Open 231: My Name is Earl (Game Over)
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No.mod wrote:XScorpion (2) - Xite91, Adrien C
Coaching as in one person telling another person how to play. Usually associated with scum telling scum how to play but it happens with town too.d3x wrote:XS21- Plz define 'Coaching' for me. I understand the concept, but I want to hear how you define it before following up with more questions for you.-
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I guess WIFOM isn't the best word to describe what you're doing, I think misrepresentation or strawman is a better term.budja wrote:Post #20 kinda implied it. But as I said before, point 2 is the important one anyway. Point 1 was mostly tacked on. (...and I don't think you know what WIFOM means.)
Your point 2 is dependent on point 1,
and you admit point 1 is weak, so your whole argument is weak.budja wrote:Also, contradicts above.
This is total bs. Unexplained votes put no pressure on anyone at all, because those votes are scummy and anti-town. I would absolutely love scum to vote for me without explaining why, it'll help town figure out obv. scum.budja wrote:Unexplained votes have more pressure at this early stage where cases are quite scanty.-
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Yes, voting without a reason is scummy, which is exactly why I suspect d3x. Did you miss the part where he joined budja in voting beef without giving any reasons? Obvious scummy bandwagoning is obvious.And why exactly do you suspect d3x? You've said that voting without a reason is scummy - and yet, your vote on d3x took place in the RVS stage. You've yet to provide a solid reason for why you want to lynch him.
If you suspect both, you could easily have switched your votes earlier, when you insinuated that you suspected budja for voting . But you didn't. You waited until someone else had voted before changing.
Yes, I could have changed my vote, but since I find them equally scummy, there was no reason. I swapped votes because I don't care which one dies today, as long as it's one of them, and Budja became the more likely candidate.
Voting without reasoning is anti-town, as is ignoring discussion. I would not rank them as high as say, quickhammers or rolefishing in terms of scummy behaviour.Are you refering to Voting w/o reasons listed? I don't want to put words in your mouth, I'd just like a little clarification before following up with possible questions.
FoS Xite for suggesting claims on earl.
FoS nocase for not having a case (ironic) on adrien c when we are clearly out of RVS, and dodging Xite's request for an explanation.
Is that a FoS? Any particular reason or are you just throwing my name out there for the lulz?yo, xscorpion, i got my eye on you.
On second thought...
Yeah no.Xite wrote:I know something that would make them claiming help me to catch scum.
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Xite is hiding information, breadcrumbing power role and rolefishing for Earl. @all: Which do you think more likely: scum or PR? I think the former.-
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You must have a different definition of rolefishing than I do. Last time I checked, trying to find out what roles people are is rolefishing, no matter how many people you are asking.
So you admit to hiding information from town. Thanks for the clarification.
If you actually are town, or god forbid a real PR, you just completely screwed yourself by hinting to scum who you are.-
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If you are a PR, that is insanely anti-town.
If you are town, and scum kills you, then we won't know whatever information (assuming it is useful) you know since you won't have a chance to tell us, and then you'll have been useless.
Or you are just scum and trying to distract us from your partners. I like this option.-
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It seems that town agrees that hiding information is pro-town or something? Clearly you might as well lynch me because I don't plan on hiding or voting without giving reasons right away.
I'd love for you to explain to me how it's pro-town to throw out votes with no justification, because I never learned to play that way. Only scum have any reason to vote and explain themselves later, in order to cover themselves. Town shouldn't have anything to hide.
I suggest you give your view on xite.I suggest you stop this discussion now.-
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I struggle to see how the reaction to a vote would be anything other than requesting an explanation. If an explanation wasn't given, then I would immediately cry "anti-town."
So you confirm that hiding information is pro-town. Huh.and sometimes revealing your line of thought is just not the optimal move at a given point in time.
There's a reason that voting without immediate justification is frowned on.-
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I'm going to repeat my question before: do you actually think xite is a PR?eg. I am cop. I don't tell you -> pro-town
If you see something scummy, you should point it out so that the town knows. That's how I've played this game since I started almost a year ago. If you want to hide your suspicions and vote without telling people why, what's the point of this discussion anyway? And how are we supposed to figure out who is scum? I'm still not seeing how hiding information makes any sense at all, unless you are a PR, and I highly doubt Xite is.-
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Blah blah blah more PR discussion. Yes, it makes sense for cops/docs to hide themselves. Now explain why it makes any sense for Xite to withhold information from town, without suggesting that he is a PR. What benefit could town possibly have from less information? I do not share the belief that a regular townie should know anything other than what the rest of town knows. Good townies should be as open as possible. Secrecy is scummy.Think about Cop having innocent result on someone.-
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Semantics.You are aware that these are 2 completely different things, right? Yeah, you are.
are you using 'rolefishing' as an adjective or a verb here?Explain to me how RoleFishing Xite is ProTown
If it's an adjective, then no.
If it's a verb, then I'm not rolefishing, I'm trying to stop people from hiding information, which is anti-town/scummy.
