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Cook him, bestie!In post 14, Dannflor wrote:In post 11, Random Nurse in this game wrote: I wonder what kind of heat Scum's packing this game.In post 11, Random Nurse in Mini Normal 2317 wrote: I'm surprised there's an IC in this game, so Scum is probably packing heat?
VOTE: KeyLaga
VOTE: Random Nurse
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COOKED!In post 18, Political Clout wrote:
VOTE: random nurseIn post 14, Dannflor wrote:In post 11, Random Nurse in this game wrote: I wonder what kind of heat Scum's packing this game.In post 11, Random Nurse in Mini Normal 2317 wrote: I'm surprised there's an IC in this game, so Scum is probably packing heat?
VOTE: KeyLaga
VOTE: Random Nurse
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Don't want to vote your partner?
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Awkward...In post 79, Datisi wrote:-
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Why would I be scum. He made that same post as scum-
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It was a good vote imo. No regrets there and would do it again-
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Okay well. This post was the 2nd post I didn't like. Seems like new scum. I feel the nervousness in this post. Trying to blend inIn post 52, NotAScum wrote: Good morning fellow townies! This game looks really complex to me.-
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VOTE: NotAScum
I think this is my preferred vote.
I also think I'm more weary of scum being off that wagon. Scum knew RN was town so they probably soft defended to gain townie points-
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You agree but vote me? SusIn post 99, Political Clout wrote:
I agreeIn post 97, Hu Tao wrote: It was a good vote imo. No regrets there and would do it again-
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Because I'm pretty sure he's scum. Where as I would need to look at people and decide which might be scum.In post 111, Dannflor wrote:
there were only like 2 slots that defended random nurse, why are you voting notascum as opposed to looking at themIn post 103, Hu Tao wrote: I also think I'm more weary of scum being off that wagon. Scum knew RN was town so they probably soft defended to gain townie points-
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How would scum know RN was a pr? This makes no sense.In post 112, Naerys wrote:
No, scum wants as many town PRs to oust as possible. Thats why i am pretty sure atleast 1 scum, maybe 2 scums were on Nurse.In post 103, Hu Tao wrote: I also think I'm more weary of scum being off that wagon. Scum knew RN was town so they probably soft defended to gain townie points
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Nope. Her reasoning is flawed. It implies scum knew RN was pr. And naerys makes bad arguments like this as scum. So she's prob scum. I still think NotAScum is the better vote hereIn post 117, Klick wrote: I think Naerys is arguing this as town and I trust her judgement
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Reminder that last game you did this AS TOWN. Creating a quick wagon.In post 116, Naerys wrote:
Ask yourself, what motivation would townie have in helping with creating a speedwagon so early? They way the votes on you grew, wasnt townie at all IMO.In post 66, Random Nurse wrote:In post 65, Naerys wrote: Help me yeet Hu and you will become solid town, nurse
Sell me on Hu-Hu first thanks.
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I usually don't have 2 scumreads this early on, this is exciting-
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What makes it reek? That you know who is scum this game?In post 124, Naerys wrote:
That was then, this is now. And current speedwagon reeks rather badly.In post 121, Hu Tao wrote: Reminder that last game you did this AS TOWN. Creating a quick wagon.
And remind me? How many scum were on that wagon?
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Because NAS entrance seems forced. KJQ doesn't so farIn post 139, Dannflor wrote: hu tao i'm struggling to believe your confidence in your notascum read is real
i don't understand the difference between notascum's entrance and KJQ's entrance for one-
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How? I'm pushing my 2 scumreadsIn post 144, Klick wrote:
There's a few complicated things going into why I want my vote on Hu Tao at the minute that I think would do more harm than good to go into detail about right now. But a good summary of my suspicion there at this point is that I think Hu Tao is more focused on selling herself as genuine than she is on really finding town and scum.In post 140, KayJayQueue wrote: Thank you Political Clout and Klick for answering that for me.
Klick can you enlighten me on your Hu Tao vote? Was it just random? It feels like your vote started a bit of a trend. Or is literally everyone’s vote right now just random?-
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I'm so confident Naerys flips scum this game. Eliminate me and vote her out tomorrow. I agree with this.
