Last Will Mafia II (Over)

[Kmd4390]

Hey everyone. Twomz and Nacho give me scum vibes. Diacria needs to die regardless of alignment. Millar is town.

Vote Twomz

[Kmd4390]

Is Diacria a hydra?

Vote: Kmd

Out of pure policy

[Kmd4390]

Start what?

[Kmd4390]

I don't get it. Why is Millar town on page two? Or is that just joking around?

His play displays a town thought process.

I (usually) don't joke about my reads.

[Kmd4390]

Shattered, considering that's your 3rd vote already, I'd like to know why CMAR.

[Kmd4390]

Xite isn't an alt. I know her IRL. She started playing mafia offsite a couple years ago and heard about almost all of the games I played. She just recently got around to joining MS even though she said she was doing it as soon as she moved.

[Kmd4390]

Raider, who are you referring to as "the new guy"?

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EGL, no, I don't care that they voted each other.

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Charlie is town. Debating on EGL, but I'm leaning town. Twomz needs more votes.

[Kmd4390]

This feeling you have is actually counterintuitive. The more scummy I feel early on, the more likely I am to be town and vice versa. Ask CMAR, Pitt and anyone else that's played with me.

No.

I voted Nacho because I've played with him. I'm not quite sure why you're harpin on me for that though.

I suspected you and Nacho for separate reasons until this post.

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Millar, it's hard to have any opinion on CMAR and CSL when they haven't posted yet. The biggest thing I can pick up is what other people say about them which isn't useful unless I see a flip from those people. The only other thing is that they haven't posted, so the are lurkers/inactive. My opinion on Twomz should be obvious. I think he is scum.

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Smash Bras is town.

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Shattered is scum.

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Xite, good luck with that. I don't feel pressure. Ever.

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Xite, why is Diacria scum? And why unvote if you think that?

[Kmd4390]

Shattered, any chance you can answer my question about switching your vote in every post?

[Kmd4390]

Call me when you start playing the game.

[Kmd4390]

Kill Shattered Viewpoint

I honestly wasn't gonna use that this early.

[Kmd4390]

Twomz, the kill won't end the day. Hell, I don't think it even goes into effect until the day ends.

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Richard, no. Shattered made a few posts that didn't include that statement.

[Kmd4390]

Twomz, arrangements? Huh?

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Richard's posts about Millar are scummy.

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EGL, nothing really solid. Mostly a gut feeling. I'm pretty confident in it, but I know it's not enough to convince anyone, so I'll wait til I see something a bit more solid. We've got some time.

Also, I wasn't avoiding your question. Just haven't gotten around to posting.

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Twomz, no, I'm not playing "OMGREACTIONZ". I actually think you are scum.

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Raider might be scum.

[Kmd4390]

Twomz, arrangements? Huh?

Yup, no strings attached either.

Interested?

Explain.

How has no one even

commented

on this yet??

I, for one, am done with RVS. (I know, I don't get to dictate these things. )

unvote

Vote: Twomz

Explain.

Haha, I can name a few times you would feel pressure

Lies.

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I'll have no access tomorrow or Wednesday. Going on a camping trip and won't be back til Thursday night.

[Kmd4390]

Unvote, Vote Richard

[Kmd4390]

@Raider: So why is that scummy?

^This.

@kmd: Since you're daykill (if it exists) is most likely one shot, I decided that it would be fun to give you another one-shot ability tonight to help out. I was hoping I wouldn't have to come out and say something like this, but would draw enough attention that maybe the scum would shoot at me instead of say... a cop, but I guess it doesn't matter all that much.

If kmd's kill doesn't go through the free one-shot w/e goes to someone else. Anyone interested in a second spot?

Meh, I wanted to see how Shattered reacted to being "dead". I think he's town. Was gonna say this last post, but didn't know what you were on about, so I waited.

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Pittbunny's last few posts have me second guessing my town read.

[Kmd4390]

V/LA for the next 3 days

[Kmd4390]

Back. Didn't really sleep much on my camping trip. My mind isn't really here to catch up. Getting up early in the morning. I'll try getting a post together tomorrow night.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, let's see what I missed.

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Twomz vote on Richard way back on Page 10 seems overexplained for a quick "meh, let's do this" kind of vote.

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holy is town.

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Rhinox brings up a good point about Dana. Why would you vote Shattered if he may be dying anyway.

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Millar's claim makes him a good vig target.

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Unvote

til I read everything after Page 13 which won't be now.

[Kmd4390]

I hate "I'm still here" posts, but yeah. That. The lack of Twomz votes in the last vote count is disturbing.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, starting with Page 14, let's see how far I can get. Didn't think I'd be this busy for this long as soon as I got back from my V/LA.

I've tunneled hopelessly as town, and as KMD can attest (you damn lover) scum can tunnel too. If it wasn't for KMD I'd say it's more of a town tell. So now I tell people to stop tunneling to see how they respond, ask them about another player, or something but I tend to ignore most of the points if it looks like somebody is tunneling.

Heh, didn't really tunnel on Percy that game. I actually "connected" him and my scumbuddy then switched to getting my buddy lynched to use it against Percy and used my town read on my lover to get the other pair lynched. But yeah, I get the logic here. Town tunneling and scum tunneling both happen.

I have not bothered to attempt to get real reads on people. With a game this large I like to wait for a while first to get a feel of how the players are posting.

This sounds like something you would have said in that Newbie game we played ages ago where I nailed scum-you and got you lynched Day 1.

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Ok, I'm too lazy right now. Page 16 and the rest when I feel like it.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, on Page 16, Xite. You said you'd made your case, but weren't voting. What case were you referring to and why didn't you feel the need to vote? Also, you said you were looking at ISOs. On who, and what did you find?

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Don't buy the Raider "slip". Don't agree with his reasoning on Millar though either.

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Pittbunny's Raider vote looks particularly scummy.

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EGL is town.

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I'm through Page 18.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, starting with Page 19. Did Xite seriously just say that town shouldn't pressure anyone? Wow. I thought you were better than that.

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Agree with Millar being town, but already did.

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Twomz, I didn't mean

your vote

was disturbing. I meant that it's disturbing that nobody is voting you.

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I'd bet money that two of Pitt/Chevre/Nacho are scum.

Silly, you don't know the meaning of silly.

I have this pic in my phone.

More importantly, who is scum?

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Xite's posts are frustrating to read. Still determining whether they are scummy or not though.

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Through 22.

[Kmd4390]

Oh wut deadlines in 4 days.

Oh crap maybe I should catch up faster. I'm currently making my first ever post from a phone. Maybe I can read up at work if it's slow or something. Or during the party I'll be at immediately after. Yeah, pointless post but I wanna test my new phone. In all seriousness, I'll be catching up pretty soon. I'm just about there as long as you guys don't postexplode on me.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, I'm on Page 23 and I don't follow CSL's logic on his connections or whatever that it supposed to be.

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Twomz's vote on CSL is horrible.

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Charlie, I know razorback IRL.

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Smash Bras asked fro everyone's top three suspects. Mine are Twomz, Pittbunny and either Richard or Nacho.

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Ok, now that I'm caught up...

Raider wagon is meh, but it's better than CSL. Shattered and Richard wagons are better, but I don't think they can take off.

Vote Raider

[Kmd4390]

Ok, phone post.

Rhinox, with a dealine coming up, we can't get too picky. The 3/4 I listed would be my top lynch choices. Shattered comes a little after that. Problem is, I don't feel confident trying to swing a lynch that way in just a few days. I'd rather lynch raider than no lynch, so I'll settle for that.

[Kmd4390]

Oh, wait. We can lynch without majority. Didn't realize that. So it's not a no lynch if Raider doesn't reach the full count. Ok.

Unvote, Vote Richard

. This wagon is much better.

[Kmd4390]

Twomz is still scum. Raider and csl are probtown. Richard is still the best lynch.

[Kmd4390]

unvote, vote shattered

Not a terrible choice and id rather not no lynch.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, I need to look at this game pretty closely when I can. Not sure why Elli gave his vote to Twomz, but meh. I'm assuming multiple scum on the Shattered wagon. Curious why Smash Bros said the same thing, but only one of his four suspects was on that wagon. Between Amished/Twomz/Ani/Pittbunny, we'll probably net 2 or 3 scum. I'd bet money (or my avatar) on this. Then again, FL has first dibs at my avatar if he's ever around.

[Kmd4390]

Twomz, yeah, I'll take the bet.

[Kmd4390]

Damn, way too busy lately.

A Charlie lynch would be bad.

[Kmd4390]

Holy shit, so much going on IRL. This kinda sucks.

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Locke, I'm against a Charlie lynch because I have a strong town read on him.

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Xite, yeah, see RL. I don't have much time for mafia lately. I'm pretty confident in my reads. I just don't have enough time to push them real hard like I normally do.

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Vote Animorph x2

. Not so sure I want to lynch Twomz and give someone three votes. Animorph is my next biggest scum read. Pittbunny is right up there too, but I don't expect to be able to convince anyone of that right now.

[Kmd4390]

Twomz, I don't remember "A" happening. "B" is a straight up no. And I don't remember "C" either.

[Kmd4390]

I'd be ok with lynching richard.

[Kmd4390]

Twomz, ok, yeah I remember that now.

Jahudo, there's no change there. First quote is that I don't really like the raider wagon but its better than the one on csl. Third quote is where I say that they are probably both town. I don't see any change. And yeah, I wanted shattered to think he was really dying so I could get a better read.

Magua, the one liners come from times like now where I'm at work and pull my phone out on my 15 min break to catch up on mafia.

[Kmd4390]

Jahudo, I didn't feel like the shattered lynch could happen at the time. Also, you are misreading that last quote. The point was that at the time dana had posted, I hadn't said the kill was fake yet, so dana's post made no sense at the time it was made.

unvote, vote richard x2

[Kmd4390]

Yeah, I may not be very active the next few days. I work 37.5 hours between today, tomorrow, and Monday.

