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fuck, missed on RVS
I'll just pretend nothing of note happened and VOTE: Upwards-
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pretending it's still RVS is more fun though and even the mod's using an avatar that takes me back to 2017 (I think) shitpostingIn post 74, Gypyx wrote:
How about you don't pretend it's still RVS and come play the game with us my friendIn post 71, lucca261 wrote: fuck, missed on RVS
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to be fair, I read the game again and jumped at nothing
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I kinda feel like you're doing exactly what a player with almost a 10-year break who has rolled town would doIn post 145, FuDuzn wrote:In post 71, lucca261 wrote: fuck, missed on RVS
I'll just pretend nothing of note happened and VOTE: UpwardsIn post 76, lucca261 wrote:
pretending it's still RVS is more fun though and even the mod's using an avatar that takes me back to 2017 (I think) shitpostingIn post 74, Gypyx wrote:
How about you don't pretend it's still RVS and come play the game with us my friendIn post 71, lucca261 wrote: fuck, missed on RVS
I'll just pretend nothing of note happened and VOTE: Upwards
Whole lotta null here, if anything would like to hear why I am 'towny enough'In post 78, lucca261 wrote: to be fair, I read the game again and jumped at nothing
at most I think FD looks towny enough
Given you have referred to yourself as a newbie, I think a scum!FD would be a little more under the radar on the start of the game
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ehh I wasn't really concerned by the reaction to my RVS vote, even if gypyx thought it was weirdIn post 158, DeltaWave wrote: It sounds to me like lucca got some backlash from gypyx for what was legitimately an odd post #71 and then immediately backpedaled it. If it's really an RVS vote then who cares. That's what the R means. Then lucca pegged you as town in #78. You get more friends by calling people town, especially early on. If you put this sequence of events together, the problem is evident.
but looking at this from your perspective:
you got backlash (from FD on @143) from posting nothing today, came back and posted only about a guy who was inactive and not likely to defend himself?
seems like you are more concerned than me to make friends and not provoke anyone (which I truly believe is NAI, people hate being scumread, just ironic)-
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I'm on that weird path where I kinda think my only scumread so far is Upwards for .
Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post.
Too non-commital, too agreeable. This paragraph in particular:
I mean, this looks a lot like newbscum to me.So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.-
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The "(despite only having 2 posts myself)" pings me weirdly here.In post 116, Laplacian wrote:
I'm down with this vote (despite only having 2 posts myself)In post 114, Gamma Emerald wrote:
VOTE: MargotRosaIn post 112, Gypyx wrote: VOTE: MargotRosa
Anyways wanna vote a slot that's been weirdly shy about things?
I somewhat agree with this idea. I think she’s just been not present but wouldn’t mind leaving her a little present on her return
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hey mate why did you unvote Margot so quickly
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Overall catchup (non-reactive) thoughts:
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Thought so. But given that his vote on Margot was serious - not only pressure -, I expect to have done something very scummy for a sudden switch when a wagon gets going.In post 179, Gamma Emerald wrote: I was going to unvote if FD didn’t anyway since I wanted to see Margot’s reaction to the wagon, not the blitz elim-
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Super town and frankly kinda cool in general. Yours?In post 188, Claptastik wrote:
What's your read on lucca?In post 174, lucca261 wrote:
ehh I wasn't really concerned by the reaction to my RVS vote, even if gypyx thought it was weirdIn post 158, DeltaWave wrote: It sounds to me like lucca got some backlash from gypyx for what was legitimately an odd post #71 and then immediately backpedaled it. If it's really an RVS vote then who cares. That's what the R means. Then lucca pegged you as town in #78. You get more friends by calling people town, especially early on. If you put this sequence of events together, the problem is evident.
but looking at this from your perspective:
you got backlash (from FD on @143) from posting nothing today, came back and posted only about a guy who was inactive and not likely to defend himself?
seems like you are more concerned than me to make friends and not provoke anyone (which I truly believe is NAI, people hate being scumread, just ironic)-
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The thing is: if you are town here, it's very likely that scum will try to use your status as a new player to advance their game. Not in a "I'm evil, kill all the newbies" way, but maybe by buddying you, maybe by trying to use you as elimbait, stuff like this.In post 193, Upwards wrote:
Why exactly should I be paranoid, and of what? Don’t really get your point here.In post 176, lucca261 wrote: I'm on that weird path where I kinda think my only scumread so far is Upwards for .
Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post.
Too non-commital, too agreeable. This paragraph in particular:
I mean, this looks a lot like newbscum to me.So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.
Being so open on your opening post, even asking people to correct you? I see newb!town would be a little more wary, especially on a game like this with several very experienced players.
Keep in mind this is a early D1 read, so it's not final or decisive in any way. But it's something that pinged me early game.-
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btw @Upwards what do you think of the players so far?
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Maybe. See how he shouldn't trust everyone?In post 224, Claptastik wrote:
You mean like you're doing now?In post 222, lucca261 wrote: The thing is: if you are town here, it's very likely that scum will try to use your status as a new player to advance their game. Not in a "I'm evil, kill all the newbies" way, but maybe by buddying you, maybe by trying to use you as elimbait, stuff like this.-
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What about you mate
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Just re-read some stuff and feel confident adding Margot to my town pile so far.
Her stuff seems natural. I like the contrarian reads. Feel like scum!Margot would have more defined reads by now. feels pretty good, even if I do not agree with most of it.
Still not loving Laplacian.
So FD, since you are active, why are you voting me again?cê filma e fala?
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Sure. You're sending mixed signals to me, right on the middle of null. There's a good possibility you're town, yet you're voting meIn post 251, FuDuzn wrote:
I wanted reactions to it, especially after Delta basically said you were scummy, but couldn't actually say the words, which seemed weird to me.In post 246, lucca261 wrote: Just re-read some stuff and feel confident adding Margot to my town pile so far.
Her stuff seems natural. I like the contrarian reads. Feel like scum!Margot would have more defined reads by now. feels pretty good, even if I do not agree with most of it.
Still not loving Laplacian.
So FD, since you are active, why are you voting me again?
Are you concerned with my vote on you?
if you're town and voting me I'm doing something wrong
if you're scum and voting me I could use the reasoning for posterity
Always concerningcê filma e fala?
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Quick meta read shows me Margot is a very decisive player both as town and scum. Firm reads, firm stances.In post 254, FuDuzn wrote:
Also, why would you feel like scumMargot would have more defined reads?In post 246, lucca261 wrote: Just re-read some stuff and feel confident adding Margot to my town pile so far.
Her stuff seems natural. I like the contrarian reads. Feel like scum!Margot would have more defined reads by now. feels pretty good, even if I do not agree with most of it.
Still not loving Laplacian.
So FD, since you are active, why are you voting me again?
The amount of townreads and lack of serious scumreads so far shows me that she's struggling to form solid reads (as I am on several slots). Makes me think she's town.
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Sure they willIn post 257, FuDuzn wrote:
In a world where you are town, you do realize town will vote town quite a bit, right?In post 256, lucca261 wrote:
Sure. You're sending mixed signals to me, right on the middle of null. There's a good possibility you're town, yet you're voting meIn post 251, FuDuzn wrote:
I wanted reactions to it, especially after Delta basically said you were scummy, but couldn't actually say the words, which seemed weird to me.In post 246, lucca261 wrote: Just re-read some stuff and feel confident adding Margot to my town pile so far.
Her stuff seems natural. I like the contrarian reads. Feel like scum!Margot would have more defined reads by now. feels pretty good, even if I do not agree with most of it.
Still not loving Laplacian.
So FD, since you are active, why are you voting me again?
Are you concerned with my vote on you?
if you're town and voting me I'm doing something wrong
if you're scum and voting me I could use the reasoning for posterity
Always concerning
And every vote has a purpose, even if it isn't clear at the time(even when scum place a vote)
But you wanted an explanation for my vote on you, I explained, yet you still seem so concerned with my one vote.
I feel like scum would be more defensive like this since they need something to defend against, while town should be more concerned about letting their actions speak for themselves, if that makes sense.
but like think about this way
voting a town player is inherently scummy
only thing I know for certain on this game is my alignment
so therefore someone voting me? i'll always get at least concerned
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regardless, my concern with your vote was you jumping off the Margot wagon when it was starting to get big with a naked vote. especially since she didn't post at all between your votes. it's still a little weird for mecê filma e fala?
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, I believe she would be more concerned on mirroring her old playstyle as scum
Meh. Vibe is weird, but nothing strong. Lots of empty questions and theory talkIn post 263, FuDuzn wrote: Lucca, what are you feeling about Clap right about now?
