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NEWAY CAN WE MOVE ON AND NOT VOTE ME FOR SOMETHING I BELIEVE IS LITTLE AND SHOULDN'T HAVE GIVEN ME AWAY ON PAGE 1?podium123456 wrote:Sarcasm doesn't work with text... so when i see someone make a comment like you did, and then put on a second vote and say 'the wagon is go'... dont be surprised if they didn't immediately understand you were joking.
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Nope.
Nope nope nope.
I dont CARE if you understood me or not, "where iz breadcrumsb can i see?" YOU ARE DEAD SIR.
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I'll be leaving my vote here for the remainder of the day. I may be back to make a case if he continues this onslaught of scummy posting.podium123456 wrote:LOL at the flavor... i love it.
Although i really wish meatwad was around he's mah fav.
I have other games I replaced into that take precedent.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Seacore STOP BEING A PARANOID....
Wait did you just ask him to scumhunt?
Why would you need to ASK him to scumhunt?
TOWN already know what they are supposed to do.
AKA PODIUM IS NOT FUCKIN TOWN.
AND NEITHER ARE YOU SCUMBOI.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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If you keep screaming obvscukm with each new goddamn post I CANT lurk, so thanks a lot jackass.podium123456 wrote:wait... let me pull a fate
OMG guys, he just told us he's going to be lurking... and... SCUM LURK.Fate wrote: I have other games I replaced into that take precedent.
HOLY GOD!! Wagons! Big WAGONS! NAO!
derpaderpa derp.
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HERAPDERPA IM GONNA MOCK FATE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GET A READ ON HIS ALIGNMENT BECAUSE IM SCUM AND IM GETTING OUTED BY SOMEONE WHO CAN MAKE WAGONS APPEAR BY GLANCING IN A DIRECTION.
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ENJOI?
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Solved the case against you? NICE PRIORITIES. I still haven't seen an ounce of scumhunting aka you're still scumABOVEscum.podium123456 wrote:
If i had all these nefarious plans, then why didn't i do it to nacho? Hrmmmm?GhostWriter wrote:Except that wasn't that. I believe you knew what he meant all along and simply wanted to paint him in a negative light, perhaps to come back to it later in some BS case you'd try to build.
You think i knew what he meant all along. OK...well.. thats like your opinion, man. Guess we will leave it at that.
But hold on... i just realized something... what ibasicallysaid was 'is this a serious post'... i just said asked it in a different way. You are acting like i made some big case about Fate and voted him or said he was scummy or something... all i basically did was ask if it was a serious post. When i found out it wasn't, i dropped it. You're telling me that is a scumtell?
Sheesh... i just solved everything you have against me right there.
Next dilemma.
ALSO, it wasn't just "i asked it in a different way herp" IT WAS "what breadcrumb?" AKA "SHOW ME DA GODDAMN BREADCRUMB."
Not a WORD about " how is breadcrumbing scummy Fate?" or "If he did then /vote good enough for me" OR "breadcrumbing is null" or "is that a serious vote?" THE WAY YOU PHRASED IT WAS NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST "r u srs?"
My god people, the fact that MoI dismissed my attacks as "rambling wild accusations that need to be reigned in" instead of seeing the value in it, AND him attacking GhostWriter's case instead of mine = +SCUM.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Ok so here's the deal.
I was reading on my phone and ABOUT TO PULL an unvote vote target of my target Fate classic.
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I WENT AND RE READ THE SHIT THAT PODIUM WAS TALKIN ABOUTFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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It starts here.
This is Seacore's response
Implosion acknowledges how he read it.
Seacore's final response
NOW. I see NOTHING wrong with that exchange. Implosion thought something was scummy, Seacore thought he was misreading and corrected his post, Implosion furthered why he still thought it was scummy, Seacore obliged that it was good enough to go on RVS style.
SO THAT MEANS
PODIUM'S ATTEMPT AT CONTENT IS BLOWING SHIT OUT OF PROPORTION. LETS SEE WHAT ELSE THERE IS.
