Mini 219: Tom Cruise Mafia -- It's a Wrap!

[Phoebus]

vote: Fuldu

Standard argument. You know what it is, right?

[Phoebus]

That's OK. My vote can stay there until further notice.

Glorious mod: Is the motivator the same as discussed in some of the setups I've sent to you?

[Phoebus]

A motivator as I have used it, or will be in the future, is a person who has the following effects on targets:

Cop - gets two investigations that night.
Blocker - gets two blocks that night.
Doc - blocks all kills on target.
Killer - foils doc/block attempts on him/target and his kill goes through.
Townie - vote counts double next day.

However, how MeMe would go about it, I do not know. Her silence might be affirmative.

[Phoebus]

Away till mon/tue

[Phoebus]

unvote: Fuldu, vote Astronaut

Explain the joking unvote?

^^several scum groups? Plurality of plurals or something?

[Phoebus]

Several as in two and scum group as in a mafia or a lone SK.

By the definition of a group, it's got to be two or more people interacting.
Please tell me it was the language barrier.

[Phoebus]

unvote: Astro, vote: WindSlicer

talk.

[Phoebus]

Thank you for being so productive!
Die.

[Phoebus]

Grr.
That was aimed at Windslicer. *sigh*

[Phoebus]

Why are you playing, again?
If you don't have anything, make it happen?

In some ways you are though -

confirm vote: WS

[Phoebus]

inHim seems slightly flaky in this way in most of his games.
I'd rather let him stay around for a while and go after someone who's committed to being noncommittal.

[Phoebus]

Oh my Astro.
You're going to spend all your time playing Mafia with Seol around, hanging on to his tailcoats? I mean - I know what you mean but people have off days.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying you might not necessarily be right.
It probably reflects on Seol if you're right about this...

[Phoebus]

Here's your cue to claim, Jonny!

Or are we just cancelling this production?

*sigh*

Note for future reference - A bandwagon has formed to the extent where a claim might be useful, without a single vote issued at all from WindSlicer.

He may not be guilty. Jonny might be scum. But yeah - for future reference.

Since Jonny's claimed "citizen" already, do we want a name for posterity's sake? Or should I just vote him?

[Phoebus]

From-

I have no idea why Talitha signalled me out, perhaps shes mafia, trying to get me lynched,

so when I turn up citizen,

she doesn't look particularly scummy.

(emphasis mine)

To-

Do I really have to roleclaim?

It would hurt the town quit a bit

. But if a majority of the town decides that I should claim, I will.

(again, mine)

When one says citizen or civilian, to me it sounds like townie.
If you have a use, you're usually pro town.
Don't like it much.

He did say this-

I am not a newbie, but this happens to be my first game in which I was not mafia. So, sadly, I know not how to act other than "don't lie" and don't roleclaim.

- which is neither here nor there. From having decided not to role claim, to being open (but reluctant) to it...just rubs me the wrong way. The part in quotation marks is not helpful either...

[Phoebus]

I'd be willing to lynch Astro.
He's set off a buzzer earlier...

[Phoebus]

unvote: WS; vote: Astro

[Phoebus]

Interesting enough that in my last and only game with halfpint, she was town and quite active through inHim's definition.
Now she IS flying low. Not having played any games with her since, I'm not acting on anything yet.

Rather lynch Astro.

[Phoebus]

Somehow I think that ^^ is OMGUS.
But that's just me...

[Phoebus]

My word choice gets me in trouble again (and I'm not even Dutch)

The parantheses makes me giggle.

I'm not switching yet. Rather Astro than inHim at this time.
Feel free to do something stupid so I can change my mind though.

[Phoebus]

Call it a hunch, T.
A Phoebus tell? Can't explain.
And no one's interested in killing WindLurker.

[Phoebus]

It's about time WS popped back in and halfpint committed herself to a vote.

[Phoebus]

Happy with Astro.
Will switch to WS.

[Phoebus]

I beg to disagree DP.
Plenty of minis seem to have a complement of two masons these days.

I might even call this an attempt to flush out a partner.
Why can't we hold the claim on its merit for now?
Like Tally said - he can be caught in his lies later.

[Phoebus]

unvote: Astro ; vote: WS

Where is Seol?

[Phoebus]

You can mention the restriction but not say more despite making a serious accusation?

[Phoebus]

It was. But expanding would be helpful.
halfpint had time to counter his claim. Can you think of any reason she didn't?

[Phoebus]

The nature of your restriction?
Part of the role? Imposed by external agent?

