Mini 1138 - Candy Zoo Mafia (Game Over!)
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^ Pre-emptive OMGUS ftw!crazypianist1116 wrote:Vote: Kalofer
Since I'm inevitably going to become his target.
Totally scum. Look at him. Sitting on the fence, not calling it outright scummy - and even using the neutral smiley face! (Having said that, it could be inferred that he is disapproving of it, but whatever, this kinda adds to my point. The language seems intentionally neutral.) Plus there's the fact he totally insulted me in his first post. Alarm bells should be ringing, people.Twistedspoon wrote:not sure what I think of switching votes in RVS
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Twistedspoon
But they're so fun! How about 'guess what Twistedspoon thinks of switching votes in RVS'?Nobody Special wrote:I don't play guessing games.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Assuming that's directed at Nobody Special and not me: why are you tellingTwistedspoon wrote:if we're going to go into the psycology of smilies then yes, you could say I usually dissaprove of vote switching in RVS . You RVS for pressure - why would you destroy reasonless pressure on one person to push reasonless pressure on another?
anyone want to go RQS?methis? Why did you not bring it up immediately?
Kalofer's already answered your second question.
1. In marathon games, yes. Policy lynch Twistedspoon is Go.Twistedspoon wrote:I got the reaction I wanted
anyways, I thought you had a policy lynch on he hoppyfred?
2. Reaction from me = vote? Wait, you want people to vote for you?
(Also, in case you're not joking, the bit about your insult was a joke. It wasn't the basis for my vote.)
I LIKE THE PIANO TOO. I DEMAND THAT YOU UNVOTE ME. (I do actually play the piano.)Kalofer wrote:I suppose, but while I do hate anime I do like piano, and since from your name I assume that you like piano too I guess it cancels out to give a neutral, for now.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Sorttttt of.Kalofer wrote:Also, where are you from crazy
Twisted and Hopper do you like anime?
You're just mad I outed you as scum.Twistedspoon wrote:well we all just start questioning the players who have overreacted in the Random voting stage *coughhoppstercough*
I like this post of yours. Perhaps I'm wrong with thinking your scum. UNVOTE:Twistedspoon wrote:what makes you believe that these ingredients aren't just here for flavour reasons?
What makes you think they are collectable?
and mass claims are hardly ever to the town's advantage
mafia learn who has what and town only get the wrong ideas from mafia claims.
all town need to do is lynch scum
Ingredients will either help scum or distact us from scumhunting.
Vezok, you're digging your own grave here
However, Mod's second post says: "You know that there is a candy mechanic in the game. The nature of this shall only be revealed when the game is over."
^ I just unvoted you, please try not to look like you're rolefishing. VOTE: TwistedspoonTwistedspoon wrote:Vezok seems to know too much for a VT role.
noted.
1) Who says town has a special mechanic?vezokpiraka wrote:I have enough reasons to believe that when town has a special mechanic and they don't use they end up losing.
For example: Mafia on Holy Orders. The town didn't bother too much with the mechanic and they ended up losing the game.
I game I played on another site: There was a mechanic that allowed people to connect to other people. Town was afraid that scum might do stuff to them if they connect and didn't try to connect to much. They ended up losing.
That's why I think mechanics should be exploited because it favors the town more than the scum.
2) Confirmation bias much? TOWN LOSING AND TOWN NOT USING A SPECIAL MECHANIC DON'T NECESSARILY CORRELATE.
I don't like where this is going. >.<mb53 wrote:Yes. I see where you are going with this.
Let's stop. Now, please. THIS IS NOT GOING TO WORK.
I am not answering Vezok's question.
Consequences haven't fully been thought out. (Or, rather, it's overlooking some possibilities.) Please, nobody else answer the question, I am telling you it is not going to work.
PREVIEW EDIT: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE NOBODY ELSE ANSWER VEZOK'S QUESTIONBenmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Vezok's open method strikes me as suicide for scum, and I have other reasons that I cannot disclose for the moment. I'm not ruling Vezok out as scum, but it just seems like too much of a gambit (paticularly if, as I have inferred, Vezok has a history of rolefishing like this).Twistedspoon wrote:hoppster is acting all suspiciousy. He's accused me of rolefishing. It's hard to beat Vezok at that though.
anyways, It looks like hoppster might know too much for VT too.
AND YOU'RE STILL LOOKING LIKE YOU'RE ROLEFISHING. More Twistedspoon votes please.
To reiterate my earlier point,NO FURTHER PEOPLE TO ANSWER VEZOK'S QUESTION PLEASE. THANK YOU.
Preview Edit: It's included at the top away from the more serious stuff. Besides, it's rude to leave a question unanswered.
@ mb53: Like, what? Also, your question is actually related to the problem.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Somebody's so scared of being accused of OMGUS that they aren't willing to attack who they (presumably) find scummy.Twistedspoon wrote:and you still look like you're trying too hard to look both town, dictate play and defend vezok
anyways, I'm not interested in tunneling on hoppster as he is on me.
(That's you, btw.)
I'm not trying to defending Vezok. Vezok could be town or scum for all I know. I'm insisting that nobody else answer Vezok's questions, regardless of whether Vezok is town or scum.
It's not immediately my first priority atm whether my play is coming across as scummy or towny (although I'd rather it be the latter), just as long as people obey my one request.
I'm happy to dictate play regarding this matter.
@ mb53: I'm not saying answering the question is scummy. >.<
I'm saying it doesn't help town (to my knowledge), but it almost certainly does hurt town.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Author's note: I got ninja'd several times during the construction of this post.
Vezok's role fishing is harmful but almost certainly not in a way that he intended it (if he is town). If he is scum, then again, it's harmful but possibly not in the way he intended it.
Your is just blunt. It's "OH HAI GUYZ THIS GUY IS EITHER SCUM OR PR". Scum know who is scum, so either you're showing yourself up as having identified them or you're giving them a better NK. Seriously, I'd much prefer you just flat out accuse people of being scum instead of your rolefishing with your "THIS GUY ISN'T VT!!!!111"
I didn't want to have to clarify that but you insist on being so narrow-minded about it. >.<
IT IS NOT GOOD FOR TOWN. SERIOUSLY. JUSTTHINKFOR A BIT ABOUT IT,PLEASE.
