Large Normal 246: Game Over

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Meta this, meta that, have you ever meta girl before?

VOTE: KawaiiKame

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Good day/evening! I hope everyone is doing well.

Why did I read this as an evil laugh XD

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Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

I don't really think I deserve a TR either

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Anyone want to start a wagon?

Sure, I'll sheep you

*checks votes*

VOTE: Elements

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Elements you have 13 posts on this page. Can you chill

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Elements you have 13 posts on this page. Can you chill

I did pre-emptively apologise

Why is your plan to spam the thread with a bunch of nothing posts?

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Elements you have 13 posts on this page. Can you chill

I did pre-emptively apologise

Why is your plan to spam the thread with a bunch of nothing posts?

I feel you're being too dismissive of Elemental's posts, she's asked,

Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?

Defended you as town
Apologized for her playstyle

Constantly vote switching is confusing, I want to know why she switched to Nono, any explanation/elabaration is good
Even if it's "spam" she's observing, questioning, defending

At the time I had counted 9 relevant posts and 10 spammy ones. That's a lot of posts for two pages. Elements said she's bored with no impulse control so I'm just gonna let her do her thang

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I think Hu Tao was just joking with the VT claim

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It's one of those games I guess
VOTE: nono

Do you know what your vote doesn't count?

I was confused by the VC as well but it looks like Jingle put my first vote onto nono, striked it out to indicate I moved my vote, and put my current vote on Guillotina. I have a vote

Oh weird. Surely he's not going to keep track of every unvote right?

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I think Hu Tao was just joking with the VT claim

Oh... it's early here, lol. Just got my kiddo off to school, coffee hasnt done its thing yet. My joke-dar may not be up yet.

It could be a real claim but it's on page 1 and surrounded by what I'm assuming are a few other joke claims, so that's why I'm reading it as fake

It's been awhile, remind me why voting millers is the best option?

From what I gathered, Miller claims are pretty controversial. Scum could claim this early in order to deter any potential investigative roles from targeting them, so people generally aren't a big fan of these claims

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From what I gathered, Miller claims are pretty controversial. Scum could claim this early in order to deter any potential investigative roles from targeting them, so people generally aren't a big fan of these claims

Do you feel Duun/Kyouko will fakeclaim miller as mafia?

I'm not sure. Dunn's claim felt like a joke with it being the first post of the game. Kyouko's feels more real but I'm not familiar enough with her to tell if it's coming from scum

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I like kyouko so I'd rather not vote her out over the miller claim

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Timmer feels town so far

The "I'm terrible at D1" feels more like a townie trying to explain why he doesn't have many reads as opposed to Mafia worried about their optics

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@mod: I'll be v/la until Monday

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It seems pretty clear that Elements got the two mixed up in 39 and then realized she didn't actually townread the person Kawaii was voting for, which led to her vote in 40

The assumptions in 146 and 147 feel like a stretch

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I don't think I've ever seen Random Nurse actually play a game. He's in a perpetual state of joining games and then flaking

[Black]

VOTE: Kyouko

[Black]

My preliminary reads:

Town

Black
Kawaii

Mixed Feelings

Kyouko

Scum

Naerys
Hu
Gamma
Celebloki

Why do you have mixed feelings about kyouko?

VOTE: Kyouko

VOTE: Kyouko

Why did you 2 vote Kyouko?

I think she could be scum and I wanted a wagon

Not really liking Guillotina's unvote

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VOTE: Guillotina

I think there's partner equity in Guillotina/kyouko

Guillotina said she would support a kyouko wagon but jumped off less than 30 minutes later, right after Elements and I joined. I don't think the Celebloki vote was a very good reason to suddenly end their support and having Celebloki at the bottom of their preliminary reads in 310 feels like a performative justification for voting there rather than an actual read

In both 293 and 377 they made sure to include that they weren't voting for the same reason as the person they were sheeping which feels like scum that might be trying to flaunt that their read is unique and different

I think the questions from Guillotina are like...ok, but nothing scum couldn't come up with in an attempt to seem townie, and I think the interpretation in 374 is really odd and it just feels like unnecessary shade towards Timmer

[Black]

There's still a lot I need to read but I got this feeling when skimming and wanted to dig a little deeper into it

[Black]

VOTE: Guillotina

I think there's partner equity in Guillotina/kyouko

Guillotina said she would support a kyouko wagon but jumped off less than 30 minutes later, right after Elements and I joined. I don't think the Celebloki vote was a very good reason to suddenly end their support and having Celebloki at the bottom of their preliminary reads in 310 feels like a performative justification for voting there rather than an actual read

If this is to do with being worried for a partner's safety I disagree. 2 people joining a wagon in a large is barely even pressure, there's no need for Guillotina to move off a partner here

Why even vote for kyouko at all if they're just going to remove it when pressure builds? Especially if they have mixed feelings about them. The pressure could help sort those feelings out. It just reads as performative to me

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Yeah I think based on Guillo’s posting so far the logical conclusion is he is just liberal with his vote. I saw little to indicate he had a change of mind on Celeb but he changed votes still.

I think this is a good point but it just gives me the feeling that nothing Guillotina is pushing is real. It feels more like a "hey look I'm trying to solve!" than actual solving

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Why even vote for kyouko at all if they're just going to remove it when pressure builds? Especially if they have mixed feelings about them. The pressure could help sort those feelings out. It just reads as performative to me

I don't think Guillotina unvoted because of our votes, I think the vote change was a response to Celebloki's 255
I don't consider 3 votes to be pressure in any way

It isn't much pressure at all but it was building, and then the vote switch immediately diffused it. And yeah if Guillotina is town then that's why they switched votes, I just don't really think they're town. Do you?

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Bloop

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Why even vote for kyouko at all if they're just going to remove it when pressure builds? Especially if they have mixed feelings about them. The pressure could help sort those feelings out. It just reads as performative to me

I don't think Guillotina unvoted because of our votes, I think the vote change was a response to Celebloki's 255
I don't consider 3 votes to be pressure in any way

It isn't much pressure at all but it was building, and then the vote switch immediately diffused it. And yeah if Guillotina is town then that's why they switched votes, I just don't really think they're town. Do you?

I don't have a read there yet
I'm not vibing with their style and don't want that to influence my read so I'm leaving it for the mo

Why are hard defending and answering for someone that you don't have a read on?

