Mini 546: House Mafia - Game Over

[curiouskarmadog]

if you want to win

join my team

we have super cool team name:

L-UNIT

hmmm, who is "we" and why do you already have a name?

I am with vollkan, I want no part of the L-Unit.

[curiouskarmadog]

and who is part of your team?

[curiouskarmadog]

non random vote: pooky

, I think it was a slip up

[curiouskarmadog]

well with that theory how does a team "win"?

[curiouskarmadog]

I am here, now that the site isnt taking me 10 minutes per post, I will get caught up over the weekend..

[curiouskarmadog]

ok caught up (actually I wasnt but a half a page behind)..

TG seems to have many problems with many things....

question, do you have a problem with pooky's "we"

do you have a problem with the votes that followed, o rdo you think it was mostly random voting?

[curiouskarmadog]

ok caught up (actually I wasnt but a half a page behind)..

TG seems to have many problems with many things....

question, do you have a problem with pooky's "we"

do you have a problem with the votes that followed, or do you think it was mostly random voting?

[curiouskarmadog]

wtf, the site is still screwed up....sorry for the now triple post.

what is the deal and will it ever be fixed?

[curiouskarmadog]

Could you explain your issue with it? Or is it one of those nitty little feelings you get in the bottom of your gut?

yeah..it is gut...I didnt like the use of "we" and there was nothing else to go on in the random stage....nothing has popped up yet that I deem scummier, so my vote stays.

[curiouskarmadog]

I understand Arm's, perspective and vote but....

Actually, Trust, I'm fairly sure non-commitment is the most scummy thing you can do.

However, my sick reads tell me you aren't scum. Neither is Ergo.

Unvote

Guess I'll do this

Vote curiouskarmadog

Smacking Pooky too hard for the wrong reasons. Could be double scum tell (makes valid arguement vs other scum that isn't enough to get him lynched, good set up for both), rather lynch him and find out.

I like those reason -- much better than my current ones.

unvote, vote:curiouskarmadog

ummm???

non random vote: pooky

, I think it was a slip up

qft

non random vote: pooky

doesnt that seem a little hypocritical to you? Now why would Adel jump on a bandwagon given that reason, when she did the same thing? I know Adel can think for herself....guess we have found something scummier than the "we"

unvote, vote Adel

[curiouskarmadog]

armix, your thoughts on Adel's vote and admitted BW?

[curiouskarmadog]

armix and Adel voting partnership noted.

[curiouskarmadog]

armix and Adel voting partnership noted.

it is all an illusion in your mind.

unvote, vote: shaft.ed[/b[

well I assume that was a vote for shafted..which is the third time you and arm have voted together...think it is too obvious though..ugh

unvote

so Adel, why the obvious chage in playstyle?

[curiouskarmadog]

let me try again

unvote

[curiouskarmadog]

vote armix

on an ongoing hunch.

[curiouskarmadog]

do you expect us to lynch him based on your hunch?

did I ask for your vote? a hunch is what it is..you decide for yourself, if I think I have a case, I will present it..but maybe I am just looking for what happens next.

[curiouskarmadog]

I think he is scum...on a hunch.

I want to lynch scum...so yes.

[curiouskarmadog]

I think he is scum...on a hunch.

I want to lynch scum...so yes.

So you want to lynch someone on a hunch, despite the fact that myself, shafted, and (depending on who you ask) Pooky are acting identifiably scummy?

What are you really asking me? ..actually, what are you trying to imply at this point in the game?

[curiouskarmadog]

I think he is scum...on a hunch.

I want to lynch scum...so yes.

So you want to lynch someone on a hunch, despite the fact that myself, shafted, and (depending on who you ask) Pooky are acting identifiably scummy?

What are you really asking me? ..actually, what are you trying to imply at this point in the game?

At this point in the game, I'm implying that I found your post scummy, because you are fully supportive ofa lynch that your only reasoning for is a hunch? I think?

so I am scummy because I INFORMED YOU that my vote was based on a hunch? or am I scummy because at the moment I HAVE NOT jumped on the current leaders (or BWs) of those "acting scummy"? well I think that is about to change.

Whatever, what's done is done, I basically accept that I'm going to be lynched, and I pretty much know why, so I've learned something, right? Not a total loss.

unvote, vote Jivemachine

why are you going to be lynch, I am curious about your insight here and what you have learned.

So now I am scummy because why??

[curiouskarmadog]

Pooky
Dean
Erg0
armlx
TrustGossip

HA, since we couldnt decide on who to lynch, 2 must be "fired" today...well my hunch on armix is getting stronger (especially with that last vote and reason)..most likely my vote will go (back) there..other than the "we" I havent decided about pooky...got nothing on the others.

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Adel I must admit I'm intrigued. I haven't seen you mention armlx outside of a mild back and forth with CKD.

mini 518 demonstrated how astute ckd cn be as town, and I figure that if he is scum than his hunch may just be a scum-distancing technique.

well it was pretty easy having "hunches" when you were the cop.

[curiouskarmadog]

Adel I must admit I'm intrigued. I haven't seen you mention armlx outside of a mild back and forth with CKD.

mini 518 demonstrated how astute ckd cn be as town, and I figure that if he is scum than his hunch may just be a scum-distancing technique.

well it was pretty easy having "hunches" when you were the cop.

Mini 518 is irrelevant.

I didnt say it was

[curiouskarmadog]

vote armix

[curiouskarmadog]

Faking the forgetting of a changed game mechanic is a little too high level of a gambit for me personally.

To Pooky: By nightless you mean the scum have no nightkill, correct? Also, I can see your reasonings for vollkan as I've also noticed a significant departure from his usual play, but I have many more issues with Jive and curious at the moment.

Speaking of which,

Vote: curiouskarmadog

I would like you to tell me how you play based on hunches, and also why you felt the need to put words in Jive's mouth before putting him at L-2 prior to the final diagnostic.

Same with armix. Why did you feel the need to put Jive at L-1?

please quote where I put words in anyone's mouth.

[curiouskarmadog]

so I am scummy because I INFORMED YOU that my vote was based on a hunch? or am I scummy because at the moment I HAVE NOT jumped on the current leaders (or BWs) of those "acting scummy"?

You state the previous not as questions to Jive, but not as any kind of provable statement on Jive's intentions. So what are they?

I think they are words that are put in other people's mouths.

Otherwise there's no real reason to say such things when the person in question is slowly dying down and losing interest and becomes admissive of his own fate and blah blah blah.

that is a stretch..he said I was scummy for voting on a hunch...I wanted to know why...both were in the form of a question, because I was wanted information from him which is how we form a request (in a question)...noting your bull shit here.

[curiouskarmadog]

so then by saying I put words in Jive's mouth was bull shit? And you already think I am scummy because you have your vote on me, so no reason imply that you think I am scummy....

Why am a scummy exactly? Because I voted on a hunch? How do you know I voted on a hunch, oh yeah, I told you. Scummy indeed.

[curiouskarmadog]

hey vollkan, does TG's bullshit change his % in your eyes?

