MKM II GAME OVER

[Empking]

Vote: Shin

- The name is too long.

[Empking]

Vote: Emp.

Policy random vote.

You mean OMGUS. I'm sure its an easy mistake to make.

[Empking]

Bring back the wizard hat.

QFT

[Empking]

I don't think we should mass claim but I don't think he was scummy for proposing it.

Also, Ive been thinking in another way to possibly break this game.
Law posted in the OP that only some items work regarding alignment. Therefore we can confirm alignments with items, right?

No.

[Empking]

3. Therefore, I wanted to evaluate the possibility of name massclaiming. Im not in favor or against it, IM JUST EVALUATING IT with the town.

I really dislike this part, it seems to say (to me) "and find out who's this game's "peach"."

[Empking]

3. Therefore, I wanted to evaluate the possibility of name massclaiming. Im not in favor or against it, IM JUST EVALUATING IT with the town.

I really dislike this part, it seems to say (to me) "and find out who's this game's "peach"."

Except that we are not protecting Peach this time.
Are you?

By ""Peach"", I didn't mean the role name "Peach", I meant "role to benefit scum in the event of a mass claim"

[Empking]

3. Therefore, I wanted to evaluate the possibility of name massclaiming. Im not in favor or against it, IM JUST EVALUATING IT with the town.

I really dislike this part, it seems to say (to me) "and find out who's this game's "peach"."

Except that we are not protecting Peach this time.
Are you?

By ""Peach"", I didn't mean the role name "Peach", I meant "role to benefit scum in the event of a mass claim"

You think I am scum, Emp?

I'm thinking about it?

What do you think of alignment claim?

Won't everyone claim the same thing?

[Empking]

I'm Yoshi's long lost brother. I can shoot lasers from my eggs.

Unvote

Vote: Zwets

Scum claim.

[Empking]

...HA! Lawrencelot pulled a Space Monkey on us! I completely fell for it, too. I thought I was scum.

No you didn't. Well yes you did when you saw your Mario PM actually.

Unvote

Vote: Gorrad

[Empking]

@ Emp, it's kinda obvious that someone was going to ask you for reasons, but I'm going to do it anyway... reasons for your vote plz.
.

Its impossible to get a Bowser's Army Role PM and think "I'm scum" or at least when you find out you're scum think "Oh like Space Monkey"

Lawrence wasn't hiding who the town was at all.

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-zwetschenwasser (4): populartajo, pacman281292, AceMarksman, Shinnen_no_Me
-populartajo (2): qwints, ortolan
-AceMarksman (3): caf19, zwetschenwasser, Gorrad
-Shinnen_no_Me (1): Riceballtail
-Dubya (1): Shadow Knight
-Gorrad (1): Empking

Not voting (5): killa seven, Surye, Moratorium, Dubya, Cream147

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

[Empking]

Surye: Do you think this quote make it clear that MKers are the invaders/ambigious/clear that BA are the invaders?

After the successful defence against the attack of Bowser and his army (link), the people of the Mushroom Kingdom decide to strike back and get rid of Bowser’s army once and for all. They plan an assault on Bowser’s Castle, the residence of the now slain King of the Koopas. After the preparations they successfully get inside the castle, because without their great leader the guard turns out to be very ineffective. But inside, it is so dark that nobody can see who is who. Again, everybody has to find out who is who in order to kill who they want to kill. Maybe the inhabitants of this castle aren’t so helpless after all...

[Empking]

So ambiguous?

[Empking]

*shakes fist at mod* Surye it obvtown, and Empking is confused town.

How so?

[Empking]

The flavor is posted on page one. How could anyone not know it?

Someone who hasnt read it before checking his PM, like me?

It was in the sign up thread as well.

I'd rather we dropped the item discussion.

[Empking]

The flavor is posted on page one. How could anyone not know it?

Someone who hasnt read it before checking his PM, like me?

It was in the sign up thread as well.

I'd rather we dropped the item discussion.

Aha! He's nervously trying to jitterbug his way out of a scumcatching situation!

Unvote; Vote: Empking

It won't out scum but it will out another group and actual mermbers of the town know tht.

[Empking]

I don't agree with item claiming and...

FoS; Those that item claimed

Especially due to Pop's definition of "confirmed town".

[Empking]

Wait, emp, didn't you claim?

I don't recall doing so.

