys need to voice your opinions. White so far seems somewhat unreadable, but for now I am thinking a townie.
Desisted - I am not saying your judgement is clouded, just that you seem very anti-town from your actions. Could be your playstyle is just to be an asshole to people. You seem hard to read because of this. Either way your actions do not benefit the town when you act like this.-
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Hmmm, well I'm not really looking at desisted as scum - just anti-town as I have said a million times before because of his actions today, not D1 (just seemed connected to Corn then) - which could be scum, but may also be a playstyle. Mean on the other hand I was on the fence on because he wasn't participating much. Now that hes talking, he seems scum. This seems like the classic reason scum would lurk - to not make mistakes like Mean seems to have (assuming I am right and he is scum).-
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skitz, zeppo, neraren, max - Say something - you are not participating much at all - one post every now and then just tells us that you didn't die IRL. Please contribute more as lurking like this is anti-town since you are not helping. Boing, and Mean - you are close to this category as you were lurking earlier - stay in participation.-
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Ok, so I looked up some previous games of d3sisted's. Found a game thats over (newbie 443) where d3sisted was not nearly as much of an ass and was town. Though he still did shit to hurt the town (fake claiming cop as a townie). Furthermore, I reread all of Mean and skitz's posts and Mean and skitz don't really say anything about his blantant anti-town asshole attitude, or vote him. Skitz says one thing about him early on with what seems like a strange tone and giving him a FOS. This doesn't necessarilly mean anything as they both lurked like crazy D1 and said very little. Why the change from lurking though - maybe a more experienced scum partner told them to stop? Don't know. I don't like this as it seems like a possible connection with d3sisted. I will reread all of d3sisted's posts soon and state what I find. Again - this is based on the assumption that I am right about skitz and Mean, so if anyone has input supporting their innocence speak before I make more of an idiot of myself.-
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Thinking about this again - d3sisted is very unreadable and I cannot base a connection on the fact that the two lurkers didn't implicate him, as they really have only implicated me the whole game other than one jumping on the Corn BW. I am still going to re-read his posts later to try to get a read on him though.-
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Wow, over-reaction? I included your name in a list of people I said I wanted to talk more. The every now and then wasn't really pointed at you, but I would like to see you talk more. I am not saying that these people must be scum since they are lurking - that could fuck us over as this isn't always the case. Rather I would just like to hear your guys' opinions/thoughts on who could be scum.Zeppo wrote:
Day 2 started just before middnight on the 10th of this month. Since then I have postedcompetentpsycho wrote:skitz,zeppo, neraren, max - Say something - you are not participating much at all - one post every now and then just tells us that you didn't die IRL. Please contribute more as lurking like this is anti-town since you are not helping. Boing, and Mean - you are close to this category as you were lurking earlier - stay in participation.
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"One post every now and then"? I'm posting on average more than once a day and seriously could not participate in this game any more than I am, I have uni to study for, a girlfriend and a fencing team to captain. Frankly, I think you already guessed I am doing as much as I can and thought this would discredit me to the other players. Starting a smear campaign based not at all on my game play is the final straw for me. I had suspicions before but now you just stink of rattled scum. If you genuinely wanted to hear from me you would have said what it was you wanted me to tell you not just told me to post more.
You are being very defensive given the circumstances. It seems like you think I am attacking you since you voted me. This isn't the case, and I said I would like to hear from6people more. If I thought you were for sure scum I would single you out and say so. Since you still have a vote on me, though, and I don't think you are necessarilly scum at this point, do you still think I am trying to bandwagon someone? If so, why - was my clarification after your vote last time confusing, not convincing, etc.?-
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Ok PBPA of d3sisted done. He doesn't seem to have been such an anti-town asshole D1 as he is today, but since he didn't act like the asshole D1 or the other game I looked at I can only assume it is not a playstyle. Don't know what the hell is going on there. In addition, nothing conclusive jumps out at me as nailing him as scum. Something else is going on here, maybe he is just getting tired of the game not going anywhere. At this point I don't have enough evidence to suggest that he is scum.-
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So, you finally see it too, eh.
Hmmm... d3sisted, I am wondering if you are right about Neraren and skitz is trying to protect Neraren from his (and Mean's) mistakes.