[curiouskarmadog]

Your only vote of any merit was the one on Jive Machine, and that was only after three other people had already leveled good arguments and voted him already. You cannot escape inquisition by dismissing everything I say as bullshit.

<3

sorry for the triple post, but bull shit tends to piss me off.

another question TG, are you saying that my vote on Jive was a BW? So then what is(was) my vote on armix?

[curiouskarmadog]

pooky, every game I have been in with vollkan he does it...what does that mean?

I have been known to do it, but have not done it here yet..what does that mean?

[curiouskarmadog]

vollkan does the % thing every game...what does that tell you about his scumminess in this game?

I have been known to assign numbers (which I explain) when I do a PbP in game, but havent done so this game...what does that tell you about my scumminess?

the only thing that is different this time, is that vollkan is not doing the group, just the people he can vote for. In this regard, I agree with pooky, you should do one on your team as well. For pook's "team" has to vote as well (noted you said you would do it).

[curiouskarmadog]

So basically you are just making offhanded remarks here while skating by on the down-low.

I might consider lynching you but I haven't ever lynched Volky and he seems to be a lot more fun to tangle with because he responds in such wonderful prose when attacked.

ah, so you want to lynch someone who you claim posts more versus someone who as you say is skating by and not posting...so you are condemning we for not providing content, but at the same time want to lynch someone who is..I am confused.

[curiouskarmadog]

Instead of attacking my argument and OMGUSing my credibility, you could perhaps give your opinions on everyone else in the game? Does that seem unreasonable?

this is quite reasonable...hopefully will have time tomorrow to fill this request.

[curiouskarmadog]

well that was a waste.

[curiouskarmadog]

thanks for your time Claus

[curiouskarmadog]

if I wasnt so sure you were scum, I just might unvote after that.

[curiouskarmadog]

Just what makes you so sure? I'm actually 90% sure you have posted no more reason than your "hunch", unless I missed it.

you havent, this game is in line to do a PbP, however, there are two games in front of this one that I either promised a read (because I replaced in) or a reread..I will get to it when I can...

[curiouskarmadog]

armix, please explain how I over reacted. If you can do that, please explain why over reacting is scummy.

working on a PbP type post now...

[curiouskarmadog]

so then by saying I put words in Jive's mouth was bull shit? And you already think I am scummy because you have your vote on me, so no reason imply that you think I am scummy....

Why am a scummy exactly? Because I voted on a hunch? How do you know I voted on a hunch, oh yeah, I told you. Scummy indeed.

hey vollkan, does TG's bullshit change his % in your eyes?

sorry for the triple post, but bull shit tends to piss me off.

another question TG, are you saying that my vote on Jive was a BW? So then what is(was) my vote on armix?

Thats a combination of posts 298-300. Also at the tail end of your post before this it starts as well. And the fact it was a triple post implies the posts were extremely hasty, implying an extremely aggressive reaction.

Over reaction is scummy as it implies you have a lot more on the line with the lynch, which a scum would (especially in a nightless game, losing 1 of 2 or 3 members is a much bigger blow than losing one of 7 or 8). It also implies that you are being a lot more wary of single votes on you, which is scummy for the same reasons.

if I should be lynched today..DAY 2 CAN SOMEONE HOLD HIS ASS TO THE FIRE ABOUT THIS. over reacting = scum is crap. It is a stretch in logic to form a case that doesnt exist..."he tripled posted, so he must have more on the line because he is scum"....

you are an experienced player...you cant think of any other reasons people might "overreact"?

If I should hang, I am curious, what you are going to say day 2 when people look over your silly post and want to know if your opinion has changed?

My vote is solid here..anyone you is pushing for a lynch Day 1 using the "oh look, he is over reacting" bit is obviously scum.

when I get more time (for producing a PbP is timely) I will post one.

[curiouskarmadog]

I have been lynched so many times on silly scum driven accusations of overreacting it is not even funny. I play with my emotions to bare. If I find someone pushing a fact or a lynch base on bullshit (inf +1) I call them on it. I “over react” when I get angry. But what I did here was not an overreaction. Believe I can overreact and have done so in other games, but I haven’t here yet.

For every game you can find that scum “overreacted” I can find 3 where scum pushed a case based on an “overreaction”. I assume you have some point of reference where scum overreacted Day 1 and outed himself…care you share that completed game? Also, and this is an important question armix, have you ever as scum claimed that a townie was over reacting to help fuel, push, or start a wagon?

If for some reason I AM hung today, I look forward to reading your back pedal on this issue.

And to be straight, my vote on you has nothing to do with hunches now…

[curiouskarmadog]

I love how you ignore my questions.

have you ever as scum tried to push that a townie was overreacting to get them lynched? Why are you ignoring that question?

here is another one you are ignoring, is there a completed game where scum overreacted and outed himself that has lead you to believe in this "scum tend to overreact" theory. Why are you ignoring this question?

Please tell me how I am OMGUSing you?..I believe it is the other way around sir.

as for my case...your voting habits, YOUR omgus, your pushing of a completely crap theory (which you cant seem to back up), your avoidance of those questions, when I ask you those question you resort to insult ("you are playing quite bad"), and lastly...my hunch.

[curiouskarmadog]

now there is a game full of people here that are not posting..I would love to here some thoughts on armix and my "discussion".

oh god armix, a double post..I must be scum who is flipping out.

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sweet christ....HAVE YOU AS SCUM pushed the "overreacting bit" on a townie..please quit avoiding the question. Surely you can remeber if you ever done it.

if you can locate the game where you saw scum overreact I would greatly appreciate it...as it stands, you are pushing the overreacting thing, without proving that you have actually seen overreacting scum before. currently it is your theory....or people would call it your "hunch".

I changed my vote because you were pushing the overreacting bit with is completely crap (so far you have not proving that you ahve ever seen overracting scum). I saw this and called you on it. You say "OMGUS", I say I found scum.

"Double posting on its own isn't over reacting, however in that situation it clearly was. "

says you....

[curiouskarmadog]

I have been lynched so many times on silly scum driven accusations of overreacting it is not even funny.

Maybe it would help if you didn't play into their hands with your histrionics. In addition, said behavior hinders town because it's out of the ordinary and would detract from finding scum.

that is all you gathered from our conversation....try taking a stance...is overreacting scummy? was I overreacting? am I scummy?

[curiouskarmadog]

Messing up quotes tag demonstrates a frame of mind of someone who is too excited to reread and preview their post before posting to make sure that it is in the correct format. Much like someone who forgot to get all of their points into one (or even two posts) this is scummy. What are you so excited about TG?

Obviously I am joking here.

