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I’m going to solve in the interim but I can also hold a conversation with you.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Aya what do you need from me for you to narrow your pool from Yuuka, Kagerou, Kaguya, Reisen. To that minus me?
You had already asked me to show that I’m town, but I don’t really think I succeeded there.
I am aware of what Koushi said at the end of the day phase. They were wrong and, well, yeah I’m sure you realize what happened there.
For those at home that might have missed what happened yesterday.
I said I blew my spell card N1.
Marisa either did not read those posts, reaction tested and was going to withdraw or alter the wording later, or they didn’t read their role/ forgoteither due to illness or something else.
They did not communicate that they had a vote multiplier before popping it, which scared both town and scum(or scum had a delayed rxn if team is kage/Reisen). They crashed due to illness and so couldn’t clarify that they had not made a mistake to force an elimination through.
Due to the time component it was rushed though, whether it actually made sense to assume Marisa made a mistake due to illness is hard to know from town or scum standpoint.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Yes, I understood that, that’s part of the reason I voted with you.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Kaguya did you target yourself?In post 5748, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: So I have 2 pieces of information, kind of. Kaguya targeted themselves last night. Doesn’t make them not!scum it just makes them not the one performing nightkills.
This also means either scum can’t roleblock anymore OR kaguya is the roleblocker and blocked themselves.
I haven’t looked back on the claims list but I think it can be narrowed down since multiple spell cards can’t be used the same night. Actives can be used with spell cards though.
Mech mommy tell me what it means.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Additional question Reissn, did you pop your ability for player to force them to target themselves?
Because you should have popped it given it was melo and no one claimed a killing role.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Oh, I see Reisen made you target yourself. So either they did the kill, they’re lying and you did the kill or kagerou did the kill.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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That’s fine. I make my own solves in melo/elo, but it’s an ego thing not a “I must have this go my way no matter what” thing just because I wanna give a solve before winning/losing to be accountable to myselfIn post 5761, Aya Shameimaru wrote: Okay can we agree that no townie should be voting on a wagon without me today?Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Got it. Thank you.In post 5773, Aya Shameimaru wrote: I am telling you that you don't get to decide who dies today. I do.
Yeah, that’s fine.
Good luck.
I will be adjacent trying to figure the game out after work. I will avoid trying to influence you in that respect.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Glad to see your WIM is intact.
I’m not even sure how I’m supposed to ask you or differentiate between: you came up with what would save you.
At work with constant interruptions so I can’t really engage right now.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Well that was poorly worded.
I meant how you construed the Marisa Lim served you well. If someone took an opportunity handed to them, it was pretty much you.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Don’t get it.In post 5793, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
No I mean think about it: if it's Reisen/Kagerou then you admitting to not be roleblocked immediately turns the game into a TvT 1v1. At that point looking like you're going slow is where you wanna be, especially if scum had multiple blocks and blocked the spellcard.In post 5791, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Well that was poorly worded.
I meant how you construed the Marisa Lim served you well. If someone took an opportunity handed to them, it was pretty much you.
Killing Marisa there due to player error when Marisa was either voting you or Reisen benefits you.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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In post 5795, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
Either people are bloodthirsty and the lim goes through fast without scum intervention in which case being off wagon is where you want to beIn post 5794, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Don’t get it.
Killing Marisa there due to player error when Marisa was either voting you or Reisen benefits you.
or people aren't bloodthirsty in which case you can't insta-force a lim through and being on wagon just looks bad
Blood thirstiness is not the gradient of choice in terms of figuring out who is scum.
Yes, there is some level of maneuvering/niche occupying.
But the level of risk taken in being in either of those positions isn’t paralyzing. For most scum.
Which returns me to the underlying point, it would have been risky to lead the wagon. But Marisa’s power changed the math there.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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And just like that Aya has gone from 50/50 to 66% chance of hitting scum.
Is it even possible to win here if Reisen is town. I don’t know if they can show they’re town tbh.
