Mini Normal 2317 - Postgame

[Doctor Drew]

Howdy, let me shove some food in my mouth and I will get to this shortly.

[Doctor Drew]

Doctor Drew replaces mayhemthrone.

Oh great, now I have to deal with a devil.

Alianna was the devil, I am always a perfect angel

[Doctor Drew]

@Chell and @ Drew, point to why you think I'm town.

I know nothing of anyone right now.

Why do you ask this?

[Doctor Drew]

Time for a 20 minute smoke break Doc, I guess you won't be joining me tho? XD

I actually just skimmed the last few pages, I basically like 0% of of your posts in that span, and maybe there was something in the pages before, but I don't agree with this push on elements.

Yet I feel you are just tryhard town right now though(Key I mean), like I don't get a vibe of maliciousness from you(I actually see a younger version of myself in you haha).

[Doctor Drew]

Doctor Drew replaces mayhemthrone.

Oh great, now I have to deal with a devil.

I wish Flavor didn't rep out, we could have had the Whiskey Pocket 2.0 with us.

We also have a tendency to come together as town eventually.

[Doctor Drew]

^^ That page top is for Alianna, didn't get enough in your absence in Boons game

[Doctor Drew]

Ok, you need to continue with the 1st 10 pages too right?

Get back to me then, because she effectively came into this thread and claimed Cop.

But that's a discussion for later.

Ok, seen her do something similar as well as town so....

But I suppose I do need to effort a bit more.

[Doctor Drew]

Yessir. I value your input and assistance because I find myself and the game-state in a very precarious position and I believe we need to proceed delicately; I think the solution is with Kitty, I think he knows what needs to be done?

Where exactly did elements claim cop??

I just iso'ed them.

[Doctor Drew]

I’m a rolecop with a N0 peek and I used it in whatever slot Dr. Drew is going to replace into. He’s a cult mentor.

Right here, drew.

Ohhhh, ok ya she hit the nail right on the head there.

But you just ruined your chance to be recruited.

[Doctor Drew]

#20 Fake-Claim
#212 Counter-Claim <<< this was the target

Ok, definitely not a cop claim lol.

But yes I saw that she said she was informed......and as Cele said as well......Flavor and Kitty said the same?

Pre Edit: Why does first mean it came from the scum PT?

I just saw town lose a game with this backwards logic.

Pre Edit2: I was already informed of that Bingle

[Doctor Drew]

Moderator Announcement

Celebloki is confirmed to be aligned with the

town

.

Oh haha, I get why you asked that now Cele.

Just went back to the first page and saw this.

I actually hate being the IC tbh.

[Doctor Drew]

This is clearly a Informed themed game and how did she know this when nobody had claimed prior to her? Her confederates received the Informed roles too.
I would adjure you not to dismiss me out of hand, work through the actual logic, confront me with it and I will answer every step.

Is it? Was it described as such in the sign ups?

[Doctor Drew]

Even if she was joking how do you pull THAT joke when there is no such information -- besides there is scum purpose in the "claim" to which there was no hint of any joke.

Did you even read the quoted post that she directly responded to?

[Doctor Drew]

I actually hate being the IC tbh.

Yeah...I'm not quite sure what to do with it. My plan is to maybe start casting wild accusations at people and maybe bait scum into something. But maybe KL is already doing that.

I would say that you are Informed that this is actually a bastard game and you being IC is a mod lie.

[Doctor Drew]

I am informed that Key and Elements are both prob town and need to walk away from each other for now for the sake of the gamestate.

[Doctor Drew]

I am informed that Key and Elements are both prob town and need to walk away from each other for now for the sake of the gamestate.

Is Khaos town?

I was not informed of that

[Doctor Drew]

Remember if we believe Elements is town then we believe he oopsed an Inform claim in a Informed themed game, where as town he should of had no prior knowledge. Prior knowledge could only have come from one place, the scum PT.

Again, where was it stated this is a informed game??

[Doctor Drew]

I really really really tried to avoid all the messiness. Nothing personal you beautiful female salamander -- just playing a very savage game the best I could.

That is an axolotl, not a salamander.

Informed roles = power roles so I don't want to get into that too much, but obviously we are talking about multiple Informs.

YOU KEEP SAYING THIS IS AN INFORMED GAME OF MAFIA......WHERE WAS THIS STATED BEFOREHAND?

[Doctor Drew]

Sorry this blew up earlier than I wanted -- its not how I was planning things -- I was just trying to be quiet about everything.

Informed roles and power roles are completely different

Pre Edit: Eiralox, Key said it as if in going into the game we should have all known it was an informed game

[Doctor Drew]

Key hurts my brain.

I need to sleep.

[Doctor Drew]

Meh its one thing to know the truth. Its another to convince others to act on it.

How do you know the truth?

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Naerys

I'll sheep bingle.

I think im onboard for a laga elim regardless of alignment.
Need to actually read outworlder iso

I think im onboard for a laga elim regardless of alignment.
Need to actually read outworlder iso

Policy elim are meh.

I'm scumreading laga more than ever before so meh

Can you explain to me if you are scum reading someone as much as Laga why are you even mentioning a policy lim on them?

Like if you legit think they are scum, and for whatever reason you think they should be a policy lim(also why did you believe they should be?), then make every effort to get them limmed.

This feels like a bit of TMI, like you will hide behind mentioning a policy lim when they flip town.

I gotta check the VC.

[Doctor Drew]

Eira here feels almost exactly like Eira town in TLich's GIdea, where they caught me on a bunch of completely wrong reasons and unflipped associatives with people who weren't my scummates (RH9 and Rat). Chell's push on Eira feels exactly like my push on Eira, but here's the kicker: I think that makes her town. I was absolutely convinced that Eira was scum there largely for all the same reasons Chell has discussed because it was multiball and I was genuinely looking for scum.

Naerys otoh, feels like an opportunistic pile on to someone who is getting a bunch of heat and refusing to engage over it. I'm also not a huge fan of the major uptick in activity right after I called out for people who hadn't done much of anything to receive scrutiny.

Is this the only experience with them? Not that I am calling your read of them into question per se, but I would to see their scum game as well

VOTE: Eira

[Doctor Drew]

I'm banned from Elements for 48 hours. XD

I just don't understand their behavior.

I am still in the middle of your ISO, nice posting!

Welcome to Elements.

[Doctor Drew]

Is this the only experience with them? Not that I am calling your read of them into question per se, but I would to see their scum game as well

Yeah. I wouldn't derail the lim over the meta, I just really don't like the pile on from Naerys. It feels skeevy.

Outside of the Naerys stuff, how do you feel about Eira? You say you won't fight the lim, but you seem to think they are town here.

[Doctor Drew]

Tell me it ain't so Gamma!?

???
I was being snarky because there’s a few people who dislike D1 and basically don’t play it on this site

In a large game I get it, I just go on cruise control. But in a game of this size you should be to play some.

[Doctor Drew]

I have a hard time playing D1, cause I never know really how to read people on D1. But looking back on D1 during later days is usually how things start to make sense. When people refuse to play D1 you lose that for better or worse. Sure, I might get protected, but rolling IC makes me feel like this is my only chance to play this game.

Don't worry, I told my buddies in the PT to let you cook a bit, feel bad just killing you N1.

[Doctor Drew]

Yes and I was being snarky because there's a few people who dislike D1 and basically don't play it on this site AND if you are telling me its so, that means ITS SO!
I think you have been in every game I have looked at, even ones that are in signup. XD

lolwut
I am mildly surprised to see this since I thought I had skipped a good number of games but I have also joined more than I initially planned when I came back

Seems like you have a stalker, Gamma lol

[Doctor Drew]

Interesting about face on Key, Ele. Care to elaborate?

Its groups of how much I want to vote someone
Not a read list

:/

This feels like Elements from Boons game, no?

[Doctor Drew]

Idk
I just am concerned why I am on the same tier as Key (which I presume is the tier Elements most wants to vote)

have i been in a game where you've been scum?

I could say the same for you, don't believe I have seen you as scum.

Also, I think the only time I have seen scumGamma.....I was scum with her(I think it was cultD3 way back in the day, but effectively the same)

[Doctor Drew]

It wasn’t CultD3, it was that Guitarists game! That was fun!

