Mini Normal 2333 | woah that's a lot of 3's | It's Gypover !

[Hu Tao]

Hi.

[Hu Tao]

Hi.

Sus!

[Hu Tao]

Hmm. I have no gut reads so far

[Hu Tao]

Hmm. I have no gut reads so far

Let's lim Hu Tao

Edit: @Nurse, you were correct to infer that I was eager to get some wagons going, but the rest was stretching it

Because I have no reads?

[Hu Tao]

I think y'all are putting too much emphasis on the justification behind votes when most of them are just vibes and gut

the game is still in the figuring-out-each-others phase so I'm not really expecting any vote to be based on a solid foundation. That's not to say I'm not looking for anything though, as for what I'm looking for... I'm not telling you right now

Why say this but complain when I have none?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Hu Tao

why so defensive

Holy projection

[Hu Tao]

Doesn’t seem all that defensive. Are you projecting?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: yessireee

Couldn't explain so they got defensive

[Hu Tao]

So, what, you're wanting some wagons to develop?

Sounds a bit suss to me.

Wagons are a valuable tool for hunting scum.

yessiree seems town to me.

+scum

I agree. If yess is town I could see Brian soft defending as scum here

[Hu Tao]

Current reads, not ordered with in categories since I don't have the braincells for it rn:

TOWN
Smiley
Random Nurse
Greeting
Hu Tao

NULL
PenguinPower
KayJayQueue

MIXED
Political Clout
Titus
davesaz
yessiree

SCUM
Brian Skies
BlackStar

Surprisingly even spread all things considered

Why am I town

[Hu Tao]

I'm so lost as to why someone claimed

[Hu Tao]

Just on this page, I see a claim of hider but I don't necessarily believe it. Different roles can fake claim. For instance, a doctor may want to fake being a hider particularly if weak.

I'm so lost as to why someone claimed

Also i'm pretty sure no one's explicitly claimed yet btw, Yessiree has theorized that PC claimed Hider, though they haven't confirmed or denied that yet.

Spoiler: hider soft for prosperity

are you

hiding

something smileyman?

Eh, just engaging in some light-hearted banter tis all.

I think I believe you maybe tbd. but are you

hiding

something?

it was yeah.

why? trying to be my fren? or trying to be anyones fren? or trying to be everyone's fren?

Would you consider it scummy if I was trying to do the above though. If so, why?

I would think you are

hiding

a pr. your entrance suggests eagerness your consecutives posts suggests stealth and trying to blend in. Your deflection suggests slight annoyance at me.

that was not a crumb tho, I think it was a straight up claim

Okay I understand now

[Hu Tao]

I'm so lost as to why someone claimed

I'm confused as to why this is being discussed in the first place?

Same

[Hu Tao]

I'll catch up later

[Hu Tao]

I'll quickly hammer whichever gets to e-1

[Hu Tao]

Greeting you are a double voter. Vote one of the 2 and I'll quickly hammer.

I'd say Random too but he probably won't do it

[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

StraightFlush fell for the bait. So he's probably scum.

I'm going to say Dave/StraightFlush/????

[Hu Tao]

StraightFlush fell for the bait. So he's probably scum.

I'm going to say Dave/StraightFlush/????

If dave and I are scummates, that was some pretty clumsy distancing from him earlier when he accused me of slipping for no reason

So you refute that you and Dave are partners but not that you’re scum. Noted!

GOT EM

[Hu Tao]

Straightflush/yessireee prob has at least 1 scum

[Hu Tao]

i can't recall anything that user has said or done

Studies show that blueberries, avocados, leafy greens, fatty fish and eggs help improve memory. Also you could look at my ISO.

LMAO

[Hu Tao]

Okay I'm going back to my read of Brian might be scum if Yessir is town. So I'm OK with voting out Brian

VOTE: brian

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

Actually nvm for now

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Straightflush

[Hu Tao]

StraightFlush fell for the bait. So he's probably scum.

I'm going to say Dave/StraightFlush/????

To be clear, HT you are implying that you took issue with Straight's 369 response to your 346 right?

Yes

[Hu Tao]

Straightflush/yessireee prob has at least 1 scum

Okay I'm going back to my read of Brian might be scum if Yessir is town. So I'm OK with voting out Brian

VOTE: brian

UNVOTE:

Actually nvm for now

this makes sense

It does. In my mind.