[Phoebus]

Here's the thing.

vote: Windslicer

to keep him interested. It's about time he committed to something. His stand yesterday was that he would comment once there was somethign to comment about. So a re-read and last night's deaths should give him plenty to talk about.

The remaining players alive:
Astronaut
Fuldu
inHimshallibe
Phoebus
Seol
Talitha
WindSlicer

I paid careful attention to halfpint and DP's posts in my re read.
We speculated what halfpint's italicised vote meant. After that vote and a subsequent unvote, she maintained that the only person she had a read on was inHim, who was innocent.

inHim:
We've already seen one pro town person lie but I don't see a reason why inHim would lie about being a mason. halfpint's faith in Him (;)) would seem to corroborate the fact.

Now maybe we should discuss the merits of letting inHim reveal his partner? A voting bloc would be quite useful at this time I think. I must admit to not having seen many TC movies beyond Minority Report and the MI ones. I do have some knowledge of the premise of the few of the others though. McDeere was a lawyer? Who would be his partner? Alternatively, is there another lawyer role?

Astro:
He's been setting off buzers for a while now. I still don't like his unvoting of DP and the subsequent explanation. It can definitely be perceived as currying favour for later.
However, he attracted a number of votes at various times from various people. DP however seemed to have had no intention of voting for him, while he freely tagged on his votes elsewhere. DP's comments about Astro being weird but not necessarily scummy makes me think he might have been DP's night one target.
Given his behaviour though, I'd mark him as being a possible Godfather.

Talitha:
Nothing about her has struck me as scummy until her previous post. One could argue it was a tell. One could argue that there was truth in her statement and a natural reaction. Both could be right. I only wonder if DP didn't ping Tal on night one. A scummy Tal is a dangerous one. Her behaviour would indicate otherwise though. Another (lower possibility) candidate for GF?

Now remain Fuldu and Seol who have both been posting characteristically different from usual. I think Fuldu just might be busy because he seems to be the same elsewhere. Seol is being funny. He started out quietly, became verbose in the middle and then petered out again. Allow me a little meta gaming where I can definitely say that Seol has not really lost any of loquaciousness as his performance in a certain other game indicates and thus, it just strikes a weird chord with me.

If/when/unless WS comes up with something decent, my vote shall move towards the last of these two. Astro next.

[Phoebus]

Seol:
The day cop is not a regularly used role. It might have certain limitations but the way I see mafia mechanics work, the GFs have no police record for the cops to check or no skeletons in their closets for snoops to find at night. During the day, if someone were to pick your pockets, you might not have been all that careful.

I admit to not having thought that inHim could be GF but somehow, the day cop does not lend itself to me as being fooled by the GF. Why do I think that? I don't know. I just do.
This is all ofcourse based on the assumption that there IS a GF. *shrug*

As far as the "we" part goes - I look at/play my games thinking as if we're all sitting in a circle like in Real Time. I did not look up who commented on the italics, no. However, I remember that someone mentioned it and I agreed with that point. Actually, agreed more on how that was weird. Given halfpint/CoolBot's now-revealed role, it becomes interesting.
Therefore, we, as a town.
If you want to harp on the semantics of that, please be my guest. If you're going to nitpick, you're going to look suspicious. The simplest sort of explanation? I imagined a link with the Bot and agreed. Therefore, we agreed. How do you like that?

And no, let's not speculate in a mafia game please.

Oh and you can't stop talking. How do we tell when you're scum or not?

inHim:
Wanna call it fishing? OK.
*shrug* But the very point of putting forward baldly a statement like "the merits of revealing inHim's partner" means that you're not completely and totally cleared in my book. No. More so than most. I think I can have a little faith in MeMe not including the GF mason. I just prefer to have all bases and possibilities covered.
Since Seol was so much into the semantics of other things, it's interesting to me that he has overlooked the possible implications of having a mason reveal themselves.

Oh and Seol - stupid vig or not. He's dead. There've been two kills both nights.
Lynch or lose? Don't think so yet.

unvote: WindSlicer ; vote: Seol

What do you know/are trying to cover up?
Or am I being picky about the semantics now?

Oh and before you say - lynch or lose for the town, let me cover that as well since no evil people have died, they can still take potshots at each other. I'm not ready to despair yet.

[Phoebus]

Heh Yosarian.

It's been what? 36 hours since I voted? You'd think some opportunistic scum would've tagged on at least one more vote during this time in a lynch or lose situation?
I'm sure they wouldn't all pile on. I'm also sure they wouldn't all sit back.

