Micro 1091 - Prism v. 1L Year [Game Over]
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The entire argument here revolves around Cakez being townIn post 1182, Meuh wrote: I'm thinking Pooky's just town, and Cakez' play around the claims actually looks fairly good here. Page 42/43 look good for them both. So maybe it's just Dunn/GL? I think you (talking to RH9) can be scum but I don't see it right now
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMIn post 1166, Dunnstral wrote:
I did consider doing that but valued true claiming for figuring out the setup and if other claimed roles are real.In post 1165, GuiltyLion wrote: Dunn why did you claim specifically the 1-shot aspect of your role
did you consider withholding the number of usesThat and I didn't want to cause problems if fake claiming led to people questioning my role, like if there were another gated protective role in the setup.
I think there's a fair chance that's the thought process Dunn genuinely had here, but as scum
Claiming full doctor or a doctor with more than a shot would be bad if there was an actual town protective. At first I thought this discouraged GL/Dunn because GL hadn't claimed yet and Dunn has no reason to fear a scum!GL claim, but Cakez also hadn't claimed, but DID allude to being a PR
In post 1024, SirCakez wrote: I'm even more suspicious as Luke has claimed he found yet another PR, which, two millers, another visiting PR, Lukeand my roleseems absurd. We should probably mass claim, someone in the PR claims is lying.
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMIn post 1027, Dunnstral wrote: I'm alright with mass claiming. Luke should probably claim what they saw first to verify their role.
Luke claims to have seen a visit -> Cakez claims non-VT, not the specific role -> Dunn insists Lukewarm should claim before everyone else -> Lukewarm does claim -> Dunn claims a low-power town role that even he himself noticed wouldn't contradict ANOTHER town protective claim (??? Why is this a thought he would even have as town, if I'm a 1-shot doc in a setup with a 2-shot tracker I'm not thinking there's another protective somewhere)In post 1032, SirCakez wrote: Like I did the math
I'm not a VT, to clarify what I've been alluding to. So if all the PR claims + Luke's track PR are legit that would make the setup
Ydrasse VT
Bell VT
Pooky Miller
Meuh Miller
Luke 2shot Tracker
Me non-VT
Whoever Luke tracked visiting someone
Scum
Scum
That doesn't look like a legit setup to me, thus why I think in the PR claims there are scum, either whoever Luke tracked or in the millers or potentially Luke himself. Like was said we can check him now with his claimed target.
He's just scum and his play around the claims lines up entirely with what a scum player who visited last night would want to do here
VOTE: Dunnstral
Oh wow, Cakez town!In post 1184, Meuh wrote: Town does not have the thought of "millers are mislimmable on day 1 here"
GL is scumplaying against 2 town millers he didn't feel like he could mislim
I thinkthis perspective kinda unpairs Cakez/GLsince wasn't Cakez one of the people who was sticking to not limming a miller day 1? His perspective (as town) would affect GL's view of a miller mislim (as scum)
Oh wow!!!! I see Cakez scum as very unlikely!!In post 1185, Meuh wrote: It's Dunn/Cakez (probably Dunn) with GL/RH9 (probably GL)
Unless Pooky is faking a town perspective very well or we're actually in a weird scum!Luke world and Dunn/Cakez are both town
I feel like Dunn/Pooky is feasible? But not the most likely world. Pooky/Cakez doesn't feel like a scum pair
Pooky with a VT claim I feel is generally questionable in terms of mechs? and neither a Pooky/GL or Pooky/RH9 team looks right to me, but I can't say I've thought of it thoroughly
(This emphasizes that Dunn scum means Cakez town)In post 1233, Meuh wrote:In post 1215, GuiltyLion wrote:
I don't understand this postIn post 1184, Meuh wrote: Town does not have the thought of "millers are mislimmable on day 1 here"
GL is scum playing against 2 town millers he didn't feel like he could mislim
I think this perspective kinda unpairs Cakez/GL since wasn't Cakez one of the people who was sticking to not limming a miller day 1? His perspective (as town) would affect GL's view of a miller mislim (as scum)
Dunn asked what is wrong with a micro with 3 PRs + 2 millers, so I explained why there can't be 3 PRs + 2 millers