[Hu Tao]

Straightflush/yessireee prob has at least 1 scum

What's the connection between these two?

They are my 2 scum reads

[Hu Tao]

We have a little under 2 days

[Hu Tao]

I need to be someone’s butler. Can I pretend this is botc? Who wants to let me serve them so I don’t have to think about my vote lol I don’t know why I’m finding this particular game so difficult to get a good read on.

Who would you say you trust most right now. When in doubt sheep a townread?

Spoiler: rambling

(i'm actually going through a slight mini-crisis with the above advice right now. Cause obviously i'd prefer you stand behind your own take cause it makes you easier to read, so my gut doesn't want to suggest you just sheep someone, but my brain says suggesting you do this still gleans useful info for later while making it easier to engage now. Anyways this is a bit of a irrelevant ramble so i'm probs just going to spoiler this.

I trust no one.

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[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

21 hours

[Hu Tao]

Killing on wagon? Hm

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: yessiree

[Hu Tao]

Why not? I've scumread them since day 1

[Hu Tao]

And bad end of day

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: yessiree

You might well have been cooking day 1

LET HER COOK!

[Hu Tao]

I'll catch up later

[Hu Tao]

Yes. Eliminate them

[Hu Tao]

Doesn’t seem all that defensive. Are you projecting?

StraightFlush fell for the bait. So he's probably scum.

I'm going to say Dave/StraightFlush/????

If dave and I are scummates, that was some pretty clumsy distancing from him earlier when he accused me of slipping for no reason

So you refute that you and Dave are partners but not that you’re scum. Noted!

GOT EM

i can't recall anything that user has said or done

Studies show that blueberries, avocados, leafy greens, fatty fish and eggs help improve memory. Also you could look at my ISO.

LMAO

I need to be someone’s butler. Can I pretend this is botc? Who wants to let me serve them so I don’t have to think about my vote lol I don’t know why I’m finding this particular game so difficult to get a good read on.

Who would you say you trust most right now. When in doubt sheep a townread?

Spoiler: rambling

(i'm actually going through a slight mini-crisis with the above advice right now. Cause obviously i'd prefer you stand behind your own take cause it makes you easier to read, so my gut doesn't want to suggest you just sheep someone, but my brain says suggesting you do this still gleans useful info for later while making it easier to engage now. Anyways this is a bit of a irrelevant ramble so i'm probs just going to spoiler this.

I trust no one.

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VOTE: yessiree

You might well have been cooking day 1

LET HER COOK!

Only interactions with Kay. While I also responded to the jokes this feels like she’s pocketing Kay specifically.

You caught me. Now help me bus my teammate yessiree

[Hu Tao]

Titus is probably town. JV what are your thoughts on Yessiree?

[Hu Tao]

Hu is this the game you finally get me back lol I know it’s coming but I want to remain blissfully ignorant until it happens.

Not yet

[Hu Tao]

Yes. Eliminate them

Scum case me

Day 1 end. Case closed bucko

[Hu Tao]

Titus seems like obv town to me here

[Hu Tao]

I want to pivot to Hu Tao, it’s tempting

[Hu Tao]

I'm also fine with a straightflush elim

[Hu Tao]

Hmmm

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: yessiree

[Hu Tao]

Quick someone hammer please

[Hu Tao]

I have a theory about something, but I don’t have much confidence right now because I was so wrong before

If it’s not something that might out an asset to the town, I’d love to hear the theory. Sometimes 3 heads on a thought are better than 1. Anything could be helpful, even if we end up deciding it’s not correct. It still eliminates a possibility, you know?

Well, JacksonVirgo made multiple posts where he expressed suspicion of Hu Tao. And now he’s been killed. So I can’t help wondering if he was onto something and Hu Tao wanted to shut him up.

That’s pretty flimsy though

Terrible

[Hu Tao]

I have a theory about something, but I don’t have much confidence right now because I was so wrong before

If it’s not something that might out an asset to the town, I’d love to hear the theory. Sometimes 3 heads on a thought are better than 1. Anything could be helpful, even if we end up deciding it’s not correct. It still eliminates a possibility, you know?

Well, JacksonVirgo made multiple posts where he expressed suspicion of Hu Tao. And now he’s been killed. So I can’t help wondering if he was onto something and Hu Tao wanted to shut him up.