VOTE: hu tao
She's contradicting herself. She does this as scum. She literally I'd saying the thing she did as town last game is now scummy when I do it.-
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It is worth the sacrifice to get 1 scum out the game. But only if it is agreed that she is the elimination tomorrow-
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Different things. I agree he shouldn't have done that on e-2 3 pages in. But in the last game I was in with him, i was hammered on page 3. So I get his reasoning for doing so if he felt the need to. Also Naerys was also in that game which is why her reasoning makes 0 senseIn post 158, Psyche wrote: from the feeling so threatened by a page 3 wagon that you burn a PR to the selfvote+"Eliminate me and vote her out tomorrow!" the whole playerlist seems awfully melodramatic this game-
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Well if town thinks I'm scum better for them to see I'm town and just vote out my scumread after. Last time Naerys was scum and I was town I literally had to beg for 3 pages for town to eliminate Naerys after I flipped town.In post 161, Psyche wrote:
that's really dumb! why would anyone agree to that? has an entire town ever agreed to that?In post 159, Hu Tao wrote: It is worth the sacrifice to get 1 scum out the game. But only if it is agreed that she is the elimination tomorrow
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In post 3422, Hu Tao wrote: 1 or 2 more for hammer. I probably die tonight. Good bye everyone. I think Naerys is last assuming Prince is scumIn post 3456, Hu Tao wrote: Last scum is likely not vanilla.
So enchant is prob town if he's confirmed vanilla.
I think Dunn and kyouko are town.
PoP is likely scum .
Broccoli by vibe is town but by play is sus.
Naerys is likely scum partner and should be the elim tomorrow assuming PoP is scumIn post 3461, Hu Tao wrote:
I trust your judgement tomorrow but please have naerys as the Elim tomorrow assuming pop is scumIn post 3437, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Naerys
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This is the alive list - 7 alive, 4 to hammer - Naerys, Hu Tao, BQ2 and I voted youIn post 3464, Hu Tao wrote:
I agree naerys is most susIn post 3445, Enchant wrote: I repeat kill Naerys tomorrow, she chained self to mafia claiming DOCTOR.
Naerys and fresh replacement may be reason why mafia didn't bother to skip kill, they are both just didn't knew hell about it.
And yes she was scum.In post 3469, Hu Tao wrote: I'll trust town to decide if naerys isn't scum. But yeah, that should be the vote tomorrow. Sorry for repeating myself so many times.-
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Well it won't matter when I flip town? So who cares. There is no mystery anymore.In post 163, Dannflor wrote: not helping the "more focused on selling yourself as genuine than finding scum" accusations-
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It's something she does as scum exclusivelyIn post 166, Dannflor wrote:
how often do you think this type of contradiction actually catches scumIn post 155, Hu Tao wrote: She's contradicting herself. She does this as scum. She literally I'd saying the thing she did as town last game is now scummy when I do it.-
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I've called her out on this before.
Context:
Same game where she was scumIn post 1889, Hu Tao wrote:
???In post 1878, Naerys wrote: Hu Tao vs Celebloki could contain a scum.
Hu Tao looks much worse, that slot is untrustworthy. Starting with her is less risky than limming potential useful town PR but also her flip gets plenty of useful info.
I wanted to go this way but allowed Broccoli and Hu to make me hesitate.
Out of the 3 i feel like Hu has the best chance of rolling scum.
VOTE: Hu Tao
Why would we contain a scum. Makes no sense. This is Naerys as scum to have this logic-
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Good point on klick I thought that post was weird at the time but I forgot about it.In post 171, davesaz wrote:In post 64, Random Nurse wrote:
That's an odd phrasing of words.
Also, what makes you think I'm Town?
Couple folks who mightIn post 66, Random Nurse wrote:In post 65, Naerys wrote: Help me yeet Hu and you will become solid town, nurse
Sell me on Hu-Hu first thanks.knowRN is a town wagon.-
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Also RN next time get this upset when it happens to someone else. So basically me last game.In post 83, Random Nurse wrote: So yeah, I AM pissed, and since I can't describe people accurately then yeah I'll insult their play.