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Questioning reads you don’t agree with is universal

Yeah but like...let the person answer. If you don't have a read on them then that might help

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Why are hard defending and answering for someone that you don't have a read on?

I'm also not hard defending anyone?
Your vote is based on pre-flip assosiatives which is

Ehh, not really. Them trying to look solvey and the shade on Timmer is completely unrelated to kyouko

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I am here.

I've missed playing with ya. Glad you're here.

Have you played with him before? I thought you said you've never seen him play a game

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Ah gotcha. Thought maybe you were an alt or something

[Black]

Hi CSF!!!

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Ok I am back

I'm not caught up and there have been lots of posts, and big ones, so it might take me a minute. I don't have much motivation to read it all atm but I'll get to it

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Black is town I think. I don't think scum stews over their wagon like this. I think the conclusion of partner equity comes more from reading us both individually as scum than it does from the references evidence, and probably I need to go back but I dont know why Black is/was voting me.

Why am I town for this exactly?

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Can someone explain the case on Celebloki?

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Black is town I think.

I don't think scum stews over their wagon like this.

I think the conclusion of partner equity comes more from reading us both individually as scum than it does from the references evidence, and probably I need to go back but I dont know why Black is/was voting me.

Why am I town for this exactly?

Do you want more detail than that? When I said "their" wagon I meant

my wagon

that you were (are still?) on, to be more clear. Iirc you had started that wagon. I didn't think scum!you (this is a read on scum behavior in general, not you specifically) was likely to hyperfixate on

my wagon

so early on D1.

I guess I didn't really understand that line you bolded. I still don't.

What are you referring to as "my wagon" here

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Oh, going back to read it now since I was wondering why you were confused about that, I think you were actually wagonning Guillotina at the time so it would be the wagon on Guillotina I was referring to. I made 465 when I read 384 - you were voting me before Guillo and I think that's why when remembering back now I thought I was referring to your vote/wagon on me

Ok. So when you thought I was wagoning you, you said I was town because you didn't think I would "stew over their wagon"...but you meant "stew over

my

wagon"?

I'm not trying to be dense and I'm sorry this is so confusing. I just want to understand this comment and your read

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I know what stewing over means

But ok now I get it based on your first paragraph. Thanks for breaking it down for me

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Can someone explain the case on Celebloki?

Spoiler: case highlighted in color

I've also been in a lot of games that Random Nurse was in a the start, my RVS vote on him is basically because I knew he wasn't going to show.

VOTE: Celebloki

It feels strange to me that nobody else took issue with this for the same reason I did. Guillotina voted here but not for the same reason.

The issue I have with this post is it reveals that Celebloki wanted a 'safe' RVS vote. Who but scum wants that?

Who but scum even thinks "I know this guy isnt going to show so I'll vote him in RVS"

If you're doing this as town you can just not vote. This is scum trying to fit in during RVS and now that we're out of it he felt comfortable enough to admit it.

He slipped imo

Who but scum even thinks "I know this guy isnt going to show so I'll vote him in RVS"

If you're doing this as town you can just not vote. This is scum trying to fit in during RVS and now that we're out of it he felt comfortable enough to admit it.

He slipped imo

I always have a reason for a vote, even in RVS. It can sometimes be just because I think their name is silly, because of a previous game with that person, or any other random reason. Are you saying all townies always truly randomly vote in RVS? You had no reason to vote Nono or guillotina at the start?

Nono, no. No reason I mean.

Guillotina, yes. For that one time he was scum (that I found on D1 who then turned it around on me and got me mislimmed D1) in that one game (Chrono Trigger Chronicles: The Rise of Yakra).

I don't think townies truly "randomly" vote, no. For me I was just looking through the player list and the name caught my eye so I voted nono. Then I stopped looking at the playerlist and got back to reading the game. Later on I looked at the full playerlist and recognized Guillotina and I did have a reason for that vote.

I dont think the problem is that your vote wasnt random

, I dont think town is always going to open up a random number generator and pick someone.

The reason you had I think is scum-indicative. If you think RN isn't going to join the game, why vote there (rhetorical)? You'll never get a reaction that way and I think as town (the royal) you would want to avoid that kind of vote that does nothing when they could make a different one that might produce something.

That's why I moved my vote from Nono to Guillotina, because with Nono it was just a vote for whomever, not that likely to get attention, but I did get Guillotina's attention when he started reading

So you're entire case on Celebloki is that you think his RVS vote was safe? I don't really think scum would be concerned over the optics of an RVS vote

Does anyone else have anything more substantial?

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Your** damn mobile

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Can someone explain the case on Celebloki?

Spoiler: case highlighted in color

I've also been in a lot of games that Random Nurse was in a the start, my RVS vote on him is basically because I knew he wasn't going to show.

VOTE: Celebloki

It feels strange to me that nobody else took issue with this for the same reason I did. Guillotina voted here but not for the same reason.

The issue I have with this post is it reveals that Celebloki wanted a 'safe' RVS vote. Who but scum wants that?

Who but scum even thinks "I know this guy isnt going to show so I'll vote him in RVS"

If you're doing this as town you can just not vote. This is scum trying to fit in during RVS and now that we're out of it he felt comfortable enough to admit it.

He slipped imo

Who but scum even thinks "I know this guy isnt going to show so I'll vote him in RVS"

If you're doing this as town you can just not vote. This is scum trying to fit in during RVS and now that we're out of it he felt comfortable enough to admit it.

He slipped imo

I always have a reason for a vote, even in RVS. It can sometimes be just because I think their name is silly, because of a previous game with that person, or any other random reason. Are you saying all townies always truly randomly vote in RVS? You had no reason to vote Nono or guillotina at the start?

Nono, no. No reason I mean.

Guillotina, yes. For that one time he was scum (that I found on D1 who then turned it around on me and got me mislimmed D1) in that one game (Chrono Trigger Chronicles: The Rise of Yakra).

I don't think townies truly "randomly" vote, no. For me I was just looking through the player list and the name caught my eye so I voted nono. Then I stopped looking at the playerlist and got back to reading the game. Later on I looked at the full playerlist and recognized Guillotina and I did have a reason for that vote.

I dont think the problem is that your vote wasnt random

, I dont think town is always going to open up a random number generator and pick someone.