[Kmd4390]

Since when is ragequitting scummy?

[Kmd4390]

Smash bras, how does ragequitting avoid suspicion? Being replaced makes it impossible to win regardless of alignment. You say it is illogical for town to ragequit. The same can be said for scum.

[Kmd4390]

Richard, are you allowed to self-protect?

[Kmd4390]

Does your Role PM specifically say that?

[Kmd4390]

Interesting...

[Kmd4390]

Locke, I didn't expect it to be specified, so I thought he'd have to ask the Mod. Nothing solid one way or the other really. Just not what I expected.

This usually results in a drunken night of regrettable sex

Heh, don't even joke about that. That shit's legit......

[Kmd4390]

So that if he is telling the truth about his role, we don't waste a mislynch on him.

[Kmd4390]

Yeah.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, Charlie is now confirmed town.

Scum are:
Animorph
Amished
Pittbunny
Ythan
Twomz
Richard

Let's lynch one of them. I don't care which one.

[Kmd4390]

Because there is no way in hell that he is scum.

[Kmd4390]

*Shrug*

It's one of my subtle tells that no one is going to buy, but heregoes I guess.

I cannot read Jahudo due to avatar bias. The red panda is distracting, and all his posts are diluted because of it. I'm not joking: this happened to me before in my second Newbie game here, long completed. It was squirrels that time.

This is just so out there that I believe it to be honest cuz let's face it. What scum is gonna be like "oh, I'm gonna say this even though it's not true" and then post something like this.

Going off of the assumption that this is an honest post, the fact that he says he can't read Jahudo means he was attempting to. So it's an honest scum hunting post. Charlie is town.

[Kmd4390]

Oh shit, Jahudo is right. Hmm. I still had a town read, just thought that sealed it. Guess not. Still think Charlie is town though.

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Smash Bras, the new avatar makes me want to go play Smash Bras now.

[Kmd4390]

Unvote Richard x2

Just decided I believe the claim.

[Kmd4390]

Charlie, who do I closely resemble out of curiosity?

[Kmd4390]

Charlie, who do I closely resemble out of curiosity?

Furry.

Heh. Yeah, similar playstyles. I can definitely see that.

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Guys, we should lynch someone on the list I gave that isn't Richard.

[Kmd4390]

I don't like any of the wagons.

I'll start my own.

vote amished x2

This is my most confident scum read. Let's lynch him.

[Kmd4390]

A quick glance at the vote counts is more than enough

[Kmd4390]

Jahudo, everyone.

Holy, I plan on it. I need some decent sleep one night though. When I get that, I'll do it.

[Kmd4390]

I'll elaborate on Amished when I get a chance. I was about to catch up on my games, got through two of them, then my girlfriend texted wanting to go see a movie. I'll get to it when I'm around again.

[Kmd4390]

@kmd4390: You claim to not like any of the bandwagons that's going on. Yet I haven't heard anything out of you regarding Chronopie, another major bandwagon. Why do you think the Chronopie bandwagon is a bad bandwagon?

It's a more appealing wagon than Richard or Charlie, but I have a slight town read on Chrono.

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Chrono, look at your wagon analysis. Where is Amished on all of those vote counts? What is your opinion of this?

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Kmd (Not playing how I've seen him play as town whether I was playing or not/ not really contributing)

What game did I play as scum that was similar to the way I am playing this game?

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KMD: Join the EGL wagon. Your top scum read vehemently opposing it shows we're at least on the right track...

Actually, when Amished flips scum, this becomes a good point. What other major wagons has Amished opposed? Scanning Amished's ISO for EGL's name, I find a quick "suspicion towards EGL" earlier and a more recent "EGL isn't scum" followed by the statement you referenced. Amished/EGL scumteam. I'd rather lynch Amished first though.

[Kmd4390]

unvote, vote egl x2

Better lynch than richard and I haven't had time to show why amished is scum yet. The connection between egl and amished is so obvious though that it should make tomorrow easier after egl flips scum.

[Kmd4390]

Why would you track a claimed beloved princess?

[Kmd4390]

Interested why xite is asking ythan what he did last night. I don't like that he has 3 votes now because I think he is scum.

[Kmd4390]

I don't understand why TownYthan would possibly one-shot kill millar when claimed CPR doc Richard was being pushed to "protect" millar. It makes no sense.

Also, Richard is so obvtown and I predict 2-3 scum on his wagon right now.

[Kmd4390]

Amished, there is still the chance that Ythan didn't use his kill at all. Don't assume that I believe both of them to be telling the truth. I

could

, however, see scum blocking Richard just to stop millar from dying and make him an easy lynch today (this only applies if Ythan is town). They could also have blocked Ythan knowing that he had the one-shot kill.

Also, Ythan hasn't claimed at all. All we have is that Twomz gave him a one-shot kill. This says NOTHING at all about Ythan's alignment.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, Charlie is now confirmed town.

Scum are:
Animorph
Amished
Pittbunny

Ythan

Twomz
Richard

Let's lynch one of them. I don't care which one.

Note:Obviously Twomz no longer belongs on this list. Probably not Richard either.

[Kmd4390]

holycon, do you think that if Ythan were scum, Twomz would have been told "no, Ythan is scum. Pick someone else"? No. It doesn't work that way. An inventor can still unknowingly give to scum.

[Kmd4390]

To be clear, it can be 99.9% confirmed that Ythan DID RECIEVE a one-shot kill (the .1% being the off chance that either Twomz lied as town or was roleblocked and Ythan lied about receiving the kill, neither of which being likely at all), BUT, it can NOT be confirmed that through this series of events Ythan is town.

[Kmd4390]

Batt, Smash Bras is town.

(and because you just replaced in, you get the benefit of me telling you that that hasn't been confirmed in thread in any way and is just a statement coming from me)

[Kmd4390]

Batt, Raider was scum in this game.

Can you link a town game where he scumhunts early?

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Ythan, ask the Mod if you still have the kill. And if you have role related info that shows Richard is scum, share it. If not, no reason to claim.

[Kmd4390]

Need to catch up. Won't be today. Sorry.

[Kmd4390]

Guys, I think I'm gonna be able to catch up tomorrow morning. Day off from work.

Also, the richard wagon needs to be disolved by a nice counterwagon. Not so sure smash bras is it though.

[Kmd4390]

My case is that if I had time to pull together a full VCA TM, I can tell by glancing at vote counts that it would point straight to amished.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, starting with Page 54.

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Batt, a good IC doesn't change their play in a newbie game. Raider was scum in that game. If you are looking for scum meta, there it is.

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Xite, you clear Richard on the basis that:
A) Millar lived and Ythan claimed the kill
OR
B) Millar died and nobody claimed the kill except Richard.

With Millar dead and Ythan countering the kill, your logic to clear Richard makes no sense. I do think Richard is town, but I don't get your thought process.

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If Richard flips scum, I can see Xitescum.
If Ythan flips scum, I can see Battscum.

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If I had to guess now on what happened regarding millar, I think Ythan is scum who didn't use the kill so he could pocket it as an extra scum kill later.

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Plum, no, I am not scum.

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Given the two claims on the death of millar13, right now I'm leaning toward Ythan. Granted, it doesn't confirm him as town as Kmd4390 pointed out, but given Ythan's more towny play over RichardGHP's very scummy play, plus that I can see more town motivations for Ythan to kill millar13, I'm inclined to believe that Ythan killed millar13 over RichardGHP. Of course one of them being role blocked can be an acceptable explanation, but I feel that RichardGHP killed millar13 for town creds just so he can survive another day.

Huh? You think Ythan killed millar over Richard, but you think Richard killed millar for town cred? I'm lost.

Would you like to point out the BLARING contradiction here, or shall I?

Pretty sure I found it.

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wait, wait, wait.

Smash Bras, are you saying that you think Richard performed the kill as an ordinary scum kill and Twomz was killed by a second scum group?
Xite, are you saying the above is false because Twomz would have only been killed by Richard's scum group?

Smash Bras, what are your thoughts on Ythan?

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Xite, what EXACTLY, do you think happened with millar? If I am reading you right, you think BOTH Richard and Ythan are town. But if both are telling the truth, what is your theory on why millar is dead?

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Don't like Jahudo laughing off Charlie's suspicion.

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Michel,

what was wrong with the fake dayvig?

(you answered this). If you think I fake daykilled, knowing an inventor would offer me a kill, thus outting himself, I appreciate your compliment of my insane skillz.

There also has been a remarkable lack of kills. Night 1 only saw a single kill. Night 2 saw two kills, one of which is quite probably the result of a pro-town ability. I think it's unlikely that a kill was prevented on both nights. It's possible that a scumgroup simply failed to send in a nightchoice once

SCUM FOUND SCUM FOUND SCUM FOUND SCUM FOUND SCUM FOUND

Why do you talk like it is a fact that we have multiple scum groups?

Also, you mention the whole "roleblocking possibility was too known" and even point to specific posts, but don't single out those who made the posts: Locke, Pittbunny (Batt), Xite, Charlie. Why? <One of those players is Michel's scumbuddy by the way. Batt/Michel/Ythan team?

In defense to your points against me,
A) the fake daykill, see above
B) believing Richard's claim, I have my reasons. It has nothing to do with a roleblock possibility.
C) voted EGL, he was a likely lynch as it was and I saw a connection to Amished so figured may as well. And tracking a claimed beloved princess made absolutely no sense whatsoever.
D) Having different reads than you, not a scumtell

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Wow, Charlie's Richard vote is...terrible.

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Hold on. I think I just figured something out. Won't say it in thread though. Holy shit, this changes things. (Note: It doesn't affect the Richard vs Ythan situation...much)

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Vote Smash Bras x2

for not being Richard and for having a wagon already.