[Empking]

Unvote Vote : Ortolan.

Why?

Question to everyone: If you were modding a game in what order would you put these roles in your modnotes or role PM order: Mafia, SK, Lyncher, Town, Jester, Survivor.

[Empking]

b) Last time, we had 1 mafia group (Bowser's Army), 2 anti-town third partys coin stealers with different win conditions (DK and Wario) and 1 town. Its very probable we are facing the same scenario.
.

Now that's definitely very useful info.

[Empking]

Unvote Vote: Zwetschenwasser

Because this game needs to go somewhere.

I totally missed that.

Unvote, Vote: populartajo

Bowser's army isn't an informed minority.

Unvote, Vote:zwet

That looks like a MAJOR scumslip right there.

o.O I don't actually remember.

Unvote

let me go back and re-read.

Unvote, vote: zwet

you voted tajo based on surye's... defense of him?

Oh, wait *facepalm*

unvote

I'm an idiot.

Vote: Zwet

Throwing dirt around hoping it will stick.

Speaking of throwing something around. This is your third vote on Zwets, among others. You have commitment issues, sir.

Is that scummy?

I don't have the item desriptions.

[Empking]

@Empking

What made you change your mind about refusing to share whether you had knowledge of Bowser's Castle items to now saying that you don't have the item descriptions?

Not completing an almost complete claim is worse than a full claim.

Zwet: When did the no itemers claim to be power roles?

[Empking]

Have we finished the questions yet?

[Empking]

Is Ort right?

[Empking]

Is Ort right?

[Empking]

Is Ort right?

Shouldn't you already know the answer to this?

No. I don't have the item descriptions.

[Empking]

Is Ort right?

I hate self-quoting... What do you mean with this question?

I meant was Ort right.

Unvote

Vote: Ort

[Empking]

Is Ort right?

I hate self-quoting... What do you mean with this question?

I meant was Ort right.

Unvote

Vote: Ort

Wait what?

What, what?

Unvote

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-Shadow Knight (6): Moratorium, ortolan, Looker, qwints, semioldguy, populartajo
-ortolan (4): Shadow Knight, AceMarksman, zwetschenwasser, Gorrad
-Looker (1): caf19

Not voting (6): killa seven, WeyounsLastClone, Cream147, ZEEnon, Riceballtail, Empking

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch. Deadline: May 4th 2009.

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Sk

We can't use items.

[Empking]

Oh yeah.

Those that played in the original. What Mushroom Kingdom characters died? Was Yoshi one of them?

[Empking]

Vote: Pop

Seems OMGUSy.

[Empking]

I'm not sure if Zwet is scummy personally.

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote; Mor

His Gorrad vote or rather his reasons.

[Empking]

I have a shell that

I think

protects me from nightkills

Please explain.

This.

qft

Amen

[Empking]

You're you? AKA scummy as sin. That AND, keep in mind, our LAST scum also claimed a kind of immunity. One of the Mushroom Kingdom items is a Fireflower. If it kills, you'd know that it kills with fire if you were scum, so you could know how to make the fakeclaim.

There's also a small role-based tidbit I'll share tomorrow.

Nice scumclaim.

Are you saying that because you think Gorrad's info is that you're both scum together?

[Empking]

I'd like to ask a side question...

Do we have four zwets in this game? As in, four people that post little snippets of uselessness and then vanish?

Zwets
Empking
killa seven
Looker

Am I wrong about this observation? Has this become the new Mafiascum trend lately? Are games just going to become glorified scumchat mockups?

Anyways. /hijack. Back to the game.

Half of those players were playing this game before you even heard of mafia scum.

Also, trying to make yourself look useful by posting irrelevant rubbish is noted.

[Empking]

^^ LOL

That was useful, how?

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Zwet

The whole role PM from the site isn't very good.

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Zwet

The whole role PM from the site isn't very good.

I still don't even know what site you're referring to. Isn't it possible that the mod might just have copied it?

Its not very likely.

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Zwet

The whole role PM from the site isn't very good.

I still don't even know what site you're referring to. Isn't it possible that the mod might just have copied it?

Its not very likely.

Empking who is scum?

I think its Zwet, Mora and some more people.

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Zwet

The whole role PM from the site isn't very good.

I still don't even know what site you're referring to. Isn't it possible that the mod might just have copied it?

Its not very likely.

Empking who is scum?