Neraren speak up. You said your last midterm was already due (yesterday) - why are you lurking so much, what is your opinion on everyone so far, do you like long walks on the beach, etc... (the last one was a joke - I only really care about the others).-
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We aren't going to lynch because you don't do what we say - we will lynch for being scummy/anti-town and doing what we would expect scum to do, not townies. Make up your own decision, don't trust anybody, and don't just bandwagon someone (especially on shitty reasoning). This is what I was saying in the post that you tried to get me lynched from, and the reason I said it was that trying to get a bandwagon going/joining it with shitty reasons is EXACTLY what I expected scum to do today (It is what I would do if I were scum). Basically think carefully and vote only when you are fairly certain that person is scum, or at least being very anti-town. If you vote on a big misinterpretation like you did it looks VERY scummy. I am pretty sure you are scum in this game and you fucked yourself with that. But you can learn from your mistakes for future games.-
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What does everyone think of this:
I especially don't agree on Mr. Mean's analysis.skitzer wrote:Mr. Mean- first posts are short and mainly votes, but begins to explain more as game progresses. A bunch of it is good points, most likely Pro-town.
Neraren- explains a lot. Nothing about Neraren stands out, which is maybe a slght case of pseudolurking…not suspicious.-
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d3sisted, you could be right about Neraren and skitz is trying to protect his scum buddies here. On the other hand, he knows we are on to him and Mean, so he could be saying that to throw us off of his last scum partner. I suppose cop investigations could show who the third one is by the time we reach that, but it looks like we have two scum lynches lined up before that.-
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I'd have to agree on the overeager analysis of d3sisted's post, but at this point he could just be tired of the game dragging on. This line of good participation by all just started after him. I think he may have just been using it as a tool to put pressure on Neraren/mean and to get people talking. On the other hand, I am going to keep my eye on him as I have been.-
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Voting without listing reasons, lurking, just agreeing with others and not really making much of an opinion of your own, trying to get a bandwagon going early D2, then doing a 180 when we call you out on shit. And d3sisted already listed phishing for roles. These are all somewhat scum tells by themselves, but you seem to have performed all of them. Now either you are trying to get yourself lynched (no jester in this game though so that'd be retarded) or you are very scummy. Hence my claiming you and skitz are scum. Neraren may be the third partner, I am not sure yet. Could be anyone at this point.Mr. Mean wrote:I would like someone to make a list of my scumy actions so I can debunk them.-
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Like I said, each of these is only somewhat a scum tell, nothing conclusive by themselves. The only difference I seen in you here is that other people share opinions but no one else has made an action and waited until someone else supplied a reason for that action to agree with it. You may have just been screwed by skitz doing the same thing for the same reason, but I doubt it considering both of your logic was flawed.Mr. Mean wrote: O.K., when I didn't give a reason for a vote I quickly suplied one, I only lurked for a little bit, and I belive that you share opinions with other people too.-
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What are you basing this off of. If it is a previous game you played, link it here. Otherwise, considering your join date I don't think you have enough general experience to draw this conclusion. Also, I don't personally think scum would have pointed more fingers. Can we get some more explanation on this statement please?Neraren wrote:I think Skitzer is probably town, because his quick analysis would have probably pointed a few more fingers if it was scum. See killerbob's analysis on page 11 as an example.-
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I guess I should have said judging by. Sorry, I wasn't meaning to be derogatory, since as d3sisted pointed out I am a n00b at this. I was just prodding for explanation, which yours seems good enough except that scum isn't really limited to a certain behavior and they will usually avoid behavior that "only scum would do". But then they would avoid doing that, and so on.... vicious vicious circle is confusing as hell.Neraren wrote:
Just because I'm new here doesn't mean Im new to the game. I don't appreciate being completely dismissed with what is basically "STFU Noob". You're welcome to disagree with me, but that sort of thing is uncalled for.competentpsycho wrote:Otherwise, considering your join date I don't think you have enough general experience to draw this conclusion.
That said, skitzer voted mostly through elimination. He was stating why he thought everyone else was town and/or had no read on them. I would think scum would me more of a "a few of you are suspicious, but XXX is the most scummy" seeing as they are eventually going to vote for all those people for a lynch assuming things go in their favor. I'm not saying Skitzer is completely off my suspicion list, just that he's not near the top.