"scum perspective" is required to explain why a theoretical set up is unbalanced for scum
My point was more specifically regarding millers not being mislimmable on day 1.In post 1217, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 1207, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: I kind of think we just yeet GuiltyLion here I believe in all my PRs
there literally has to be scum in the PRs
especially if you are town
@Luke am I crazy? why does it feel like I'm the only person saying both Cakez and Dunn cannot be town
I guess Meuh also said the same thing but called me scum for saying it
The way that clashed with my own (and others') view of the game and the way that I think scum would be more likely to believe it was my issue
The rest of your post was fine
But yeah this setup does not work if all the claims are real, there's scum in Dunn/Cakez here,though probably not both. (2-shot tracker + 2 millers is feasible I guess? But not super likely in my eyes)
Wow, defending Cakez a bunch!!In post 1237, Meuh wrote: One thing that sticks out in Cakez' favour here is that he was already implying being a PR that didn't visit last night before Dunn had claimed
As scum, he had no need to commit to claiming PR this early and could've waited to choose when his turn came to claim, but he was already directing himself towards that before even knowing who Luke had visited and this person's role. If scum Cakez softs PR and then Dunn claims something like full doc, he's forced to retract his soft or to claim a weak PR, and neither looks good.
This contrasts with Dunn who was forced into a position where he had to claim PR and then did so, self-admittedly being scared of another PR claiming and looking bad because of it. Cakez has backed down on this so it's less significant, but pushing the idea of scum existing in the PRs while deciding to soft PR himself as scum is pretty risky
imo Dunn handled the PR situation in the safest, most textbook way, while Cakez did it in a weird, risky way that doesn't seem like how scum would want to approach it
Wow, I don't want Cakez to be limmed!!!!In post 1259, Meuh wrote: Dunn > GL > Pooky > RH9 > Cakez > Lukewarm
My lim preference at the moment
I think Cakez looks unpaired with RH9!!!In post 1372, Meuh wrote:Spoiler: Dunn/RH9 slot
I wanna delve into this more at some point but reading through these interactions, I think this is a very plausible team here tbh
Catboi does scumread and vote Dunn early on but then throws out an "experimental read" on Dunn being town that he sticks to, and he has no problem shifting to Ydra instead
RH9 starts with a soft townread on Dunn, then shifts to questioning him more when the thread leans that way (notably with Pooky saying he was the most likely PR to be lying and me pushing Dunn), but is also willing to consider Cakez actually being scum instead when GL brings it up. Issue is that a lot of RH9's reads were influenced by the whims of the thread, so I don't really think his shifts here look super bad in terms of being paired with Dunn (though it definitely doesn't unpair them)
RH9 slot/Cakez doesn't really make sense to me either, Cakez' interactions with both Catboi and RH9 don't look paired at all to me
and I'm doubtful on GL/RH9 or Pooky/RH9 for mech reasons (although the latter is a bit more feasible)
Maybe that's just it
I back down on the unpaired thing but emphasize Cakez being town!!!!In post 1375, Meuh wrote:Spoiler:
My main takeaway from looking at these interactions is Cakez being town tbh, more than any takeaway about being paired with RH9
This is possibly paired I guess? I think RH9's treatment of Ydra/Cakez looks kind of unpaired with Cakez though. The interactions there don't fit it and RH9's positioning makes more sense as scum not caring about who gets limmed than scum paired with Cakez, I'd say. There's also little bits here and there that look unpaired (RH9 being unsure if it was Cakez or someone else who asked him something, Catboi replying to Cakez with a bunch of game links) that add up in my eyes.
Voice once again that I don't want to lim Cakez!!!In post 1504, Meuh wrote:
I’d stick to AlisaeIn post 1497, Lukewarm wrote: Open question to the Player List:
If you were choosing between only Catboi/RH/Ali Slot and Cakez, which would you choose?