Wait no, I was third party that game.....unless I am confusing my games.

[Doctor Drew]

Eira here feels almost exactly like Eira town in TLich's GIdea, where they caught me on a bunch of completely wrong reasons and unflipped associatives with people who weren't my scummates (RH9 and Rat). Chell's push on Eira feels exactly like my push on Eira, but here's the kicker: I think that makes her town. I was absolutely convinced that Eira was scum there largely for all the same reasons Chell has discussed because it was multiball and I was genuinely looking for scum.

Naerys otoh, feels like an opportunistic pile on to someone who is getting a bunch of heat and refusing to engage over it. I'm also not a huge fan of the major uptick in activity right after I called out for people who hadn't done much of anything to receive scrutiny.

Is this the only experience with them? Not that I am calling your read of them into question per se, but I would to see their scum game as well

VOTE: Eira

see i'm still wondering what prompted u to vote cos ur a person who can talk to me
and give reasons
i just seez vote

VOTE: Naerys

I'll sheep bingle.

I think im onboard for a laga elim regardless of alignment.
Need to actually read outworlder iso

I think im onboard for a laga elim regardless of alignment.
Need to actually read outworlder iso

Policy elim are meh.

I'm scumreading laga more than ever before so meh

Can you explain to me if you are scum reading someone as much as Laga why are you even mentioning a policy lim on them?

Like if you legit think they are scum, and for whatever reason you think they should be a policy lim(also why did you believe they should be?), then make every effort to get them limmed.

This feels like a bit of TMI, like you will hide behind mentioning a policy lim when they flip town.

I gotta check the VC.

Maybe you missed my post

[Doctor Drew]

IIRC I Nurse has a crazy work schedule that cause big lapses in activity.

Also, Cele is obvScum, did you have too much whiskey or something?

[Doctor Drew]

IIRC I Nurse has a crazy work schedule that cause big lapses in activity.

Also, Cele is obvScum, did you have too much whiskey or something?

This was directed at Bingle obviously lol

[Doctor Drew]

Gamma Emerald - None of my case has been invalidated, and honestly none of Gamma's stances have been impressive. I can't really point at any post and say "This right here. Gamma scum cause of this shit" but I really do expect more from town her than she's put on display here.

I'm naturally a bit lazy and also not in the greatest headspace so pls drop your expectations

Its OK Gamma we love you!

This was very wholesome.

I like your style Key

[Doctor Drew]

I think that might just be the Whiskey Pocket though, just sayin'

Bingle I think we have a promising new recruit for the Whiskey Pocket

[Doctor Drew]

Honestly, I'm kinda fine with any of the current wagons and just think we need a flip.

Calm down, we have over 5 days until deadline. Let me share the 25 year Glenlivet I had tonight with you so you can chill.

Also, I so strongly believe this is so obv town Ele, or the most blatant open wolfing I have ever seen.

Either way I am here for it and can't see myself voting for them today.

[Doctor Drew]

Why is nurse scum

in short, his low post count and his lack of scumreads/pushed are both big scum tells for him specifically

He tends to have a low post count in basically every game I have played with him.

[Doctor Drew]

Now Eira screaming for a policy lim actually holds some weight to it haha.

[Doctor Drew]

Now Eira screaming for a policy lim actually holds some weight to it haha.

Ew

Tis just a joke given Keys ban.

Also I enjoyed reading Eira scream from the top of the rooftops that literally every word I have typed in this game is scum motivated lol.

Cele, but was is the case on Nurse?

[Doctor Drew]

The player was rude and kind of a dick but the slot is hard town.

UNVOTE:

I also do agree that it is a town slot

[Doctor Drew]

Hi. I'm always quite the slot.

[Doctor Drew]

Ok.

VOTE: Organized Chaos

Wow run away all at once. The mighty psychic Titus is in play.

Lol

You think the noob play is all an act?

[Doctor Drew]

Plus Chaos should never be organized. Then you get evil Leverage hackers played by Wil Wheaton.

They were a good mid 90s rap duo though.

[Doctor Drew]

Ok.

VOTE: Organized Chaos

Wow run away all at once. The mighty psychic Titus is in play.

Lol

You think the noob play is all an act?

You talk as if I read posts. I just picked a low volume poster in the middle of the VC.

Well it seemed you wanted a reaction to the vote.

[Doctor Drew]

Well some major Highlights I guess.

Your slot mostly was going after Elements and Eiralox. Elements made a supposed fake claim #20 of being informed that there was no kill prevention from town. This was brought up on account of me being mod confirmed as town. Kitty counterclaimed this #212. Elements later said their claim was just a j #220. There was a lot of back and forth about how Elements role fished and outed a town power role by Key. Others can chime in about if they felt they believed or not whether that was actually the case.

The case against Eiralox is a lot more complex, as I alluded to this is the bulk of the pages in this game. They kinda got into an extended flame war on each other. It seems to have started with a post where Eira asked me to started a wagon with them #386. This got traction and I believe most other people joined and started to SR Eira based on tone and general flail-li-ness. Again, I should let the wagoners plead their case more. I haven't joined any of the wagons so far.

Cele is also clearly scum, don't believe their lies.

[Doctor Drew]

Ok.

VOTE: Organized Chaos

Wow run away all at once. The mighty psychic Titus is in play.

Lol

You think the noob play is all an act?

You talk as if I read posts. I just picked a low volume poster in the middle of the VC.

Well it seemed you wanted a reaction to the vote.

Yup i do

Gotcha

Plus Chaos should never be organized. Then you get evil Leverage hackers played by Wil Wheaton.

They were a good mid 90s rap duo though.

First time I felt young since surgery

Mid 90s rap was the absolute best, yes I am old.

[Doctor Drew]

Ok.

VOTE: Organized Chaos

Wow run away all at once. The mighty psychic Titus is in play.

Lol

You think the noob play is all an act?

Khaos is town, they play EXACTLY like my noob ass self.

Your NOOB self now?

Or from past days?

[Doctor Drew]

Why is nurse scum

in short, his low post count and his lack of scumreads/pushed are both big scum tells for him specifically

He tends to have a low post count in basically every game I have played with him.

He was scum in Veiled Commitee Mafia (the one game I remember you were both in). Which other games have you played with him?

He was town in both of these games: Game 1 - 289 post ISO which is more than 10% of all posts, Game 2 - 428 post ISO which is actually only 5% of all posts, BUT this was a giant game with 23 players and you had three players who were hyperposting the entirety of Day 1, including Flavor Leaf who did 800 posts (and was the top poster). So actually half of the top poster is not that bad.

Compare to here where he has significantly less than 1% of all posts so far. Same as in Veiled Committee Mafia, where he also had less than 1% of posts (TBF he replaced out, but still had less than 1% of posts by the time he replaced).

Veiled Committee Mafia has been erased from my memory.

And the games I have had played with him, he just he just hasn't made much of an impression outside of him having bouts of being inactive.

I will say any activity he he as had was before I repped in(at least any I remember).

I also am vehemently against limming lurkers on D1.

[Doctor Drew]

hi guys, what are we talking about?

What do you think about the new replacements?

Ummmm... Well looking at their posts they are all neutral for me.

Even Dragon?

Gamma do you wanna have a crazy towncore with me and Naerys?

Ehhh that works for now

Can we add Titus btw?

Not including the IC? This is is the spicy play I am here for.

Bingle and I will invite the IC to the Whiskey Pocket if you don't want him.

I will say I had basically no opinion on Ower, but like Sleepy so far, but giving them a short leash for now. I am always weary of a rep in a game, at least initially. Perfect chance for scum to save a slot

[Doctor Drew]

Also agreed that Titus is town.

And I still think Elements is town, more spicy takes I know.

[Doctor Drew]

Interesting about face on Key, Ele. Care to elaborate?

Its groups of how much I want to vote someone
Not a read list

:/

This feels like Elements from Boons game, no?

maybe you're town, but can you elaborate on your elements take though? your latest post and this one are weak reasons to townread elements since my vibe from her was just being a goofball for half of her posts

You don't think their play is similar to Boons game?

Especially the earlier interaction with Key?

Are you scum reading her?

[Doctor Drew]

isoed khaos and im assuming organized khaos is new based on join date so also weak townread

tried to iso eiralox and gave up instantly

pedit ok

pedit pt 2 i haven't even tried to read her yet but it stood out to me. and no i don't. can you tell me what this interaction is?