ALL THIS AND YOU HAVE A NULL READ? NOT A SCUMMY READ FOR ME PUSHING SO HARD? NOT A TOWN READ FOR BEING SO HARD HEADED? NULL?@ Fate - He's pretty tunneled on me, as well as a little weird. His initial argument against me... (that i was actually scum, and was wanting to know what the bread crumb was for my benefit)... is just as dumb as me not realizing his initial comment was sarcastic. i mean, do you really think that as scum, i would genuinely be asking that? That would be pretty naive, and i would expect most people to assume that... just like most people might assume that fate was joking.
the difference is that when i realized fate was joking, i dropped it... but fate keeps trudging along with his theory, even though i explained what i was doing. i dont find him that scummy right now, though. and yes, what i said was similar to asking 'are you serious'.
now i will sit here and wait for him to yell and curse at me.
<-THIS IS ME YELLING AND CURSING AT YOU.
WHAT IS THIS I DONT EVEN?@ Vibebox - i didnt see anything wrong with his vote.
SO. That wasn't his LAST rebuttal, but THATS where YOU LEAVE off? Not even finishing reading the interaction between them?Your rebuttal to seacore was:
It basically amounts to saying "hey guys, people always find me scummy so even if I'm scummy you shouldn't accuse me for it."
It doesn't amount to that at all. Not even close.
But he DID correct him.On a related note, i want to ask seacore why you left off the argument where you did. what he said (that i just quoted) was a complete misrepresentation of what you said. Now... he might have taken something the wrong way, and not realized what you actually meant... but why didn't you correct him? Why would you back down from that argument when it is so easy (and evident) to show that he is mistaken/wrong?
"Makes me wonder if it was this, and if I think it was this they I can easily see it as this."Makes me wonder if that was a light distancing attempt, and seacore maybe tried to let it go as a light encounter, instead of getting into a bigger discussion over it.
And when i think about it that way, implosions inaccurate paraphrase looks like something a scum would say to another scum early in the game, as a light bus.
SUPER FUCKIN TECH.
HE DID CLEAR IT UP.??
I didn't say you had to vote him. My problem was that you didn't even try to clear up the miscommunication... when it was so easy to do.... ESPECIALLY when that miscommunication was the source of his vote.
Doesn't make a whole lot of sense right now.
AND THEN SEACORE SAYS:
AND WHAT DO YOU SAY?I gave my explanation, it's up to him whether he's satisfied or not. It was his first vote, so I'm not very worried about it.
LOOK WHOS MORE INTERESTED IN CALLING VV SCUM THAN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SEACORES ALIGNMENT. LOK WHOS CALLING SLIGHT TOWN READS (me and Vibe should be slight town for all you with your heads outta your ass) NULL?Quick-fire low thought scumhunting questions.
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FATE POSTED wrote: My god people, the fact that MoI dismissed my attacks as "rambling wild accusations that need to be reigned in" instead of seeing the value in it, AND him attacking GhostWriter's case instead of mine = +SCUM.MagnaofIllusion DODGED wrote:
And both the options you mention here have consequences. If you don’t like the site meta calling it awful isn’t going to do much good.Vibebox wrote:Allowing an unclaimed player to reach L-1 seems awful. It allows for quicklynching and self-hammering.
It has nothing to do with confusing me. Nice try Tex. It has everything to do with consistency in your opinion and posting. You call someone out for crap posting and then post what is basically crap yourself. That borders on Cognitive Dissonance.Vibebox wrote:I'm sorry that a little intrawebs lingo is enough to confuse you.
It’s clear he failed to get the reference. If your statement doesn’t indicate he is scum for doing so why did you post it? If it does indicate he is scum why didn't you just call him scummy as opposed to being cute?Vibebox wrote:He completely failed to understand Fate's point. Are you really saying you couldn't tell that's what I was referencing?
I looked at your ISO. Your only mention of Zini is to call him one of the ‘funny’ guys and you only interacted with VV at ISO 4. So unless you are going purely on ‘gut’ here some support would be great.Vibebox wrote:Vas & Zinive = notMagnaofIllusion wrote:@MOD - Can we get something in the way of prods on The Butterfly and Xenophon?Like with pointy, sharp, burning sticks?
