Open 897 - Cop 17er [DAY 6]

[Aristeia]

VOTE: Naerys

My night one innocent is Meuh

[Aristeia]

I am unconvinced

[Aristeia]

how can u not trust me.

I thought we were friends

you're just not a very convincing villain

[Aristeia]

I am trusting that they and everyone will think im joking until I get elimmed and then i get to laugh

what if you don't get limmed

[Aristeia]

I am trusting that they and everyone will think im joking until I get elimmed and then i get to laugh

what if you don't get limmed

Then my fun would be ruined. Are you here to ruin my fun Ari?

i will miss you if you get limmed

[Aristeia]

gamma feels p townie

i think naerys+rce both feel scummy

i havent reaally thought very much about those reads

[Aristeia]

I am ready to be carried by Black

I dont even know if she's town but she does have that Queen energy down

[Aristeia]

gamma feels p townie

i think naerys+rce both feel scummy

i havent reaally thought very much about those reads

Can I get a new n0?

take it up with the mod lol

[Aristeia]

gamma feels p townie

i think naerys+rce both feel scummy

i havent reaally thought very much about those reads

I am ready to be carried by Black

I dont even know if she's town but she does have that Queen energy down

I like you. Would you consider joining the Queen's Court?

Also sheep RCE with me?

VOTE: RCEnigma

this is a kind offer but I might have changed my mind on RCE because he made me laugh

[Aristeia]

I am easily influenced by people who make me laugh I should probably take this game more seriously

[Aristeia]

I guess I can vote for yesiree

[Aristeia]

Cool, lets find the scum

have you tried looking in the scum pt

[Aristeia]

its ok I already got my innocent result from RCE

[Aristeia]

[Aristeia]

I'm down for FB and Ari scum pair.

i wish! this would be so much fun

[Aristeia]

I think firebringer is very townie but I admit I have absolutely no ability to catch him when he's mafia because his charisma is very high.

I would defend him but I know he enjoys the attention and the votes so I will not do that

[Aristeia]

you are charming and handsome

[Aristeia]

I think firebringer is very townie

but for real. why

vibes

[Aristeia]

you just feel like you're having a lot of fun

tbh this is like the least reliable way to read someone because the last time I read sakura this way she was mafia

[Aristeia]

im like pretty unlikely to put the effort into this game to actually do some hardcore solving but gth i think naerys hu tao and black feel kinda scummy

[Aristeia]

sakura hates playing scum but she has learned how to enjoy it so now she is dangerous.

but yeah thats a terrible way to read me. I enjoy the game more as scum

yea you do but I think you aren't that loose when you're actually scum

you feel like you're in a townie flow state

[Aristeia]

i am pretty sure black is town and willing to put her in w/e name i give to my town core group whenever i come up with a name for it.

why is naerys or hu tao scummy for u even if u want to give a sentence or somethin

naerys feels like she's selfconscious and focussed on how she appears in the game

hu tao rule of 3 from naerys post and her content feels ? she mentions reading a few times but has no content on what she's read

black because she's hu tao's inno result and also she feels so cool and collected when she gets pushed here, some of her comments feel p out of place with her progressions.

[Aristeia]

idk if ur doing a really good job of telling me a good version of what u think i will think is a good reason to call me townie or u really believe it. If its fake its pretty good ngl

its not a great reason to call someone town its a p bad reason for a read tbh but I'm unlikely to actually commit more effort to this game because I want to be more casual and less tryhardy to enjoy the game more. I don't want people to get mad at me for being too suffocating.

[Aristeia]

i might even throw meuh in as a 4th scumread but that feels LAZY and I can't read her for shit lol

[Aristeia]

what is my record for reading black? Is it 2/3 or 2/4 or what is it even at this point. I think Black progressions make sense for her? But she is just feeling like a different player and i guess thats just the mood/feeling in the game/day for her.

well when I say progression I mean like

293

this is directly at me and asking me to join her roleplay group and vote for RCE - which is kind of a way to defend Naerys because she's asking me to move from one suspect to another. I turned her down because I liked RCE's response in 289 because it felt like a very spontaneous and fun response to make in the moment - she then responds in 301 which is ?

like does she still think RCE is mafia at that point? does she like my read progression on RCE? if she does why's she still voting for him?

then she votes me at 735 and clarifies in 747 that she thinks I was pocketing her? which doesn't really make sense to me because like I turned her down in our brief interaction so I'm not sure how I was pocketing her.

[Aristeia]

I understand I didn't really bother to read into all her interactions with every player because there's a lot there and I have limited attention span, I just didn't really understand the way she was interacting with me.