The reason you had I think is scum-indicative. If you think RN isn't going to join the game, why vote there (rhetorical)? You'll never get a reaction that way and I think as town (the royal) you would want to avoid that kind of vote that does nothing when they could make a different one that might produce something.

That's why I moved my vote from Nono to Guillotina, because with Nono it was just a vote for whomever, not that likely to get attention, but I did get Guillotina's attention when he started reading

So you're entire case on Celebloki is that you think his RVS vote was safe? I don't really think scum would be concerned over the optics of an RVS vote

Does anyone else have anything more substantial?

Yes, that it was safe on purpose. Nobody else has cased Celebloki I don't think. Guillo said his vote was for a different reason than mine so maybe he posted a reason somewhere, I feel like I read his reason and it didn't leave a lasting impression because I don't remember it. Mostly I remember being disappointed it was not for the reason I had not yet spoken

What is the scum motivation behind a safe RVS vote? I guess what I'm asking is do you think scum are paranoid about how their RVS votes look?

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I don't think Celebloki has had a single post that wasn't about RN, which is more than a little suspicious.

VOTE: Celebloki

This is a better reason than the safe RVS vote stuff but it doesn't appear to be true. It's a little odd that you looked at Celebloki's ISO and came to this conclusion

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I would like to propose a plan:

Every person list 2-4 people they are sure are town with higher than 90% certainty.

Then we make a pool of 4-5 people who never get voted today.

Then we just wagon a random person who's not in the pool, and repeat the same tomorrow. If the reads are accurate, that gives 33% chance to hit scum each day, or about 60% chance to to succeed on either.

My 2 are Gamma and Nurse btw.

Nice plan, scum

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VOTE: Broccoli Quest 2

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I don't think Celebloki has had a single post that wasn't about RN, which is more than a little suspicious.

VOTE: Celebloki

This is a better reason than the safe RVS vote stuff but it doesn't appear to be true. It's a little odd that you looked at Celebloki's ISO and came to this conclusion

I did look fairly quickly (it's a work day) -- if I'm wrong please feel free to point something out.

About half his posts are about RN which is a lot different than all of them

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Can someone explain the case on Celebloki?

Spoiler: case highlighted in color

I've also been in a lot of games that Random Nurse was in a the start, my RVS vote on him is basically because I knew he wasn't going to show.

VOTE: Celebloki

It feels strange to me that nobody else took issue with this for the same reason I did. Guillotina voted here but not for the same reason.

The issue I have with this post is it reveals that Celebloki wanted a 'safe' RVS vote. Who but scum wants that?

Who but scum even thinks "I know this guy isnt going to show so I'll vote him in RVS"

If you're doing this as town you can just not vote. This is scum trying to fit in during RVS and now that we're out of it he felt comfortable enough to admit it.

He slipped imo

Who but scum even thinks "I know this guy isnt going to show so I'll vote him in RVS"

If you're doing this as town you can just not vote. This is scum trying to fit in during RVS and now that we're out of it he felt comfortable enough to admit it.

He slipped imo

I always have a reason for a vote, even in RVS. It can sometimes be just because I think their name is silly, because of a previous game with that person, or any other random reason. Are you saying all townies always truly randomly vote in RVS? You had no reason to vote Nono or guillotina at the start?

Nono, no. No reason I mean.

Guillotina, yes. For that one time he was scum (that I found on D1 who then turned it around on me and got me mislimmed D1) in that one game (Chrono Trigger Chronicles: The Rise of Yakra).

I don't think townies truly "randomly" vote, no. For me I was just looking through the player list and the name caught my eye so I voted nono. Then I stopped looking at the playerlist and got back to reading the game. Later on I looked at the full playerlist and recognized Guillotina and I did have a reason for that vote.

I dont think the problem is that your vote wasnt random

, I dont think town is always going to open up a random number generator and pick someone.

The reason you had I think is scum-indicative. If you think RN isn't going to join the game, why vote there (rhetorical)? You'll never get a reaction that way and I think as town (the royal) you would want to avoid that kind of vote that does nothing when they could make a different one that might produce something.

That's why I moved my vote from Nono to Guillotina, because with Nono it was just a vote for whomever, not that likely to get attention, but I did get Guillotina's attention when he started reading

So you're entire case on Celebloki is that you think his RVS vote was safe? I don't really think scum would be concerned over the optics of an RVS vote

Does anyone else have anything more substantial?

Yes, that it was safe on purpose. Nobody else has cased Celebloki I don't think. Guillo said his vote was for a different reason than mine so maybe he posted a reason somewhere, I feel like I read his reason and it didn't leave a lasting impression because I don't remember it. Mostly I remember being disappointed it was not for the reason I had not yet spoken

What is the scum motivation behind a safe RVS vote? I guess what I'm asking is do you think scum are paranoid about how their RVS votes look?

I think they

can

be, and less importantly, but still relevant: I think it's highly unlikely that town get paranoid about how their RVS vote looks outside of

extenuating

circumstances, like maybe if they're brand new to Mafia and the concept of RVS and are naturally an anxious person, or maybe if they just came off of being mislimmed because they E-1ed someone in RVS unknowingly, they're going to be more worried the next time around.

Ok, fair. What gives you the impression that Celebloki is new to Mafia and is anxious? Have you looked at previous games to see if maybe he could be worried about it this time around?

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Maybe I forgot to say non-trivial post or substantial post.

There's content in his non-RN posts

This kinda just feels like a weak excuse to jump on the wagon

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Also, I would love to stop talking about RN, but apparently the wagon on me revolves around my RVS vote on him and how I keep talking about him. Should I just ignore my wagon so I can stop talking about RN?

Cause I would prefer to not keep re-hashing it.

If you are town then you should be doing other things. If all you can think about is your wagon then which votes on you are the most suspicious fypov?

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I would like to propose a plan:

Every person list 2-4 people they are sure are town with higher than 90% certainty.

Then we make a pool of 4-5 people who never get voted today.

Then we just wagon a random person who's not in the pool, and repeat the same tomorrow. If the reads are accurate, that gives 33% chance to hit scum each day, or about 60% chance to to succeed on either.

My 2 are Gamma and Nurse btw.

Nice plan, scum

???

