Large Normal 246: Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Elements

[Gamma Emerald]

I claim miller

Same

jfc

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

There a reason you singled me out?

[Gamma Emerald]

Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?

I’ve seen that suggested but never exactly understood the logic of it

[Gamma Emerald]

VT

I understand why people claim miller early on, but why throw out a VT claim on page 1? I'm coming to this site mostly from a background where claiming was against the rules, so I would love to hear how claiming this helps the town.

It's definitely weird, I was confused seeing it too
My guess is the claim is purely out of self-preservation
Idk why else Hu Tao will claim VT in the opening

I think it’s a sort of knee-jerk response to the miller claims, me and Hu Tao were both in a game centered around millers recently

[Gamma Emerald]

It does help when trying to do VCA off the mod ISO alone. Otherwise if you want to be thorough sometimes you need to make your own intermediary ones to see what happened in between VCs if they were especially far apart

[Gamma Emerald]

It's been awhile, remind me why voting millers is the best option?

Slight chance mafia fakeclaims miller
They're guilty if investigated
If telling the truth, miller
If lying, mafia

I’m less inclined to vote a miller specifically because there’s more than one miller claim, it suggests that an investigative exists that can clear millers imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

I sorta get it but just to be clear, and to put this to bed. If people not voting during RVS is NOT a scummy thing to you, why did you want to try to get Keyleth to vote someone?

People not voting in RVS is nai
People's votes can be ai
I like wagons on day 1

This makes sense

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

There a reason you singled me out?

Same reason I gave when the first 3 people questioned me.

Okay

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not sure. Dunn's claim felt like a joke with it being the first post of the game. Kyouko's feels more real but I'm not familiar enough with her to tell if it's coming from scum

I feel Duun's claim is genuine, millers often claim miller in their opening posts. Duun's miller claim feels straight up, unlikely that mafia plays this directly. Kyouko feels real/potentially opportunistic, shielding herself behind the initial miller claim if she is mafia

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

This feels remarkably convoluted

[Gamma Emerald]

It seems more believable than bringing up neighbors and traitors to me.

That’s kinda fair but Elements is quirky like that

[Gamma Emerald]

There was a normal game with a mafia cop and a traitor recently, there was no miller iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

Why not the same amount of puzzlement at both?

I like this
You can be town too, for now

The post you are referring to is in response to me, so thinking we are the same slot would mean your reason for thinking Dave is town does not make sense

I think that us probably where the confusion came from
Your names being right next to each other and so relating to each other in my head. Then when I made the post where I called you town they got mixed up together

That seems odd
You didn’t question why someone would quote themself?

[Gamma Emerald]

I never thought dave replied to himself

[Gamma Emerald]

Ima have to do one of those step my step explaining what I think happened in my head aren't I

That might be helpful
As why I am pressing this, this feels like a fresh scenario so I want to get an idea of the background for it

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyone want to start a wagon?

VOTE: davesaz
Voting the miller

If dave is a neighbour then I could see the miller claim coming from a traitor
But for now I think dave's town

To be clear I've edited the names, Kawaii did not vote dave.

Elements, is this name-edited post representative
of the state of your mind when you made 39, then you realized on rereading that dave wasnt the miller claim and you decided to vote Dunnstral in 40?

Ya, I think so
It's annoying to wrap your head around because my post makes no sense when you think of dunn and dave as different people

I think this reconciles better, there’s less that doesn’t click in my mind when it’s put this way

[Gamma Emerald]

Not on you necessarily, but interestingly enough it's piqued my scumdar on Gamma. I guess what it does for you is confirms you're still in your NAI range fmpov.

Need more time to think on this though, I'm rushing to phone post. Bbl.

How exactly?

[Gamma Emerald]

Not on you necessarily, but interestingly enough it's piqued my scumdar on Gamma. I guess what it does for you is confirms you're still in your NAI range fmpov.

Need more time to think on this though, I'm rushing to phone post. Bbl.

How exactly?

I feel like you like to be "around" but not "driving" when you're scum, not that you often "drive" as town either, but when Dunnstral and you started pressing on Elements about 39 and 40 it felt like that - that is to say, being "around" without "driving". It's a vibe at this point.

Pretty sure you’ve got it backwards to a degree. I think I like being in control more as scum. I am more likely play a support role as town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma you've still got your rvs vote on me, why?

haven’t felt a need to move it
VOTE: KawaiiKame
They pinged me somewhat with how they unvoted kyouko, not strongly though

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma you've still got your rvs vote on me, why?

haven’t felt a need to move it
VOTE: KawaiiKame
They pinged me somewhat with how they unvoted kyouko, not strongly though

What pinged you with how I unvoted kyouko?

the unvote coming in a separate post is the main thing

[Gamma Emerald]

Is 4:13 the most likely breakdown with 17 players?

These questions get old real fast

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm too late to be the first one to bring up that questioning Elements over apparently getting Dunn and me confused seems pretty nit picky. To me jumping on a "slip" is scum more often than town. Not enough to make a read from but worth remembering.

I think it depends on the slip. When person starts to pushing for a person that got previous night NKed, i think that deserves to be pushed. But mistaking one player for another can happen easily to anyone. Especially if they have similiar names/pictures. Happened to me, was quite embarassing. So i can relate to Elements and honestly dont really feel like pushing him for it.

What scum agenda involves pushing the last night’s NK?

[Gamma Emerald]

Is 4:13 the most likely breakdown with 17 players?

These questions get old real fast

Well aren't you a peach.

I know who you are, so the act doesn't fool me.

[Gamma Emerald]

It's been awhile, remind me why voting millers is the best option?

Slight chance mafia fakeclaims miller
They're guilty if investigated
If telling the truth, miller
If lying, mafia

I’m less inclined to vote a miller specifically because there’s more than one miller claim, it suggests that an investigative exists that can clear millers imo.

Hey Gamma. I disagree with this but I don’t feel like getting into it.

:/

[Gamma Emerald]

Holy shit you're here
VOTE: Guillotina
For that one time in that one game

Who are you?

Chrono Trigger

lol I remember that game

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

There a reason you singled me out?

Dunn's question was fair? Did you consider you've done pro-town things by the time of this post?

I didn’t see a material difference in how me and Black played

[Gamma Emerald]

When I saw Dunn had already claimed Miller I was briefly inclined not to claim even though before opening the daystart PM I was planning to claim.

I decided against that though, I dont see how hiding it does any good. If it's a traitor game with a Mafia Cop it helps them find the traitor but also makes town wary of a traitor early.

