Chaos is just what we need. Obvscum. I suspect you get this vote often.
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Glad to hear you want a real discussion. May I point you to donkeyz' posts?Chaosweaver wrote:For a random pick,Vote: Phoebus
With that out of the way, and with the little time we have, my hope is that people will step up and participate in discussions.
And Korts; no, that was actually the first obvscum-vote my nick has earned me.scumchat never die-
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I thought the "why so jumpy" part was rhetorical. Why jumpy? Because we only started and I feel the deadline looming.Phoebus wrote:I asked you why so jumpy?
You thought it well enough to question both the supposed randomness and admitted non randomness of my vote.
You're looking for things to talk about.
When someone actually asks you a direct question...you ignore it?scumchat never die-
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I don't fear a quicklynch, because I don't see bandwagons building up.
So you'd rather off someone with your OMGUS vote...than have someone vote you?
Deadline looming...there are very few people who really fear that and a quicklynch.
I'm fine with you voting me, as long as you give me something to defend myself against.scumchat never die-
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BS. Where's the vote on donkeyz OMGUS?OMGUS
With 72 hour deadlines, this isn't a real big contradiction.we just started started AND deadline is looming
I'm not worried about quicklynch, because I don't see any bandwagons building up. However, deadline is pretty close, so yeah, I don't see where this is a contradiction, either.Now you claim you're not worried about quicklynch but felt deadline looming previously?
Your points against me, yeah. They don't make much sense.
Taken as a whole...those things don't make sense.
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I'm sorry. By "not a real big contradiction" I meant that it wasn't, in fact, a contradiction at all. I get these sarcastic spasms sometimes. My point was that we only started, yet we have only 3 days left. Capisce?
My vote on you is because your whole argument against me was flawed. My vote on donkeyz wasn't OMGUS, since he didn't FoS me, didn't vote me, didn't even mention me at all other than replying to my accusation. My anxiety over the looming deadline is, I think, also explained by the fact that, compared to games where days may last for weeks, here, a day lasts for 3 days. And also, I don't remember actually taking sides in the quicklynch topic, yet you stated it like I did. Please, if you're reaching, at least have some borderline valid points.scumchat never die-
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I feel clammy is, indeed, trying to connect to me.
Phoebus, I'll adress only the points that include my own actions, if that's fine with you. In relation to the Korts-clammy connection, I can only say that there isn't one. Clammy is trying to buddy up to me, perhaps. I can't prove that I'm not connected to clammy, so there. Otherwise, it's my opinion that you shouldn't start pairing people up until you have at least one confirmed scum.
My first post (where I voted Chaosweaver) I ignored clammy because his vote was random and nothing to address.Phoebus wrote:3. korts ignores clammy in his first post ( 8 ) and goes on to say something about Chaos...which has no basis as I see it... I treat it as random on his part.
The only interaction of any kind between players was the one about contradiction. The reason for the switch, I think, is obvious. I fail to see your point on this one.Phoebus, on me voting donkeyz wrote: No reason given for switch.
The only interaction was the one about contradiction.
So...we have korts voting for this apparent contradiction. Correct me if I'm wrong.
From my experience, it is customary to provide a reason of some kind (good/bad, logic/gut, etc.) to votes. Failure to do this will naturally arouse suspicion.Phoebus wrote: korts reacted with:
--> asking a reason for my random vote
random? reason? don't compute together.
Same as above, only this time the reason is presumably serious compared to a random vote.Phoebus wrote: When I mention vote is now random (and now you know why)
--> asks for reason for not random vote.
Looming, as in much closer than to be expected at the beginning of a game. I wish you'd stop barking up this particular tree, this point's a dead end. Also, I didn't say we should lynch someone before everyone's checked in, I tried to start a discussion. Don't misrepresent me.Phoebus wrote: Next, he mentions the day starting and feeling the deadline looming.
I am aware that we have a 72 hour deadline but even the first 24 are not up.
How is it looming? Many people have not even weighed in with their thoughts.
Why the looming?
I don't remember any name calling. I didn't say you're an idiot, a loser, a microphone-abuser, or any such thing. And I won't. Don't put words into my mouth that don't belong there.Phoebus wrote: Then the sarcasm and name calling goes on.