That’s pretty flimsy though

Aldo why bring me up and not the person he was actually voting? Sus

[Hu Tao]

Also*

[Hu Tao]

Titus seems like obv town to me here

I agree

Hmm maybe Titus didn't act one of the nights and why he agreed with this

[Hu Tao]

can i get a claim there, yessiree?

This kinda seems like scum wanting their partner to fake claim

[Hu Tao]

All 3 people who didn't vote yess are sus tbh.

[Hu Tao]

It doesn't clear her. Just an observation. I personally think she's town anyway

[Hu Tao]

I hope that wasn't our cop role this game. Cause it's not the most helpful role until later game.

[Hu Tao]

Hmmmmm

[Hu Tao]

Well thats just a terrible vote

[Hu Tao]

Blackstar can you tell me why you scumread me?

[Hu Tao]

Blackstar can you tell me why you scumread me?

Since this day started you've been trying to cast doubt on literally everyone but you're not fully committing to it. It seems like you're testing the waters to see who most people suspect the most and then you'll join that side

Titus seems like obv town to me here

I agree

Hmm maybe Titus didn't act one of the nights and why he agreed with this

can i get a claim there, yessiree?

This kinda seems like scum wanting their partner to fake claim

All 3 people who didn't vote yess are sus tbh.

Why do you think me and yessiree are teamed?

[Hu Tao]

Titus is town

[Hu Tao]

I think it's her town game, could be wrong but yeah

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: penguin

[Hu Tao]

Titus what are your thoughts on pingu

[Hu Tao]

Interesting?

Anyway. Why did yall rush that at the end after he claimed?

[Hu Tao]

I agree waiting for the replacement was optimal but whatever. So his results were enchant vanilla and was blocked when targeting Kay or Kay is some kind of ascetic. Correct?

[Hu Tao]

I think we should just wait for everyone to post, it's possible we have a role blocker who blocked scum, they should just claim if so

[Hu Tao]

No one should vote until everyone claims. Titus can go first

[Hu Tao]

Yeah I actually don't buy Blackstar's claim. Doesn't make sense. It would mean there are 2 role blockers?

[Hu Tao]

Wait I just remembered something

[Hu Tao]

I have a theory about something, but I don’t have much confidence right now because I was so wrong before

If it’s not something that might out an asset to the town, I’d love to hear the theory. Sometimes 3 heads on a thought are better than 1. Anything could be helpful, even if we end up deciding it’s not correct. It still eliminates a possibility, you know?

Well, JacksonVirgo made multiple posts where he expressed suspicion of Hu Tao. And now he’s been killed. So I can’t help wondering if he was onto something and Hu Tao wanted to shut him up.

That’s pretty flimsy though

I have a theory about something, but I don’t have much confidence right now because I was so wrong before

If it’s not something that might out an asset to the town, I’d love to hear the theory. Sometimes 3 heads on a thought are better than 1. Anything could be helpful, even if we end up deciding it’s not correct. It still eliminates a possibility, you know?

Well, JacksonVirgo made multiple posts where he expressed suspicion of Hu Tao. And now he’s been killed. So I can’t help wondering if he was onto something and Hu Tao wanted to shut him up.

That’s pretty flimsy though

Aldo why bring me up and not the person he was actually voting? Sus

I town read Titus. I’m unsure about you

VOTE: Hu Tao

Why would you roleblock your townread and not me your scumread?

[Hu Tao]

Tinfoil hat time - BlackStar and Titus are teamed and this is to get us to trust BlackStar until end of game once Titus flips red.

Nah. I think Titus is town here. Makes no sense to bus here. Cause it would look bad if he didn't die tomorrow.

[Hu Tao]

Enchant is probably town by being the vanilla result from Pingu. I don't think scum has 2 goons since we have strong power roles so far.

[Hu Tao]

Kay is highly likely town from play as well.

[Hu Tao]

It's just Blackstar and Brian. Eliminate one after the other imo

[Hu Tao]

I think Blackstar quilted Titus thinking she was the role blocker who blocked him.

[Hu Tao]

Guilted*

[Hu Tao]

I'm probably dying tonight since I already solved the game. So just make sure you vote out Brian tomorrow after Blackstar flips scum.