Also, are you insinuating that Vezok and I are scum buddies? Otherwise that point about me trying to get you to tunnel on me is just flawed. The only people attracted any real attention apart from myself are Vezok and yourself (albeit just from me for the latter).
Your point about CAPS LOCK isn't clever or funny. I am making valid points here and you're laughing it off as "CAPS LAWKE, LOLFAIL", either due to lack of a proper response or scum trying to piss me off.
Preview Edit: Wow, massive ninja. Zyrc, I love you. TS and mb53 - if you're town, please stop being soincrediblynarrow-minded.
Preview Edit 2: Oh man, this game... mb53, you are going to look really ridiculous when Zyrc flips town (as I'm 90% sure he will).
Preview Edit 3: Okay, I agree with Kalofer. Forget this whole stupid thing. That works.
Twisted, please read Kalofer's post. Kthx.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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You do realise that is,Twistedspoon wrote:
wow buddyingHoppster wrote:Zyrc, I love you.
this just gets better
VOTE: Hoppster
you wanted itat best, a null-tell? It's so full of WIFOM that basing a vote on it is just scummy or plain stupid.
If I'm scum, I could be framing a townie. Would scum be so stupid to declare they love their scum-buddies? Or maybe that's what I want you to think, because he actually is my scum-buddy.
(I'm assuming you think I'm scum, because otherwise, why are you voting me?!)
1) Did you read Kalofer's post?Twistedspoon wrote:
hoppster, It's you, not me, who's tunneling hereHoppster wrote: Twisted, please read Kalofer's post. Kthx.
I'm waiting for mb53's question to be answered and vezok to be posting to explain.
2) Did I ever accuse you of tunneling?
Failvote, please try again.
I have inferred from other people's reactions. >.<Twistedspoon wrote:
and you know what vezok intended?Hoppster wrote:
Vezok's role fishing is harmful but almost certainly not in a way that he intended it
hoppster, the omniscient townie, as ever
Seriously, you are being so anti-town right now it's ridiculous.
Use your goddamn fricking imagination. Seriously. You're so off-track it's ridiculous. You were the one insulting me (albeit as a joke) for having no imagination, use yours.
@ mb53: Thank you. Seriously. I am incredibly grateful. Although, I am fairly confident of Zyrc being town based on his reactions.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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IF YOU DON'T THINK I'M SCUM, WHY ARE YOU STILL VOTING ME.Twistedspoon wrote:
moar buddyingHoppster wrote: @ mb53: Thank you. Seriously. I am incredibly grateful. Although, I am fairly confident of Zyrc being town based on his reactions.
trying to make allies are we?
anyways, scum will have likely gone unnoticed so far, under the radar as it will
Hoppster is merely trying to make a name for himself as a scumhunter. Apparently the end justifies the means to him, no matter how anti-town they may be. coughsheepingbuddyingstrawmanningdefendingquestiondodgingetc.cough
This post reads very clearly as scum to me. He was attacking me hugely, and has completely ignored my responses to his recent points (which is just the post above his for crying out loud), and now that his only support in mb53 has gone, he's suddenly decided I'm not scum.
I still want a Twistedspoon lynch. His ISO is full of "HAI VEZOK YOU ROLEFISHER" whilst he rolefishes himself, then it's "Hoppster is totally scum", whilst he holds off on a vote, then when he does vote for me he has no basis whatsoever, then he decides I'm not scum, as scum are probably under the radar, when in reality nothing has changed apart from him losing the support of mb53 in his interrogation of me.
Spoiler: Answer to questions I have 'dodged'
Preview Edit: Twistedspoon, please stop being hypocritical.
OMG BUDDYING.Twistedspoon wrote:@Toasty: glad to see someone isn't basing their reads off of one pretty post. +1 townie pointBenmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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1) Twisted, your actions just aren't matching up with what you're saying.
You say you can't scum hunt and defend: you're doing neither adequately. You're not using your vote at all in your random accusations and your 'defence' of yourself consists of 0 valid points.
You call people scummy, and then don't vote for them.
You insist lurkers are probably scum, and then don't vote for them.
2) Uh-huh... so this pattern says scum are going after active players (ie. yourself). Oh, wait, scum are the lurkers (who in their absence aren't at your throat)? Which of the two are scum?Twistedspoon wrote:Oh, and i've seen a pattern that scum are always going after the most active players in my games.
Curse my high posting rate.
anyways, I expect the real scum to be lurking so far, and will try and comment on this when more people get to posting
3) Umm, WHY DON'TTwistedspoon wrote:and talk about wagoning.
Is no-one here going to talk about any other suspects, or are we going to let the mafia lurk and walk free?YOU?
4) If the mafia are lurkers, WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR THEM? YOU SEEM TO BE AN EXPERT ON PRESSURE VOTES, IT'D HELP US POOR MIS-GUIDED TUNNELLERS TO FIND SCUM.
I'm actually with Morthas here.Twistedspoon wrote:Zyrc, editing quotes or misquoting is really scummy
Also, answering questions directed at other players is scummy too. It was addressed to vezok, not you.
And, I don't think you know enough about me to judge me as a player.
5) He's not 'misquoting' you. He's making a point (albeit not as clear as he could have) that a lot of your recents posts are just "WAI YOU GUYZ VOTING ME I SO ACTIVE!"
6) Answering questions directed at other players is scummy HOW?
Numbered all my points for you so it's easier for you to respond and for me to point out questions/points unanswered.
Preview Edit:Twistedspoon is at L-1.
Preview Edit 2: DARN, NINJA'D.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Actually, to be fair to Twistedspoon, we do converse over PM and have been for a fair while now (nothing game related of course...).
And we have played together in a couple of marathon games. One he was a jester (and got lynched), the other I totally pwned him in Dethy (as far as is possible).
@ Twistedspoon:
1) You can vote now. If there are too many lurkers to choose between, why keep bringing them up with "OH I BET THEY'RE SCUM"? (Also, what you call defending yourself =/= defending yourself.)
2) Essentially then, you're saying that everybody is possible scum?
3) This is different to 1. 1 is about voting. This is about talking about other people. I really struggle to believe that you are suggesting we attack other people and then 'forget' to attack them yourself. In this point, you're also not referring to SOLELY lurkers.