If it's not a traitor game, town cops dont waste investigations and I'll be judged on my day play and not on my claim. I'm more than fine with that outcome.

What is a traitor? Like a mafia that kills mafia?

Mafia that doesn't know mafia and Mafia don't know

Traitors know the main team in normals

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Kyouko

VOTE: Kyouko

Why did you 2 vote Kyouko?

[Gamma Emerald]

bleagh

[Gamma Emerald]

My preliminary reads:

Town

Black
Kawaii

Mixed Feelings

Kyouko

Scum

Naerys
Hu
Gamma
Celebloki

What makes you think I’m scum individually? You said I might be scum with Kyouko for a post bug she’s in “mixed feelings”

[Gamma Emerald]

Hrm, maybe I'm not seeing it for Kyouko but that could just be the way I play. I'll sit here and let people do their thing though the threadstate seems healthy so I'm not gonna get in yalls way.

Have you played mafia elsewhere?

[Gamma Emerald]

I have thoughts but I rarely take time to order my thoughts on everyone
I will say Guillo seems pretty towny rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Is 4:13 the most likely breakdown with 17 players?

These questions get old real fast

Well aren't you a peach.

I know who you are, so the act doesn't fool me.

Saying it's an act presumes you think I'm acting, which insinuates you think I'm Scum acting in a way to look whatever.

At least have your actions be consistent with your words and VOTE ME, then.

That literally was not my meaning. I was saying you’re faking newb posting.

[Gamma Emerald]

My preliminary reads:

Town

Black
Kawaii

Mixed Feelings

Kyouko

Scum

Naerys
Hu
Gamma
Celebloki

What makes you think I’m scum individually? You said I might be scum with Kyouko for a post bug she’s in “mixed feelings”

There were a few posts where you've shown too much care about how you were perceived when town you does not give a shit.

That’s a valid perspective but I have changed recently thanks to MANY bad votes/wagons on me. My base inclination is to question people who go after me nowadays.

[Gamma Emerald]

That literally was not my meaning. I was saying you’re faking newb posting.

Well now that's just insulting.

how??

[Gamma Emerald]

Guillo I think you missed a beat in me and RN’s talk. He was insulted at me saying he was faking being new. Idk why that’s insulting exactly but he never said he was acting as part of a gambit in this game.

[Gamma Emerald]

He left the site under unfortunate circumstances iirc so I think he wishes to maintain distance from those past issues but for me, the constant questions about what ratios of scum in a game make sense just make it harder to not think of that since I always process that I believe his main knew such things which ofc brings me back to thing about his main

[Gamma Emerald]

Outline some oh his best noobish posts please.

It’s really just the questions about scumteam size
They’re freaking standardized for Simple normal games atp, if these questions were genuine he should have gotten the memo by now. I know this game is complex but that changes nothing about how the simple guidelines established a baseline that’s set in stone.

[Gamma Emerald]

He left the site under unfortunate circumstances iirc so I think he wishes to maintain distance from those past issues but for me, the constant questions about what ratios of scum in a game make sense just make it harder to not think of that since I always process that I believe his main knew such things which ofc brings me back to thing about his main

Is their main public knowledge? If so? Who is it?

I don’t know if he confirmed it but I believe it might have been reliable info that determined it.
I don’t wish to say the main for specifically the reason that I believe he wishes to not be associated with it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Outline some oh his best noobish posts please.

It’s really just the questions about scumteam size
They’re freaking standardized for Simple normal games atp, if these questions were genuine he should have gotten the memo by now. I know this game is complex but that changes nothing about how the simple guidelines established a baseline that’s set in stone.

Just that?

I'm personally playing the game as this was Mountainous cause I dont know what set up I signed up for tbh, I just wanted to play a long game. So I'm telling you it is not impossible to have game experience and be totally disconnected about the setup.

…

[Gamma Emerald]

I am being vague in the interest of not fully outing who you are
If I’m wrong about that whole idea pls lmk

[Gamma Emerald]

That literally was not my meaning. I was saying you’re faking newb posting.

Well now that's just insulting.

how??

Why do you think I would "fake newb post," Gamma?

Why can't it be that I'm just asking because I want to make sure we're not doing something stupid like assuming there's only 3?

Whenever I'm in Large games I typically ask about potential Scumteam size just to get that topic out of the way.

I don't "fake newb post" I'm basically a dinosaur here.

Okay, so I misconstrued your intent. I apologize for that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you Wake?

[Gamma Emerald]

I am being vague in the interest of not fully outing who you are
If I’m wrong about that whole idea pls lmk

I've already shared my main many times, so I would prefer you be direct and crystal clear so I can eliminate any misconceptions immediately.

I just tried being direct??????

[Gamma Emerald]

Why pay mind to a VT claim during RvS with 10 years on?

Because most of my mafia career was on sites where roleclaiming was strictly forbidden and would get you modkilled instantly. So this is my second game with claiming allowed and it's... weird. Especially a VT claim so early. If you are a VT, you've helped the mafia target the power roles. If you are lying, you will destroy your credibility later on. I just don't get it.

Why was roleclaiming forebidden, wtf?????

[Gamma Emerald]

D'oh. Broken tag.

I'm struggling to follow the convo about someone's "main" but if it has to do with a previous account or something, is it relevant to the game itself? If yes, please explain how, and if not, I'll ignore it.

It wasn’t relevant.

[Gamma Emerald]

D'oh. Broken tag.

I'm struggling to follow the convo about someone's "main" but if it has to do with a previous account or something, is it relevant to the game itself? If yes, please explain how, and if not, I'll ignore it.

Meta, getting knowledge about someone's main unlocks meta knowledge.

Getting meta data was not my intent ftr
I wanted to sort out the #of scum question, the account issue was tangentially related but will not affect my opinions in this game (mainly since I had like zero games with Wake prior and I put emphasis on my firsthand meta)

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I think based on Guillo’s posting so far the logical conclusion is he is just liberal with his vote. I saw little to indicate he had a change of mind on Celeb but he changed votes still.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why was roleclaiming forebidden, wtf?????

It was a perfect flip of this style of mafia. All of the roles would be publicly known before the game started, but you could never hint at which you were. It was entirely through game play with zero night action results ever talked about.

Ah. I have played themed games where flavor claiming was forbidden since the game was not airtight to flavor-based solving.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hrm, maybe I'm not seeing it for Kyouko but that could just be the way I play. I'll sit here and let people do their thing though the threadstate seems healthy so I'm not gonna get in yalls way.

Have you played mafia elsewhere?

