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Irrelevant, nintendo. Town calls itself Town, scum calls itself Town, third party (usually) calls itself Town. Even if he were on my scumteam, chesskid's blatant bullying and ad hominem playstyle is not something I want anything to do with.
DH, what's your deal? I have very clearly-stated and contemplated reasons, which predate role PMs. So clearly it has nothing to do with my status as Town/scum/third party. Care to explain yourself?"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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That's called a policy lynch, DH. I don't have any idea at this point what chesskid's alignment is, but the fact that he suggested two policy lynches prior to role PMs, both against people he's never played with before, and followed through with that completely ad hominem, personal attack tells me that he isn't playing to Town wincon. He probably isn't playing to scum wincon, either. He's playing to the "let's screw with these people and derive as much personal enjoyment at their expense as possible" wincon.
I find the fact that you're defending that behavior to be appalling and unlike the player and mod that I've worked with before."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Can we just trust me on the fact that the pecker comment was just C-Worl being his usual inane and stupid self? Believe it or not, it's a (very) mild Town tell on him, and there are more productive areas of discussion.
Regfan's points on DH, for example. I'm too close to the issue, so I'd rather hear others' opinions before I go with my gut reaction to it."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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@DH: It was in reference to this post from the signup thread, (where my problem with chesskid started):
Pine wrote:Dude, you lied in the pregame. Add your reputation on this site in, and you're clearly a liability to whatever team you're on. So if I'm Town, it's in my best interests to get rid of you before you can be a dick and screw us over, and if I'm scum with you...well, I've already committed to it, so I'd have to follow through, now wouldn't I?
You're confusing "policy" with "I personally dislike you". Your threats are the latter, mine are the former.
Maybe that will clear it up for you. Seriously, I'm not so obvious as that when playing scum. I tend to be more careless as Town."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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You don't speak for me, bro. Go ahead and suggest an interpretation, but don't put words in my mouth. I didn't actually know what you meant the first time you said something about "a lie detector in the game" in our hydra thread, and I still don't. I gave my reasons for what I said, and the absent-minded thought process behind them."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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DemonHybrid wrote:Pine wrote:@DH: It was in reference to this post from the signup thread, (where my problem with chesskid started):
Pine wrote:Dude, you lied in the pregame. Add your reputation on this site in, and you're clearly a liability to whatever team you're on. So if I'm Town, it's in my best interests to get rid of you before you can be a dick and screw us over, and if I'm scum with you...well, I've already committed to it, so I'd have to follow through, now wouldn't I?
You're confusing "policy" with "I personally dislike you". Your threats are the latter, mine are the former.
Maybe that will clear it up for you. Seriously, I'm not so obvious as that when playing scum. I tend to be more careless as Town.
You pretty much stated that you'd do this 100% though, since there's no sense in claiming scum if you are scum. That's what I find weird about it.
If I'd been scum, I probably would have stated a reason along the lines of "I said I would. See the sign-up thread for reasons." I tend not to over-explain as scum as much as I do as Town.
@Regfan: I did a quick reread, and DH is feeling more like overzealous Town to me. Still interested in others' thoughts though, as I'm not very good at reading people who are up in my grill.
PE: The miller claim was actually not considered at all in my vote. It's thoroughly null."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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nintendoaddict1 wrote:Well to answer Reg who asked my thoughts on chess and Pine,
chesskid3: Not much content, one-line posts, yeah.
Pine: ISO #1 he admits his vote has nothing to do with alignment or reads, bad. ISO #4, what are you waiting for a response on? Throughout his ISO, he defends C-Worl a number of times, basing it on his personal meta. Well, what about those of us who have no meta on C-W? Do our opinions and reads on him not matter because we should just trust you?
Wow. This is almost pure badposting. Just about everything you said is out of context or exaggerated. I'll let chess defend himself from this weaksauce attack. (PE: He already did. Adroitly, I might add.)
ISO #1 he admits his vote has nothing to do with alignment or reads, bad.- I stated my reasons. Alignment and reads (which are really the same thing) are not the only thing to base one's vote on. You could make the exact same argument of everyone who placed a random vote at the beginning, and with better effect.