Putting me to L-5 by page 4 with NO FUCKING REASON is BS. I can't trust any of you to use your brains. I could log in and be already hammered, because that's how some people operate. So yeah, I'm going to activate my IC ability because I can't trust people to play intelligently. All I got was snark and stupidity earlier so why risk it?-
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(I should clarify this is in jest, I thought it was funny last game and hold no ill will)In post 174, Hu Tao wrote:
Also RN next time get this upset when it happens to someone else. So basically me last game.In post 83, Random Nurse wrote: So yeah, I AM pissed, and since I can't describe people accurately then yeah I'll insult their play.
Putting me to L-5 by page 4 with NO FUCKING REASON is BS. I can't trust any of you to use your brains. I could log in and be already hammered, because that's how some people operate. So yeah, I'm going to activate my IC ability because I can't trust people to play intelligently. All I got was snark and stupidity earlier so why risk it?-
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Your defense is that it's bad yet it's literally facts that have links proving this.-
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In post 52, Naerys wrote: Kinda tempted to troll hammer tbhIn post 53, Naerys wrote:
This is Naerys reaction as town when it was E-1 on page 3 in last game. Drastically different this game. I wonder why?In post 55, Naerys wrote: My fingers are itching-
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Can you tell me what you gathered from that link?In post 183, NotAScum wrote:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Self-votingIn post 155, Hu Tao wrote: I'm so confident Naerys flips scum this game. Eliminate me and vote her out tomorrow. I agree with this.
VOTE: hu tao
She's contradicting herself. She does this as scum. She literally I'd saying the thing she did as town last game is now scummy when I do it.
VOTE: Hu Tao-
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This is a separate game. One where she was town. Last few quotes was when she was scum. Just showing this is how she reacted last game as town. She wanted to hammer. But this game she was very suspicious of people on the wagon. Which shows a clear differenceIn post 190, Political Clout wrote:
So just to be clear you caught naerys multiple times with this or is this all in just one game?In post 188, Hu Tao wrote:In post 52, Naerys wrote: Kinda tempted to troll hammer tbhIn post 53, Naerys wrote:
This is Naerys reaction as town when it was E-1 on page 3 in last game. Drastically different this game. I wonder why?In post 55, Naerys wrote: My fingers are itching-
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Then why difference here and last game?In post 192, Naerys wrote:
I can asure you scum!me would just sit with a bag of popcorn and watch that speedwagon forming from distance without commenting on it at allIn post 188, Hu Tao wrote:In post 52, Naerys wrote: Kinda tempted to troll hammer tbhIn post 53, Naerys wrote:
This is Naerys reaction as town when it was E-1 on page 3 in last game. Drastically different this game. I wonder why?In post 55, Naerys wrote: My fingers are itching-
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Not true. Show me another game where it was e-2 or e-1 on page 3 and how you reactedIn post 196, Naerys wrote:
There is plenty of games where i was wary of wagons and commented on it as town. Your argument is invalid. You are just picking what suits you.In post 193, Hu Tao wrote: This is a separate game. One where she was town. Last few quotes was when she was scum. Just showing this is how she reacted last game as town. She wanted to hammer. But this game she was very suspicious of people on the wagon. Which shows a clear difference-
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In post 18, Political Clout wrote:
VOTE: random nurseIn post 14, Dannflor wrote:In post 11, Random Nurse in this game wrote: I wonder what kind of heat Scum's packing this game.In post 11, Random Nurse in Mini Normal 2317 wrote: I'm surprised there's an IC in this game, so Scum is probably packing heat?
VOTE: KeyLaga
VOTE: Random Nurse
Dann cooking cookin
Also Naerys tell me why you think my vote is worse than PCs. When we say similar things.In post 54, Hu Tao wrote:
Cook him, bestie!In post 14, Dannflor wrote:In post 11, Random Nurse in this game wrote: I wonder what kind of heat Scum's packing this game.In post 11, Random Nurse in Mini Normal 2317 wrote: I'm surprised there's an IC in this game, so Scum is probably packing heat?
VOTE: KeyLaga
VOTE: Random Nurse
VOTE: Random Nurse
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Yeah I know I just thought it was funnyIn post 203, Random Nurse wrote:In post 174, Hu Tao wrote:
Also RN next time get this upset when it happens to someone else. So basically me last game.In post 83, Random Nurse wrote: So yeah, I AM pissed, and since I can't describe people accurately then yeah I'll insult their play.