[Aristeia]

ari if ur still here whats ur opinon of ssbm_Kyouko

probly nulltown

[Aristeia]

on a reread I actually quite like kyouko

[Aristeia]

I am ready to be carried by Black

I dont even know if she's town but she does have that Queen energy down

I guess it was this

ok but if I'm mafia and posting that to pocket her and she offers me to join her court and vote a suspect of mine wouldnt it make sense for me to uh join her court and help her if that was my goal?

[Aristeia]

I disagree lets fight

well we disagree about black so ofc we will also disagree about kyouko

[Aristeia]

well im scumsiding so obviously we can't work together ari

opposition does produce the most beautiful dancing

[Aristeia]

I am ready to be carried by Black

I dont even know if she's town but she does have that Queen energy down

I guess it was this

ok but if I'm mafia and posting that to pocket her and she offers me to join her court and vote a suspect of mine wouldnt it make sense for me to uh join her court and help her if that was my goal?

im just taking the most liberal view of what Black could possibly see as buddying. I think that post COULD look like a buddy post early game, the fact u didn't follow it up with kissing her butt and following her along with court wouldn't erase the fact Black could see that post and be like "was ari trying to buddy me here?" and then pressure u.

I also think the timing makes sense with ur general lack of engagement for Black to go back to look at u and want to pressure u to see if she can get a better read while pretending like its stronger than it is. Which I think she is sort of doing with myself tbh

I'm pretty cooperative I don't think anyone needs to pressure me if they want my opinions lol

[Aristeia]

do u think we convinced black that we aren't a team yet.

i think you are doing really well dear they will never know

[Aristeia]

woops wrong thread

its ok we dont need to post in the scum pt anyways

[Aristeia]

awww im melting

[Aristeia]

naerys feels like she's selfconscious and focussed on how she appears in the game

hu tao rule of 3 from naerys post and her content feels ? she mentions reading a few times but has no content on what she's read

Naerys defensiveness only lasted until page 5 so that feels like a stale read

Hu Tao's explicitly said they're not reading the first 18 pages and that they've only read one page so idk where you're getting that from

I don't think Naerys has really tried to do anything

Hu Tao's mentioned reading but not actually stated what her thoughts on what she's read is.

[Aristeia]

if you think my Naerys read is stale, what do you think Naerys has done that's townie?

[Aristeia]

I don't think Naerys has really tried to do anything

Is that scum indicative for her? Only town game we played with her she was a viable wagon all game so it's hard to meta her here off of that

I've never played with her before

[Aristeia]

"ari we should live post here. you can townread me, we can disagree on stuff like our black reads, maybe even make a joke about our pt. i think we'll both come out of it looking better"

Am I close?

its like you can see into my soul

[Aristeia]

gross im not linking them all.

Do you have a read on her?

Town but I wouldn't put her in my town core yet because I do think she could be buttering me up with all her niceties like she has DONE TO ME IN THE PAST

[Aristeia]

i think black is exaggerating her confidence to get reactions

she's moved her vote like 20 times and the game is barely 2 days old so im not sure how you're getting confidence -> reaction

[Aristeia]

i think black is exaggerating her confidence to get reactions

she's moved her vote like 20 times and the game is barely 2 days old so im not sure how you're getting confidence -> reaction

her doubling down on us being a team seems like kayfabe to get a reaction tbh

i actually dont really believe she believes we're actually a team

[Aristeia]

ok why

[Aristeia]

i think the simpler explanation is she's mafia who's making things up rather than she's townie with a 900iq 6d chess trap trying to ???

[Aristeia]

well if you're town and you're townreading her for what she's doing then the value for scum!her would be to get town!you to scumread her.

[Aristeia]

i think the simpler explanation is she's mafia who's making things up rather than she's townie with a 900iq 6d chess trap trying to ???

Why aren't you voting for me?

I enjoy your presence and you are fun to play with, I don't have like the highest confidence that I'm right on you being mafia as compared to other slots in the game.

Also Naerys is downhill on the chain of causality from you - like I'm scumreading you initially for asking me to vote RCE with you while ignoring Naerys and I interpreted that as a passive defense of Naerys - so if you're mafia and I'm right about what you were doing it would mean that Naerys is mafia with you.

I could also be wrong on you and right on Naerys so there are worlds where its better for me to be voting her rather than you.

[Aristeia]

I also feel residual guilt from shooting you in HK where I misread you as mafia when you weren't

I give people I misread in the past a lot more latitude.