I think scum are generally way more interested in who scumreads who and I don't think we are at the point in the game where we need to rally everyone to list off their top townreads. I also don't like your "wagon a random person who's not in the pool, rinse and repeat" suggestion on top of that. Feels really agenda driven

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Hmmm...

Yeah I meant to say townread

I feel this game is kinda going nowhere. Like most Day 1's, there are a bunch of viable wagons. Here I feel most wagons are like dead inside and no one really feels like they are being pressured, and also no wagon is especially attractive to me. So I think doing something different might be a good idea, regardless of whether that something different is an amazing strategy or just a meh strategy like mine.

Why is the Celebloki wagon not attractive to you?

What kind of agenda do you think this has? My only agenda is to actually get a serious wagon going on someone who is not consensus town so that reactions and reads happen, and more importantly, we get a flip and can start analyzing stuff.

Why do you not consider Celebloki a serious wagon? This doesn't really feel like a valid reason to push for everyone to list off their townreads

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Naerys looks a little frozen and only posts to defend themselves.

I disagree with this assessment. Skimming over her ISO I'm seeing attempts to solve and sort people

Broccoli's responses are fine. I'm not sure who I want to wagon atm

[Black]

Playerlist:
Gamma Emerald
Celebloki
Naerys
Guillotina
Keyleth
TimmerRC
Elements

Posting this for myself to look up later. List of people I have suspicions on for one reason or another.

Towny

Really?

Yes because mafia don't tend to call a lot of people suspicious at once, IMO.

I tend to agree with this. Scum generally have a harder time providing a lot of natural scumreads

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Do you think the plan is scummy or are there other reasons you SR BQ?

I just typically scumread plans like this. It always reads as an attempt to get a bunch of information out on the table in order to make the optimal NK's and night targets. I think it could come from town though so it's just meh

You said the plan was "interesting" ...what does that mean? Do you think it's scummy or nah?

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One thing I'm kinda upset about is CSF didn't say hi to me at all

I guess Team Mafia meant nothing to you?

[Black]

black play here feels very analytical and logical,

it's hard for me to wrap a read on that given I'm mostly the other way.

Not that I haven't run into people like this but it's a 50/50 most of the time.

Do you think the plan is scummy or are there other reasons you SR BQ?

I just typically scumread plans like this. It always reads as an attempt to get a bunch of information out on the table in order to make the optimal NK's and night targets. I think it could come from town though so it's just meh

You said the plan was "interesting" ...what does that mean? Do you think it's scummy or nah?

I don’t think it’s scummy in isolation; with additional context it could be. But in this instance I think it’s a town move.

Really? I've seen that plan executed by wolves before, at least if you put the plan into action given you're asking for support on a wagon and who are the top towns. I think it's a net positive for wolves, while for town it depends on the first hit. So in isolation you can see how the post is sort of wolfy.

However, with the added context with how Broccoli is playing I'm more inclined to believe it's in good faith. Maybe I wouldn't feel this way if I wasn't nodding along with their previous posts but yeah.

Idk, this kinda feels analytical and logical to me

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keyword in that sentence is mostly.

That's fair lol

[Black]

Anyway I think Black asked who would be a good wagon rn since she doesn't want Naerys. My answer is one of Kawaii/Hu Tao/CSF.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Why Hu Tao?

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Yeah ok actually if it comes down to it today I'd put Naerys high in my POE after reading her ISO, but I'd prefer one of my own scumreads dave/celebloki. Naerys feels like she has a decent chance to be scum here, probably higher than Celebloki from an outside POV. I know people in general are hesitant to hard scumread or hard townread off of small things the way I SR Celebloki but it's like the same way I got my hard Elements TR in Open 893. I could just smell lazy town from a mile away when they tried to scumread Gamma for pretty low effort meta reasons (turned out they were right about Gamma though)

What is it that you dislike about Naerys's ISO?

[Black]

VOTE: Hu Tao

I'm down to wagon this

[Black]

Naerys feels like she has a decent chance to be scum here

So yeah after reading closer I don't think Naerys is scummy up to 555. She's towny even.

These reads are so different that I'm having a hard time believing they are real

To me it seems like you were trying to leave room for you to support and eventually join the Naerys wagon but then couldn't justify the read when asked about it, and I think that's more likely to come from scum

VOTE: kyouko

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Naerys feels like she has a decent chance to be scum here

So yeah after reading closer I don't think Naerys is scummy up to 555. She's towny even.

These reads are so different that I'm having a hard time believing they are real

To me it seems like you were trying to leave room for you to support and eventually join the Naerys wagon but then couldn't justify the read when asked about it, and I think that's more likely to come from scum

VOTE: kyouko

lol what

Context is a thing

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What context am I missing here broccoli dragon?

[Black]

well you snipped out the context for both reads so of course they look weird when juxtaposed. If you read the context, the read change isn't even weird IMO.

The only thing I snipped out in the first quote was that kyouko looked at Naerys's ISO and scumread her, which makes it even worse. I snipped out the reasoning in the second quote because it wasn't relevant to my point. The reasons felt like an over justification for the read change. I'm not buying it

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Plus the fact that i tend to be used as a limbait by scum.

Can someone here other than Naerys confirm this?

This was sort of the case in Mini Normal 2316 that just ended, though it felt like Naerys was limbait by everyone lol

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Naerys feels like she has a decent chance to be scum here

So yeah after reading closer I don't think Naerys is scummy up to 555. She's towny even.

These reads are so different that I'm having a hard time believing they are real

To me it seems like you were trying to leave room for you to support and eventually join the Naerys wagon but then couldn't justify the read when asked about it, and I think that's more likely to come from scum

VOTE: kyouko

Why is it that you town read Naerys for?

I like her thoughts and I feel like she's trying to figure out people's alignments

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It's like the entire ISO. Open it up and take your pick and chances are I like it

[Black]

I would like to propose a plan:

Every person list 2-4 people they are sure are town with higher than 90% certainty.

Then we make a pool of 4-5 people who never get voted today.

Then we just wagon a random person who's not in the pool, and repeat the same tomorrow. If the reads are accurate, that gives 33% chance to hit scum each day, or about 60% chance to to succeed on either.

My 2 are Gamma and Nurse btw.

Add Kyouko to my list

So big post = town to you? No shot you actually read that in under a minute

[Black]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Black]

Also I'm posting this for post game. Let this be the game I quote for people to stop trying to meta read me.