I've been searching for a replacement for xenophon since the beginning of the game (since I'm pretty sure he disappeared from the site). Also I've prodded The Butterfly. Let's hope he doesn't bail too
Thanks!!DODGE FLUFFPOST
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{goodpostin}Nachomamma8 wrote:So, I was going to make some huge long post about how sheeping Fate is the best scum strategy, so we should instant lynch GhostWriter for trying. But then I realized sheeping fate was the best town strategy too, so I'm just shutting up and letting the current take me where it will.
LISTEN TO YOUR HEART
Vote: podium
No, I don't want you to claim. Hell, I don't want you to even defend yourself, really. I just want you to believe that you won't get lynched. And so don't get lynched. Although, I don't know whether this is L-2 or L-1 because the votecount confused my feeble heart. But that's okay.
PS: This is not a post restriction.
PPS: I'll probably be playing like this for the whole game. But I will be lynching scum the whole game, so it's eyyy ok.
If Nacho gets killed N1 I'm probably scum.
Jus sayin'
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Remind me again what your case is on anyone, because I trashed your implosion one and that's about the closest you've actually come to scumhunting.podium123456 wrote:
Remind me again what your case is against me. Because so far all you have done is admitted that you are sheeping fate.Nachomamma8 wrote: Podium's wagon is excellent. I wish it would hurry to a lynch already.
I think your *being cute* card is just about used up.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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And since I never responded back: YES I THINK YOU WOULD GENUINELY BE ASKING THAT.
Like "ooh breadcrumb? Where!" And the reason you didn't pull the charade on nacho and did instead on me was because saying "how is he setting up a claim for himself?" to Nacho looks a HELLUVA LOT WORSE THAN an innocent "ooo wut breadcrumbz?"
I can't imagine any situation in which town would want a breadcrumb pointed out to them, on the first goddamn page.
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Well if you admit there's no reason for town to ask that, you're as good as dead.
"asking if you were serious y way of question" good LORD talk about retro-active justification. "Scummy rolefishing? no>.. I was just asking a question "is it serious or not" in a really convoluted way! YEAH THATS IT."
And now you're trying to paint my joke as scummy if t were serious? "made up scummy move?" as in, you thought I would fabricate some breadcrumb and call him scum for it and VOTE based on it?
Well here's a few things good chap:
1. breadcrumbing isn't inherently scummy in the FIRST PLACE, so your "scummy move" theory is bullshit
2. I specifically CALLED IT "Weak play" not scummy, so you thinking "oh wow fate is gonna concoct something ot call seacore scummy"
3. If you thinkIwould push a lynch as scum based off a supposed breadcrumb than YOU are the f'ing idiot. See how that works?
But you're scum.
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Scum are never happy with what I catch them at.Seacore wrote:I'm approaching voting for podium too. This original points aren't really pinging my scumdar, but his reaction is. It feels like a bit like "but you shouldn't have caught me for that!"
I'll think on it over the weekend.
Also, I'll be limited access this weekend, but I'll have my phone, which tends to mean reading, not writing.
I can link examples... MANY examples. I think wolframhart's is the most apt example though
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I hate it when Fate is this argumentive.He's right of course but for crap reasons. And no matter how i point out he is wrong he is gonna be a jerk about the whole thingIgnore him.
You haven't dropped any REAL tells, so he is just fishing for your reaction.
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Fate wrote:Well if you admit there's no reason for town to ask that, you're as good as dead.
"asking if you were serious y way of question" good LORD talk about retro-active justification. "Scummy rolefishing? no>.. I was just asking a question "is it serious or not" in a really convoluted way! YEAH THATS IT."
And now you're trying to paint my joke as scummy if t were serious? "made up scummy move?" as in, you thought I would fabricate some breadcrumb and call him scum for it and VOTE based on it?