Yeah! I played video mafia before. I'm not new to mafia but I tend to have everyone as town to begin with and then take away or give points. It's a lot easier for me because I feel like my ability to catch wolves is subpar.

Do you have any thoughts on people? I see a lot of your posting is mostly resolving around yourself. Not that that's a bad thing, but I'm curious!

The reason I asked this btw was because your play felt pretty passive so I wanted to know if you had a reason for playing the way you do, and this satisfied that interest.

[Gamma Emerald]

Questioning reads you don’t agree with is universal

[Gamma Emerald]

Questioning reads you don’t agree with is universal

Yeah but like...let the person answer. If you don't have a read on them then that might help

Also valid

[Gamma Emerald]

Ah gotcha. Thought maybe you were an alt or something

[Gamma Emerald]

How is that a slip? And what alignment would RN have been if it was in your mind?

[Gamma Emerald]

How is that a slip? And what alignment would RN have been if it was in your mind?

My mind went "oh shit, maybe they are partners and he knew the other's slot was away cause they've could be talking in scum chat about what are their available times".

Not what I exactly had in mind but I get it, I think

[Gamma Emerald]

Who but scum even thinks "I know this guy isnt going to show so I'll vote him in RVS"

If you're doing this as town you can just not vote. This is scum trying to fit in during RVS and now that we're out of it he felt comfortable enough to admit it.

He slipped imo

VOTE: Celebloki
I don’t fully believe in this but might as well see Loki’s response

[Gamma Emerald]

We could get an actual wagon going if join us though

I mean, if you, me and Gamma all vote Guillo we can also have an actual wagon. I don't have a read on Cele. I have a conflicted read on Guillo. Sounds like the better option.

VOTE: Guillo

Tf makes you think I’d want a Guillo wagon? I’ve asked some questions of him but I do that with townreads a lot.

[Gamma Emerald]

Kinda, Large 245 is probably the only one I can technically say we did.

...were you Scum in that one?

I was not.

RN was though, which led to a substantial amount of mental lag before I reached my final conclusion on his # of scum question

[Gamma Emerald]

Tf makes you think I’d want a Guillo wagon? I’ve asked some questions of him but I do that with townreads a lot.

I don't think you want a Guillo wagon particularly, I just think you'd make a nice addition to the townblock I haven't started forming yet but which would theoretically include me, you, Elements and another person or two.

I'll take this as a "no thank you", then.

Though that probably means you are town anyway.

>:/
This feels manipulative

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm at page 11

Gamma Emerald - lean scum

Spoiler:

I claim miller

Same

jfc

Strange reaction

Gamma you've still got your rvs vote on me, why?

haven’t felt a need to move it
VOTE: KawaiiKame
They pinged me somewhat with how they unvoted kyouko, not strongly though

I feel like forgetting your vote is +scum and this reads a bit hedge-y

Random Nurse
Celebloki
Naerys-

For now my first impressions are that dave and both millers could be town.
Still too far from finding a scum, but its a start.

Was it just for the question he asked or was there more to it?

davesaz
Hu Tao - town

Spoiler: I townread all of these quotes

VT

I understand why people claim miller early on, but why throw out a VT claim on page 1? I'm coming to this site mostly from a background where claiming was against the rules, so I would love to hear how claiming this helps the town.

So scum will not target me and I can last till end game. I believe in myself to find scum as long as I'm alive long enough. Now I just need to be towny enough to not be voted out. I've eliminated half of the work.

I think Hu Tao was just joking with the VT claim

Nope. I'm VT

Timmer feels town so far

The "I'm terrible at D1" feels more like a townie trying to explain why he doesn't have many reads as opposed to Mafia worried about their optics

They seem curious but scum can also be curious so I'm not giving them that easy of a town read so far.

Elements is a champion baffler for sure.

I'm not inclined to vote for the millers. I think I agree with Gamma's take.

Not sure why but this post gives me scum pings. I wish I could tell you why

I belive Dunn and ssbm's claim. Unless the small chance they are scum together or scum informed of miller's in this game. Either way, I wouldn't want them today at the very least. If there are actual millers, there is likely a way to confirm that somehow regardless.

Broccoli Quest 2
Guillotina
Cat Scratch Fever
Keyleth
Dunnstral - I was inclined to believe the miller claim out of the gate but kind of hate his posting (sorry). I dunno
KawaiiKame - town
ssbm_Kyouko - town
TimmerRC - early posts spoilered below kinda pinged scum but then 111 was good

Spoiler:

VT

I understand why people claim miller early on, but why throw out a VT claim on page 1? I'm coming to this site mostly from a background where claiming was against the rules, so I would love to hear how claiming this helps the town.

It's been awhile, remind me why voting millers is the best option?

Elements - town for having zero filter and just livetweeting every thought she has into the void
Andresvmb
Black

Your read on me sucks ass
viewtopic.php?t=91760
Read that and try telling me my reaction to two miller claims happening doesn’t make sense!
As for my vote, I didn’t forget, I just hadn’t been strongly pinged by anything by that time

[Gamma Emerald]

No, they do it too, but there are also things scum dont do in RvS. Read my walls.

This doesn’t really click with your sig

[Gamma Emerald]

He left the site under unfortunate circumstances iirc so I think he wishes to maintain distance from those past issues but for me, the constant questions about what ratios of scum in a game make sense just make it harder to not think of that since I always process that I believe his main knew such things which ofc brings me back to thing about his main

Random Nurse asked one question about the ratio of town to mafia. Framing it as constant questions seems disingenuous to me.

It’s not just this game that made me say that

[Gamma Emerald]

That is a 210 pages game, mind taking us to the exact page that makes this relevant? Surely you dont expect us to read a full game to confirm your claim right?

Read the flips in the OP

[Gamma Emerald]

I have thoughts but I rarely take time to order my thoughts on everyone
I will say Guillo seems pretty towny rn

What are your thoughts on everyone?

I just said I don’t really like to do things like this, because it’s draining sometimes and I don’t feel like catering to people why say I “have no stances” when I do have them, they just are scattered in my posts. I’m not going to over-exert myself because others can’t bother to do sone legwork of their own.

[Gamma Emerald]

No, they do it too, but there are also things scum dont do in RvS. Read my walls.

This doesn’t really click with your sig

Noted
My Sig is old and outdated.

[Gamma Emerald]

Shit, my reply got embedded in the quote

[Gamma Emerald]

No, they do it too, but there are also things scum dont do in RvS. Read my walls.

This doesn’t really click with your sig

My Sig is old and outdated.

Noted

Fixed

[Gamma Emerald]

Why not re-vote Celeb?