VOTE: Blackstar

[Hu Tao]

Can someone please tell me why Titus is town though? I’ve felt she’s scum since D1 so please help me lol

I think she's kinda just checked out from the game. I also think that what I said was accurate earlier. At that point Titus was the only one who hasn't talked yet and there was no night kill. Meaning it's likely scum was blocked. When I mentioned this possibility and we should wait for everyone to claim, BlackStar immediately realized he could be guilty from a role blocker and tried to preemptively claim a guilty on Titus, assuming she was the role blocker. So that makes them unaligned. I also think it would no sense for there to be 2 role blockers in this game. We know there is another since Pingu said he was blocked targeting you and BlackStar claimed not to block Pingu that night. (He also conveniently had results of those dead or confirmed vanilla)

On a side note We have 4 town PRs this game it seems, so it's likely last 2 scum are PR. Which means Enchant being a vanilla result means he's pretty much conf town. I also hard Town read you. Leaving only B&B as mafia.

[Hu Tao]

3 are dead. And there was no kill last night so that means we have 1 more remaining that stopped the scum kill somehow

[Hu Tao]

Last pr shouldnt even claim. I'm assuming it's you or Titus though. I guess if Brian is the PR that changes things. But I think Brian is just scum.

[Hu Tao]

If you're not the pr don't say anything so scum is confused.

[Hu Tao]

Maybe but it leaves open a situation where there would have to be a no kill tomorrow as well if Titus and Blackstar were teamed. Which would give town an extra elimination by making it 5 players remaining. That's also why I think Titus is town.

[Hu Tao]

Right

[Hu Tao]

Why did the game die

[Hu Tao]

Titus and Kay can you vote Blackstar

[Hu Tao]

I know Enchant won't vote yet, so no reason to ask him.

[Hu Tao]

Okay. No need to drag this on any longer

[Hu Tao]

I'm a rolestopper. I stopped Kay last night, so she's clear.

It's clear BlackStar thought there was a role blocker and tried to fake guilty Titus thinking she was the role blocker, so she's very likely town

[Hu Tao]

Wait. I messed up LOL

[Hu Tao]

I rolestopped Titus last night. So she's the clear one

[Hu Tao]

I almost threw. But I still think Kay is town here. But let's actually not rush this

UNVOTE:

[Hu Tao]

I need to make sure Kay is likely town still. Give me a few moments

[Hu Tao]

N1 Kay
N2 PC
N3 Kay
N4 Titus

These are my targets. My role is confirmed since N3 there was no action on Kay.

[Hu Tao]

I'm also indecisive so i could target the same person twice in a row.

[Hu Tao]

I'm actually surprised Titus was the night kill. I forgot i did Titus last night since I couldn't do Kay again. Which actually makes me worried about Kay slightly. Especially since she was fence sitting

[Hu Tao]

I'm a rolestopper. I stopped Kay last night, so she's clear.

It's clear BlackStar thought there was a role blocker and tried to fake guilty Titus thinking she was the role blocker, so she's very likely town

Wait. I messed up LOL

I rolestopped Titus last night. So she's the clear one

This is a pretty desperate attempt to save your partner. You can't even keep your story straight

It may have worked on penguin but not here bucko

[Hu Tao]

My role is confirmed, yours is not.

[Hu Tao]

Enchant, what do you think about Kay vs Brian. I'm suddenly torn. I thought the game was solved but there is a chance Kay could be scum.

[Hu Tao]

I'm a rolestopper. I stopped Kay last night, so she's clear.

It's clear BlackStar thought there was a role blocker and tried to fake guilty Titus thinking she was the role blocker, so she's very likely town

Wait. I messed up LOL

I rolestopped Titus last night. So she's the clear one

This is a pretty desperate attempt to save your partner. You can't even keep your story straight

It may have worked on penguin but not here bucko

What worked on penguin?

My role is confirmed, yours is not.

It's confirmed that someone blocked Penguin. It's not confirmed that you're town

This is a slip btw

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao has been saying all this time that there aren't 2 people with blocking abilities and she claimed VT before. Now that things are turning against Titus she completely changes her story and claims night actions that make both her and Titus look good. It couldn't be more obvious that she's lying

Another slip

[Hu Tao]

My role IS confirmed. You can't say my claim is fake.