ISO #4, what are you waiting for a response on?- None of your damn business, it's communication between me and the mod.
Throughout his ISO, he defends C-Worl a number of times, basing it on his personal meta.- I defended him on exactly one, solitary point. And not particularly vigorously.
Well, what about those of us who have no meta on C-W? Do our opinions and reads on him not matter because we should just trust you?- Meta is a tool. If you don't have it, do research on the people you're playing with or play in more games. I've played with C-Worl more than anyone else on the site, and more than anyone else here. I'm in a hydra with him. So yeah. Unless you want to go all in and declare that we're both scum and I'm just covering for him over such a minuscule point, I'd say a little trust on this goes a long way.
Nintendo, you've coasted thus far based on the fact that youscream"newbie". It's wearing thin, and gross misrepresentation like this pushes my suspicion that you're actively taking advantage of this appearance.
UNVOTE: chesskid
VOTE: Nintendo"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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evilpacman18 wrote:DemonHybrid wrote:Dude, you're 4 votes to a lynch. Why would you feel like you need to claim?
God I hate this logic. Waiting until it's extremely unlikely that claiming will get you unvoted enough to save yourself is anti-wincon no matter what you're playing. I like mid-wagon claims. Gives the town enough time to react to it properly.
I've never heard this point articulated before, and I find that I like it. L-1 claims are nearly futile most of the time."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Gaoth, C-Worl is my friend. I was defending him against the PL threats before role PMs even went out, threats that were NOT based on past actions. Pay attention.
Also, I stopped pushing the chesskid PL on like page 2, and followed through with the vote on chesskid when he voted forme, not C-Worl.
The very specific speculation on the setup suggests to me that Gaoth is on one of the scumteams, and seeing that he only had one partner, assumed a 12-2-2 setup.
Nintendo's claim is somewhat believable, though I think of Blink 182 as being a late-90s band. Wikipedia disagrees with me, though, listing their mainstream period as 1999-2005, and that song specifically as 2001. Meh.
UNVOTE: Nintendo
VOTE: Gaoth Provide content, dude. Not parroting of stuff we left behind pages ago."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Ehhh...C-Worl and I have fought like cats in a bag in the past, Para. When he was convincing me to /in for this game, we agreed to try to avoid direct confrontation (that's the source of the "distancing," though how you can accuse someone of distancing and buddying in the same post is beyond me.) He hasn't done anything overtly scummy, except that he has seemed to court my defense. The "I'm Town" bit is explicitlymeantto be a Town tell, and because it ismeantto be such, it's useless. I'd actually say it was scummy, but C-Worl is prone to do that sort of thing...try to send a "Hey, I'm Town this game, are you?" message.
@Gaoth: If there's a reasonable case to be made on me, make it. You haven't yet, you've merely summarized and paraphrased the criticisms of others, most of which have been completely dropped."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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The reason I unvoted Nintendo is that Blink 182 isverylikely to make it into this game, especially as I think of them in the same category as my band. Fakeclaiming them blindly, especially at this point of the game, would be very risky. So unless there's a counter-claim, I'm inclined to find it believable.
Nintendo played this way in the other game I was in with him. Scummy, needlessly aggressive, and mostly useless."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Regfan wrote:Instead of RVS or RQS Scumhunter breaks the ice into the game via trolling regardless of allignment. It's a fact, just give him a few days and he'll start posting content.
Catching up with the thread now, explosion of posts overnight.
^I can support this statement as plausible, he did it in the only other game I've played with him, too."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Regfan wrote:His role claim shouldn't be enough to make you think he's "Obvious town" Scumhunter, especially since we had a conversation not too long ago discussing howmafia get safe claims in some games.Looking at this setup, I would say that it's entirely reasonable for them to recieve them in this game, thus a claim without a counter-claim isn't clearance material. With that said I'm leaning slight-town on Nintendo.
Oooh. Good point. I've gotten safe fakeclaims in a couple of games, but I didn't think of that. Outstanding point. Hrm...in considering this possibility, Nintendo's desire to early claim seemswaytoo eager.
Hmm."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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tarsonisocelot wrote:Request Votecount
Sorry everyone, only just found this thread.
Current townreads: Regfan, chesskid, gorilla, diddin
Scum: C-Worl, Pine (though their interactions seem too obviously weird to be scum together)
Troll: Scumhunter
Null:everyone else
TO isn't reading the thread. I mean seriously? No read or opinion at all on Nintendo or Gaoth? I can deal with getting lumped into the scum category, but this list as the only reaction to the thread so far is pretty scummy to me. I've seen TO as Town ([redacted]) and this bears no resemblance.
evilpacman18 wrote:I just always like to be the contra but everyone has town reads on gorilla. I'm not seeing it. Sure he's not being scummy but he's at like the top of every written town list. Why?
I don't have a town read on gorilla."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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diddin wrote:Unvote, Vote: Talapus
Backing down so quickly and not revoting? Bad.
Goodposting. That was alarming to me too.
C-Worl. Stop being an asshat. You're making me wish we hadn't agreed to give the fighting a rest. I swear to Jeebas, you're my kryptonite."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Holy crap you guys worked quickly at the end of the day. I didn't even have time to see that lynch coming.
With the night phase and a couple of days on V/LA before that, I think I need to re-read, with Talapus and Hiraki in mind as VTs."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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DemonHybrid wrote:Preview edit: Well, even if he was vigged, do you disagree that tarson's vote was absolute garbage?
Eh. Yeah, I'll go along with you for now at least. I'd like to hear TO's explanation for that.
VOTE: Tarsonisocelot"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I'll bandclaim, but not song claim. Remember, it's the song that's connected to the role, not the band name. I'm seeing this whole thing as a very clumsy rolefishing attempt from you.
I am Three Doors Down."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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/claimGuilty of being a VT. Main performance song is "Be Like That".
^Town tell. In similar games with named powers, the powers (including scumchat and alignment kill power) often have their own names, or songs in this case.
Super, let's keep this moving."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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DemonHybrid wrote:tarsonis not knowing who the hell her band is with a song that isn't that well known as well as being able to explain herself in regards to Hiraki = very very very town. I was wrong.
I disagree with this statement. Obscure band actually makes it more likely to be a fakeclaim, and pretending not to know who they are is easy.
The Hiraki explanation was mediocre at best.
Also, TO is male."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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DemonHybrid wrote:DemonHybrid wrote:Why diddin and Pine? I agree with the other 3 (and Scumhunter, no matter how dense he is)
SH, diddin isn't the only one who thinks you are dumb town. I do. chesskid does. gorilla does (not that that matters...he's likely scum). Because it doesn't make SENSE that you'd claim as scum and think that you're cool.
I agree too, SH and anyone who claimed anything other than main performance following my blunder in #359 is just facepalm-worthy. So it 359, honestly.
This is why I was initially against massclaiming at all."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Gaoth wrote:. I now realize this is just because he keeps getting sucked into C-Worl's game. D2 and review of D1 brings him to a Null read, maybe Null-Townlean if I'm being generous.Pine- D1, so sure Pine is town
D1 reads:
Town: Nintendo (Blink-182), Hiraki, Demonhybrid (Fall Out Boy?), Talapus, EPM, Parabollocks (My Chemical Romance), Chesskid (Eminem)
Null: Gorilla, Nicodemus, Diddin, C-worl, TO, Scumhunter
Scum: Pine, Regfan
D2 reads:
Town: Chesskid, Parabollocks, Nico, Regfan, DH, EPM
Null-Town:Nintendo,Pine, TO
Null-Scum: Gorilla, C-Worl
Scum: Diddin, Scumhunter
Unvote: Pine
Contradictions and fabricated reads ahoy!
Sure, I'm only noticing the contradiction in regards to myself right at the moment, but it's 3:23 AM. This screams to me that he doesn't have real scumreads, so he filled in a few names that were unlikely to be noticed and made a mistake. Combined with my D1 scumread on him, this may be our first scum lynch right here.
Investigating C-Worl can wait, I'm still vacillating between him being trollish Town and gambiting scum.
UNVOTE: C-Worl
VOTE: Gaoth"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Please don't talk about ongoing games, Nintendo.
The above post looks very superficial, gives a lot more information instead of analysis, and most of its points are very basic/obvious or nonsense. Basing strong reads off of two or three posts out of a couple of dozen sounds like they're being deliberately taken out of context and based solely off of ISOs.
In other words, Nintendo is now leaning-Scum or at least bad Town.
Votes on Gaoth please."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I've checked Gaoth's ISO, and I was mistaken about the slip I thought I had caught in him. This doesn't really change much, but in reading his ISO (with the intent to prove him wrong)...eh, the case just isn't half as strong as I'd thought it was. My suspicions from D1 remain, and the wallpost of reads a couple of pages ago is still weak.
diddin is second-highest on my list of scum. Everyone reading this, stop RIGHT NOW and read diddin's ISO. Read all of it.
I dare anyone to find a single god-damned productive thing diddin has done in this game. I've seen diddin play Town in TWBB, and this IS NOT IT."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Meta supports the case, it doesn't replace it.
Oh yes, and Talapus was such a great lynch. And if this:
diddin wrote:Unvote, Vote: Talapus
Backing down so quickly and not revoting? Bad.
...is your idea of a productive post? You didn't get Talapus lynched, you pointed a single finger and OTHERS ran with the ball. The above quote is the ONLY thing you said against Talapus until the lynch was finalized.
You WERE my number two, after Gaoth. A very simple, small typo.
Scum would absolutely do that, to make a later PR-fakeclaim believable."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I didn't care, EPM. You would have made a case against me if you thought one existed, and I simply didn't make the connection.
So it's the former. You've been a marginal player all game, and haven't contributed much that I found insightful.
Your chainsaw defense is noted."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Conciseness is pro-Town. Lack of productivity is not.
That was the last post I made before the end of the day, but I notice you have no issue with misrepresenting the fact that I was on V/LA as avoiding a Town mislynch.
You made a single good point against Talapus, something I had noticed too. That does not validate the fact that you've been an active lurker and manipulative poster all game. In TWBB, you were active, bombastic, and verbose Town, and over-explained your reads.
In this, you've made only two or three posts that had anything more than a vote or a simple statement without explanation.
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Regfan wrote:Pine wrote:Explain your diddin Town-read.
1) Scum are less likely to forget about the game which he did here.This is a somewhat valid point, but hardly clears him.
2) This post reads as a town-tell, scum are less likely to call a townie that has just been lynched 'obvscum'.BULLSHIT. This post reeks of feigning confidence just before being proven wrong. I've employed this tactic with some success as scum.
3) Annoyance that one of his town-reads is acting retarded here and here reads as geninue.All it reads as is remaining true to his story. This is where you fall prey to confirmation bias.
4) At this point in the game there were so many 'easy wagons' to jump on yet he votes Para here someone that no one has really stated suspicion on, I see no real scum motivation from doing so.Of course there is scum motivation. Jumping onto an easy wagon is actually VERY scummy, and early-game wagons get analyzed all to hell in the mid- to late-game. Avoiding them is actually a smart scum move.
5) As he showed himself here he plays very differently as scum.I have yet to read through these, and therefore cannot directly comment, but he also played very differently as Town in TWBB."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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^My comments are the bolded ones obv obv. You have confirmation bias stemming from the first few pages. diddin hasn't done any scumhunting AT ALL, and the only post that even he can produce in his favor led to a mislynch."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Scumhunter wrote:diddin, could be mafia reviver trying to wifom tbh.
I was thinking the same thing, actually. Why would diddin revive me, someone whose scumhunting skills he has a poor opinion of? Why not Talapus during N1, providing us with an immediate use of his power just in case it was lost, unused, in the first NK? Why not Hiraki, who he does appear to have respect for?
Regardless of these genuine suspicions, I am compelled to consider diddin confirmed Town for now. Using a lynch to investigate an almost-positively-Town role would be folly. If we have cops or other investigative roles, it would not be a total loss to check up on him.
Also, damn you people for AGAIN dragging your feet for days, then posting four pages and a lynch out of nowhere. At least you got it right this time, you bastards. Ironically, I actually predicted my own death to Slaxx via PM, and didn't bother to catch up. So I'll have to catch up before I post my reads.
Two comments: How is Magua cleared? Magua, my read of C-Worl is indeed likely to be much more accurate than yours. I still want to hear your thoughts."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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