[Kmd4390]

Xite, no. I'm not letting you off because you say I didn't just sit here and read every little bit of the game I missed. You pushed for richards lynch harder than possibly anyone here and now you are calling him town. The claimed actions don't fully add up and nothing in these actions can confirm the alignment of either player, yet you change your mind and fail at telling us why.

Give me your reasoning for this flip in your next post.

[Kmd4390]

Xite, I don't want quotes that I already said make no sense. Write a new post and explain your thoughts as clearly as possible.

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Charlie, k. That's a pretty fair assumption.

[Kmd4390]

In other words, I don't want an explanation of how we COULD HAVE cleared richard. I want to know why you think he is town.

[Kmd4390]

Rhinox, mostly his tone, especially after votes started piling on. I kind of caught a few of those "tells that are significant to me, but no one else will buy". I can share if you'd like, but I doubt you'll agree with them.

Also, he's not Richard.

[Kmd4390]

pPlum, when I get a chance to look back, I will. Being sick for a couple weeks shouldn't be combined with lack of sleep and mass amounts of work outside rain or shine.

Michel, you're fine. I changed my mind on you. In defense though, its extremely rare that I catch a power role as scum. I don't even bother trying anymore. I challenge anyone here to find a game where I did it. If you can, I will gladly hang.


Xite, what about my play is scummy?

Shit I forgot the line things to divide shit. Does that even help anyway? Whatever I'm getting loopy. This post needs to end.

[Kmd4390]

Charlie, Michel is voting Smash Bras, but you are voting Richard.

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Ok, what I've noticed on Smash Bras today:

All right, I see the contradiction. The reason for it is because I had forgotten that there was a vigilante that could potentionally take care of of millar13 and I thought lynching was the only way we could achieve the option. However, I did eventually realize that a vigilante may very well be in this game and we shouldn't rule out the possibility of having one, which is why I'm no longer in favor of a millar13's lynch. Now I would say that RichardGHP's claim if true could use his protect on millar13, but as explained by this post, I've done a complete 180 on my opinion on RichardGHP's claim. So I'm suggesting that if there's a real Vigilante, he should vig millar13 tomorrow. If millar13 is a Beloved Princess and is telling the truth, we have prevented a day from being lost. If millar13 is lying, then we have a dead scum.

@RichardGHP: Would you mind explaining why you targetted millar13?

This is just a . It's basically "Anyone with a town killing ability needs to target millar. Hey Richard, why did you try to kill millar?"

Definently will take a closer look at the EGL bandwagon later. I believe that we have scum on that bandwagon as well and this time, I will take a look at everyone.

Threw out an obvious statement with an empty promise at further analysis that never happened.

Given the two claims on the death of millar13, right now I'm leaning toward Ythan. Granted, it doesn't confirm him as town as Kmd4390 pointed out, but given Ythan's more towny play over RichardGHP's very scummy play, plus that I can see more town motivations for Ythan to kill millar13, I'm inclined to believe that Ythan killed millar13 over RichardGHP. Of course one of them being role blocked can be an acceptable explanation, but I feel that RichardGHP killed millar13 for town creds just so he can survive another day.

This was the one that had me lost and already pointed out. I see in Smash Bras' ISO that he answered this last night and I missed it, so I'll look at that now. And I actually understand this now that I see he meant the factional kill, so ignore this one.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, what did I do to those quote tags.

Mod, can I have those fixed please?

[Kmd4390]

Charlie, how sure are you of those 3 town reads?

[Kmd4390]

Xite, examples of active lurking please.

[Kmd4390]

Amished, what? The case on richard comes from his claim and not his awful play? The claim is what changed my mind on richard.

Xite, I'm not gonna respond to every little bit of the thread. I'm not mastin. Also, if I was scum with smash bras, why wouldn't I just push the richard lynch with some bogus "more information" kind of reason?

[Kmd4390]

Xite, that makes no sense. You are saying I am only commenting on big things. Yeah, anything that is a big deal, I'll post about. Anything else doesn't matter as much.

And that doesn't answer my question. Let's put me in the shoes of smash bras buddy. I've been calling him town all game. I called richard scummy til he claimed. Now that ythan comes out with what some consider evidence against richard, smash bras gets votes. Why would I not jump on richard?

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Nacho, if richard or ythan was roleblocked, they could both be telling the truth. Nobody is willing to lych ythan though, so I picked the non-richard lynch that could actually happen.

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Amished, hard to tell from my phone.

[Kmd4390]

Please, where are these reactions?

What reactions?

And please reorganize your thoughts of that last post so that I can understand them. kthnx

What part?

[Kmd4390]

Oh, and Xite, why didn't you tell me the big news? [/offtopic]

[Kmd4390]

There was a vote count at the top of the page and no votes on this page. You should consider voting elsewhere though.

[Kmd4390]

So...you haven't seen it yet or...?

[Kmd4390]

Xite, see my response to plum asking me the exact same question.

And THE big news. Can't say who told though. That's top secret. [/more offtopic than you]

[Kmd4390]

I used quotes, yeah. Might be a good idea to read what I wrote under them too.

And the news is about you and I don't think it has spread very far.

[Kmd4390]

Xite, I think I said pretty specifically that they were tells I picked up that I didn't expect anyone to believe even though they were strong tells to me.

[Kmd4390]

Richard, wanna help with the smash bras counterwagon?

[Kmd4390]

K.

[Kmd4390]

Holy, no, the daykill was to see how shattered would react to being dead. The Gambit is too popular to have much success anymore though. And no, I didn't get an invention. And I don't tend to elaborate on reads when they are either gut or a catch on something so small and specific that no one else is going to follow it anyway.

[Kmd4390]

Batt, what "information" would you take from a richard town flip?

[Kmd4390]

Good morning.

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Xite, why is ythan town?

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Charlie, who are your top two town reads and top two scum reads?

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Holy, pretty sure batt was joking. He's still scummy though.

[Kmd4390]

Charlie, mind answering my question?

[Kmd4390]

Not quite what I was expecting

[Kmd4390]

Xite, no. The fact that ythan killed millar does NOT make him town. The kill was the result of an invention given to him by twomz. He could have used it regardless of alignment. The millar kill says absolutely NOTHING about ythan's alignment.

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Animorph, batt was recruited on night 4. I'm the cult recruiter. Why waste time lynching one of my recruits?

[Kmd4390]

I almost want to sig something from animorph in this game, but I'm not sure what.

vote xite x2

[Kmd4390]

I don't like your inability to take a solid stance. Its just not you. We even talked about this after firefly mafia. You decide what your opinion is, latch on, and refuse to believe anything else is right.

[Kmd4390]

Xite, its more a personality thing than specifically a mafia playstyle. And its not your opinion of smash bras that I'm concerned with. Its richard and now ythan.

[Kmd4390]

Keeping my vote on xite for now.

[Kmd4390]

Plum, its hard to do a VCA TM from my phone. But richard's claim actually was what convinced me. I believed it. My mistake.

[Kmd4390]

Plum, explain your town read on ythan.

[Kmd4390]

Ythan, why do you consider yourself obvtown?

Unvote, vote Ythan x2

to make a statement.

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Rhinox is scum with Ythan. Seriously, if I was scum who had aone-shot kill that everyone knew about, I'd sure as hell use it the same way I would as town. Hell, I may even consider shooting a buddy to confirm myself depending on the specific situation in the game.

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Looks like Xite has a lot to learn about WIFOM. That's ok, most of mafiascum is the same way. I'd suggest playing on SA to learn how it really works.

[Kmd4390]

If I had a kill, ythan would probably already be dead.

[Kmd4390]

Yes! A Ythan wagon is forming!

[Kmd4390]

We need more Ythan votes.

[Kmd4390]

But plum is town.

[Kmd4390]

Charlie, what is your opinion of Locke?

[Kmd4390]

Quick list:

The obvtown

Charlie - Everything he has done is so town it's scary. I probably won't vote him at all in this game
Plum - Raider's wagon earlier made him town or something. Can't remember specifics but I remember deciding that him and CSL were town.
holycon - Pinged a town tell early. I don't remember what, but I remember it was strong.

The ones I can't make up my mind on

nachomamma8 - He seemed scummy Day 1, but it's hard to form a real opinion on him.
Jahudo - Hard to tell. I know him to be a good player, but he isn't really notable here.
Battousai - Replaced Pittbunny who I was sure was scum. Started out scummy. Then went and pinged one of my solid town tells. WTF BATT.
esuriospiritus - I lean town, but don't like the play. Seems genuine, but not great. Whatever, keep doing what you're doing I guess.
chronopie- See above.

The ones who I don't feel comfortable calling town

Amished - I remember even the quickest glance at vote counts had me screaming scum.
Xite91 - The second most frustrating living player in this game.
Locke - Pinged my scumdar for something that it doesn't benefit the town to share.
animorpherv1 - Not only the "wait, he's in this game?" player, but quick glances at vote counts don't look good. Wouldn't stand in the way of his lynch at all.

The ones with multiple votes

Rhinox - I haven't been agreeing with a lot of what he says. Hard to say exactly what that means.
Super Smash Bros. Fan - My opinion of him has been going Town->Scum throughout the game. Not my top suspect, but shouldn't have all the votes he does.
Ythan - This scum needs to die ASAP so we can get those votes back into town's hands. Hell, even if I'm wrong and he's town, let's get the votes to someone useful.

[Kmd4390]

Based on feel, here's everyone:

Ythan - town
Batt - town
xite - town
kmd - town

charlie - idk
locke - idk

Jahudo - town
esurio - town

plum - idk

Amished - town/idk

nacho - idk/scum

SSBF - scum

chrono - idk/scum
holy - idk/scum

ani - scum

If Rhinox is scum, so is Amished. I'd look for one orange next. Basically, his buddies will be spread pretty evenly on this list. I'm not very good at guessing how many scum there are, but yeah. That's how it'll work. Amished being the only "town/idk" isn't a point in his favor if Rhinox is scum.

