Mafia 37: Werewolves - Game over!

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And werewolves thought IS would taste

good

?

Anyway,

Vote: Locus

for now. Same reason they look at the husband first when the wife dies. Ok. Close to the same. Ok, fine. The general reason. You know what? Forget it.

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And I don't nightkill IS, as a rule.

If TV has taught me anything, it's boring if the husband kills the wife.

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I keep clinging to the hope that you people will come to your senses

Funny how I feel the same about you. Well, up to that point.

All pettiness aside, random votes are boring. Who wants to talk about werwolves? Apparently there's a group of people who've evolved in such a way that they've developed wolf like qualities. My friend saw one on TV and he's scared of things jumping out of bushes at night. So naturally, we scared him a few times

Sorry. I'm really bored right now. I felt like sharing.

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Well, that's natural, that's what the D stands for anyway.

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I'd actually like to apologize. I shouldn't have mentioned the locus thing, i've done it ten times before. I'll never mention it again unless I feel it's a problem.

>>>moving on with life>>>

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mneme: Even inexperienced people are aware of IS. And I'd hate to be nitpicky, but someone could be experienced and be new to mafiascum.

This is a list of everyone I'm pretty sure knows IS. That doesn't mean the others done. In any case, I think it's a waste of time. All that it means is that there's a higher than normal chance that one or more mafia are in this group.

PeaceBringer
Coron
The_Machine86
Dranko20
Locus Cosecant
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Mastermind of Sin
mneme
CoolBot
rolandofthewhite
PookyTheMagicalBear

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therianthropes

I hate to be nitpicky again, but I'm not 100% that word can be used in this context. But then again, I'm no expert, and I care more that somebody else knows that word.

Vote: Dragyn_Mage

Because he has too cool a name not to have posted by now.

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therianthrope as I learned it is a person with an animal soul. The people I met who called themselves that were really paranoid, because they got a lot of wannabes and such.

But I'd definately buy that definition, mneme.

Roland: Don't be embarrased; it's not a common word.

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He loves me. Yay!

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Now what do I do? I'm just confused. I wish I could proxy my vote to someone because I'm too lazy to cast it myself.

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Dude. One vote for no lynch isn't actually going to make a no lynch occur. People should not get all uptight about it.

The truth is, no lynch doesn't help the town at all (except in rare circumstances, and this is not one of them). So if you feel you have no one to vote for, just don't vote for anyone. Don't vote no lynch.

Vote: Enigma

No post.

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So you've always understood every aspect to everything you've ever done?

Vote: Coolbot

for trying to crucify the n00bs.

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I think Phoebus said something about FD2 having PC trouble.

Anyway, it's not forthright. It's obvious. We've had this discussion so much, that scum could jump on against it, lead a bandwagon against a no lyncher (which is frequent newbie behavior), and get the town to lynch them (which is common town behavior).

A no-lynch does prevent the town from lynching an innocent. Although I'd rather have an innocent die to narrow the choices than nobody to die, preventing the possibility of maifa dying (only if there is one group).

Frankly, I don't see ther being a great argument behind scum using no lynch. It's good enough, but it's easy to make the justification otherwise.

The fact that Coolbot apparently doesn't think so makes me wonder if he truely believes that regardless of experience, no one can come to an alterior conclusion if they think about it long enough or he's scum looking for an easy target.

A vote is not a condemnation, PB. And I sure as heck don't know, nor can control, what roland and Stam think.

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For all we know, Pooky decided to be artsy, and it has no meaning to this game.

If not, it is quite possible again that he's referring to one of his huggle buddies.

If not, it's also quite possible that he's mason with a lover.

If not, it's also quite possible that there's someone out there that is his lover, and, seeing IS was a herb....ologist...can't remember...anyway, Pooky would know that his lover is still alive and out there.

If not, it's also quite possible that Pooky is scum, and he's working up an alibi of confirmed innocents with another mafia buddy.

And not all scum incite is bad. You obviously shouldn't trust anything unconditionally, except common sense, because otherwise someone in town will hopefully detect any obvious bullshit.

I say we best leave it alone for now.

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Wow. Thanks Phoebus...I guess...

What I'm curious is if we lynch someone before the full moon...do the wolfies still get to eat us? I'm thinking there's a wolf mafia that kills on the full moon regardless and maybe an SK/people mafia that kills at night. Although that'll be cleared up pretty soon, I guess.

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Hey, I'll bite into that.

Vote: Dranko

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Guu? How do you know whether I looked it up or not? Because I did. I distinctly remember doing so. Even if I don't remember now. I think it was the craplogic on Mneme. I'll go check. Yep. That's it.

FOS: Milkman

For the blatent foswagon.

Phoebus caught my slip. Ok. I guess I love him now.

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Nanook: I was refering to the foswagon, so it wasn't directed at you.

And your post implied that I didn't look it up.

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Unvote Dranko

FOS: Machine

I live doesn't seem all that helpful, but I haven't finished reading everything.

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It's typical Coolbot, but i'm willing to go for it. Actually, I'd rather go for

Vote: Coron

until he does something. And then maybe machine so he does more than just saying I'M ALIVE!

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OH GOD! I VOTE FOR SOMEONE WHO I THOUGHT WAS SCUMMY! SOMETHING IS OBVIOUSLY WRONG WITH ME!

And then, I got off your bandwagon? It is taking all the self control I have not to insult your intelligence. You claimed a fricken seer. Of course I'm off your wagon scum or town. Sheesh. So that's moot.

Fine. You want to nail me for the first point, whatever.

Man, if scum jumped on bandwagons as quickly as I did, this game would be too easy. Food for thought.

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Oh yeah, and because you think that getting off your bandwagon is obviously a scum thing to do, it REALLY makes me doubt your claim. Because a cop would understand, but a scum might slip.

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Sorry everyone. I'm allergic to craplogic.

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I must be completely missing something. Someone please tell me why there's a bandwagon on esme? I'm so confused.

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Esme wanted us to limit our bandwagons to non-voters. There's no reason why non-voters would preferentially be mafia, so this was crap logic probably designed to keep us from bandwagoning mafia.

Wow. I love how you are so sure that esme is mafia based on: If A might be true, then B might be true. And if B might be true, THEN ESME

IS

MAFIA DEVELOPING THIS PLOY TO KEEP US FROM BANDWAGONING HER SCUM BUDDIES!

Unvote, Vote: Coolbot

If anything, scum are cautious with thier vote. And unless you have something that suggests otherwise, I'm very curious where you've definitively derived that esme must be mafia.

Bamboomancer: That I can agree with, yet not vote worthy at this point. If we go round in circles or we stall, I'd be glad to go there.

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...and Vote: Esme .. This puts him ...

I wonder if NanookTheWolf put the same amount of thought into the vote as she put in the last sentence.

Was it intentional or just ironic that you misrepresented Nanook's gender?

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Actually, when I first saw the name, I thought it was "es me" which is "it is me" or "is me" in spanish (although I don't think that's proper grammar).

Esme, it looks like your a casualty of the bandwagon. Occasionally, people decide to put thier votes on someone for any reason they can find. It's why BJ has his sig. It doesn't look like a defence is going to help (when does it ever?), so I would say you may need to claim, or at least hint at your role.

But I'm still happy with my vote on Coolbot, if anyone feels like switching.

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I was not the first. Please don't second and third off of me, especially if you are voting esme. I'm in the "the only way you can appease these vicious people is by claiming" not the "you should claim, esme" camp.

Milkman: Why not? So you are so sure of esme's guilt that anything that she'll say short of claiming is evil?

The goal, people, is to kill the mafia while revealing AS LITTLE CLAIMS AS POSSIBLE. Don't give up. Don't waste it on unnecessary claims. Esme has explained her actions. I don't see why voting non-voters is anything but 1) a participation builder or 2) a misunderstanding.

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I agree with you, mneme. Milkman is a better choice.

Vote: Milkman

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WTH people.

Voting for yourself is sometimes a necessity. It is NOT always a sign of giving up. If Brush is really a townie, then he is not giving up, he is sacrificing himself so we don't kill a power role.

Please.

Vote: Brushhopper

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Um...I'm lazy. That's where I went.

PB: I'd like to believe you'd say the same if he said a comment of the same caliber accusing you of mafia.

See, the thing is, you don't whine. In this game, that is what I would call whining. Ergo, difference, at least from my perspective.

Vote: PB

I might hold you to that statement in the future STD.
That's 12.

Feel free to do it in the past: Simpsons mafia, Open Role. I've completely changed my opinion of it since I began playing.

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Unvote

What Flay said. Goodbye.

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warewolf.

WEREwolf. Grr.

Y'all probably want me to vote esme, right?

Meh.

Vote: Esme

Just to prove you all wrong. (Or right, but probably wrong).

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Vote: STD

for that tacking on that last vote yesterday. Supecious in my opinion.

vote STD-just following here

Come on. At least you guys didn't vote for Esme, otherwised I'd be on you like a fat boy (me) on cake. I guess that gives me a nice 9-vote safety zone.

If you really think I'm "supecious," get your head checked. I got sick and tired of the town spewing BS back and forth about Esme. She's a townie. It's settled. We were right.

And I wanna hear the answer to roland's question.

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You know, there could be two werewolf groups or one really big one. Or they could be a werewolf/cult where they can kill AND turn. (If so, pick me! just kidding.)

Dranko, speak.

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PB does that.

Vote: Milkman

Personally, I'd like to go after someone adamant on the esme bandwagon. Coolbot was being Coolbot, and he's dead anyway.

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Aww, how sweet. Out of all the none confirmed innocents, you vote for me.

You're right Bamboomancer. I forgot.

Unvote, Vote Bamboo

And can someone please tell me how we know dranko is a cop? I'm not doubting it, I'm just forgetting where the proof came from.

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I still don't get the pot and kettle thing.

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I don't get it's origen; where does it come from and what does that mean?

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I found a bit odd STD willingness to go after the people on the esme bandwagon. I mean: people with no information could have been there as much as scum.

Ah! It all makes perfect sense now! You have no information. So you go kill esme, instead of trying to do something!

This is beyond a bad wagon...it's like Esmegate.

The reason I voted esme was kinda fascist: the goal is to rid the town of mafia; she was in the way.

Now, I'm completely convinced that that's the only reason anyone has voted esme this game. And that's really sad.

Is not your question answered, d_rouge?

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I found a bit odd STD willingness to go after the people on the esme bandwagon. I mean: people with no information could have been there as much as scum.

Ah! It all makes perfect sense now! You have no information. So you go kill esme, instead of trying to do something!

This is beyond a bad wagon...it's like Esmegate.

The reason I voted esme was kinda fascist: the goal is to rid the town of mafia; she was in the way.

Now, I'm completely convinced that that's the only reason anyone has voted esme this game. And that's really sad.

Is not your question answered, d_rouge?

bizarre statement-

Unvote D_rouge
vote STD

Ouch. Forgive me for being cynical. Am I not allowed to joke?

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joking is scummy....

Not to mention: relaxing, venting, fun, funny, exciting, interesting, etc.

Yes, the town was spewing lots of bullshit on her. So what did you do? You killed an innocent in order to settle the debate?
Did it occure to you that you could actually

defend

her? I know nanook doesn't like it, but if I could stand his criticism, you could too. If we had more clear sane steady voices against this lynch it could have been avoided. (Nonchalante, this refers to you too).

First of all, reading this makes me realize that I should at least have the decency to apologize to Esme. So, Esme, if you're out there, I'm sorry I put the ax on you when I believed you to be innocent.

Ok. Now to your point.

Nope. Couldn't defend her. I've been doing that for the last...oh...20 pages. It didn't really work. I don't know if you noticed, but for the last...oh...20 pages we've done nothing but fight about esme. I wanted to
1) move on
and
2) stick it to the ones who voted Esme

But the fact is that he didn't investigate you, and right now I don't see anyone scummier than you. So

vote: Save The Dragons

Do people commit murder in broad daylight?

Since you asked so nicely: The De-cynicized version of Post 526.

I found a bit odd STD willingness to go after the people on the esme bandwagon. I mean: people with no information could have been there as much as scum.

You admit to having no information. Your solution was trying to kill esme. Why?

Something's fishy.

I wanted to prove to the town that esme was who she was claiming to be. Sorry it had to be that way.

No one had a reason for the esme bandwagon.

Does that answer your question, d_rouge?

Now, that post sucks ass. That's why I joke a bit. Reading that in everyone's posts is monotonous.

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I was reacting you your stating that esme was in the way of hunting mafia and I don't see that. Then you take and twist D_rouge statement in order to generate a further bandwagon.

K.

Statement one: If you think that arguing for 20 pages over someone's innocence when neither side really has ANY points is constructive, then...
*goes off to giggle for a while*

Statement two: Alright, I twisted it a little. It still doesn't change the fact that
1) he voted esme
2) no one had a reason for voting esme
3) i'd be satisfied with any esme voter.

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STD, if we have no information, the only way to get some is lynching.

Bantering back and forth for a while tells is good for something.

Anyway your being so sure of Esme's innocence before her lynch suggests me that you could be scum: otherwise how could you know?

I had doubts. It was win-win for me. If I was right, then you all made a mistake, and I wasn't going to take it. If I was wrong, then at least we got scum.

Also, voting for someone you are so sure is not scum doesn't make any sense to me (and your explanation about her being in the way neither).

Because I had a feeling she was just a townie. Besides, I think she said she was. Killing her was, if not anything else, safe. And it wasn't necessarily her that was in the way, it was the fact that we were wasting our time arguing over the fate of a vanilla townie. We should have lynched her or let her go.

The reason I'm voting you: I don't necesarrily think your scum or town; I'm not convinced either way. I'd rather go after different targets, but I'm getting burned at the stake as well. Right now, I'm a lone...er...wolf in my convictions, so let the appeasement begin.

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Oh wow...now I feel like an idiot. I totally thought I was voting D_rouge. With the vote counts every five seconds, how could I have missed that?

Unvote

Meh. I'm not convinced.

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Vote: D_rouge

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Ok, just for that, I'm going to look back and see who I random voted and vote for them, so I can be even more unproductive.

D_rouge, come back!

Vote: Milkman

Because I seem to remember doing that previously.

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I wonder...

Why then?
Why d_rouge?

Especially since he's killing off my vegetarian brethren.

Oh well.

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Fos: SaveTheDragons

.. Random Voting on Day 5?

Some of BJ's methods I find to be counter-intuitive, namely, voting me. If you notice, I did not vote for my random voter (which, ironically, would be BJ, since he replaced LC). Given the recent votes for Milkman + previous inclinations, there you have it.

But if I thought I could get away with it, boy would I.

Pardon my skepticism. And don't think that I don't believe you; for now I do. But even if you don't kill people, you didn't mention turning. Not to mention the fact it'd be easy to satisfy an investigation as a miller.

So, being lover or not
The wolf may have found you hot
But I wonder if this is true
And if not, what do I do?
But for now, believe I can
Without lover, I vote milkman.

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oops. I misread everything.

I thought your lover WAS the wolf. How silly of me. Ignore me.

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BJ replaced LC.

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Eh, it probably wouldn't be the first time an extreme WIFOM was used.

Unvote, Vote: roland

The more I see the more I suspect.

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Wine in front of me: From the movie(?) the Princess bride where I think Person A poisoned one of the wine glasses. Person B takes Person A's glass, thinking he's so sly because he believe Person A posioned his glass. But in reality, Person A posioned his own glass, knowing that Person B would fall for the trick. Person B dies.

Or something like that, I've never seen the movie. Basically, it's when someone does something to make us think that something is true (I.E., Pooky's a good werewolf) when it's not. The most simple form of WIFOM is something like: "I'm acting to scummy to be scum" when they really are scum.

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I'm not saying you WIFOMed. I'm meerly saying it's possible to pass of your werewolfyness as a miller-type role. An extreme case would suggest that DM is a mafia partner.

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@ STD- a mafia partner who pretty much had to be dragged into the gambit?? If it was a mafia ploy, I would have hung Pooky out to dry and advanced myself as a confirmed townie when he died and was revealed as a wolf.

Oh crap. Please don't tell me all those times I talked to my scum partners at night in various games throughout my mafia career I was cheating.

Here's the facts about the gambit. Are you dead yet? No? Are you dying? No? So it's working? That is, hypothetically.

Dude, I just snorted Pepsi all over some legal docs! I have great fun imagining what you are like in real life. I get the mental image of a large muscular flamboyant man who has a bad tendancy to crush his straight friends in "huggles".

That's hilarious.

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@STD, we wouldn't be freaking dead or dying if we just kept lying low either.

And that's probably why I'm not suspecting you and only bringing it up.

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Let's play a game while we're waiting for things to get exciting again. Oooh, 15 people? Well, I know a good one we can play. It's called mafia.

Unvote, Vote: Mikehart

Since roland claimed, you can't use other people's reasons, you actually have to explain why you either disbelieve the claim or want to h00s a townie.

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mikehart, the Magistrate of the village, was mauled to death Night Five.

I kinda expected that.

Does anyone else think there's a lot of townies in this game?

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I just really want to lynch STD....

Put your metagaming aside, BJ. Just because I betrayed you in one game doesn't mean I will in another (and besides, it's not like I can). And it's partially Crola's fault for giving me the role.

Vote: Pooky

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Oh yeah. I meant townies and vanilla.

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Oh yeah. I meant townies

and

as

vanilla.

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I escaped the wrath of BJ for now...

If you get a day-vig role I'm going to be so pissed.

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Since I don't think Pooky is scum, I'll put my vote on one of the other bandwagons, to see if we can manage to get a majority on somebody else.

vote: STD

Do you know how many games I'm getting bandwagoned in?

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Since I don't think Pooky is scum, I'll put my vote on one of the other bandwagons, to see if we can manage to get a majority on somebody else.

vote: STD

Do you know how many games I'm getting bandwagoned in?

Yeah, and this guy's responsible for a few.

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I'm gone from the 15-20th.

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Too many people in this game want to believe that Pooky is innocent, or are even thinking that lynching him may be a mistake because if we kill him, we kill that little Dragon guy too ...

Doesn't everyone see this? I'm going against my very own

name

here. They better be guilty.

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Why the bloody hell would a BAD wolf be in love with a GOOD human? How the !@#$ing hell can I win if my LOVER is on the other side?

Neither love nor sex know morality.

vote: pooky

I don't like miller-esque claims.

And that's exactly why mods do.

I'll tell you now that I am nothing more then a civilian (townie), so basically you are wasting your time.

Hmm... townies are called villagers in this game, not civilians.
You look more and more suspicious to me, expect my vote soon, unless you explain me that part about Pooky's story changing.

If you vote Nanook for other reasons, then that's perfectly acceptable. If you kill Nanook because of this one, then we're not doing the right thing.

I don't care what happens to Nanook, I am not buying the freakin' good wolf thing.

Unless Nanook turns out to be a bad wolf. Then I'm buying it.

But I think Dragyn_mage slipped, so I'm pretty confident that Nanook is going to turn up as a...oh...here comes another one...CITIZEN.

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I eat my hat.

I'm just not going to have an opinion on anything anymore, because I kept getting things wrong.

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Vote: MOS

(That's six.)

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MOS, just die in this game for us, please? No matter what, I'm sure I didn't make the wrong choice.

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Vote: Coron

for now.