I think its Zwet, Mora and some more people.

This is a very interesting choice. Why zwet and why Mora?

And who are some people?

Zwet: I don't beleive his claim.
Mor: Because he's trying to make himself look more like he's town than helping town.

[Empking]

So essentially, if you think Zwets is scum, then you think that I'm currently bussing my second scum partner on Day 2, both of whom I put the initial vote on?

Nice gambit, me.

I don't like to base my reads on non-dead players over than the player I'm reading.

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Thad

[Empking]

Do I have to remind you that he fakeclaimed cop recently?

What game?

[Empking]

This game.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#1670404
God, Empking you were there.

How did you make it invisible? How did you make invisible?

Are you really suggesting that he can't be be trusted because he lied as scum? Have you neve false claimed before?

[Empking]

What's going on?

[Empking]

This game.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#1670404
God, Empking you were there.

How did you make it invisible? How did you make invisible?

Are you really suggesting that he can't be be trusted because he lied as scum? Have you neve false claimed before?

[Empking]

That link is broken

Works for me.

[Empking]

Oh, my. From the way people are claiming it must be reverse space monkey.

[Empking]

...Wait, did you just say what I think you said? You're next, Empking.

Why is that?

[Empking]

Please define what you mean by reverse space monkey.

Scum think they're town.

[Empking]

Ah. How is that reverse from regular Space Monkey?

Town & Scum think they're scum in regular.

[Empking]

I think we should just give everyone a day to vote ThAd.

[Empking]

and if you fakeclaim a role, don't pretend to use the exact same text as in a pm from me..

[Empking]

I promise I won't call you scum because you jumped on the wagon.

I might call you scum because you outed yourself, but definately not because you jumped on the wagon.

I promise. Cross my heart.

Same here.

[Empking]

Vote: Miller

[Empking]

vote: Kast

Gut but I'll look to see if I can find something to support it.

[Empking]

Thoughts after rereading all the players still alive:

K7 - 1) He's playing in this game? 2) He isn't dead yet?
Kast - Replaced Cream, who didn't do a whole lot. Kast, however, has done a lot of questioning. Likely town.
ZEEnon - See K7
ortolan - seems to feel cleared after avoiding the lynch D1, but I'm getting somewhat scummy vibes too. However, Gorrad did investigate him and call him town.
Empking - was rather anxious to get past the item knowledge claiming part... I could comfortably place a vote here

[/quote]

You mean the item claiming part where scum succesfully got through? Why would I be anxious about that (if I was scum)?

[Empking]

Gorrad: Your main point against me is that I hammered scum?

[Empking]

Gorrad: Your main point against me is that I hammered scum?

You hopped on late to two scum lynch wagons, were present on the town lynch wagon, and have done next to nothing by way of posts all game.

Though I was late on the bandwagon in the postion for the second bandwagon but it terms of time I was early.

What do you mean by the second part?

[Empking]

Does anyone know what its like to get coins traded to you?

Everyone who is voting me: Give me two reasons.

[Empking]

Crappy posts, being on all three bandwagons (late on the bandwagons of the scum).

Is your main reason me lynching two scum and one claimed scum or my posts?

[Empking]

Everyone who is voting me: Give me two reasons.

Look up 9 posts.

@Empking, 1644-
Incorrect. Gorrad did not state or imply any dissatisfaction with you being part of a wagon that lynched scum. He pretty clearly stated and clarified that he did not like that you were on the tail end of the scum wagons.

A more accurate summary would probably be:
-You are not contributing to the game in post number or content (lurking).
-You jumped on scum wagons after their lynches were inevitable (bussing).
-You jumped on a townie wagon.

@Ort-
Re-reading Empking should be quick.

Kast - You're not the only one voting me.

I've got more posts than you.
They were not inevitable as the amount of time taken shows.
I did not jump on a townie wagon.

Ort: Just Kast at the moment.

[Empking]

@Empking-
-Reading comprehension fail.

-I linked to my reasons for voting you. You asked with an implicit promise to address. Please deliver.

-Gorrad posted his reasons for suspecting you in more than one place. You tried twisting them well beyond any reasonable interpretation. I called you on this.

That does not mean those are equivalent to my reasons for suspecting you.

-You aren't contributing to this game. You had some posts early in Day 1, then you have mostly disappeared. You have resurfaced to throw in votes with little or no content, then disappeared again. Now you resurfaced to face Gorrad and my votes, but aren't touching on anything else (and not really addressing us either...).