I got hammered with that last vote. I was town pr. Congrats. Have fun in the game without me.

What's your full claim?

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I got hammered with that last vote. I was town pr. Congrats. Have fun in the game without me.

So this was fake? What kind of reaction test is that?

I'm not really buying this, I think you just wanted to claim PR and seem exasperated

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Also I'm posting this for post game. Let this be the game I quote for people to stop trying to meta read me.

I got hammered with that last vote. I was town pr. Congrats. Have fun in the game without me.

What's your full claim?

I'm a doctor

This doesn't feel like a full claim. Just a plan ol' vanilla doctor?

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UNVOTE:

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Also I'm posting this for post game. Let this be the game I quote for people to stop trying to meta read me.

I got hammered with that last vote. I was town pr. Congrats. Have fun in the game without me.

What's your full claim?

Sus

Nah, it shouldn't be. I thought it was theatre and if she's going to claim PR then she might as well full claim. No one is going to jump off the wagon based on a vague PR claim

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I understand the suspicion around Hu Tao's claim because I think the way she claimed it was really odd, but I don't really see the harm in keeping her around a bit longer. Either Mafia get rid of her overnight or we can deal with her closer to ELO

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I'm leaving the vote there even though it's non optimum.

That's a really strange choice

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@Black + Gamma

Part of my SR on Hu Tao is based on the game that just finished.

That said, I should really sleep now.

Do you think her play is similar to this game? What do you think are indicators of her town game?

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I believe Hu Tao's claim and I think the people voting for her should probably find something else to do today

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@Black + Gamma

Part of my SR on Hu Tao is based on the game that just finished.

That said, I should really sleep now.

I was going to mention that soon if no one else did.

Give me your thoughts here. What similarities do you see?

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There’s this like, flippant attitude? That I have only really seen from scum!HT

How many town games have you played with Hu and could you link some of them?

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#1 contains both the nugget that a Town Doctor isn't important and suggests that it would be ok to mislim them because hey mafia would likely let them live to get mislimmed later. How is that town?

Yeah I really don't like this either

I think people are equating effort and wall posts to being town and that's not really a convincing argument to me. I put in effort as scum every time I roll it

I'm down to wagon this again. Hop on Timmer

VOTE: kyouko

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There’s this like, flippant attitude? That I have only really seen from scum!HT

How many town games have you played with Hu and could you link some of them?

Games where I was town or Hu was town?

Town!Hu

I'm trying to determine if this is a real read from you or not

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I am so lost over why people want to vote kyouko truthfully, can you spell it out to me like I'm five? Thank you.

Better yet, why don't you tell us why you townread kyouko

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If you want to know why people scumread her then you can check who's voting for her and look through their ISO's. I looked through yours and saw a lot of subtle defending of her slot but no real read other than she feels like she did in a previous game you played, which is pretty weak

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I think if kyouko flips scum then Keyleth has some partner equity here. These posts feel pretty meh if I consider a scum!kyouko world

Spoiler: Keyleth Quotes

I'm not sure. Dunn's claim felt like a joke with it being the first post of the game. Kyouko's feels more real but I'm not familiar enough with her to tell if it's coming from scum

I feel Duun's claim is genuine, millers often claim miller in their opening posts. Duun's miller claim feels straight up, unlikely that mafia plays this directly. Kyouko feels real/potentially opportunistic, shielding herself behind the initial miller claim if she is mafia

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

I understand your thought process. We should probably give them a chance though. At least, I would feel bad voting them out based off that one post when it could be more than one miller. Can't say I personally played with those often so the idea is neat!

Hrm, maybe I'm not seeing it for Kyouko but that could just be the way I play. I'll sit here and let people do their thing though the threadstate seems healthy so I'm not gonna get in yalls way.

Kyouko, Kawaii, and CSF have the most points I should add. So if anyone has suspicions on those slots I'd love to talk them over with you.

So since it's apparent what the situation is, why post at all? 640 feels like a long post about... nothing.

I understand where your post is coming fromI read it as someone just wanting to state the obvious. However, I personally don't really know where to point the smoking gun because I can see it as either side. I've given Dave BOTD because most people push me because of how I play on here, do you think the shade posts are in bad faith?

I can now say Kyouko feels like the same game we were in without being smited phew.

I am so lost over why people want to vote kyouko truthfully, can you spell it out to me like I'm five? Thank you.

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I am so lost over why people want to vote kyouko truthfully, can you spell it out to me like I'm five? Thank you.

Better yet, why don't you tell us why you townread kyouko

Innocent until proven guilty as they say!

They don't say that in Mafia. And tbh I find your "everyone is town" mindset a little strange. It's a stark contrast to the way I think about the game. I'm paranoid that anyone could be scum

Who do you scumread?

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Also you kinda skirted around the kyouko question. You say you just feel like they're town. Can you dig deeper? What posts give you this feeling and why?

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I just read over Keyleth's entire ISO in Toriel's Patience and he doesn't defend his townreads like he's doing with kyouko this game. There's one instance of him maybe doing this in post #2791 but other than that, this is just not something town!Keyleth does. He's already defended kyouko multiple times

I think they're both just scum here

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Hey gob

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Any thoughts on what I'm cooking up here?

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Any thoughts on what I'm cooking up here?

I havent read all of it but I don’t think its good practice to read 2 people as scum from 1 person’s meta.

That's not what I'm doing at all lol. The meta thing was just a supporting argument. I scumread kyouko initially and then found Keyleth by association, then confirmed that Keyleth is playing different than he did as town

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She* sorry. I didn't check the pronouns until just now

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I think people are right about Kyouko and Key being scum together

It's just me lol

But yeah I think I'm right too

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I have a lot of energy now. What should I use it on?

Figure out if kyouko is scum or not

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Aside from a game where I can’t recall HT’s actual contributions at all, these are the towngames of hers I’ve been in

After looking these over it feels like Hu Tao sometimes gets a "flippant attitude" when being incorrectly scumread. I'm seeing it more in Mini Normal 2314 than the other game. I tend to act similarly so I can relate to this

I think we just let this slot live for now

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kyouko have you completed any scum games on the site and if so can you link a couple of them?

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Thanks!

Would you mind going over your Gamma read a little? Do you think she could be scum for reasons outside of pushing you or is it just that?