[Aristeia]

I did tell you to stop such a fence sitter pregame sigh

[Aristeia]

Also Naerys is downhill on the chain of causality from you - like I'm scumreading you initially for asking me to vote RCE with you while ignoring Naerys and I interpreted that as a passive defense of Naerys - so if you're mafia and I'm right about what you were doing it would mean that Naerys is mafia with you

I've played with Naerys a couple times in the last month. Nothing she was doing seemed out of the ordinary to me. If you thought I was scum that was passively defending her then why didn't you ask me about her directly to get a better read on the situation?

I like letting people do things of their own volition and seeing what they do with their time. I feel like prodding people to do things is not as good for figuring out alignments

[Aristeia]

you understand I can only vote one bad guy at a time right?

[Aristeia]

If the choice is lim ari/cop fb or lim fb/cop ari why wouldn't you wanna lim fb? actually nvm fb is being useful so we answered our own question

i guess the implication here is that I'm useless.

which is kind of insulting.

stick with saying I'm mafia, at least then you won't hurt my feelings.

[Aristeia]

VOTE: python

[Aristeia]

I am honestly low iq

same

VOTE: ari

Can you elaborate on your read on her?

We're not bothering to sort people we don't know, easier to just sort the easy ones and sheep accordingly

this doesn't seem like a good way to actually get better at reading people

If we ever decide to become a competitive mafia player we'll keep that in mind

this response is disgusting regardless of your alignment and you should be eliminated immediately

[Aristeia]

which might just mean they are scum but i keep second guessing myself

my pronouns are she and her

[Aristeia]

If we ever decide to become a competitive mafia player we'll keep that in mind

this response is disgusting regardless of your alignment and you should be eliminated immediately

Good to see you're not actually interested in sorting us

I am simply returning the favor

[Aristeia]

there's two worlds that could exist:

(1) You're mafia, you're doing some 0 effort shitpush on me. ok cool I'm voting mafia.

(2) You're town, you don't care about my alignment or sorting me, you're voting me because someone told you to, you don't care about this game, when someone tells you to try to sort instead of playing like you don't care your response is "lol this isnt professional mafia"

and in world (2) your attitude pisses me off to a degree that I can't even put into words.

your lackadaiscal I dont give a fuck about ill just do whatever teehee this isnt for money is just such an annoying attitude that I hate it to the root of my being.

so yes I would be fine yeeting you in world (2) because frankly you deserve it.

[Aristeia]

and like if we're in world 2 i dont really care tbh about making this town win because you'll just lose with me and thats fine

and if we're in world 1 and this town actually helps you lim me then lol this town deserves what they get too

[Aristeia]

We'll do that when people start forming opinions based on this game that we can then form opinions on

Python pretending I don't have opinions this game is just utterly ridiculous

[Aristeia]

Whats your main opinion? If you only had 1 to say? it could even be about yourself since you are like main wagon

my opinion is that this wagon on me is terrible but if it goes through at least I won't have to play this game so that's p nice

[Aristeia]

I think I've made it pretty clear why I'm negative and if you can't find the time to read what I've posted I don't see the point in explaining to you again

[Aristeia]

its amazing that I do not agree with a single read of yours

you'd think we'd have one in common just by pure chance

[Aristeia]

ssbm_Kyouko - idk - lean town
TheHoldSteady - seems good - dunno
Bellaphant - idk - lean town
Gamma Emerald - idk - town
DragonEater70 - idk - lean town
Aristeia - i got my eye on em
Black - seems good - lean scum
Firebringer - i got my eye on em - town
yessiree - seems good - scum lean
Naerys - idk - scum lean
Meuh - seems good - dunno
Hu Tao - i got my eye on em - scum lean
RCEnigma - idk - townlean
furtiveglance - really good - dunno
Theta Alpine - seems good - dunno
usesPython - seems good - i dont know if i scumread this person or I just dislike them

here i wrote my thoughts on the right

[Aristeia]

idk everyone, i am starting to come around to ari scum because she didn't tell me how she is doing

I am having a great day thanks for asking

[Aristeia]

Why are you TRing Gamma? Did Gamma tell?

I think the way she got angry earlier in 161 is a towntell for her. I don't recall her snapping at people when she's mafia she tends to be more diplomatic.

[Aristeia]

if it works it works

[Aristeia]

its on a person by person basis

[Aristeia]

i usually do not townread people off ate - but if theres meta thats persuasive i will use it on a case by case basis

[Aristeia]

You had like one non-meta read which was on Naerys which we talked about, rest of them were again meta reads but go off

this isnt even true

[Aristeia]

Why is bella a town lean

i liked 950

the summary into one specific read is nice and concise and skimming yesirree's iso i can see why she feels that way

[Aristeia]

VOTE: meuh

[Aristeia]

im a terrible cop

[Aristeia]

VOTE: yes

[Aristeia]

I'm putting in some legwork to finalize my solve and I'm very close, I just need some additional data

Thoughts I had while working on the solve:
RCE and Ari have exact opposite stances on me. Wacky!