I never use FOS. It's worthless if you ask me. I want results. Votes get results.
WindSlicer was new and lurking. You're calling me experienced? I can tell you from experience since my first 6 games I was GF that it's a pretty good sign that you're scum when you're new and lurk for you'd rather not get pinged by anyone.
Moreover you shrug about Seol's vote on me and completely disregard the possibility that I could be a townie and the remaining scum could pile on me. In a sense, you're defending him aren't you? My vote's not OMGUS. I'd already indicated him as a potential recipient in my first post of the day.

So let's see what situation we have here:
Seol is less verbose and very possibly scum for being positively "unbrilliant" as Astro hinted at.
WindSlicer, a newbie, lurked. His replacement prefers to look at only one side of the argument and disregard the other possibility. He prefers voting after an FoS. He's FoSing me at this time. How long till a vote? He's also defending Seol.

Net effect: Seol + Yos2 = scum.

[Phoebus]

eah, like I said, I think it's more likely that we're in a 2 scum 1 SK situation, or a 2 groups of 2 scum each situation, but it is possible we're in lynch or lose. You're right that if we were in lynch or lose, I would expect the scum to pile on my bandwagon, but the thing is, if you are a good guy, then you voted right away in a situation that might have been lynch or lose, and might have cost us the game. The only way you could have known for sure, at the time, if we were in lynch or lose or not would be if you were scum.

Even if we're not in lynch or lose, there are probably at least 3 bad guys (2 scum+1 SK), and it's only 4 to lynch. You don't see the danger in throwing votes around like party favors? And you don't understand why I'm trying to get everyone to stop voting?

I get the 2 groups of 2 argument. How do you suppose it's more likely we have 2 and 1? 3 is the regular mini complement for mafia. 3 scum and 1 SK balance each other well. Make 2 scum and 1 SK and you tilt the balance towards both, the SK and the town with two lucky pot shots and/or cop investigations.

See, my surmise is that we have 3 + 1 as is regular purely with a view for balance. We may or may not be in a lynch or lose but my hunch says Seol is scum. I voted because I'm pretty sure he is. The lack of afore mentioned piling on is a fair indicator that he is.
Seol played markedly different as far as I see because he is mafia.
I can tell from experience that the SK has no strings attached and therefore, no reason to act any differently than he will as a townie. His survival also depends on getting scum out of the way.
Therefore, a change in play stye tell for scum will be more pertinent than for SK.
Lynching an SK in a 3+1 complement in the situation we find ourselves in at this moment is a loss for the town.
Seol hasn't acted like an SK or townie, but otherwise and therefore, feel my vote is safe on him.

I will admit this is all based on gut and instinct. I will also admit that what you say makes pure, cold logical sense. What does not make sense and makes your logic loose some of its sheen is the failure to admonish Seol., since all of my logic applies to him and more over, he's voted me second where either one of us prolly has to be townie for scum to pile on or both scum, which I think anyone will agree, is unlikely.

You don't even use FOS in possible lynch or lose situations where one wrong vote could cost the town the game?

If you will refer to the reason I've given above for voting Seol, you'll see why I'm voting.
In lynch or lose, I don't FOS. I don't vote and I indicate whom I might vote for.
I did this in my first post for the day. The funny thing here is that your outrage for voting seems more concerned for Seol than for the initial vote for WindLurker, your former self.

I don't FOS.

I'm not trying to defend anyone at this point. That would be foolish, as almost half the town has got to be BG's at this point, and especally because I do think Seol looks a little suspicious for supporting the wrong side of the lynch yesterday.

I will concede you are not actively defending Seol, no.
You never said, OMG! Seol =/ teh evil!
Your failure to admonish him for voting carries the implication that you defend him. You see where I'm going?

If one of the two of you is scum, there's no risk that that the remaining scum could pile on the other one, because one scum is already on that bandwagon. The only danger is if one townie votes for another in a Lynch or Lose situation, so that's only a danger if the two of you are both townies. And if you are both townies, and the scum wanted to pile onto a townie vote, then you were already voting for him.

Again, lack of reactions from others would indicate this is not townie v. townie. You can go check in other games if you want to analyse/meta game my play style if you like. Seol's is definitely markedly different.