4) See 1, but not 3, as they are different.
5) Dodged the brunt of the point here, about your defence being 'I'm so active!'. I see what you mean with the misquote point, but, really, quote tags are just like speech marks. When I go "PLZ STOP ATTACKING ME I'M SO ACTIVE" in reference to you, I don't mean that you said it, but I mean that you're effectively saying it.
6) Not in all cases. If it's a factual thing (as it was in this case), then it's not an opinion you're forcing on people. It's a fact, which would be the answer to the question.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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I accept no responsibility for being awesome.
1) Kay. This point does not require further answering.
2) You're admitting to making fluff posts then, or posts where you try and look like you're contributing by narrowing down suspects when you're really not. The posts where you accuse people of being scum you've now just admitted are accusing everybody of being scum, so really, you're not scumhunting in the losest definition of the word, you're just going "HE COULD BE SCUM, BUT DON'T FORGET THIS GUY TOO!!!11!"
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Talking about suspects =/= voting for suspects. You're either trying to get other people to do the work for you or just simply shift people's suspicions of you onto other people. Your defence for not voting people won't cut it for not talking about other people. There are lots of people to talk about, doesn't have to be lurkers (indeed, would make more sense not to be lurkers), and you brought up the point so there's no 'I forgot' excuse.Hoppster wrote:
3) Umm, WHY DON'TTwistedspoon wrote:and talk about wagoning.
Is no-one here going toabout any other suspects, or are we going to let the mafia lurk and walk free?talkYOU?
4) This number has outlived it's usefulness. This point does not need further answering.
5) Your defence is essentially just "I AM SO ACTIVE SO I CAN'T BE SCUM", Y/N?
6) The person who asks the question gets their answer back faster. I really don't seeanythingbad about answer questions that are solely to do with facts rather than interpretation. You're not giving a reason for it being bad, you're just saying "ITZ SCUMMEH".Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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2) Why wasn't this your initial response to my question, "Essentially then, you're saying that everybody is possible scum"? I'll admit my interpretation was possibly incorrect, but if your point was 'lurkers + people attacking me are more likely scum', then my question would make no sense in the context. Essentially, youweren'tsaying everybody is possible scum - that wasn't your point. Logically, when presented with an incorrect interpretation of your point, you don't agree with it (although you may agree with the misinterpreted point), you correct it to what your point actually was (perhaps adding that you believe the misinterpretation to be true as well).
3) Yes, my point is WHY DIDN'TYOUSTART THE TALKING? Paticularly as you believe it to be so good/pro-town.
5) Do you seriously expect people to buy your activity level as an excuse for not being scum? That it is a automatic defence against any mistakes? If that were the case, then everybody would be active, and then nobody would be scum!
6) Scum could give the wrong answer. Town could give the wrong answer. Still don't see why it's scummy.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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This is like banging my head against a brick wall.
2) In short: you admitted your point was that everybody is possible scum. You then denied it.
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THOSE REASONS DON'T QUITE CUT IT FOR NOT STARTING DISCUSSION.Twistedspoon wrote:1) I've been too busy defending myself to vote. That and I forgot. That and there are too many lurkers too choose between. That and it's only day 2.
4 reasons there
a) Too busy defending yourself to vote, but not too busy to bring up discussing other people as a self-defence?
b) You didn't forget, you brought it up.
c) It would make logically less sense for discussion to be around lurkers anyway, so that's not an issue.
d) You brought it up, you wanted people to talk about other suspects. Wasn't too early for you to want other people to do it, why is it too early for you? Here's what you said in case you've forgotten:Twistedspoon wrote:is no-one here going to talk about any other suspects
5) No it doesn't.
None of those hold any weight whatsoever.Twistedspoon wrote:like i say, I don't see the point in defending myself 5 pages in but to keep you guys happy, I'll say that scum would never be as active as me, I wasn't rolefishing, and my pro-townness outweighs my anti-towness
6) You're over-estimating the effect answering a question incorrectly has on town. It's not like "OH WAIT HE SAID 2+2=5 NOW I CAN SELF-HAMMER LALALA". It's simply a matter for one person having to correct another. But, whatever. I'm getting nowhere, so I'll drop this point.
You're either playing dumb or just simply unable to grasp what I'm getting at. Maybe I'm being dumb myself, I'll wait for other people to input.
Also, some people are going to have to catch up on 6+ pages. I don't want them to have to wade through a page of us going in circles. >.<
Preview Edit: TWISTEDSPOON, THAT POST IS EXACTLY WHAT WIFOM IS. Gah.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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2) That's not my point. You admitted that your point was just 'A: everybody could be scum', then when I pointed out this was fluff, you changed it to 'B: everybody could be scum but some are more likely to be scum'. This was probably due in part to my initially incorrect interpretation (A), but then my point is why didn't you correct it (to B)?
3) FFS THAT'S NOT MY POINT. I'M POINTING OUT THE HYPOCRISY/SCUMMINESS IN YOU WANTING OTHER PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT OTHER SUSPECTS, WHILE YOU, A SUSPECT, DO NO SUCH THING YOURSELF. This seems totally like scum diverting suspicion from themselves onto other people.
5) I didn't counter it because I thought it was obvious.
[a] WIFOM on whether scum would be active. Not a defence.
You weren't rolefishing? If you genuinely think that's a defence, you need to think about all your attacks and actions. I don't deserve to be voted. I have stated that, and obviously, because I've stated it, it must be true. Please unvote me now, kthx. Also, I am awesome. I've stated it, it must be true. You were rolefishing. OH WAIT PARADOX OH NOES.
[c] Pro-towness outweighing anti-towness? See.
6) Hah, you're funny. (Notice the sarcasm.) BTW, this =/= my case. This is part of my case. I also find it amusing that you think you've answered all 6 points to a satisfactory degree.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Huh. I think I've found a tell of yours.Twistedspoon wrote:shrug
it says my alignment is town, and that's what matters
Twistedspoon wrote:shrug
how can I scumhunt when I'm defending myself.
Anyways, scum would want me to defend myself; it distracts me from scumhunting.