[Kmd4390]

Mod, I apologize for the blue. Forgot to check the rule until after I posted. Feel free to change it to black if it's a problem

[Kmd4390]

Changing names of those who have been replaced:

Shattered Viewpoint

(12) - Ythan,

EGL

, esurio, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Amished, Charlie, kmd4390, holycon,

towmz

, animorpherv1, Batt,

millar13

Plum (3) - Jahudo, nachomamma8,

Michel

RichardGHP

(3) - Xite91, Plum, chronopie
Super Smash Bros. Fan (1) -

Shattered Viewpoint

Chronopie (1) - rhinox

Michel (1) - Diacria

Not Voting (2) - Locke,

RichardGHP

On the Shattered wagon: Ythan, Esurio, Smash Bras, Amished, Charlie, holy, animorph, Batt
On the Richard mini-wagon: Xite, Plum, Chro
Wasted vote or no vote: Rhinox, Locke

Jahudo and Nacho were on a wagon that was large at one point. Shattered flipped town, so it's not a counter wagon to a scumbuddy. They get town points. I have massive town reads on Charlie and holy, so they're fine. Ythan and Esurio are early enough on the wagon that it's fine.

ScumSet TM - {Smash Bras, Amished, Animorph, Batt} , {Xite,

Chro

}, {Rhinox, Locke}
---In theory, each ScumSet TM should include at least one scum.

Day 2:

EGL

(9) - nachomamma8, jahudo, Locke Lamora, Charlie, kmd4390,

RichardGHP

, rhinox, esurio

RichardGHP

(5) - animorpherv1,

Michel

, Amished, Xite91, Super Smash Bros. Fan
Charlie (2) -

Twomz

Super Smash Bros. Fan (1) - Chronopie
Chronopie (1) - holycon

Michel

(1) - Batt
Not Voting (4) -

EGL

, Plum,

millar13

, Ythan

EGL lynch: nachomamma8, jahudo, Locke Lamora, Charlie, rhinox, esurio
Wasted/No vote: Chro, Holy, Batt, Plum, Ythan

Nacho and Jahudo are early enough. We know my town reads.

ScumSet TM - {Locke, Rhinox, Esurio} , {Chro, Batt, Ythan}

Day 3:

RichardGHP

(12) – Ythan, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Jahudo, Chronopie, Nachomamma8, Battousai, holycon, rhinox
Super Smash Bros. Fan (8) – Amished, Xite91, Plum,

MichelSableheart

, kmd4390,

RichardGHP

, Locke Lamora
Battousai (1) – animorpherv1
Animorpherv1 (1) – esuriospiritus
Not Voting (1) - Charlie

Richard lynch: Ythan, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Jahudo, Chronopie, Nachomamma8, Battousai, holycon, rhinox
Wasted/No vote: Animorph, Esurio, Charlie

Anyone on the Day 1 Richard Mini-wagon AND this Richard lynch is removed from THIS ScumSet TM AND the previous Richard ScumSet TM for consistency points. Chro is the only one who fits. Not removing early votes because a Richard vote out of the gate could still be opportunistic (Yes, I'm going with a qualitative reason rather than quantitative. Deal with it.)

I'm starting to think Smash Bras is scum. because he was next to the Richard wagon. Hard to call anyone on that wagon scum until we see a flip. Massive town points to anyone on it if he flips scum, but it could be a ScumSet TM if he flips town. Need a Smash Bras flip before I can go back to it. Calling it null until then.

ScumSet TM - {Ythan, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Jahudo, Nachomamma8, Battousai, rhinox} , {Animorph}

ScumSet TMs for each Day:
Day 1: {

Smash Bras

,

Amished

,

Animorph

,

Batt

} , {

Xite

}, {

Rhinox

,

Locke

}
Day 2: {

Locke

,

Rhinox

,

Esurio

} , {

Chro

,

Batt

,

Ythan

}
Day 3: {

Ythan

,

Super Smash Bros. Fan,

Jahudo,

Nachomamma8

,

Battousai

,

rhinox

} , {

Animorph

}

Number of Days included in ScumSet TM's by player:

3:Rhinox, Batt

2:Ythan, Smash Bras, Locke, Animorph

1: Amished, Nacho, Chro, Jahudo, Xite, esurio

0: Plum, Charlie, holy

So with at least one scum in each set...
-

Xite

and

Animorph

must be scum.
-

Rhinox and Batt

are very likely scum.

^Those are the players most worth lynching today. If I'm wrong, the next ones to look at are the ones in orange:Ythan, Smash Bras, Locke.

Smash Bras being town would make Amished, Xite91, Locke Lamora another set for Day 3. This would upgrade Amished and Xite to Orange and Locke to red.

If Smash Bras is town, Xite, Animorph, Rhinox, Batt, and Locke are the most likely scum.
If Smash Bras is scum, Smash Bras, Xite, Animorph, Rhinox, and Batt are the most likely scum.

The biggest change is basically Locke. It's a connection between him and Smash Bras.

I'll vote in a separate post to avoid confusing the Mod.

[Kmd4390]

Unvote, Vote Xite x2

HoS Animorph, Rhinox, Batt, Smash Bras

FoS Ythan, Locke

[Kmd4390]

I'm town, Kmd just can't tell because he skims and sheeps.

Lies.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, Charlie is now confirmed town.

Scum are:
Animorph
Amished

Pittbunny

Batt
Ythan

Twomz
Richard

Let's lynch one of them. I don't care which one.

I refuse to believe I was completely wrong here. I'd love to lynch Batt/Animorph at some point. I'd really like to lynch Ythan at some point. I wouldn't mind lynching Amished at some point.

[Kmd4390]

Actually,

Unvote, Vote Batt

I know Xite is alone in a ScumSet TM, but I'm more confident voting the red names.

[Kmd4390]

Based on feel, here's everyone:

Ythan - town
Batt - town
xite - town
kmd - town

charlie - idk
locke - idk

Jahudo - town
esurio - town

plum - idk

Amished - town/idk

nacho - idk/scum

SSBF - scum

chrono - idk/scum
holy - idk/scum

ani - scum

If Rhinox is scum, so is Amished. I'd look for one orange next. Basically, his buddies will be spread pretty evenly on this list. I'm not very good at guessing how many scum there are, but yeah. That's how it'll work. Amished being the only "town/idk" isn't a point in his favor if Rhinox is scum.

Rhinox scum means:
Scum-Amished, Locke, nacho or chro, Smash Bras or Animorph, Ythan, Batt, or Xite.

Most likely Amished, Locke, Batt, and Smash Bras. Nacho if there is another.

[Kmd4390]

Jahudo is now confirmed town. Thanks batt.

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Xite, nah. Plum is town. Trust me on this one.

I'll say it again. You have a lot to learn. Sometimes, one tell is all it takes.

No, I don't push policy when I have scum. You are frustrating because your logic makes no sense and I can't tell if its because you're you or because you are pushing something you don't believe.

Chro was consistent in his opinion of richard, so hopping richard's lynching wagon isn't scummy. I didn't leave him out of other sets he belonged in.

Lol!!! Of course my reads are biased otherwise they wouldn't be "my reads". Just like you not likning it is biased because it points to you and probably your scumbuddies as scum. You should bus batt now. It'll give you town points.

[Kmd4390]

Xite, plum is town because of the wagon on raider.

I "won't share" the tell on holy because I don't remember it.

I'm not suspecting you based on personality. Its more based on your voting record. The "frustrating" thing is more how I was going back and forth in my head before the VCA TM.

Meh, difference of opinion. I see chro's consistency as a town tell.

Lol. Not responding to 5 because its the worst strawman I have seen in my entire mafia career.

[Kmd4390]

Amished, it can be summarized that way, but its more specific than that.

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Esurio, be careful not to fall into the trap of thinking that everyone who contributes regularly is town. This is rarely true and will continue to burn you until you learn otherwise. Yes, I removed my town reads because I have strong town reads for once. If everyone would like me to, I can put them back in for everyone else's sake, but I won't suspect them based on the results.

If rhinox is town, I don't see it changing my suspicions unless he gets lynched and leaves behind a nice wagon to analyze.

[Kmd4390]

Amished, I'm more confident of my read on batt than on rhinox.

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Batt, nope. Doesn't work once you are aware. Also, sarcasm when being attacked often comes from scum. Just sayin'.

[Kmd4390]

Ythan, wanna put those votes to use and help me lynch batt?

Smash bras, what is your opinion of batt?

[Kmd4390]

Rhinox, why is batt town?

[Kmd4390]

Meh. Smash bras isn't a terrible choice. Not the best though.

[Kmd4390]

I forgot that being replaced is a town tell.

[Kmd4390]

Plum - Raider's wagon earlier made him town or something. Can't remember specifics but I remember deciding that him and CSL were town.

Plum - I had the same feeling that Raider was town, but it was more that VI feeling. Plum, however, is a different character. Read her based on her play.

Xite, plum is town because of the wagon on raider.

1) Since when does a wagon on someone make them town? Especially when we've had no scum flips?

So the first time I said it, you agreed with my reasoning, but not my conclusuion. The second time, you attack my reasoning. Why?

To 2, I'll try, but I doubt I'll see the exact same thing.

Ok, I can't find it.

To 3, yeah, that's what was frustrating and making you hard to read.

To 4, like I said, difference of opinion. I don't see how that is cauitious.

Your strawman...
Let me break it down:
A) I gave my reads
B) I said they were biased because they were reads
C) You say I gave information, not reads (not true)
D) You say giving information the way I did (I didn't) is scummy.
E) You say only the mod can give information like that (I agree), so I'm scummy for trying to
F) You say I'm trying to get you lynched for your personality (no, I was frustrated trying to figure you out. I'd like you lynched because of the VCA TM)

I chose Smash Bras and Ythan (and Rhinox in the next post) because they have multiple votes and I want them to look closer at Batt. When you suspect a player, you try to get them lynched. When you are trying to get someone lynched, the best players to get help from are those with multiple votes.