@Theta

I'm concerned you're showing trepidation at kyouko-slot being pushed while the replacement was being waited on when I

know

you saw what happened with the penguin-pisskop slot in BTXVII.

@Ari
@RCE

I want you two to address and try to reconcile this. I just mentioned the thorHead tell and it reminded me this is unresolved, I have a feeling this could be lucrative (though I'll be real it's kinda a selfish thought)

i dont understand what you want me to do

[Aristeia]

not really

I don't really consider my read on you to be unassailable or whatever, you kind of feel town, I wouldn't be like super shocked if I was just wrong.

[Aristeia]

I'm not the kind of person who feels the need to convince everyone my reads are definitely right. I find them often to be wrong. I just state what my opinion is and hope for the best.

[Aristeia]

I'm only scumsiding because Firebringer is the nice to me

[Aristeia]

thats what he says but imagine my infinite disappointment if he was actually town all along

[Aristeia]

Gamma is trippin, she needs to stop scumsiding if town

I believe yess posted something exactly like this in Cook’s Kitchen Sink

I appreciate you

[Aristeia]

thats what he says but imagine my infinite disappointment if he was actually town all along

i promise you regardless what alisae says, i am scum

I guess i'm just scumsiding then shrug

[Aristeia]

VOTE: titus

[Aristeia]

i think Titus is at E-2.
Ngl not feeling that great about this right now and don't really want to be responsible for another Titus mislim if im wrong.

heavy is the head that wears the crown

[Aristeia]

I’m officially feeling down

have you tried flapping your arms very hard

[Aristeia]

this is dragon eater's supervillain arc

[Aristeia]

[Aristeia]

[Aristeia]

Ari explain thse last 3 posts???

I'm messing with you because it's funny

[Aristeia]

wow look at all these words who tricked firebringer into efforting this game

[Aristeia]

Ari explain thse last 3 posts???

I'm messing with you because it's funny

You're evil

[Aristeia]

Meta this, meta that, have you ever meta girl?

the royal dragon has been put into the royal bbq grill by the queen

[Aristeia]

dragoneater running away from firebringer because he can't handle the heat

[Aristeia]

I believe in you completely

[Aristeia]

this song is fire

[Aristeia]

I got excited to have a whole page to read, and then it was one post from Firebringer surrounded by a bunch of chatter.

its ok there's enough content in there for us to shitpost for another ten pages and it'll still average out

[Aristeia]

I'm not even coasting I've given more reads than dave has

[Aristeia]

i dont even get what he defines as "free pass"

[Aristeia]

it was so serious I didnt even recognize you

[Aristeia]

It just feels like a lot of work to talk over every read in a 70 page large game when like I'm not sure anyone really cares what we think

my energy is just not infinite and I'm quite lazy after I get tilted

[Aristeia]

is there any read you are super interested in talking over?

[Aristeia]

I don't like how Aristeia gets a free pass. Similar to the free pass that Hu Tao gets.

Scum case her then

what do you think of dragoneater telling davey to scumcase me and then when I point out lol davey doesnt even have as much content as me deciding to vote for davey.

[Aristeia]

I don't like how Aristeia gets a free pass. Similar to the free pass that Hu Tao gets.

Scum case her then

what do you think of dragoneater telling davey to scumcase me and then when I point out lol davey doesnt even have as much content as me deciding to vote for davey.

I think dragon is scum

[Aristeia]

[Aristeia]

I am the worst cop

[Aristeia]

it's because you're not in his scum PT

[Aristeia]

Ari are you actually scum

only if you are

[Aristeia]

huh

i asked you which read you wanted to talk about

[Aristeia]

I asked for feedback on a read u think im wrong on

thats not specific at all >.>

[Aristeia]

your reads look fine to me

i guess technically what you call weak town i call null but there's nothing glaring that I would say oh i think you're definitely wrong about this person or whatever

[Aristeia]

so its omgus ?

[Aristeia]

If you wanna call it omgus, sure

But that does ignore the nuance of "shading without a case = scummy".

i shade plenty of people without a case

you seem to only care when its you

so the essence of it is omgus

[Aristeia]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Scum took the bait

VOTE: Titus

I'm conflicted. Hu Tao not giving reads is scummy but I'm really wanting wagons.