A 'shrug' immediately preceeds a post where you are under-pressure, being attacked, and grasping at straws. I would say it sets out a 'panicky' mindset. Largely what follows a 'shrug' post is a load of nonsense.Twistedspoon wrote:shrug
i don't have to defend myself 5 pages into the game.
I don't see what your point is
What's odd is that all that provokes this 'shrug' post is:
This somehow makes him revert to the 'shrug' mindset - panicking. This only really makes sense if he were scum - and I think it's very possible that he is scum who, upon being requested for a claim, panicked, and claimed his scum role except town-aligned (which is why he panicks yet again when Amrun points out it makes more sense as a scummy role).Amrun wrote:That sounds like a scummy role, tbh.
I am strongly inclined to believe that the candy 'taking' mechanic, if it exists (which I believe it probably does), will be scum-aligned.
Sums up my thoughts perfectly.Zyrconium wrote:To be specific, there's no doubt in my mind he's telling the truth about his role, his alignment however is still questionable.
Just FYI, I disagree with this reasoning. The 13 suspicious characters refers to all of us, regardless of whether we're zoo visitors or candy animals.Amrun wrote:She is a zoo visitor and the flavor in the beginning makes it seem like one of the zoo visitors are the murderers.
I'm not following you here.mb53 wrote:I believe twisted's claim. Multiple reasons. One, is I doubt scum would be able to make up such a role. Two, my gut town read. Three, I re-read the thread, and found that zyr's vote on TS is even more bullshit than I thought it was.
1) Scum might not have to make up such a role. It could genuinely be a scum role.
2) This is very, very dodgy. Firstly, I'm pretty sure this is confirmation bias: "I reckon he's town, so his claim must be true." Perhaps if your town-read was supported by evidence and was reasoned, but a gut read? No. It also contradicts your earlier,non-gutstances on him:mb53 wrote:Dropping my town read down to a could-go-either-way read (null).mb53 wrote:Meh. Less than adequate defense. Keeping you at null.
Pretty much the only thing to come up since then has been Twistedspoon's claim. Why has his claim made you revert to your gut read over your reasoned read?mb53 wrote:TS is getting scummier by the post >_>
3) This is not even a reason for believing Twistedspoon's claim.
I want to see how the lurkers react to the Twistedspoon case and other stuff, and I think we need to explore the mb53 avenue. I think it will also help to see how Twistedspoon reacts to it.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: mb53
@ Toasty: Did you really intend to hammer before we'd heard back from everybody?Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Thoughts on mb53, Twistedspoon?
ATTENTION RETURNING LURKERS: Please pay extra care if voting Twistedspoon. I don't want him hammered before we've heard from everybody.
Having said that, I am still all for a Twistedspoon lynch when we've heard from everybody.
Preview Edit: Twisted, you might convince us if you stopped defending yourself with WIFOM.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Glad I wasn't the only one who thought that. I thought I was just being paranoid.Amrun wrote:Ever since your claim, something hasn't sat right with me. Why go and add the green for emphasis? Why did it feel so scummy?
Because it is a scum role, that's why.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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@ mb52: Yeah, I missed your earlier post, sorry. But still, what makes you go with your gut in believing his claim over your head?
Preview Edit: YAY! Now I can finally illustrate my WIFOM point.
If I had any link with Amrun, I wouldn't have made that post, because it would be obvious that we had a link.
REFUTE THAT.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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So why is your WIFOM acceptable and mine isn't? Because mine is true and the truth is harder to face than a lie?Twistedspoon wrote:
too late now, you didHoppster wrote: If I had any link with Amrun, I wouldn't have made that post, because it would be obvious that we had a link.
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/facepalmTwistedspoon wrote:other way round, mine is true
anyways, no WIFOM is acceptable, yours is just worse since your using it after telling me not to
THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF IT.
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WITHIN THE LAST HOUR, TWISTEDSPOON.Twistedspoon wrote:If I was scum I would have claimed candy animal. I know that's a town role, why take a risk with a zoo visitor claim?
SO TEMPTED TO VOTE IF YOU'RE NOT ALREADY HAMMERED. >.<
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Lol. Heck no.Twistedspoon wrote:
what?Twistedspoon wrote:I'm dead then
ah well, I know you can win this one for me town.
I was town aligned, shame you didn't believe me
have fun guys, all the best
I thought I was dead
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Please don't use AtE on top of WIFOM.Twistedspoon wrote:when I signed up for candy zoo I didn't expect it to be so serious. :[
last time I ever post actively. next time I'll take Nobody special's or Hazard's approach; they don't seem to be today's lynch.
elaborate now, whilst I'm still alive.Amrun wrote:after the flip, if I am wrong, I'll be happy to elaborate.
Being active is fine if you don't use WIFOM to such an extent and basically ask to be lynched in the process.
Elaborating before the flip is bad. Gives scum more information.
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Scumhunt?Twistedspoon wrote:basically if you were in my shoes, you'd have no defence either apart from the truth which just so happens to be WIFOM
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Eghhhhh. Just saw your 'gasp' post now.mb53 wrote:When he first claimed, I didn't take my own role PM into account. Then I remembered after amrun mentioned it (remember my *gasp* post?)
Twistedspoon, opinion please.
PREVIEW EDIT: OMG TWISTEDSPOON, JUST WHY???!!!
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@ Twisted: Yes, depending on whether the people who we haven't heard from at all say. It's possible they pick up on scummy things we miss.
I'm very conflicted, as he's now at L-2 I think. Ireallydon't want somebody else to just pop in and nochalantly hammer after agreeing with the case, I can see that happening. >.>
This whole day is going very fast, we still have ages until deadline. I think we can afford to slow down, calm down and wait for input. Although I don't hold out much hope going into a weekend.
HOW CAN YOU GUESS THAT IF YOU'RE TOWN?Twistedspoon wrote:I'm guessing the role PM of candy animal says that bad guys will try to steal your goodies?
If so, then I'm an exception
This is not a bastard mod. You know that you're town. Why speculate on PMs saying "bad guys will steal your goodies" if you KNOW that good guys do?Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Okay... okay...
I wholeheartedly recommend that everybody who has been swept into this Twistedspoon thing just take a step back. We either wait for other people to input, or explore other avenues. I'm going to at least, because I am actually getting sucked into WIFOM with "Would scum really be dumb enough to do that?" and other crap.
