VOTE: KawaiiKameKawaiiKame wrote:Meta this, meta that, have you ever meta girl before?
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Why did I read this as an evil laugh XDIn post 20, Keyleth wrote: Good day/evening! I hope everyone is doing well.-
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I don't really think I deserve a TR eitherIn post 29, Dunnstral wrote:
Gamma has done what so far?In post 26, Elements wrote: Gamma and Black probably town-
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Sure, I'll sheep youIn post 36, Elements wrote: Anyone want to start a wagon?
*checks votes*
VOTE: Elements-
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Elements you have 13 posts on this page. Can you chill-
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Why is your plan to spam the thread with a bunch of nothing posts?In post 50, Elements wrote:
I did pre-emptively apologiseIn post 49, Black wrote: Elements you have 13 posts on this page. Can you chill-
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At the time I had counted 9 relevant posts and 10 spammy ones. That's a lot of posts for two pages. Elements said she's bored with no impulse control so I'm just gonna let her do her thangIn post 63, KawaiiKame wrote:
I feel you're being too dismissive of Elemental's posts, she's asked,In post 52, Black wrote:
Why is your plan to spam the thread with a bunch of nothing posts?In post 50, Elements wrote:
I did pre-emptively apologiseIn post 49, Black wrote: Elements you have 13 posts on this page. Can you chill
Defended you as townIn post 46, Elements wrote: Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?
Apologized for her playstyle
Constantly vote switching is confusing, I want to know why she switched to Nono, any explanation/elabaration is good
Even if it's "spam" she's observing, questioning, defending-
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I think Hu Tao was just joking with the VT claim-
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Oh weird. Surely he's not going to keep track of every unvote right?In post 69, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I was confused by the VC as well but it looks like Jingle put my first vote onto nono, striked it out to indicate I moved my vote, and put my current vote on Guillotina. I have a vote
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It could be a real claim but it's on page 1 and surrounded by what I'm assuming are a few other joke claims, so that's why I'm reading it as fakeIn post 77, TimmerRC wrote:
Oh... it's early here, lol. Just got my kiddo off to school, coffee hasnt done its thing yet. My joke-dar may not be up yet.In post 70, Black wrote: I think Hu Tao was just joking with the VT claim
From what I gathered, Miller claims are pretty controversial. Scum could claim this early in order to deter any potential investigative roles from targeting them, so people generally aren't a big fan of these claimsIn post 84, TimmerRC wrote: It's been awhile, remind me why voting millers is the best option?-
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I'm not sure. Dunn's claim felt like a joke with it being the first post of the game. Kyouko's feels more real but I'm not familiar enough with her to tell if it's coming from scumIn post 97, KawaiiKame wrote:
Do you feel Duun/Kyouko will fakeclaim miller as mafia?In post 93, Black wrote: From what I gathered, Miller claims are pretty controversial. Scum could claim this early in order to deter any potential investigative roles from targeting them, so people generally aren't a big fan of these claims-
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I like kyouko so I'd rather not vote her out over the miller claim-
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Timmer feels town so far
The "I'm terrible at D1" feels more like a townie trying to explain why he doesn't have many reads as opposed to Mafia worried about their optics-
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@mod: I'll be v/la until Monday-
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I don't think I've ever seen Random Nurse actually play a game. He's in a perpetual state of joining games and then flaking-
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Why do you have mixed feelings about kyouko?In post 310, Guillotina wrote: My preliminary reads:
Town
Black
Kawaii
Mixed Feelings
Kyouko
Scum
Naerys
Hu
Gamma
Celebloki
I think she could be scum and I wanted a wagon
Not really liking Guillotina's unvote-
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VOTE: Guillotina
I think there's partner equity in Guillotina/kyouko
Guillotina said she would support a kyouko wagon but jumped off less than 30 minutes later, right after Elements and I joined. I don't think the Celebloki vote was a very good reason to suddenly end their support and having Celebloki at the bottom of their preliminary reads in 310 feels like a performative justification for voting there rather than an actual read
In both 293 and 377 they made sure to include that they weren't voting for the same reason as the person they were sheeping which feels like scum that might be trying to flaunt that their read is unique and different
I think the questions from Guillotina are like...ok, but nothing scum couldn't come up with in an attempt to seem townie, and I think the interpretation in 374 is really odd and it just feels like unnecessary shade towards Timmer-
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There's still a lot I need to read but I got this feeling when skimming and wanted to dig a little deeper into it-
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Why even vote for kyouko at all if they're just going to remove it when pressure builds? Especially if they have mixed feelings about them. The pressure could help sort those feelings out. It just reads as performative to meIn post 386, Elements wrote:
If this is to do with being worried for a partner's safety I disagree. 2 people joining a wagon in a large is barely even pressure, there's no need for Guillotina to move off a partner hereIn post 384, Black wrote: VOTE: Guillotina
I think there's partner equity in Guillotina/kyouko
Guillotina said she would support a kyouko wagon but jumped off less than 30 minutes later, right after Elements and I joined. I don't think the Celebloki vote was a very good reason to suddenly end their support and having Celebloki at the bottom of their preliminary reads in 310 feels like a performative justification for voting there rather than an actual read-
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I think this is a good point but it just gives me the feeling that nothing Guillotina is pushing is real. It feels more like a "hey look I'm trying to solve!" than actual solvingIn post 387, Gamma Emerald wrote: Yeah I think based on Guillo’s posting so far the logical conclusion is he is just liberal with his vote. I saw little to indicate he had a change of mind on Celeb but he changed votes still.-
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It isn't much pressure at all but it was building, and then the vote switch immediately diffused it. And yeah if Guillotina is town then that's why they switched votes, I just don't really think they're town. Do you?In post 391, Elements wrote:
I don't think Guillotina unvoted because of our votes, I think the vote change was a response to Celebloki's 255In post 388, Black wrote: Why even vote for kyouko at all if they're just going to remove it when pressure builds? Especially if they have mixed feelings about them. The pressure could help sort those feelings out. It just reads as performative to me
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Why are hard defending and answering for someone that you don't have a read on?In post 398, Elements wrote:
I don't have a read there yetIn post 397, Black wrote:
It isn't much pressure at all but it was building, and then the vote switch immediately diffused it. And yeah if Guillotina is town then that's why they switched votes, I just don't really think they're town. Do you?In post 391, Elements wrote:
I don't think Guillotina unvoted because of our votes, I think the vote change was a response to Celebloki's 255In post 388, Black wrote: Why even vote for kyouko at all if they're just going to remove it when pressure builds? Especially if they have mixed feelings about them. The pressure could help sort those feelings out. It just reads as performative to me
I don't consider 3 votes to be pressure in any way
I'm not vibing with their style and don't want that to influence my read so I'm leaving it for the mo-
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Yeah but like...let the person answer. If you don't have a read on them then that might helpIn post 403, Gamma Emerald wrote: Questioning reads you don’t agree with is universal-
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Ehh, not really. Them trying to look solvey and the shade on Timmer is completely unrelated to kyoukoIn post 409, Elements wrote:
I'm also not hard defending anyone?In post 402, Black wrote: Why are hard defending and answering for someone that you don't have a read on?
Your vote is based on pre-flip assosiatives which is-
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Have you played with him before? I thought you said you've never seen him play a gameIn post 417, Hu Tao wrote:
I've missed playing with ya. Glad you're here.In post 222, Random Nurse wrote: I am here.-
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Ah gotcha. Thought maybe you were an alt or something-
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Ok I am back
I'm not caught up and there have been lots of posts, and big ones, so it might take me a minute. I don't have much motivation to read it all atm but I'll get to it-
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Why am I town for this exactly?In post 465, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Black is town I think. I don't think scum stews over their wagon like this. I think the conclusion of partner equity comes more from reading us both individually as scum than it does from the references evidence, and probably I need to go back but I dont know why Black is/was voting me.-
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Can someone explain the case on Celebloki?-
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I guess I didn't really understand that line you bolded. I still don't.In post 694, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Do you want more detail than that? When I said "their" wagon I meantIn post 688, Black wrote:
Why am I town for this exactly?In post 465, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Black is town I think.I don't think scum stews over their wagon like this.I think the conclusion of partner equity comes more from reading us both individually as scum than it does from the references evidence, and probably I need to go back but I dont know why Black is/was voting me.my wagonthat you were (are still?) on, to be more clear. Iirc you had started that wagon. I didn't think scum!you (this is a read on scum behavior in general, not you specifically) was likely to hyperfixate onmy wagonso early on D1.What are you referring to as "my wagon" here-
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Ok. So when you thought I was wagoning you, you said I was town because you didn't think I would "stew over their wagon"...but you meant "stew overIn post 699, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Oh, going back to read it now since I was wondering why you were confused about that, I think you were actually wagonning Guillotina at the time so it would be the wagon on Guillotina I was referring to. I made 465 when I read 384 - you were voting me before Guillo and I think that's why when remembering back now I thought I was referring to your vote/wagon on memywagon"?