This is scum.

[Aristeia]

if python is mafia then they are trying to vote split off titus so you are just playing into their hands

[Aristeia]

there's very little incentive for python mafia to do this line of play if titus is town

[Aristeia]

can you stop spamming

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: Firebringer Read

Here are some thoughts for all of you to process:

I have voted out Titus in like my last 2-3 games with her.
Recent one I was scum.
She even referenced this early as she joined and that she wouldn't let me get away with mislimming her again.

Yet, she has done zero sorting me. Even though been voting her all day. Made posts about her being scum. Etc.

So you want to tell me she is both town, and does zero sorting me even though I recently mislimmed her when she was town and i was scum?
Doesn't care what alignment I am?

Ignores my constant pushing.
Comes back and does random pushes on Hua Tao or w/e is latest posts going on to comment on.

I feel like I should be a big elephant in the room for Titus to sort and solve, but 0 effort. Even though I don't think I have moved my vote at all from her since she has joined this game.

Put yourself in her shoes for one minute and pretend I just mislimmed you when i was scum. We are in this game and I am calling you to be elimmed, I make posts about you. Do you comment on anything I say? do you have a stance on me?

What do you do?

Tell me.

There this is best case I am going to make on Titus right now.

this is pretty compelling

[Aristeia]

i thought the point of mass hypoing d1 was to just random.org it because if you use your own judgement it can give the mafia information

[Aristeia]

its ok if the mafia shoot the cop I'll just blame you seer hunter extraordinaire

[Aristeia]

its ok everyone on the counterwagon is probably town because its p dumb to counterwagon something inevitable

[Aristeia]

i thought the point of mass hypoing d1 was to just random.org it because if you use your own judgement it can give the mafia information

Randoming has a25% chance to hit mafia and reveal yourself as not the cop
Going by judgement lets you mitigate that, generally town can ID at least one town well enough to claim an inno on them

if mafia guess you made it up by read rather than random isnt that even worse odds lol

[Aristeia]

Q: How do I go about this strategy as town?
A: On D1, find someone you have a good villager read and declare them as your N1 Inno. Pretend that person is town for the rest of the game, at least until the real cop is discovered. If you change your read, then you tell wolves you're not a real cop.

ngl I did not read up to this line

[Aristeia]

you can't read meuh only i can read meuh

[Aristeia]

yesiree and ari are keeping me sane which probably means both are scum. But god damn it, I want to keep my sanity

is your sanity in the room with us right now

[Aristeia]

idk ur the one holding onto it. Where did u put it?

I'll never give it back

[Aristeia]

i am bussing dragon eater tomorrow

[Aristeia]

never

[Aristeia]

He's scum for TMI'ing a flip and setting up a chain miselim

how do you know titus is a mislim

[Aristeia]

He's scum for TMI'ing a flip and setting up a chain miselim

how do you know titus is a mislim

I don't know

I am guessing based on Fire's posts

that does not sound like what you're saying at all rofl

[Aristeia]

mb we should lim dragon instead if hes tmi-ing that titus is town and she's still alive

[Aristeia]

UNVOTE:

[Aristeia]

I'm gonna need to see a vote count

[Aristeia]

oh yea he said we're mafia together and here he is trying to reason with me good catch

VOTE: dragoneater

[Aristeia]

I don't like Ari accusing me of OMGUS and then disappearing

Can we get more votes on her?

I don't like Ari accusing me of OMGUS and then disappearing

Correction: I don't like Ari trying to refute my read on her by boiling it down to OMGUS even though there's more nuance to it (for example, I feel like FB's SR of me makes sense from town Fire), and then disappearing.

Without even addressing the actual substance of the read (that she's shading people with no actual reasons nor any attempt to push them)

he doesnt even remember what his read of me is

fake reads

[Aristeia]

Also all of the votes are in bad faith and I find it hard to believe that 4 town vote me in bad faith and scum don't join. On the other hand I find it hard to believe that there is a 4 scum 1 town wagon on me right now.

I don't think you even know what the word "bad faith" means

for you to think I'm voting you in bad faith, you would have to believe that in the world where I am town, I am voting you despite believing you to be town

which is like lol what?

[Aristeia]

And the reason that I am saying the votes are in bad faith is that, quite ironically (ironically since FB shaded me earlier for "fake sorting" Ari), neither you nor Ari have made a single attempt to sort me this game (unless I missed something, this question by you which I am replying to right now is the first question either of you have asked me about my reads/thoughts/etc)

This is not even true.