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My 2 most recent scumgames were both larges where I got D1 eliminated, enjoy the read

I was looking over Large 237 before you linked it. I will admit it feels nothing like you from this game. It was 2 years ago so I guess it's possible you've gotten a lot better at appearing townie as scum, but meh

Looking at the other game now

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Yeah this doesn't really feel like scum!kyouko based on those games at least. In those games you seem a bit more defensive towards the people pushing you, and here you just jump straight into solving when being pushed, like you're actively trying to figure out who is scum on your wagon. I could be getting fooled by the fact that this was 2 years ago and maybe you've adapted your behavior as scum, but I don't really think I'm feeling this atm

I still think my Keyleth read means something though, even if kyouko is town here. Keyleth didn't defend his townreads when he was town. She acted more uncertain about everyone, but here she's defending people that have earned town points. It kinda gives off the air of knowing they are town?

I think I would be down for a Gamma or Keyleth wagon. We only have a little over a day left in the deadline so I'm curious what people think about these two

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How did I manage to fuck up Keyleth's pronouns and then get them correct in the same post? Again I'm terribly sorry. I will be more mindful of it moving foward

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Yeah I know...

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I'm torn between trusting kyouko and voting Gamma and trusting Gamma and voting Keyleth

Someone help

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@kyouko

Would you mind going over your Gamma read a little? Do you think she could be scum for reasons outside of pushing you or is it just that?

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Yeah this doesn't really feel like scum!kyouko based on those games at least. In those games you seem a bit more defensive towards the people pushing you,

I disagree with the statement that they are not being defensive here, right after we voted they "suspected" Gamma, Dave and myself for being scum. That is outright OMGUS.

In that game when she was being pushed it was more like "why me?" type stuff. Yeah she suspected some people on her wagon here but it felt more like solving as opposed to defensiveness. I could be wrong though

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I'm not sold on kyouko being town here because 2 year old meta isn't really convincing. Like I think she could have adapted her scum play. But I am considering moving to Keyleth. I'm not really convinced about my read on her either

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I think I would be down for a Gamma or Keyleth wagon. We only have a little over a day left in the deadline so I'm curious what people think about these two

I don't care about those two today. If we are going to collectively take Kyo off of the chopping block, we go back to Celebloki or Naerys.

I could maybe do Celebloki

kyouko claimed miller though which lowkey makes me want to fade there

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I think the case on Cele is a little weak but I don't really like his Hu Tao push after she claimed. He has started to solve a bit more after people called him out for just talking about RN

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Yeah I think I'm ok with kyouko or Cele as well, whichever gains more traction

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Kyouko if Hu Tao is actually the doctor then scum will want to either NK her or let her move for the wifom. If they let her live then it could potentially be a huge swing for the town if she blocks a kill later in the game. Why is it not optimal to just leave her alone until much closer to ELO?

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Let her live*

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VOTE: black

If you're town then you're trolling. A vanity wagon on me does no good this close to the deadline, especially if you're not going to make a case and try to convince others to wagon with you

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I'm torn between trusting kyouko and voting Gamma and trusting Gamma and voting Keyleth

Someone help

The thing is I only think Key is scum if Kyouko is scum because the thing I latched onto is something I consider a partner tell
VOTE: TimmerRC
How about this instead?

I just find Key's defense of kyouko a bit odd. Like I said she didn't defend her townreads at all in her last game. I'm getting informed vibes there

What is your read on Timmer?

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Asking me what my read there is after I vote there on my own feels pretty useless tbh

Huh? I just wanted to know why you think he's scum...

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This shade feels weird

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Asking me what my read there is after I vote there on my own feels pretty useless tbh

Huh? I just wanted to know why you think he's scum...

That’s not the specific thing you wrote though

I can understand the confusion but it's obvious that you scumread him. I wanted to know the specifics behind that

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I'm down to wagon Dunnstral

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Is there an appetite for a Dunn wagon here?

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Why would you claim that with no real pressure on you?

If it comes down to you vs. Hu Tao then I'm going with the Miller and the scummier player

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I think if kyouko flips scum then Keyleth has some partner equity here. These posts feel pretty meh if I consider a scum!kyouko world

Spoiler: Keyleth Quotes

I'm not sure. Dunn's claim felt like a joke with it being the first post of the game. Kyouko's feels more real but I'm not familiar enough with her to tell if it's coming from scum

I feel Duun's claim is genuine, millers often claim miller in their opening posts. Duun's miller claim feels straight up, unlikely that mafia plays this directly. Kyouko feels real/potentially opportunistic, shielding herself behind the initial miller claim if she is mafia

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

I understand your thought process. We should probably give them a chance though. At least, I would feel bad voting them out based off that one post when it could be more than one miller. Can't say I personally played with those often so the idea is neat!

Hrm, maybe I'm not seeing it for Kyouko but that could just be the way I play. I'll sit here and let people do their thing though the threadstate seems healthy so I'm not gonna get in yalls way.

Kyouko, Kawaii, and CSF have the most points I should add. So if anyone has suspicions on those slots I'd love to talk them over with you.

So since it's apparent what the situation is, why post at all? 640 feels like a long post about... nothing.

I understand where your post is coming fromI read it as someone just wanting to state the obvious. However, I personally don't really know where to point the smoking gun because I can see it as either side. I've given Dave BOTD because most people push me because of how I play on here, do you think the shade posts are in bad faith?

I can now say Kyouko feels like the same game we were in without being smited phew.

I am so lost over why people want to vote kyouko truthfully, can you spell it out to me like I'm five? Thank you.

Actually I think key is scum and trying to soft protect a town based on that

Yeah that's currently where my read is at too

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Dunn didn't claim, he said "what if"

relax

And I'm asking him why he would claim it here. We're both speaking in hypotheticals

You relax

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Dunn didn't claim, he said "what if"

relax

Also what is this post? He's clearly softing the claim or why else would he bring it up?

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I'm torn between trusting kyouko and voting Gamma and trusting Gamma and voting Keyleth

Someone help

I wouldn't trust gamma so far. I can see key being scum. But I also see some posts that I can see being town so I'm kind of split on that. Anyone else you scumread?

Key, Dunn, still not feeling great about kyouko but that has lessened a little. I could compromise on Cele

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@Hu Tao thoughts on Dunn's BG claim?