@ZEEnon-
Lurking is anti-town behavior. It isn't the best indication of affiliation because you could very simply and plausibly be lazy. That does not change that it is anti-town behavior.

@K7-
Care to share anything more than an ambiguous one word thought?

Kast; Stop lying.

[Empking]

@Empking-
Please clarify what you feel is a lie.

That I gasve an implict promise to address.

[Empking]

1662: I thought I had more votes so I wanted to see how many would give reasons.

[Empking]

People said I was on L-2.

[Empking]

@Empking-
You ARE on L-2.

I have a double vote and Gorrad has a double vote.

Oh, of course.

[Empking]

@K7-
Lurking = Anti-town.

Not posting, posting only irrelevant comments, and/or posting extremely short semantic jabs = lurking.

That appears to be typical of your behavior so far. Pretty much the same for Empking and ZEEnon.

How about the three of you join us in playing this game?

So just posting long semantic jabs isn't lurking?

[Empking]

@K7-
Lurking = Anti-town.

Not posting, posting only irrelevant comments, and/or posting extremely short semantic jabs = lurking.

That appears to be typical of your behavior so far. Pretty much the same for Empking and ZEEnon.

How about the three of you join us in playing this game?

So just posting long semantic jabs isn't lurking?

fail

Elaborate.

[Empking]

@K7-
Lurking = Anti-town.

Not posting, posting only irrelevant comments, and/or posting extremely short semantic jabs = lurking.

That appears to be typical of your behavior so far. Pretty much the same for Empking and ZEEnon.

How about the three of you join us in playing this game?

So just posting long semantic jabs isn't lurking?

fail

Elaborate.

Kast's post may be long, but they are not 'extremely long semantic jabs'.

When did anyone say differently?

Anyway, instead of spending 10 seconds posting that one liner, you could have scumhunted (preferably longer than 10 seconds, but even 10 seconds is better than nothing).

I was scum hunting.

[Empking]

@Empking-
You try to distract by arguing against something that is neither Sirdanilot's point nor relevant to his point.

-I did not state an exclusive list of forms of lurking. I posted a list of the behaviors which the three players I named are engaging in which are all anti-town behaviors. Your comment is a semantics argument about what lurking includes but has no relevance to my point.

So I'm not allowed to make my own points?

-Your comment is ambiguous enough that it could be interpreted as accusing me of engaging exclusively in long semantic jabs. I think it reads a bit more sensibly as just trying to be cheeky and distracting from the point with some humor.

Or trying to get more info about you to see if certain things are scum tells.

[Empking]

@Empking-
You are welcome to make new points and nothing that I posted indicates otherwise.

You were attempting to argue with Sirdanilot but actually did not respond to his real point. You seem to enjoy these straw-man tactics; they are pretty characteristic of your behavior as scum.

What wa his real point?

You seem to be mentioning what I was attempting or planning to do a lot. Why is that?

[Empking]

@Empking-
-To be clear:
You realize that I did not post anything remotely related to telling you that you are not allowed to post new points.

Well considering you called me scummy for posting new points. No.

You realize that you have not been directly addressing the points made in your responses to myself, sirdanilot, and other players in general.

I have. So no.

Your straw-man responses are scummy and are characteristic of your normal play as scum.

Yet, incredibally you've yet to give an example of me strawmanning.

-Sirdanilot's point is the same point that others have raised against you; you are not contributing and are not scumhunting.

Sir: How am I not scumhunting?

You should change your behavior from the short, irrelevant, semantic jabs and straw-men to actual scumhunting.

Do you think making long posts to justify OMGUS is better than short scum hunting?

-When I have said you were attempting to do something, it has been accompanied with the implication that you failed to actually do that thing.

Why presume I attempted to do that thing? Why are you strawmanning? Why are you lying?

If it looks like I say it a lot, that's probably because you fail a lot.

Ad hom.

[Empking]

@Empking-
-Post an example of me calling you scummy for posting a new point.

-Please try to be consistent. I pointed out that your post failed to address the post it was responding to. You answered that you were making a new point. If you are making a new point instead of addressing the old point, then you are not addressing that old point.