I'm not trying to be dense and I'm sorry this is so confusing. I just want to understand this comment and your read-
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I know what stewing over means
But ok now I get it based on your first paragraph. Thanks for breaking it down for me-
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So you're entire case on Celebloki is that you think his RVS vote was safe? I don't really think scum would be concerned over the optics of an RVS voteIn post 696, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:In post 690, Black wrote: Can someone explain the case on Celebloki?Spoiler: case highlighted in color
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What is the scum motivation behind a safe RVS vote? I guess what I'm asking is do you think scum are paranoid about how their RVS votes look?In post 714, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Yes, that it was safe on purpose. Nobody else has cased Celebloki I don't think. Guillo said his vote was for a different reason than mine so maybe he posted a reason somewhere, I feel like I read his reason and it didn't leave a lasting impression because I don't remember it. Mostly I remember being disappointed it was not for the reason I had not yet spokenIn post 712, Black wrote:
So you're entire case on Celebloki is that you think his RVS vote was safe? I don't really think scum would be concerned over the optics of an RVS voteIn post 696, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:In post 690, Black wrote: Can someone explain the case on Celebloki?Spoiler: case highlighted in color
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This is a better reason than the safe RVS vote stuff but it doesn't appear to be true. It's a little odd that you looked at Celebloki's ISO and came to this conclusionIn post 715, davesaz wrote: I don't think Celebloki has had a single post that wasn't about RN, which is more than a little suspicious.
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Nice plan, scumIn post 719, Broccoli Quest 2 wrote:I would like to propose a plan:
Every person list 2-4 people they are sure are town with higher than 90% certainty.
Then we make a pool of 4-5 people who never get voted today.
Then we just wagon a random person who's not in the pool, and repeat the same tomorrow. If the reads are accurate, that gives 33% chance to hit scum each day, or about 60% chance to to succeed on either.
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About half his posts are about RN which is a lot different than all of themIn post 722, davesaz wrote:
I did look fairly quickly (it's a work day) -- if I'm wrong please feel free to point something out.In post 718, Black wrote:
This is a better reason than the safe RVS vote stuff but it doesn't appear to be true. It's a little odd that you looked at Celebloki's ISO and came to this conclusionIn post 715, davesaz wrote: I don't think Celebloki has had a single post that wasn't about RN, which is more than a little suspicious.
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Ok, fair. What gives you the impression that Celebloki is new to Mafia and is anxious? Have you looked at previous games to see if maybe he could be worried about it this time around?In post 723, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
I think theyIn post 716, Black wrote:
What is the scum motivation behind a safe RVS vote? I guess what I'm asking is do you think scum are paranoid about how their RVS votes look?In post 714, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Yes, that it was safe on purpose. Nobody else has cased Celebloki I don't think. Guillo said his vote was for a different reason than mine so maybe he posted a reason somewhere, I feel like I read his reason and it didn't leave a lasting impression because I don't remember it. Mostly I remember being disappointed it was not for the reason I had not yet spokenIn post 712, Black wrote:
So you're entire case on Celebloki is that you think his RVS vote was safe? I don't really think scum would be concerned over the optics of an RVS voteIn post 696, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:In post 690, Black wrote: Can someone explain the case on Celebloki?Spoiler: case highlighted in color
Does anyone else have anything more substantial?canbe, and less importantly, but still relevant: I think it's highly unlikely that town get paranoid about how their RVS vote looks outside ofextenuatingcircumstances, like maybe if they're brand new to Mafia and the concept of RVS and are naturally an anxious person, or maybe if they just came off of being mislimmed because they E-1ed someone in RVS unknowingly, they're going to be more worried the next time around.-
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There's content in his non-RN postsIn post 727, davesaz wrote: Maybe I forgot to say non-trivial post or substantial post.
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In post 742, Celebloki wrote: Also, I would love to stop talking about RN, but apparently the wagon on me revolves around my RVS vote on him and how I keep talking about him. Should I just ignore my wagon so I can stop talking about RN?
If you are town then you should be doing other things. If all you can think about is your wagon then which votes on you are the most suspicious fypov?In post 743, Celebloki wrote: Cause I would prefer to not keep re-hashing it.-
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I think scum are generally way more interested in who scumreads who and I don't think we are at the point in the game where we need to rally everyone to list off their top townreads. I also don't like your "wagon a random person who's not in the pool, rinse and repeat" suggestion on top of that. Feels really agenda drivenIn post 736, Broccoli Quest 2 wrote:In post 720, Black wrote:
Nice plan, scumIn post 719, Broccoli Quest 2 wrote:I would like to propose a plan:
Every person list 2-4 people they are sure are town with higher than 90% certainty.
Then we make a pool of 4-5 people who never get voted today.
Then we just wagon a random person who's not in the pool, and repeat the same tomorrow. If the reads are accurate, that gives 33% chance to hit scum each day, or about 60% chance to to succeed on either.
My 2 are Gamma and Nurse btw.???-
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Yeah I meant to say townreadIn post 748, Broccoli Quest 2 wrote: Hmmm...