2617 - Firebringer asking you about your read on me [literally asking you about your thoughts]
2618 - you claiming you townread me so there's no inconsistency
2619 - Firebringer showing you that you were actually scumreading me/him in a later post and ASKING you how your mind changed
2623 - you explaining your thoughts to him again and then later admitting you got your own read wrong

[Aristeia]

also why are you voting Firebringer instead of titus when his read process on you is pretty clear and you think she doesnt even have a read on you and is just doing this for survivalism

[Aristeia]

if titus is alive can yall switch to dragoneater? I feel like this last page should be evidence enough for yall

If DE got copped as town would you still think Titus is scum here?

???

what correlation does DE's alignment have with Titus

well one of the reasons firebringer is scumreading DE is because he thinks DE tmi'd titus as town so if titus is mafia that tmi is not true

[Aristeia]

Python are you just willing to stake your life 100% that DE is just town here

[Aristeia]

VOTE: Titus e-2 ? I think

[Aristeia]

And the reason that I am saying the votes are in bad faith is that, quite ironically (ironically since FB shaded me earlier for "fake sorting" Ari), neither you nor Ari have made a single attempt to sort me this game (unless I missed something, this question by you which I am replying to right now is the first question either of you have asked me about my reads/thoughts/etc)

This is not even true.

2617 - Firebringer asking you about your read on me [literally asking you about your thoughts]
2618 - you claiming you townread me so there's no inconsistency
2619 - Firebringer showing you that you were actually scumreading me/him in a later post and ASKING you how your mind changed
2623 - you explaining your thoughts to him again and then later admitting you got your own read wrong

All of this is regarding Fire

I was saying you and yess weren't sorting me

How is this even related

Firebringer is an extension of my divine will

[Aristeia]

[Aristeia]

I think titus is already dead

[Aristeia]

nerds

[Aristeia]

I got some useful info from voting you

[Aristeia]

I got some useful info from voting you

Would you please share with the class?

if you're town and titus is mafia then the mafia who are bussing her are too cowardly to try to push you over when the oppurtunity arose

[Aristeia]

i guess you could just be mafia with titus and the rest of the team stayed on titus because they think yeeting her will get them towncred whereas trying to swing last minute to you would not work

if you and titus are both mafia you're obviously way more motivated than she is to play the game so her "plan" was to do some boring vote on you and then ghost the game to give you some towncred

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i'm not that good at catching mafia

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I think you are forgetting scum is manipulative by default. I can see a scenario when defending Dragon is more useful to them than bussing a partner. Calling them cowards? Idk, thats kinda bold statement.

thats true

they could've been asleep for all i know I'm just guessing

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but it is fun to make fun of the scum team and see who gets mad

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its ok we just play mountainous

light work

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i claim pgo

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if firebringer gets nightkilled it was the dragon that ate him.

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Firebringer, yessiree and i am still torn about Hu Tao
After titus flip i will neef to recheck some stuff

why firebringer

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have a good rest

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feel like you're tmiing town titus flip becuz i cant see how you sr firebringer unless you know titus flips town since he pushed her harder than anyone

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do u think firebringer scum ever pushes titus scum this hard

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firebringer has been pushing the slot since it was named kyouko

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yess, naerys, RCE, Theta, FB
we should vote names in this pool exclusively for a bit imo

i dont think FB is ever mafia tbh

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VOTE: rce

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tbh me and fb can't be mafia because we thought dragoneater was mafia hehe

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gamma feels p townie

i think naerys+rce both feel scummy

i havent reaally thought very much about those reads

Can I get a new n0?

tbh i didnt push rce d1 cuz i thought this was like a subtle cop crumb/wink to me but now that i know he's not a cop its p likely he's mafia since he didnt get shot etc

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tbh me and fb can't be mafia because we thought dragoneater was mafia hehe

It was all part of our plan

you do make the best plans dear

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um what


>.>

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Merry Christmas

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VOTE: rce ok

VOTE: Ari relevant topic.

what's your state of mind for these?-

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why r you fustrated with fb and what is poor about his reasoning?

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like you're right that his logic is pretty bad but its also bad in a way that comes from town!him

and you can always just be fustrated as caught for the wrong reasons scum.

you just feel really flat/unethuiastic about this game whereas like in G&R you felt a lot more like you were interested in playing and just throwing things out there

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like the undertone of frustration I'm getting from you is that you

know

why the mafia shot dragoneater but you don't want to say it because it incriminates you and it certainly isn't what firebringer thinks

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VOTE: Ari relevant topic.

also this vote on me after some people say i might be scum feels kind of ?

like if you thought I was mafia surfing the waves as you put it, I'd expect you to ask me about voting you when I voted you or vote me when i vote you.

the way you do it now after someone else says it feels like you are just picking any port in a storm.