Today is the end of the month so I am busy typing reports. I will attempt (no promises) to do a PbP on “my” team today as it is pretty obvious who on “your” team I think is scum. I am actually to the point of not giving a shit if you guys hang me today or not. If you hang me because armix based his vote on a triple post and the usage of the term “bullshit” then you deserve what you get. Overreaction = scummy is ridiculous and if you did a meta on me, you would see that in most of my games I play with my heart on my sleeve because I have got nothing to hide. Armix keeps saying it his bad town play…so is it a good scum play then? Are you voting me because you think I am scum or because I “overreacted” which you label has a bad town play. I feel like this situation is great for the town at this point. It has spawned conversation and shows you really are pushing a vote based on absolutely nothing. Why? If I am playing badly as town by distracting from true scum hunting, why are you focusing on me and not truly scum hunting. You are already padding your defense tomorrow “well he was playing badly as town so we are really that much better off”. We are here to find and lynch scum armix, not people you label as “bad” townies.

[curiouskarmadog]

Have a moment so I will give some thoughts about my team.

TheJiveMachine, vollkan, Adel, and shafted.

TJM, not much content here. Mostly vote hopping and FoSes. When I mentioned a hunch, he was one of the first to jump on my case for not voting those acting “identifiably scummy”. Never really explained why he could be labeled scummy nor did he really address any questions or accusations thrown his way. His last post was stated he thought he had died and he needed to catch up…nothing yet. Reading his votes in isolation leads me to believe he is mostly likely scum and he knows that he screwed up.

Vollkan, I like vollkan. I have liked vollkan in every game that I have played with him. He is incredibly hard to read as scum because he provides good pro-town feedback and content, doesnt BW (that often), nor does he lurk. This game is no exception. That being said, I think he might be coming to my aid (defense) too much. Now he could be doing this because he sees armix’s weak ass case, because we are on the same “team”, or because he knows I am town and wants some town creds. On the fence about vollkan, but I find myself once again leaning town.

Adel, Ugh. The bizzaro vollkan. I find that she is hard to read because almost every game I have ever been with her she has drastically changed her playstyle and all the changes she looks scummy to me. This game is no exception. I didn’t like the link early on with armix where their voting habits changed together. Now I don’t think scum would act so openly coordinated, but who knows with Adel (side note: have you seen her dream bedroom?). Now that we have to voting one of the other team, she again pivots and changes up her style and is now voting armix. I don’t have clue what that means. On the fence about Adel, maybe leaning scum. Why no graph, Adel?

Shafted, good poster, good content. Appears to be scum hunting. Good vibes all around here.

Ok TG, your turn I know you have done a partial overview of everyone, but I am interested on what you think of your “team”.

[curiouskarmadog]

Post 2, the forgotten point: my hazy memory of ckd from a newbie game I modded has him being a little emotional at times. This goes back to the question of whether anger/overreaction is actually a scumtell, and in his case I'd say "not necessarily". Certainly not enough to use this tell reliably.

that was the embarassing game that I got so pissed I self hammer at lylo as a townie, because there was no way I could have convince the remaining newbie that the scum was indeed scum...that armix, is an overreaction and that IS a bad town play.

interesting note, that was the game I decided to start voting more on my gut in the beginning.

[curiouskarmadog]

Shafted, good poster, good content. Appears to be scum hunting. Good vibes all around here.

General question: how much does scum hunting count for if you don't agree with the reasoning and/or the conclusions?

I agree that shaft.ed has been actively poking, but there are a few posts where he's given cases that I've thought are somewhat weak (e.g. the one I mentioned above). Barring the blip where he got a little worked up over Pooky's pressure on him, I'm finding it a little difficult to get a handle on him right now.

Actively scum hunting does count a lot for me, if I agree with the drawn conclusion and if the actions reflex the conclusions drawn.

general question for you: how do you define scum hunting?

[curiouskarmadog]

I guess I'd define it as stating suspicion of and/or actively pursuing individuals who you appear to genuinely believe are scum. By my definition, it basically amounts to "not lurking and not obviously faking it", which is why it's a point in a player's favour but not solid proof of innocence.

nothing short of a confirmed claim is solid proof of innocence. I would also add asking relevant informed questions to the definition of scum hunting.

[curiouskarmadog]

oh 8 posts in a row..cant wait for an armix next post

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm fairly sure at least 1 scum was on my wagon. I'm gonna stick where my heart is, especially as I haven't seen any similar action from CKD in other games that I've looked at. Guess it's about time to push the chips in the pot.

As for Beep messing up game mechs, I'm fairly sure thats a true thing especially as he didn't get why Pooky didn't vote me (on same team and what not).

Vote CKD

which games did you look at? I am sure you have some sort of meta to back this up or are you pulling crap out of the air again?

[curiouskarmadog]

Vote CKD

also no comment on Beep's 8 posts in a row? Clearly he must be scum, right?

[curiouskarmadog]

lol, I dont really care how many times you post back to back, armix is the one who has the problem with it.

I also dont care that you hammered armix, I think he is scum too.

As for Adel, you know she was the other vote to lynch Armix, you think she was bussing him early?

[curiouskarmadog]

Im still here...and I have given you my thoughts on "my" team as asked..I still think for "our" team Jive (now beepbeep) is the best lynch.

[curiouskarmadog]

ha, knew armix was scum..too obvious.

[curiouskarmadog]

I nominate myself to be the leader...think I have a good hold on this game.

[curiouskarmadog]

Don't like the CKD Adel buddying continuation. Won't support either for leader.

shafted, you make it sound like I am supporting Adel, why is that?

[curiouskarmadog]

I nominate myself to be the leader...think I have a good hold on this game.

T_T

??? what does that stand for?

Unfos: Armix

Thank you. I also agree with your assessment of CKD. It was the first time in the game I've used my vote as a weapon in scumhunting and I believe I fished out a satisfactory result.

so are you still supporting armix's theory of overreaction is scummy...

I have been lynched so many times on silly scum driven accusations of overreacting it is not even funny.

Maybe it would help if you didn't play into their hands with your histrionics. In addition, said behavior hinders town because it's out of the ordinary and would detract from finding scum.

...because it didnt really hinder us lynching scum did it?

[curiouskarmadog]

if I cant be the leader...I would supported shafted as a leader (even though, he thinks that I have supported Adel in this game)...

[curiouskarmadog]

vollkan?

hmm

maybe you should update your percentages in light the lynches?

[curiouskarmadog]

curious.

I'm not about to do a 180 just because armix was unveiled as scum. His machinations against you could very well be an elaborate distancing attempt as the town began to sniff him out.

I have major problems with how eager you piped up to be the leader upon your "successful" lynch of armix.

Town doesn't get that heady and powerhungry. It seems more like you thought your bus was successful.

you didnt really answer the question...do you still think overreacting is scummy?

I guess so because now you want to push that town doesnt get power hungry.

TG, you are the king of sweeping generalizations...do you miss color in your black and white world?

[curiouskarmadog]

Also curious, why have you been asking that EXACT SAME QUESTION for over half the game?

I assume this is to me and you are not just being "curious". I want to see who continues to push crappy logic...that is why I felt that armix was scum, because it was just silly. Today you said you still feel I am scum given the same reasons...I am asking you (and you STILL HAVE FAILED TO ANSWER)...are you still sticking with overreacting is scummy? I am curious if given that was armix's main point against me that you agreed with, are you willingly to stand by his obviously stretched case agianst me given by scum?