Well here's a few things good chap:
1. breadcrumbing isn't inherently scummy in the FIRST PLACE, so your "scummy move" theory is bullshit
2. I specifically CALLED IT "Weak play" not scummy, so you thinking "oh wow fate is gonna concoct something ot call seacore scummy"
3. If you thinkIwould push a lynch as scum based off a supposed breadcrumb than YOU are the f'ing idiot. See how that works?
But you're scum.
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here are exampled FOR YA Seacore:then you are a f'ing idiot.
"You really think Id do THIS as scum?"
"yeah"
"u stupid"
FTR I get hyped up any game I'm in for any reason. That's why I play mafia FFS, THE THRILL OF THE HUNT. Even if you are somehow town I'll nail scum down the line eventually. (D2 is spades easier than D1)Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Seacore Vibebox has posted a SHIT TON since you last voted him, and IIRC he elaborated on his vote (your original reason for voting him), so since he explained his vote, how can you still be unhappy with his playstyle and call in anti-town
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FLANK ATTACK
For the win.
Podium doesn't hang until zenophon and friends catch up.
THAT MEANS YOU ZAVNIE.
Clarification: my case on you isn't that you thought i was serious, its that you had a gut scumreaction to my post and asked what breadcrumbs. NOW you have degenerated into this bullshit reasoning: "because i knew that whatever 'breadcrumb' you thought you found was nothing more than a made up scummy move on him... "
^^ This implies that you DID think I was serious, as in scumserious. AKA you thought it was scum move. Which is just you retroactively justifying why you asked me in such a weird way.
So your stories are:
1. I thought you were being scum Fate making up shit, so I wanted to know what kind of BS you would come up with as a breadcrumb.
2. I was asking you if you were serious in a roundabout way by asking what the supposed breadcrumb was.
SO WHICH, FUCKIN, IS IT?
Also I'm pretty sure GW's case is that you SHOULD have known I was joking. TWO SCUMMY SIDES OF THE SAME COIN MAKES FOR A MAFIOSO PRESIDENT.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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I didn't TELL you anything, I was wondering where the hell your apparent "dislike" of it went, since you made NO COMMENTS on his posting since then.Seacore wrote:Who the hell are you to tell me if I don't like somebody's play style?
I have read all of his posts, and I still find him to be far less forthcoming and open than I like my town to be. He has a level of "well I don't care if you can't follow what I'm saying" that I really dislike. However, due to his posts, it's moved from "is this somebody just hopping on a wagon and avoiding direct questions" to "he's a bit of a jerk".
But whatever, if you think I'm bussing Podium, lets look at it after the flip.
Also I don't like the last line at all. "lets look at it after the flip" as in "I can't be podium's scumbuddy if podium flips town" Maybe I'm reading too much into it (since the last time I saw scum pull something like that they were a newbie and obvscum)
I'm not making connections before any flips, its funny thats what you thought I was doing. I was saying your jump onto the Podium wagon was forced and scummy REGARDLESS of podium's alignment.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Here's the thing: I'm not pushing for your lynch for what you've done on page 1. ITS EVERYTHING SINCE THEN. It always is, that's how mafia works.podium123456 wrote:
i would be surprised if anyone would disagree that it would be highly unlikely for a scum to ask that question, with the intent of "oh wow, he said a pr just dropped a breadcrumb... let me ask him what it was so i can find out what role that guy is". it would beFate wrote:
here are exampled FOR YA Seacore:then you are a f'ing idiot.
"You really think Id do THIS as scum?"
"yeah"
"u stupid"extremelynaive... therefore you are a f'ing idiot to think that's really what was going on.
furthermore, why dont you let seacore handle his own discussions.
You going back and saying "why would scum ever do THIS, therefore the rest of my sins should be forgiven!" is scummy and selective defending.
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Tell me how your case isn't that i knew he was joking, but wanted to try and paint him in a negative light. Because that's what this says.podium123456 wrote:i knew that whatever 'breadcrumb' you thought you found was nothing more than a made up scummy move on him... so i wanted to see what kind of ridiculous concoction you were going to come up with.podium123456 wrote:i knew that whatever 'breadcrumb' you thought you found was nothing more than a made up scummy move on him... so i wanted to see what kind of ridiculous concoction you were going to come up with.podium123456 wrote:i knew that whatever 'breadcrumb' you thought you found was nothing more than a made up scummy move on him... so i wanted to see what kind of ridiculous concoction you were going to come up with.podium123456 wrote:i knew that whatever 'breadcrumb' you thought you found was nothing more than a made up scummy move on him... so i wanted to see what kind of ridiculous concoction you were going to come up with.