-I have pointed out the examples but here again for your convenience:

I posted a series of thoughts about you. Instead of addressing them, you called me a liar without any elaboration. On further clarification, it turns out you don't understand the meaning of the word implicit and so thought that I was lying. In either event, you attempted to avoid answering my points by calling me a liar (the straw man).

Liar

-Pointing out that another player failed to do something is not ad hom. You fail to use that term correctly.

Give an example of when I said otherwise.

Sir; You're calling me suspicious and refuse to back that up? Why are you doing something scummy? Why do you refuse to scum hunt?

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-Empking (2): Gorrad, Kast
-Kast (1): Empking
-AceMarksman (1): Riceballtail

Not voting (6): killa seven, ZEEnon, caf19, ortolan, AceMarksman, sirdanilot

With 10 alive it takes 6 real votes to lynch.

[Empking]

Sir: All my posts today have been scumhunting.

[Empking]

Emp, please post more than one-word responses... if you only say "Liar", I can't exactly work out what you are referring to or why you believe he's lying. It doesn't help your case.

Still more of the same from killa and Zee, we're coming to a bit of an impasse here...

You think I only post onre word responses?

[Empking]

Emp, please post more than one-word responses... if you only say "Liar", I can't exactly work out what you are referring to or why you believe he's lying. It doesn't help your case.

Still more of the same from killa and Zee, we're coming to a bit of an impasse here...

You think I only post onre word responses?

You did here:

@Empking-
-Post an example of me calling you scummy for posting a new point.

-Please try to be consistent. I pointed out that your post failed to address the post it was responding to. You answered that you were making a new point. If you are making a new point instead of addressing the old point, then you are not addressing that old point.

-I have pointed out the examples but here again for your convenience:

I posted a series of thoughts about you. Instead of addressing them, you called me a liar without any elaboration. On further clarification, it turns out you don't understand the meaning of the word implicit and so thought that I was lying. In either event, you attempted to avoid answering my points by calling me a liar (the straw man).

Liar

and that's the bit I was referring to in my post.

You think people should never ever respond to a point with one word?

[Empking]

Kast & Sir: Why do you feel that 1702 & 1707 are scumhunting?

[Empking]

Emp, please post more than one-word responses... if you only say "Liar", I can't exactly work out what you are referring to or why you believe he's lying. It doesn't help your case.

Still more of the same from killa and Zee, we're coming to a bit of an impasse here...

You think I only post onre word responses?

You did here:

@Empking-
-Post an example of me calling you scummy for posting a new point.

-Please try to be consistent. I pointed out that your post failed to address the post it was responding to. You answered that you were making a new point. If you are making a new point instead of addressing the old point, then you are not addressing that old point.

-I have pointed out the examples but here again for your convenience:

I posted a series of thoughts about you. Instead of addressing them, you called me a liar without any elaboration. On further clarification, it turns out you don't understand the meaning of the word implicit and so thought that I was lying. In either event, you attempted to avoid answering my points by calling me a liar (the straw man).

Liar

and that's the bit I was referring to in my post.

You think people should never ever respond to a point with one word?

Not exactly, but in this case it might be helpful... please expand on why Kast is lying.

I know what implict means.

[Empking]

Kast; Are you purposely trying to make it difficult to read your posts?

In that second post what "something" did you point out that I failed to do?

- So you don't think Gorrad is scumhunting?

- So you're blaming you making your posts impossible to respond to on me?

[Empking]

@Empking-
-No. Is it difficult to read a post with quotes in it? If you feel that it is difficult, then why did you do the same thing? Also, why did you change the paragraph formatting of my post that you quoted? Is your question another attempt to distract from the actual point?

Another post saying that I shouldn't make my own points?
Its difficult to read posts that have quotes, links and words in links all close together.

-You called that post ad hom. Please explain if you feel it is ad hom. I assumed it was in response to me pointing out that you fail often.

Was that actually a "new point"?

Its saying that my points are invalid because I as a person in general fail a lot.

-Where do you get the impression that I don't think Gorrad is scumhunting?

I don't

I think Gorrad is probably a third party such as Wario. I would guess he is trying to blend into the town by catching an MK player. I think he is correct in suspecting you of being one of the MK players. This isn't anything new.

Why do you continue to claim that I say or believe things that either have nothing to do with what I posted or sometimes directly contradict my actual posts?

Why are you unable to give examples.