Please answer third request.

actually, now I have a 2nd question, if you dont still agree with armix..I would like you hear a case against me. (again)

Pooky, you guys had to lynch someone..you had no choice, if you didnt, the Mod said it would be at random.

Have we decided on a leader yet? Obviously there is still too much suspicion on me.

Who has a problem with shafted being our leader?

[curiouskarmadog]

lets get this part over with...then we can get back to scum hunting. I assume majority will get this..so

Leader choices:

Shafted: CKD, Vollkan
Pooky: Ergo

who else?

[curiouskarmadog]

ack, I was counting your original post before adding in the other team (forgot you went back to do it)...so you choose TG or shafted then?

[curiouskarmadog]

vollkan, I AM curious though, what are your personal thoughts on:

over reacting is scummy (now)
and townies "dont get power hungry"?

[curiouskarmadog]

thanks vollkan

Leader choices:

Shafted: CKD, 1/2 Vollkan
Pooky: Ergo
Vollkan: TG
TG: 1/2 Vollkan

[curiouskarmadog]

I nominate myself to be the leader...think I have a good hold on this game.

This is my problem.

Especially in the relation that it's 3 minutes after Claus's announcement of our task for this session.

In addition I specifically requested that this kind of thing doesn't happen. Even though it took longer to write my post and thus I was not able to put these requests immediately after Claus's announcement, I still wanted people to give their opinions on everyone before we started this nomination process.

If you think this is domineering then I don't totally disagree, but there's a very special reason behind my request.

Don't bother now, the soup's spoiled.

Is that your only problem with me? AGAIN, you have avoided my questions.

[curiouskarmadog]

it is on the same page..cant miss them..post 530..PLEASE RESPOND.

[curiouskarmadog]

well, you said you wanted opinions of everyone before the leader was chosen..I think this answer could aid in that..do you not?

[curiouskarmadog]

then please (if you need to wait till a leader is chosen) I want you hear why you think I am scummy.

Shafted..thanks, but I think you should be the leader, currently there is too much suspcion (still?) around me and a leader needs to be someone that the majority will follow (or at least listen too)...

[curiouskarmadog]

if the leader "vote" is incorrect or you want to change please feel free to state such...also other's need to chime. IF you got a better idea (like a dice role)..you can vote for that I guess.

Leader choices:

Shafted: CKD, 1/2 Vollkan
Pooky: Ergo
Vollkan: TG
TG: 1/2 Vollkan
CKD: Shafted, 1/2 Adel
Adel: 1/2 Adel

Pooky, What was your alternative to lynch Beep? Someone on that team was going to die, no matter if you voted Beep or not. SO why was lynching Beep a bad idea (at that time).

[curiouskarmadog]

Pooky, What was your alternative to lynch Beep? Someone on that team was going to die, no matter if you voted Beep or not. SO why was lynching Beep a bad idea (at that time).

He's made it quite clear that vollkan was his prefered lynch for the day. Not sure how you missed that one.

you are right I did read that...just something about the statement has rubbed me wrong...maybe it was just the timing but that has already been asked too...retract the question.

I dont care what system we use...I just want to speed up the process.

[curiouskarmadog]

maybe I am just tired, but how does one person get to 9 with 8 people? can you vote the same person 3 times?

[curiouskarmadog]

do you mind tallying the votes?..sort of a pain.

[curiouskarmadog]

Thanks Claus.

2 CKD
1 shaft.ed

LOL, I was going to vote this way too

2 shafted
1 CKD

thanks claus..

Pooky you interesting in choosing a leader?

[curiouskarmadog]

ummm, why is pooky scum again?

[curiouskarmadog]

I thought if anyone was linked to armix it was Adel (in voting patterns anyway).

Adel why shafted, I understand TG.

Ergo, your thoughts on scum?

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if you are town, and you win if we lynch scum..why are you ok with people voting you?

and I have a feeling if we lynch incorrectly it is my ass on the line, so I would like to do it correctly.

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Ergo, your thoughts on scum?

I've lost my train of thought a bit (hence my being a smartarse instead of contributing), reread is pending.

how long you want to soak that excuse?

[curiouskarmadog]

was that an answer?..if I did, what does that tell you about my alignment? When I realized I wasnt putting enough into the game, I did...now it is your turn. When shall we expect some input?

[curiouskarmadog]

fair enough...mostly "soak that excuse" implies I dont want to keep hearing the same...when my lack of posting was brought to my attention earlier I gave the game more attention...I hope you follow my lead.

[curiouskarmadog]

so there will be a change in %s now?

[curiouskarmadog]

OK I don't forsee myself as having much time today. But my suspicions are on TG and pooky at the moment. I'll probably have to wait til tommorow to get a case up.

for now

vote: Pooky

any reason that pooky gets your vote over TG?

[curiouskarmadog]

I am waiting till I hear from vollkan and thantos before voting...

speaking of which...same crap I gave Ergo..Thantos..when shall we be expecting a post from you?

[curiouskarmadog]

interesting break downs vollkan and ergo.

I am so tempted to vote TG right now just on the "case study" line alone..

I want to hear more reactions to the break downs and relationship comparsions.

mostly from shafted (for I was/am getting a townie vibe from him)

[curiouskarmadog]

Unfos: Armix

Thank you. I also agree with your assessment of CKD. It was the first time in the game I've used my vote as a weapon in scumhunting and I believe I fished out a satisfactory result.

This is post 354. Although some of the post is about ckd, the context is of you agreeing with armlx and withdrawing a prior FoS on him - hence, you're giving a favourable opinion on armlx in this post. Your case on ckd may be independent of this opinion, but you definitely are giving an opinion on him here.

I think it's only human to have some amount of trust on a person who agrees with your opinion. In retrospect, I was so focused on CDK that I didn't consider armix much. Then again, it wasn't exactly my imperative to do so, he was on my team after all and not a possible lynch candidate for myself. Perhaps you should dredge up my summary posts on the entire population instead of this passing comment that is only notable in hindsight. The post cited gives no evidence that I had insider knowledge of armix's alignment. Your crusade is maligned.

It's interesting how those being on the offensive on Day One are now the defenders of Day Two. Maybe I should try less hard next time.

what a ridiculous post on all accounts. I remember you pressuring me to review my team mates..it wasnt imperative that I do so, but I did. You see, the big difference between you and me, is I want to scum hunt. Wasnt I on the offense yesterday, oh thats right..I was just over reacting.

I am done here.."maybe you should try less hard next time"..please...how sad.

vote TG.

[curiouskarmadog]

I cant comment when I see you pile more on the crap pile?

Instead of throwing quick jabs, why dont you actually scum hunt or have you already started "trying less hard"?

[curiouskarmadog]

did I say that was my only reason?

[curiouskarmadog]

did I say that was my only reason?

Did you give any indication that it wasn't?

when do yo plan to read the thread?

[curiouskarmadog]

thanks claus

[curiouskarmadog]

Well then, dont ask stupid questions until you have.

[curiouskarmadog]

did I say that was my only reason?