YEAH IM ANSWERING FOR GHOST WRITER.podium123456 wrote:i knew that whatever 'breadcrumb' you thought you found was nothing more than a made up scummy move on him... so i wanted to see what kind of ridiculous concoction you were going to come up with.
DEAL WITH IT.
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So you tailor your responses to the cases against you and NOT to what your play and motivations were at the time?
So your motivation is to diffuse the cases against you instead of adequately defending your play and showing your thought process?
So you claimed scum?
So you didn't respond to my latest and greatest abotu how you've flopped from "i was askin if u were serious" and "i thought u waz about to make a scum move, so i wanted to see your bullshit crumb"
DIE
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VV if you're not voting Podium or doing anything but dickin around on some side angle with someone that's posting more reads and thoughts than half the playerlist then...VasudeVa wrote:Well, Vibebox, now that you are actually explaining what you meant with your #65, it's not at all IIoA now isn't it? Your #65 alone is fillyed shitty unexplained statements on stuff happening in thread that I couldn't even understand what you meant by them. It may be partially my fault that I didn't understand it and saw it as shitposting, but it is also partially your fault that you didn't even bother to explain what you meant with some of those statements because you choose to be the that one guy with lame one liners that he thinks universally understandable.
GOOD TO HAVE YA BACK VV.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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An ISO of VV makes me put him as my #2.
I still have a wary eye on Seacore though, who I feel may be difficult to catch as scum (haven't seen his scumgame yet).Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Its not about my case, its about having READS on OTHER people in the game besides this little sandbox fight with Vibe you're having.VasudeVa wrote:
I'll slog through your 'case' when I'm in a mood to read your posts(Date TBA) and get right back atcha.Fate wrote:
VV if you're not voting Podium or doing anything but dickin around on some side angle with someone that's posting more reads and thoughts than half the playerlist then...VasudeVa wrote:Well, Vibebox, now that you are actually explaining what you meant with your #65, it's not at all IIoA now isn't it? Your #65 alone is fillyed shitty unexplained statements on stuff happening in thread that I couldn't even understand what you meant by them. It may be partially my fault that I didn't understand it and saw it as shitposting, but it is also partially your fault that you didn't even bother to explain what you meant with some of those statements because you choose to be the that one guy with lame one liners that he thinks universally understandable.
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You still have to respond, if only because of this sass.podium123456 wrote:ok that's like 2 hours ive wasted on this site just now. im taking a break, ill address the rest later tonight.
and i hope fate pisses all in his pink ruffly panties because i haven't answered him yet.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Two minutes?
Not bad.
Not bad at all.
Posting =/= lynching. We can post all we damn want, if you're the only two here I'll do all I can to determine you're alignment. I don't want anyone dead before others come, but we can talk all we want.
I suppose you can live for the 2mins and not making a "carefully prepared response"
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Never been scum? Literally never?Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Something tells me you'd be like Thor.
I mean, I'm debating... in my head... Not being scum for a whole year then being scum...
There would be a lot of interesting psychology there, and I think its safe to say you are town this game or a grand mastermind.
PAGES SCHMAGES. THEY SHOULDVE KNOWN WHAT THEY WERE SIGNING UP FOR.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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CULT?
GET YOUR GAMES STRAIGHT. YOU SCUMBAG!
