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[Black]

Hi all :3

I'm not sure when I'll get around to reading, the page count is a little daunting. If someone wants to give a brief summary I'll take it otherwise I'm just gonna live post for now

Any clears or claims?

[Black]

I see the Cop is dead and we also killed a goon yesterday. Probably as good a place to start as any

[Black]

139 is pinging me. Specifically, Dragon mentioning that HPE has three scum posts already, while also calling Hu town when she hadn't even done anything at that point. Seems like an informed perspective

VOTE: Dragon

[Black]

Flavor is confirmed vigilante.
Dragoneater has claimed JK, and claimed targeting Flavor last 2 nights. No kills last two nights.
Everybody else has claimed vanilla.

Wait really

Dragon fake claimed JK and also no-killed in a game like a month ago

Dragon are you seriously trying that trick again

[Black]

Pav why is Dragon voting for you if he jailed FL twice in a row and there were no kills?

[Black]

To clarify, dragon claimed spent 2-shot jk on d3 to bait a shot on Flavor, is the claim.
That's unconfirmed of course and could be gambitry, we discussed it a fair bit start of this day.

Dragon's fake claim 2-shot in his scum game I mentioned

I'm having a hard time believing he would fake claim the exact same thing twice in a row but it feels super scummy at first glance

Kinda think we should just flip him

[Black]

Pav why is Dragon voting for you if he jailed FL twice in a row and there were no kills?

I’m conf town

Why?

[Black]

Dragon would have no killed two nights in a row if scum here

Yep, he did it in this game that I keep referencing. And he also called me town super early that game when I hadn't done much, similar to what he did with Hu this game

I'm trying to decide if scum!Dragon would pull the same stunt in games that are so close together

[Black]

139 is pinging me. Specifically, Dragon mentioning that HPE has three scum posts already, while also calling Hu town when she hadn't even done anything at that point. Seems like an informed perspective

VOTE: Dragon

That has been Dragon with Hu Tao the whole game. They did it with Purple as well.

That's concerning

[Black]

Dragon would have no killed two nights in a row if scum here

Yep, he did it in this game that I keep referencing. And he also called me town super early that game when I hadn't done much, similar to what he did with Hu this game

I'm trying to decide if scum!Dragon would pull the same stunt in games that are so close together

Did it work in that game?

Yeah. I ended up throwing by casing everyone but Dragon, and led town down the wrong path a couple times. He was kinda lurky towards the end and there were scummier options from my POV so he snuck out the win

[Black]

Dragon also bussed his teammate gob D1 in that game. Doesn't look like he did that hear but based on the one post I read of his it seems like he could have been setting up a bus position with his HPE read

[Black]

Here*

[Black]

OMG hi Black!

Hi

Are you scum?

[Black]

Another scum post

Dragon I'm having a really hard time believing your scumread on HPE was natural. This was the third post of HPE's you called scummy, and it only had 4 posts

Seems informed to me. Your instinct isn't this good

[Black]

I actually specifically called Dragon for bussing HPE earlier, both on Day 1 when he moved off of HPE when it gained traction, and on Day 3 when he vote sat early. He stopped me from vigging HPE (he had no like true way of knowing, but like…), and by HPE’s play, that one knew they were the fade yesterday

Yeah I think this is scum Dragon tbh. The more I hear the more I want to just flip this.

But Hu Tao and Geraint were both in that game as well, so weird play if scum

I agree here though which gives me doubt, but the whole bussing possiblity feels awful. I really think Dragon's early scumread of HPE feels unnatural

[Black]

Another scum post

Dragon I'm having a really hard time believing your scumread on HPE was natural. This was the third post of HPE's you called scummy, and it only had 4 posts

Seems informed to me. Your instinct isn't this good

What if ir is? Or Alternatively, what if it was just luck?

Also you should keep in mind I had just played a game with scum!HPE like 2 months ago and I felt the vibe of these posts was super similar to that one.

Can you elaborate on this vibe

[Black]

You'll also notice I unvoted HPE, because I acknowledged it was a weak reason, then decided to revote because my gut told me it was correct.

Dragon would have no killed two nights in a row if scum here

Yep, he did it in this game that I keep referencing. And he also called me town super early that game when I hadn't done much, similar to what he did with Hu this game

I'm trying to decide if scum!Dragon would pull the same stunt in games that are so close together

Did it work in that game?

Yes, but my play this game andthat game had been vastly different. In that one I wasn't even efforting.