That's all I was saying. Also, the reason I didn't specifically mention his vote because I wanted to see what his reaction would be if you did follow my request change your vote on him to an FOS for the moment. If he's a townie, I would expect him to do the same for the same reasons; if he's scum, I figured he's be tempted to try to to stick to his guns. (shrug) Basically I figured I'd get more interesting reactions this way, but as it seems you have no intention of unvoting anyway, the point is now moot.

I'm only quoting this to avoid being accused of deliberately misinterpreting or ignoring stuff but like you said - the point is moot.
I've explained above why I'm not unvoting.

In this case it's pretty clear that WindSlicer just didn't have time to play anymore, as he asked MeMe to replace him because of "limited game time". I like lurker hunting in general, but it should be pretty clear it dosn't apply in this case.

While WS definitely seems to have had problems with time to post which led to his replacement on day two, all throughout day one, he explicitly indicated that he was following the game and not interested in posting. I call this lurking. With one newbie already claiming like silly, I wouldn't be surprised if another decided to lurk his way to victory. Believe me, my first scum victory was like that. I've also asked to be replaced as scum under pressure. I'm not alluding to those being the circumstances here but definitely a possibility.

Actually, I haven't said anything about the argument you Seol were having. I did say that I was suspicious of the way you have been behaving today, and you have not yet given a good reason for why a GG would want to vote in that situation.

Read the first part of this post.

There's probably a mafia of at least 2 people. It's 4 people to lynch. There's no way I'm going to put a quick second vote on someone without the general agreement of the town, and I hope no one else would either. I'd feel safer if no one was voting at all, but it seems like you've decided to be stubborn on the issue.

For some odd reason, that seems exceedingly like currying favour and a pretense of being pro town and considerate. Maybe your third partner is a flake or maybe the reason you're waiting is to convince a couple of other townies to join my wagon and then finish it off. You've mentioned a 2 member group as most likely. Here, you say at least 2. Do you know something Seol does as well?
As fas as my stubborness goes - read the first part again.
I get the feeling a record is stuck. Both ways.

No, I'm attacking you because you committed actions that appear to not be pro-town; IE, voting in a situation where voting does not appear to me to be a pro-town action. The main thing you did that I thought looked suspicious was voting for a lurker "to get his attention" in a situation where that seemed a very dangerous move for a townie to make, especally if you were willing to change your vote quickly in response to an FOS someone else put on you. Spin it however you want, you look suspicious because of how you have acted today, and trying to turn it around on me and try to question my motives for pointing that out does not change the suspicious way you have behaved..

You wanna call it spin? Be my guest, doctor. I have explained my convictions. Evaluate them.

Oh and your rolled eyes are duly noted. Nice.

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I never completely subscribed to that comment directed at Astro.
I said you might be either of scum or town. IT was more surprise directed at Astro's preferred hannging off your coat tails. I also said it reflected on YOU if he was right. I'm tilting at this time towards saying you are scum.

And yet the vote count has the same number of votes on each of us. There's been a lack of piling on for both of us. Doesn't that indicator point at you just as much as me?

Actually, that means that either your scum buddies are lurking or you're not scum. I

have

been stewing on that for a while and I will

unvote: Seol

for now.

As for you not having anything to say - that seems just off.

That would be foolish, as almost half the town has got to be BG's at this point, and especally because I do think Seol looks a little suspicious for supporting the wrong side of the lynch yesterday.

Now you're really stretching. Johnny had

lied about his role

. I explained why, given the circumstances, we could be pretty much certain that it was Johnny who was lying, not Coolbot. Under those circumstances, you lynch the liar. And you know what, my reasoning held up - Coolbot was the one telling the truth about his role.

Given what we knew at the time

, he was absolutely the right person to lynch.

Again with the finding any convenient reason for an attack on me.

Talk about misrepresentation!
I have

never

said that. It was Yosarian2.
Are you trying to sell something off something to the town by thrusting a misleading quote in the middle of others and falsely attributing it to me by saying "Phoebus wrote"?
You're the one stretching it. Not me. I think you're a more careful player than this Seol. This will just make me more certain you're scum. You make me wonder if I should revote you. This has turned into a convenient reason to attack me!
I don't FoS. I don't use words like GG and BG.

But you did vote. Straight off the bat, you voted for someone based on lurking in what might be lynch-or-lose. Surely that's a really dangerous move for a townie? And you must know that, mustn't you?

So why did you do it?

Because, given WindSlicer's previous lurking I thought he was newbie scum. I already told you I vote if I believe I have scum.
WS's replacement, Yosarian2, has acted in no way that my suspicions of him or his predecessor would lessen. As of now, you both = scum.