Ok, go back and read then tell me your thoughts on Elements.

[Doctor Drew]

ope i got something in do in 1 minute hopefully this was a good set of real posts

ya Snivy is useless

[Doctor Drew]

Kinda wouldn’t mind killing Drew here

What would you get out of that?

[Doctor Drew]

I feel like you could flip scum here
I get a not-good vibe from you rn

What's wrong with my vibe?

Like, let's focus on the issue.

[Doctor Drew]

Your priorities feel skewed, ig

Which ones?

Wanting Eira limmed? Or just coasting through the day?

Not sure if your issue is with my content, or my shit posting.

[Doctor Drew]

you seem half-heartedly interested in defending Elements
I think your comment calling CCS "useless" was out-of-pocket

I have been pretty adamant about calling Elements town basically since I repped in.

Also, in regards to Snivy, look at my sig lol.

[Doctor Drew]

-_-
what is your actual read on CCS rn?

I would town bin them for now, they were just scum in a game with me and the initial vibe feels different then that game. Nothing super strong but I have no problem letting them cook.

And I do like their questioning of Bingle(definitely need more help sussing my fellow whiskey aficionado).

[Doctor Drew]

I think I'm willing to let Drew cook for now.

I was hoping Snivy was still online when I made the useless post, he would have chuckled lol(I get it wasn't clear as a joke to others possibly, but I wouldn't be that much of a dick).

[Doctor Drew]

I guess his wagon didn't really lose as much steam as I thought. I still don't think it's a terrible idea to see if Eiralox comes back and realizes his foil is gone. Maybe give him a chance to appeal to a newer audience. I also had stated a few days back that I had intent to hammer as well, but was wanting to wait on replacements. Eira hasn't been back since then.

It is funny how I read this and think you are scum trying to cover for your buddy.

Tis a lesson that sometimes people just are genuine even if they are 'protecting' a scum read of yours.

[Doctor Drew]

I don’t buy that they actually read the slot at all, so the village read

Fair

Ehhh that works for now

Were you even TRing Naerys before I asked that?

Can we add Titus btw?

No? Unless you are willing to make a towncase that's more than "KL was obnoxiously town and therfore the slot is locktown". If you are willing to make a different argument, I'll listen. But I won't accept that argument.

Not including the IC? This is is the spicy play I am here for.

Still don't get why I have to say that he's part of the town core. Like what purpose does it serve?

I will say I had basically no opinion on Ower, but like Sleepy so far, but giving them a short leash for now. I am always weary of a rep in a game, at least initially. Perfect chance for scum to save a slot

Save a slot nobody was SRing?

ya Snivy is useless

scum^ (and yes I do get the joke, I was there when you became useless).

Kinda wouldn’t mind killing Drew here

Funny, I thought that up until Drew's last few posts which did sound vaguely towny. What didn't you like in his last few posts?

gamma's probably town

Don't particularly like this comment right after Gamma has entered a town core.

Your priorities feel skewed, ig

Actually I maybe agree with this.
VOTE: Drew

Oh btw Gamma, just noticed your next post will be your post 67000.

Oh btw, funnty how you didn't notice Gamma not noticing my joke post as well and then she said she was fine letting me cook.

Especially since you said my last posts look vaguely towny?

Wut

[Doctor Drew]

Can we like, not hammer Eiralox before we let them check in and post?

This is the classic recipe for Day 1 mislim.

Actually can somebody please unvote?

Elaborate please

[Doctor Drew]

Elaborate please

The amount of times I've seen someone who was consensus scum for a not-great reason be put in E-1 and then hammered without a chance to defend themselves, is, uh, too many times.

I keep saying I hate limming lurkers on D1 for this reason.

But, like Gamma just said.....they have defended themselves quite a bit.

[Doctor Drew]

doing a LIGHT iso of Drew, and fine I guess he can be a light townread for now.

Pedit: In this case "defend themselves" is maybe not the right word, but I would like to see how Eira engages with the new thread state that is no longer a jumbled mess.

I hate being caught defending my buddy as well.

It happens to the best of us though.

[Doctor Drew]

doing a LIGHT iso of Drew, and fine I guess he can be a light townread for now.

Pedit: In this case "defend themselves" is maybe not the right word, but I would like to see how Eira engages with the new thread state that is no longer a jumbled mess.

I hate being caught defending my buddy as well.

It happens to the best of us though.

wow

good shade

like do you really not see the town reason to say "hey please let's not hammer yet"?

Eira has engaged with most players and voiced some pretty spicy opinions already.

Do you have a good reason not to hammer?

[Doctor Drew]

you are evading my question and changing the goal posts.

I asked if you could not see town motivation for saying that.

Stop it.

I literally said they engaged with most everyone here and threw out accusations.

They said what they wanted to say, and haven't posted at all since.

So, what more can they say and what more do you need before a hammer?

[Doctor Drew]

my reason for not hammering is I don't think I have enough of a read on Eira to hammer right now, and I want to sort them. And I'm not going to read the mess that KL's posting, and all the reasons I've been given why EIra is scum suck, except for like one post from Chell. And that post gives a half decent explanation for an early scumread, but isn't an entire scum case, and I asked her to elaborate on like a while ago and she still hasn't elaborated on it. And Bingle's vote on Eira is really bad and scum motivated.

So your solution is to lead a wagon on me instead??

[Doctor Drew]

Stop what? Why are you claiming I'm "defending a partner"? What have I done that makes me an Eira partner as distinct from a stupid confused townie who erroneously thinks Eira might not be scum, FYPOV?

PEDIT: NO???? I'm voting BINGLE for fucks sake.

Just saw the switch to Bingle lol

[Doctor Drew]

doing a LIGHT iso of Drew, and fine I guess he can be a light townread for now.

Pedit: In this case "defend themselves" is maybe not the right word, but I would like to see how Eira engages with the new thread state that is no longer a jumbled mess.

I agree with this but don't want to take Eira off of E-1
I'll just say any hammer is a scumclaim until Eira returns

I wish i had a double vote right now.

I hate this post

[Doctor Drew]

Why?

You are playing both sides.

No matter what happens you can wash your hands of the flip while making yourself look good

[Doctor Drew]

Organized Khaos

What?

Are you okay?

Yeah, I'm just very busy in real life and haven't been able to keep up with the thread. It would be nice to know what's been going on.

No, I meant, are you OK?

Oh yeah, I am OK.

But have you been hit by, struck by, a Radiant Cowbells?

Annie, are you OK?

[Doctor Drew]

Celebloki - I have a secret tinfoil theory that Celebloki is Informed Town, but I'm not pushing it so that scum doesn't try to kill him to stifle the information.

When it comes to bingle, i dislike this. " I am not pushing it" yeah but writing it instead into RL to which everyone will pay attention to.

Show of hands:

Who all thinks that me saying the IC is fakeclaiming IC as an informed townie is something I would do as anything other than a joke. Cause...

Jokes don't exist on Mafiascum.net

Gamma, I don't think Chell called your entire play limp, just the one post......why so defensive about that?

[Doctor Drew]

Jokes don't exist on Mafiascum.net

TIL I've been hallucinating this player named Doctor Drew for years.

I am your Tyler Durden.

[Doctor Drew]

Celebloki - I have a secret tinfoil theory that Celebloki is Informed Town, but I'm not pushing it so that scum doesn't try to kill him to stifle the information.

When it comes to bingle, i dislike this. " I am not pushing it" yeah but writing it instead into RL to which everyone will pay attention to.

Show of hands:

Who all thinks that me saying the IC is fakeclaiming IC as an informed townie is something I would do as anything other than a joke. Cause...

Jokes don't exist on Mafiascum.net

Gamma, I don't think Chell called your entire play limp, just the one post......why so defensive about that?

I interpreted it as a justification of the vote

Ok, I will have to look at Chell's lead up to the vote.

[Doctor Drew]

Been so tired and busy these last few days, didn't even realize we are up on the deadline.

Don't this Eira is going through, but I also am not in love with voting Bingle or Elements.

But, in interest of not voting a Whiskey Pocket member quite yet, and I probably should go back to sheeping Titus like the old days.....