Are these things supposed to implicate you as town? And iirc you weren't efforting that game because you were super busy IRL. Seems weird for you to try and use that as an argument for different play

[Black]

That's great

That's what I wanted since Day 1

So let's go gera? Or idk maybe Black but I do wanna see if she's gonna change her read or just tunnel and what else she thinks about the game.

I'm going to eventually look at other things but I do think you're scum. And you threatening to discredit my read as tunneling unless I change it doesn't make me feel any better about you

[Black]

Who are your scumreads FL?

[Black]

I will look into Geraint when I get some time later. If you have a post where you summarize your case on them you can link it and I'll start there

[Black]

This is definitely a 3 scum game right?

[Black]

I’m kind of feeling like Black is the play today, if scum, go Geraint, if town, go Dragon tomorrow.

Something feels weird.

Why was Gamma scummy fypov?

[Black]

It feels kinda strange that I seem to be unknowingly tapping into your thought process and yet you don't consider that a sign that I have a town perspective

[Black]

Gamma isn't exactly known to have high accuracy as town, so her pushing townies isn't scum indicative

Anyway I'm town, so you should reconsider your plan today and maybe help me fade scum

[Black]

Gamma was doing the same thing Bingle was doing and trying to not let Hu Tao-FL from town reading each other

I haven't had a chance to look at Gamma's posts but I know she has a personal issue with Hu Tao that has spanned several games, so I wonder if this could have factored in to her scumread

[Black]

139 is pinging me. Specifically, Dragon mentioning that HPE has three scum posts already, while also calling Hu town when she hadn't even done anything at that point. Seems like an informed perspective

VOTE: Dragon

Nope. Dragon is town

Why?

[Black]

That's great

That's what I wanted since Day 1

So let's go gera? Or idk maybe Black but I do wanna see if she's gonna change her read or just tunnel and what else she thinks about the game.

Why are you voting Pav if you don't want to fade Pav?

[Black]

I’m kind of feeling like Black is the play today, if scum, go Geraint, if town, go Dragon tomorrow.

Something feels weird.

I feel like Black would know Dragon's town energy so I'm surprised she scumreads her here. Which makes me think she could just be scum

I've only read like two Dragon posts aside from what he posted since I replaced in

139 is pinging me. Specifically, Dragon mentioning that HPE has three scum posts already, while also calling Hu town when she hadn't even done anything at that point. Seems like an informed perspective

VOTE: Dragon

Nope. Dragon is town

Why?

Dragons vibe as town and scum are completely different.

Can you explain the differences in detail

[Black]

Maybe it's just Dragon/Hu. I'm not really liking her shading me here after a couple of people have already shown interest in voting for me

[Black]

Hu Tao making several posts about how she has anti-partner equity with HPE doesn't feel good. She seems pretty defensive in those posts, like she felt good about not being linked to HPE and then suddenly got accused of it

[Black]

I will look into Geraint when I get some time later. If you have a post where you summarize your case on them you can link it and I'll start there

i think it is because i have been uber-passive in the game and people just can't work me out, and there are not any other really strong options in the game.
I agree that i cannot be allowed to get to the end game (partly because i will vote wrong in the end game) and town will need to sort out my slot, but now is not the time

Hmm. You've been passive in both games I've played with you and you were town, so that's not a read I feel carries much weight

[Black]

Maybe it's just Dragon/Hu. I'm not really liking her shading me here after a couple of people have already shown interest in voting for me

How is it shading if I'm telling you this directly?

Because you're trying to make me look bad for something that isn't scummy. It doesn't matter if you tell me directly or say it in passing. It's shade

[Black]

VOTE: Black

Yeah I think black is just scum

Can you answer 3290

[Black]

VOTE: Black

Yeah I think black is just scum

Can you answer 3290

He's just more engaged and energetic as town. As scum he's frozen, more disconnected from the game. It's like the one game he was scum and fake claimed jk, I called him scum day 1 there. I'm pretty confident in meta reading dragon

Besides Flavorless Hell what other scum games have you read of his?

[Black]

Also are you townreading Dragon for anything other than your meta read?

[Black]

VOTE: Black

Yeah I think black is just scum

Can you answer 3290

He's just more engaged and energetic as town. As scum he's frozen, more disconnected from the game. It's like the one game he was scum and fake claimed jk, I called him scum day 1 there. I'm pretty confident in meta reading dragon

He was one of the most active and engaged posters D1 in that game though. It wasn't until he site flaked due to being busy IRL that he became disconnected. He even admitted post game that he wasn't lurking and was actually busy, so why would you see active and engaged Dragon here and think he's definitely town?