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5815 i disagree with. Kagerou can be scum, but not really for those posts. It’s too subtle to really tell. You say it’s a strong tone but to me, it’s barely a whisper, if that.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Job stuff. Whether they’d have played this way as town while having job stuff as opposed to scum stuff is only a meta thing and I’d be hard pressed even for players I’m familiar with to bet right on that.In post 5812, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: Lurking out day 2 with zero attempt to solve is also where I'd expect scum to be wrt SanaeOh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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The justification of the shot is hard for me. I don’t have much experience with scum vigs. To me the tone was a little wonky, they neither came off as super defensive nor did it seem, like they did anything with the shot.
I might be projecting but usually my reads change/twist based on a shot because you try to justify a miss. Or go with a shot that, at least, gives you high information.
Tenshi wasn’t really that.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Hypothetical:
Reisen: if you’re town the scum team is exactly Kagerou/Kaguya. If you look into it you may be able to put the pieces together. I can’t because I’m not you.
Kaguya: if you’re town the scum team is exactly kagerou/Kaguya. Why are you going after Kagerou first?
Kagerou: if you’re town the scum team is exactly Kaguya/Reisen. If you can, I hope that clicks for you.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Sigh, Kagerou/reisen.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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I do find the unlikeliest team to be Kagerou/Kaguya.
One small thing is mech spec complaining being kind of a weird push on your scum partner.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Points please. No this isn’t a scum brag thing or a wink thing. I just want levels of confidence.In post 5803, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
{Yuuka}In post 5801, Aya Shameimaru wrote: Okay here is my base thought right now.
I never wanna kill Yuuka.
I always think Reisen is scum.
And I'm deciding wherher I want to murder Kaguya or Kagerou, or if I just cop out and murder the caught scum and let y'all decide what to do about that tomorrow.
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is around where I'm at. Wanna go for the ego play and kill Kagerou here?Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Intentional how?In post 5826, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote:
The fact I can fit with any team, you included, seems intentional, no?In post 5821, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Hypothetical:
Reisen: if you’re town the scum team is exactly Kagerou/Kaguya. If you look into it you may be able to put the pieces together. I can’t because I’m not you.
Kaguya: if you’re town the scum team is exactly kagerou/Kaguya. Why are you going after Kagerou first?
Kagerou: if you’re town the scum team is exactly Kaguya/Reisen. If you can, I hope that clicks for you.
I can look into kagerou, don’t think you have to sell me that hard on kaguya. Even if you’re scum one of them is as well. I can do this.
Again I think day 1 is when I felt most grounded in this game, so it mostly comes down to do I think scum was playing around the wagons because they were all on town or was larva shifting to save kagerou.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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If you’re town, Reisen is literally scum.
So.
5832: that was at the beginning of their job trouble though. They’re going to, at least explain themselves if they can. About their shot.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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I’m not going to be selling anyone on anything this day phase ReisenOh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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This is we need to hit scum time, not we need to do what’s best for Kaguya time.
A genuine look at Reisen is necessary here.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Why must I work to live. I wanna Iso Reisen.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Well my votes slaved. So technically it does not matter. But I’d really appreciate a look at Reisen.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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I’ve never seen anyone ever do what Kagerou did this day phase.
If there’s one thing that is going to result in a town loss Kage, I mean besides hitting the other town, it’s being completely absent today and then posting in a dead zone at the end.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Is scum by PoE a thing in melo.
I guess low key I do that but to me the idea of PoE in melo is scary. And it just makes it hard to figure out if you’re afraid of interacting/casing them in case they mess up or they as the remaining town turn against you.
Ah, while very self aware. I think the idea of a Yuuka/kagerou. And Yuuka/Kaguya scum team don’t make sense. Just given how much we’ve talked to each other and the interactions therein.
Which leaves Yuuka/Reisen as Reisen helpfully pointed out. So that begs the question of why I’m specifically asking you two to look at Reisen. When that serves scum me just fine to just let you not do that.
Ah. Interruptions. Love em’Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Ah.
Shit.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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I said why I thought Dai was town in a bunch of different posts.
In terms of the nk, yeah sure.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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In post 312, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: Reading more but adhd might kick in. I’ve got yuuka, ichirin, tenshi, Marisa, sanae in my town kinda pile and kagerou/dai in my ew pile.In post 313, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote:
This might be the only read that’s made me smile. Town sticker.In post 175, Koishi Komeiji wrote: I think Sanae's reads are fake because Kagerou is my only townread so farIn post 314, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote:
No thoughts I want to share about this right now is just like to keep this post in my pocket for a rainy day.In post 210, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: I just don't find many reasons to vote for Koishi, and also feel like they will step up soon (or like, i hope, i'd be able to reconsider if things stay like they are)
175 has also reached straight for my tiny little sensitive heart i'll admit, and i feel like it's a very real thought to have (basically maybe it's not very justified, but it rings true and goes against what Scum!Koishi would be immediatly enclined to do)In post 318, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote:
Go a little deeper on this because I think from koichi and ichirins interactions, koichi has a clear mindset behind their posting and it tracks pretty well.In post 304, Eternity Larva wrote: of Clown, Yuuka, and Koishi, i think Koishi looks the worst by a large margin
and deserves more votes for their transgressionsIn post 323, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: I still buy ichirin can be town. But the flash wagon is perfectly fine and if I was active around the time I probably would have voted there too.In post 325, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote:
They aren’t going to be for the same reasons cuz I’m super selfish and the world revolves around me but.In post 322, Eternity Larva wrote: Reisen can you elaborate on your 'ew' pile? Our reads seem to align in that regard but i want to know why you feel that way
I thought kagerou putting me in their town core off just my ascetic claim was super weird. Marisa piggybacked on but I get their mindset because I’m also predisposed to town reading lighthearted jokey slots especially early in games. So reads genuine.
Kagerous read felt more like my name was thrown in there for the out of the box factor, because that’s just what townies do.
Dai felt more upset that I was being considered townie for doing nothing and I could see that as more scum frustration. So could I can see multiple worlds there.
I don’t think they are together.In post 326, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: Also I’ll add that I’ve lightened up on the kagerou read solely because of koishi who has shot up to one of my stronger townreads.
I had a pet theory that kagerou was OVERLY familiar with koishi, suggesting they were in a pt together.
I quoted the post but it seemed Fmpov that kagerou had a bead on who koishi was and that would have to come from more correspondence than was in the thread because I don’t think they had much interaction before that point?
But I’m at the point where I feel strongly that koishi is town and I’m just chasing ghosts there.In post 386, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: Not game advancing but I really like the dynamic of Yuuka being fine with murdering everyone and Marisa is the polar opposite. Made me giggle.In post 427, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: I’ll reread sanae, I remember something they posted and just going yup that’s town.
But I don’t even remember what that was or anything else they’ve said.In post 495, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: No one else replace or my hydra dissonance hate is going to max out and there’s only one a yas on these accounts!
VOTE: KaguyaIn post 518, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: I usually scumread all ascetic claims but I think with the anon setup I’m pretty pleased with slots claiming it here. Roles may not be alignment indicative but slots being proactive in making night actions more easily navigable by town is appreciated I’m sure.In post 520, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: We also aren’t going to do the condescending language. Just so we are at a mutual understanding.In post 544, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote:
It’s fine, it’s done. There will be more scum hunting, probably.In post 525, Koishi Komeiji wrote:
Yeah I was going to sleep but I didn't want to leave this out there so.In post 520, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: We also aren’t going to do the condescending language. Just so we are at a mutual understanding.
I apologize. My frustrations boiled over and I apologize. The condescending language is recalled, but not my objections.
I thought I had a pretty good winning lotto ticket but then it blew away in the wind.In post 556, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote:In post 341, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: Liking Koishi on page 9 and Aya's roleplaying has already pocketed me
Yeah I was hoping something deeper than the reads you dropped.In post 343, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: I have reason to believe Dai is town
But I was more curious why koishi and aya got at least a brief reasoning but dai didnt.In post 557, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote:
Proud of you.In post 555, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: great job Kagerou you're both admitting and not admitting in the same line, you idiotIn post 558, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: If I had a horse, I’d bet it on Marisa being town and that this statement will in no way come back to bite me in any way.In post 559, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: Kagerou is not kaguya…kagerou is not kaguya…In post 573, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: If it’s based on old koishi I get it. The read switches around the rep in are interesting but not in a “scum are playing around it” kind of way.In post 645, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote:
Anyway, focusing on Ichirin I find myself agreeing with the clown. Koichi might have been on to something and I brushed that half of the conversation aside.In post 619, Clownpiece wrote: I am gonna largely pretend that that last Sanae and Aya exchange does not exist, because engaging with it feels icky, but
I have seen this voiced a couple times (it may have been Aya both times, but I *think* it was actually someone else the first time, but I have not looked back).In post 600, Aya Shameimaru wrote: I'm saying that if Ichirin was scum she came out and chose violence.
But like... my interpretation of Ichirin's response was the exact opposite. Her response did feel like it was designed to appease her voters, but it just back fired.
She immediately went and found a New and Novel thing to be suspicious of, and double and tripled down on it (to a silly degree imo), when the main accusation was that there was no sign of solving from her, and it felt like she was avoiding questioning her voters - like her goal was just to change our minds.
It was not until Yuuka kept being so aggressive that she started to snap back at one of her voters.
But I didn’t like how little interest ichirin showed in pursuing their voters till yuuka bit in. Eternity being a teammate makes sense to me and brings it all in together. I didn’t really see them calling out eternity as alignment indicative in the moment, just a weird way to look at the game. I see the theater potential though.In post 649, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: Yeah I gave it a little bit of rope for similar reasons Aya but it’s still going to lead me wherever it leads to.
Also yeah I think a break from the conversation would do all of you a little good.In post 650, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: I like the reporter bit, maybe the one off commentary isn’t a good format for the game though.
The news is modernizing.In post 983, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: I was reading along last night but had 0 energy to post so.In post 985, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: @Eternity, the long and short is that I don’t like your interaction with the ichirin scuffle, it came off as intentionally positional, you also have slight partner equity, and I didn’t like your interactions with the previous koichi.
But, new koichi is also playing intentionally positionally. So I can see at least one of you, ichirin, koichi being scum. I’m like 95 percent sure I know who new koichi is and I’m trying to separate the player from the slot but I don’t think that’s going to work for me. So even if I think they are scum there is a slim slim chance they get limmed in the near future.
If they are town I want them on my side, so I’d feel better sorting in you/ichirin first and figuring it out from there.
Also feel like koichi can sniff out who I am off this post but that’s fine I guess.
Going to get back to this. Their day one play is a lot more interesting than I remember.In post 986, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: Nothing popped out to me. I’m sure last night was more impactful for the players that could interact with each other real time though, so that’s nice.
I did see someone make a comment about the game state being slow and scum being content with its direction and that did ring some alarms.
That’s the type of indirect truth statements scum like to pull out for some town credit at some point. I don’t know who said it but side eye.
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Why did Reisen drop off after day one?
They acknowledge they did.
But no reason given(?).Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Why not? You can be wrong, can’t you?In post 5849, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: If Kagerou is the townie then I'm not finding her anyways this game, so I'm not gonna optimize for that world
One of the few town points I have for Kagerou town(this one) is that they have not tried to please me.
Another is that they’ve been near aggressively discrediting themselves. You come off as competent. They do not. It’s almost to the point of parody though. So it just gives me a head ache.
I don’t understand why scum them would a. Not read. B. Not talk to their partner first about basic facts of the game before taking action. C. Fake not reading the game. D. Completely lose the plot on basic melo play. They must realize that it is an awful idea to get an unexplained message and act on it in melo right?
Yet they didn’t make an excuse or say it was a reaction test. It’s just so, fucking weird.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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The only difference to slave voting and not slave voting here is that I haven’t been threatening people not to vote before I do. Nor have I tried to get people to cross vote who I suspect or start getting them on that path.In post 5852, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
Like metaphor time: you gotta treat it like watching a chess engine sack their queen for a hidden checkmate in 17. It's not a "human" move, in most cases sacking your queen (not sorting Reisen in ELO) is suboptimal, but in this specific case it's more optimal for me specifically because I know I'm town.In post 5843, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Is scum by PoE a thing in melo.
I guess low key I do that but to me the idea of PoE in melo is scary. And it just makes it hard to figure out if you’re afraid of interacting/casing them in case they mess up or they as the remaining town turn against you.
It's very specifically a playstyle divergence. You've slaved your vote to Aya so the only thing you can really do is solve, I'm openly deciding to get Aya to vote in a way that maximizes town winrate and as a result this kind of stuff is gonna happen
Aya did that first part first.
I would actually not consider that a play style divergence given I’ve been posting with that reasoning since I think 2 day phases ago. It ties in to the whole “I’m not going to let myself be killed like Sanae did”
Albeit I still don’t think they did. But you know, they could’ve fought harder is I guess was their point.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Oh, that’s funny they might've added themselves and their scum partner in the list and then said there was only one scum in it.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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First Kagerou seemed to enjoy claiming scum in thread. They did it a few times.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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/: \: |::::In post 5868, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: That’s cheeky I didn’t consider that.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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385 kinda sucks in retrospect.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Why are you looking at Kagerou first Reisen?Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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So, you’re saying that you’re looking at who you’re town reading for reasons to change your mind?Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Or the opposite.
Loopy.
Why would you not feel bad about voting Kaguya?Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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I’m less worried about your read of me than I probably should be. Tbh.In post 5874, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote:
Cuz I could easily vote kaguya and not feel that bad about it. Also kinda think kagerou is just town. So I guess I’m looking for a reason to townread you via kagerou in a way? If I’m wrong that’s where I’m wrong so that’s where my focus is.In post 5873, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Why are you looking at Kagerou first Reisen?Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Okay, so you’re checking to make sure it’s not kagerou/Kaguya(?).Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Initial post got lost. : X.In post 5879, Aya Shameimaru wrote: I am checking for that world too tbh Yuuka.
Generally it’s a possibility. On the surface I don’t really see it, because just as a rule of thumb it makes more sense for Kaguya to try to kill Kagerou here and now. I see Reisen:Kaguya as most likely in terms of scum pairings. While I struggle to see Kagerou as paired with anyone.
I guess kagerou is heading my way? Maybe, I’m not sure if they meant to say it, but they heavily implied they wouldn’t post much today and would try in elo. Which, solo, would not be an option for them.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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It was you/Reisen.In post 5895, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: Though this would still point to whoever Marisa scumread being scum, which would be Yuuka/Reisen?
I was third.
I think.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Already sunk your credibility tbh.In post 5888, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: Kaguya, if you're town, there's something that should give you pause on me. Dai had a mound of evidence against them (even though Dai was town). Why would scum!me shoot my main suspect with one elimination to go effectively ruining my credibility?
You talk a lot about strategic moves and that one doesn't make sense.
It also doesn't make sense not to resort Riesen here.
I'm agreeing with Yuuka as of now, but far from locked in. Yuuka/Riesen can also be a thing. Tbh, I can see Reisen with anyone.
But yes, it did undercut you.
I’m not sure if that was a benefit or not.
I didn’t benefit from it simply because I’m town.
It did benefit Kaguya though.
But the scum team also held out on killing Koushi/Aya for awhile.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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To be fair, if you don’t read the thread you will not hear any arguments, period.In post 5893, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote:
Dai fmpov had none and all the dead suspected Dai so maybe I'm not the best judge. I didn't hear a single reason to townread Dai.In post 5890, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
I townread Dai pretty heavily, what was even the case there? Actually probably doesn't matter compared to how likely Dai was to getting limmed. I'm phoneposting rn, what were the Dai stances before the shot?In post 5888, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: Dai had a mound of evidence against them (even though Dai was town). Why would scum!me shoot my main suspect with one elimination to go effectively ruining my credibility?
I think Dai was killed to frame me tbh rather than Dai's reads.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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It can be a thing. I just don’t see any positioning that really favors that interpretation in the game.In post 5887, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: Kagerou can you case the Yuuka/Reisen world?
Yuuka why isn't Kagerou/Reisen a thing?
Reisen why am I scum?
You’re not at risk. My shot is slaved. You’re only at risk if Aya thinks you’re scum, not if I do.
Right now, I’m stuck in repeatedly considering whether “I’m surprised Marisa is still alive, after claiming multi-voter/whatever”.
I forgot exactly what you said. But it just feels wrong to me.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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What are you even agreeing with me about?In post 5888, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: Kaguya, if you're town, there's something that should give you pause on me. Dai had a mound of evidence against them (even though Dai was town). Why would scum!me shoot my main suspect with one elimination to go effectively ruining my credibility?
You talk a lot about strategic moves and that one doesn't make sense.
It also doesn't make sense not to resort Riesen here.
I'm agreeing with Yuuka as of now, but far from locked in. Yuuka/Riesen can also be a thing. Tbh, I can see Reisen with anyone.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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How is that easy? It’s the second hardest win for you by a town you country mile.In post 5885, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: Oh I'm actually a viable lim today here.
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That’s a problem for tomorrow you.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Not to mention it’s just an easy town point thing. Caution preaching is something I do as either alignment and it’s fairly simple to do.In post 5881, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
When the anti-fishing is anti-fishing their own role no not reallyIn post 5866, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: - Anti-fishing town indicative
1. Spot town or scum saying something careless or something that might give the scum team an advantage.
2. Admonish them.
3. Profit.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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This does indeed bother me a lot. + your 180 read on Reisen because yes their theme interferes with people, but not likeIn post 5693, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: idk why we're even entertaining Marisa when she's claiming a block spellcard and quadvotered at 7pthatyou know?
Reisen needs to be scum if you’re town.
But that brings me back to, why’d they misread Reisen, like *that?* You know?Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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I really am going to harp on you for not looking at Reisen. It’s not the kind of thing I want to see in a melo situation because it just looks like you’re partners with them.
You know that Kagerou doesn’t look like partners with you, you brought it up yourself that it was unlikely.
So why mess up like this unless it’s just that you’re aiming straight for the goal post.
(I realize I am being annoying, sorry).Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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And before you say I am aiming for the goal post: the *town* goal post .
I want you to consider what would get in the way of the last town member finding you. It’s pretty much Reisen.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Sitting at Kaguya = Reisen > Kagerou.
I have to figure this out. /:Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Speaking of hindsight. Has Reisen commented much on the thematic elements this game?Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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I’ll check, but asking first. I have work this morning. Thankfully only for an hour or two.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Nah. You’re scum for this post I think.In post 5752, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote:
Someone said she was quadvoter, I checked the vc and it said 4 votes to kill so I just thought I was dead. I don’t think it needs to be said to kill Marisa after I flip. Which clears you if they had flipped scum but. We’re here instead.In post 5743, Yuuka Kazami wrote: I’m not sure how to interpret Reisen’s am I dead? Post. I see that Marisa voted them then popped their ability so I get where they’re coming from. From that angle
I’m not sure if that’s the natural town response to that, since a town’s person usually would throw suspicion somewhere if they weren’t sure or struggle in some manner, perhaps with a read’s list or something. I think there may be an angle of possible relief and vague amusement in their fingers crossed post. But that’s reading into them, when it’s just not really there.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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Shit, why didn’t you immediately suspect Reisen of trying to bring you down with them when they said they made you self-target?
In addition, you seemed to want to kill Reisen first at the beginning of the day then shifted to Kagerou, why?Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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