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Jahudo, how was Animorph not a wagon? Look at the last vote count.

[Kmd4390]

Ack, I had my deadlines mixed up.

unvote;
Vote: Ani

No majority at deadline isn't a no lynch anyway. It's person with the most votes, unless it's a tie, in which case we no lynch.

[Kmd4390]

Early Day 1:

Shattered Viewpoint

(4) - nachomamma8, Ythan,

EGL

, Jahudo

RichardGHP

(3) - Amished, kmd4390, holycon
Plum (2) - Charlie, rhinox
Super Smash Bros. Fan (2) -

Diacria, Shattered Viewpoint

millar13 (2) - RichardGHP,

chronopie

Diacria

(2) - Super Smash Bros. Fan,

Twomz

Amished (1) - Plum
Ythan (1) -

millar13
twomz

(1) - Batt

Not Voting (5) -

Michel

, Esurio, Animorph, xite91, Locke

A Plum

Raider

wagon forms:
Plum (6) - Charlie, rhinox, Amished, Batt, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Jahudo

Shattered Viewpoint

(3) - nachomamma8, Ythan,

EGL

Super Smash Bros Fan (2) -

Shattered Viewpoint

, xite91
Amished (1) - Plum
Ythan (1) -

millar13

Chronopie (1) -

Diacria
millar13

(1) - chronopie

RichardGHP

(1) - holycon

Diacria (1) - Twomz

Not Voting (6) -

Michel

, Esurio, Animorph, xite91, Locke, kmd4390,

RichardGHP

Wagon adds some votes:
Plum (8) - Charlie, Rhinox, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Jahudo, nachomamma8,

RichardGHP, Michel

, Batt

Michel (4) - millar13, Twomz

, animorpherv1, Amished

Shattered Viewpoint

(2) - Ythan,

EGL

RichardGHP

(2) - holycon, Xite91
Super Smash Bros. Fan (1) -

Shattered Viewpoint

Chronopie (1) -

Diacria

Not Voting (5) - Esurio, Locke, kmd4390, chronopie, Plum

And the votes spread:
Plum (5) - Charlie, Jahudo, nachomamma8,

RichardGHP, Michel

Michel (5) - millar13, twomz

, animorpherv1, Amished,

Diacria
RichardGHP

(5)- holycon, xite91, Plum, kmd4390, Chronopie

Shattered Viewpoint

(4) - Ythan,

EGL,

, Esurio Super Smash Bros. Fan
Super Smash Bros Fan (1) -

Shattered Viewpoint

Chronopie (1) - rhinox
Xite91 (1) - Batt

Not Voting (1) - Locke

And a lynch:

Shattered Viewpoint

(12) - Ythan,

EGL

, esurio, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Amished, Charlie, kmd4390, holycon,

towmz

, animorpherv1, Batt,

millar13

Plum (3) - Jahudo, nachomamma8,

Michel

RichardGHP

(3) - Xite91, Plum, chronopie
Super Smash Bros. Fan (1) -

Shattered Viewpoint

Chronopie (1) - rhinox

Michel (1) - Diacria

Not Voting (2) - Locke,

RichardGHP

Placement of each player on each of the 5 vote counts:
01 Amished - Richard, Plum, Michel, Michel, Shattered.
02 rhinox - Plum, Plum, Plum, Chro, Chro
03 nachomamma8 - Shattered, Shattered, Shattered, Plum, Plum
04 Ythan - Shattered, Shattered, Shattered, Shattered, Shattered
05 Plum - Amished, Amished, No Vote, Richard, Richard
06 Super Smash Bros. Fan - Diacria, Plum, Plum, Richard, Richard
08 chronopie - millar, millar, no vote, richard, richard
09 Jahudo - Shattered, Plum, Plum, Plum, Plum
10 Battousai - Twomz, Plum, Plum, Xite, Shattered
16 Xite91 - No vote, No vote, Richard, Richard, Richard
17 esuriospiritus - No vote, No vote, No vote, Shattered, Shattered
18 Locke Lamora - No vote, No vote, No vote, No vote, No vote
19 kmd4390 - Richard, Richard, no vote, Richard, Shattered
20 animorpherv1 - No vote, No vote, Michel, Michel, Shattered
21 Charlie - Plum, Plum, Plum, Plum, Shattered
22 holycon - Richard, Richard, Richard, Richard, Shattered

Amished was on all four wagons. Looks like scum hopping to four townies. This implies Plumtown.

Plum's (Raider's) vote went one way, then nowhere, then another way. It was never parked on the player who ended up lynched either. Looks like an honest change of heart rather than opportunism. Chro kind of did the same thing, so I lean town on him a little more now.

Smash Bras went from a popular wagon (Plum/Raider) to another that ended up lynched. Implies wagony scum, also Plumtown.

I don't like Batt's jumping around. He was on Twomz, which was a popular wagon at one point. Then he joins the Plumwagon. Then he goes to Xite, and when that isn't popular, he ends up on the lynchee.

Not sure what to make of Animorph here. Looks bad at first, but then I look closer and can't tell.

I like Charlie/holy voting one person the entire time until we needed a lynch. Ythan being on Shattered the entire time is a point in his favor as well.

Now, using the above to say Plum is town:
First VC: Charlie, rhinox -
Second VC: Charlie, rhinox, Amished, Batt, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Jahudo
Third VC: Charlie, Rhinox, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Jahudo, nachomamma8, RichardGHP, Michel, Batt
Fourth VC: Charlie, Jahudo, nachomamma8, RichardGHP, Michel
Fifth VC: Jahudo, nachomamma8, Michel
Fifth VC, Shattered edition: Ythan, EGL, esurio, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Amished, Charlie, kmd4390, holycon, towmz, animorpherv1, Batt, millar13

On the first VC -These players consistently voted Plum for a while. They look good in this analysis.
On the second VC - Amished, Batt, Smash Bras, Jahudo ...

1-2 scum in this list guaranteed.

I don't think Jahudo is scum.
On the third VC - Batt dropped and revoted 8th. Amished dropped all together (+Townpoints). Nacho jumps on (+Scum points). Richard and Michel are dead town.\
On the fourth VC - Rhinox, Smash Bras, and Batt drop for Chro, Richard, and Xite, respectively. Smash Bras looks the worst here.
On the fifth VC - Nothing notable.
On the fifth VC, Shattered edition - There ARE scumz here.

Smash Bras, Amished and Batt are scum.

(Yes, I said town points for Amished until I remembered he dropped the Raider wagon for CSL.

[Kmd4390]

I'll answer posts later. Wasn't ignoring you guys. Just saw someone ask about plum and got carried away with analysis.

[Kmd4390]

Xite, I didn't know being a VI was a towntell, but ok.

I remember it being pretty strong. And my gut has said holy is town all game.

Nah. The original vote was out of frustration just like the ythan vote. I do suspect both of you, but there are better lynches like batt/smash bras/amished.

Wait, how is my read on chro vs yours WIFOM? And even if it is, so what? Scared of a little WIFOM?

I didn't give info based on reads. I gave reads based on info. The only info I posted was the vote counts and green coloring for dead townies. Everything else is my reads.

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Batt, no, not like this normally. Ythan has more votes than the rest of us, so ii is important that his votes are in the right place. Its not about his alignment at all.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, pretty sure xite isn't going to understand this no matter how many times I lay it out. I'm done.

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Amished, I did that already a few pages back.

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Batt, I removed town reads because I was creating a suspect list and town reads don't belong in a suspect list.

[Kmd4390]

You guys are hillarious. I wouldn't mind an amished wagon, but LOL. I can't believe that many people posted without looking at the context. This is so amusing.

[Kmd4390]

He clearly was referencing another game where he was scum. Just thought the whole thing was amusing.

[Kmd4390]

Esurio, you don't think plum looked town in that whole amished thing?

Nacho, how would you have used a one shot kill as scum when everyone knows you have it?

[Kmd4390]

Gah! You guys are missing the point entirely.

Ok. Plum and holy have something in common. They both DEFINITELY seemed to have honestly believed amished to have made the "slip". Ok, plum didn't vote and call OMGSCUM over it, but her reaction wasn't fake.

So... either amished/holy/plum are all scum and both knew that amished was scum OR holy and plum are town.

unvote, vote smash bras x2

[Kmd4390]

Plum, I'm trying to help these people see that you are town. Work with me a little!

[Kmd4390]

Remember how I'm voting him?

[Kmd4390]

Ythan, then who?

[Kmd4390]

Claim time.

[Kmd4390]

Unvote, Vote Animorph x2

Something doesn't feel right about the Smash Bras lynch.

[Kmd4390]

Unvote, Vote Smash Bras x2

Actually, I don't want to risk tying the votes and no lynching. I'll be around. If Animorph gets some votes or Smash Bras loses some, I'll switch.

[Kmd4390]

Deadline is an hour after I get out of work. I'll check the votes on my phone some time between the time I clock out and deadline.

Unvote, Vote Animorph x2

Smash Bras, your Will had

BETTER

be updated. This goes for Ythan and Rhinox too going into the night. I just updated mine after the VCA TM.

[Kmd4390]

Don't worry about tying votes. I'll come in and fix it if needed.

[Kmd4390]

Unofficially:
Super Smash Bros. Fan (9) - Amished, Ythan x4, Xite91, Locke Lamora, Rhinox x2
animorpherv1 (8) - Super Smash Bros Fan x3, Jahudo, Charlie, Kmd x2, holy

[Kmd4390]

If Animorph is still paying attention, he should claim.

Mod, can we get a prod on him if you are around before deadline?

[Kmd4390]

animorpherv1 is being replaced,

this will not extend deadline

Honestly, this hurts us quite a bit because if we assume Animorph to be inactive, we don't get his claim.

[Kmd4390]

Quick list:

The ones who I don't feel comfortable calling town

animorpherv1 - Not only the "wait, he's in this game?" player, but quick glances at vote counts don't look good. Wouldn't stand in the way of his lynch at all.