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 23&t=15064
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 52&start=0My very first time as scum, it's slightly marred since the setup was probably unbalanced against town (though perhaps over favoring the independent win condition). In any case, Day 1 ended with me and fellow scum semi-oldguy bussing our third scumbuddy who had basically managed to step in it right out of the gate. I suffered some early suspicion for ending the RVS too early and being town-leaderish (which also had other players calling me town for it, so take that with what grains of sodium you choose). The next few days had town hunting down the independent win condition, which worked out nicely for scum, and also had two vigs that ended up killing town both times. In the end town had mostly drawn battle lines between two separate possible pairings and there was only one scum amongst either pairing so that worked out pretty well. Mostly I ended up feeling guilty for being scum because I think I discovered I'm a town player at heart, probably more evidence is needed for that conclusion though. Still, a mostly fun game, some interesting discussion, meeting a couple new players I definitely want to play with again, and a win after a couple of losses makes this one an overall positive experience.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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WHEN.Uh... yeah, because i did.* When have i said that i DIDN'T think you were serious?
YOU.
FUCKING.
SAID.
"I WAS JUST ASKING IF YOU WERE SERIOUS OR NOT."
WHY IS IT SO HARD TO CONVINCE YOU YOU ARE INDEED SCUM?
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VibeBox: 2 (Magna, Zinive) L-5Last edited by Untrod Tripod on Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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MoI is town, so at leastIwon't die N1. MoI I'm under the impression that if you are a vanilla you should just claim D1 to make the scum weigh whether they should kill you or not.
Trust me on this one, I'll back you up if the VIs start hounding you for "anti-town" play, and point out that if you're alive longer THAT in and of itself is pro-town.
VV's GHOST AND NACHO SCUM TOGETHER SHEEPIN FATE! Is hilarious.
Him using the words "Fate-virgin" should be added to the wiki. In fact, if VV wants to write a page on "Fate-tells" and how to deal with me I would be more flattered than upset (because no one can ever TRULY out the way my playstyle catches scum, it is ever changing.)
VV your post assumes I am town though, yet you have not stated that in thread yet and your last stance was "FATES BEIN FATE HES NULL"
I take it your scumread of VV is gone entirely now Podium, since he has defended you?
HEHEHEHEH.
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And VV did you even READ the first reactions podium made to me? He didn't even start defending himself until it was clear I wasn't back down a good 5 pages in. Up until then it was all "HERPZ" and "DERPZ" and calling YOU scum for shoddy reasoning.
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But the way you PHRASED IT.
And the way you EXPLAINED said phrasing is here:Fate wrote:podium123456 wrote:i knew that whatever 'breadcrumb' you thought you found was nothing more than a made up scummy move on him... so i wanted to see what kind of ridiculous concoction you were going to come up with.podium123456 wrote:i knew that whatever 'breadcrumb' you thought you found was nothing more than a made up scummy move on him... so i wanted to see what kind of ridiculous concoction you were going to come up with.podium123456 wrote:i knew that whatever 'breadcrumb' you thought you found was nothing more than a made up scummy move on him... so i wanted to see what kind of ridiculous concoction you were going to come up with.
\/quote]podium123456 wrote:i knew that whatever 'breadcrumb' you thought you found was nothing more than a made up scummy move on him... so i wanted to see what kind of ridiculous concoction you were going to come up with.
So your phrasing was off "what breadcrumb?" If your question was "why so serious?" "iz u 4realz?" "is that vote srs business?" WE WOULDNT BE HAVING THIS TALK.
And what's your explanation for that phrasing?podium123456 wrote:i knew that whatever 'breadcrumb' you thought you found was nothing more than a made up scummy move on him... so i wanted to see what kind of ridiculous concoction you were going to come up with.That you were trying to push a case on me if i had responded showing you what the breadcrumb was.
THATS WHERE THE INCONSISTENCY IS:
1. You are either confused, "ARE YOU FOR REAL FATE?"
OR
2. You are seeing a scum move, and asking "WHERE DAT BREADCRUMB AT?"
2a. How you even saw that as a scum move is BEYOND ME and further justifies my thinking that you retro-actively came up with your "thinking process" to explain away my case based on trying to create a "town thinking process" for the situation (aka "I thought you were doing something scummy fate! so I asked you to try to trap you!") instead of your actual scum thinking process, which was a gut rolefish that you thought would be harmless to ask in the RVS.