VOTE: Elements

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: bingle

I mean, that's fair

[Doctor Drew]

What have I missed?

Can you please stop being such a no info slot? I’d try and lead a last minute wagon in you, but it would just give us nothing to go off tomorrow. Scum or town.

I am glad you said it, getting a bit tired of them just asking everyone what to do and not even making an attempt to play the game.

Was giving them the benefit of the doubt, but this is at best just getting annoying, but feels more and more like it could be scum not sure what to do.

[Doctor Drew]

Still time to get a flash wagon on Cele.

[Doctor Drew]

What

Ya'll had a perfectly good wagon on Gamma scum and threw it away

Whatever

Honestly I think I'm past caring

Good luck : )

Weren't you calling basically everyone calling you scum.....scum?

[Doctor Drew]

I will say as well, I am fully aware that Bingle could be pocketing me.

[Doctor Drew]

for me Drew and Khaos are almost interchangeable, I just hate how Khaos dipped

Wait what?

[Doctor Drew]

Lol, that's my order as well, just in a more clear format. I ordered mine most to least. I might swap Khaos and CCS now though. Hard to say. I had a soul read of scum on RN and so far I don't get any sort of town vibes from CCS in his entrance or play since.

I really truly believe Khaos is scum, but I also hate pushing the lurkers on D1. I am torn, especially since my read is mainly on inactions rather than actions.

[Doctor Drew]

For me what Drew has going against him is that while he's been playing fairly null and there are others that are scummier, the other scummier people have made claims that cause me to want to let them cook and sort after a night phase. Of my bottom 3, the distance between Khaos and Drew is pretty far on the 'wanting to lim them' scale. You're being too much of a Null VT, Drew. That's classic lim bait.

Unless there's truth to this clearly not edited quote.

I’m a rolecop with a N0 peek and I used it in whatever slot Dr. Drew is going to replace into. He’s a cult mentor.

Right here, drew.

That said, if you do have anything to claim Drew, don't. I am NOT saying you should have claimed anything . Just saying you're currently looking vanilla to me.

Jeez and now you are role phishing?? How much more scummy can Cele be???

But if you want in my cult, all you had to do was ask. As the cult mentor I can watch over all my worshipers.

And we have lots of good whiskey.

[Doctor Drew]

we should get me and bingle to e-1 and then post 2500 should be Cele hammering one of us

I concur

Crazy drunken out of the blue thought here.

Do you know they are both town?

You don't have to answer that.

[Doctor Drew]

For me what Drew has going against him is that while he's been playing fairly null and there are others that are scummier, the other scummier people have made claims that cause me to want to let them cook and sort after a night phase. Of my bottom 3, the distance between Khaos and Drew is pretty far on the 'wanting to lim them' scale. You're being too much of a Null VT, Drew. That's classic lim bait.

Unless there's truth to this clearly not edited quote.

I’m a rolecop with a N0 peek and I used it in whatever slot Dr. Drew is going to replace into. He’s a cult mentor.

Right here, drew.

That said, if you do have anything to claim Drew, don't. I am NOT saying you should have claimed anything . Just saying you're currently looking vanilla to me.

Jeez and now you are role phishing?? How much more scummy can Cele be???

But if you want in my cult, all you had to do was ask. As the cult mentor I can watch over all my worshipers.

And we have lots of good whiskey.

Drew it would be nice if you played this game. Like,

played

played.

I am already at end game, where are you?

Though, I am down to dispatch of Khaos.

[Doctor Drew]

Sleepy, sounds like you know me.

Then you should know my subtleties as well.

[Doctor Drew]

Sleepy, sounds like you know me.

Then you should know my subtleties as well.

????

Wdym "sounds" like I know you?

read my sig

Lol, well then.

My previous statement is valid.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Khaotic Order

For vig yes.

As the D1 kill, not the best play.

[Doctor Drew]

Ok I got to play with Bingle for at least a day, all I needed

VOTE: Bingle

[Doctor Drew]

Gamma Emerald has requested replacement.

[Doctor Drew]

K I'm 90% on the way to solve this game, I just need one of gob/Chell/Drew to townspew right about now.

I only town spew in end game, or as scum lol.

I actually am waiting for Bingle to show up, need to dance a little with him.

[Doctor Drew]

ya Drew is useless

Only Snivy can use those words.

ya Drew is useless

WOAh, come on now.

I know right? How dare they steal your line.

K I'm 90% on the way to solve this game, I just need one of gob/Chell/Drew to townspew right about now.

I only town spew in end game, or as scum lol.

I actually am waiting for Bingle to show up, need to dance a little with him.

why dont you vote him?

Umm....hate to be the one to tell you.

Ok I got to play with Bingle for at least a day, all I needed

VOTE: Bingle

Is Snivy useless now?

[Doctor Drew]

My gut says do Khaos.

Don't be lazy, there's obvscum to string up.

Why shouldn't I think you were trying to pocket me on D1?

[Doctor Drew]

Doctor Drew - Drew is almost certainly town here. The reach outs to me seem natural, the desire to engage with me lines up entirely with the townread, and the complete willingness to disagree and make his own pushes when he does make me trust the shit out of our good doctor. 10/10, would whiskey again.

Old town reasoning on Drew. Still relevant.

Wasn't the banter, we will always have that no matter either of ours alignment *heart emoji*

It was these two posts, like maybe you suddenly became a great reader of Drew, but it seemed very excessive.

Now, I will agree with you a bit on Snivy. But, they always come across as a bit 'fly by the seat of their pants' and miss obvious things.

But I don't know if they were just trying to make me look bad here, like they did a few games ago when they were scum.

[Doctor Drew]

I approve of Bingle's push on Sleepy Dragon.

I actually do as well, I want to see how this plays out.

See? I told you Bingle is the glue that keeps this game together.

[Doctor Drew]

It was these two posts, like maybe you suddenly became a great reader of Drew, but it seemed very excessive.

Eh. I'm townreading you, sure. I'm not really leveraging that into anything though, so I'm not sure why it would trigger pocketing alarms.

Tbf, anytime someone hard town reads me on D1, the red flags come out.

And you aren't a dummy, I feel like you could leverage the banter into the read as well to basically hope I just enjoy the ride.

But, as I type this info think you respect me enough to not fall for it.

I need some whiskey.

[Doctor Drew]

See? I told you Bingle is the glue that keeps this game together.

Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality.

interesting.

I am town this game so who is scum Bingle? Besides the one you just mentioned

What are you trying to say here?

Did you drink some of my whiskey??

[Doctor Drew]

Gob, why did you say me v Bingle when we haven't had much interaction at all?

I am also on board, I think I got what I wanted out of Bingle.

VOTE: Gob

[Doctor Drew]

gobs not in my poe here

Who is your poem aside from bingle?

I'm not sure actually. doctor drew since i forgot why i got off him in the first and naerys and chell since they're somewhat experienced players who i have no read on

So your PoE is basically 'I dunno' and 'Ooh these two might be scary'

?

[Doctor Drew]

I would also like, for the record, to affirm that I am in fact cCS's poem, and I can be your poem too if you just believe in a thing called love by the darkness.

*In Falsetto*

Just listen to the rhythm of my heart.

Snivy, why did you get on me in the first place?

[Doctor Drew]

UNVOTE: gob

Pedit: I am saying gob just said "Naerys is not in her scum game" when she doesn't have any scum games...

And you might call it strawman fallacy but I genuinely think that implies something about the quality of gob's reads / play.

Umm......I was just gonna say this makes Gob look worse to me.

[Doctor Drew]

it feels icky but i kind of just want to kill organized khaos today

i was playing under the assumption that khaos if town would eventually find something to care about and latch onto but im not really seeing that

and i don't want to live in a world where i have to sort that slot in a limlo

I am there with you, and like you I kinda don't like it.

[Doctor Drew]

It can't be as simple as Gob and Khaos plus ?

Can it?

[Doctor Drew]

It can't be as simple as Gob and Khaos plus ?

Can it?

You think the wagon shades Khaos scum? Or what.

Wut.

Scum wagon dying to get a town mis limmed.

You are saying this can't be possible.

How?

[Doctor Drew]

Someone who is less in a bathtub than me should check to see if gob has played with a babysitter before, but yeah, I feel significantly worse about gob now.