I did note that feels very empty and unneeded, as it's just four null reads after a catch-up with nothing substancial
Felt like "fuck I just posted on the thread with no analysis whatsoever so I'll just write something here so people won't complain"
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Sure. Ask awayIn post 285, FuDuzn wrote: Lucca, can we talk about Margot more?
But in secret this time lol
Pre edit: I am trying to gauge other's opinions on you(like asking Lucca earlier), like I said I had you as solidly town earlier but am doubting that read now.
And I have said I don't love how Gamma and Hu were so quick to town read me, but nothing really jumps out to me as scummy about Gamma besides thatcê filma e fala?
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In regards to the Delta catch-up (not quoting because it's is a big post and you know it would be kinda hard on the eyes):
Not in love with it. Delta back to null. My issue is the easy content. It's all good technical play, but... a little bland?
Her scumreads are Gamma because of the Townblock, Hu Tao for the quickhammer comment and me for supposedly misrepping Upwards.
All fine. But to quote Delta herself: "There are so many more interesting things to talk about in this game."
Seems exactly what an experienced scum player would post on a catch-up to appear towny. Good technical play, scumreading stuff that is kinda anti-town sometimes, stuff that's easy to agree.
One thing I like is the small mistake (that Upwards corrected on @2..) about my exchange with Up. Feel like Scum!Delta wouldn't make a easily correctable argument.cê filma e fala?
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I don't really think it's that alignment-indicative. Could see it coming from both TvT or TvS.In post 289, FuDuzn wrote:
You have used the possible worst faith interpretations, as you put it, and used it to push me as scum......without considering any other interpretation of my posts.In post 287, MargotRosa wrote:
I didn't find everything you did scummy. I just gave some possible worst faith interpretations of what you said, which is often how I play the game, so I can reason through which of those worst faith interpretations are actually worth taking seriously.In post 281, FuDuzn wrote:
Can you elaborate exactly how any of the posts I made that you linked to are scummy and not, ya know, how I play the game?In post 278, MargotRosa wrote: It's a lean with reasoning backing up my reads, yeah.
I already said I had a slight scum read, and when I came back, your posts fit into a playstyle I see as scum-leaning, which solidified it.
Like seriously saying me making a joke about the page top is scummy???
Like I said, I feel like you are being wildly disingenuous here. There is no world where you find everything I do as actually scummy.
I'm going to gestate, and do some further research. I'm also in the process of forming my full read list, which is difficult as many people haven't posted all that much, but should it have posted in the next couple days. Going to gf's dad's birthday in a few hours and then catching up on needed sleep, so may be a bit inactive in the interim
That is not how town would act
Lucca, no need to talk more, thank you for our dance we had.....maybe we will dance again soon, but time to get actual scum
VOTE: Margot
Back to this(although as someone who is town reading Margot, I would like your interpretation of this back and forth with me and her.....Lucca)
I think raises some good points, even it is a little tunnelly. Sure, it seems like she's reading everything you're doing as scum. But I have done this as town. Sometimes I was wrong, sometimes I was right. Confbias is a powerful afrodisiac.
For example: there is merit on the stuff about you seemingly fishing for wagons. Hadn't caught that.
The only thing that pings me is that I thought her point about you using a pagetop to set a positive tone was pretty clear. felt a little disingenuous.cê filma e fala?
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EBWOP: Upwards corrected it onIn post 360, lucca261 wrote:
In regards to the Delta catch-up (not quoting because it's is a big post and you know it would be kinda hard on the eyes):
Not in love with it. Delta back to null. My issue is the easy content. It's all good technical play, but... a little bland?
Her scumreads are Gamma because of the Townblock, Hu Tao for the quickhammer comment and me for supposedly misrepping Upwards.
All fine. But to quote Delta herself: "There are so many more interesting things to talk about in this game."
Seems exactly what an experienced scum player would post on a catch-up to appear towny. Good technical play, scumreading stuff that is kinda anti-town sometimes, stuff that's easy to agree.
One thing I like is the small mistake (that Upwards corrected on @2..) about my exchange with Up. Feel like Scum!Delta wouldn't make a easily correctable argument.cê filma e fala?