@ Amrun: Do you believe mb53's explanation for his inconsistent view of TS's claim?
@ Toasty: I'm still a bit perplexed by you requesting Twistedspoon to hammer when we still had people with just one vote in place. Did you not think about hearing from them before asking for the claim?Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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mb53 is really confusing me right now.mb53 wrote:My role PM almost flat out states that your(Twistedspoon)role is scum.Hazard with a Glove wrote:I have my reasons[for believing Twistedspoon will be a mislynch].mb53 wrote:Unvote, Vote: Zyrc
I can guess those reasons.
Your role PM is very strongly suggesting Twistedspoon is scum, yet somebody floats in with "DON'T LYNCH HIM, I HAVE MY REASONS" and suddenly you clock on to his mysterious reasonsmb53 wrote:(My) Sequence Of Events/Thoughts
Thought TS was town.
Kept getting scummier, even though I kept a gut town read.
Claimed, believed claim.
Realized that the claim had to be scum.
Trusts hazard, TS must be town.despite the fact your Role PM strongly implies he is scum?
And why have you changed your wording from "I can guess those reasons" to 'trusting' Hazard? 'Guessing' involves at least some logic, but 'trust' is just a hunch thing... and I don't understand why you'd trust somebody on a hunch when it contradicts your Role PM.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Goddamnit.
@ Hazard: Do you think it's likely mb53 will have been able to 'guess' what your reasons are, bearing in mind he apparently has a Role PM that makes out Twistedspoon as scum?
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@ Hazard: Okay, fine. However, I can only think of a few things that your reasons could be toguaranteeTwistedspoon is town, and most of them don't seem very likely. There are some things that maysuggestTwistedspoon is town, but then are clearly things that suggest he is scum. Don't answer this unless you feel it is necessary to, I just wanted you to know what I'm thinking.
@ Twisted: Anyinklingof what Hazard's reasons are? Y/N.
FTFY. Of course they don't know the reason it says you're scum. But in answer to your question possibly, yes.Twistedspoon wrote:is it really that bad to saywhyhow your PM says I'm scum?
crazypianist1116 wrote:Obvious wifom from twisted has already been pointed out as well as some other fallacies. I'm going to have to join the people that say my pm implies twisted is scum.
Had an mb53-esque revelation?crazypianist1116 wrote:I don't think TS is scum either.
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Right, okay.mb53 wrote:
I guess strongly implied would fit best.mb53: in YOUR PM, is it explicitly stated or just (strongly?) implied that TS's role is scum?
Also, yes, amrun explaining is good.
@ Amrun & crazypianist: Same question as well.
@ Amrun specifically: Is there no scenario possible that would have Twistedspoon being town (with your Role PM still being true)? Are you just reading too far into your PM? Taking it just at face value, does it necessarily incriminate him as scum?Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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@ Stels: I think you are reading too much into the pre-game info.
So basically your attitude is "Ok, lynch him. I think he's town but I'm not going to stop you"?Kalofer wrote:Ok I guess the role PM does make sense and now I have less of an objection to lynching TS (other than that I still think he's town). Lynch him if you want but I want no part in it. I still think we should go for the mb lynch for his many inconsistencies. Evil people may be italicised to emphasise that it is evil people, and TS may not fall in that category. I'd like to know how day 2 is going to start if TS flips town, another townie is killed and amrun is still alive.
What do you mean by this? Hasn't your whole point been that you don't think this is the case?Amrun wrote:It doesn't say, but they might also be good people!
It's not the zoo visitor bit, it's the taking goodies bit that concerns me.Twistedspoon wrote:this is why the zoo visitor role shouldn't be auto-scumBenmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Amrun wrote:I forgot the exact wording myself until I double checked. It's a small thing, easy to overlook when caught up in the moment.
You consider 'evil people' in italics to be easy to overlook? That seems like something that would stick in my head.Amrun wrote:My PM says that "evil people" are after my goodies.
"Evil people" is italicized.
@ Twisted: I agree with Hazard here... if you were concerned about outing yourself, just don't comment on it. That's really quite obvious, I don't see how you missed that...Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Are you saying Hazard is scum as well, then? Do you think scum would plan to both fake-claim identical claims day one? It would make no sense for Hazard to do it, with Twisted nearing a lynch.Stels wrote:The fact that TS's role name is the same as one that came from pre-game info can be interpreted that TS probably took his claim from the pre-game info (fake-claim). Since my role pm doesn't say anything about him being scum, he is a null read. Other's say he is scum.
The fact that other people view him as scum even now despite being a PR, probably suggests that he might have taken the claim from the pre-game info.
Doesn't that strike you as weird?
I am going to reiterate my belief that the candy mechanic is, at the very least, a scum role. Could be town as well, but I'm not so sure on that.
UNVOTE:
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VOTE: Twistedspoon
Let's get this wagon going.
I'm not really keen on a Zyrconium lynch.
@ Kalofer: I don't think a mb53 lynch is going to happen. Out of Zyrc and TS, whom would you rather see lynched?Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Okay, who do you want to be lynched? I doubt a Toasty lynch will happen, you're not exactly helping yourself.Twistedspoon wrote:
and why do you think it stopped in the first place?Hoppster wrote:VOTE: Twistedspoon
Let's get this wagon going.
I'm not really keen on a Zyrconium lynch.
because the sensible players realised it was far to risky today, and lynching a claimed PR makes no sense anyways.
srsly, if my candy-taking ability turns out to be really useful, we will have shot ourselves in the foot here
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I do have a couple of reservations about him, but his responses to earlier 'stimuli' make me think he's town.ToastyToast wrote:
why not?Hoppster wrote: I'm not really keen on a Zyrconium lynch.
Also, this just reminded me of something.
Firstly, how the hell did you get over your whole 'HOPPSTER IS SCUM THING'?
Also/Secondly, explain this please:
Context.Twistedspoon wrote:hoppster is acting all suspiciousy. He's accused me of rolefishing. It's hard to beat Vezok at that though.
anyways, It looks like hoppster might know too much for VT too.
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Hoppster wrote:Firstly, how the hell did you get over your whole 'HOPPSTER IS SCUM THING'?