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll find a place where the setup is posted and link that

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?p=13977342#p13977342
Full setup of the game I linked earlier

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

@guillo

could you link a game where you’ve these preflips before?

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like my Guillo TR was spicy for a while? But as for other spicy takes, I have a concern about how BQ2 is playing. It feels like the “townblock” they proposed is bring weaponized by them.

[Gamma Emerald]

Position	Players
Town-read	-
Town-lean	-
Null-town	-
Null	Gamma Emerald, Celebloki, Naerys, davesaz, Hu Tao, Broccoli Quest 2, Guillotina, Cat Scratch Fever, Keyleth, Dunnstral, KawaiiKame, ssbm_Kyouko, TimmerRC, Elements, Andresvmb, Black
Null-scum	-
Scum-lean	-
Scum-read	-

ID	Username	Pronouns	Status	Claim	Flip
01	Gamma Emerald	she/it	Alive	—	—
02	Random Nurse	he/him	Alive	—	—
03	Celebloki	he/him	Alive	—	—
04	Naerys	She	Alive	—	—
05	davesaz	?	Alive	—	—
06	Hu Tao	they/she	Alive	—	—
07	Broccoli Quest 2	they	Alive	—	—
08	Guillotina	?	Alive	—	—
09	Cat Scratch Fever	she/her	Alive	—	—
10	Keyleth	she/her	Alive	—	—
11	Dunnstral	he/him	Alive	—	—
12	KawaiiKame	?	Alive	—	—
13	ssbm_Kyouko/b]	she/her	Alive	—	—
14	TimmerRC	he/him	Alive	—	—
15	Elements	they/she/it	Alive	—	—
16	Andresvmb	he/him	Alive	—	—
17	Black	she/her	Alive	—	—

Nice I got 13

P sure it’s playerlist order

[Gamma Emerald]

@guillo

could you link a game where you’ve these preflips before?

[Gamma Emerald]

@guillo

could you link a game where you’ve these preflips before?

I saw it the first time, patience is a virtue you must have as I am not your secretary, I'm gonna do it because I want to.

I thought I saw you reply to something after that, so I thought you missed it

[Gamma Emerald]

You took my lack of interest in voting a particular player as a refusal of participation in your townblock. That feels like a form of bullying where if players don’t act in the way you want, you will eject them from your clique.
VOTE: Broccoli Quest 2
On writing that out I realized that feels pretty scum indicative because I am pretty sure that’s mafia (as in the irl crime organization) behavior? Not trying to imply anything about you personally, just saying I think a tactic like that would work for scum play.

[Gamma Emerald]

@guillo

could you link a game where you’ve these preflips before?

I can give you links yes, let me dig them up.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37462

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/38039

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost7156735

Couldn’t find it in the second link (also DAMN I feel you on some of the shit that went down in that game)
My main point of interest was how much focus there was on yourself in other game, it looks like not as much as here, but I can see extenuating circumstances causing that to not be weird.

[Gamma Emerald]

I just stated matter of factly that I guess you don't want to do it, called you town for it, and moved on. HOLY SHIT.

I don’t remember it that way? There was almost certainly more to it

[Gamma Emerald]

Tf makes you think I’d want a Guillo wagon? I’ve asked some questions of him but I do that with townreads a lot.

I don't think you want a Guillo wagon particularly, I just think you'd make a nice addition to the townblock I haven't started forming yet but which would theoretically include me, you, Elements and another person or two.

I'll take this as a "no thank you", then.

Though that probably means you are town anyway.

My point of issue is the line “I’ll take that as a “no thank you” then”, which I interpreted as “I’ll that that as a “no thank you [I don’t want to be in the townblock]” then”

[Gamma Emerald]

Wdym?

[Gamma Emerald]

Wdym?

You see manipulation, I see entitlement, which is often town indicative. I'm guilty of it myself, you know this from games in the past, so how come you have not considered it could be an entitled townie strongarming you?

Are you saying you think BQ believes they’re entitled to me voting how they want because they townread me? That feels like some r/niceguys gameplay, no one is beholden to another player because of a townread. I don’t think BQ would legitimately believe that would work.

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s a way of calling a behavior stereotypical, essentially saying it’s so nainstream that a subreddit exists about it. As for the specific term, “nice guys” are heterosexual males that believe that basic courtesy and pleasantries are warranting of sexual favors. It’s relevant since townreading someone is what I would consider a basic move, one that would not compel most players to act in a way the person giving the townread wants.

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: the preflip summary

Summary

Still pretending I'm an spectator where Guillotina is not me.

Not mafia/mafia

Hu/Guillo
Random Nurse/Guillo
Gamma/Guillo
Timmer/Guillo
Celebloki/Guillo
Black/Guillo
Kawaii/Guillo
Kyo/Guillo
Naerys/Guillo
Kyo/Kawaii
Dunn/Elements
Dave/Elements
Black/Elements
Gamma/Elements
Gamma/Random Nurse
Hu Tao/Timmer

What does this mean?

In a world where my pre-flip associations are 100% accurate (they've never been 100% accurate before, but really close they have).

Guillo

is unaligned with 9 players
Element is unaligned with with 4 Players
Gamma is unaligned 2 Players

This means that if Guillo was scum in this game, He spewed half the game town on Day 1 alone, and it would have been really easy to pinpoint who his teammates were, from the remaining players. Too bad Guillo is town, though.

This also means that if any of those 9 are scum, Guillo is spewed town from them
Counterpoint to that would be, Guillo did some premium distancing, but I'm hopeful that if any of them flip scum, Guillo would have helped town to prove his worth and loyalty besides this spew.

Elements

flipping scum would spew Dunn, Dave, Black and Gamma town.

Gamma

flipping scum would hard spew Elements and Random Nurse town.

Timmer

flipping scum would clear

Hu

and Vice versa.

Conclusion

Guillo being unaligned with 9 players out of 16 makes him thread spew town or the best infoyeet of 2023 if the majority of players here suspect him that much.

Elements would clear a whooping total of 4 players town, so if these two were scum together, the game would be pretty much on auto mode.

I can confirm that Guillo is not scum, so we are not living in a perfect world where town auto this shit.

Hopefully this injects my thoughts and process in the thread and I have helped you determine whether I deserve the sussuspicion I've gotten so far or not, as well as some insights about the interactions between some of the players.
If you have questions or concerns about this post or my previous posts, let me know.
Hopefully when I come back I'll have more info to analyze, but for now, good night.