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Overall catchup thoughts:
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it's time to contributeIn post 331, Zebedee wrote: E-1, that's like gonna lim soon? Why so quick? Anyway have to shoot the roundabout needs fixing and Gertrude needs her hay.
Boinnnng time for bed...
what's your opinion on the Townblock discourse
think you caught anyone spouting crap?cê filma e fala?
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My defense was weak? What would you call your attack, considering it's factually incorrect?In post 371, DeltaWave wrote:
I consider it a badge of honor that the best defense you can muster to this is that it's a "little bland."In post 360, lucca261 wrote:
In regards to the Delta catch-up (not quoting because it's is a big post and you know it would be kinda hard on the eyes):
Not in love with it. Delta back to null. My issue is the easy content. It's all good technical play, but... a little bland?
This is maybe the first time I've ever seen someone say that scumreading anti-town activity is scummy. I guess I should be reading pro-town activity as scummy instead!Her scumreads are Gamma because of the Townblock, Hu Tao for the quickhammer comment and me for supposedly misrepping Upwards.
All fine. But to quote Delta herself: "There are so many more interesting things to talk about in this game."
Seems exactly what an experienced scum player would post on a catch-up to appear towny. Good technical play, scumreading stuff that is kinda anti-town sometimes, stuff that's easy to agree.
What is this about? I don't understand.One thing I like is the small mistake (that Upwards corrected on @2..) about my exchange with Up. Feel like Scum!Delta wouldn't make a easily correctable argument.cê filma e fala?
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Let's skip a step, since you're going to reply doubting that your "case" is factually incorrect:
Lucca - I already explained why lucca is in my scumpool and the ISO didn't really change that. In fact, I find it concerning that Lucca is potentially misrepping Upwards in Post 176. "Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post." Upwards didn't say that he read a 100 person game, just that he heard about it. So it's a bit unfair to assume (possibly wrongly) that he actually read it. It seemed like a really thin excuse to go after someone who (if town) is a good ME target. This is the strongest scumread that Lucca has had thus far, and he walked it back later. There are so many more interesting things to talk about in this game other than some mafia game that inspired Upwards to join. It's just odd.----------------------------
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He has read it. .
Factually incorrect.
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The only quote in my whole ISO where I express any possible retraction of my Upwards read:
"Keep in mind this is a early D1 read, so it's not final or decisive in any way. But it's something that pinged me early game."
Is this a retraction? It's a weak read, as we are on early D1. There is no post where I express any retraction over the read.
Factually incorrect.
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Sure. I agree. As I have only talked about the other maf game on 2 of my 28 posts. Counting this one.
So let's broaden the scope.
I have only talked about Upwards (directly or indirectly) on 10/28 posts. Counting the RVS vote on @71, the one sentence on @180, referencing him correcting your mistake on @360, the subsequent EBWOP on @363 and this one.
In contrast, I have been the direct focus of four of your posts. You have 12 in total.
@155
@158
@264
@371
So, Delta: there are more interesting things to talk about on this game than my RVS vote and factually incorrect scum points against me based on interactions with Upwards.
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How's that for a defense?cê filma e fala?
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Honestly I've been lurking on the thread a couple of times and it seems nothing actually happened those two past days (a lot of the posts are the Clap - Gamma argument that kinda bored me)
will re-read with more attention later, but for now
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Because his catch-up post is the most generic, 'go with the flow' readslist I have ever seen. I also don't really get the Hu Tao townread from him. It seems like a fake read to meIn post 580, Upwards wrote:
What’s that vote for Lucca? From what I’ve seen you’ve disliked his early posting but never really explained why. Whereas you had explained why you disliked mine.In post 576, lucca261 wrote: Honestly I've been lurking on the thread a couple of times and it seems nothing actually happened those two past days (a lot of the posts are the Clap - Gamma argument that kinda bored me)
will re-read with more attention later, but for now
VOTE: Laplacian
Also there did happen something with the Delta/Hu Tao situation around Gammas potential E-1, even if for some reason I seem to be the only player finding that noteworthy at all. Any thoughts on that perhaps?