I CANT MAKE IT ANY CLEARER THAN THAT. LUCKILY WE HAVE MOI HERE TO MAKE SENSE OF YOUR FAILED SCUMHUNTING ATTEMPTS.
Also:
MoI showed your VV scum read disappeared. I question your apparent 180 flip onto a VV town read and buddying up to him calling his post sexy. IF you were town could he not be scum off the wagon trying to subtly defend you?
BUT NO. HES AUTO-TOWN CAUSE HE CALLED YOU TRANSPARENTLY TOWN, AMIRITE?Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Damn quote tags.
Also,
Is your read on me still null? Make a case analyzing my play, BESIDES calling it weird. TAKE A DAMN STANCE.
Your "null read" is just BEGGING for some VI town (luckily we don't seem to have any this game, though I can see Xeno or Zavie coming in as a wild card) trying to start a wagon on me for being "abrasive" or whatever and then you sliding onto a Fate wagon.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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NACHO, GET BACK IN THE DAMN MASON QT AND STOP OUTING OUR PLANS BEFORE THEY HAPPEN.Nachomamma8 wrote:Yeah, we gonna kill that Zinive dude when he comes back.
If he comes back.
Hell, ima drop the podium case entirely and SLAUGHTER HIS ASS if he comes back.
Yup.
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WELL IF YOU MAKE POSTS LIKE THAT ITS GOING TO BE HARDER TO COVER IT UP AS A JOKE
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JUST SAY GOODNIGHT AND YOURE GONNA BE BUSY AND POWERLURK UNTIL ZAVIE COMES BACK, AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL ALL BLOW OVER.
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He means my case on him is shit and not convincing. But HIS is all powerful and correct -_-podium123456 wrote:
Im not clear what you mean here... can you clarify.MagnaofIllusion wrote:
On to review the Case on Podium–
The whole ‘That’s pure scum-reaction’ on regarding the non-existant breadcrumb is junk. Sorry, not convincing in the least.
The "he started it" defense? It doesn't matter if the theories are conflicting, your STORY changes and ADAPTS so as to properly defend each theory. INSTEAD of having one coherent line of town thinking we can all follow along with.I believe you will find that the name-calling originated on the other side.
And yes, when being attacked by 4 people (and 1 maniac) all at once, concerning conflicting theories, you may find a defensive posture appear from the defendant.
What the hell? Implosion didn't say ANYTHING about me or nacho's posts.But wasn't pointless... it was theREASONwhy he took fate (and nacho's) posts seriously. Besides that, his paraphrase was in a different universe as to what seacore was implying. a universe that makes the comment look overly scummy.
Do you think his paraphrase was accurate and non-scummy?
You know what TOWN would have included in this post? HOW YOUR READ ON VV HAS CHANGED SINCE THEN.What more is there to follow up with? He asked a few no-thought questions.
If i had asked some little no-brainers like that, would you be as worried about me and scumhunting? Because i can easily pull 4 or 5 of those out of thin air.
But no. You're all fuckin defense.
I'm glad you only read the thread to defend yourself. I mean, me being a NULL read (STILL WANT THIS ANSWERED) and all you might actually have wanted to READ my posts ESPECIALLY when they were about someone OTHER than you.+scumpoints doesn't mean top scum choice. it means +scumpoints.
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@Seacore:
He said it didn't exist here"
I immediately posted this (condensed version):I thought you were serious. I asked that question to find out if you really were. when i saw that you werent, that was it. Me questioning you doesn't mean that i really thought you weren't serious... it means that i didnt know for sure... hence the question.
i see where you are trying to go, but i dont think you can get there with what actually happened. i dont see conflicting/inconsistent/whatever stories here.
So no he has not responded.Fate wrote:But the way you PHRASED IT.
And the way you EXPLAINED said phrasing is here:
So your phrasing was off "what breadcrumb?" If your question was "why so serious?" "iz u 4realz?" "is that vote srs business?" WE WOULDNT BE HAVING THIS TALK.Fate wrote:podium123456 wrote:i knew that whatever 'breadcrumb' you thought you found was nothing more than a made up scummy move on him... so i wanted to see what kind of ridiculous concoction you were going to come up with.