VOTE: Celebloki

What I'm reading here is that you're potentially the highest Information flip

Good moxie

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Celeb
I’ll let the BQ thing rest

[Gamma Emerald]

No bloops

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko
I disapprove of anti-bloops too. No intentional pagetops.

[Gamma Emerald]

I want to just put Elements as town as bad

???

[Gamma Emerald]

I would like to propose a plan:

Every person list 2-4 people they are sure are town with higher than 90% certainty.

Then we make a pool of 4-5 people who never get voted today.

Then we just wagon a random person who's not in the pool, and repeat the same tomorrow. If the reads are accurate, that gives 33% chance to hit scum each day, or about 60% chance to to succeed on either.

My 2 are Gamma and Nurse btw.

Looks interesting

[Gamma Emerald]

I would like to propose a plan:

Every person list 2-4 people they are sure are town with higher than 90% certainty.

Then we make a pool of 4-5 people who never get voted today.

Then we just wagon a random person who's not in the pool, and repeat the same tomorrow. If the reads are accurate, that gives 33% chance to hit scum each day, or about 60% chance to to succeed on either.

My 2 are Gamma and Nurse btw.

Nice plan, scum

Do you think the plan is scummy or are there other reasons you SR BQ?

[Gamma Emerald]

681 is weird because it's written out like an rvs vote but it seems clear you voted there because they suspected you.

I interpret 681 as again attempting the behavior via negative stimuli, which makes me question why dave expects it to work this time

[Gamma Emerald]

Attempting to correct behavior*
Sometimes my brain is faster than my mouth/hand so I skip words

[Gamma Emerald]

Guillo Bam and Aid

What's that?

Very glad you asked.

The Guillo BAM and AID technique is the process in which everyone has to earn my townread every day as opposed to secretly giving you a score high enough to towncore you for the rest of the game based on your performance on a specific day.


Pros: Keeps the game dynamic
Removes the possibility of scum buddying me once to ride on my favor forever.
It catches deepwolves.
Makes me unpredictable and mafia cant plan around it.

Cons: Very difficult to build a towncore this way.
Builds a level of distrust amongst the actual town as it could be seen as scum keeping the PoE wide instead of narrowing it down.

I like this. I’m gonna use it myself in the future.
Btw what’s the meaning behind the name?

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you think the plan is scummy or are there other reasons you SR BQ?

I just typically scumread plans like this. It always reads as an attempt to get a bunch of information out on the table in order to make the optimal NK's and night targets. I think it could come from town though so it's just meh

You said the plan was "interesting" ...what does that mean? Do you think it's scummy or nah?

I don’t think it’s scummy in isolation; with additional context it could be. But in this instance I think it’s a town move.

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you think the plan is scummy or are there other reasons you SR BQ?

I just typically scumread plans like this. It always reads as an attempt to get a bunch of information out on the table in order to make the optimal NK's and night targets. I think it could come from town though so it's just meh

You said the plan was "interesting" ...what does that mean? Do you think it's scummy or nah?

I don’t think it’s scummy in isolation; with additional context it could be. But in this instance I think it’s a town move.

Really? I've seen that plan executed by wolves before, at least if you put the plan into action given you're asking for support on a wagon and who are the top towns. I think it's a net positive for wolves, while for town it depends on the first hit. So in isolation you can see how the post is sort of wolfy.

However, with the added context with how Broccoli is playing I'm more inclined to believe it's in good faith. Maybe I wouldn't feel this way if I wasn't nodding along with their previous posts but yeah.

I’ve done similar as both alignments, so I can see either doing it. Broccoli’s reasoning matches my typical reasoning when I do these sorts of things as town, and developments earlier in the game also make it make sense more for town to do.

[Gamma Emerald]

I joined 1 day after my parent’s anniversary

[Gamma Emerald]

So. I know you didn't like that when I posted it, but are you aware that in hindsight, It turned out that my theory was correct?

I wrote that between two replacements, one had received their initial role pm and then manually replaced out, rather than both replacements being due to not picking up any pms. One of those slots happened to be mafia, and there is a record of them posting in their pt in between the two pms.

My point is you're framing me as someone who proposes theories that

don't make sense

. However, when I linked you to a

theory that was correct

, you say that it is an example of what you are talking about. You did have a seemingly strong personal dislike of my post at the time, I'm perhaps sensing a personal bias here. I don't suppose you are saying that I open up every town game with a theory?

I would dislike that specific approach (doing any kind of reads based on whether people flake upon seeing role pm) coming from anyone.

There is more nuance to the meta than a single example can convey. The technique I'm trying to use goes roughly like: player does things that I don't like; I scumread them; they're usually town when this happens and scum when it doesn't; I start looking for an absence of things I don't like. I have no idea whether this is going to work or not. It only applies to people I'm always getting spectacularly wrong.

I have kinda learned this for pisskop but haven’t had a game with him since the trio that gave me the basis for it so it hasn’t had proper testing imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Question to everyone, is it me or there seems to be resistance to a Naerys vote even though they have contributed a lot less than other slots like Elements or myself who got more votes on, in spite our higher activity. Why is that? What's the story?

I feel like Naerys is actually a pretty popular suspect?

[Gamma Emerald]

Question to everyone, is it me or there seems to be resistance to a Naerys vote even though they have contributed a lot less than other slots like Elements or myself who got more votes on, in spite our higher activity. Why is that? What's the story?

Something something activity isn't AI

I'm asking why is there no help to pressure the slot into giving us more content? Why am I not getting support for that?

Do you think that would help? I don't based on what Naerys has posted thus far

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Naerys
I guess I can give this a shot, a part of my unwillingness was wanting to maintain pressure on Celeb but I think that’s run its course

[Gamma Emerald]

All naerys said is she's never seen me push on someone day 1. So just saying it's not accurate

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Hu Tao

I'm down to wagon this

VOTE: Hu Tao
Works for me. I think post 875 is scum trying to use one invalid point to dismantle a whole push.

[Gamma Emerald]

What context am I missing here broccoli dragon?

Got this vibe from this exchange

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Celebloki

We gave them time to breath and has done little with the time we gave them.

Fair point, also Celeb said he wanted to post about something different than Nurse and then disappeared, but still I think Hu Tao is scummier.

I dont want Hu tao, I don't believe they are scum.

Elaborate?

I believe they are being an entitled brat which i see from town more often than not.
They're tunneling Naerys because they were inaccurate about their meta, which is also such a bad play, that I fail to see how scum would possibly think it is a good push. Scum are more aware of those kinds of pushes and just dont do them.