Also/Secondly, explain this please:
Context.Twistedspoon wrote:hoppster is acting all suspiciousy. He's accused me of rolefishing. It's hard to beat Vezok at that though.
anyways, It looks like hoppster might know too much for VT too.
How was I acting suspiciously?Ahem.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Hoppster wrote:Hoppster wrote:Firstly, how the hell did you get over your whole 'HOPPSTER IS SCUM THING'?
Also/Secondly, explain this please:
Context.Twistedspoon wrote:hoppster is acting all suspiciousy. He's accused me of rolefishing. It's hard to beat Vezok at that though.
anyways, It looks like hoppster might know too much for VT too.
How was I acting suspiciously?Ahem.AHEM.
What makes Amrun a proven townie? Paticularly following a Twistedspoon lynch (as in your hypothetical scenario).Kalofer wrote:GOOD QUESTION, and what will you do if he flips town? What possible information does town get? That an idiot wasn't scum? And then we have the nightkill of someone like amrun who can now be said to be a proven townie for nothing?
Why only these people and not Mothras, Stels & Vezok? What makes them immune from becoming a potential lurking threat?Kalofer wrote:Hazard, MB, Crazy, Hoppster, Toasty, NobodyBenmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Twistedspoon wrote:because at the time you never said why you didn't want vezok's question answering :/Hazard with a Glove wrote:Next, don't lynch TS. Just don't, it WILL be a mislynch.
So it's suspicious if I have mysterious reasons, but if Hazard doesn't, it's okay, because he's defending you?Hazard with a Glove wrote:I have my reasons.
And also, can't you figure out my reasons?
Also:
Answer this please.Hoppster wrote:Hoppster wrote:Hoppster wrote:Firstly, how the hell did you get over your whole 'HOPPSTER IS SCUM THING'?Ahem.AHEM.
I didn't mention Zyrc because Zyrc is included in the original post above the bit I quoted, and Kalofer assumes Amrun to be town for some reason. Then it's just Kalofer and TS left.Stels wrote:
You forgot to mention the other half of the player list.Hoppster wrote:
Why only these people and not Mothras, Stels & Vezok? What makes them immune from becoming a potential lurking threat?Kalofer wrote:Hazard, MB, Crazy, Hoppster, Toasty, NobodyBenmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Kalofer wrote:Amrun: town, I don't think scum would start such an original wagon as amrun did after TS claimed town, knowing that (if amrun was scum) TS would flip town.
@ Kalofer: Is this it?Kalofer wrote:amrun who can now be said to be a proven townie
Your phrasing, 'proven townie', surely suggests something more along the lines of a bona-fide confirmed townie. You're willing to call somebody aproven towniebased on conjecture?
Anyway, what exactly makes it an 'original wagon', when it went to L-1 with intent to hammer?
Furthermore, you're insinuating that because TS claimed town, scum are less likely to push the wagon. This I find quite frankly ridiculous. Nobody is going to claim scum. So basically, you're generalising to "scum don't push wagons post-claim". Really?
FoS: Kalofer
Far too eager to express Amrun as proven townie.
@ Hazard: Are you voting because Twisted's lie makes you think he's scum or just because he's lying?
Still this.Hoppster wrote:Twistedspoon wrote:because at the time you never said why you didn't want vezok's question answering :/Hazard with a Glove wrote:Next, don't lynch TS. Just don't, it WILL be a mislynch.
So it's suspicious if I have mysterious reasons, but if Hazard doesn't, it's okay, because he's defending you?Hazard with a Glove wrote:I have my reasons.
And also, can't you figure out my reasons?
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Answer this please.Hoppster wrote:Hoppster wrote:Hoppster wrote:Firstly, how the hell did you get over your whole 'HOPPSTER IS SCUM THING'?Ahem.AHEM.
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@ TS: If you cannot guess my reasons, please answer the following FULLY:
Add clarification is you feel it is necessary to ensure your answer is TOTALLY unambiguous.vezokpiraka wrote:Do evil people want to know your goodies?Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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I've dropped this now you've ignored it so many times!Hoppster wrote:
Still this.Hoppster wrote:Also:
Answer this please.Hoppster wrote:Hoppster wrote:Hoppster wrote:Firstly, how the hell did you get over your whole 'HOPPSTER IS SCUM THING'?Ahem.AHEM.
^ loljk. Answer this still please.
DAMNIT THAT'S AMBIGUOUS.Twistedspoon wrote:
perhaps, but only if they can get hold of themHoppster wrote:@ TS: If you cannot guess my reasons, please answer the following FULLY:
Add clarification is you feel it is necessary to ensure your answer is TOTALLY unambiguous.vezokpiraka wrote:Do evil people want to know your goodies?
townies like me would want to know where they can get goodies too though
What do you mean by perhaps? Why would they only want them if they can get hold of them?
It's partly my fault I guess. I'll reword the question:
USING ONLY WHAT IS IN YOUR PM:
a) Do you have goodies to steal? Y/N
b) Do evil people want your goodies? Y/N, then a reason/clarification if necessary. 'Maybe' is not an acceptable Y/N answer.
Yes, you can be 100% sure at times. Certain situations arise where it is possible for somebody to be confirmed town. Masons are 100% confirmed town to each other, and certain roles such as the Innocent Child can be 100% confirmed town, and it is possible for night actions to clear somebody as confirmed town.Kalofer wrote:Awww how cute. Obviously one can't be 100% sure when playing a guessing game but as far as 100% goes in guessing games I'm sure that Amrun is town because IMO scum would definitely not re start a wagon on someone who they know is town only to get pressure on them the next day so they die as well.
Perhaps you don't understand the weight in calling somebody 'proven town'. That means to me that somebody is town beyond all doubt, which I can't really say about anybody at the moment (apart from myself, obviously).
Nobody's actively self-proclaiming themselves as town apart from Twistedspoon...Kalofer wrote:you self proclaimed townies
This is actually getting silly now.Kalofer wrote:And yes I am saying scum don't push wagons post-claim, why would they, knowing the person who claimed is town (or rather what I meant is while scum may push wagons post-claim, I would find it ard to believe that they actually START a wagon on a townie post-claim).
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LOOK WHAT I FOUND 6 POSTS ABOVE YOURS, TWISTEDSPOON!
I've actually reached the continuous quoting limit I've been quoting my unanswered question so many times.