You don't know if I am also in a bathtub.

Also no way I can put in this much effort.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Khaos

Ok fine

VOTE: Khaos

[Doctor Drew]

Snivy, what is with this defense of Khaos??

[Doctor Drew]

bingle you feel especially navel gazey this game

im not sure that’s even a scum tell for you but i don’t have a solid grasp on what you feel passionate about in this game, if anything

so if you do have some specific things you’re feeling confident on that would be helpful

Your reads on Bingle and myself seem so non-committal and vague.

Yet you make a point to single us out.

I don't know what your angle is here, especially as you sheep Bingle and vote Gob.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Chell

[Doctor Drew]

I am just not buying what you are selling right now.

And your defense of Snivy sticks out to me like his defense of Khaos.

Starting to see 2 scum in this triumvirate.

[Doctor Drew]

im not town reading snivy either? or am i misunderstanding something

I just think he’s probably not s/s with khaos

'Oh I can't read snivy at all, he is null.....but totally not scum with Khaos'

Weird flex, and is classic scum defense of a buddy.

[Doctor Drew]

what is your opinion of gob, drew

Gob is in my lim pool with you.....and by proxy Snivy.....and by proxy proxy, Khaos.

But, I feel you are connected to Snivy, and Snivy is connected to Khaos(or is it is crazy and all three of you is scum lol).

And as I type this out......VOTE: Snivy

He is the lynchpin imo.

[Doctor Drew]

what makes snivy the most attractive option

You are protecting him, he is protecting Khaos, you have wanted to vote Khaos.

It is VCA in real time.

[Doctor Drew]

Thats some drewing

@Chell I agree with Bingle that your logic points to gob needing to go before Khaos

@Drew can you walk me through your entire thought process? Yes I know you already said you think Chell is defending Snivy who's defending Khaos but I really don't have enough time for this game right now to deeply analyze. So it would be useful if you explain your thought process and quote the relevant posts.

I was a little too deep in the whiskey pocket when I posted that read, reading it back it definitely needs some clarification lol.

Big holiday here in the states though today, so maybe later today while back in the whiskey pocket my drunken brain can explain to me what I meant in clearer terms.

[Doctor Drew]

also idk what a lynchpin is

Something upon which everything else relies. Literally, the retention pin at the end of a wheel that stops everything else in the structure from falling apart.

Exactly, also a pretty good Fear Factory tune.

I never got around to clarifying my vote on Snivy, and don't feel like going back to all that lol.

But essentially I felt how Chell was acting around Snivy and how Snivy was acting around Khao, especially when Khaos had heat on them definitely made me feel scum was in those three to some degree, with Snivy being the glue holding everything together.

Hence my vote on them.

[Doctor Drew]

actually I looked at an ISO (not saying whose) and suddenly I feel a lot better about killing Khaos

VOTE: Khaos

Cele you are IC but your steer to CCS over Khaos is just so fucking bad I want to vote you

Can you vote Khaos again?

I'm kinda really invested in the ccs flip in light of this, actually.

[Doctor Drew]

So, I was hoping to see another claim attempt, but I will point out Khaos already claimed VT before.

@Khaos if you are town you should claim probably

I'm a vanilla townie, why?

Maybe Snivy is the play today?

Ya know, like it should have been before people pushed Khaos again.

[Doctor Drew]

explain in excruciating detail

for the duration of the game I've been in he's had some really bad takes (elements read, my read, one more I'm forgetting) which is fake as fuck

I don't want to make the obvious joke at risk of coming off too mean lol, but I think Snivy knows what I was gonna say.

So being a part of a miss lim makes me scum?

I can't comment on the other two parts since I obviously think you are scum so of course you would say that was bad, and I am sure I have many bad takes every game lol

[Doctor Drew]

im not even talking about element's flip lmao

You literally used my elements read as your argument to Taly on why I am scum.

[Doctor Drew]

@Naerys, Titus, Celebloki, Drew - i want your input.

I don't really want to vote either really.

[Doctor Drew]

Why not?

I guess I could be pushed to vote Bingle, still can't shake that they were pocketing me a bit.

[Doctor Drew]

HURT: Bingle

Kinda lazy to go through my Snivy case and I feel it only makes sense to me anyways

[Doctor Drew]

I still just wish we would go with Snivy.

And who has been chainsaw defending snivy all fucking day? Dragon.

How exactly have I been chainsaw defending Snivy? I've been okayish with a Snivy lim most of the day

Can we just lim this? This is exactly the same Bingle who was scum in Veiled Committee Mafia

Have you?

I don't think you want Snivy limmed at all.

[Doctor Drew]

I am not buying what Sleepy is selling right now.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Sleepy

[Doctor Drew]

Have you?

I don't think you want Snivy limmed at all.

It's because I am sus of Snivy, but not sus enough to lim him today.

I am not buying what Sleepy is selling right now.

That's bs, you don't have to buy anything, nor am I selling anything. You said you were okay with voting Bingle. What changed your mind?

You

[Doctor Drew]

preemptively i want to say naerys is probably scum

probably doctor drew but something about the bingle flip is making me question that choice

ic death also makes this game feel more like a pain in the ass

VOTE: Sleepy

[Doctor Drew]

preemptively i want to say naerys is probably scum

probably doctor drew but something about the bingle flip is making me question that choice

ic death also makes this game feel more like a pain in the ass

VOTE: Sleepy

can you.. explain further

Not until we hear from Sleepy.

[Doctor Drew]

are you claiming something on dragon because I'd like you to be explicit about that if that's the case

Patience is a virtue

[Doctor Drew]

UNVOTE:

[Doctor Drew]

I am a PR

[Doctor Drew]

i lied about being PR to see how sd would claim

Also, you sure you know my role Dragon?

Rhetorical question obviously lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Bweh gob's fakeclaim is making my head spin

I think I am going to lie in bed for a while and come back to this game later

Lol, yours and mine both.

[Doctor Drew]

Are we waiting for Chell or should I just claim?

[Doctor Drew]

Are we waiting for Chell or should I just claim?

Idk

Like it would probably be optimal for Chell to claim first but we kinda fucked up claiming optimally so you might as well

Town Inspector

Both nights targeted Cele

[Doctor Drew]

Then wtf was that vote and "all will be made clear" for?

I was, and still slightly am, hard scum reading you and was gonna test your reaction to a guilty.

But when you basically hard claimed a guilty I gave up on this gambit lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Mmmm yeeting Bingle was probably a bigger mistake than I realized

I have like 0 confidence on how likely an inspector is to exist in this setup

Would been weird to claim as scum, amirite?

[Doctor Drew]

Fair

Do you believe my claim?

Meh

This is the perfect time for scum to fake a guilty, so....

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, assuming you are town, and looking at the roles claimed, how likely do you figure it is that the town is something like 5 VTs, an inspector, a 2-shot follower, an IC, a babysitter and a Complex Mailman, from a balance point of view?

Because I think it's objectively VERY unlikely.

Probably very unlikely, I agree.

In other news, the sky is blue.

Obviously someone is lying here.

Pre Edit: If you are gonna call me scum, then just call me scum.....don't beat around the bush here

[Doctor Drew]

I know

Just think back to 244 and compare my play there with this game

then compare my play in Fruit Mafia to this game

Then you don't have to panic.

EZ game.

Hu?

Trying to suss out your main, but between Mafia Has a Cop, Fruit Mafia, and 244.....it doesn't add up lol

[Doctor Drew]

I know

Just think back to 244 and compare my play there with this game

then compare my play in Fruit Mafia to this game

Then you don't have to panic.

EZ game.

Hu?

Trying to suss out your main, but between Mafia Has a Cop, Fruit Mafia, and 244.....it doesn't add up lol

Drew

We already had the conversation on who my main is

Also like, am I the only person on this site (aside from usesPython) that reads games he is not a part of?

Well clearly I don't remember that haha.

Also, I thought the name was too on the nose.....but see your sig now.

And no, I rarely read another game.

[Doctor Drew]

Doctor Drew, NewPerson/Taly/Khaos, Titus, Sleepy Dragon

This four contains scum, for sure.

I think it's between Titus and Sleepy. The fact Sleepy hasn't been gunning for Titus makes me think its both of them, frankly.