Saying he's "open to vote" the three most suspected slots on the game while scumreading the fourth most suspected slot and applying no pressure? It's not a town mindset
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there's also the possibility that it's just a disguised prod-dodge from disinterested town to be fairIn post 591, lucca261 wrote:
Because his catch-up post is the most generic, 'go with the flow' readslist I have ever seen. I also don't really get the Hu Tao townread from him. It seems like a fake read to meIn post 580, Upwards wrote:
What’s that vote for Lucca? From what I’ve seen you’ve disliked his early posting but never really explained why. Whereas you had explained why you disliked mine.In post 576, lucca261 wrote: Honestly I've been lurking on the thread a couple of times and it seems nothing actually happened those two past days (a lot of the posts are the Clap - Gamma argument that kinda bored me)
will re-read with more attention later, but for now
VOTE: Laplacian
Also there did happen something with the Delta/Hu Tao situation around Gammas potential E-1, even if for some reason I seem to be the only player finding that noteworthy at all. Any thoughts on that perhaps?
Saying he's "open to vote" the three most suspected slots on the game while scumreading the fourth most suspected slot and applying no pressure? It's not a town mindset
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So you're voting for me (a null read), instead of Gamma, who also voted for you and you were scumreading?In post 604, Laplacian wrote:
I said I hadn't had time to do a deep dive, which I thought was clear by "vaguely keeping up" in the post you don't even bother to quote so that is hidden.In post 591, lucca261 wrote:
Because his catch-up post is the most generic, 'go with the flow' readslist I have ever seen. I also don't really get the Hu Tao townread from him. It seems like a fake read to meIn post 580, Upwards wrote:
What’s that vote for Lucca? From what I’ve seen you’ve disliked his early posting but never really explained why. Whereas you had explained why you disliked mine.In post 576, lucca261 wrote: Honestly I've been lurking on the thread a couple of times and it seems nothing actually happened those two past days (a lot of the posts are the Clap - Gamma argument that kinda bored me)
will re-read with more attention later, but for now
VOTE: Laplacian
Also there did happen something with the Delta/Hu Tao situation around Gammas potential E-1, even if for some reason I seem to be the only player finding that noteworthy at all. Any thoughts on that perhaps?
Saying he's "open to vote" the three most suspected slots on the game while scumreading the fourth most suspected slot and applying no pressure? It's not a town mindset
What's your opinion on the post? @559
None of these are new to my list btw. I was prodding gamma earlier about the towncore, clearly had suspicions of both delta and upward, and hopped on the margot train early when it started. No shit I'm down to vote the most sus slots int he gamebecause they're the most sus slots in the game. I had null read on you earlier, but now I see why people put you in their scumpool.
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Can you explain your Hu Tao townread?In post 621, Laplacian wrote:
I'm also gluttonous, which I've been informed is one of the top 7 sinsIn post 620, DeltaWave wrote: From what I can tell, Lap's big sin is that he gave a low-effort read list and then OMGUS'ed Lucca. Is that the case against him?cê filma e fala?
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I mean is it a big sudden push when it's just me, Gamma and Gyp voting him and all the rest of the players are subtly defending Lap?In post 622, Claptastik wrote: Huh, a sudden push on the lowest activity slot in the game. That's not sus at all. This makes me feel better about the gamma and margot wagons, and worse about gypyx.cê filma e fala?
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FuDuzn just disappearing and posting once a day is concerning to me btwcê filma e fala?
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I'm not voting him for activity though. I think his posts are scummy.In post 647, MargotRosa wrote: The Lap read is interesting. I thought similarly, but don't really want to vote low activity slots out d1 just on the basis of low activity, esp when they have decent reasons for absences
I don't really see someone who is assumedly vaguely keeping up townreading Hu Tao, who has done nothing since like page 8 but talk about quick hammering and about the townblock stuffcê filma e fala?
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TouchéIn post 656, FuDuzn wrote:
Coming from someone who was just prodded for lack of activity......hello pot, meet kettle.In post 639, lucca261 wrote: FuDuzn just disappearing and posting once a day is concerning to me btw
I generally don't have all day to post, and when I was free yesterday I wasn't getting a lot of engagement with my posting, so ya I am not gonna be Clap and just engage with the wall lol
the concerning part to me is that you were super active at the beginning, pushing other people to talk, asking lots of questions
then it suddenly stopped
i mean we needed content-generating FD for a while during the endless argument that took like two days and five pagescê filma e fala?
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and there's thatcê filma e fala?
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what a dumb way to end d1cê filma e fala?
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holy shitcê filma e fala?