In post 1542, Meuh wrote: It’s just Dunn Pooky stop infighting
Make it clear that I don't see a scum Cakez world!!In post 1544, Meuh wrote: Maybe Dunn/GL but it’s Dunn either way
Make it clear once more that I think Dunn is scum (and as I've said before, this makes Cakez town!)In post 1637, Meuh wrote:
Still DunnIn post 1633, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
who do you want to yeet meuhIn post 1629, Meuh wrote:
This is so lame, at least evaluate things. This whole “we only win in a theoretical scenario where someone specific is scum, so I’ll turn off my brain and hope that’s it” thing that’s being pushed today isn’t productive in the slightesIn post 1622, SirCakez wrote: Kinda think we should just dunk Meuh today, all four of us have her on all of our theoretical scum teams and so if she's town this game is just over already. Don't really want to spin wheels when that's pretty much the only place I see us ending up.
This is a staucher defence of Cakez than anything you've done this game, cmon. All you've done is say "well I think all the PRs are town, yay!" which is technically pro-Cakez but also just what you'd want to push for your agenda
My stances around this were clear, and I've probably been the person who's been the least willing to lim Cakez since like mid-day 2. I didn't spend a bunch of time calling Cakez town at the start of this day because it was already pretty blatant that it was what I thought.-
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well i know you dont care because both of them are voting you so its irrelevant to you which one you yeet hereShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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i was asking the people who dont have GL as confirmed mafia to them lolShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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damn meuh is working hard on pulling my heartstrings I think im meltingShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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shes got that desperate townie energy down patShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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i'm tempted to hammer dunn but I wanna see what cakes thinksShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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I mean I've suggested it hereIn post 1792, Meuh wrote: Do you think it can be GL/Dunn? Do you even think it can ever be Pooky? If not, unless you think it’s me+Dunn, why don’t you want GL as the vote here?
I think I'd slightly prefer doing Dunn just cause he's conf scum (whereas I could be wrong about GL)
But tbh I don't see a winning path if it isn't Dunn/GL and I don't have that much wiggle room here, so if you guys are eyeing a GL lim I'll hop on-
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There's always the chance that we flip a mafia pr today, making it clear that I am a town doctorIn post 1831, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: i'm tempted to hammer dunn but I wanna see what cakes thinks-
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Do it to honour CatboiIn post 1831, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: i'm tempted to hammer dunn but I wanna see what cakes thinks-
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using my dead cat to persuade me you're wickedIn post 1835, Meuh wrote:
Do it to honour CatboiIn post 1831, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: i'm tempted to hammer dunn but I wanna see what cakes thinksShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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ok why dont the two of you vote for guiltylion now if you're both positive its himShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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cuz if this is scum theatre between the two of you then it'll tell guiltylion that you two are mafia together and maybe he can get his shit together instead of randomly theorizing that Pooky is some kind of mafia savant playing 11 d time travel chessShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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I can't believe you would appeal to a dead player like that...In post 1836, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
wickedIn post 1835, Meuh wrote:
Do it to honour CatboiIn post 1831, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: i'm tempted to hammer dunn but I wanna see what cakes thinksIn post 1263, Lukewarm wrote:
Actually, was too busy going to see an Off-Broadway production of WickedIn post 1256, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: lukewarm too busy playing video games to save the village smh
Now Luke is going return from dead chat and protect youIn post 1392, Lukewarm wrote:
It was SO GOOD!In post 1376, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: How was Wicked Lukewarm
I had family come in from out of town to go see it, and it was a all around great time.
Would recommend.-
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If I vote GL and lose to Pooky/Dunn I'll cry but also that would be really funny-
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meuh u cant spend all night ateing to me and then start paranoiaing that i'm mafiaShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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the only team this loses to is dunnstral/cakes and if dunnstral/cakes is mafia together then we're really playing 2 miller 1 tracker and lol we loseShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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also if im mafia meuh i just tell cakes to vote you and hammer you, you'd alrdy be deadShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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I mean it's obviously not Dunn/Cakez
GL is 100% the vote from your POV
I'm just paranoid
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i wouldnt spend saturday night whining about you not trying and going afk on meShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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VOTE: GuiltyLion-
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ok confirming i wont hammer u can unvote nowShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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