Day 3:

RichardGHP

(12) – Ythan, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Jahudo, Chronopie, Nachomamma8, Battousai, holycon, rhinox
Super Smash Bros. Fan (8) – Amished, Xite91, Plum,

MichelSableheart

, kmd4390,

RichardGHP

, Locke Lamora
Battousai (1) – animorpherv1
Animorpherv1 (1) – esuriospiritus
Not Voting (1) - Charlie

Richard lynch: Ythan, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Jahudo, Chronopie, Nachomamma8, Battousai, holycon, rhinox
Wasted/No vote:

Animorph

, Esurio, Charlie

So with at least one scum in each set...
-

Xite

and

Animorph

must be scum.
-

Rhinox and Batt

are very likely scum.

^Those are the players most worth lynching today. If I'm wrong, the next ones to look at are the ones in orange:Ythan, Smash Bras, Locke.

If Smash Bras is town, Xite,

Animorph

, Rhinox, Batt, and Locke are the most likely scum.
If Smash Bras is scum, Smash Bras, Xite,

Animorph

, Rhinox, and Batt are the most likely scum.

Ok, Charlie is now confirmed town.

Scum are:

Animorph

Amished

Pittbunny

Batt
Ythan

Twomz
Richard

Let's lynch one of them. I don't care which one.

I refuse to believe I was completely wrong here. I'd love to lynch Batt/

Animorph

at some point. I'd really like to lynch Ythan at some point. I wouldn't mind lynching Amished at some point.

Something doesn't feel right about the Smash Bras lynch.

[Kmd4390]

ISO 0:

Hey.

It looks (from the last vote count) that I have one vote. Seeing as I've never heard of the player, this may have been a good decision.

Is there anything I should be aware of/ Players I should ISO?

Comes in and

asks us

what he should read instead of just doing it on his own.

ISO 1-3: Fluff
ISO 4: Sending a will. Useful to do, but not exactly adding content to the game.
ISO 5,6: Answering questions about Carney's lack of a will.
ISO 7:

yeah, what they saud. Lots of uselsee WIFOM, even after death.

vote:CSL

Blind sheep. Throwing out the big scary "WIFOM" with no further explanation. Blatant wagon hop on a player who we now know was town.
ISO 8: Just posting to agree a "what he said" while quoting Amished.
ISO 9: Tells Xite that he is just repeating what others say.
ISO 10: Says he will vote Raider if there are enough other votes. No reason provided.
ISO 11: Votes Shattered to avoid No Lynch.
ISO 12: Comments on number of deaths. Defends Shattered vote.
ISO 13-18: All about first version of this game, number of deaths.
ISO 19: Yet another vote on a popular wagon.
ISO 20: Says "not posting enough" isn't anti-town.
ISO 21,22: Pointless one-liners that say nothing at all.
ISO 23: "Richard should be lynched"
ISO 24: Says millar should be vidged/lynched

----------------

I feel like one page of ISO is enough to show the way Animorph played. Looks like he tried to stay in the background. Jumped popular wagons. Never explained his suspicions AT ALL. And then there is the terrible vote on Batt for "claiming cult".

[Kmd4390]

ISO 0:

Hey.

It looks (from the last vote count) that I have one vote. Seeing as I've never heard of the player, this may have been a good decision.

Is there anything I should be aware of/ Players I should ISO?

Comes in and

asks us

what he should read instead of just doing it on his own.

ISO 1-3: Fluff
ISO 4: Sending a will. Useful to do, but not exactly adding content to the game.
ISO 5,6: Answering questions about Carney's lack of a will.
ISO 7:

yeah, what they saud. Lots of uselsee WIFOM, even after death.

vote:CSL

Blind sheep. Throwing out the big scary "WIFOM" with no further explanation. Blatant wagon hop on a player who we now know was town.
ISO 8: Just posting to agree a "what he said" while quoting Amished.
ISO 9: Tells Xite that he is just repeating what others say.
ISO 10: Says he will vote Raider if there are enough other votes. No reason provided.
ISO 11: Votes Shattered to avoid No Lynch.
ISO 12: Comments on number of deaths. Defends Shattered vote.
ISO 13-18: All about first version of this game, number of deaths.
ISO 19: Yet another vote on a popular wagon.
ISO 20: Says "not posting enough" isn't anti-town.
ISO 21,22: Pointless one-liners that say nothing at all.
ISO 23: "Richard should be lynched"
ISO 24: Says millar should be vidged/lynched

----------------

I feel like one page of ISO is enough to show the way Animorph played. Looks like he tried to stay in the background. Jumped popular wagons. Never explained his suspicions AT ALL. And then there is the terrible vote on Batt for "claiming cult".

Tags fixed.

Unvote, Vote Animorph x2

in case the CSL vote counted.

[Kmd4390]

Batt, on mine, Jahudo, Chro, and esurio should definitely be green.

And yeah, I wanted to lynch Smash Bras until I saw some of the names jump on that wagon that did. It made me feel uncomfortable. See the last quote in Post 2006.

[Kmd4390]

That makes 10 and 8.

Damn.

I'm here to confirm that I can still break any potential tie at deadline.

[Kmd4390]

Rhinox, obviously I'm not 100% right all the time. If I am wrong about at least one of you/ythan/smash bras (I probably am), I want to make sure that the wills are all in good shape so we don't end up with another situation where a ythan-type player has several votes.

And yeah, when some of my suspects start piling on to one wagon over the other, its bound to make me want to eat some kind of shellfish and vomit all over the wagon.

[Kmd4390]

vote batt x2

[Kmd4390]

Fishy isn't claiming unless he gets run up again.

---------------

Batt, I explained the vote yesterday.

As for the vote counts, it mostly backs what I already said yesterday. I'm not changing my read on Charlie though.

Kmd- Suspects are on the SSBF wagon. (didn't look this up, I think I recalled this correctly)

Huh? I thought I used VCA TM and an ISO read of Animorph to vote him. *Shrug*

-----------------

MORE BATT VOTES PLEASE

[Kmd4390]

End of Day Vote Count

Super Smash Bros. Fan (10) - Amished, Ythan, Xite91, Locke Lamora, Rhinox, Battosuai
animorpherv1 (9) - Super Smash Bros. Fan, Jahudo, Charlie, kmd4390, holycon, nachomamma8
Plum (1) - Chronopie
Battosuai (1) - animorpherv1
Charlie (1) - Plum

Not Voting (1) - esuriospiritus

Amished, Ythan, Locke, Rhinox, Batt. I ignore Xite because she flipped town. This list has MORE THAN ONE SCUM.

Smash Bras, Jahudo, Charlie, myself, holy, nacho. Other than Nacho, those players are deadtown, my town reads, and myself. Animorph (Fish) is scum and Nacho is town.

Chro, Animorph, Plum, Esurio. There is a scum here. Hint: It's Animorph (Fish)

[Kmd4390]

ScumSet TMs for each Day:
Day 1: {

Smash Bras

,

Amished

,

Animorph

,

Batt

} , {

Xite

}, {

Rhinox

,

Locke

}
Day 2: {

Locke

,

Rhinox

,

Esurio

} , {

Chro

,

Batt

,

Ythan

}
Day 3: {

Ythan

,

Super Smash Bros. Fan,

Jahudo,

Nachomamma8

,

Battousai

,

rhinox

} , {

Animorph

}

Number of Days included in ScumSet TM's by player:

3:Rhinox, Batt

2:Ythan, Smash Bras, Locke, Animorph

1: Amished, Nacho, Chro, Jahudo, Xite, esurio

0: Plum, Charlie, holy

ScumSet TMs for each Day:
Day 1: {

Amished

,

Animorph

,

Batt

} , {

Rhinox

,

Locke

}
Day 2: {

Locke

,

Rhinox

,} , {

Batt

,

Ythan

}
Day 3: {

Ythan

,

Battousai

,

rhinox

} , {

Animorph

}
Day 4: {

Amished

,

Ythan, Locke

,

rhinox

,

Batt

} , {

Animorph

}

Number of Days included in ScumSet TM's by player:

4:Rhinox, Batt

3:Ythan, Locke, Animorph

2:Amished

0: Plum, Charlie, holy, Nacho, Chro, Jahudo, Esurio

I'd bet money that Batt/Rhinox/Fish are all scum. After they all die, it's up in the air which of Ythan/Locke/Amished is/are scum.

[Kmd4390]

Don't let me forget that a Fishtownflip (which isn't going to happen) would put Nacho back into question.

[Kmd4390]

This will probably be the last game I play with ythan.

--------

So i m thinking about doing something extremely unconventional. I'll keep everyone guessing til I decide if I wanna do it.

[Kmd4390]

Amished, how does it reduce anything? If I do what I might do, as soon as I do it, you'll know I'm doing something that isn't normally done.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, I'm doing that thing tomorrow I think. Might still change my mind, but probably not. It goes completely against site meta and people will probably go "this is bad", but I want the info for myself and may as well share it.

[Kmd4390]

Locke, if that is your case on holy then lol.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, guys, what is one of the things we all learned as newbies?

Don't talk about the NKs. It's all big scary WIFOM

.

Well, let's play some WIFOM games. All of the players who were killed must have been killed for a reason. Whether conscious or unconcious, I believe that scum tend to kill players who are at least somewhat on the right track. "But no, Kmd. That's too easy". I don't think so. It's the first thing newbies assume and with good reason. The human mind is more ready to eliminate a threat than a non-threat if not just out of fear of blowing it for their team.

So, I introduce you to

Night Kill Analysis

aka NKA TM. Here's how this is going to work.

I'm going to take each player who the scumz were too scared of to keep alive and ISO them to find every time they give a read or something implying a read on a player. I'm even going to separate these reads by the day they were stated. If something changed in the day that a player was killed, and it matches someone else's reads, we may be onto something. Oh, and for sake of completeness and so no one bitches, I am including everyone, even myself.