Your mistake was not claiming you roleblocked penguin.

[Hu Tao]

And I like how you keep trying to sweep you mistake about who you "rolestopped" under the rug

Penguin also made a mistake, I'm guessing he's my partner?

[Hu Tao]

Brian what are your thoughts?

[Hu Tao]

Why did you wait until now to claim to be a rolestopper?

I had to think of a good fake claim sorry

[Hu Tao]

Enchant, what do you think about Kay vs Brian. I'm suddenly torn. I thought the game was solved but there is a chance Kay could be scum.

I’m not seeing it

Not seeing what

[Hu Tao]

There won't be a role blocker and rolestopper in the same game here. It would be too swingy with our PRs that have flipped. My role is confirmed. So blackstar is scum.

[Hu Tao]

Penguins action n3 was confirmed blocked. He said so.

[Hu Tao]

If I get eliminated over the person who claimed to roleblock their town read, I lose faith in mafiascum

[Hu Tao]

Neither Brian or Kay have done anything to get me to townread them. It's sad. And tomorrow I rely on you to figure that out enchant

[Hu Tao]

I hate stalling games. BlackStar is pretty much caught scum. Roleblocker and rolestopper are not existing in the same game let's be real. And my role.is confirmed. There is no reason to over think this

[Hu Tao]

Did you leave crumbs or something from which we would figure out who you targeted?

I could search but i am bad about it.

I never soft

[Hu Tao]

But I did role stop my town reads each night

[Hu Tao]

Reminder. The "roleblocker" said this about me. But did not roleblock me last night. And instead "roleblocked" his town read titus

Blackstar can you tell me why you scumread me?

Since this day started you've been trying to cast doubt on literally everyone but you're not fully committing to it. It seems like you're testing the waters to see who most people suspect the most and then you'll join that side

Titus seems like obv town to me here

I agree

Hmm maybe Titus didn't act one of the nights and why he agreed with this

can i get a claim there, yessiree?

This kinda seems like scum wanting their partner to fake claim

All 3 people who didn't vote yess are sus tbh.

[Hu Tao]

Also wait I just realized something. Since my role is confirmed is rolestopper above role blocker in action resolution? If so, that means if we want to live in fantasy land that Blackstar is a role blocker and targeted Titus, and I targeted Titus, my action would go first. Which means his role block would be stopped. And I would be the reason for the no kill last night.

Which would confirm me as town correct? Since my role is already confirmed by penguin.

[Hu Tao]

I agree waiting for the replacement was optimal but whatever. So his results were enchant vanilla and was blocked when targeting Kay or Kay is some kind of ascetic. Correct?

I guess this is kinda a soft since my role basically makes someone an ascetic

[Hu Tao]

Oh right. I forgot about yessiree. No chance I'm scum with them this game. I can't believe this is a discussion still

[Hu Tao]

Good luck figuring that out tomorrow between Brian and Kay. They both just fence sit.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: blackstar

Who is going to be the first to vote scum

[Hu Tao]

Besides me. And Titus

[Hu Tao]

Yes. I tried to bait whoever scum was into thinking I was VT so they would be caught. Because I only knew that I stopped the kill, not who did the kill. So I tried to make them think someone would guilty them. Which forced them to claim

[Hu Tao]

N1 Kay
N2 PC
N3 Kay
N4 Titus

These are my targets. My role is confirmed since N3 there was no action on Kay.

Can you explain your reasoning for your choices each night?


Also - do you really think I could be bad this game? If you believe BlackStar is scum because of your role and his claim, do you think I am partnered with him?

Well you had me as lock town until today when it matters so it's sus. And I targeted my townreads

[Hu Tao]

I have another question, if we believe Hu Tao that Titus was supposed to be the kill. What do you think the reasoning for that kill is? Did everyone think Titus was for sure town? I know I didn’t.

I expected you to die. But couldn't target you. So it's also kinda sus that they went for titus. But it could be cause they thought you couldn't be targeted.

[Hu Tao]

That is fair. Claims aside, who do you think was scum yesterday

[Hu Tao]

I have another question, if we believe Hu Tao that Titus was supposed to be the kill. What do you think the reasoning for that kill is? Did everyone think Titus was for sure town? I know I didn’t.

I expected you to die. But couldn't target you.