I feel like Hu Tao is a player that sorts emotionally as town, and I’m not really seeing that currently.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm referencing this whole exchange. dave brought up 245 and Hu Tao used it to justify that she does push people as town D1. I was just saying I thought it was funny she'd used a game where she was pocketed and sheeping scum to push a mis-elim was a good example of why she's not scum here. Sure it may indicate she's not scum, but it certainly indicates she pushes bad wagons.

Oh. O H.

I just realized I read your post in the tone of a tryhard mafiascum player, when it was written in the tone I used to have when I was a teenager making bad jokes (no offense meant, because I think making bad jokes is an art).

Yeah okay nevermind about that whole thing.

Pedit: Gamma what does that mean?

I think the “tell us” feels similar to Black’s post
It’s just a shitpost though, it’s nothing AI

[Gamma Emerald]

I believe they are being an entitled brat which i see from town more often than not.
They're tunneling Naerys because they were inaccurate about their meta, which is also such a bad play, that I fail to see how scum would possibly think it is a good push. Scum are more aware of those kinds of pushes and just dont do them.

I think Hu Tao is specifically an entitled brat as scum. Here is a scum game of hers where she bullies me for not having her as my top townread:
link 1 - context
link 2 - entitlement

Yeag I had felt a similarity there, glad I’m not alone

[Gamma Emerald]

Looking at the activity overview, you don't have many more posts than me. Pot calling the kettle black I guess.

How long have you played mafia?

Do not like this retort

[Gamma Emerald]

Can someone explain the voting mechanics this game? And anything else weird about the game.

There are no special voting mechanics

[Gamma Emerald]

Hu’s reaction “could be” false?

[Gamma Emerald]

Obviously I meant the thinking they were hammered part. Dude.

yeah and that’s why I find your word choice an issue. I don’t see how you are undecided on the legitimacy of the reaction, so it feels like manufactured leeway.

[Gamma Emerald]

Obviously I meant the thinking they were hammered part. Dude.

yeah and that’s why I find your word choice an issue. I don’t see how you are undecided on the legitimacy of the reaction, so it feels like manufactured leeway.

You don't believe it could have been a real reaction, to the point that anyone using a simple term to indicate that none of us know if it was or not is scummy to you?

That's not manufactured leeway that's me saying I've seen a lot of weird shit in mafia and I don't jump to assumptions very quickly because of it.

Let me ask you this: what do you think are the possible worlds where Hu Tao faked her reaction?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Black + Gamma

Part of my SR on Hu Tao is based on the game that just finished.

That said, I should really sleep now.

I was going to mention that soon if no one else did.

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote Count 1.16

Hu Tao

(E-4): Broccoli Quest 2, ssbm_Kyouko, Elements, Celebloki, Gamma Emerald,

Naerys

(E-7): Hu Tao,

Celebloki

(E-7): Guillotina

KawaiiKame

(E-8): Andresvmb

Andresvmb

(E-8): Naerys,

Dunnstral

(E-8): davesaz

Broccoli Quest 2

(E-9):

davesaz

(E-9):

ssbm_Kyouko

(E-9):

Guillotina

(E-9):

Keyleth

(E-9):

Elements

(E-9):

Random Nurse

(E-9):

Black

(E-9):

Gamma Emerald

(E-9):

gob

(E-9):

TimmerRC

(E-9):

Not Voting

: KawaiiKame, Random Nurse, Black, TimmerRC,

With 17 alive it takes 9 to eject a player from the Game.

Deadline is (expired on 2023-12-07 23:00:00).

Mod Notes: Elements is V/LA until Wednesday, December 6th.

@mod: there are multiple errors in this VC

[Gamma Emerald]

No but I will soon. I'll try to get it by tonight but if not then tomorrow.

I'm not gonna read it all but i'll read the beginning and look at votes and stuff.

I just got a question though, if you have not caught up, why are you voting Kyo for then?

Because I don't find Hu Tao scummy, and among the people voting Hu Tao Kyo is the one I have voted the least in past games.

That is the reason lol. I feel like im always voting Celebloki and Gamma.

This is actually commendable I think

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s this like, flippant attitude? That I have only really seen from scum!HT

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s this like, flippant attitude? That I have only really seen from scum!HT

How many town games have you played with Hu and could you link some of them?

Games where I was town or Hu was town?

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?t=91775
viewtopic.php?t=91800
Aside from a game where I can’t recall HT’s actual contributions at all, these are the towngames of hers I’ve been in

[Gamma Emerald]

@Black + Gamma

Part of my SR on Hu Tao is based on the game that just finished.

That said, I should really sleep now.

I was going to mention that soon if no one else did.

Have we considered that the similarities are a result of both games running at the same time so when Hu posts she's in a similar mindset between them? So not really ai?

[Gamma Emerald]

If you want to know why people scumread her then you can check who's voting for her and look through their ISO's. I looked through yours and saw a lot of subtle defending of her slot but no real read other than she feels like she did in a previous game you played, which is pretty weak

I'm not saying it like I haven't read people's posts, I have read people's posts and that's why I'm so confused on why people are wolfreading them because I do not see a lot of reasoning to begin wit

h. That's the problem. Not even something like gut pings. It just seems like people are following and that's fine if it is but can we like, say that's what it is!

I feel like I've pretty actively said I'm townreading the slot more than others due to my point system and while it may seem like a weak reason I just feel like they're town and the way people have played around the slot doesn't really make me change that so I'm sitting here asking for people to help me see it ya know?

This is like the worst thing you could have said around me, seems that you just told on yourself
VOTE: Kyouko
I think people are right about Kyouko and Key being scum together

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?t=91775
viewtopic.php?t=91800
Aside from a game where I can’t recall HT’s actual contributions at all, these are the towngames of hers I’ve been in

After looking these over it feels like Hu Tao sometimes gets a "flippant attitude" when being incorrectly scumread. I'm seeing it more in Mini Normal 2314 than the other game. I tend to act similarly so I can relate to this

I think we just let this slot live for now

mmmm

[Gamma Emerald]

That being "this is like the worst thing..." in bold

It’s a tell I rarely get to use so there was a bit of extra hype

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm torn between trusting kyouko and voting Gamma and trusting Gamma and voting Keyleth

Someone help

The thing is I only think Key is scum if Kyouko is scum because the thing I latched onto is something I consider a partner tell
VOTE: TimmerRC
How about this instead?

[Gamma Emerald]

Im the mafia guys

Did someone just post the UR Classic on mafiascum?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm torn between trusting kyouko and voting Gamma and trusting Gamma and voting Keyleth

Someone help

The thing is I only think Key is scum if Kyouko is scum because the thing I latched onto is something I consider a partner tell
VOTE: TimmerRC
How about this instead?