Exhibit A:

Diacria

Day 1:

ISO 1:

Dana

Ythan is scum. VOTES

dana

Ythan.
If

millar

is scum,

CMAR

Rhinox is scum and

Doc

Amished is town.
ISO 2:

Dana

Ytahn is scum
ISO 3:

Millar is town.

ISO 7: VOTES

Raider

Plum.
ISO 8: FOS'S Charlie
ISO 9:

EGL

, Kmd,

Millar

all town.
ISO 10: Implies

Smash Bras

and

Raider

Plum are scum.

Shattered

and

Pittbunny

Batt are town.
ISO 16: VOTES

Twomz

ISO 17: Implies Kmd town,

Twomz

is scum.
ISO 18:

Shattered

is town.
ISO 19: Town:

Supersmash, Shattered

,

Bunny

Batt,

EGL, Millar

, KMD,

Richard

ISO 25:

Twomz

is town. Whole wagon (

Pittbunny

, kmd4390,

Diacria, Shattered Viewpoint

) is town, so

Twomz

MAY be scum.
ISO 26: VOTES Amished
ISO 28: Amished scum.
ISO 29:

King of Eggs

Esurio is town.
ISO 30:Town:

Shattered

,

bunny

Batt,

Twomz, EGL, millar, Richard, Xite

,

Eggs

Esurio, KMD,

Dia

ISO 36: VOTES Holy
ISO 42: Amished scum.
ISO 43: Implies Amished scum.
ISO 44: Implies Chro scum.
ISO 45: VOTES Smash Bras
ISO 46: Smash Bras scum
ISO 47: Must be scum in

Cry

Rhinox, Nacho,

Shattered

, Chrono,

Chevre

Jahudo,

CSL

Michel

,

Reverse

Locke,

Carney

Fishy, holycon
ISO 50: Implies

Smash Bras

scum.
ISO 53:

Smash Bras

scum.
ISO 54:

Smash Bras

scum.
ISO 56:

Smash Bras

scum.
ISO 57:

Smash Bras

town. Holy/Rhinox town. Amished scum.
ISO 63:

CSL

Michel

town.
ISO 64:

Raider

Plum

town
Scum in Charlie, Rhinox,

Super Smash Bros. Fan

,

Chevre

Jahudo, nachomamma8,

RichardGHP,

CSL

Michel

ISO 65:

Raider

Plum is town.
ISO 71: VOTES

CSL

Michel[/color]
ISO 72:

CSL

Michel[/color] is scum.
ISO 73: Implies

Dana

Ythan scum.

Diacria's reads on each living player:
Amished - Town if

millar

is scum (1) then Scum (26, 42, 43, 57)
Rhinox - Scum if

millar

is Scum (1), Scum (47), Town (57), Scum (64)
Nacho - Scum (47, 64)
Ythan - Scum (1, 73)
Plum - Scum (7, 10), Town (64, 65)
Chro - Scum (44, 47)
Jahudo - Scum (47, 64)
Batt - Town (10, 19, 30)
esurio - Town (29, 30)
Locke - Scum (47)
Kmd - Town (9, 17, 19, 25, 30)
Fish - Scum (47)
Charlie - Scum (8, 64)
holy - Scum (36, 47) Town (57)

Rankings for Diacria's top scum reads

:
Amished=4
Ythan=2
Chro=2
Jahudo=2
Nacho=2
Charlie=2
Fish=1
Rhinox=1
holy=1
Plum=0
Locke=-1
Esurio=-2
Batt=-3
Kmd=-5

-----------------

This is getting long, so I'm gonna do Twomz in another post.

[Kmd4390]

Did you ever discover the mysterious thing Holy did that made you think she was town?

Nope. Her posts mostly look town though.

KMD - still planning on doing whatever unconventional thing you said you were gonna do?

Working on it. Everything looks like mush already and I'm nowhere near done. Might not finish today.

[Kmd4390]

Twomz

Day 1

ISO 0: VOTES Nacho
ISO 4: VOTES Kmd
ISO 5: UNVOTES Kmd, implies town
ISO 10: Implies Kmd town
ISO 11: Implies Kmd town
ISO 14: Implies Kmd town
ISO 16: VOTES Richard. Implies Amished Town
ISO 18: VOTES

Diacria

ISO 23: Implies

millar

town
ISO 25: VOTES

CSL

Michel[/color]
ISO 27: Implies

Raider

Plum scum.
ISO 28:

CSL

Michel[/color] scum
ISO 32: VOTES

Shattered

Day 2:

ISO 36: Implies Amished/

Twomz

/

Ani

Fish/

Pittbunny

Batt town.
ISO 37: Implies Amished/

Twomz

/

Ani

Fish/

Pittbunny

Batt town, Kmd town.
ISO 40: VOTES

CSL

Michel[/color], Charlie scum.
ISO 41: Xite is scum if

millar

is scum.
ISO 42: Charlie scum, VOTES Charlie,

CSL

Michel[/color] scum.
ISO 43: Town: Rhinox, Nacho, Ythan, Plum,

Smash Bras

, Jahudo, Kmd, Esurio, holy
Scum: Amished, Chro,

CSL, EGL, Richard, Xite

, Charlie
ISO 44: Charlie scum
ISO 46: Charlie scum
ISO 50: Charlie scum
ISO 53:

Richard, CSL

, Charlie scum.
ISO 54:

Richard

scum.
ISO 57: VOTES

Richard

, Charlie scum
ISO 58:

Smash Bras

scum. VOTES Charlie. Implies

Richard

town.
ISO 60: Implies Batt scum.
ISO 61: Charlie scum.
ISO 62: Charlie scum
ISO 63: Charlie scum.
ISO 66: Charlie,

CSL, Richard

scum.
ISO 69: Implies

EGL

scum. Charlie scum.
ISO 70: Charlie scum.

Twomz's reads:

Amished: Town (16, 36, 37) , Scum (43)
Rhinox: Town (43)
Nacho:

Scum (0)

, Town (43)...nullifying scum (0) as RVS
Ythan: Town (43)
Plum: Scum (27), Town (43)
Chro: N/A
Jahudo: Town (43)
Batt: Town (36, 37), Scum (60)
Esurio: Town (43)
Locke: N/A
Kmd: Scum (4), Town (5, 10, 11, 14, 37, 43)
Fish : Town (36, 37)
Charlie: Scum (40, 42, 43, 44, 46, 50, 53, 57, 58, 61, 62, 63, 66, 69, 70)
Holy: Town (43)

Rankings:
14:Charlie 30
13:Locke N/A
Chro N/A
11:Plum -1
10:Batt -2
Rhinox -2
Ythan -2
Jahudo -2
Nacho -2
Holy -2
Esurio -2
3:Amished -3
2:Fish -4
1:Kmd -7

Diacria's Rankings:
14:Amished=4
13:Ythan=2
Chro=2
Jahudo=2
Nacho=2
Charlie=2
8:Fish=1
Rhinox=1
holy=1
5:Plum=0
4:Locke=-1
3:Esurio=-2
2:Batt=-3
1:Kmd=-5

Diacria+Twomz combined Rankings:
Charlie 27
Chro 26
Ythan 23
Nacho 23
Jahudo 23
Rhinox 18
holy 18
Amished 17
Locke 17
Plum 16
Esurio 13
Batt 12
Fish 10
Kmd 2

-------------------

Michel and Xite coming some time. I decided not to include CSL with Michel. The scum killed Michel, not CSL.

[Kmd4390]

Rhinox, I was thinking that. I'll probably put all of it together and then have values both including and excluding twomz.

[Kmd4390]

Batt, they aren't town reads BECAUSE they voted ani (Except nacho). They were town reads already SO I think ani must have been scum.

[Kmd4390]

Jahudo what happened to te anifish hate? =(

[Kmd4390]

Ok, like I said, not doing CSL. Scum wouldn't kill Michel for CSL's reads. Too bad Michel wasn't here very long. Then again, that might not be such a bad thing for the kind of analysis.

Michel

Day 3

ISO 0: Top suspects: Batt,

Richard, Smash Bras

, Charlie.
ISO 1: Implies YthanTown. FOS'S

Richard

ISO 2: Implies Ythan town.
ISO 4: Esurio scum. Kmd scum. Charlie scum.

Smash Bras

scum. VOTES

Smash Bras

ISO 5:

Smash Bras

scum. Implies Batt/Esurio scum together.

Richard

town.
ISO 6: Charlie scum.

Smash Bras

scum.
ISO 9: Restates Esurio scum. Kmd scum. Charlie scum.

Smash Bras

scum.
ISO 10: Chro town. Kmd scum.
ISO 12: Implies Nacho scum.

Michel's Reads:

Amished: N/A
Rhinox: N/A
Nacho: Scum (12)
Ythan: Town (1,2)
Plum: N/A
Chro: Town (10)
Jahudo: N/A
Batt: Scum (0,5)
Esurio: Scum (4,5,9)
Locke: N/A
Kmd: Scum (4,9,10)
Fish: N/A
Charlie: Scum (0,4,6,9)
holy: N/A

Rankings:
14Charlie 4
13Esurio 3
12Kmd 3
11Batt 2
10Nacho 1
9Fish N/A
Rhinox N/A
Amished N/A
Locke N/A
Jahudo N/A
Plum N/A
holy N/A
2Chro -1
1Ythan -2

Diacria+Twomz combined Rankings:
Charlie 27
Chro 26
Ythan 23
Nacho 23
Jahudo 23
Rhinox 18
holy 18
Amished 17
Locke 17
Plum 16
Esurio 13
Batt 12
Fish 10
Kmd 2

Dicaria+Twomz+Michel Combined Rankings:
Charlie 41
Rhinox 37
Nacho 33
Jahudo 32
Chro 28
holy 27
Amished 26
Locke 26
Esurio 26
Plum 25
Ythan 24
Kmd 24
Batt 23
Fish 19

[Kmd4390]

"I always lynch scum -- it's just that sometimes they aren't mafia".