VOTE: Titus

I am actually also okay with limming the Taly slot, just because I also think that slot/Drew also most likely contains a wolf.

That is actually better to lim in, realistically. It's possible all maf were on Bingle's wagon, but I doubt it.

VOTE: Drew

But I seriously feel like Titus is mafia here. She hasn't really been progressing the game forward at all, which I think is more like her wolf game. She's been more in the background this game than any other game I've played with her before. Can't shake the feeling she's mafia basically.

I think Sleepy looks really bad, especially with what Bingle said, but I sorta idk feel like he's town still lol.

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Whate even is this post?

[Doctor Drew]

what is gob doing

Finally we agree on something here lol

[Doctor Drew]

Chell-odd night watcher
Snivy-2-shot follower
gob-vt
me-complex mailman
drew:Town Inspector
dragon:Even Night Neapolitan
Taly:vt
Titus:vt

watcher tells who visited the target during the night

follower tells what type of action someone performed i think? like protection or killing

inspector tells whether or not someone visited the target but not who

Mailman can send messages? But complex means it only works on power roles and not vanillas?

Going off memory so i might be missing some details

Slight prod dodge, not v/la but won't be super active the next few days(kinda like I haven't been the last few).

But the one thing that jumps out at me is the even night claim by Dragons, definitely how I would fake claim lol.

Really think the lim should be between Dragon/Taly.....or just no lim.

[Doctor Drew]

to be clear

you think SD is scum?

like realistically there is always 1 scum in [Taly/SD]

you vote within those two always today

Agreed.

VOTE: Taly

E-1

[Doctor Drew]

We still have 4 days, I have plenty of time.

Let's wait for the Taly replacement at least. I mean what are we doing here? Hammering early in MYLO?

The people on Taly's wagon look bad and are over eager.

Anyway Taly/Snivy/Drew/Naerys/Titus

That is where i currently think the scum are. One of Taly or Snivy is probably scum based on how the wagons died for Bingle. But i just dont believe mafia would throw up their partner Taly here, they would heavily protect him.
Also bingle giving up and self-hammering was such a frustrating play. People who self-hammer really piss me off.

Well this post makes me feel way better about my Taly vote.

[Doctor Drew]

We still have 4 days, I have plenty of time.

Let's wait for the Taly replacement at least. I mean what are we doing here? Hammering early in MYLO?

The people on Taly's wagon look bad and are over eager.

Anyway Taly/Snivy/Drew/Naerys/Titus

That is where i currently think the scum are. One of Taly or Snivy is probably scum based on how the wagons died for Bingle. But i just dont believe mafia would throw up their partner Taly here, they would heavily protect him.
Also bingle giving up and self-hammering was such a frustrating play. People who self-hammer really piss me off.

Well this post makes me feel way better about my Taly vote.

Yea cause im totally scum here, right?

Drew you are definitely scum here, actually.

Oh, do tell.

*Grabs some popcorn*

[Doctor Drew]

You have been sitting back glibly this entire game, quickly voting Taly in MYLO.

Even if Taly is scum here you cannot justify rushing to lim in this situation.

Everyone else on the Taly wagon is townier than you too. I think you are the eager mafia.

Can you read that middle sentence slower for me and explain that logic?

[Doctor Drew]

You have been sitting back glibly this entire game, quickly voting Taly in MYLO.

Even if Taly is scum here you cannot justify rushing to lim in this situation.

Everyone else on the Taly wagon is townier than you too. I think you are the eager mafia.

Can you read that middle sentence slower for me and explain that logic?

Yes, simply. There are 5 town and 3 mafia. I do not know who the mafia are. I also do not know if Taly is a mafia. Even though SD has a red check, and he could be lying and there is something i havent accounted for. For instance something related to Taly (now Afrayed Knott)'s slot perhaps.

I mean let us use the time we have in such a tight situation. It's not like we know the next step tomorrow right away, right? so lets discuss things.

How do you know where are 3 mafia?

[Doctor Drew]

You have been sitting back glibly this entire game, quickly voting Taly in MYLO.

Even if Taly is scum here you cannot justify rushing to lim in this situation.

Everyone else on the Taly wagon is townier than you too. I think you are the eager mafia.

Can you read that middle sentence slower for me and explain that logic?

Yes, simply. There are 5 town and 3 mafia. I do not know who the mafia are. I also do not know if Taly is a mafia. Even though SD has a red check, and he could be lying and there is something i havent accounted for. For instance something related to Taly (now Afrayed Knott)'s slot perhaps.

I mean let us use the time we have in such a tight situation. It's not like we know the next step tomorrow right away, right? so lets discuss things.

How do you know where are 3 mafia?

*there not where

[Doctor Drew]

You have been sitting back glibly this entire game, quickly voting Taly in MYLO.

Even if Taly is scum here you cannot justify rushing to lim in this situation.

Everyone else on the Taly wagon is townier than you too. I think you are the eager mafia.

Can you read that middle sentence slower for me and explain that logic?

Yes, simply. There are 5 town and 3 mafia. I do not know who the mafia are. I also do not know if Taly is a mafia. Even though SD has a red check, and he could be lying and there is something i havent accounted for. For instance something related to Taly (now Afrayed Knott)'s slot perhaps.

I mean let us use the time we have in such a tight situation. It's not like we know the next step tomorrow right away, right? so lets discuss things.

How do you know where are 3 mafia?

Now I KNOW you are mafia because you are trolling me. You don't think 13p has 3 mafia?

One would assume 3 mafia here, but you said it in a way that is TMI

[Doctor Drew]

You have been sitting back glibly this entire game, quickly voting Taly in MYLO.

Even if Taly is scum here you cannot justify rushing to lim in this situation.

Everyone else on the Taly wagon is townier than you too. I think you are the eager mafia.

Can you read that middle sentence slower for me and explain that logic?

Yes, simply. There are 5 town and 3 mafia. I do not know who the mafia are. I also do not know if Taly is a mafia. Even though SD has a red check, and he could be lying and there is something i havent accounted for. For instance something related to Taly (now Afrayed Knott)'s slot perhaps.

I mean let us use the time we have in such a tight situation. It's not like we know the next step tomorrow right away, right? so lets discuss things.

How do you know where are 3 mafia?

afaik sleepy dragon claimed that tomorrow would be melo (if we condemned town) but you arent calling him out for that?

Didn't see that post, or it didn't register.

Why are you defending Gob though?

[Doctor Drew]

Okay two things


One: Drew calling what gob said "TMI" is fucking stupid. Drew has played enough mini normals to know that there are 3 scum, period. If there were 4 scum the game would be over already. And ain't no way NRG approves a 2-scum 13er with at least 2 useful TPRs and an IC on top. This feels like a weird gotcha from Drew.



Two: I don't know if gob is just THAT ignorant or if he's flailing scum desperately trying to save Khaos/Taly/AK slot, but saying that that slot could be town because of something he hasn't accounted for is stupid, if he thinks I'm town. Even if I was town lying about my guilty, or of Taly was a TPR who fakeclaimed vanilla, btoh of which are beyond stupid, for a town!Taly-and-SD world to exist would mean that all of Drew, Chell, and Naerys are scum (otherwise the last scum would have hammered for the win), which is not even what gob is pushing (he said it's Taly/Snivy/Drew/Naerys/Titus and has been mainly pushing Titus).

Fair enough, I just saw how he said 3 so confidently and wasn't thinking about the set up per se......act first think later I always say heh.

[Doctor Drew]

Has the repp's entrance been towny?

I am, ahem......Afrayed Knott.

But seriously, let me get this buss to go through and I can ride that town cred for a day or two.

And Gob, pretty much what Titus said, I know personally if I were scum this would be a situation where I might buss.

[Doctor Drew]

Has the repp's entrance been towny?

I am, ahem......Afrayed Knott.

But seriously, let me get this buss to go through and I can ride that town cred for a day or two.

And Gob, pretty much what Titus said, I know personally if I were scum this would be a situation where I might buss.

fair enough, but lets look at the facts, based on your post.

what is your argument really based on? your response is such that you are being seen as scum and the best course of action is to flail the rep because its the easiest thing to do to secure the lim and the game.,

based on no real argument other than the fact that I am not town because of a fake claim. Oh well, rather subjective reasoning from you when you boil it down, or possibly a scum response. because what else would scum say to deflect attention to win the game. Chap good attempt but really you are trying to push the scum feel people have for you onto me, and its rather belittling.