Putting me to L-5 by page 4 with NO FUCKING REASON is BS. I can't trust any of you to use your brains. I could log in and be already hammered, because that's how some people operate. So yeah, I'm going to activate my IC ability because I can't trust people to play intelligently. All I got was snark and stupidity earlier so why risk it?
I did not want you hammered. Mine was a pressure vote: the other players ensured you were hammered.
I can vote for you but NOT want you eliminated right then. Does that make sense?-
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So basically because he checked the thread before I did.In post 204, Naerys wrote: PC vote was rvs imo, but psyche´s yours and geraintm´s? All those votes are sus. I just feel the worst about yours but the other 2 will certainly get their due aswell.
The thing is, me as townie would never put my RVS vote on person that already has 2 votes or more.It feels like a tree trying to hide itselrf in a forest-
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So you're saying that me and him did the same thing as partners. And you're saying that if I flip town you wouldn't? Seems like a weird takeIn post 217, Aristeia wrote:
I don't really know much about PC, I guess he could also be mafia. If you flip mafia he'd probably be the first place I look.In post 200, Hu Tao wrote: Also Naerys tell me why you think my vote is worse than PCs. When we say similar things.
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Wrong. I want to see if people are voting for actual reasons. What do you think of all of the things I said on Naerys?In post 221, Aristeia wrote: the way you're framing the question feels like something mafia would say tho.
"why is this person's vote not as bad as mine" feels like something mafia say when they feel like they are being unfairly targeted when they think their play is the same as everyone else.
truth be told I voted you because you had the most votes and you had a sus looking hop on to the wagon, I didn't really bother trying to figure out which vote on the wagon was the most sus or whatever, I just saw two votes on you, checked your iso and decided it was a decent place to start.-
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AGREEDIn post 245, davesaz wrote: I think Naerys' approach to Hu Tao feels like starting from a conclusion and finding evidence, vs the opposite.-
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I should be at E-1 now I think. Remember after you see me flip town to vote Naerys tomorrow or I'll be pretty upset.-
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Interesting because I didn't vote you at first, I voted NotAScum. So why would you think this?In post 252, Naerys wrote:
Funnily enough you described me the way i feel about Hu - she came to conclusion and now she is looking for evidence.In post 245, davesaz wrote: I think Naerys' approach to Hu Tao feels like starting from a conclusion and finding evidence, vs the opposite.-
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Don't you think it's more likely that scum was off the wagon for RN than on? If not how come?In post 254, Aristeia wrote:
if you flip town I'd probably examine Naerys because she's the one you're 100% convinced is mafia who is pushing you.In post 249, Hu Tao wrote: So you're saying that me and him did the same thing as partners. And you're saying that if I flip town you wouldn't? Seems like a weird take
There's also issues with like, who pushed you, who defended you, who the nightkill is, what role info comes up etc.
The reason I'd go towards looking at PC if you flip mafia is because I can see you doing this as a kind of weird distancing thing to your partner.-
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That's not my intention, sorry if it comes off this way. I'm just saying that I'm okay with being eliminated, if my scumread is too. I wouldn't do this if I thought it wouldn't happen otherwiseIn post 256, Naerys wrote:
Emotional blackmail? REALLY?In post 253, Hu Tao wrote: I should be at E-1 now I think. Remember after you see me flip town to vote Naerys tomorrow or I'll be pretty upset.-
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This isn't a tactic or play. I'm just trying to do an equal exchange. In my mind once I flip town maybe people will see what I mean.In post 259, Klick wrote: I find this tactic really obnoxious and would appreciate if you avoided it in the future
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If I'm being honest I would self vote as scum but probably wouldn't say the stuff I'm saying in terms of getting Naerys tomorrow. So I can see how that's manipulative now. Sorry and this wasn't my intention and I won't do it again in the future. I should see how other perspective would see it, not just myself. Now I feel bad.In post 265, Dannflor wrote:
that just seems to assume hu tao is a specific brand of scum playerIn post 261, Klick wrote: Like this kind of behavior is very self-focused and you're not that self-focused when your wincon is attached to two other known players
i don't think that's generally true about scum players
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Well this is just falseIn post 267, Naerys wrote:
First you talked about how i am scum and then went to a previous game to support your statementIn post 263, Hu Tao wrote:
Interesting because I didn't vote you at first, I voted NotAScum. So why would you think this?In post 252, Naerys wrote:
Funnily enough you described me the way i feel about Hu - she came to conclusion and now she is looking for evidence.In post 245, davesaz wrote: I think Naerys' approach to Hu Tao feels like starting from a conclusion and finding evidence, vs the opposite.