Is your meta read really based solely on Flavorless Hell? If so then your confidence doesn't make any sense to me

VOTE: Black

Yeah I think black is just scum

Can you answer 3290

He's just more engaged and energetic as town. As scum he's frozen, more disconnected from the game. It's like the one game he was scum and fake claimed jk, I called him scum day 1 there. I'm pretty confident in meta reading dragon

Besides Flavorless Hell what other scum games have you read of his?

Not sure. But it's drastically different from the town ones

I think there are certain differences in Dragons town and scum game but I don't think your engaged/disconnected observation is one of them

[Black]

Also are you townreading Dragon for anything other than your meta read?

Yes. I don't see the reason for the no kills here as scum. Especially when there was all scum alive

If he was scum he could easily block and kill flavor early on after claimed d2

That's it? Meta and this wifom argument are the only reasons you townread him?

[Black]

Also are you townreading Dragon for anything other than your meta read?

Yes. I don't see the reason for the no kills here as scum. Especially when there was all scum alive

If he was scum he could easily block and kill flavor early on after claimed d2

That's it? Meta and this wifom argument are the only reasons you townread him?

Wifom? No. I think he's done nothing scummy either.

Are you just going to pretend like my other post doesn't exist? Your meta read doesn't make sense and I want you to explain it better

[Black]

It's fine if you all want to fade me but give me a couple days to try to solve this thing before I go

[Black]

Sorry for low level of content these past few days, I have been feeling burnt out from mafia in general and I also have much less free time than I used to. I do think I will be able to do a more meaningful contribution this evening.

Relatable

Can you go into detail about why Hu is town?

[Black]

Also are you townreading Dragon for anything other than your meta read?

Yes. I don't see the reason for the no kills here as scum. Especially when there was all scum alive

If he was scum he could easily block and kill flavor early on after claimed d2

That's it? Meta and this wifom argument are the only reasons you townread him?

Wifom? No. I think he's done nothing scummy either.

Are you just going to pretend like my other post doesn't exist? Your meta read doesn't make sense and I want you to explain it better

To me it does. Until I read him wrong with it at least

Can you show me other scum games of his where he's disconnected and frozen?

[Black]

No. But like I said he's completely different as town. I've seem him more as town. And you've been in some of those games. Which is why I'm confused

So your entire read is based on Flawless Hell in which he admitted he was disconnected from due to IRL stuff. Do you understand why I think this is a bad meta read?

[Black]

Been there all game, Black.

I don't think it's a real read and she is purposely avoiding going into detail about it

[Black]

Tomorrow I have a lot of free time so I'm going to spend some time looking over HPE interactions

[Black]

@Dragon
@Hu

Why do you scumread Pav?

[Black]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Black]

Been there all game, Black.

I don't think it's a real read and she is purposely avoiding going into detail about it

How is this not a real read? I've explained my read over and over and over. I'm sorry you don't agree with it, but this is how I base my reads. I've not been wrong on him in any of my games.

I've explained over and over and over how it's a bad read and instead of reevaluating you're just ignoring all my points. It doesn't feel like you want to solve for Dragon. That's because you already know his alignment and are committed to the pocket attempt

[Black]

This is scum!Hu

[Black]

This is scum!Hu

What makes my scum meta? When have you ever read me correctly as scum?

I don't base every read on meta like you do. I don't think your read makes sense, and I definitely don't think your confidence in such a bad read feels natural

[Black]

Been there all game, Black.

I don't think it's a real read and she is purposely avoiding going into detail about it

How is this not a real read? I've explained my read over and over and over. I'm sorry you don't agree with it, but this is how I base my reads. I've not been wrong on him in any of my games.

I've explained over and over and over how it's a bad read and instead of reevaluating you're just ignoring all my points. It doesn't feel like you want to solve for Dragon. That's because you already know his alignment and are committed to the pocket attempt

Okay. Since you're new I'll level with you. Tell me why Dragon is scum here then.

I think Dragon might be town actually

You're scum though

[Black]

Why do you scumread Pav?

[Black]

I think it’s admirable of Black to put this effort in, but I do think Black inherently is pushing a scum agenda in a way that makes sense to do in the given gamestate

I'm town

[Black]

If Dragon was scum he would have no reason to no kill 3 nights in a row, especially when no one was sus of him

Do you think this is exclusive to Dragon or do you think there are other players that would no-kill?