Did you give any indication that it wasn't?

this was a stupid question. I asked have you been readind the thread, where I have been attacking you for your faulty reasoning all game. For you to say that was my only reaason for voting you was again..silly or yes, full of crap...but I guess that is like a warm blanket for you now.

[curiouskarmadog]

@ everyone: I also suppose antagonism towards CDK was also a major factor in my play yesterday.

there is a huge difference between being antagonizing and backing a contrived case (armix’s).

[curiouskarmadog]

choice submitted.

[curiouskarmadog]

got my result...there is no reason I shouldnt inform you guys since there is no NK.

Since I havent been able to get a read on him and he wasnt on the armix lynch when armix was clearly being scummy, I chose vollkan. He is a good doctor.

[curiouskarmadog]

the choice was really down to vollkan and Adel.

well, if I wasnt voting for TG, part of me wanted to vote for vollkan. I thought about picking one of the vote leaders (TG or Pooky), but I dont see a case against Pooky and I am still of the belief that TG is scum (so it would have been a wase of an investigation). I felt like vollkan's play as been really hard to read this game and the fact he is not voting is troubling. I hope there is no role like GF of the bad doctors, but I doubt it given the scum's win condition (just need one bad doctor in the final three).

for the others, Near and shafted getting a townie vibe. Adel is worrying me because a.) in the 2-3 games we have played together she has never agreed with me this much and b.) her completely different playstyle.

however, I can not imagine scum voting the way both armix and Adel did early in the game and I think Adel's might switch up her playstyle each game regardless of alignment.

[curiouskarmadog]

Adel, you understand all this "patting" is making me uncomfortable, and I am not sure where it is coming from.

TG, I was trying to find another scum, I already think i found one in you.

[curiouskarmadog]

well I think we need to decide what to do next...the conversation has grown stale.

[curiouskarmadog]

interesting theory, what happens if TG turns out scum? Did I bus both my partners from the beginning both days? Where does the scum paranoina stop? Given your theory, who do you think we should lynch? TG to test me? Me to test...what?..Vollkan..top test what? NOw that you have put it out there..what now? If my investigation was understandable, why are we having this conversation?

Again, I wasnt sure that vollkan was town. I felt that he has been playing differently this game than others I have been in with him. It is documented in the thread that I have felt that way before we knew the "twist" investigation. This vollkan investigatio has provided us much more information than you are giving it credit

[curiouskarmadog]

Near, I am confused...do you think TG is scum and I am bussing again (wasnt that your theory before, I could be wrong?) or that TG is town and I am just trying to get a townie lynched? Your hunch (and that is what it is because I have them frequently) is that my attack on armix was all a ruse?

I think you just think I am scum, and you was basing all theories around that. What are your thoughts on Adel then? She seems to be agreeing with most everything I say. From anyone else I would be flattered, but from Adel is just freaks me out..your thoughts?

Near, I notice you have a lot of theories but no votes (not even an FoS atm) ...seems like you are playing it safe..if you think I am scum, place a vote on me...ask me some questions, pick my brain...but this eluding is silly (and slightly scummy).

Near...please provide three reasons why you think I MIGHT be scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

to sum up my "attack" on Armix, didnt like his voting habits then he tried to push that I was scum because I over reacted and that in his book was a classic scum tactic....which is/was bullshit. because a.) it wasnt an over reaction and b.) doesnt give any indication of alignment.

but you really should be reading the game thoroughly before submitting ideas and theories. My attack on armix and reference to Adel are both quite obvious and is not hiding in this thread...

I might have decent insight if you actually inform yourself first.

that being said and even though I think that TG is scum....dont hammer until you have read the thread

[curiouskarmadog]

I might have decent insight if you actually inform yourself first.

supposed to read "

you

might have decent..."

[curiouskarmadog]

do your own work..it will make you stronger.

[curiouskarmadog]

that is if you are trying to find scum

[curiouskarmadog]

where is pooky? been 6 days since we have heard from him.

Mod Prod Pooky

[curiouskarmadog]

think he was just voting because I sparred him to...wasnt surprised at that or the unvote.

[curiouskarmadog]

such dramatics...that should be the lynch, any last words TG?

[curiouskarmadog]

why would you look suspicious if TG turns out to be scum?

wait what? you want to take your vote back?..why? What has changed in between voting and now?

[curiouskarmadog]

But what changed in between your vote and your regret?

[curiouskarmadog]

MF...

I really thought TG was scum, bet you he is reading this right now with a little smug look on his face...if you are, sorry, but your ass was still scummy. However, look at all the information gleamed from your death!

OK I havent had to time to really get into the meat and potatoes of the conversation between Near and Vollkan (behind on 4 of the 11 games I am in counting this one) but hopefully I will jump into it this weekend. I saw what we need to do for the FTA stage.

I suggest that whatever we do, CAN WE PLEASE DO IT FAST! Mafia have time to sit around and chat while we figure out what we are going to do. Lets quit all conversation about who was guilty for what post and vote (save that for later, because I have a ton of shit I want to say)....and focus solely on figuring out how to assign ages. I think this was already suggested, I think everyone should just post their estimated ages of other players (leaving yourself out of course)...those ages are gathered and then we take the averages. I think it will probably be a waste of time to guess what they are gong to be used for...most likely the it will either have something to do with teams (I really doubt) or the oldest and youngest get something…but I don’t really care.

I am a fan of the dice popcorn thing…in this case, I don’t think the dice is really needed in this case, but will agree on it to get the ball moving.

There are 7 people here.
1.) Erg0
2.) curiouskarmadog
3.) Near
4.) vollkan
5.) PookyTheMagicalBear
6.) Adel
7.) shaft.ed

I think we need to do this now, unless anyone wants to argue which would in turn gives mafia more time to chat and we will end up doing this anyway.

Who wants to role the dice?

[curiouskarmadog]

Oldest or Youngest...or the since we have 7 numbers, the guy in the middle gets something(this sounds more like it)....we could speculate all day. I think we could actually get some information out of this stage about players, but I dont think we should discuss it much more....seriously.

practicing using the dice.


<1>d<7>

damn, have never done this before.

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@CKD: If you didn't notice, Near already gave his numbers. And shaft.ed rolled the dice putting Pooky next.

oh, like I said, I need to catch up..I saw Near provide two sets of numbers....before Pooky goes, which set does he want?

[curiouskarmadog]

@CKD: If you didn't notice, Near already gave his numbers. And shaft.ed rolled the dice putting Pooky next.

oh, like I said, I need to catch up..I saw Near provide two sets of numbers....before Pooky goes, which set does he want?

ok, I see which one he wants to go with...but he needs to assign pooky a number and not leave it up to someone to fill in..

[curiouskarmadog]

testing.

Original Roll String: 1d7

1 7-Sided Dice: (4) = 4

[curiouskarmadog]

ignore that dice role...just trying to figure it out...didnt mean to hit submit.

sorry for the Quidruple (that even a word?)..oh, what armix and TG would say now.