I just find Key's defense of kyouko a bit odd. Like I said she didn't defend her townreads at all in her last game. I'm getting informed vibes there

What is your read on Timmer?

I find Timmer pretty shady, notably some of his posting regarding the claim doesn’t sit well with me

[Gamma Emerald]

Asking me what my read there is after I vote there on my own feels pretty useless tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

That was regarding Black’s post, not you.

[Gamma Emerald]

Asking me what my read there is after I vote there on my own feels pretty useless tbh

Huh? I just wanted to know why you think he's scum...

That’s not the specific thing you wrote though

[Gamma Emerald]

I have autism so being vague will cause me headaches. Please be more exact with your wording.

[Gamma Emerald]

so far I'm 2 for 2 at identifying the righteousness as town when it is town, yet to find a scumgame with righteousness

please post the links of all game’s you’re searching within

[Gamma Emerald]

so far I'm 2 for 2 at identifying the righteousness as town when it is town, yet to find a scumgame with righteousness

please post the links of all game’s you’re searching within

Notes so far:
micro 1094 - town - no righteousness
2318 - town - when she gets in it with Roden over some modifier or something and requotes her signature to Roden a couple of times, and other posts around it, it's clear to me Gamma is town
mini 2315 - town righteousness in smiting that one person who allegedly answered questions quoting buddies from their PT, not scrolling back up to see who it was
defcon - I think this is town but am a little sus (harder to say because I think Gamma and Marci are actually friends and if anything righteousness here is NAI) - when seeing reaction to scum!Marci I think Gamma is town

You do realize I have barely rolled scum recently, right? So if you’re just looking at games this past year, you’re gonna have a horrendously cherry-picked sample

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm torn between trusting kyouko and voting Gamma and trusting Gamma and voting Keyleth

Someone help

The thing is I only think Key is scum if Kyouko is scum because the thing I latched onto is something I consider a partner tell
VOTE: TimmerRC
How about this instead?

I just find Key's defense of kyouko a bit odd. Like I said she didn't defend her townreads at all in her last game. I'm getting informed vibes there

What is your read on Timmer?

I find Timmer pretty shady, notably some of his posting regarding the claim doesn’t sit well with me

Some of his posting? Show me.

Maybe later

[Gamma Emerald]

mini 2315 - town righteousness in smiting that one person who allegedly answered questions quoting buddies from their PT, not scrolling back up to see who it was

Please go into this one more

[Gamma Emerald]

Gob feels town

Mmmmm
You feel way off-base recently

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma
I think I've heard Keyleth's name thrown around, willing to go there as well

I’ll go on Key towards the deadline but don’t feel like that will flip scum

[Gamma Emerald]

so far I'm 2 for 2 at identifying the righteousness as town when it is town, yet to find a scumgame with righteousness

please post the links of all game’s you’re searching within

Notes so far:
micro 1094 - town - no righteousness
2318 - town - when she gets in it with Roden over some modifier or something and requotes her signature to Roden a couple of times, and other posts around it, it's clear to me Gamma is town
mini 2315 - town righteousness in smiting that one person who allegedly answered questions quoting buddies from their PT, not scrolling back up to see who it was
defcon - I think this is town but am a little sus (harder to say because I think Gamma and Marci are actually friends and if anything righteousness here is NAI) - when seeing reaction to scum!Marci I think Gamma is town

You do realize I have barely rolled scum recently, right? So if you’re just looking at games this past year, you’re gonna have a horrendously cherry-picked sample

I find it hard to believe you would find a chronologically ordered metadive to be "cherry-picked" - that is an unusual choice of words because it implies I selected the games myself, especially after this:

I have autism so being vague will cause me headaches. Please be more exact with your wording.

Holding this post for after you catch-up to Mafia have a Cop to see if you walk-back the allegation that I'm cherry-picking.
Looks like you didn't

I misremembered having mentioned it in a game with you previously
I didn’t mean it that you intentionally cherry-picked as part of an agenda, I just meant a sample of only more recent games was a bad selection and I’m not the best with words

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I can provide at least one game where I showed realistic righteousness as scum but I want to see how you interpret it yourself
Try looking at games that ran in the latter half of 2021

[Gamma Emerald]

-Snip-

I misremembered having mentioned it in a game with you previously
I didn’t mean it that you intentionally cherry-picked as part of an agenda, I just meant a sample of only more recent games was a bad selection and I’m not the best with words

Like you thought you

had

mentioned it to me before that you haven't rolled scum in like a year?

I should have time to continue looking tomorrow before deadline, I would like to find the game without a link so I don't know what I'm looking for. If the wagon swaps from Keyleth to you before deadline I'll just need a link/game name anyways though. Going to look at 1315 on my phone now

I didn’t post a link, I just gave a timeframe
If that’s too much help then I don’t know how the fuck I can please you here

[Gamma Emerald]

This is not a great situation to be in when I am having a borderline mental breakdown from work already

[Gamma Emerald]

This is not a great situation to be in when I am having a borderline mental breakdown from work already

This makes me even more confident that Gamma/Key is a pair. No one is even voting for Gamma iirc yet she thinks this is a bad situation?

(Outside of game talk I do hope you feel better gamma. Maybe take a step away from the game if you need to <3)

this is actually a towntell of mine
Normally town!me gets incredibly flustered under medium pressure. Light pressure I can play past and heavy pressure I can analyze, but medium pressure just ratchets up my anxiety. As scum, I can cope better since I at least act as a distraction of sorts.

[Gamma Emerald]

In the event that I am flipped, Kawaii, Kyouko, Gamma. Are my top townreads. A bit lower than that being dave, elements, and guillotina.

Townie is my claim by the way.

Do you tend to shift into scumhunting later?

I ask this because I think from what I can discern this Key wagon seems built on playstyle, which might still hit scum but I feel super-skeptical

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: keyleth
I don’t see a reason to postpone this atp, if there was a shot you were going to be more of an active player later I would feel fine going to bat for you. But I don’t get that impression from your response.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gob feels town

Mmmmm
You feel way off-base recently

Do you disagree with the read?

What is the benefit of scum!me saying this when I could just let the gob wagon happen? Unless you think I'm scum with gob?

In a sense, yes
I don’t see any really towny posts by Gob rn, but I don’t think he’s been super-scummy. A part of this is he is checked out until D2

[Gamma Emerald]

Like you thought you had
mentioned it to me before that you haven't rolled scum in like a year?

How is this relevant?