I think it's in Spy's sig.

Also, I'm all for the FishLynch. I don't like a PlumLynch.

[Kmd4390]

I was starting to do Xite, but it's gonna have to wait. Just remembered a group project is due today and none of my group did anything. I have two hours.

[Kmd4390]

KMD: so Fishy is bottom of your NKA scumranks and you think he's a good lynch? Does this mean you're not putting much stock in that analysis?

Being at the bottom doesn't mean town. Let's say there's 5 scum. If the top 4 on the list are scum, and one at the bottom is scum, scum would STILL want to kill the players who were on to them. Even though they may have let 1 or 2 slip, the point is that the TOP are MORE LIKELY scum, NOT that the bottom are less likely scum.

Basically, the top of the list is scum points and the bottom is null.

[Kmd4390]

Charlie, I'm going to finish before I come to any conclusions, but it's gonna be hard to soften my town-read-boner that I have for you.

[Kmd4390]

Damn, Xite had a lot of posts. I can't do that in less than an hour...

I'll be getting around to it some time though.

[Kmd4390]

kmd is scum

Interested if you have a case. You've thrown my name out a couple of times, but without much reason if any at all.

[Kmd4390]

If it came down to Plum vs Chro, I'd vote Chro. I don't want to lynch either of the two though.

Jahudo, can't we lynch someone else?

[Kmd4390]

Guys, Fish is definitely today's lynch.

And I think I'm gonna try and get the Xite part of my analysis along with a conclusion done later today.

[Kmd4390]

Batt, I don't understand what you are saying there. You disagree with my reads? If it's not that, then I just don't get your point.

[Kmd4390]

Batt,

End of Day Vote Count

Super Smash Bros. Fan

(10) - Amished, Ythan,

Xite91

, Locke Lamora, Rhinox, Battosuai
animorpherv1 (9) -

Super Smash Bros. Fan

, Jahudo, Charlie, kmd4390, holycon, nachomamma8
Plum (1) - Chronopie
Battosuai (1) - animorpherv1
Charlie (1) - Plum

Not Voting (1) - esuriospiritus

This is the lynch you are talking about.

I know my reads aren't 100% accurate. I highly doubt that Amished/Ythan/Locke/Rhinox/Batt are all scum. I find it extremely likely that two of those names are.

You mention a scum possibly bussing/distancing on the Animorph wagon or avoiding the Smash Bras lynch. Maybe. Who knows. If this is the case, I'd look at Nacho, Chro, or Esurio. You mention Plum. I don't see her as scum at all.

[Kmd4390]

I also don't see why you are going for a fishy lynch when everyone on the wagon yesterday has been cleared as town to you, therefore a flip for information is not important. That means that you think he is scum from his actions, however I don't see how you find him more likely scum than me or Rhinox (who are red compared to fishy's orange).

Oh and this.

Fish just needs to die ASAP. He is

scum

while you and Rhinox are

scum reads

.

[Kmd4390]

Lol Batt.

[Kmd4390]

I call that you realized the line after "If you don't find your reads 100% accurate then why in the hell didn't you include them in your analysis?" sounded scummy and forced given your overall tone so you dropped it. You should've just cut your losses and left it in when you finished editing in the last bit, I think.

^

This is a good point. Batt, why was that sentence removed?

[Kmd4390]

Unvote, Vote Fish x2

Just realized I haven't done that yet.

[Kmd4390]

So it was typed in the first place with expectations of a response? What would I say to that? "Oh no, that's not my scum team. Fish is my scumbuddy, not Plum"?

[Kmd4390]

Lol bullshit

[Kmd4390]

Basically, if you cut it because I "wouldn't respond", that means it was originally typed as something directed to me and not at me. I don't buy that at all.

[Kmd4390]

Is it wrong to be amused right now?

---------

Plum, I think lynching fish is pretty necesary right now as much as id love to lynch batt.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, so I'm gonna try and find time tomorrow to finish the Xite part of NK analysis and see if I can draw any conclusions from it.

I have to say though, fish's idea of staying in the background is the exact opposite of mine.

[Kmd4390]

rhinox (2){MS ---> rhinox}
Ythan (4){Diacra ---> Twomz --> Ythan
Richard ---> Ythan}
Chrono (2){Xite ---> Chrono}
Jahudo (4){EGL ---> SSBF ---> Jahudo
millar ---> SSBF ---> Jahudo}
kmd (2){SV --> kmd}

What's this?

[Kmd4390]

Oh. The votes.

K.

[Kmd4390]

Not sure why this keeps getting interupted. I'm up to Xite's ISO 55. Gotta go though. Probably won't have this up over the weekend considering I work til 11pm tonight and am back to work at 7am tomorrow morning and 7am Sunday. Maybe Monday between classes if no one bugs me?

[Kmd4390]

Tt I have one min so gotta be fast but skimmed your post and I meant people bugging me IRL, not in the game.ba

[Kmd4390]

Jahudo, not done with the analysis yet so no conclusions. Fish is scum regardless. Rhinox is scummy and I don't understand why he, or anyone, could be considered "off limits" for a lynch. My read on charlie is town. That's all I have for now. Until the analysis is over, I'm not making conclusions. I found xite being nkd most interesting so that is crucial to the analysis. Also if I'm not mistaken, twomz gave charlie a lot of scumpoints and his nk was because of his role.

I'll get to everything else at another time. I saw batt and esurio said something. I'll get around to seeing what.

[Kmd4390]

Batt, I removed them because I was showing my reads at that time. I didn't think those players were scum, so I worked off of who I thought was scum. Why call a town read scum? I didn't see any point. Doesn't mean I'm right. I could be wrong. But a read is just that. A read.

Kmd's recent NK WIFOM analysis, which hasn't been completed yet, which will give him an excuse to IIoA up until the very end of the day
Kmd's over blowing of my computer entering mistake
The fact that Kmd is running out of suspects with his wagon analysis, which leaves him saying that every one of the scum voted for SSBF
Kmd is almost completely relying on mislynch analysis (I don't recall him ever looking into the reasons of the people voting recently and rely solely on who voted for the most mislynches)
Kmd is targeting people with only 1 vote (myself, ani/fish) over people he has listed as equally scummy who have more votes (rhinox 2 for example) when the scum have yet to be lynched and we should be close to lylo.

All of this means that Kmd is scum. I'm 100% positive. I would be willing to switch to a Plum vote as well, later, if I can't get more people to hop on the Kmd wagon.

How can you call IIoA? Just because I'm working on the analysis doesn't mean I'm ignoring everything else. And the analysis will come, but it's a lot more work than I thought it would be. I've put several hours into it and still have a little ways to go.

I'm working on changing my suspect list up because:
A) I've been wrong so far, so something needs to change
B) I'm still alive, so I'm on the wrong track, which is what made me think to look at people who are dead.

I use VCA TM in almost every game I play. Not a scumtell. Get over it.

Rhinox is someone who I'm not as sure of being scum as Fish. Not the best lynch. I don't care how many votes he has.

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Holy, the numbers in an individual analysis are basically scored from the number of times a player was called town/scum with later days being worth more points in either direction. The combined rankings use 14 (number of players alive) for the dead players' scummiest players through 1 for the towniest. Then I add those numbers for a final result, probably subtracting Twomz back out. My theory is that most of the scum will be near the top of this list. Now, as I said earlier, this says nothing for the players at the bottom of the list. It definitely isn't town points. It just isn't as many scum points.

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Are you saying that you think ani's play is typical of scum trying not to attract attention?

Yes.

Kmd has listed Plum as 100% town

No. 100% is only possible about yourself/scumbuddies/masons. Plum doesn't fall into any of these categories for me. Not 100%. Not even close.

Hi, Charlie WHY should fish be lynched? All I've seen from you in Day 5 is "lynch fish kthx."

Starting to think maybe this needs to be answered...

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Jahudo, I don't care if "connections" are drawn because I'm not scum. You could probably connect me to Charlie and Holy for my town reads on them. Or Rhinox because I called him scum but haven't pushed his lynch yet. It really doesn't matter to me.

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Unvote, Vote Chro

because it's a better lynch than Plum and sheeping Charlie isn't working right now.

[Kmd4390]

Chro is L-2 and Plum is L-4. Just so everyone knows.

[Kmd4390]

K.

[Kmd4390]

It's all good.

[Kmd4390]

Claim time.

[Kmd4390]

I use VCA TM in almost every game I play. Not a scumtell. Get over it.

If you are going to use that as a defense, I would need multiple game links where you've used it as town.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 46&start=0
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 19&start=0
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6&start=50
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6&start=75

That's all I could find, but I know there were a lot more. Probably in the archives. Want me to try finding them?

Also see this thread in MD and ISO me:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15242

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EBWODP: And if you plan lynching me anyway, give me time to get my will in order.

unvote, vote: Chronopie

Doc claims are a massive scumtell.

This is absolutely terrible.

Fish, why are doc claims scum tells as opposed to...uh, I dunno, DOC tells?

I know Chro flipped scum, but seeing the name "Columbian", it is possible that we are dealing with multiple scum groups (maybe they kill every other night or one doesn't kill. *Shrug*). What does this mean? Fish can be:
A) Scum, but not with Chro. In this case, he probably wanted to rush the lynch.
B) Scum who decided last second to bus Chro by dropping a possibily imminent hammer.
C) Town who believes all doc claims come from scum

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Jahudo, I was sheeping Charlie on Fish. I still think Fish is scum.

As far as my reads, I don't trust them.

A quick view of the final vote count combined with the unlikliness that every single scum bussed Chro, I'll say there is a scum or two or three in {Ythan, esurispiritus, kunkstar7, Battosuai, Charlie, Plum}. Most likely in {Ythan, esurispiritus, kunkstar7, Battosuai} which is the Plum wagon. Oh, hey, Batt's name again!