[curiouskarmadog]

I advise you to take the FTAs instructions literally instead of acting in accordance to what you think the twist will be. This is in your own interest, trust me.

I think it is in our best interest just to get it done fast!

[curiouskarmadog]

1.) Erg0 50
2.) curiouskarmadog 45
3.) Near 10
4.) vollkan 60
5.) PookyTheMagicalBear 65
6.) shaft.ed 40

Adel, I dont think you can provide your own age...above post edited.

[curiouskarmadog]

16?...ouch, should I be insulted? I am probably the actual oldest guy in this game.

basing mine on actual thoughts.

Near 15
Pooky 18
Vollkan 23
Shafted 26
Adel 28
Ergo 30

ok have to work...can someone else do the averages at the end?

[curiouskarmadog]

my posting will be light for the next 48 hours or so..the man has got me down!

[curiouskarmadog]

come on, younger than Near?

[curiouskarmadog]

vollkan, we cant have the same ages at the end...but we can give the same ages at this point because it wont matter when we average them all together.

I dont think Pooky's numbers are averages.

I dont think we should use the ages we (adel and vollkan) provided for ourselves.

can someone run the numbers now..I seriously lack the time.

[curiouskarmadog]

OK quick list someone double check if you want:

Erg0: 34
CKD: 31
Near: 20
vollkan: 39
pooky: 36
shaft.ed: 33
Adel: 44

rounded

I believe you (and two people have ran the numbers) so in order of Oldest to Youngest.

Adel: 44
Vollkan: 39
Pooky: 36
Ergo: 34
Shafted: 33
CKD: 31
Near: 20

I submit this as the our "ages" !!!

[curiouskarmadog]

vote ergo

back to hunch voting.

[curiouskarmadog]

for the record..my vote is not random

[curiouskarmadog]

Day 1 has reminded me of the folly of attempting to use post-hammer reactions as scumtells. TG's sudden turnaround after the Beep! lynch looked bad to me, and he came up town.

I personally don't think you can compare the two. Near was upset about it BEFORE TG's alignment was even revealed. That's the difference.

this is true and it is scummy...and my vote might end up here..but right now..it is good where it is.

Also CKD and Erg0 going to give reasons, or just waiting for reactions from the rest of the staff?

I plan on it..just letting it ride for the moment though.

[curiouskarmadog]

Am I the only one that is starting to view this thread as some weird debate between Young Student Vollkan and Wise Tutor Vollkan? It's weird seeing one person mentor himself.

.

ha, agreed

[curiouskarmadog]

does that mean you dislike my hunch vote as well?

[curiouskarmadog]

mostly his posts on page 29 and his vote(and post) on the top of page 30. When I saw it the first time, I almost switched my vote then, but I really felt I had a scum with TG.

Ergo, what are your thoughts of Near's comments after he casted his vote but before TG's alignment was known?

[curiouskarmadog]

but adel is?

[curiouskarmadog]

what post did that?

[curiouskarmadog]

I am on the fence here, I think Near's action after the hammer was scummy, but something about his post (explaining it) ring geniune to me. I am not sure why Adel and Ergo are voting Shafted...he said he didnt like Near, so why is it a surprise...

I dont like Ergo's votes this game...something about them seem forced. I cant put my finger on it (which I know will drive vollkan mad), but something it not boding well with me...

Near, you unvoted because you wanted to hear from me, Pooky (doubtful) and vollkan, but you havent supplied any thoughts...

[curiouskarmadog]

shafted your thoughts on Near unvoting you because you were at -1?...was it a ploy to save his ass, or does he really want information in the next 48 hours?

[curiouskarmadog]

you didnt answer my question.

[curiouskarmadog]

Near, if shafted was up for lynching in 48 hours..would you act any differently than he?

[curiouskarmadog]

Pooky been pulling that in every game I am in with him. Adel has made me confused most of the game...this is a radical playstyle change for her. The only reason that she has stayed off my scumdar (lately) is because of her voting habits with armix earlier in the game. I cant imagine the Adelscum, would be that closely linked to armixscum that early in the game..of course, it could be a ploy, but I dont know.

I dont think that Near is scum...or maybe he is new scum...I would rather see a Ergo lynch than a Near lynch...but I would rather see a Near lynch than anyone else lynched (at this point).

the only person really in this game I trust is vollkan.

[curiouskarmadog]

I dont follow that last post at all.

[curiouskarmadog]

Mods anyway we can get a vote count?

[curiouskarmadog]

I dont think that Near is scum (in this game). I also think that ABR (or Rampy if you dont like ABR) is a crazy ass bastard, but I dont think he would pick sides.

Now, it takes 4 to vote..here is my personal scum order of suspicion.

Ergo
Pooky
shafted/Adel
Near
vollkan

I actually had trouble putting Pooky in that list for he is the captian of all things lurker in this game. We have 48 hours to decide who to lynch or Near is dead. I obviously would perfer to lynch anyone higher on that list than Near. We have two more "bad" doctors in this game...we are getting to the point that we will

have

to lynch correctly. I would rather us keep our lynch ability, versus having the mod do it for us (as is our current situation). I think everyone needs to ask themselves do you really think that Near is mafia..if not, who do you think it could be....because choosing not to vote or sharing your opinion is the same as voting Near..

thoughts?

[curiouskarmadog]

vollkan, something about the way he (ergo) joined the TG wagon stuck out to me, I havent had the time to dig it back up....sort of a hunch...will see if I can get it today since we are under a time limit.

no promises though..end of the months are busy times for me (sitting at home typing reports of investigations)

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well it is about 7:15....would like to hear thoughts, I dont think that Near is scum..but I am not certian about shafted, I would rather Pooky or Ergo go than shafted or Near..

thoughts? votes?

[curiouskarmadog]

shafted, have you reread Ergo yet?

[curiouskarmadog]

shafted I really think you need to vote Ergo

[curiouskarmadog]

shafted are you stalling?

[curiouskarmadog]

ergo feels that you should go, why dont you feel the same about him?

[curiouskarmadog]

I dont know at this point, I think Ergo is scum...

[curiouskarmadog]

that is 3..Near? shafted?

[curiouskarmadog]

well that you shouldnt have no problem in voting him..just in case..I think if we vote now it will still count..now quit stalling

[curiouskarmadog]

my fucking god..N was scum? shafted, I am sorry, I was so ready with the "I think Ergo and shafted are our last scum" when Near came up town....I too should have seen the "I feel bad for my vote before the alignment was shown" for what it was. I guess it was too obvious I didnt think it could have been a tell, even though it made me think at the time...damn.

so much for my scum finding ability..I am 2 for 1 here..think I need to rethink the hole game

ok, cleaning my house for guests at the moment..will come with names later...I deserve whatever demeaning names you come up with.

[curiouskarmadog]

Pooky: Dead Weight Fluff
Shafted: No Budge Jackson
Vollkan: Hamster Wheel Grease
Adel: Stephanie Steinbrenner
Ergo: Mr. Pink

never drink while cleaning.