Indecisive?

Yes I claimed that earlier

[Hu Tao]

That is fair. Claims aside, who do you think was scum yesterday

I thought the last two were within: Penguin, BlackStar and Titus. I was surprised at the flip. But more surprised at the no kill at night.

So if your biggest townread is clearing Titus, and Penguin is dead. Blackstar is all that's left

[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

Kay, I think they are just hoping that since you're new that you'll vote Titus today. I know you're probably scumreading Titus based on activity, but that's not how to read her. You need to read her posts and see if they make sense to you. Like why she's doing what she did

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Random Nurse

Random bs penguin that order

Like she's clearly checked out this game. She's not scum tho

[Hu Tao]

Dannflor replaces Titus !

Thank God

[Hu Tao]

Kay, I think they are just hoping that since you're new that you'll vote Titus today. I know you're probably scumreading Titus based on activity, but that's not how to read her. You need to read her posts and see if they make sense to you. Like why she's doing what she did

Strange appeal.

It's especially strange because Hu Tao was saying that she thinks Kay or Brian Skies could be scum but in this post she's acting as if she knows Kay is town

I was actually saying that to see what Brian would do. I've obviously been townreading Kay since like day 1

[Hu Tao]

Dannflor replaces Titus !

This is going to lose us the game if Titus is scum because Dann is too good and will inevitably talk me out of voting that way. If Titus is town, we win.

I hate this lol

Best part is I don't have to try to read Dann for once and know he's town

[Hu Tao]

Black Star what is your rationale for why Hu Tao counter claimed you again

She didn’t counter claim. I claimed roleblocker and she claimed rolestopper. After I made my claim, Penguin’s lack of result on Kay was still unexplained. Hu Tao knew that it would be easy to decrease my credibility by pointing out that I didn’t claim a night action on Penguin.

Mentioning that wasn’t enough to completely turn the town against me so she finally had no choice but to admit that she blocked Penguin and hope that people would believe that he was town aligned over me. She claimed rolestopper instead of roleblocker because it would allow her to claim to have protected you. It was a move that could save the entire scum team

the logic here is wrong. Because if I said I roleblocked you it would still lead to the same scenario

[Hu Tao]

BlackStar teammate?

oh it's probably you

He's probably clear btw. Enchant has a vanilla result on him. We have 4 pr. I don't think there is 2 goons

[Hu Tao]

Unless you can think of an ultra strong PR. And even in that case Scum can't multitask. And because of this, Blackstar had to be the one to do the kill because of the claim. So if there was a scum goon it was likely BlackStar not Enchant. I just think mechanically he's town.

[Hu Tao]

BlackStar teammate?

oh it's probably you

He's probably clear btw. Enchant has a vanilla result on him. We have 4 pr. I don't think there is 2 goons

Btw if me and him were scum I would have talked over all this already. This should make it clear we aren't linked. I do wish I could be scum with Dann one day, but sadly this game is not the game.

[Hu Tao]

why can't there be 2 goons + roleblocker

I don't think that's strong enough. But anyway I just laid out why Blackstar is likely the other goon if there is one because scum can't multitask. Goon would be making the kill

[Hu Tao]

And since we have a Reporter PR, I doubt there would be only 1 mafia pr. Idk.

[Hu Tao]

Well you're probably better understanding balance than me, I'm bad at it but idk I just see 1 goon not 2 here.

[Hu Tao]

Unless you can think of an ultra strong PR. And even in that case Scum can't multitask. And because of this, Blackstar had to be the one to do the kill because of the claim. So if there was a scum goon it was likely BlackStar not Enchant. I just think mechanically he's town.

why did blackstar have to be the one to do the kill

im sorry if im being dumb but im not following

Scum can't multitask. There was no night kill do scum likely assumed they were role blocked. So I'm assuming the scum that made the night kill claimed role blocker. Because if not, the actual town roleblocker could out both scums by result and cc. So because of all this. I think goon made a kill and mafia PR would use whatever PR they have. That's why i think if anything Blackstar would be the goon

[Hu Tao]

So*

[Hu Tao]

Funniest part is Blackstar claims that he roleblocked you, but he hard TR your slot yesterday

[Hu Tao]

I trust Dann and enchant to get it right tomorrow. Personally I think it's Brian.