Bruv, my post was basically an excuse to makes that bad pun with your username.

The lim is always between you and Dragons here.

Give me something more than 'it was a fakeclaim' that tells me why I should vote Dragon's over you.

[Doctor Drew]

Seems like such an over the top reaction from Dragon here.

And if my math is correct than no lim is the correct play, maybe someone else can check.

Dragon, who would you want limmed here?

[Doctor Drew]

Also, absolute-dislodged-moon.

Shout out to Nae in the dead thread.

[Doctor Drew]

*absolutely-dislodged-moon

Had to check the message again lol

[Doctor Drew]

*absolutely-dislodged-moon

Are you saying that this is the message you got from Naerys?

Yes

[Doctor Drew]

I didn't use my role last night, realized how kinda pointless it is lol

VOTE: no lim

[Doctor Drew]

2.13

Votecount 2.13

camelCasedSnivy (E-2): Doctor Drew, Bingle, gob, Chell
Organized Khaos (3): Naerys, Titus,

Celebloki

Chell (1): Organized Khaos
Naerys (1): camelCasedSnivy

Not Voting (1): Sleepy Dragon

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to secure an execution or 5 to secure a no-execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-11-28 12:17:09).

On second thought, Drew is my preferred lim.

How exactly does this VC make you change your mind from Camel to me?

[Doctor Drew]

What about my play hasn't been super towny? What specifically changed your mind?

Why fake a guilty in elo on a townread? I mean it was blatantly fake but still.

Well first off, i didnt read anything before I replaced in so I can't speak for that. But I just felt like you weren't doing anything. At the time I thought mafia was controlling the town and Taly was either green or getting bussed. But now I see it's not really like that, so you not doing as much as I thought you would doesn't bother me.

Idk I was just feeling it.

Titus probably would have controlled things better than scum, also I feel she is a bit more confident as scum, sometimes even tunnely, which I don't see from her so far this game.

Like I feel like she is scum reading me for poe, yet she even admits she isn't too sure.

[Doctor Drew]

I think I will go back to my first instinct and Camel would be my preferred lim here.

[Doctor Drew]

doctor drew is the only real one i want to lim

idk who second scum is tbh

I feel pretty confident you know who scum is.

[Doctor Drew]

doctor drew is the only real one i want to lim

idk who second scum is tbh

I feel pretty confident you know who scum is.

is your instinct the only reason why you want to kill me

I trust my gut, yes

Why do you want me limmed?

[Doctor Drew]

Well shit, I didn't even realize I was in prod range.

[Doctor Drew]

Alright it seems I am the most townread person in this game.

Even though I have just flailed like an idiot, but that seems to be enough.

However the wolf team, you have kept me alive this long because you think I am stupid, I know. You think you can outsmart me, and maybe you can.


But Camel, I know you are actually town here. Clearly, the FoS has been on you too much and Taly tried anti-spew with you that was beyond fake. I believe the true wolf is... well we both know who it is here, but we can't say it outloud for fear of our lives (in-game).

There are five of us left, 3 town, 2 mafia most likely. The cards are all on the table and we.... no, I, will not mess up here.

This might be the scummiest post of the game.

[Doctor Drew]

Is that all you have to say Doctor?

How about you join me to vote Snivy.

[Doctor Drew]

I feel like mechanically it makes sense to NOT vote drew here cause cehll voted him and chell could be mafia.

So like statistically that lowers drew's chance of being maf.

what u guys think?

Give me some positive feedback

I like how you think

[Doctor Drew]

I feel like mechanically it makes sense to NOT vote drew here cause cehll voted him and chell could be mafia.

So like statistically that lowers drew's chance of being maf.

what u guys think?

Give me some positive feedback

I like how you think

you should probably omgus too

But I would rather vote you, maybe tomorrow we finally can.

VOTE: Chell

[Doctor Drew]

I feel like mechanically it makes sense to NOT vote drew here cause cehll voted him and chell could be mafia.

So like statistically that lowers drew's chance of being maf.

what u guys think?

Give me some positive feedback

Both could be mafia? Unless you're scumreading Chell, this response doesn't make sense.

I will give you a spoiler, there is no chance of us both being scum.

[Doctor Drew]

I feel like mechanically it makes sense to NOT vote drew here cause cehll voted him and chell could be mafia.

So like statistically that lowers drew's chance of being maf.

what u guys think?

Give me some positive feedback

Both could be mafia? Unless you're scumreading Chell, this response doesn't make sense.

I will give you a spoiler, there is no chance of us both being scum.

Why?

Take a wild guess lol

[Doctor Drew]

the one thing i was worried about was gob/titus being the team but that's clear now

individually gob and titus are just the two towniest slots left

i also think PR wise at least one of Drew or ccs makes sense as mafia

drew's role makes the least sense as a town PR given we already have a mostly useless "verification role" in naerys

I would have fake claimed a role that makes much more sense if I were scum.

Like read the last sentence of your post and really think about how scum would claim.

I have had Flavor Leaf doubting my claims as town the last few games because they seem too much like a 'Drew fake claim'(he has seen me make good fake claims as scum).

Maybe I would just claim VT as scum, but if I claimed a role it 100% of the time would make sense from a town player and balance perspective.

[Doctor Drew]

Taly was always getting limmed yesterday. Why wouldn't a partner vote there?

Why is Drew less scummy than Chell?

Why is Drew more scummy then Chell?

[Doctor Drew]

Taly was always getting limmed yesterday. Why wouldn't a partner vote there?

Why is Drew less scummy than Chell?

Why is Drew more scummy then Chell?

Are you really a doctor irl?

if so you must be smart

I am not.

I only cosplay as one on the internet

[Doctor Drew]

Snivy works at his own pace lol

[Doctor Drew]

What about 3901 "gives you pause"?

I asked about Drew and Chell because that's what's been voted. I still want a straight answer. Drew or Chell, which would you vote if you had to

hard to imagine scum!drew doing that to his partner, no?


if i had to vote those two, Chell. Why not Snivy though.

Drew is def maf if youre not though. Chell or snivy could be maf. I think its more likely drew/titus + chell/snivy.

Snivy i find more scummy than chell. Drew i find less scummy than chell.

However stuff about how drew played gives me pause about him being scum.

gob what

why would you vote me with a 1v1 going on

Why are you so nervous about being voted when said 1v1 is going on?

On that note, why did you make sure I put my vote on Chell when they voted me...... especially as I kept voicing my suspicions of you?

Fuck it, Snivy is very worried about be voted and helped to set this up between Chell and I.

Vote me if you must, but after my flip everyone go after Snivy.

VOTE: Snivy

[Doctor Drew]

drew its elo?

what the fuck are you doing

if youre town unvote right now

Well I did forget about it being elo lol.

But I think you are more likely scum then Chell, and I know for a fact you are more likely scum then me.

Pre Edit: No gambit, I just think you are more likely scum then Chell

[Doctor Drew]

drew you do realize if you AND chell is town scum wouldve quickhammered

There are two scum left, Chell and I were both at E-2.

You think scum would out themselves like that lol?

That would be idiotic of scum to do.

[Doctor Drew]

You're both so towny its like damn, and so was Titus.

So one of you is wolfing me.

Snivy is townie?

[Doctor Drew]

Though now thinking about it, of course both scum could coordinate a quick hammer and just end it here.

Was being a bit tunnely on Snivy there, aka the likely other scum with presumably Chell.

VOTE: Chell

[Doctor Drew]

Unless it is just Titus/Snivy.

Would Titus be so bold to ask for Snivy in the game thread though?

[Doctor Drew]

I have my opinion but I'm hoping for the last town to actually show some signs of life.

Everyone has posted in the last 12 hours

[Doctor Drew]

Yes. That is a factual statement.

I have only posted facts as of late it seems

[Doctor Drew]

Right now, I see Drew/Gob and ccs/Chell.

y would i do what i did with drew here? think about it

u wolfin or somethinf??

Well in a scenario where Titus is town, and objectively speaking Chell and I are probably both not town, and it seems more unlikely I would be scum with Snivy.

Leaves you with a team if you and me.