In post 97, Hu Tao wrote: It was a good vote imo. No regrets there and would do it againIn post 102, Hu Tao wrote:
Okay well. This post was the 2nd post I didn't like. Seems like new scum. I feel the nervousness in this post. Trying to blend inIn post 52, NotAScum wrote: Good morning fellow townies! This game looks really complex to me.In post 103, Hu Tao wrote: VOTE: NotAScum
I think this is my preferred vote.
I also think I'm more weary of scum being off that wagon. Scum knew RN was town so they probably soft defended to gain townie pointsIn post 119, Hu Tao wrote:
How would scum know RN was a pr? This makes no sense.In post 112, Naerys wrote:
No, scum wants as many town PRs to oust as possible. Thats why i am pretty sure atleast 1 scum, maybe 2 scums were on Nurse.In post 103, Hu Tao wrote: I also think I'm more weary of scum being off that wagon. Scum knew RN was town so they probably soft defended to gain townie points
Naerysmightbe scum-
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But you're saying that I mafr a conclusion and then started to find it after. I did not. In fact I still wanted to vote NAS before you-
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I agree with the latterIn post 287, Random Nurse wrote: Probably 2 Scum on my wagon. Could be just 1. Assuming there's 3 I'm thinking for sure 1 maybe 2 were off my wagon.-
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How so?In post 290, Doctor Drew wrote: Imo, this does feel a bit like scumHu in the JOAT game that just ended-
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Kay feels town to me so far-
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Fair, I think you're town so farIn post 297, Doctor Drew wrote:
You were kinda flailing when people were calling you scum there, this self vote thing has hints of that same energy.In post 291, Hu Tao wrote:
How so?In post 290, Doctor Drew wrote: Imo, this does feel a bit like scumHu in the JOAT game that just ended-
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That game I kinda had to cause chaos d2 cause our scum team mate n1 put us in autoloss without realizing it. But I can see where you'd think it's similar-
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Seems like a new player that wants to discuss but doesn't know how.In post 300, davesaz wrote:In post 295, Hu Tao wrote: Kay feels town to me so far
How do you see Kay as anything but null?In post 296, Klick wrote:Same-
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How often does this really happen? Like seriously, I always here coaching from teammates but I've literally never seen 1 example.In post 306, Doctor Drew wrote:
I am with Dave here, if they are scum they can easily be coached by their buddies on how to post and what questions to ask.In post 305, Hu Tao wrote:
Seems like a new player that wants to discuss but doesn't know how.In post 300, davesaz wrote:In post 295, Hu Tao wrote: Kay feels town to me so far
How do you see Kay as anything but null?In post 296, Klick wrote:Same-
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Not many that I rememberIn post 318, Doctor Drew wrote:
Probably not common outside of the newbie games, but now there aren't newbie games......how many games have you been scum with a newbie?In post 316, Hu Tao wrote:
How often does this really happen? Like seriously, I always here coaching from teammates but I've literally never seen 1 example.In post 306, Doctor Drew wrote:
I am with Dave here, if they are scum they can easily be coached by their buddies on how to post and what questions to ask.In post 305, Hu Tao wrote:
Seems like a new player that wants to discuss but doesn't know how.In post 300, davesaz wrote:In post 295, Hu Tao wrote: Kay feels town to me so far
How do you see Kay as anything but null?In post 296, Klick wrote:Same-
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I feel new scum would not sound as naturalIn post 319, davesaz wrote:
True enough, but the question is how is that AI?In post 305, Hu Tao wrote: Seems like a new player that wants to discuss but doesn't know how.-
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Okay, sure. But I've done reads like this before, this is the first time I'm getting any push back so it's interesting-
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Doctor Drew - towny
Naerys - scummy
Hu Tao - hu taown
Random Nurse - Town
NotAScum - scum
Aristeia - unsure, maybe slightly towny
geraintm - gera
Political Clout - unsure
Klick - unsure
KayJayQueue - town
Dannflor - unsure
davesaz - probably town
Psyche - the slightest of towny
This is where I'd say I'm at right now-
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