[Hu Tao]

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Vanilla Townie

Welcome to Mini Normal 2333 ! you are a

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Please confirm by stating your role, alignement, and whether the mafia has inherent multitasking or not

[Hu Tao]

Let me quickly check why I Town read Kay earlier

[Hu Tao]

I think y'all are putting too much emphasis on the justification behind votes when most of them are just vibes and gut

the game is still in the figuring-out-each-others phase so I'm not really expecting any vote to be based on a solid foundation. That's not to say I'm not looking for anything though, as for what I'm looking for... I'm not telling you right now

Why say this but complain when I have none?

VOTE: Hu Tao

why so defensive

Doesn’t seem all that defensive. Are you projecting?

I don't agree with you, let's fight

Oh right I thought this was anti partnery. Thoughts?

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

Okay I'll wait then

[Hu Tao]

My current scumpool is yessiree, penguin, Titus and an outside maybe of BlackStar. I haven’t hidden these reads, I don’t think I’m being too tunnel-y on Titus.

Hmmmm

[Hu Tao]

My current scumpool is yessiree, penguin, Titus and an outside maybe of BlackStar. I haven’t hidden these reads, I don’t think I’m being too tunnel-y on Titus.

Hmmmm

Tbh this is this most consistent I’ve ever been. I’m proud of that read lol

It was consistent. But if you're town you're gonna need to town it up for the other 2 tomorrow

[Hu Tao]

Unless you can think of an ultra strong PR. And even in that case Scum can't multitask. And because of this, Blackstar had to be the one to do the kill because of the claim. So if there was a scum goon it was likely BlackStar not Enchant. I just think mechanically he's town.

So it’s either Brian or Titus. If you townread me and thought Enchant was town due to vanilla result, and you think you have cleared Titus, wouldn’t you have immediately said the scum team was BlackStar/Brian?

I did

[Hu Tao]

It's just Blackstar and Brian. Eliminate one after the other imo

[Hu Tao]

But I thought I had you cleared not Titus. That's what changed things

[Hu Tao]

also @Hu Tao you should claim who you are going to role stop before the day ends

it forces scum to either no-kill or clear someone

I think I'd be better off not. Cause scum will kill elsewhere

[Hu Tao]

I'm pretty sure in dying tho so moot point

[Hu Tao]

I'm *

[Hu Tao]

Just tell us your partner

[Hu Tao]

I think it's Brian. Like 95% sure

[Hu Tao]

When you try to force not partner interactions

[Hu Tao]

I guess specifically words you have on KJQ vs. Brian because I'm leaning scum!KJQ at the moment

Not really. I just think it's Brian scum. I think look at the Brian wagon day 1 and see how blackstar and Kay reacted. If Blackstar is goon then enchant is clear of course, if not. Um. I still think like 1% chance of enchant scum. But still think he's town.

[Hu Tao]

If Hu Tao is town, then she will probably be night-killed. So why not give her another chance to say what she needs to.

If Hu Tao is scum, it doesn't really matter what she wants to say because the game will end.

I am currently moving forward with the hopes Hu Tao is town. So I am giving her the chance to say what she needs to.

Like this feels very mechanical and scripted. Like stating the obvious just to say it

[Hu Tao]

When you try to force not partner interactions

Is there any way, literally any way, you could believe there was a no kill and your clear on Titus isn’t a clear? Just wondering. I think I know the answer though.

Let me triple check that I targeted Titus

[Hu Tao]

Yes I rolestopped Titus. I'm guessing scum have a role cop? Idk. Scum could have anything but doesn't seem like it's come into play

[Hu Tao]

When you try to force not partner interactions

Is there any way, literally any way, you could believe there was a no kill and your clear on Titus isn’t a clear? Just wondering. I think I know the answer though.

Let me triple check that I targeted Titus

What I mean is if you targeted Titus but they didn’t kill anyone, it doesn’t matter who you targeted they wouldn’t actually be cleared if there wasn’t a kill ordered. Right?

Yeah unless they no killed. But doubt. Star wouldn't have claimed if they did

[Hu Tao]

I'm fine ending the day. How many votes on Blackstar right now

[Hu Tao]

I want hammer

[Hu Tao]

Who else is voting blackstar

[Hu Tao]

Pretty sure there are three votes on BlackStar.

Thoughts on Chitoge?