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who do you feel strongly on

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i dont feel that strongly - i am really good at confbiasing myself :<

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oh im not that good at reading people i havent played with before >.>

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like you're right that his logic is pretty bad but its also bad in a way that comes from town!him

and you can always just be fustrated as caught for the wrong reasons scum.

you just feel really flat/unethuiastic about this game whereas like in G&R you felt a lot more like you were interested in playing and just throwing things out there

RCE didn't play in Guns & Roses?

oh i got him mixed up with whemestar >.<

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dragoneater basically straight up communicated in their first post that they were thinking of ways for the cop to obfuscate themselves

dragondork should've just been like me with my meuh inno where i blurt it out right away and then accidentally vote meuh in the middle of the day cuz i forgot i inno'd her

he is a n00b at obfuscation

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i hope you're taking notes up in dragonheaven dragon eater

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Okay here's my reads from most likely to be correct to least likely to be correct (NOT from towniest to scummiest):

Confident:

Meuh

- N0 inno, deep in town meta, I just don't think scum Meuh posts half of what Meuh posted this game (not an attempt to insult Meuh's capabilities as scum). This is very obvious town and I will eat my hat if I'm wrong.

Gamma

- yeah.

Python

- yeah.

Probably correct:

Firebringer

- I feel like they are actually pretty sincere about their thought process in a way that scum!fire probably wouldn't be? I may be completely wrong on that but I do think I am *probably* correct.

davesaz

- I have correctly identified him as scum by tonereading him in two different past games, and he definitely doesn't have the same tone here, so it's pretty likely he's not scum.

furtive

- I was scumreading here earlier, I still feel slightly concerned since furtive is not being the same solvey energy to the table as in Love Child, but I don't actually see anything scum indicative from this slot and I do think some of his posts sound pretty innocent so I think this is probably town.

gob

- I didn't really put a lot of thought into this read.

My read here could change any moment:

yessiree

- Idk I still think he's ooenwolfing but I also saw some towny posts by him so maybe I am just tunneled.

Ari

- yeah.

RCE

- yeah IDK I guess I could maybe see his thought process as town but right now I think it's scum.

I'm really unconfident about these reads and frankly not sure why I even have them:

Naerys

- Honestly maybe I should scumlean her instead because her behavior toward my slot is kinda sus, but I feel like the posting is par for the cpurse for Naerys?

Titus

- just sheeping Meuh and Hu Tao

Black

- I don't think I really tried to sort Black this game. Which I guess means I am pocketed? I should probably try to sort her replacement. Could definitely be scum I guess.

I would be lying if I said I had a real read here:

Hu Tao - I don't think she's really done anything AI, though maybe that fact by itself makes me slightly townlean her.

Theta - kinda forgot this slot even existed

Bella - ditto. I guess of I HAD to say I would be townleaning her but I don't really think it would be justified.

mb the mafia just shot DE cuz his readlist was good and not cuz they knew he was the cop tho tbh that read on meuh screams lolinformed because I don't think meuh is in her town meta at all rofl

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having not reread the game at all and staring at firebringers list of names i think a possible team is like

rce + dave + yessiree

im going to take a nap and maybe more thoughts will come to me

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Oh yeah 291 is very anti-partnered.

kinda disagree but noted

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Aristeia, usesPython, Gamma Emerald, furtiveglance, Naerys

I'm counting 5 votes

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Black are you scum with Ari?

VOTE: Aristeia

Theta might be scum with Firebringer

One of these is probably scum. Just a feeling I get. I think it's ari.

VOTE: Ari

Could be theta though.

*loud buzzer sound*

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if the mafia team really is rce dave and yes we should stop messing around and just put them out of their misery

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Only thing holding us back from limming yessiree here is that the fake titus hammer is throwing us off

he also only has 2 votes

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VOTE: naerys

i guess i can sheep meuh for a day

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so rude

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Not convinced I should even be shept (sheeped?) at the moment (at least in terms of getting a lim, but I suppose more pressure for a wagon is good)
I'm more trying to get my footing right now!!
Ari are you town, btw?

ofc

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Ari are you having a good day?

Here you go now this question will make me solve

not really but thanks for asking

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Ari are you having a good day?

Here you go now this question will make me solve

not really but thanks for asking

Sorry to hear!

I now am able to sort you through the power of those questions, thankfully

your skills are amazing

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can we just remove meuh conftown status and give it to ari, then have her do all the leading in this game.