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if Gamma isn't just scum trolling, kinda think all three scum are on this listIn post 710, MargotRosa wrote: Wagon was Alianna, Claptastik, Upwards, Naerys, DeltaWave, Laplacian and, by proxy, Hu. Zeb got on and jumped offcê filma e fala?
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i'll say that's on me for writing an enormous post during the night assuming Margot was towncê filma e fala?
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it was pretty funny and allcê filma e fala?
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THE LAPLACIAN DEFENSE SQUAD
Previously... on Mini Normal 2324:
To set the scene: it's the middle of D1. For at least 10 pages,Gamma Emeraldis the only slot who is a viable elimination.
Hu Taois trying to getDelta, to no avail.Margotis a prior wagon, but Gyp andFuDuzn, the leading pushers, are not all that active on this phase of the game.
The only viable wagon isGamma Emerald, at E-2, with it's insaciable leaderClaptastikconvicing players such asUpwards, Naerys and Deltathat this is the correct lim for today. EvenHu Tao and Laplacian, voting off the wagon, had expressed interest on getting Gamma off.
Until...
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Luccacomes out of lurking and votesLaplacian. ThenGammadoes it. ThenGypzxdoes it. It's a new cavalcade of votes. The first viable non-Gamma wagon to get traction since page 12 or 13.
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Gamma(5) -Alianna, Clap, Upwards, Naerys, Delta
Laplacian(3) -Lucca, Gamma,Gyp
Delta(2) -Hu Tao, Zeb
Margot(1) -FuDuzn
FuDuzn(1) -Margot
Lucca(1) -Lap
This is when they arrived. The avengers. They are...THE LAPLACIAN DEFENSE SQUAD!
Hellbent on getting Gamma Emerald voted off!
Champions of pointing shade on the Laplacian wagon - led by town!
Meet them:
And the counter-attack plan:
@623, @635, @636
What a ragtag crew!cê filma e fala?
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the issue is that I need to re-read but with the flip I think I have a bigger scumread than Lapcê filma e fala?
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it was funnier on my mind tbhIn post 769, lucca261 wrote:THE LAPLACIAN DEFENSE SQUAD
Previously... on Mini Normal 2324:
To set the scene: it's the middle of D1. For at least 10 pages,Gamma Emeraldis the only slot who is a viable elimination.
Hu Taois trying to getDelta, to no avail.Margotis a prior wagon, but Gyp andFuDuzn, the leading pushers, are not all that active on this phase of the game.
The only viable wagon isGamma Emerald, at E-2, with it's insaciable leaderClaptastikconvicing players such asUpwards, Naerys and Deltathat this is the correct lim for today. EvenHu Tao and Laplacian, voting off the wagon, had expressed interest on getting Gamma off.
Until...
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Luccacomes out of lurking and votesLaplacian. ThenGammadoes it. ThenGypzxdoes it. It's a new cavalcade of votes. The first viable non-Gamma wagon to get traction since page 12 or 13.
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Gamma(5) -Alianna, Clap, Upwards, Naerys, Delta
Laplacian(3) -Lucca, Gamma,Gyp
Delta(2) -Hu Tao, Zeb
Margot(1) -FuDuzn
FuDuzn(1) -Margot
Lucca(1) -Lap
This is when they arrived. The avengers. They are...THE LAPLACIAN DEFENSE SQUAD!
Hellbent on getting Gamma Emerald voted off!
Champions of pointing shade on the Laplacian wagon - led by town!
Meet them:
And the counter-attack plan:
@623, @635, @636
What a ragtag crew!cê filma e fala?
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is pretty interesting with the flip, at least.
@Upwards and @Laplacian, did you guys get the time to have a re-read and collect your thoughts during the night? Kinda interested to hear both of your guys opinion, given the complete reevalution of some of my reads.cê filma e fala?
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I think Laplacian benefits from the flip overallIn post 228, Laplacian wrote:
.. 114 in that quote Gamma called MR "not present". Commenting my voting a lurker while also being low post count isn't self-conscious, it's having a healthy appreciation for irony.In post 183, Gypyx wrote:
Why so self-concious about this, do you think you're being scummy when saying that?In post 116, Laplacian wrote:
I'm down with this vote (despite only having 2 posts myself)In post 114, Gamma Emerald wrote:
VOTE: MargotRosaIn post 112, Gypyx wrote: VOTE: MargotRosa
Anyways wanna vote a slot that's been weirdly shy about things?