Isn't it? Technically a confirmed vote isn't any better than, or any different from a normal vote.Phoebus wrote:Talking about confirming being a useless formality.
Let me quote myself.Phoebus wrote: Yet, you refuse to rebut my arguments. Call names and generally not engage in discussion with me.
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I think that's called an argument, refuting your points, namely the "OMGUS" on donkeyz, the deadline thing, and the quicklynch topic.My Glorious Self wrote: My vote on you is because your whole argument against me was flawed. My vote on donkeyz wasn't OMGUS, since he didn't FoS me, didn't vote me, didn't even mention me at all other than replying to my accusation. My anxiety over the looming deadline is, I think, also explained by the fact that, compared to games where days may last for weeks, here, a day lasts for 3 days. And also, I don't remember actually taking sides in the quicklynch topic, yet you stated it like I did. Please, if you're reaching, at least have some borderline valid points.
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That, and why did clammy feel the need to unvote when I was at L-5. Did he feel the points against me were justified? If so, why didn't he leave his vote on me?Mr Blonde wrote:
Like said earlier, unvoting korts for "making sure he isn't quick-lynched" makes sense, but why then vote Phoebus? clammy, Would you like to see Phoebus quicklynched?scumchat never die-
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I don't see what you mean by OMGUS, but the case made by Phoebus wasn't "in revenge" as you later clarify. Kinda surprised that you would try to imply that. Anyway, his case against you isn't nulltells, it's theories that can't really be argued with. The case on me wasn't nulltells, either, it was broken logic. NOT the same.clammy wrote:
I woldn't not like to see anyone quick-lynched, but i saw danger in the korts wagon as phoebus was, and still is, being incessant in null-tells. Need i mention this applies directly to his case against me and that it's a royal OMGUS to boot? Kinda surprised none of you picked up on that but perhaps you were leaving me to mention it.
If you didn't feel the points against me were justified, why did you think it possible for a quicklynch of me to happen without scum outing themselves?clammy wrote:
I did not feel the points were justified, your pushing on the random vote issue made me raise my eyebrows, but the push back of all the deadline talk and worry over a quick-lynch, i fully endorse your position here as it actually works.
I see your reasoning, it's just that by voting Phoebus and taking your vote off me, you've come into a direct contradiction with yourself, and while when your vote was on me, I was only at L-5, with your vote placed on Phoebus he's at L-4, so in fact we're one step closer to a premature lynch than we were while you were voting for me.clammy wrote: The fact that Phoebus was still pushing (and is still pushing) on those buttons is the reason my vote went whee it is.
What the hell? That's not OMGUS. Get your facts straight. You yourself explain it in post 84.clammy wrote: "OMG - i knew clammy was scum when he was the first post, and now he's defended the person i had my vote one - obv-scum!"
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The vote was because you agreed with me. I found that strange, that you would give up your opinion (even though it was a joke) so easily.donkeyz wrote: First off to Korts, I found it extremely surprising that you ended up voting for me right after pointing out the contradiction to me. You found the flaw in my argument and then when I agreed with you, you simply decided to vote mescumchat never die-
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I think this argument is irrelevant now, since I only wanted to use it in order to get the discussion from RVS (random vote stage) to pseudo-serious discussion.donkeyz12212 wrote:Korts, you didn't state that you were voting me based on me giving up easily at the beginning. When people questioned you about it, I thought you just were wishy washy and stated it was a random vote for me?
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Not pointed at you, I feel.W!nt3r wrote:
I'm keeping up rather fine, thank you.Shy Guy wrote: This applies to everyone: saying you are too busy with other games or other prior commitments is a rather weak excuse for not participating in this game. The town should be suspicious of lurkers in this game, just as the town should in any game. We signed up less than a week ago for a game that was advertised as having 3 in real life day deadlines. If you can't keep up, you shouldn't have signed up, and thankfully we have 4 replacements just waiting so if you cannot keep up please step aside for someone who can.scumchat never die-
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Mild WIFOM, but I see what you're saying.Shy Guy wrote:
So, if donkey is scum, and knew he was about to hammer, he'd have sent in a night kill so he could make the hammer and make a night kill. Since he did not do so, I am pretty sure he is town. (this assumes that the scum didn't send in a kill that got blocked somehow; I think that is a very fair assumption). So, I am saying that donkeyz is very likely NOT scum.