[Hu Tao]

I hope this ends and you win because this is too stressful lol

Naur you said things like this as scum.

[Hu Tao]

Disregard, only one vote on BlackStar.

Vote blackstar

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: blackstar

[Hu Tao]

Gg

[Hu Tao]

I can't believe that worked

[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

This is character Hu Tao from game Genshin Impact

Your favorite game!

[Hu Tao]

Gg

Why say this when the game was not over. Even if it was hammer it would only be gg if the game was ending and that would only happen if BlackStar was town so why say that. You know I’ve been on the fence about this so why do that and make me second guess everything???

How do you know if the game is over or not?

[Hu Tao]

It was my last surprise. You'll never see it coming

[Hu Tao]

Good luck tomorrow Dann and Enchant!

[Hu Tao]

Seriously, what are you even trying to do?

Didn't even get the p5 reference smh

[Hu Tao]

So saying “gg” implies the game is over and you won. Why would you say that so prematurely when we could easily fuck up and not vote correctly the next day and still lose?

For reactions for tomorrow

[Hu Tao]

Good luck tomorrow Dann and Enchant!

So now I’m not town?

I still think you're town. But I'm not gonna be the ones making the decision

[Hu Tao]

How come you didn't claim you roleblocked penguin?

[Hu Tao]

So you are scum roleblocker?

[Hu Tao]

Oscar worthy performance

[Hu Tao]

oh my god this is insufferable

I think Kay is town. I think look at a previous town game of hers and compare. But I'm not 100%

[Hu Tao]

Playing as VT is way more fun than being a PR. Hopefully I don't have to do it again any time soon

PR is more fun to me.

[Hu Tao]

I agree. Hoping they are goon so you are cleared

[Hu Tao]

Imagine if we were both town and scum is like Dann enchant. I'd die LMFAO

[Hu Tao]

I just don't see 5 pr so blackstar you gotta be scum

[Hu Tao]

Yes everyone vote fast night

[Hu Tao]

well I can assure you I am town

I think day 1 Brian wagon and Brian's lack of emotions today point to him being scum.

[Hu Tao]

Hu if the game is actually over, please don’t do this to me. It’s very mean. And I don’t want to think of this moment every time I get scared that you’re lying to me.

I only did it for reactions for them to use tomorrow. I'm town.

[Hu Tao]

LMFAO it's not

[Hu Tao]

That sucks. I feel like most people would’ve made the wrong decision there then.

But everyone can blame me lol

Not your fault, I would have done the same thing.

[Hu Tao]

Yeah so, a few points i would like to receive for feedback

- Obviously, the 3 goons, it definetly seemed like people were not expecting it, was it more of a failure on my part to not predict players would be used to the mafia having at least 1 PR, or was it something about the setup being too townsided for a 3 goons team, ironically giving them the win?

- Did anyone ever find use in the votes tracker associated to the votecounts? Should i do it again?

- And once again, Gypyx with failing to do flavor, i'd like any tips people have with that cause there's definetly something wrong with how i'm organized (ok and maybe going to the hospital in the middle of modding this game wasn't helping)

In retrospect I only realized that vanilla cop was mostly a negative role for us. But I wouldn't have thought that without knowing the setup. I guess if Brian was checked instead of enchant it would have worked out for town though. Came down to luck on who was checked really.

I enjoy the vote count tracker but if it's too much effort I'd say skip it.

[Hu Tao]

In retrospect I only realized that vanilla cop was mostly a negative role for us. But I wouldn't have thought that without knowing the setup. I guess if Brian was checked instead of enchant it would have worked out for town though. Came down to luck on who was checked really.

One note on that is that I really, really think you should stop treating vanilla checks as clears. If you do, you basically entrust the winner of the game to "luck" by whether a goon or a VT gets "cleared". I know that you got lucky in the past and was checked as vanilla when you were a VT but even in Large Normal 246, there was a goon alive when that happened and the confirmed vanilla was not a confirmed green check.

I understand what you mean, but I doubt that the usual will be that scum will be all goons. But in the future I'd need to be weary and think of a case like this one

[Hu Tao]

personally i think it's Good Actually if setups fuck with assumptions like that

mechanical assumptions like that are townplay crutches and towns should be punished for overly relying on them over dayplay

I agree with this