I somewhat agree with this idea. I think she’s just been not present but wouldn’t mind leaving her a little present on her return
VOTE: MargotRosa
i guess Lucca already pointed it out so yea i agree
Also, 185 you put both me and Margot as scummy. I was 3rd on the vote train you started for them, hopping on within an hour. If we're both scum, why would I bus so quickly and give the vote momentum?
This post is very curious thoughcê filma e fala?
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Pretty sure scum hit him trying to get a PRIn post 777, Laplacian wrote:
Right now I'm rereading HuDuzn's posts, seeing who he was leaning towards. Looking for a reason why scum hit him.In post 772, lucca261 wrote: is pretty interesting with the flip, at least.
@Upwards and @Laplacian, did you guys get the time to have a re-read and collect your thoughts during the night? Kinda interested to hear both of your guys opinion, given the complete reevalution of some of my reads.cê filma e fala?
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think you are more likely to be towncê filma e fala?
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there are some interesting connections between margot and lap and I did find it weird that Margot just came back into the thread late D1, said that the Gamma wagon was shit but just ignored the possible laplacian counter-wagon
to be fair I don't see Lap leaving his vote on Margot for most of D1 if they are partners and margot is the counter-wagon to Gamma. it's easier to just go: "i'm kinda busy, will unvote Margot"
and boom one less vote
but Margot/Upwards makes too much sense for me considering their complete lack of interaction D1, how upwards ignored the Margot wagon in its apex, cast the third vote on Gamma when Margot was the leading wagon (on E-3) to make Gamma a viable counter-wagon
the only comment Margot made on Upwards too is putting him at the null-scum slot (the classic partner position) while defending him on the whole quote
check this outUpwards
A slot that's gotten a lot of heat. I didn't find 81 abnormal at all. Clearly nervous, but I too can remember feeling nervous as town and desperately not wanting to get eliminated first day, even if that attitude is not necessarily the most helpful for town. I think there's definitely an element of defensiveness going on (rf. 121 306 356). Read on their scum hunting is basically similar to Naerys, with the added caveat that it feels mostly externally prompted. Slot to keep an eye on, but null for the moment.cê filma e fala?
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that is a weird defensive read on a slot that is supposedly your most scummy null readcê filma e fala?
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that was a great shot by the way
holy fuck margot was on my town pile by a lot after late D1cê filma e fala?
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In post 795, Laplacian wrote:Great first impression, especially when you replaced into a slot that HuDuzn had suspicions of. (127, 142)
It's the second time Lap answered a vote with a out-of-nowhere super defensive OMGUS that makes zero sense and them they immediately follow it with a setup speculation that could only benefit mafiaIn post 796, Laplacian wrote: Also, setup speculation since DE70 was has past games in his sig.
His 2 games leaned towards lots of weaker roles, with lots of use or time restrictions. This matches maf's 1 shot jug, so I'd expect them to have 1 more PR waiting. Rolecop could make sense with the 4+ town PRs I'm assuming.
We definitely have a bodyguard or doc because of the jug. From the two one-shot roles, this game fits the weaker roles meta. I'd guess 1 more solid role or 2 weak ones, probably including a limited investigator either way.
then on the next post he gets pre-emptively defensive about it
with all due respect Lap this is so incredibly scummy that I could only see it coming from town in a weird waycê filma e fala?
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now that Margot and FD are both dead there's no point on hiding itIn post 801, Claptastik wrote:
Did you see a crumb?In post 778, lucca261 wrote: Pretty sure scum hit him trying to get a PR
@285 is not a crumb per se but it's so weird that I kinda assumed it was a crumb and I just didn't get it. Margot also came back to it and tried to get an answer as to what 'talk in secret' was so I had a hunch she had the same opinioncê filma e fala?