I agree with you that had clammy come up scum, I'd deserve at least mild suspicion, but other than the implied connection between us, I don't remember you having any valid points against me.Phoebus wrote:
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To let go, or not to let go, that is the question.Grimmy wrote:Granted, I will have a better clue as to peoples guilt/innocence as the days go on, which is why I did not vote outright, but simply pointed a finger.
I will withhold my vote until clearer signs of guilt/innocence reveal themselves.
E. Grimmy B.
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Grimmy wrote:start voting everyone..we haveXhours to go!!
Blonde: I had a reason, but its too early inthe AM for me toremember it.
I most liekly wont be online again until after the deadline, so
vote: phoebus
Everyone else's reasons seem to support this, so Ill go with it for now.
Ill look into the Blonde issue tomorrow.
Maybe something will come to me overnight.
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The reply to Mr Blonde bugs me. If you had a reason, why would it being early morning prevent you from remembering? This, however, is a very weak argument by itself, of course. I'm looking forward to you clarifying the Blonde issue.
Jumping on Phoebus, however, by saying "everyone's reasons support this, so I'll go with it" is what makes me cast my vote. You yourself don't mention these reasons, nor the validity of them, only that everyone has reasons (good or bad) to vote Phoebus. Opportunistic much?scumchat never die-
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I'm pretty much content with either a Phoebus or a grimmy lynch.
Please, do. Are these the reasons:Phoebus wrote:
Please don't tell me to explain all of my reasons against korts again.
1. contradiction: day just started vs. deadline looming
2. voting donkeyz with flimsy reason
Please, clarify. I don't feel any of these listed are damning at all.
This I agree with completely.Phoebus wrote: Jenter feels like someone who's riding the wave of anti Phoebus sentiment. The sentiment is not particularly questionable. Riding along with it, without pulling your weight on it, is.
Shy Guy wrote: Grimmy's reason for voting Phoebus was very much that of a follower...
However, in this game, don't we need followers? We have three day deadlines. Every single player trying to give original ideas would lead to no consensus. I don't see the sudden rush on Grimmy for his vote.
Nonono. Two things. 1) we still don't need followers. People should make up their own minds regardless. 2) my vote on grimmy isn't because he's a follower. It's because he didn't show any sign of agreeing with the reasons against Phoebus, he says only that there are reasons (he doesn't even comment on whether they're good or bad reasons) that other players brought up. I hope you're seeing where I'm coming from.scumchat never die-
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Come on, don't be so fatalistic. But please, clarify the points against me, gut feeling is something I can't argue against.
If the consequence is my death, my wishes have been expressed.
If the consequence is either of those two being hanged, I will reflect upon whatever information comes up...in new light.
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Whoa. Hey there. That's an interesting turnout.
The thing is, I'd rather not lynch Phoebus in this gamestate. He's been actively contributing and making sense most of the time Day 2. I mean, other than the reasons against me that he brought from Day 1, his observations are reasonable and pro-town.
Grimmy, on the other hand, has freshly replaced. He may have been a bit too reliant on others' arguments, but maybe he just skimmed the thread. The whole point of mine against him was based on, well, grammar, and who knows, maybe he's just bad at grammar.
I know it's too late to start a new wagon, but what I really don't like is Mr. Blonde trying to direct my vote. In this gamestate, with no guarantee of a new wagon happening before deadline, he's not going to earn my vote with this, however, I think we've got a lynch candidate for Day 3.
However, since I don't want the lynch to be random, I really have no choice but to do this.
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Shy Guy's uncertainty may be a ploy for brownie points, as in he knew beforehand that Phoebus would be town, and he wanted to be able to claim that he was against his lynch, shame on us.
Random thought: I think I've been fairly intent on hunting scum, so a possible reason for someone else other than me being the NK could be that I was on the wrong track. Therefore I'm dropping the case on Grimmy for now.
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Reading back, I guess I'm a bit egocentric. But still, the world
Random thought: I think I've been fairly intent on hunting scum, so a possible reason for someone else other than me being the NK could be that I was on the wrong track. Therefore I'm dropping the case on Grimmy for now.doesrevolve around me, after all.scumchat never die-
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