Are you trying to invent a case against me? This is extremely similar to our previous game together where you did the exact same thing. Are you planning to invent another fake quote in which I claim to be scum?

Funny how you make that point but don't back that up with a link to the game.

-How am I making my posts impossible to respond to? Please give some examples.

The links in the quote headers.

[Empking]

Kast: Do you think I'm the worst poster in the not posting/posting only a small amount stakes?
Scumhunting?

1715: Your posts are difficult to respond to.

[Empking]

@Empking-
-Post an example of me calling you scummy for posting a new point.

-Please try to be consistent. I pointed out that your post failed to address the post it was responding to. You answered that you were making a new point. If you are making a new point instead of addressing the old point, then you are not addressing that old point.

-I have pointed out the examples but here again for your convenience:

I posted a series of thoughts about you. Instead of addressing them, you called me a liar without any elaboration. On further clarification, it turns out you don't understand the meaning of the word implicit and so thought that I was lying. In either event, you attempted to avoid answering my points by calling me a liar (the straw man).

Liar

Emp, please post more than one-word responses... if you only say "Liar", I can't exactly work out what you are referring to or why you believe he's lying. It doesn't help your case.

Still more of the same from killa and Zee, we're coming to a bit of an impasse here...

You think I only post onre word responses?

<caf gives example>

You think people should never ever respond to a point with one word?

VOTE: EMPKING

Sir, did you notice the "only"?

I'm a Goomba. No powers.

[Empking]

Kast; That's not an example of another fake quote in which I claim to be scum.

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-Empking (3): Gorrad, Kast, sirdanilot
-Kast (1): Empking
-AceMarksman (1): Riceballtail

Not voting (5): killa seven, ZEEnon, caf19, ortolan, AceMarksman

With 10 alive it takes 6 real votes to lynch.

[Empking]

The first part was me presuming that people without the items were the majority and that it'd out the actual item users.

[Empking]

SK didn't claim vanilla Goomba.

I hadn't read the previous game so I presumed that there wouldn't be power roles and reading my role PM I presumed I wasn't alone in not being able to use items.

[Empking]

A cop claim is the same as a vanilla only with investigative powers.
A one-shot vig is a vig that turns into a vanilla townie.
They're completely claims both in name and role.

If I didn't mention it you'd be calling me out for not mentioning it.
How did I jump in?
You make it seem like I was on at the time rather than page(s?) later. Is that on purpose?

[Empking]

My last post before the weekend:

Why would lynching K7 or ZEEnon be any better than lynching Empking?

Because I'm obvtown. That wouldn't be difficult for townies to understand.

Kast: How have I posted less than Zee?

[Empking]

Mod: Prod Ace?

[Empking]

Also note: I have actually been Empking's scumbuddy twice.

What was the second game?

[Empking]

-I'd like him to answer my question and if he avoids doing so, I'd like him to be replaced.

If he makes it clear that he is ONLY going to post when prodded (ie going to ignore other players), and we don't have any genuinely suspicious targets, then he could be a possible lynch.

Or we could repeatedly request prods, which if he ignores, then he gets replaced.

-Atm, I think Empking's behavior has been more anti-town, and also clearly indicative that he will not be replaced by someone interested in playing the game and finding scum.

To clarify a bit more the difference I see between Empking as scum and Empking as town, it looks like as scum, he only focuses on himself and only responds to either say he is town, or twist his accuser's argument and present a strawman. This is a classic scum mentality as scum only really need to care about not getting lynched themselves and don't have to worry about others except when it directly relates to themselves and possibility of their own lynch.

A townie perspective needs to look at other players and the town as a whole to determine which players are potentially scum.

Says Mr. OMGUS.

[Empking]

Ort: H0ow scummy do you consider K7 compared to your second suspect?

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Zee

Zee is scummy. Kast isn't going to get lynched. It cancels out Zee's vote.

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Visible Votecount

-ZEEnon (4): caf19, ZEEnon, ortolan, Empking
-Empking (3): Gorrad, Kast, sirdanilot
-AceMarksman (1): Riceballtail

Not voting (2): killa seven, AceMarksman

With 10 alive it takes 6 real votes to lynch.

[Empking]

What would you rather I use my vote for?
On a person that I don't know is town? Sounds like a good idea to me. Hint: Not.

I support this statement, though not necessarily the person saying it.

Trying to use your special vote to try and stop the town from getting the lynch they want is pretty scummy.