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Not interacting with other players? That's OK. I don't think I've had a thought about Naerys and Alianna on the last 30 pages. But not giving your opinion/interacting with the player who was, for at least 40% of D1, the leading wagon? That's not natural.In post 816, Upwards wrote:
What are you doing here?In post 786, lucca261 wrote:
but Margot/Upwards makes too much sense for me considering their complete lack of interaction D1, how upwards ignored the Margot wagon in its apex, cast the third vote on Gamma when Margot was the leading wagon (on E-3) to make Gamma a viable counter-wagon
the only comment Margot made on Upwards too is putting him at the null-scum slot (the classic partner position) while defending him on the whole quote
check this outUpwards
A slot that's gotten a lot of heat. I didn't find 81 abnormal at all. Clearly nervous, but I too can remember feeling nervous as town and desperately not wanting to get eliminated first day, even if that attitude is not necessarily the most helpful for town. I think there's definitely an element of defensiveness going on (rf. 121 306 356). Read on their scum hunting is basically similar to Naerys, with the added caveat that it feels mostly externally prompted. Slot to keep an eye on, but null for the moment.
I didn’t interact with Margot, true. I also didn’t interact much with quite some other players tbh. Those that read me as null or not at all, mostly. Since that didn’t look too interesting.
I ignored the Margot wagon, true. Simply because I didn’t see much reason behind it.
I made Gamma a viable counter wagon… That’s not even really the truth is it? If you look back, what I just did, you’ll see that Margot had even 5 votes at page 7 and it took 6 more pages until I voted Gamma. I argued my case, true, but it was hardly me rushing to Margots aid. As evident by it taking 20 more pages until Gamma of all people voted Gamma to eliminate Gamma.
I’m not sure what Margots intention was when she put me in the "null-scum-slot". If that’s really the classic partner slot as you put it, that seems like the last slot I would put my buddies in as scum. Why do exactly what town expects?
Yes, you made Gamma into a viable counter wagon. It happened on page 14.
This was the votecount at the end of page 13.
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MargotRosa(4):Gypyx, Laplacian,FuDuzn,Hu Tao
lucca261(1):DeltaWave
Upwards(1):lucca261
Gamma Emerald(1):Alianna
Alianna(1):Naerys
Claptastik(1):Gamma Emerald
FuDuzn(1):MargotRosa
NOT VOTING:Upwards, Zeb, Clap
The progression was:- Deltagives me my second vote.Margothas three votes, all unknown.Luccahas two votes, one of them beingFuDuzn.
- FuDuznswitches fromLuccatoMargot, putting her at E-3.
- Clapimmediately unvotesMargot.
- Hu TaovotesMargot, putting her back at E-3.
- Aliannais being replaced. We did not know that at the time, but it would turn theGamma EmeraldRVS vote into a game-determinative vote.
Guess who makes the wagon feel heavier and puts the third/second vote onto Gamma on a moment in which Margot is at E-3? @333. All while stating no opinion on Margot and her wagon. Naerys does the same on @338, but as you know, she's town.
Your vote is basically what turns the Gamma wagon from Clap usual throwing votes around and switching them to a real possible lim.cê filma e fala?
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yeah i think if there's another scum off the gamma wagon then it's probably HT given that Zeb interactions with Gamma were townyIn post 841, Gypyx wrote: Anyways, gotten around to thinking about Hu Tao again, and i think this slot's kinda weird? At least in terms of good stuff, the interactions with Margot look kinda good 660 and Margot's big read list where she pretty much puts them as scumlean, but with declared intent to get around to pushing them
On the other side, sitting on delta has maaaybe a bit of scum equity for them, as like, that wagon was kind of not going anywhere for a long while? (granted, no wagons were really going anywhere apart from Gamma but such pasiveness kinda indicates a willingness to let things go that way without involving oneself) on top of that if Hu Tao is indeed scum then i think we need to look for the 3rd on the actual Gamma wagon as there's almost no chance that thing is actually pure
In post 672, Hu Tao wrote: Also is gamma at e-1 right now? Seems like it? I could be wrong thoughthis also weird me out a bit as a "my shitposting isn't really working out anymore but i wanna pretend it's still a thing, which is imo more likely to come from a scum mindset aka : more willing to fake viewpoints
kinda annoys me to have that many scumreads but it'll prolly be fine (clueless)
i still kinda think both scum were on wagon thocê filma e fala?
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great post you are so great today congrats naerysIn post 861, Naerys wrote:In post 163, DragonEater70 wrote:Votecount 1.03
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2024-01-14 01:13:22).
Looking at the wagons, i wish to solve in Claptastik- Upwards-Delta
they feel the most sus
Also gypyx is likely town
i don't hate all targaryens nowcê filma e fala?
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mostly relief machocê filma e fala?
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