And what's your explanation for that phrasing?podium123456 wrote:i knew that whatever 'breadcrumb' you thought you found was nothing more than a made up scummy move on him... so i wanted to see what kind of ridiculous concoction you were going to come up with.That you were trying to push a case on me if i had responded showing you what the breadcrumb was.
THATS WHERE THE INCONSISTENCY IS:
1. You are either confused, "ARE YOU FOR REAL FATE?"
OR
2. You are seeing a scum move, and asking "WHERE DAT BREADCRUMB AT?"
2a. How you even saw that as a scum move is BEYOND ME and further justifies my thinking that you retro-actively came up with your "thinking process" to explain away my case based on trying to create a "town thinking process" for the situation (aka "I thought you were doing something scummy fate! so I asked you to try to trap you!") instead of your actual scum thinking process, which was a gut rolefish that you thought would be harmless to ask in the RVS.
I CANT MAKE IT ANY CLEARER THAN THAT. LUCKILY WE HAVE MOI HERE TO MAKE SENSE OF YOUR FAILED SCUMHUNTING ATTEMPTS.
Also:
MoI showed your VV scum read disappeared. I question your apparent 180 flip onto a VV town read and buddying up to him calling his post sexy. IF you were town could he not be scum off the wagon trying to subtly defend you?
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OK he has.
I've also explained why the "scummy move u makin" looks like a retroactively added "this is what I was thinking" rather than what you were actually thinking.
Its not so much my point about them being exclusive as it is your thought process not lining up:
"Am I seeing a scum move? Lemme ask" Its still convoluted as hell because WHAT SCUM MOVE DID YOU THINK YOU WERE SEEING? That I was going to push a case on him for breadcrumbing?
When in the hell did you EVER hear that as a scumtell? When have you EVER heard of anyone pushing a case on ANYONE for breadcrumbing?
THE SCUM MOVE YOU ARE MENTIONING IS FABRICATED. YOU WERE NOT LOOKING FOR IT. YOU WERE BUSY BEING SCUM.
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IM GLAD YOU HAVE TIME TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SPEED WE"RE ACCUSING YOU AT AND NOT TIME TO RESPOND PROPERLY TO THINGS.
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Shifting argument is bad how? Its either VALID (you are scum) or INVALID (you can refute it) OBVIOUSLY its the former since you don't want to discuss it anymore.podium123456 wrote:
You see this boys and girls? This is an example of someone shifting the argument.Fate wrote: Its not so much my point about them being exclusive as it is your thought process not lining up:
At this point you are either trolling me, or you are someone who shifts arguments.
I have no desire to keep partying with someone who does either. The topic has been discussed ad nauseum, anyway.
One last chance, and I was seriously thinking about giving you a chance after [REDACTED]
Respond to this.
2. Still want that Fate read
3. Still want why your VV read changed.
I'm going to leave the thread for a good hour. You'll have no one up in here spamming posts against you, so everything will be fair. Respond to those points, no matter how unfair or rehashed you think they are.
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You had your chance.
I would've been satisfied.
No Fate read. No explanation of how you thought what I was doing was a scum move. No other reads (you being worried about "town" with reference to GW and nacho makes it seem like you think they are both town).
I tried to reasonable. I gave you plenty of time.
You gave up. I found the right argument finally and its the one you can't refute. You also don't explain how shifting an argument is bad and instead just define it and say "well you should know why its bad." Is it a dirty trick to make my originial point look valid?
Yes.
Does it make my new point any less valid?
No.
Does it mean you should not respond to it, when it is pretty clear that I was the type of person that was giving you a last chance and would've conceded if you had just been able to explain your thought process to me?
No.
You yourself say that I am someone that can "understand" where you are coming from given enough time. But later in the post you describe me as someone "not worth responding to" anymore. This contradiction is because you CANNOT respond any further, you've reached the end of your backtracking.finally i explained it in a way that you apparently understood...
So now: you will die today. You will flip scum. I will have a pretty good idea of who you partner is going into tomorrow.
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