Sticks and stones may break my bones bu... wait, broken bones - you asshole.Neraren wrote:so I'm okay with poking both of them with sticks until one of them cracks.-
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Wow skitz, when are you gonna learn, we're not getting mad at you. I actually like when you do shit like that because it shows more and more that my pick of you as scum is right. Didn't make us mad - made us think scum. And it wasn't the fact that you were voting on Neraren, it was that you had just tried to bandwagon me for shit reasons and then when we called you on it you went and voted for someone else (with little reason, which you still have little reason listed). It is almost like changing the subject of a conversation all of a sudden when people start thinking you're a creep... just sets off scum alarms to me is all. Anyways, the big think I want to hammer into your head is that you need to post reasons behind votes. We are well, WELL out of random voting stage so get your reasons in with your votes.-
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You could try - we are basing the fact that you are scum on your actions looking scummy so you go and vote without listing reasons. Then when asked for them you "can't put them in words". This falls in the category of "women's intuition", but by your little symbol you are a guy, so this definitely doesn't apply to you, and even if it did, hunches are not evidence enough for votes at this point. Remember when I said be careful with your votes? That means don't vote unless you have good reasons - hunches aren't good reasons. Therefore put it in words, or I see a d2 skitz lynch coming.-
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LOL skitz there is nothing to voting - vote and put why you think that person is scum. Not hard. You will get the hang of it. I don't care how you explain the vote as long as it seems reasonably true. Therefore if all you have is hunches use FOS instead. I think you could benefit from reading through a few games that are over to learn some stuff.-
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I guess just stick with it and gain experience by learning from your mistakes. I guess the most important suggestion I have would be when you are mafia (like now) think like a townie. I look at the posts and find the scummiest person in there and then if they are town I vote them and post my reasons. If not I go to the next person. If there are no really scummy town, I use FOS's with what little reasoning that I can find. I guess most important of all is do not choose who to try to get lynched when mafia - go with the flow of the town, while putting in your own unique input. Hmm, the reason I got into mafia is because of a friend of mine that plays on the SA forums. He's really good at it and explained the game to me pretty well before I even started. I guess I started at a slight advantage compared to most newbies because of that. Anyways just stick with it - everybody learns and improves, just some slower than others.
PS I still think you are scum so if this is some pathetic ploy at gaining a little bit of leeway it won't work.-
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Ok, looking at your profile, another possible reason for not being so good is that this game takes critical thinking - analyzing stuff closely for bullshit. I have been friends with my fair share of pathological liars, and this comes fairly easy to me. In addition, I have taken college courses on logic. This REALLY helps and considering you are only 15 you may be lacking in some RL experience that would help here. (mostly making well thought out, logical arguments - seems like you are starting at a fairly young age for this)-
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back on topic - after a quick reread, I think the scum trio is:
skitz
Mr Mean
Neraren
At this point I have heard and stated lots of arguments why these people are scum, but very little (actually none really) why they aren't. I would like to hear cases against any one else now (not these three). Even me if you got it but this game is getting kind of repetitive and slow at this point, so I want to read about the people that aren't in my scum list. I am very certain about these but if you have something that may change my mind, bring it forward. I amtalking about cop claim - you keep quiet, you are useless to us dead.NOT-
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@ Mr Mean - first you voted with no reason (on me). Then you just agreed with skitz's (admittedly wrong) reason as your reason for voting me. This set off some scum alarms in my head. Along with the evidence for skitz and Neraren, you three seemed to be defending each other as pro town for some obviously scummy actions. Seemed like a connection to me. So far to me you three seem like the scum. I am not trying to get a bandwagon on you, because I want a skitz lynch. I would probably vote on you if it came down to it, or Neraren, but right now I would like to pursue my biggest suspicion.
@ skitz - looks like you have your major mistakes that can be fixed and summed up easily listed there, and in order of importance none the less. Especially #1. Not reading stuff that has nothing to do with you is anti-town and when you don't know of that stuff it is a BIG scum tell. The only reason to only worry about posts pertaining to you is if you are mafia.
For what you don't have, flip-flopping on shit is bad. Don't be so movable in your convictions. If you vote for someone, a 1 or 2 sentence vote shouldn't be all it takes to sway your vote away, unless the vote was only to put pressure on that person to talk. Otherwise you shouldn't have voted for them in the first place. Also, overusing this "I am new/ I suck at this game" excuse is just that - an excuse, and a bad one at that. Don't do it anymore. People can tell by the way you play, bringing attention to it, unless it is your first game, is completely pointless. Finally, don't "do what people want". People may not like who you vote for but it is your vote, not theirs. Therefore don't unvote because they don't see why you did. Instead explain. Then they will explain why they don't think so or agree, at which time you can adjust your vote if you think they are right. Remember, there are always liars among us (if you are mafia you know who they are, but remember - they don't know that you know), so be wary of what people "want you to do".