Kyouko has been looking at my meta, that’s how it is relevant. If you’re going to step in on my behalf, please ask better questions.

[Gamma Emerald]

But I don't remember you doing AtE

I’m not AtEing, just stating the facts. Fuck off.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ve seen this sort of reaction before. I hated it then and I hate it now.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m mainly asking for a temporary reprieve
Let me play without the sword of workplace stress hanging over my head, and see what happens then. That’s not really AtE imo, that’s trying to work past a bad impression.

[Gamma Emerald]

But I don't remember you doing AtE

I’m not AtEing, just stating the facts. Fuck off.

LOL

That was actually pretty funny

yeurgh

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

why the fuck did I post that
I think I made my situation

worse

by posting that

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: game link (last resort)

viewtopic.php?t=87782

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you going to continue or was this all under a false pretense?

[Gamma Emerald]

You haven’t reached the game I had in mind

[Gamma Emerald]

I think those also aren’t exactly the same but it’s something you’ll have to take my word on
I talked about Key telling on herself because I thought she dropped a tell I rarely see in plain view, and I think my exhaustion led to me not giving my all on that proclamation
My feeling like a bastard was iirc because you were towning me and I didn’t want to go after you because of that

[Gamma Emerald]

You haven’t reached the game I had in mind

How about you point it out. Make it easy for us.

@black im top poster and awfully quiet and none of my posts are fluff.
It is safe to safe it is on you how you perceive me, not on me =)

Already linked it

[Gamma Emerald]

And ftr the reason I voted you over key was I didn’t think that one point was enough for a vote since I still didn’t get the scumreads on key

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a valid reason to suspect Gamma and your suspicion on Gamma is OMGUS and you are casing around it. I don't like it.
So… anything else Kyouko?

[Gamma Emerald]

It depends
I’ve caught scum for doing a half-baked meta-dive before, so if kyouko comes to a wild conclusion that I don’t understand it won’t look good imo

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a valid reason to suspect Gamma and your suspicion on Gamma is OMGUS and you are casing around it. I don't like it.
So… anything else Kyouko?

Wha?

Afaict you’re scumreading me for something I didn’t even do

Gamma give me your town top 3 and your scum top 3 and why please.

Town: you, BQ, Dunn
Scum: Black, Timmer, Celeb

[Gamma Emerald]

ffs
Cut the fucking busywork

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll explain the SRs since those have been hashed out less I think
Black: feels like she’s trying to skate by this day phase, there’s some ping-ponging I see in her opinions.
Timmer: feels like he’s trying to control his positioning in a scummy way.
Celeb: I don’t trust how it seems near-everyone suspects him but that doesn’t seem to be amounting to anything

[Gamma Emerald]

Like can say that Gamma could have slipped as scum for trying to AtE us with OGI stress while getting pressured which i often see scum do so.
That is based on this game, i want stuff like that.

Can you pls just fucking stop? Maybe what I posted counts as AtE but that wasn’t my intent, so you continuing to harp on about it is extremely annoying

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll explain the SRs since those have been hashed out less I think
Black: feels like she’s trying to skate by this day phase, there’s some ping-ponging I see in her opinions.
Timmer: feels like he’s trying to control his positioning in a scummy way.
Celeb: I don’t trust how it seems near-everyone suspects him but that doesn’t seem to be amounting to anything

Honestly im unsatisfied, this is so vague.

Of fucking course
Don’t waste my fucking time with questions you clearly aren’t interested in the answers to

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?p=13926942#p13926942

@Guillo

You shouldn’t be using that word

[Gamma Emerald]

Is there any appetite for a Guillotina wagon?

I feel like most of my problems with Guillo are playstyle-related, so no.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Celebloki
This is the player I most want to flip out of the current viable votes

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll explain the SRs since those have been hashed out less I think
Black: feels like she’s trying to skate by this day phase, there’s some ping-ponging I see in her opinions.
Timmer: feels like he’s trying to control his positioning in a scummy way.
Celeb: I don’t trust how it seems near-everyone suspects him but that doesn’t seem to be amounting to anything

Honestly im unsatisfied, this is so vague.

Of fucking course
Don’t waste my fucking time with questions you clearly aren’t interested in the answers to

You disagree they are vague? Lets trade places, you scum read me, you ask me for a readlist, i give you those answers, what would your reaction be? A satisfying one or an unsatisfying one?

I think I’d be at least placated
Keep in mind I already mentioned not liking being forced to explain things when I’m not in the mood, so I was putting minimal effort in there. So they’re vague since I wasn’t trying to add a lot of detail. But imo they cover the main ideas I have in mind.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Celebloki
This is the player I most want to flip out of the current viable votes

quote unrelated, just pinging your notifications
Should I just open the spoiler now that I've seen that (see my last post) in CTC or continue?

I think you’ve actually been getting close, Isekai was like a month before the game I linked

[Gamma Emerald]

I have to leave soon

Pls vote me or Celeb, imo those are the only wagons that are likely to happen today

[Gamma Emerald]

Fucking hell
I’m a gunsmith, stop this shit

VOTE: Hu Tao
A part of why I didn’t care for the claim was because of my role so now that it’s out there, I feel like we should go back there

[Gamma Emerald]

Fucking hell
I’m a gunsmith, stop this shit

VOTE: Hu Tao
A part of why I didn’t care for the claim was because of my role so now that it’s out there, I feel like we should go back there

Why Hu Tao over Timmer, me, or Cele?

I think Hu Tao is scum doc that tried to “trueclaim” (in quotes because the modifiers may or may not be real) and scum doc is a fake inno to my role
As for why not Celeb, bg is not a fake inno and also feels like it could be town. You and Timmer I don’t see that a vote will do anything.

[Gamma Emerald]

That wasn’t the part I meant
Around the time Infinity got eliminated I got super-motivated, that’s the main thing I wanted to point out
Maybe I missed the point of your dive but I was trying to show that I am not always flat as scum

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Kawaii
This works for me, I still have a bit of a bad taste from earlier on

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah that feels like someone told them to get in here, I think we have our lim, especially with no PR claim.

By any chance are you from a community where mafia usually have a discord chat?

I've had chatrooms for scum teams everywhere I've ever played, most of my history predates Discord though. Why?

Dunn thinks you summoned him

Spicy

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm here and willing, but waiting. Don't want to deny any Urist who thinks they've staked a claim.

What is a Urist?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gob, replacing

Cat Scratch Fever

, replacing

MerelBlackbird

Seems suspicious to me that this slot has replaced so many times.

I agree with this, I have caught this sort of scum slot before