[Black]

As scum he could have just blocked and killed flavor and claimed something else to not have spotlight on him.

What do you mean he could have blocked FL if he were scum?

[Black]

If Dragon was scum he would have no reason to no kill 3 nights in a row, especially when no one was sus of him

Do you think this is exclusive to Dragon or do you think there are other players that would no-kill?

I could see flavor doing it as like a gambit if he was in a bad situation and had to as scum. But most players wouldn't.

I'm curious why you seem to think Dragon wouldn't no kill as scum when he did it twice in Flavorless Hell. It wasn't really the optimal play there either and the only person that really suspected him was you

[Black]

So FL is mechanically confirmed?

There's no possible one-shot kill roll with scum in this setup?

[Black]

If Dragon was scum he would have no reason to no kill 3 nights in a row, especially when no one was sus of him

Do you think this is exclusive to Dragon or do you think there are other players that would no-kill?

I could see flavor doing it as like a gambit if he was in a bad situation and had to as scum. But most players wouldn't.

I'm curious why you seem to think Dragon wouldn't no kill as scum when he did it twice in Flavorless Hell. It wasn't really the optimal play there either and the only person that really suspected him was you

HE DID IT TWICE THERE AND HERE.

Okay, we are living in a Dragon or Black scum world.

Tinfoil: we’re living in a Dragon AND Black scum world.

You're all over the place

[Black]

How to tell you’ve never seen a TownFlavor for 500.

To be clear I think town!you would be all over the place. It reminds me of town!me

[Black]

How to tell you’ve never seen a TownFlavor for 500.

To be clear I think town!you would be all over the place. It reminds me of town!me

Gamma actually did say something about how you were all over the place and it made it incredibly difficult for scum to manage.

Yeah they end up trying to push me because my reads fluctuate but that's just something I do as town

It's like I have all these different voices in my head whispering different solves to me and I have a hard time not believing them

[Black]

Pav what is your read on my slot

It feels like you've been entertaining the idea of fading me but not really commiting to it

[Black]

Is there any reason why FL couldn't be a scum JOAT with a Vig shot?

[Black]

@mod: Is it possible for scum to have a JOAT role with a Vig shot in a Simple Normal?

[Black]

Welp there goes that theory

[Black]

This is scum!Hu

What makes my scum meta? When have you ever read me correctly as scum?

This feels like a slimy discredit. I was right about you in DE's game and wrong about you in Flavorless Hell. I'd say 50% isn't so bad

[Black]

Welp there goes that theory

I tied myself in knots on d2 trying to figure out if Flavor could be bullshitting, so I feel your pain

Yeah I think FL is one of those players I'm always going to worry is playing me. He's too good at scum

[Black]

I think Hu is just scum here

I'll dig deeper tomorrow

[Black]

Then why are you shading her for townreading me?

Because I think she knows you're town

Why am I town? If you can give a better reason that Hu Tao then maybe you do have a poiny that she isn't trying to solve me

I'm not convinced you are town but I have started to think that there's no way you try the same stunt as scum in back to back games. It just doesn't seem very likely, especially considering multiple people in this game were in that game too

I'm curious what scum agenda you think I'm pushing though. Show me that this is a real read of yours and not just you latching onto FL in order to misfade me

[Black]

vote black, purple.

Why the fuck are you trying to quick fade me overnight when I said I was going to dig through the thread today?

[Black]

Flavor it'd be nice if you answer questions such as "should I jail you" or "why does my alignmwnt somehow relate to Black's"

eh dont feel like it.

done with this day phase. you should probs jail me.

Geraint/Black looking so likely LOL

Geraint voting alongside their main scum read Pav is baaaaaaaad. Purely a saving Black vote.

I'm pissed that you somehow ended up tunneled on me despite the likelihood that I have a town perspective this game

To everyone not named FL, y'all have to consider not letting this dude be the town leader. If Dragon is town then he's leading you all into two misfades here. You can't win by following FL

[Black]

I have some things to do for the next couple of hours then I'm going to look through HPE interactions

[Black]

Actually fuck it. I'm not going to put in the work

Fade me. After I flip I want you to do two things:

1) Make your own decisions and stop listening to FL
2) Fade Hu Tao

[Black]

I'm curious what scum agenda you think I'm pushing though. Show me that this is a real read of yours and not just you latching onto FL in order to misfade me

I thought saying Hu Tao is scum for TRing me is a scum agenda since it basically undermines the town core that I have tried very hard to have and finally managed to get.