PS - Saying your scum buddies seem pro-town and aren't suspicious when they obviously have been scummy is bad - if your idiot mafia brothers made a mistake that is definitely scummy, factor that into your analysis of everyone, don't completely write them off as town, but don't put them at the top of your list either unless they are sure to be lynched.
PSS - When I said make you own opinion and put forth your own unique reasons for votes, I didn't mean completely ignore everyone else's opinions. If you agree with them on something mention that but if you agree with everything, it looks a little fishy. If that something is completely obvious to everyone its not so bad but when its a stretch and you do it (like Mr Mean) it looks really bad.
Ok with skitz' tutoring session over, White is lurking again, which is unusual from what I have seen from him before. Last game I played he was mafia with me and very talkative, sort of like d1 here. Now he seems to have minimized his posts. Could be busy, but seems a little weird.FOS white.
Max, Zeppo, Neraren aren't talking much either, but they have been that way the whole game. The only person here I get big scum vibes from for this is Neraren since he said before that he was busy with school and that his tests are finished now, yet still posts only to defend himself. I have a noose with your name on it man. I also have a sharpie to rename it if you decide to start helping out here. Skitz's noose has his name woven into the rope, so there's almost no way of redeeming himself.
Boing and killerbob - where the hell are you? you guys are the textbook definition of LURKER right now.
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16 min later...competentpsycho wrote:The only person here I get big scum vibes from for this is Neraren since he said before that he was busy with school and that his tests are finished now, yet still posts only to defend himself.
Notice all the separate quotes from previous pages - this post took some time... probably about 16 minutes.Neraren wrote:Competentpsycho: I assume you are still going on Mr Mean/Skitzer because of way back on page 9:
You called them as a scumpair for the sole reason that they and only they were voting against you. You go on to wedge Max in there to complete the trifecta, but later backtrack and say it's just to get people talking. Being suspicious is one thing, but by page 10 you'd submitted no more evidence against them and said:competentpsycho wrote:The fact that you (skitz} just went with a bandwagon on me from Mean's no explanation vote (YOU STILL NEED TO EXPLAIN MR MEAN) makes me think you and mean are scum.
I really want to see you make a case here. Especially why you're putting me in a trio with them. You went out of your way to NOT make a case with:competentpsycho wrote:I am very sure of skitz and Mr Mean.
I haven't seen the case that you're referring to besides you personally saying "That's totally what scum would do." The biggest point used against me is not being around. Now that I'm here, do you have anything more damning?competentpsycho wrote:At this point I have heard and stated lots of arguments why these people are scum, but very little (actually none really) why they aren't.
And just for d3sisted, who wants me to make my opinions clearer: I think my top suspects might have switched to CP and killerbob, CP because of above and killer for my last post in addition to voting exactly like CP with what I believe is a weak case.
You are lurking - why? Oh and hence my reasoning and further suspicion. Give me a reason for the obvious lurking and little scumhunting and for little suspicions other than me and d3sisted for stating suspicion on you. Townies would defend themselves and instead you attack the person who suspects you. Scummy move. If Mr Mean or skitz wants a reason for my suspicions on them I can go back and make a comprehensive list, but I have already pretty much beat that dead horse and frankly don't have time right now so it'll have to wait.-
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@Neraren - I guess what I want is content posts without asking for them. You rarely post without either us asking or us saying you are scummy or suspicious. You are basically a lurker and linked to my skitz/Mean suspicion defending each other. I am not completely convinced on you yet. You don't have to be so defensive, I am not voting for you right now.
@Mean - So you voted on me with no reason and your argument was that I was being defensive? Saying that I am being defensive is no argument for you innocence Mr Mean. Thats just a way to try to sweep the issue under the rug. yet again a scummy move. Then for going along with skitz's flawed logic you say again that I was being defensive posting this. I am pointing out scummy actions, it may be defensive, but this is still protown and I would have done the same if you tried these no reason/shit reason arguments against someone else. The defending each other part was a connection based on Neraren and skitz. They both seem to ignore these scumtells that I have pointed out on you in their analysis, and considering my suspicion on them, it furthered my suspicion on you. You never outright defended them. But you did have a half assed attempt at getting rid of the connection here:Mr. Mean wrote: