Trust me, this game will be so much better if we get a policy lynch in here right away. I mean, come on, it's Ythan.
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I'm in Hawaii time and also like both/and for RVS and RQS. I have been playing mafia off and on on another site for like a year now, but also will play a lot of quickgames. I tend to be pretty active in that I keep up on the thread but tend to make a few longer posts rather than a lot of shorter posts.
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Trust me, this game will be so much better if we get a policy lynch in here right away. I mean, come on, it's Ythan.vote conspiracy-
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Umbrage wrote: I like this guy already.
Thanks for sharing. Considering there's so much discussion as to whether Xtoxm was contributing by only answering the questions, what do you make of Ythan only answering the questions and not voting? Are you letting Ythan off the hook because you find him amusing?vote conspiracy-
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DarthYoshi wrote:@Krazy--so you're going to change your reasons for a vote just to keep a vote on a person you don't like? Lamesauce.
What gave you the impression I don't like Ythan? A policy lynch doesn't have to be emotionally influenced, and although Ythan characterized it that way, it's interesting that you pick up with it so easily. Ythan is the sort of person that likes to characterize other players as angry whenever they confront him over his agonism. He attempts to equate any problem with him as a personal attack or emotionally motivated. That does not mean I actually dislike him, despite what he apparently wants you to believe.
Do you have a problem with my current vote on Ythan? You have no problem with him not voting? Are you now ignoring both non-votes or being selective?vote conspiracy-
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DarthYoshi wrote:Your ISO, brief though it is, certainly gives the impression that you don't particularly care for him. If my characterization was inaccurate, my heartiest apologies.
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Neither. Commenting on every single thing is something I have neither the time or inclination to do. Tell me why him not RVSing is scummy. If you want me to hop onto that wagon, convince me.Krazy:Are you now ignoring both non-votes or being selective?
I'm not Ythan's best friend, for sure, but I don't particularly dislike him either.
As for the RVS, he popped in, answered the RQS, and bolted. No vote. No commentary on anyone else's votes. Absolutely no position to be held accountable for at any point in the rest of the game. Yes, I think that's scummy, in addition to being really uninformative for the town.vote conspiracy-
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I don't really like Umbrage's 39 either, but people are just ignoring my questions about Ythan. I don't like Xtoxm and Ythan doing nothing, the less they participate the easier it is for them to become free night-kill targets for the scum, or even worse be cruising scum themselves. Even if Umbrage is scum, which I'm still not sure of, he certainly has to have allies. I am not just filled with overpowering rage, Ythan has no relational tells whatsoever and at least Xtoxm was discussed by a few people. I am fine with my vote until Ythan comes back or is replaced.vote conspiracy-
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Well I obviously didn't start with the "Who isn't participating," I moved there when a bunch of people weren't participating. As for RVS, I always focus on one person first until I feel like I can get some relational tells out of them, which you continue to refuse to provide. Although it's true that I could focus on other people in the game, it's also true YOU could comment on the other players and actions in the game.vote conspiracy-
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I retracted the policy lynch days ago, Umbrage, and pressuring a lurker to participate is not at all out-of-hand. The preponderance of lurkers does not give one more sway than the others, and in fact a lurker who comes in to post only to say they are going to say something only to then not say anything is actually more scummy to me than a pure lurker.
Interesting that you want to characterize my critique of Ythan as a "marital dispute" though. Do you want to reward players for not participating? That's a wonderfully pro-town policy right there. Or are you only trying to distract from your own problems in this game?vote conspiracy-
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Honestly it is REALLY hard to make sense of Umbrage. He completely ignored my query about Ythan, which makes him tunneling already if nothing else, and although often I have seen CAPSRAGE posts coming from flailing town, Umbrage seems to be taking it to the next level with a relatively early wagon on him.
Scum-flailing to appear as badly-written town-flailing or just really bad town-flailing? In any case, he is coming off as the biggest troll in the thread, which is making me think he's town LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO GRASP AT.
So, grudgingly, Umbrage is hovering "greenish" in my view. But I don't think the wagon on him is unjustified, at least not wholly, which again is pushing me toward the lurkers, who with the wagon on Umbrage have absolutely no reason to participate until Umbrage has flailed himself into a dead-lock vote, at which point they can join the wagon more or less without question.
But then, it also hasn't been THAT LONG, so although the lurkers (yes, including Ythan, but Quaroth, Xtoxm, and TBL too) are lurky, once they start posting my suspicion of them will likely change. However, until they get some relational tells that won't just make them nk-bait if they aren't scum, all four of them are at the top of my list.
But, Abel, why are you asking ME this, and not Ythan, who REALLY has engaged no one else except to dismiss my case against him? Not saying you shouldn't ask me, but why one and not the other?vote conspiracy-
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That is not a post that is not in direct reaction to me.
Why do you pop in only when I address other players, Ythan? Who is the one tunneling here? You QQ about me tunneling you then only respond when I start to address other players. What's up with that? What is YOUR take on Umbrage, since apparently you have read their iso and have rich thoughts on the subject?vote conspiracy-
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Then what is tunneling? What is lurking? Define both terms please, if you're going to accuse me of not knowing what they mean. And while you're at it, why don't you explain what a relational tell is.
Or instead of doing that, why don't you catch up on Umbrage OR ANYONE and give an actual opinion on anyone other than myself?vote conspiracy-
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And you know that the three people with less than two votes are AFK and not lurking because?
I did not ask you to read every player in iso. I did not ask you to read ANY player in iso. I asked you to make some contribution to the game other than responding to whatever I say to you. I asked you to play the game, since apparently you have the time to respond to me.
I notice that you didn't actually disagree with my assessment of Umbrage either, instead you merely called it ironic. Why don't you kick it up a notch. Am I scummy for saying those "ironic" things? Since you seem to refuse to respond to Umbrage himself, what about my assessment of Umbrage?vote conspiracy-
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Ythan wrote:Not participating in RVS (explained in my post) and not casting a vote (equally meaningless).
Is RVS meaningless, or just not participating it? Why do you break this up into two parts?
I questioned Umbrage because he chose to characterize you in that way but not comment on your behavior. This read as positioning.Krazy wrote: Questions a third player on me (specifically) doing something that I'm not the only one doing. This is tunneling. He's not really interested in the behavior, only how he can tie it to me personally.
You're trying to characterize me as tunneling when you haven't posted anything that was not in direct reaction to me this whole game. All I asked you to do was to participate in the game or provide some commentary on any player other than me, something you still have not done.tunneling
You yourself just characterized lurking as reading the thread but not participating in it.Made this post right about 24 hours after my previous post and yet attempts to characterize me as lurking. His next two posts are an attempt to have me (and only me) prematurely prodded and realizing that he was in the wrong.
Yes, the prod attempt was stupid and probably the only good justification for characterizing me as tunneling you have. Next please?
Someone first calls him on tunneling and he backpedals to broaden his criticisms. He clearly had not considered the same behavior in anyone else. Tunneling.
As I mentioned, this is true, insofar as in this regard I was partly tunneling. Next?
I have explained my method of reading players. He wants me to put four times as much effort in. Effort that nobody else is replicating at all. Not to say that nobody else is active, everyone's doing their own thing, but he's trying very hard to find a reason to stay on me. Tunneling.
This is not tunneling. You said you read four players, but did not provide any commentary for the isos you did read, despite the fact that you apparently cleared them. You chose to read four isos that is apparently not me and not umbrage; excluding yourself and the lurkers, that's basically every active player in the game. But apparently asking you to share any thought on any player is tunneling.
Even his discussion of other players is based around me.
Very astute, and true, since that was is where my vote is. If there is a player being ignored, then I tend to focus on them to draw them out. Although there are several players not posting much, some people were at least commenting on Xto. TBL and Quaroth at the time hadn't posted much, but the length of time still hadn't been that great, so I chose you since you also chose not to participate in RVS.
Your current criticisms are that I am tunneling. Very good, and as I mentioned, at least partly true.
Thank you for not addressing it.
lolwat? You can go the whole game saying jack shit but you can't wait 10 seconds for me to type up my full response?vote conspiracy-
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Funny or whatever he said. In any case he chose to quote your entire questions+answers with only an impression of how funny they were without actually engaging you.Ythan wrote:
Characterized me in what way exactly?I questioned Umbrage because he chose to characterize you in that way but not comment on your behavior. This read as positioning.
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I defined it that way, actually. Don't use weasel words.You yourself just characterized lurking as reading the thread but not participating in it.
Okay, you defined it that way. That changes my comment how?
No, Ythan, you are COMPLETELY tunneling. I WAS only partly tunneling. Until you STOP tunneling you will continue to be COMPLETELY tunneling.Ythan wrote:
YouAs I mentioned, this is true, insofar as in this regard I was partly tunneling. Next?werenotpartlytunneling, you are entirely tunneling. At this point you're not asking for better evidence, you're asking for more evidence. This is even worse.
Oh, okay, so you've read what, 8 posts in the game now other than mine?The rest of this quote chunk falls apart without that.
Tunnel harder and faster Ythan, please. You might not make it to China in time for tea, otherwise.
I have explained why I continued to focus on you after the initial (mostly) random vote, and it was certainly partly because I know you have time to get into quote wars like this with me but refuse to even say the name of another player in the game unless they are responding to me.Ythan wrote: You specifically chose me, and I am not the only player who fit that criteria. Because you're tunneling.
You began before I posted. Chronological error.
I voted for you before you posted, this isn't the same as focusing on you before you posted.
Ythan wrote: You made a post recognizing the post but neither addressing it nor intimating that you had more on the way. I'm not going to give you the benefit of the doubt when this is your play so far.
Your post interrupted my EBWOP.
Glad to see you're not willing to give me the benefit of the doubt. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you would address other players other than me, and you STILL haven't done this, claiming that I'm trying to occupy too much of your time, when you refuse to address any other player than me. Honestly there is no evidence right now that you have read a single post in this game that did not have my name as a part of it. And then you mount your entire case against me on the basis that I am tunneling on you, saying I'm the only player that you have found interesting (but you apparently can't be bothered to read Umbrage's posts, only my commentary on them).vote conspiracy-
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I wanted you to take positions, you're taking positions, crisis averted.
I would say that my policy lynch vote on you should make sense by now without having to address the other game, but I know from experience that people can only really understand this by actually talking to you (which truly ironically, my policy lynch vote has apparently given everyone an excuse to not talk to you yet).vote conspiracy-
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My vote has been off you since the beginning of this page. Why do you think I have any interest in currently pursuing a case on you? Wait, that's a rhetorical question: I don't. Every point you make in 110 is irrelevant after 108. You were lurking, then you were tunneling, and then you started participating, which is exactly what I asked of you.
inb4OMGURSTILLTUNNELING: Believe it or not, if 3+ people are going to go through the weekend with one post, then I'm going to defer judgment on the wagons forming on the active players until I have some sense of the full party.vote conspiracy-
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DarthYoshi wrote:@Krazy: Right now, your vote just looks like an attempt to make it look like you weren’t tunneling on Ythan. Which you were. I completely agree that the town should be pressing lurkers to participate, but you still seem to really only care about one lurker.
The funny thing about a vote that looks like it is an attempt to make it seem like you're not tunneling and a vote that means you're not tunneling is that there is no difference.
DarthYoshi wrote: Pot, kettle, black, yada yada yada. Also, I’m basically ignoring posts #84-117, because I don’t care remotely enough about your’s and Ythan’s schoolyard screaming match to read those walls.
AKA: ur a hypocrite, but also tl;dr. Usually you can make one criticism or the other, Darth, not both. Please call me a hypocrite; but I also encourage you to actually back up your accusation.
tl;dr is anti-town too. Should we have a "who can be more anti-town" contest?
I'm going to just go ahead and at this in relation to the comments above.@Ythan: At what point can we expect your thoughts on individual players (aside from Krazy)?
Unvote. Vote: Krazy.Your play so far has been hellaciously anti-town, regardless of your alignment.
OMGUS; but is your case ever going to be anything other than tl;dr?
TheBigLebowski wrote:I would like us all to take a moment and address how ironic this post is.
Is my vote on you also ironic?
Here I'll do it again in case you didn't see it the first time:
Unvote; Vote: TheBigLebowski
Contribute something.
werewolf555 wrote:The reason the post was ironic was that for the last 2 pages krazy was attacking Ythil, then accuses him of only attacking him. Therefore I thought it was ironic.
Please try to keep players straight. Ythil and Ythan are different players. Very different.
Xtoxm wrote:I'm getting mostly town vibes from the more active players, with the sole exception of Ythan, whose reactions to the assault from Krazy look a bit too complacent for what I would expect from a townie.
Although I always approve of suspicion of Ythan... "complacent"... really? That is not really how I would characterize his last 10 posts toward me.
Umbrage wrote: YES THAT WAS MY FUCKING MASTER PLAN I NEEDED AN EXCUSE TO OMGUS PEOPLE SO I CREATED THIS GAMBIT BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW HOW WELL OMGUS WORKS AND IT IS SUCH A GOOD THING TO DO AS SCUM.
ONE LAST NOTE: I'm leaning toward Krazy and Ythan being scum together, and doing this shit to try and distract the town from any actual real scumhunting. I haven't read all of their back and forth, and I don't plan on doing so. They are making this thread almost impossible to read.
Umbrage, I would like you to look at these two points from the same post and compare them to each other; and then think about how people react to your rage-caps posts.
TBL seems to want to snipe at me without saying anything of substance while Xtoxm seems to want to come off as reading Ythan's posts while not actually doing so. Both just graduated a step above Quaroth in my list. Umbrage continues to strike me as flailtown, although it's interesting that he continues with the rage-caps the next day, after I mentioned it.
I would say DarthYoshi was +1 for pulling a tl;dr attack, except I know from experience that tl;dr is a common town reaction to exchanges with Ythan. How about this Darth: Instead of QQing about my quote war with him, why don't you ask him a few more questions yourself? Again, both you and Ythan can QQ about me "tunneling" on him, but that doesn't excuse you from not engaging him at all.vote conspiracy-
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TheBigLebowski wrote: 1. Is that all you have to say about my comments on irony.
2. Why are you only voting me and not a lurker like iamausername who has only posted twice. This makes it look like you are trying to distance yourself from Ythan
1 - Yes.
2 - "a lurker like iamausername" is a nice start but why don't you kick it up a notch. What do you think about Umbrage?vote conspiracy-
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I'd like you to compare to this comment you made earlier Abel:Abelcain wrote:Geez, there's really been fifty posts since my last post, which was only 15-16 hours ago? Okay then.
Abelcain wrote: So you're saying that Ythan posts a lot, so you want him gone? Sounds like you're scum trying to prevent the flow of information in the game.
Do lots of posts still = flow of information?
Yeah, you will probably say self-fulfilling prophecy, but then again, you also have yet to address Ythan yourself. Instead you have only continued to QQ about me prodding you to engage him. Oh, and by the way, me prodding you to engage him != an attack on Ythan.
Damn it. All he had to do was go a whole post without attacking Ythan.
That post was not an attack, but your decision to misrepresent it has been noted.
I don't even need to make up quotes for you, you write good ones on your own!
Are you actually accusing Umbrage of having that be his "master plan," or are you just being sarcastic here? Straight answer please.
I like Krazy's last couple of posts, if only because they've been relatively Ythan-free. Hope he continues like this.
And what do you think of Ythan's posts?
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Ythan wrote:You disagree with the reasoning and yet support the suspicion. Because you're an intense tunneler.
Your capacity to detect sarcasm never ceases to astound me. And are you still mad about the prod or what? "shitfit" = me asking you to post "content" and not just informing us that you're reading the isos of the V/LA players?
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Ythan wrote: then spend nearly every post bitching at me.
Ythan, feel free to consult post #111 in response to these posts.Ythan wrote: You're still a tunneling idiot.
Umbrage wrote:Ythan's last two posts sum up my attitude toward Krazy perfectly.
@ Krazy: Either let your pissing match with Ythan drop or replace out of this game now.
So let me get this straight:
You agree with Ythan that my vote on TBL is doing nothing, but you also want me to not respond to Ythan's deluge of curses and insults. Very well, in that case, would you like to suggest a third candidate? Do you then have a town read on TBL? Any read at all?
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Sniping is still sniping and active lurking is still active lurking. Xto has not given any explanation for his lack of contribution to this game and TBL seems to want to make a point out of his irony, thus making his "irony" posts 50% of his contribution to the game. If I have null-tells on the active players, and the lurkers have chosen to address 50% of their posts in regard to my exchange with Ythan, then it is impossible to comment on those players. I want the remaining lurkers to take positions.
Umbrage seems to be losing it but I still fail to see how his hysterics translates into scumplay. Insofar as he has been hysterical, it's difficult saying one player has been scummier than another in joining the wagon on him, since most are making good criticisms of him. However, it seems probable that at least one person on the Umbrage wagon is scum. Even if Umbrage is scum himself, his position in this game could lead to early wagoning, however I do not currently believe that to be the case. But since there so much room to make compelling criticism of Umbrage, I don't think any scum player has needed to stretch themselves to join the wagon. I will probably re-read the wagon on him once more people have caught up on the game or there is a flip. Continuing to grill Umbrage only makes it easier for lurkers to join the wagon on him when they do return to the game.
Between Xto, Quaroth, TheBigLebowski, and iamausername, there are enough players for an entire scumteam; I don't think they are fully located to them, but until they get into the game and contribute something, they are both night-kill bait and null-tells. Among them, if TBL and Xto are going to make six character posts or one-sentence responses to the last four pages, then I would characterize that as active lurking and I will continue to confront them until they have taken some position on some player in the game.
The point of giving the post number was so that I would not be repeating myself; since you want to join the characterization of me as "tunneling" on Ythan, it seemed prudent to direct you to the post on the previous page where I addressed my current concerns with other players.vote conspiracy-
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Vordark wrote:So, are you saying that you believe Umbrage is town?
Not the first time I've said this, but apparently I've never posited any opinion of any player other than Ythan. Very surprised no one commented on this before.
There's been a few problems with Umbrage, but the first that comes up is his vote for Snake Eyes--which was underexplained but not scummish, and he has since moved on, which is also townish.
He pointed out Xto's lack of participation--which was town play, not scummish.
He questioned CS's motives--which was town play, not scummish.
He characterizes himself as setting himself up as bait--and indeed, games never move past RVS if every vote comes off as pure RVS with absolutely no basis behind it. That doesn't mean he's hellbent on anyone vote or another.
He does contradict himself:
A bandwagon needs people pushing it.You seem desperate to stop RVS and get a wagon started.
This is problematic, but doesn't do much for me in terms of scumplay. This is more any-player trying to justify their "serious vote" gambit above, while trying to dispel a counter-wagon on them. Poor reasoning, and as it's poor reasoning it's not townish, but it's not scummish either. It's a misplay on either side of the fence. His downplay of his contradiction is also problematic, and marginally scummier than the contradiction itself.
Snake Eyes is saying at that point in the game a lot of the same stuff I'm saying right now, which is what gave me the impression that SE and Umb in particular were moving into a marginally un-scummish nulltell.
His posts starting to on around here is where he really starts to lose it:
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OH I'M SORRY FOR SCUMHUNTING WHILE YOU'VE BEEN PICKING YOUR NOSE. You clearly don't understand what you are talking about, because the very nature of the gambit I pulled means that I will have to attack the people who attack me. It is only OMGUS if you do not provide reasoning for your votes. I've provided reasoning every step of the way. The only reasoning you've provided is that I'm 'silly'.Vordark wrote:Umbrage seems to be doing a lot of OMGUS voting and a whole lot of flipping out for a relatively painless page one, three-vote, get us out of RVS bandwagon. And the whole act scummy to see who bites thing is just silly.
NO!!!!!!! WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! SNAKE EYES SAID THAT HE FOUND ME SCUMMY!!!!!!!!! I HAVE PROVEN IT WAS NOT A GET-OUT-OF-RVS BANDWAGON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN FUCKING READING THE FUCKING THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Vordark wrote:a relatively painless page one, three-vote, get us out of RVS bandwagon.
I have to go lie down...
This meltdown was kinda random, but I'm getting the impression Umbrage is a bit volatile. Again, I'm taking this as part of Umbrage's disposition, not as reflective of his position in the game. He basically sees the contradiction in the explanation for his RVS compared to his response to SE who was basically calling him on exactly what he was doing, and he more or less announces he was doing.
So basically the Snake-Eyes/AbelCain/Umbrage trifecta is striking me as townflailing on town. The whole thing is a colossal null-tell and I didn't really feel the need to break it down when at that point it was seeming way more likely that the scum are lurkers mixed with wagoners on Umbrage.
This bit seems to be saying that a bandwagon on a player for which there is "so much room to make compelling criticism" is bad, and that the more they are pressed the worse off we are. This appears to run contrary to the idea of scum hunting. Can you elaborate on your thought process here?
This is kind of getting into pure theory territory, but I do not think the "more [Umbrage] is pressed the worse off we are" but rather, the more Umbrage is pressed the easier it will be for lurkers to join the wagon. This is uninformative for those players, so perhaps indirectly bad for the town. In this setup, the hammer falls when a simple majority is reached, so we never REALLY get a sense of who, in a pinch, really would or would not hammer. It's interesting to see who joins the wagon at what point and for what reasons, but since the heart of the matter seems to be a townish SE and a townish AC poking a townflailing Umb it still seems more prudent to look at the lurkers.
I also feel like my exchange with Ythan has probably produced a relative null-tell.
That's why my questions lately have been:
-Who will try to produce a wagon out of it
-Who will ignore it completely
-Who will pretend to read it but only use it as an excuse to hide
When TBL and Xto basically come in to say "hey look Ythan and Krazy had a little exchange" with no comment on any activity in the entire game, I still see that as active lurking and more scummy than the AC/SE/Umbrage townpoke/townflail.vote conspiracy-
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Darth, I'm going to let most of your comments stand, and your questions seemed rhetorical (the one maybe not being the "why not both?" and if you actually wanted to discuss that let me know). I'm heading to class now and will re-read the other posts from this morning once I get back.vote conspiracy-
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Rereading a couple isos. I have to agree with Ythan that V's #62 is annoying, both to read and to reread.
CS says he gets bored of the Umbrage discussion because of the wall posts and also gets bored of my exchange with Ythan; like Darth, basically gives a tl;dr, UNLIKE Darth, goes on to imply that Umbrage et.al is also tl;dr.
I also notice that CS's interest in the game basically seems to drop off simultaneously with V unvoting him.
@CS: Aside from the Umbrage wagon you helped form and then got bored of, I'm not really sure I at this point can characterize you as not also active lurking. Among the Umbrage wagon, if I were to guess that there was someone scum on it (which there is, admittedly, no guarantee), you would be my first guess.
Parts of this post have bothered me for a while, but moreso now that he seems to have ceased actively pursuing the Umbrage wagon:
ConSpiracy wrote: Think further
Great, post. Are you going to point out things that are scummy or only things that you see as null?Umbrage wrote:OK, so my vote on ConSpiracy is about as serious as you can get for page 1 reads. Xtoxm stands out as odd to me, he didn't random vote, he didn't really say hello or anything, he just answered the questions. I'm not saying it's scum or town, it just looks odd.
"think further" = make my case for me?
"Great, post. Are you going to point out things that are scummy or only things that you see as null?"
--> Although players should point out scummy behavior, observing false-positives and asserting them as null is still a position to take and a contribution to the town (although whether that's actually what was going on here is debateable).
I would test my theory that CS's interest in the game is directly proportional to the number of votes on him, but I haven't quite gotten all I want out of my vote on TBL yet.vote conspiracy-
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Umbrage wrote:
Um, yeah, that's totally what I did.Ythan wrote:--> Although players should point out scummy behavior, observing false-positives and asserting them as null is still a position to take and a contribution to the town (although whether that's actually what was going on here is debateable).
Sorry, would you mind clarifying if this is sarcasm or not? If you're disagreeing with my assessment I'd like to hear more.vote conspiracy-
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iamausername wrote:
So is everyone else, they're just using more words to do so.DarthYoshi wrote:You’re clearly reading the thread, but are saying very little.
So basically you're going to take a snipe at the entire thread as an excuse for not saying anything?
"Well, not one person in this thread is actually saying anything, so really I'm just like everyone else I just waste less of my own time."
I got that right?vote conspiracy-
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iamausername wrote:
You're wise beyond your years, Vordark. I was more concerned about the fact that he is self-admittedly voting Krazy for reasons that have nothing to do with his alignment, but this may be an even better observation.Vordark wrote:
I think any vote outside of the RVS needs at least a few words of explanation as to why you are votingDarthYoshi wrote: @Town as a whole--though I was uneasy with CS’s vote on Umbrage, he hasn’t done anything after that to really set off my scumdar, so my read on him is mostly neutral. My vote is better served elsewhere atm.
Unvote. Vote: Krazy.Your play so far has been hellaciously anti-town, regardless of your alignment.forsomeone, but I find it suspicious when someone makes a show of why they are taking itoffof someone when they move it. It's worrying about appearances and that's something more likely to come from scum than town.
^This is you already having done so?vote conspiracy-
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So when Yoshi says:
Vordark thinks I've spent too much time engaging Krazy, and that I have some unhelpful beliefs about mafia theory. I think that putting pressure on Krazy was the right move, and he is in fact now behaving in a much more townish manner. I don't think I was unduly calling attention to my votes; I think saying my read has changed on someone who I had my vote on is a fairly normal thing to do.
Your response is...?
Or are you hoping toignoreYoshi's response into a lynch?
This I guess is your idea of active scumhunting?vote conspiracy-
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My opinion of DarthYoshi is rather in flux. In regard to your entire case on him, I don't think him explaining his thought process behind maintaining or dropping a vote is all that suspicious, no. There are some things he has said that have irked me, but right now he is not my top candidate, or even in my top 3.
You however are an altogether different story. Your attempts at deflection, your piggy-backing on V, and your active lurking have raised you considerably on my list. Your decision to not actually communicate your rejection of Yoshi's defense makes it seem like you don't actually want to make or pursue a case on him, but rather want a case to be made against him by other players so that you can then present yourself as a distanced judge. Which you are not.
Since you seem to want to ask point blank opinions of other players, what is your opinion of CS? You seem to be skeptical of V voting him instead of Yoshi but did not actually explain why.vote conspiracy-
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In which case the scum will have to claim detective or psychologist. Hider-tracker and hider are cross-confirming, vigilante would just shoot his CC, and tracker would be confirmable.
So yeah, figure out if it is still-auto-win if the scum claim detective/psychologist, and then we will know for sure.vote conspiracy-
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