Why is the Celebloki wagon not attractive to you?In post 748, Broccoli Quest 2 wrote: I feel this game is kinda going nowhere. Like most Day 1's, there are a bunch of viable wagons. Here I feel most wagons are like dead inside and no one really feels like they are being pressured, and also no wagon is especially attractive to me. So I think doing something different might be a good idea, regardless of whether that something different is an amazing strategy or just a meh strategy like mine.
Why do you not consider Celebloki a serious wagon? This doesn't really feel like a valid reason to push for everyone to list off their townreadsIn post 748, Broccoli Quest 2 wrote: What kind of agenda do you think this has? My only agenda is to actually get a serious wagon going on someone who is not consensus town so that reactions and reads happen, and more importantly, we get a flip and can start analyzing stuff.-
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I disagree with this assessment. Skimming over her ISO I'm seeing attempts to solve and sort peopleIn post 756, Guillotina wrote: Naerys looks a little frozen and only posts to defend themselves.
Broccoli's responses are fine. I'm not sure who I want to wagon atm-
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I tend to agree with this. Scum generally have a harder time providing a lot of natural scumreadsIn post 763, Dunnstral wrote:
Yes because mafia don't tend to call a lot of people suspicious at once, IMO.In post 754, Elements wrote:
Really?In post 753, Dunnstral wrote:
TownyIn post 561, Hu Tao wrote: Playerlist:
Gamma Emerald
Celebloki
Naerys
Guillotina
Keyleth
TimmerRC
Elements
Posting this for myself to look up later. List of people I have suspicions on for one reason or another.-
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I just typically scumread plans like this. It always reads as an attempt to get a bunch of information out on the table in order to make the optimal NK's and night targets. I think it could come from town though so it's just mehIn post 777, Gamma Emerald wrote: Do you think the plan is scummy or are there other reasons you SR BQ?
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One thing I'm kinda upset about is CSF didn't say hi to me at all
I guess Team Mafia meant nothing to you?
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In post 783, Keyleth wrote: black play here feels very analytical and logical,it's hard for me to wrap a read on that given I'm mostly the other way.Not that I haven't run into people like this but it's a 50/50 most of the time.
Idk, this kinda feels analytical and logical to meIn post 785, Keyleth wrote:
Really? I've seen that plan executed by wolves before, at least if you put the plan into action given you're asking for support on a wagon and who are the top towns. I think it's a net positive for wolves, while for town it depends on the first hit. So in isolation you can see how the post is sort of wolfy.In post 784, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I don’t think it’s scummy in isolation; with additional context it could be. But in this instance I think it’s a town move.In post 782, Black wrote:
I just typically scumread plans like this. It always reads as an attempt to get a bunch of information out on the table in order to make the optimal NK's and night targets. I think it could come from town though so it's just mehIn post 777, Gamma Emerald wrote: Do you think the plan is scummy or are there other reasons you SR BQ?
You said the plan was "interesting" ...what does that mean? Do you think it's scummy or nah?
However, with the added context with how Broccoli is playing I'm more inclined to believe it's in good faith. Maybe I wouldn't feel this way if I wasn't nodding along with their previous posts but yeah.-
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That's fair lolIn post 788, Keyleth wrote: keyword in that sentence is mostly.-
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Why Hu Tao?In post 822, Broccoli Quest 2 wrote:Anyway I think Black asked who would be a good wagon rn since she doesn't want Naerys. My answer is one of Kawaii/Hu Tao/CSF.
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What is it that you dislike about Naerys's ISO?In post 849, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Yeah ok actually if it comes down to it today I'd put Naerys high in my POE after reading her ISO, but I'd prefer one of my own scumreads dave/celebloki. Naerys feels like she has a decent chance to be scum here, probably higher than Celebloki from an outside POV. I know people in general are hesitant to hard scumread or hard townread off of small things the way I SR Celebloki but it's like the same way I got my hard Elements TR in Open 893. I could just smell lazy town from a mile away when they tried to scumread Gamma for pretty low effort meta reasons (turned out they were right about Gamma though)-
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VOTE: Hu Tao
I'm down to wagon this-
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In post 909, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Naerys feels like she has a decent chance to be scum here
These reads are so different that I'm having a hard time believing they are realIn post 909, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: So yeah after reading closer I don't think Naerys is scummy up to 555. She's towny even.
To me it seems like you were trying to leave room for you to support and eventually join the Naerys wagon but then couldn't justify the read when asked about it, and I think that's more likely to come from scum
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In post 914, DragonEater70 wrote:In post 911, Black wrote:In post 909, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Naerys feels like she has a decent chance to be scum here
These reads are so different that I'm having a hard time believing they are realIn post 909, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: So yeah after reading closer I don't think Naerys is scummy up to 555. She's towny even.
To me it seems like you were trying to leave room for you to support and eventually join the Naerys wagon but then couldn't justify the read when asked about it, and I think that's more likely to come from scum
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What context am I missing here broccoli dragon?-
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