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So we leave both the BG and Doc alive for now and compromise on Cele? Or we go kyouko. I don't think enough people want Key or else I would push for that

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VOTE: Celebloki

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I don't think Celeboki is a good vote.

Thoughts on Key?

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I don't think Celeboki is a good vote.

You think voting out potential doctor is better?

+1

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Weird take Dunn

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I don't think Celeboki is a good vote.

Thoughts on Key?

Light townread. Nothing I am confident in.

Thats not really helpful.

I gave you my opinion.

And i disagree with it. Unfortunately time is ticking and this bickering is only eating at the remaining time.

Relax. We have over 24 hours. There's still time to figure this out

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I don't think Celeboki is a good vote.

Thoughts on Key?

Light townread. Nothing I am confident in.

Thats not really helpful.

I gave you my opinion.

Why do you townread Cele? Can you go into detail?

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VOTE: Key

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Gob feels town

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@dave
@kyouko

Join us on Key

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Gob would you mind telling Kyouoko how i always respond to people who refuse to give reasons?

I have a different meta approach to use on Gamma but can't do it mobile. Maybe later.

Keyleth would be acceptable. I still think Hu Tao is scum but willing to see if she resolves.

Let's go Dave

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Gob feels town

Mmmmm
You feel way off-base recently

Do you disagree with the read?

What is the benefit of scum!me saying this when I could just let the gob wagon happen? Unless you think I'm scum with gob?

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I feel worse about Gamma the more she posts and I think she makes sense as a Key partner

Kyouko I feel pretty good about atm

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I would be fine with a Key or Gamma wagon

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This is not a great situation to be in when I am having a borderline mental breakdown from work already

This makes me even more confident that Gamma/Key is a pair. No one is even voting for Gamma iirc yet she thinks this is a bad situation?

(Outside of game talk I do hope you feel better gamma. Maybe take a step away from the game if you need to <3)

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This is not a great situation to be in when I am having a borderline mental breakdown from work already

This makes me even more confident that Gamma/Key is a pair. No one is even voting for Gamma iirc yet she thinks this is a bad situation?

(Outside of game talk I do hope you feel better gamma. Maybe take a step away from the game if you need to <3)

this is actually a towntell of mine
Normally town!me gets incredibly flustered under medium pressure. Light pressure I can play past and heavy pressure I can analyze, but medium pressure just ratchets up my anxiety. As scum, I can cope better since I at least act as a distraction of sorts.

I will take that into consideration

Would you mind voting for Key?

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In the event that I am flipped, Kawaii, Kyouko, Gamma. Are my top townreads. A bit lower than that being dave, elements, and guillotina.

Townie is my claim by the way.

Can you explain these reads?

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Kyouko: I've already touched on this one but like, that wall doesn't come from a wolf, right? Especially when you get wagoned right after for it almost to you going over. I don't have much like, big logic and fancy posts for this read but I'm just yeah. I'd be a bit shocked but it could just be me not understanding how certain people go about things.

Kyouko was your biggest townread before the wall. What was the thought process behind the read then?

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Sort of? I try to find people who I confidently townread and then there's this pool of people I feel fine voting.

I just noticed you haven't voted at all this game. Is there a pool of people you would be fine voting for today?

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I’m mainly asking for a temporary reprieve
Let me play without the sword of workplace stress hanging over my head, and see what happens then. That’s not really AtE imo, that’s trying to work past a bad impression.

No one is making you play at work Gamma. I'm not sure why you feel like you need to if you're not feeling it

I feel like scum is more likely to be glued to their phone trying to argue with a meta case on them when there's no votes or much pressure at all to do so

And yeah I like Key's responses enough to try and wagon elsewhere, though I am a bit paranoid that she could be really convincing at faking the whole "townie on their deathbed" thing

VOTE: Gamma

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Anyone want to just flash wagon Andres?

Do you have a case or is it just "fade inactive player"

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Can we just wagon Dunn and call it good?

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VOTE: Dunnstral

A miller that's moderately scummy who crumbed someone else's bodyguard claim

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VOTE: Dunnstral

A miller that's moderately scummy who crumbed someone else's bodyguard claim

Worst vote of the game

If you think this vote is worse than Dunn's vote on you then you're tripping

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Anyone want to just flash wagon Andres?

Also don't even try to come at me when you threw this god awful idea out into the world

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VOTE: Keyleth

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leaning Gamma currently. I have the same feeling, that Key might flip town, from her most recent posting. Also remembering that when I asked gob to confirm his predecessor's non-existent miller claim, Keyleth expressed confusion. I think if she's informed she sees what I'm doing. At the same time I feel like earlier there were conflicting statements about not using logic/analysis followed by an analytical post. When called out Keyleth thereafter fell back to her "normal" posting. I will come back to Keyleth if we need to but I'd probably rather lim a lurker than Keyleth

I'm getting the same feeling about Gamma tbh. Her recent posting feels like deflated town

A Key vote doesn't feel great but I'm not sure where else to go

Guillotina has been oddly quiet during all of these despite being super active to start the game

I

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I don't think Elements is solving but I don't think we get much info out of an Elements flip*

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On second look it doesn't look like Guillotina has been that quiet. He had a lot of posts yesterday. I guess none of them felt really impactful to me

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VOTE: Celebloki

I think we consolidate here

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If you want to know why people scumread her then you can check who's voting for her and look through their ISO's. I looked through yours and saw a lot of subtle defending of her slot but no real read other than she feels like she did in a previous game you played, which is pretty weak

I'm not saying it like I haven't read people's posts, I have read people's posts and that's why I'm so confused on why people are wolfreading them because I do not see a lot of reasoning to begin wit

h. That's the problem. Not even something like gut pings. It just seems like people are following and that's fine if it is but can we like, say that's what it is!

I feel like I've pretty actively said I'm townreading the slot more than others due to my point system and while it may seem like a weak reason I just feel like they're town and the way people have played around the slot doesn't really make me change that so I'm sitting here asking for people to help me see it ya know?