I haven't even read the game

If I am undermining your towncore then it was done accidently. There is no agenda here

[Black]

If you convince Flavor to vote Pav I'll vote Pav.

Why are you still sheeping Flavor around? I think it's obvious just from the last several pages that his reads can't be trusted

[Black]

Why are you still sheeping Flavor around? I think it's obvious just from the last several pages that his reads can't be trusted

I am not sheeping him?

How is saying "if you can convince person whose vote I need to kill Pav, to kill Pav, I'll happily kill Pav" sheeping Flavor?

I read it as you trust FL and won't vote for Pav unless he does

I don't see why FL has to vote Pav when several others could instead

[Black]

Maybe this is me not understanding the game state but why do you think you need FL's vote to fade Pav?

[Black]

Look if you can wagon Pav without Leaf ramming over you, be my guest. I am NOT trying that.

I don't give a fuck about FL

Bro is so lost in the sauce that it will be a miracle if he can lead town to victory here

[Black]

The only thing really pinging me about Pav is his wishy-washy read on me. It feels like he is keeping his options open to vote me if he needs to

I would much rather fade Hu Tao but I will go Pav if it means I get to live

[Black]

I don't really have the motivation to read through the thread atm. It's pretty disheartening replacing in and immediately having 3 people jump on me. I think Hu's vote is by far the worst but no one seems to really want to follow me there today

[Black]

If you convince Flavor to vote Pav I'll vote Pav.

Why are you still sheeping Flavor around? I think it's obvious just from the last several pages that his reads can't be trusted

Fwiw, this is exactly what Maestro said when I caught them

You've caught town. Congratulations

[Black]

More votes on Hu please

[Black]

More votes on Hu please

Sorry if you're town but I don't think you are here

I don't think you've put a lot of thought into this read at all

[Black]

I didn't realize you were scumreading Gamma. I guess that makes me feel a little better

Can you talk about your scumread on her?

[Black]

Joyboy was the original slot and I scumread them day 1

Ok so you haven't put a lot of thought into the read

I don't understand how anyone can get a definitive read on Joyboy

Nothing on Gamma? Nothing on me?

Use your words. It's pretty annoying how you just post short sentences all the time

[Black]

Why are people fine with letting Hu get by with lazy ass reads

[Black]

It's pretty annoying how you just post short sentences all the time

Facts. But that's NAI with them..

Yeah, I know. She recently said she was going to start explaining herself more, claiming she was a changed woman

[Black]

I shouldn't have to write more than a sentence all the time

You don't have to, but when someone is asking you about your reads it would be beneficial to everyone trying to sort you if you explained yourself

[Black]

...

That's it? You think my slot is scum because Joyboy wanted to policy fade someone?

[Black]

You've got to be kidding me

[Black]

Hu's confidence in this read (as well as her read on Dragon) makes zero sense. She's just scum here

[Black]

DragonEater70 - locked town

[Black]

More votes on Hu, please

[Black]

It makes 0 sense for Dragon to play the way he has as scum. He'd basically be playing against his win con. I'm never voting Dragon. If he's scum congrats but never happening

Is it just the no-kill theory or is there more to this read?

[Black]

So what is your theory with the no kills then

[Black]

Once I'm faded FL is going to try to get you all to fade Dragon tomorrow

Do not do this

[Black]

Once I'm faded FL is going to try to get you all to fade Dragon tomorrow

Do not do this

yeah, the tone deaf in this is really not a good look.

Acting like I haven't been actively looking into every single slot in the game every single day phase.

I don't really care if you think it looks good or not. I think you are wrong about Dragon and I don't think you should be leading the town

[Black]

Here’s my idea:

Fade Black. Dragon jails me either way. If she’s town, fade Dragon.

If she’s scum, same thing.

Let’s go Black->Dragon.

If Dragon is ever blocked to get me killed, i will get a vig shot.

Kill Dragon if Black is town.

Weird plan to try and push through if you are hard townreading Dragon

[Black]

And when Dragon/Hu/Myself lined up last time, we hit scum.

I had hit them the night before with my vig, but somebody had to stop my kill, but we got it anyways.

What is your theory about no one dying two nights in a row?

[Black]

Have I mentioned I hate this game?

I swear on my rug, if Hu Tao is scum here...