[curiouskarmadog]

who you think is last scumbaggo btw volkz?

pooky provide some demeaning names for everyone so we can get out of the FTA stage.

[curiouskarmadog]

my list meets all of the rules....

I think we should take at least one name from everyone's list....OR we start with vollkan, he names one person (we have to use that name)...then that person names someone who doesnt have a name yet, so on and so on..

if we do that we should leave pooky last, because really, he is just useless.

[curiouskarmadog]

My only hesitation is some power to the person who named the most people. I know, paranoid, but still…If we all pick one person to name, it is all even…

[curiouskarmadog]

I am fine with it..anyone have any objections?

[curiouskarmadog]

need to do a solid reread, I was really wrong about my final read on Near.

Adel, what is your read on shafted? If it wasnt for shafted, Near would not have been hung.

also Mod, are you going to be telling us what these dice roles mean at the end of the game?

[curiouskarmadog]

anyone else notice Ergo's increase in posting...Ergo, are you trying out your page theory to hurry toward the twist?

I still havent reread..hopefully I will get to it in the next day or two, I really just want to reread Near...if he was so obvious after the TG lynch, what else was he obvious about?

[curiouskarmadog]

(confused)...I guess the twist is coming.

[curiouskarmadog]

take us down the rabbit hole Dr. House.

[curiouskarmadog]

so what happens when we get to page 45...got I got this feeling the Ramp and Ergo are trying to get us there..

I wonder why I am getting that feeling...tell me that I am not crazy here.

[curiouskarmadog]

cross posts like a bitch....

[curiouskarmadog]

guess what sticks out is your timing when you decided to take strong positions and WHO you took strong positions on.

[curiouskarmadog]

so the poem bit is open for everyone?..does it have to be about you?

[curiouskarmadog]

wow, I have a day kill, too..so I can only assume that shafted does to...so much power..

I dont think we should use them and lynch in our normal way...I am sure it has been said again, but reminder...if a bad doctor gets to the final three we lose. I do however, feel that Ergo might be our last scum. My vote would be there now (again) if I wasnt for pooky...havent had time to really give this a good reread...hopefully will be doing it in the next couple of days.

[curiouskarmadog]

Well I said I didnt have time to read thorough, I didnt see the post where he was shot..I thought ABR was screwing around.

How did Adel shoot him? My dayvig PM said I had to shoot in a certian color..I assumed everyone had the same thing...

well , obviously I need to reread

question, do we still have dayvig powers today? Can adel kill again or is it a one shot thing?

[curiouskarmadog]

are we in a FTA stage?

[curiouskarmadog]

agreed.

[curiouskarmadog]

well, if Adel is scum, she shot her load early and can not end the game early "tomorrow". Adel has been playing strangely all game and I dont have a clue.

Pooky has not really provided much of anything lately, but that has been constant in all of his games.

then there is shafted...hmmmm, dont know yet..

ok, gong to reread now..my next post will have my thoughts on it.

[curiouskarmadog]

still planning to reread near just lacking the time at the moment.

[curiouskarmadog]

going to attack (and post) a reread of Near tomorrow

[curiouskarmadog]

Review of Near.

Dean did jack.

Thantos did less

Near:

We all now know that Near was a newbie scum and is play was obvious as such. He had early attacks on Shafted and vollkan. Near attacked me for not investigating TG when I had the chance.

Near hammered TG in one of the most scummy manners I have seen. Then FoSed shafted again. Near forgets to include Pooky in the age part of the FTA. At this point, Near does not seem to comment much on Pooky and has said nothing about Adel.

Near unvotes shafted because he is at –1 (this doesn’t make any sense to me)

Near’s post 50 says Adel and Ergo went up on his radar, assuming because of their votes on shafted. This is strange as shit because Near has been pushing all day that shafted was scum, why the unvote? Near then revotes shafted, after votes have been removed from him.

Then Near is fired, do to shafted not bending to the pressure.

From Near’s posts I think we can put vollkan away as a townie. I would almost put shafted in that category too, if it wasn’t for Near’s unvote of shafted when shafted was at –1. Near never really addresses pooky, and only questions Adel after she voted Shafted, which I find odd. Why didn’t near ask Adel or Ergo any questions if he thought they were scummy?

Will see if I have time to reread armix…

vollkan once I reread armix..I should have something

[curiouskarmadog]

Vollkan I know you are town..I was the one who investigated you..I was making judgements based on Nears posts alone.

[curiouskarmadog]

if Adel is in our top two..then I suggest we lynch whoever else is in the top two with her...Adel no longer has the ability to vig, I dont know if everyone keeps their vigging ability after a lynch, but if they do and we miss lynch today, that person (if they have their vigging ability left) can successfully end the game...If we lynch Adel today and we are wrong about her..the real scum can vig...this of course does not matter if the vigging powers go away after a "firing".

Mod, sorry if this is a repeat question, we will still have our vigging powers if we fire someone? Or is that power just for today's "case"?

Shafted is the sudden interest in me have anything to do with the fact that I brought up that Near's unvote of you when you were at -1....doesnt seem to make much sense does it, especially knowing Near's alignment.

ok going to reread armix....

[curiouskarmadog]

i havent had time to read armix yet (the compare with Near)...other games are heating up that require more of my attention..I will hopefully gather some thoughts on this soon.

[curiouskarmadog]

ok had a game that needed my attention more than this one..will address this thread in the next 24 hours.

[curiouskarmadog]

Don’t know if this means anything but I am posting it...this is incomplete, more coming.

L-unit:

Pooky
Dean (SCUM)
Erg0 (TOWN)
Armlx (SCUM)
TrustGossip (TOWN)

NLU:

Volkan
Karma
Shafted
Adel
Jive (TOWN)

Pooky starts the L-UNIT with his “we” comment. Dean immediately joins Pooky and armix’s first post he joins Pooky’s team. At this point me have no clue what the teams will do.

First votes from Armix is on Ergo, Dean votes TG.

Armix spends most of page two joking around.

Armix starts his bullshit attack on me post 119. Adel follows 121.

Armix adds this.

I'm about 80% sure on Adel & Shaft. 20% on Volkan. 60% Pooky. 40% Karmadog.

I post this.

I understand Arm's, perspective and vote but....

Actually, Trust, I'm fairly sure non-commitment is the most scummy thing you can do.

However, my sick reads tell me you aren't scum. Neither is Ergo.

Unvote

Guess I'll do this

Vote curiouskarmadog

Smacking Pooky too hard for the wrong reasons. Could be double scum tell (makes valid arguement vs other scum that isn't enough to get him lynched, good set up for both), rather lynch him and find out.

I like those reason -- much better than my current ones.

unvote, vote:curiouskarmadog

ummm???

non random vote: pooky

, I think it was a slip up

qft

non random vote: pooky

doesnt that seem a little hypocritical to you? Now why would Adel jump on a bandwagon given that reason, when she did the same thing? I know Adel can think for herself....guess we have found something scummier than the "we"

unvote, vote Adel

Dean unvotes post 126.

Those percents were how sure I was they were scum. A lot of it was just instinct, with some logic.

ergo has been all for advancing discussion, which is very pro-town.