Now you're putting words in my mouth. How many times do I need to say I think Xite ISN'T a PR, and is actually scum?considering you just finished saying that it's a main reason you're Voting him/her. You're even suggesting that Xite may in fact be a PR.
Beefster got lynched on day 1 in an ongoing game as town for the same reasons you guys are attacking him now. I'd rather wait to get a better read on him than lynch him so soon again.Hey XS- What do you think of Beefster? Thus far you've only mentioned him to bring a case against Budja and myself.
I'm leaning less towards you as scum. I would like to ask why you suddenly decided to start explaining your votes though. Is there a reason why I'm worthy of making a case but Beefster wasn't?And if we're Scum together for it, how do you account for Col's "terrible" Vote in p83 and nocase's FoS in p98?-
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More semantics. Does it really mean that much to you whether or not what he is doing is scummy or anti-town? How about this: Xite's play is BAD. Is that an acceptable term for you? Now, would you care to actually comment on his play or are you just going to tunnel me?I'm pointing out that you are blurring your own lines of distinction to suit your 'case'.
Explain to me how telling Xite that he is horrible if he is a PR is rolefishing.blah blah youre rolefishing
Guess what, it's possible that anyone is a PR. That's how this game is set up. A first? I already said that I thought when I asked everyone to answer my question of whether you thought Xite was more likely to be a PR or scum. You have yet to answer this, btw.How many times must you say it? Well a first would be nice. Aside from that, if you're not suggesting that {s}he is a PR, then you sure are allowing for the possibility.
Because it's not my responsibility to defend other people.And you didn't think it worthwhile to bring this up until now because...?-
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Are you even reading my arguments anymore? I might as well just quote myself rather than actually argue anything with you.you wrote: You are RoleFishing Xite because you are allowing for the possibility that {s}he is a Town PR. You are pushing for information that is 'hidden' and you and Budja already had it out over PRs hiding information from the Town. You are trying to force a Claim and that's RoleFishing. Btw, you didn't start by calling the play horrible, you started by trying to out Xite...me wrote:Guess what, it's possible that anyone is a PR. That's how this game is set up. A first? I already said that I thought when I asked everyone to answer my question of whether you thought Xite was more likely to be a PR or scum. You have yet to answer this, btw.you wrote:There's a huge difference and yes, it matters. If it didn't, then why would you directly say a behavior is not one, it is the other. And then when you're called on it, you say it's the same thing and cry 'semantics debate'.me wrote:The line between scummy and anti-town is heavily influenced by perception. It's as blurry as my vision after 10 bottles of vodka. If you think you can clearly separate all scummy things from all anti-town things you are either the God of Mafiascum, or simply fooling yourself.
I'm trying to help town avoid a mislynch by telling you to vote Xite. Clearly no one agrees with the things I'm saying though, so why should I bother caring about whether Beefster lives or dies?If you have a meta read on a player that is well on the path to a MisLynch {and you're fighting to get a counterWagon going}, why would you not say anything? I'm not asking you to defend someone else, but helping the Town to avoid a MisLynch is something you're supposed to do... if you're Town.-
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I think AdrienC is getting other people to scumhunt for him.xscorpion, what do you think of what i just quoted?
I'm sorry to inform you that I haven't got a chance to investigate Beefster so I don't know if he's scum or not, because you seem to be under the impression that I'm a cop who got to investigate beefster before the day began.XScorpion's most recent post was...well, let's just say, when he said "why should I bother caring about whether Beefster lives or dies", my scum sense was tingling. Town aligned players should care about other town aligned players dying.-
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Are you paying attention? Hiding something isn't scummy anymore, town decided that it's totally ok for people to not tell everything they know because it's the new pro-town thing. Why else would people be voting for me and not Xite?I'm sticking to my Budja vote. I've realized that he's been pretty dodgy around answering questions. He's hiding something.-
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Because Xite is scum.You said to save us from a mislynch, vote Xite.
Putting words in my mouth in here too huh? I never said Beefster was definitely town, nor that he couldn't be scum with Xite.Therefore you imply that the Beefster vote is a mislynch.
Correct, I don't believe him to be a townie. I don't have a read on him at all.Therefore I am not under the impression that you believe him to be a townie, since a mislynch is the lynching of a townie.
You proved Beefster was town? How?Therefore when you say "I don't care if he lives or dies" it suggests that you don't care if a townie lives or dies.
I am not, so your logic sucks.Therefore you are scum.-
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You seem to forget the part where I said I don't care about beefster, because I don't know what alignment he is, haven't paid attention to him at all in this game, and because I still want Xite to die.
Alright, I'll make you a deal. We can lynch Beefster today, and Xite tomorrow. Is that what you would prefer?-
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Under what conditions would you vote for Xite?
I haven't paid attention to him because it's not my job to do all of town's scumhunting by myself, which is what you people seem to be expecting of me.
Suspect how? Didn't you just say that you thought we were scumbuddies? If voting for him means that I can get Xite killed then that's fine, Beefster has the same probability as everyone else of being scum.-
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