For now, I'd like to hear Tally's comments. I want inHim to contribute more. And if we could please get prods on the others who are AWOL?

[Phoebus]

I find it interesting that WindSlicer chose to be replaced in this particular game, when he was under pressure for lurking and such and he is still contributing in this one.

[Phoebus]

We might as well vote Astro with three people commenting on his scuminess.

But I'd return Seol's compliment and prefer him over Astro.
Again with the discussing likelihood of scum numbers.
What

do

you know?

I also think it's fairly important, regardless of any "good" vibes Yos may be giving, which, to me, he is not. WindSlicer did ask to be replaced when under pressure. I know from experience that playing as newbie scum can be daunting. The fact that Yos has been deflecting about Seol makes me more comfortable voting Seol, Yos (depending on whether Seol is scum - though I'm convinced he is) and then Astro (him being second is Seol is OK - unlikely)

[Phoebus]

Seol

I know we've got at least two cops (one of which we admittedly don't know the mechanics of), a vig, a doc, and two masons. With a setup like that, two Mafia and an SK doesn't

seem

enough, and Meme's an experienced mod and a very experienced player.

(I changed the italicised part)

MeMe's experience as a player and mod would definitely enable her, if she chose to do so, to balance a game which would appear otherwise. Given Astro's claim, and given that I think he's scummy, a free lynch could be such a balancing measure.
He could even be SK. MeMe was the first of the SK winners in what has become a rising trend lately. She won MasiaSTOM by being part of a mason group. I know she prefers to beef up the SK a little bit.
There has also been discussion after Astro's claim about his ability not appearing to be anything other than pro town. In my book, MeMe's experience would lead her to being able to foresee such reactions and therefore, deliberately include this.
I know I try and think of what might be so ridiculous that one could get away with it when I try to introduce weird roles/mechanics in my games.
Would you call me experienced? However, it's all meta gaming. We will only know what's what once we finish this game or lynch someone.

As for that post, I probably got distracted. I will dig it up and see if I need to address anything there.

And I'm not averse to discussing it. There's just this little hint of knowledge about your posts that rubs me wrong.

I'm going to ignore Yosarian's shrug in post 256. I'm very close to voting for him. He's trying to appear too nonchalant about his predecessor's actions.

Astro's current departure will stall things - but I'm happy voting either Yos or Seol. His half-claim is annoying. A name to go along with it would have been useful. Nowhere does he categorily state that he is not evil. People might ask, why I require this, but even in text medium, people don't like lying unless they're forced to. When you're a townie, you have no problem sayng you're town. Astro never said that with his claim, or even earlier - though I'm working off memory with this. I don't see why even evil could not survive one lynch in a theme game, especially discussing what I just pointed out above about a possibly smaller complement of scum getting a few perks.

And in preview, I see the second time that Yos categorily presents both sides of the argument, trying to be helpful while he adds no content whatsoever. The first would be post 259.

[Phoebus]

I think Yos and Seol are in cahoots and would vote either.
Yos more for behaviour of his predecessor (meta-gaming) and his brazen attempts at being smooth.
Cahoots? Because however subtly, Yos has shielded Seol, who still rubs me slightly wrong. Given our claimed masons, I see no reason for anyone to defend anyone else.
Moreso, with two cops dead.

[Phoebus]

That's just it.
You're not contributing much, are you?
You're presenting ALL sides of an argument. How useful is that!
How is it that none of your posts address all arguments and then suggest a good plan for getting scum lynched? Instead of that, by your own admission, you're more concerned about being lynched.

As far as who gets to pick in case of a claim, I doubt your opinion holds much water. However, again, you choose to ignore Seol. Astro is scummy, yes. I'm scummy?
Well, can you do a breakdown? Apart from my early vote, give me some better material. Come on!

[Phoebus]

That should be - a breakdown of my posts and how they're scummy. I feel you're hung up on the early vote as well.

In fact, I think I've had enough. 24 hours and I vote Yosarian.
Convince me not to do so.
You're pushing all the wrong buttons for me.

[Phoebus]

Yosarian

Don't bother with the PBPA. With my

vote: Yosarian2

, you are probably going to retaliate.

Seol

I skimmed your post. I agree that Astro is probable scum and that his ability is prolly more useful for evil.
As for the other post, I can't be arsed now.
Hard man to please? Sure.

I would agree with half of all your posts and disagree with all of them.
From where I'm standing, I'm making sense. This happened in Jaguar's Egypt mafia as well. I had the whole game lined up for the townies (I was SK there) but scum managed to beat everything down by spinning things. Slightly batty townies did not help the mix either. I had to die and the cop as well plus an excruciatingly long endgame before the town won.
I don't know whether I said it here or elsewhere, but there will probably never be cold clear logic to my posts. All I know is I've done pretty good with pinging scum in minis lately, whether I have been able to explain my reasons are not. Sometimes I've become Cassandra, other times I've been standing tall at the end.
Here, I've tried to explain my way. Apparently, nobody can/wants to see it that way.
Again, it doesn't help that the two people I'm convinced are scum are the ones who're stretching things out.

Want to call this defeat? Want to call this scummy? Be my guests. I will supply a claim when my turn comes. Though it's great to see games coming down to claims on day two.

While I'm on this, let me throw a titbit out.
This pertains especially to Tally's wondering who scum are. I've been wondering the same thing. We have to keep in mind that this is Tom Cruise mafia and not "roles of Tom Cruise". He has other strings attached to him. Some current. Some old. Some never attached but have had some effect on him. I don't see any Cruise role harming him or other roles. However, we could have other people/roles etc. Was there any movie where there was an actual, cut-set arch villain? Who'd have it in for Cruise?

I was in MeMe's last game - American Idol, where along with contestants and judges, roles ranged from "Your Secret Past" which was the SK to "AT&T Wireless subscriber" who was the backup cop. Having said this, the mass claim seems apt. Doesn't mean it's fun though. Oh well.

Legend - throws up material on Lords of Darkness and whatnot.
Meh.

[Phoebus]

Katie Holmes.

[Phoebus]

It very definitely is.
It's the reason why I said that the mafia could probably be Cruise enemies in the movie or iRL if there were any. He hasn't played any evil characters, has he?
The claims of both Astro and Seol are rubbing me the wrong way. The Cruise characters might seem OK but their movies give off wrong vibes.

I shall reflect on Yos, pending his power claim. Maverick was rather the arrogant prat. If at all there is a Cruise role mafia, I think he would be a person who would think that he could get away with murder.

unvote: Yos

[Phoebus]

How is Katie scum?
It isn't BS. You want to outguess the mod by wearing blinders?
There's a reason I picked up on Tally's wonderings and added my two cents.

It's not a claim out of the blue. That argument was backed by theory. Including both, my current claim and MeMe's previous games.

I'm a hider.

[Phoebus]

vote: Seol

3/4

[Phoebus]

I do believe

vote: No Lynch

is the way to go.
Let scum figure this one out.

Seol seemed to know a thing or two about the setup. That's rather interesting in retrospect, isn't it? I've had my doubts since he started talking about numbers.


He voted Astro twice. Yos only got an FoS.
Yos to an extent, his predecessor to a larger extent, was scummy. I'm getting more convinced WindSlicer got cold feet and got replaced. You needn't get cold feet as SK. when it's a team effort to win, it's more likely.

I think Astro's claim is a gutsy one since he picked a dark/grey character which would be less likely to conflict with a pro-town one.

[Phoebus]

I don't understand why you'd need to hedge around if it's such a brilliant plan.
You only raise my confidence in your evil intentions.

Vote stays.

[Phoebus]

And here, you just assume, don't you?
Scumbag! You know you're it.

I just don't see how you'd think a girl is evil over a bloodthirsty vamp with a lynch immunity - read SK benefit.

[Phoebus]

Well, the way Yos puts it, trying to lynch Astro given his claim is valid would equate a no lynch. The only thing is - even if we try to pressure him, Fuldu has to vote last.

His stalling just makes me think it's a futile effort.
What do you *think* he's going to suggest Yos? Too many insinuations!

Oh and you can't question my committment to this game and the man...I'm having his baby!

[Phoebus]

I'm having a baby! You wouldn't do that to me, would you?

[Phoebus]

vote: no lynch

Or rather, you took a shot at me. I wasn't lying when I said I was a hider.
You are implicated as scum due to your reactions and Seol's.
Seol also seemed to know a thing or two about the scum complement when he said two people didn't seem enough.
Astro has been too hare-brained in his claiming to be townie. Plus he has that free lynch.

You people can fight this out tonight. I won't be hiding. Kill me and the other kills you, you give him the victory. Have fun.

Or maybe you want to claim your power, Maverick?
You've gone longest without even hinting at what you do. You kill people, don't you?