TG being clear to me falls more under the instinct side based on his posts.

Pooky is being semi-disruptive and snipy, though that's just who he is if I remember. Still suspicious as it seems a little different from exactly how I remember, hence the 60%.

Others later.

Armix throws light suspicion on Pooky, says Ergo is protown.

Page 8 brings a Jive wagon.

Adel 152
Pooky 153
Armix 155

I note the armix/adel voting partnership in 157, also in the reread, I note Adel’s voting pattern with armix stops.

Current %ages.

Shaft: 80%
Jive: 60%
Pooky: 40%
Adel: 40%
Karmadog: 40% (if Pooky is scum, number increases)
Dean Harper: 20%
Volkan: 20%
TG & Ergo: 0%

The some of the formerly scummy (Adel and Pooky namely) moved down as we have real lynch targets to go after now. List is mostly in order of scumminess for the people I actually find scummy.

He puts his partner at 20%, puts TG and Ergo (both town) at 0 and Jive at 60…don’t know what could be learned from this.

Post 234, ABR makes each team vote one of opposing team.

Adel starts with a vote on Jive (on her team) then votes armix.

Armix shares his thoughts.

With Adele jumping in early on such a low threshold as well as following all my votes and the TG votes early is really suspicious. It seems at though he is trying to be on every wagon he can be with enough logic to support it that it seems like he is lying low. I still think Jive Machine's one post about being alive helping everyone more is a massive scum tell, and that Adel has shown enough semi-insight as to leave alive past D1, but he is rising back to rival shafted on my list.

Dean lurks out.

Armix continues to push a crap case against me.

Next bit (326) edited and keeping stuff that references alive players...or dead scum

Shaft.ed is less scummy now that I look at his posts separately from everyone elses. They just seems awkwardly placed earlier, which could just be a avaliability time issue.

I stick by my early read on volkan being town for the same reasons. For I second I thought maybe he was distancing from Pooky, but then when I went back to check for lynch rules in the first posts I realized it didnt explicitly say anywhere the bad docs could converse outside the thread.

CKD's reaction to one vote was was out of proportion.

Adel keeps changing up styles, which is pro-town if I remember old games involving Fritzler and sometimes Pooky, but the wagon trailing i noticed early is kinda sketchy. Third highest scum on list behind CKD and Jive (not sure on those order).

LU:

Pooky I'ld want to wait 1-2 more days before passing definite judgment. Seems productive but aggressive.

Dean needs to post. What I said about Jive applies here, though Dean hasn't done as much sniping from his lurker hole.

I'm holding my vote until absolutely necessary so we can get more discussion, but if I had to vote right now I'ld say TJM, but with more discussion I'm fairly sure CKD can move on up the list. As for LU, I obviously can't comment on me, but among the others I'ld rather vote Ergo or Dean than random deadline lynch.

Other thoughts

Volkan I'm saying is town for now, but that simply means he is not a good lynch at all today. Things may change with more discussion, but he has passed the D1 test.

CKD I'm really not liking. I know I'm guilty of this a lot, but it feels like his votes/aggression have just been thrown at wherever the wind is blowing, without any sense of trying to progress discussion with these actions (sometimes its ok to do this, but his seem so awkwardly timed for that purpose). And his over reaction to TG's vote is a massive problem for me (again).

Pooky is being Pooky (from what I remember), which passes the D1 test for me.

Adel I don't know what to think. Like I said, changing play styles infi was a pro-town tell, but my sample size of BJ and Fritz is very biased. Some of the things he does in the name of "prompting discussion" are very sketchy. Like I said, there's a fine line between scummy enough to push discussion and scummy enough to push lynching and Adel has been very close to crossing the line.

Also, before any of the lurkers post, I would like 1 of Adel/CKD to remove their vote from me so we don't have someone coming in and messing up a perfectly good discussion.

Much of the same, last sentences seems odd....at this point in the game, Armix had to know that I wouldnt removed me vote off him.

MAN, I just reread this post that I have missed before.

I still think that both scum are in team LU.

This could have been a slip. At first I thought it was just a mess up, but maybe it really was a slip or adel trying to look town or ignorant. Why would you post this at this point in the game (Page 15 post 369)…it had nothing to do with the conversation at hand at the time. Or it could have been a slip, she being the third member, knows there are only 2 members left after her. “Both” could have been the other too….


Ok I NEED to go..but coming back…thoughts thus far? I know there is not really a case here yet, mostly thoughts and posts I found interested or possibly useful, but I wanted to let you know I was working on it.

[curiouskarmadog]

Potentially HUGE slip

- Near NEVER suggested that CKD bussed armlx. Guilty conscience?

the problem with reading people in a vaccum is you miss the context in which somethings are said.

interesting theory, what happens if TG turns out scum? Did I bus both my partners from the beginning both days? Where does the scum paranoina stop? Given your theory, who do you think we should lynch? TG to test me? Me to test...what?..Vollkan..top test what? NOw that you have put it out there..what now? If my investigation was understandable, why are we having this conversation?

Again, I wasnt sure that vollkan was town. I felt that he has been playing differently this game than others I have been in with him. It is documented in the thread that I have felt that way before we knew the "twist" investigation. This vollkan investigatio has provided us much more information than you are giving it credit

First, if we lynch TG and he turns out scum, then it's still possible that you are a scum. This would be a case of extreme bussing

. In fact, because it's so extreme, you might do it. Especially in this game where there is no cop and in the future rounds we don't know what the twists are. If TG turns out to be a scum, maybe you thought there is no way we ever doubt your pro-town.

he did imply that I was bussing TG and that it was extreme (I took that to mean that bussing TG and armix was extreme, because what was exactly extreme about my bussing TG alone? ALso, on several times I attacked Near's attacks of others, so I dont really understand your "kid glove" comment either..Ultimately, the only real strike against me was Near's death, and my push for Ergo's death over Near's....I just thought he was scummy..and if you remember, Ergo was acting quite differently at the end of the day yesterday and YOUR vote was there too vollkan, meaning that you felt he was just as scummy as I.

at any rate, I will not be around this weekend, so I will get on this as soon as possible, I need to finish my reread of armix.

[curiouskarmadog]

dammit...I am on such a losing streak right now.

we started off doing so well...I thought that unvote didnt make any sense and I couldnt figure out why shafted wouldnt hammer...again, I get a hunch about something and I dont stick to it....ugh, and pooky killing me out of no where was shitty...but hey, I think I had written off shafted too in this game, so me staying in it wouldnt have made a difference.

Shafted, I got a read on you earlier...I could tell a big difference in the two games we shared...my biggest problem was I read you as scum in the other game and town in this one (mostly). Once I found out you were town in the other game, I mostly just chalked it up to the different formats.....

[curiouskarmadog]

oh yeah, if I didnt say it, you played a good game shafted

[curiouskarmadog]

well, I need to go back and see what you posted that got my intial hunch-scum vibe going....after you pushed the over reaction case, though...there was no way you were going off my radar.