VOTE: Black I hate to lim somebody who just repped in but I'm gonna sheep it, y'all can scumread me for it tomorrow. If this flips red it'll be worth it

Who's the other scum with HT, Black?

You

[Black]

I'm VT

Have fun following Flavor to a loss townies

[Black]

Mmhmm

[Black]

You started the wagon and actively recruited people to it. This misfade is on your hands

[Black]

Pick a new leader tomorrow, townies. FL is a lot better at scum than he is town

[Black]

Fade Hu Tao tomorrow. And don't listen to FL no matter what he says, unless he says to fade Hu Tao

[Black]

Fade Hu Tao tomorrow. And don't listen to FL no matter what he says, unless he says to fade Hu Tao

I spent like 3/4 of this day phase pushing to fade Hu Tao, is this real life?

Good. Do it tomorrow too

[Black]

She did speak in a scummy way
But she also just joined, so it's a bit strange to me

Just hammer me bro. This game is miserable

[Black]

FL is tunnelled on me despite me mindmelding with earlier thoughts he had

Hu Tao is giving the laziest reads I've ever seen and no one is batting an eye

Dragon is voting me for ???

And the rest of you are just twiddling your thumbs

Get me outta here

[Black]

I'm town. But I think you know that Pav

[Black]

Later nerds

I'm town

[Black]

Ah ha, I see what you're doing there

No, I think there's a decent chance you flip green but we're getting nowhere

What the fuck???

FADE THIS AFTER HU

[Black]

I dont think we win this, but i was done with this day phase like before Black came in.

The loss will be on you, brah

[Black]

There's gotta be a way FL is scum here. Something mechanical that everyone is overlooking. Feels too agenda driven

[Black]

There's gotta be a way FL is scum here. Something mechanical that everyone is overlooking. Feels too agenda driven

I just don't think you have the scope of the game, and where we are at on a mental, physical, and emotional level here.

See how hard you pushed Hu Tao?

I was doing that for a month.

Which makes the fact that you didn't even bat an eye when I was pushing her even weirder

[Black]

and if Dragon/Hu Tao are scum together, they won by tiring us out so much.

there's really not a scenario where im gonna feel bad if town lose here unless it's Geraint/Purple.

Either of these scenarios will have me blind with rage

I dont see how anyone could think I'm leading this day phase.

i was literally all over the place, where was i leading people to

You literally led them to misfade me

[Black]

After saying multiple times that I was saying stuff/pushing stuff that you were also saying/pushing

That should have been a huge green flag that I was town

But no. Somehow you got tunnelled on me, which I still don't understand, and recruited people to fade me

[Black]

FL if you are town then you dropped the ball here. Plain and simple

[Black]

and if Dragon/Hu Tao are scum together, they won by tiring us out so much.

there's really not a scenario where im gonna feel bad if town lose here unless it's Geraint/Purple.

Either of these scenarios will have me blind with rage

I dont see how anyone could think I'm leading this day phase.

i was literally all over the place, where was i leading people to

You literally led them to misfade me

they were pushing you and pav before you got into the game, Black.

i feel like you clearly just dont know this gamestate.

It was Pav and Me versus Dragon and Hu Tao for the longest time. Gamma was on both sides of it.

I actively stated I would only go Dragon/Hu Tao/Purple this day phase.

And I didn't have it in my to iron hand that. I compromised.

I cased you, yeah, but i cased everyone this day phase. i pushed everyone this day phase.

I had zero votes when I replaced in. You started the wagon and actively tried to convince others to join

[Black]

Alright I'm done

Goodnight and good luck town

[Black]

is it bad i kinda hope Black's town? like a scum flip is GREAT, but if Black is town, it shows I was probably on the right track this day phase.

I think that will really get my spirit back in this game, cuz i have been on autopilot since before Black showed up.

god, i hope Black's scum, lol

Bro cut the theatre

It's time for you to start thinking in a town!Black world. I have no reason to lie here

[Black]

GG! Well played everyone

I think I could have gotten Hu Tao faded if I had lived longer. Might have been hard to pull Dragon out of the pocket though

[Black]

@Dragon - biggest thing that was a big tell was you couldn’t explain anything with the Hu Tao town read other than meta.

And that’s been a big reason the past few years I have gone on record saying Meta is supplementary, especially when you only have a limited amount.

Dragon played well, Hu Tao played Dragon better.

Absolutely. I think some players rely on meta a bit too much and it ends up hurting their read accuracy