Not sure why you can't see that viewpoint from townTitus? Even if in reality that would be impossible.

[Doctor Drew]

HURT: Bingle

Kinda lazy to go through my Snivy case and I feel it only makes sense to me anyways

drew also soft-supported the bingle wagon while apparently having a strong scum case on snivy but not wanting to actually push through with it

just every time i look at drew's read on ccs or vice versa it looks like there's some *reason* they don't want to fully push it with each other

it looks like it's all for optics

Extremely soft support, only decided on him because it was between him and someone else I forget.

I also backed off of him when I came to my senses and didn't vote him

[Doctor Drew]

JacksonVirgo replaces gob.

Welcome to the hellfire.

Currently Titus thinks we are scum together, but just play it cool until it blows over.

[Doctor Drew]

JacksonVirgo replaces gob.

Welcome to the hellfire.

Currently Titus thinks we are scum together, but just play it cool until it blows over.

Don't worry, I am of the abyss I will be fine. I would like to tap your brain more though (this goes for everyone)

I think it is clear that Chell is scum(from my perspective, since as pointed out if we were both town then the two scum would have quick hammered one of us by now).

I think Snivy is the more likely other scum.

I don't think it is your slot, Jackson, or Titus.....but I am not super confident in those reads.

[Doctor Drew]

Whenever somebody pops in, quote a post of mine so I get the notif.

hi

this ELO is literally a minefield.

drew i thought this was just your gut feeling? like come on man

also chell also thinking that I am partners with drew because of drew's push on me??

can yall please make sense

One, I agree it is dumb to think we are buddies.....for vastly different reasons that you are pushing.

Two, you are awfully defensive of my 'gut read' on you

[Doctor Drew]

Vote me Snivy, and if you can convince town to vote me as well I will be the first to say GG to you.

[Doctor Drew]

5.06

Votecount 5.06

Doctor Drew (E-2): Chell
Chell (E-2): Doctor Drew

Not Voting (3): camelCasedSnivy, JacksonVirgo, Titus

With 5 players alive, it takes 3 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-12-24 17:31:29).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

How did I not seize the opportunity to take this page top from you, Aaron Burr?

[Doctor Drew]

eh well

ill leave it for now and if either drew unvotes I'm not quickhammered by tomorrow then ill start discussing this again

Snivy not cross-voting Drew here is something to note, not sure what to make of it exactly but looking on either side

If they're wolf, and had the thought that Drew was going to keep their vote there they would have voted Drew outright and crossed it.
If they're wolf with drew, this would have probably been spoken about and would not have been retracted immediately unless of course WIFOM
If they're Town like I believe this makes them, it's just pure mindset and not one that lines up with what I would deem a wolfy mindset.

Drew immediately jumping ship is also something to note. I am gonna sit on that one for a bit though before saying anything (if I even ever do)

Drew/Chell thoughts on what I have "concluded" here? Considering you both seem to think Snivy is a wolf from what I am seeing

ScumSnivy can't vote me right now, that would require someone from town to hammer me and scum wouldn't take that chance......they want to let town make the first move and then pounce as quickly as they can.

Simple as that why Snivy didn't vote me.

Especially in this gamestate, and if I cam correct that Snivy is scum, both Gob and Titus are hemming and hawing about who to vote(or in Titus' case holding who she wants to vote close to her vest).

Snivy cross voting me after I voted him would, especially after I left Chell to vote him, would be too risky not knowing what gob and Titus are thinking.

[Doctor Drew]

Snivy cross voting me after I voted him would, especially after I left Chell to vote him, would be too risky not knowing what gob and Titus are thinking.

Sure, but under the impression that Snivy is a wolf that thinks ur gonna stick with all the "fuck it, after I go flip Snivy" they'd be kinda foolish *not* to vote you back

Scum would be too careful to put me at E-1 there, hell I had a chance to hammer for the scum win one time and I didn't because I wasn't sure of all the details of night actions(not an exact comparison, but best to hold off until you know you can win the game with your vote as scum is my point).

Snivy(or whoever is the last scum), needs to be the last vote on me.

Also, I did a brief iso of gob because of some paranoia growing of some of your wording Jackson lol.......I feel pretty good you are no aligned with Chell if I am wrong about Snivy.

[Doctor Drew]

Snivy cross voting me after I voted him would, especially after I left Chell to vote him, would be too risky not knowing what gob and Titus are thinking.

Sure, but under the impression that Snivy is a wolf that thinks ur gonna stick with all the "fuck it, after I go flip Snivy" they'd be kinda foolish *not* to vote you back

Scum would be too careful to put me at E-1 there, hell I had a chance to hammer for the scum win one time and I didn't because I wasn't sure of all the details of night actions(not an exact comparison, but best to hold off until you know you can win the game with your vote as scum is my point).

Snivy(or whoever is the last scum), needs to be the last vote on me.

Also, I did a brief iso of gob because of some paranoia growing of some of your wording Jackson lol.......I feel pretty good you are no aligned with Chell if I am wrong about Snivy.

Oh, and me not hammering made me 'lock town'

So there is that angle as well.

[Doctor Drew]

Snivy cross voting me after I voted him would, especially after I left Chell to vote him, would be too risky not knowing what gob and Titus are thinking.

Sure, but under the impression that Snivy is a wolf that thinks ur gonna stick with all the "fuck it, after I go flip Snivy" they'd be kinda foolish *not* to vote you back

Scum would be too careful to put me at E-1 there, hell I had a chance to hammer for the scum win one time and I didn't because I wasn't sure of all the details of night actions(not an exact comparison, but best to hold off until you know you can win the game with your vote as scum is my point).

Snivy(or whoever is the last scum), needs to be the last vote on me.

Also, I did a brief iso of gob because of some paranoia growing of some of your wording Jackson lol.......I feel pretty good you are no aligned with Chell if I am wrong about Snivy.

Also who was it that you could have hammered for the win

It was a previous game if I wasn't clear

[Doctor Drew]

Chell what's your current reads on Titus and Snivy independently, and what were they prior to the vote-crossing and I guess end of day 4 as well

titus i currently town read

she was actually a pocket scum read earlier and i thought she was the one most playing for an end game position, but after rereading i think that's not really as true as i thought of earlier days

snivy i think is the most likely partner for drew just based on the way they've danced around scum reading each other all game. I also don't really have any good reasons to town read snivy, although I kind of always have trouble finding reasons to town read snivy

It's more accurate to say Chell and I think Drew is scum but disagree on the third. I'd like that sorted.

Well if you vote me you wouldn't have to worry about figuring out who the third scum is, save you that hassle lol

[Doctor Drew]

Snivy cross voting me after I voted him would, especially after I left Chell to vote him, would be too risky not knowing what gob and Titus are thinking.

Sure, but under the impression that Snivy is a wolf that thinks ur gonna stick with all the "fuck it, after I go flip Snivy" they'd be kinda foolish *not* to vote you back

Scum would be too careful to put me at E-1 there, hell I had a chance to hammer for the scum win one time and I didn't because I wasn't sure of all the details of night actions(not an exact comparison, but best to hold off until you know you can win the game with your vote as scum is my point).

Snivy(or whoever is the last scum), needs to be the last vote on me.

Also, I did a brief iso of gob because of some paranoia growing of some of your wording Jackson lol.......I feel pretty good you are no aligned with Chell if I am wrong about Snivy.

Also who was it that you could have hammered for the win

It was a previous game if I wasn't clear

I see, what about my q about the paranoia

The classic repp into a scum slot and town it up.

I don't believe that to be the case, like I said I do lean town on gob, but you just seem so buttoned up and serious it threw me off a bit lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Wait, Drew. You said you gave gob a brief ISO dive when the reason you were taking a second look was because of how I was acting, why? Why not comment on what I was saying more?

It was what you were saying that wanted me to go back and look if gob was a viable partner for Chell. Again, the paranoia growing from your entrance

Even on a cursory skim through he did not look like a buddy to Chell

[Doctor Drew]

I wish I could have explained my read on Snivy better than I did, but it really was little to do with play and a lot to do with a guy read.

And elo kinda game at a real busy time for me so couldn't really put together much of a proper defense, or solid read outside of Snivy.

Hell, didn't even think Chell was scum until she obviously was lol.