I can still quote this bit though:
I think what Kalofer is doing is that he's trying to get himself lynched to protect his scumbuddy Twistedspoon. This goody-taking mechanic must be very important for scum.Hoppster wrote:USING ONLY WHAT IS IN YOUR PM:
a) Do you have goodies to steal? Y/N
b) Do evil people want your goodies? Y/N, then a reason/clarification if necessary. 'Maybe' is not an acceptable Y/N answer.
Here (with Twisted at L-4 post-claim) he says he has less of an objection to Twisted's lynch, and he seems more willing to let it happen:Kalofer wrote:Ok I guess the role PM does make sense and now I have less of an objection to lynching TS (other than that I still think he's town). Lynch him if you want but I want no part in it.
However, when the wagon reaches L-2, he becomes much more actively against a TS lynch:Kalofer wrote:now that I see amrun's (and therefore everyone who supported amrun's case) point of view I guess through your interpretation maybe he does deserve a lynch
@ Kalofer: I'd like to hear your take on Amrun's Role PM stating TS's role to be scum.Kalofer wrote:GOOD QUESTION, and what will you do if he flips town? What possible information does town get? That an idiot wasn't scum? And then we have the nightkill of someone like amrun who can now be said to be a proven townie for nothing? And we start from day one with two townies less?
I would feel much better knowing that I eliminated what I see as a potential lurking threat in the form of all those people mentioned above, than feel relieved that an idiot who was puking so much scumminess he totally rocketed off from the scale of scumminess to falling on what I perceive as obvitown so far that I don't believe even WIFOM would excuse him of this (yes for the first time I am dealing with absolutes in a guessing game).
SO ANSWER THIS BEFORE YOU LYNCH:
WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN/IF HE FLIPS TOWN?
@ Twistedspoon: Opinions on Kalofer (specifically regarding recent posts), kthx.
mb53, some of what you've been saying is just not adding up.mb53 wrote:My role PM almost flat out states that your[Twistedspoon's]role is scum.mb53 wrote:Unvote, Vote: Zyrc
I can guess those reasons[that Hazard has for saying Twistedspoon is town].mb53 wrote:I did guess that[Twistedspoon and Hazard have the same role]however, which is why I backed off of TS.
What this essentially condenses down into is that your Role PM strongly implies Twistedspoon's role is scum, but because somebody else is claiming the same role, you're disregarding your PM and saying both are town, even though common sense dictates Twistedspoon would remain scum and Hazard would also become scum?mb53 wrote:I think that both TS and hazard have the same, town-aligned role.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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This sounds like confirmation to me.Kalofer wrote:Very interesting theory hoppster, I'm not telling you anything though so yeah whatever.
No, I just find it scummy that you dropped a very persistent attack on me. I want to know why, as perhaps there is a reasonable explanation for it. From your answer, it would seem not.Twistedspoon wrote:
does it matter why?Hoppster wrote:LOOK WHAT I FOUND 6 POSTS ABOVE YOURS, TWISTEDSPOON!
I've actually reached the continuous quoting limit I've been quoting my unanswered question so many times.
A townie wouldn't care as long as they know they wouldn't be myslynched, and I wouldn't want to give scum the satisfaction of saying why so
That, and I honestly don't remember which post of your it was that made me reconsider
Also, why did it take you so long to even acknowledge my point?
It also ASTOUNDS ME how you only answer one of the issues I wanted you to answer in my post though.
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a) Do you have goodies to steal? Y/N
b) Do evil people want your goodies? Y/N, then a reason/clarification if necessary. 'Maybe' is not an acceptable Y/N answer.Hoppster wrote:@ Twistedspoon: Opinions on Kalofer (specifically regarding recent posts), kthx.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I have a compelling and near-irrefutable case to prove to you that Twistedspoon is scum, or at the very best, a townie lying about his PR.
This is the question that you may remember vezok asking early on. Now, imagine that you have Twistedspoon's Role PM, which he claims to be along the lines of this:QUOTE 1: vezokpiraka wrote:And I found a way to break the game open.
Do evil people want to know your goodies? Y/N
Just answer and say nothing more. Everyone has to do this.
He then clarifies on this further when I prompt him:QUOTE 2: Twistedspoon wrote:I am azoo visitor
I don't have any ingredients
My alignment is town though. My win condition is when all threats to the town are eliminated
Each night I can target another player to visit. If I target a candy animal I can take their goodies.
Apparently If i get enough of the goodies I can make something from them, I don't know what yet.QUOTE 3: Hoppster wrote:USING ONLY WHAT IS IN YOUR PM:
a) Do you have goodies to steal? Y/N
b) Do evil people want your goodies? Y/N, then a reason/clarification if necessary. 'Maybe' is not an acceptable Y/N answer.
So! Imagine you are a town-aligned PR with the ability to steal goodies - BUT, IMPORTANTLY, NO GOODIES YOURSELF. You see somebody asking: "Do evil people want to know your goodies?" Now, this puts you in a bit of a conundrum. Obviously, you can't answer this. Saying 'Yes' would be lying; 'No' would beQUOTE 4: Twistedspoon wrote:1)I, myself have no ingredients; I am a zoo visitor
2)I have no goodies. looking back at my role PM though, it does explicitly say that I can make something useful out of goodiesstrongly implyingthat you have goodies, just that evil people don't want to steal them. Twistedspoon shows awareness of this implication with his recent clarification (Quote 3/4, point b/2) - when asked the same question that vezok asked (with a bit of elaboration from me), he replies that he has no goodies.
So, there can be no doubt that he misunderstood the implication of answering 'No' to vezok's question (Quote 1). So, what are the options when presented with vezok's question?(A)You can't say 'Yes' as that is lying; 'No' is also lying in a way as it implies you have goodies; 'I HAVE NO GOODIES' is a flat-out way of identifying yourself as a PR or at least drawing unwarranted attention to yourself. So, what should you do? Then you think: assuming there are other Town PRs, what are they going to do?
This then sparks the basic logic process:
(i)I am a Town Power Role.
(ii)I have no goodies to steal.
(iii)It is likely that all other Town PRs have no goodies to steal. (this excludes the possibility of Candy Animals with powers)
(iv)Therefore it is a fair presumption that those who answer vezok's question (see Quote 1) are not PRs (having said that, seeiiifor the possible errors in this).
(v)Regardless of whetherivis accurate, it is a logical conclusion that those who DO answer vezok's question are NOT (non-candy animal) PRs, and those who do not answer vezok's question are, probability-wise, more likely to be a town PR (again, seeiiifor possible incorrect assumptions). Of course there could be some cautious town non-PRs who didn't answer the question, and some people may not have had the opportunity to answer it, but the odds of each person who didn't answer it being a PR has improved.
(vi)It is therefore bad for people to answer vezok's question.
Although it's simple in my head, I'm aware that I've overcomplicated it above in my attempt to explain it. So, a simplification:
(I)I am a Town Power Role.
(II)I have no goodies to steal.
(III)Identifying who has goodies could therefore possibly identify Power Roles.
(IV)Therefore identifying who has goodies is bad.
My point is this: it would be fairly simple for anybody who was town-aligned with Twisted's role to grasp this logic. And thus, when I asked people not to answer vezok's question, they would not have any protests. However, Twisted's response:
As somebody who would KNOW that answering vezok's question is bad for themselves (seeTwistedspoon wrote:hoppster is acting all suspiciousy.A), and also bad for town (seeI-IV) this does not make sense. Conclusion: he didn't know answering vezok's question was bad for town, because he doesn't have the Role PM he claims to have, because he's scum.
On other semi-related points:- You still haven't answered my question about how you dropped that 'HOPPSTER IS SCUM' thing.
- You think that Kalofer's recent posts are rational?
Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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I'll let you know if it happens.Twistedspoon wrote:what'll you say when you find out I'm both town and the role I've claimed?
Kalofer wrote:UNVOTE:
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naaaaah I'm doing it for the lulzAmrun wrote:Wow, Kalofer, gonna bother to explain? Is that pure OMGUS?
These are all rational according to you, Twistedspoon?Kalofer wrote:Very interesting theory hoppster, I'm not telling you anything though so yeah whatever.
So you were happy to put other possible PRs under suspicion to save yourself?Twistedspoon wrote:5) to protect my PR status I must act as though I know little of the candy stealing mechanic and act as if those who know more than the sample role PM are suspicious. Thus, I am unlikely to be a PR due to my little knowledge shown of candy mechanics
@ Toasty: Well, I'm conflicted on vezok. The fact that mb53, Amrun and yourself answered it makes me think there may be some conceivable angle vezok is coming from. I'm not sure how vezok would know to ask a question that at least three other people would answer 'yes' to if he were scum. Having said that, I'm not sure why town would assume such a question would break a game open, so I'm unsure.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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*poke*Hoppster wrote:Kalofer wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: HoppsterKalofer wrote:
naaaaah I'm doing it for the lulzAmrun wrote:Wow, Kalofer, gonna bother to explain? Is that pure OMGUS?
These are all rational according to you, Twistedspoon?Kalofer wrote:Very interesting theory hoppster, I'm not telling you anything though so yeah whatever.
BUT YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION THAN THE SAMPLE PM, YOU KNOW YOU'RE TOWN - YOU KNOW YOU'RE A TOWN PR FURTHER TO THIS.Twistedspoon wrote:
no, the idea was to put mafia under suspicionHoppster wrote: So you were happy to put other possible PRs under suspicion to save yourself?
Why is it then impossible for other people who appear to have more information than the sample PM to then also be town PRs?Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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OHOHOHOHO.Twistedspoon wrote:they could Be PRs, but if they're prepared to say they know more than a candy animal about ingredient taking mechanics, then they've already claimed PR anyways :/
the kalofer part? I can't vouch for him, but this setup is very mysterious and I'm sure he has his reasons. The parts I found rational were elsewhere anyways. Why not ask Kalofer why he voted for you again, like you've done with me
srsly, why are you asking me about kalofer anyways?
So when Kalofer and Hazard have mysterious reasons for anything, you're attitude is "THEY HAVE THEIR REASONS." Are you giving them a free pass because they both were defending you (at the time of these mysterious reasons) on your side? Yet when I have mysterious reasons, you're all "SCUMSCUMSCUM"?
You're also very touchy when I'm asking you about Kalofer.
My comprehensive post here shows how it was pro-town, and also LOGICAL, to prevent further speculation. Perhaps outing 1 PR, but saving possibly several.
And what would it matter if they've outed themselves as a PR? You would attack them for that?Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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CAUGHT YOU CAUGHT YOU CAUGHT YOU SCUM!!!!Twistedspoon wrote:why would I attack someone I believe to have the same role as me? If I believed them to be mafia, then sure, but otherwise why would I?
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how can I?Hoppster wrote: @ Twisted: Anyinklingof what Hazard's reasons are? Y/N.
I don't have his Role PMBenmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Had to post that quickly. I wanted maximum exposure for the defining moment I caught you as scum.
Twistedspoon wrote:I'm not giving Kalofer a free pass for the posts you quoted. I'm not giving him one at all
What happened when I made a post with mysterious reasons again? Oh yeah.Twistedspoon wrote:I can't vouch for him, but this setup is very mysterious and I'm sure he has his reasons.Twistedspoon wrote:hoppster is acting all suspiciousy.
Preview Edit: I'm starting to think Kalofer is a jester. Either that, or he's doing quite a good job of trying to attract a lynch to protect his scumbuddy. Not quite good enough though. Self-voting would be a good start, Kalofer.
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In the first 3 lines, you are defending your response to Kalofer.Twistedspoon wrote:I'm not giving Kalofer a free pass for the posts you quoted. I'm not giving him one at all
I advised you ask him again for your information; I know nothing of it
But i did like some other parts of kalofers posts
why would I attack someone I believe to have the same role as me? If I believed them to be mafia, then sure, but otherwise why would I?
However, in the fourth line, you are clearly insinuating that you're not attacking Hazard because you believed him to have the same role as you. Yes, it's worded ambiguously, however, in context of my post, it's quite clear. No other logical interpretation is possible. Feel free to prove me wrong, but I'm quite sure I'm not wrong.
However, you didn't know Hazard's role at the time he had his mysterious reasons. You also showed you had no idea what he was talking about, so your reason for letting Hazard off is BS.Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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