I am down for overthrowing Meuh in a heartbeat.

pls no i am bad at leading

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save your bullying for the scum PT it is unfair to bully me in public I will cry

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happy new year firebringer

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do you have a convincing argument for why firebringer is mafia

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Being town I know any push on me is wrong. Pushing solely on "bussers" and completely ignoring the CWs is indicative of having an agenda to exclude the people voting the CW from suspicion.

ok but why can't a town player genuinely believe that the entire scum team was bussing and not counterwagoning?

why is that indicative of an agenda'd scum player?

for example I know I am town and I think it's more likely mafia were bussing titus than counterwagoning to save her because titus had largely given up and didn't even bother to play.

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Claiming scum the entirety of D1 looks like a joke but I feel very confident it's something he could do as scum to look town, and do it with impunity.

yes and it's also something he does as town because he thinks it's fun.

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Titus (6) Hu Tao, Meuh, Firebringer, yessiree, Aristeia, DragonEater70

This being all town just seems crazy to me

well if this world is true we can simply compare this wagon to the end-day wagon and get the scum team as the leftovers

Titus (9) Meuh, Hu Tao, davesaz, usesPython, Naerys, yessiree, RCEnigma, Aristeia, DragonEater70

if we simply compare that would mean the scum team is some combination of:

davesaz, usesPython, Naerys, RCEnigma.

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Hi ari, I missed you.
Can u give me back my sanity yet

never

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ive seen so many people vaguely scumreading or null-scumreading ari and I just want to know why.

i feel like ari as town is easy to read. If she is entering my blindspot I want to know.
Most of what people have said about her not having strong thoughts/reads just don't seem objectively true at all to me.

If she pocketing me, I want to know. Someone tell me why I am wrong on her. Otherwise hwy does she keep going into the scumpile of reads. Is it level of effort? What is it?

my dress doesn't have pockets

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the one game of ari scum i remember is a dance game where she just empty posted while hiding behind her dance partner who was more focused on as being scum and was pocketing him.

I just don’t believe in what ari has been pushing and don’t feel like Ari believes it either. Idk if lacking conviction is a town or scum thing from ari so I kinda backed off it. Enough slots I townread are townreading Ari so pushing there doesn’t really net anything except alienating myself from my townreads.

which slots are you even talking about?

has anyone even townread me except firebringer

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Solid town (not shooting here today):

John Wayne/Enchant/Python/Gamma

Pretty town:

Firebringer/Doctor Drew

Leaning town:

Theta/Bella

furtiveglance tier (I ISOed him just now, could be in the lean town tier but because the feeling is based mostly on a single ISO skim he doesn't get to be in it):

furtiveglance, Meuh

Vaguely seem like they could be scum but haven't actively scumpinged me the way the tier below has (the tier I need to take a second look at the most rn if you have pertinent posts on them I may have skipped over or new thoughts on them they would be appreciated):

Ari/RCE/Yessiree

Yeah sure they can be scum:

Dave/Naerys

I think you need to put your foot down to get us somewhere because we're less than three days to deadline and the thread is kinda inactive. Be forceful meuh!queen.

my personal favorites on your list for mafia are RCE/Naerys. I don't feel like incredibly

strongly

about either read being scum but they are who I like the best.

I dunno why but I think dave might be town now, I've been back and forth on the dave read a lot and I guess his level of indignation and outrage is getting to me? I honestly can't even remember if I have a scum game of his to compare this to.

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the one game of ari scum i remember is a dance game where she just empty posted while hiding behind her dance partner who was more focused on as being scum and was pocketing him.

I just don’t believe in what ari has been pushing and don’t feel like Ari believes it either. Idk if lacking conviction is a town or scum thing from ari so I kinda backed off it. Enough slots I townread are townreading Ari so pushing there doesn’t really net anything except alienating myself from my townreads.

which slots are you even talking about?

has anyone even townread me except firebringer

*waves*

TMI townreads smh

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VOTE: RCE

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Bella do you actually believe I'm mafia?

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Bella do you actually believe I'm mafia?

I don't believe you are town. I think about other slots and I'm like 'python can see into my brain but it's weird I'm in his Poe considering we seem to think alike ', FB '???' gamma 'really town day one, bad star to day two, takes now are better but a bit sleepy', theta 'town but I want more ' and then I get to you and I can't think of a single impression you've made.

It's a bit of a shit Poe read but I don't think rce is scum, I'm not sold on nearys, I think Dave could /possibly/ be doing good things, and is furtive just too scummy to be scum?

why is rce town?

why is naerys town?

who are your three scumpicks?