This is like the worst thing you could have said around me, seems that you just told on yourself
VOTE: Kyouko
I think people are right about Kyouko and Key being scum together

This pinged me so hard and I just realized why, I've seen this before and I was slow to identify it then because I was tunneled during that game. I've caught scum!Gamma for this exact post before

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Have I actually caught 2 scum? That would be amazing. But it’s so freaking obvious that scum was trying to set us up that either Kyuku is the worst scumhunter in mafia history or he actually is scum. Rn, I’m leaning to yes.

You know what, this got me thinking and I have 0 of the good vibes I got from kyouko in mini 2213 rn
VOTE: ssbm_kyouko
I feel like a bastard for this but it’s making enough sense and S&M has earned my trust

Can you explain how these are similar?

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VOTE: Gamma

Not confident about this but we need to start consolidating

Down for this or Celebloki

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VOTE: Celebloki

I think we consolidate here

You actually might be scum here

Nope, I'm town

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Town: you, BQ, Dunn
Scum: Black, Timmer, Celeb

Can you go into these more

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3d20 (the first iteration of it) I didn't find the righteousness

What you mean righteousness? Like, she gets aggressive and obstinately entitled as town?

This is like the 3rd or 4th question you've asked in the past day or so that is already answered in my ISO, I feel like at this point you are asking them to appear involved

No, i just want it easy instead of having to look in your ISO, not everyone has the time you appear to have for this game.
So i insist.

???

You have close to 200 posts

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Black: feels like she’s trying to skate by this day phase, there’s some ping-ponging I see in her opinions

Meh. My reads are pretty fluid D1, but I feel like I'm doing my best

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3d20 (the first iteration of it) I didn't find the righteousness

What you mean righteousness? Like, she gets aggressive and obstinately entitled as town?

This is like the 3rd or 4th question you've asked in the past day or so that is already answered in my ISO, I feel like at this point you are asking them to appear involved

No, i just want it easy instead of having to look in your ISO, not everyone has the time you appear to have for this game.
So i insist.

???

You have close to 200 posts

And?

You clearly have a lot of time to play the game

Your vote on kyouko is horrible

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I come from MU, i post more than that amount in 48 hours, when im busy and i wanna play mafia i come here.

This only strengthens my point. You have plenty of time for Mafia, you just don't like putting in effort. You want other people to do the work for you. The shade here doesn't feel good from you

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Your vote on kyouko is horrible

No, kyouko pushing Hu Tao after doc claim was horrible. Kyouko pushing Gamma is horrible. Imo they are going for whom they feel most convenient.

Those things can be true as well as Guillotina voting based on being offended

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Is there any appetite for a Guillotina wagon?

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You have plenty of time for Mafia, you just don't like putting in effort.

Bad comment. People play mafia bcz its fun, but hey, if they wish to chill a bit, let them. I had a lazy Sunday when i watched movies and i enjoyed the relax. Its good to step back for few hours and enjoy something different.

I'm not stopping Guillotina from playing how he wants to play. I was just pointing out that the shade on kyouko felt bad when it's pretty clear he has time to post but doesn't want to devote some of that time to look at ISOs and figure things out for himself

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Is there any appetite for a Guillotina wagon?

I feel like most of my problems with Guillo are playstyle-related, so no.

Eh. Maybe that's my issue too

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I totally forgot Cele softed


Now I see why Hu Tao wrote 1501

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Yeah we definitely don't fade Cele today

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Fucking hell
I’m a gunsmith, stop this shit

VOTE: Hu Tao
A part of why I didn’t care for the claim was because of my role so now that it’s out there, I feel like we should go back there

Why Hu Tao over Timmer, me, or Cele?

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In Mafia hands, the Doctor role has an additional, unrelated effect: a Mafia Doctor kills without the use of a gun, and thus a Gunsmith will not see a gun when investigating a Mafia Doctor. (This effect does not occur if a Mafia member gains access to a Doctor action via some other means, e.g. a Jack of All Trades role.)

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Doctor

VOTE: Hu Tao

This isn't a bad observation

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Well we should definitely fade between Hu Tao and Gamma I think. No more running people up to claims. We've had what, 5 claims already?

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We can't just keep running people up to claims and then moving to someone else

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We can't just keep running people up to claims and then moving to someone else

Does this bring us back to keyleth? Or have they claimed something too, I'm losing track

Key is a VT

I'd be fine with Guillo tbh, as I'm catching up it just looks like he's bullying and not really paying attention

So you just want to keep running people up to claims and then moving on huh?

Maybe it is just kyouko here. But then we would have to make her claim

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I will point back to Kawaiikame's vote on Keyleth looking like a mafia vote.

Kawaii's ISO is just asking questions but I'm pretty sure he does that as town

Let me look at the last game we played together real quick

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Ehhh. Kawaii asks questions in Death Note but there's a lot more game related thoughts that aren't questions in that ISO. I'm not seeing much of that here. It sorta feels like Kawaii is just asking questions to ask them, which comes across as scum trying to look town

I know I said I don't want to keep running people up but I think I would be ok voting here

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I can do a VC based on Kyouko's last one. One sec

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unofficial vc

Hu Tao

(3): Broccoli Quest 2, Gamma, kyouko

Gamma Emerald

(3): Hu Tao, Black, Guillotina

KawaiiKame

(2): Andresvmb, Dunnstral

ssbm_Kyouko

(2): gob, Naerys

Keyleth

(2): davesaz, KawaiiKame

Celebloki

(1): Elements

Not Voting

: Random Nurse, Keyleth, Celebloki, TimmerRC

With 17 alive it takes 9 to eject a player from the Game.

Deadline is (expired on 2023-12-07 23:00:00).

Why are there so many people not voting

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VOTE: Kawaii

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We don't need gob's vote, let him sulk

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Kawaii lurking through all of this and showing up when he's at e-1 doesn't feel great

I think we can push this through but let's let him give some last minute reads and such

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I'm vt, don't hammer me yet

Pinging you. You don't have much time to give final reads, so make it quick

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I believe Timmer here

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I don't think the townslip clears him but I'm inclined to believe he's town

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Just to make it clear, im not sulking. I am replacing out. In too many games + stuff at work came up

See you around boo

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Gob, replacing

Cat Scratch Fever

, replacing

MerelBlackbird

Seems suspicious to me that this slot has replaced so many times.

Yeah my gut tells me it's just a town slot. Who in their right mind would replace out of a scum slot

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Bloop

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Honestly Jingle should just edit my comment and put a VC there

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ggwp!