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ender241 wrote:I'm going to VOTE: FinalFires this is because the "powerful townie" hint suggests to me that he's making people not want to vote him just incase he's a power role something mafia would do at the moment. The noob trick isn't a good sign either, everyone is told that if they've never done a mafia game to do a noob game and he plays like he knows what to do.
FoS: ender241ender241 wrote:UNVOTE: Finalfires It's way to early to lynch so i'm going to unvote just incase he is a newbie.-
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@DLG - I didn't even notice Darla had questioned me.
I voted Final Fires for this and the other scummy content within that post:
"Don't lynch me! You'll be sorry!" Newb? Ok I can buy that. But someone to keep an eye on for sure.Final Fires #32 wrote:Let me just say though, if you vote me off, you won't only be voting off a townie, but a powerful townie at that. If you have to lynch me tonight then fine, but afterwards maybe you'll take my accusations seriously.
Now I'm much more interested in lynching ender or Darla. I could go for either.
I FoSed Ender in #52 for his scummy unvote of Final Fires because it was "too early" for a lynch. He was scared (apparently?) that a lynch would soon ensue when FF only had 4 votes on him? scummmmy Why be afraid of that lynch anyway? FF seemed like a good enough candidate to vote but not to lynch?
Darla is all over the place. She goes from leaning scum on Ender to this junk within two posts:
Someone with a meta on Darla - is this scum or town Darla?Darla #77 wrote:I have a very good reason to not vote ender based on his play thanks to a newbie game we were/are in together. It's his meta. He seems scum when he's not. He's just really nooby, and while I am ~recognizing~ his scum-haviour, I am also noting that for once I have reliable meta on a player and can say that I do not intend to make the mistake of assuming his noobness to be scumness without more solid proof.-
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Bob? or Bub?... Cause I never said any of those things.Nikanor wrote:
That is just silly. Why are you being so silly.Bob wrote:One of these Nikanor, one of these days, you are going to actually post some real content, and when that day comes I'm going to jump for joy, but in the meantime...
That's an interesting thing to say, considering you just FoS'd me here:Bob wrote:Nikanor is a VI plain and simple. A scum could not possibly be stupid enough to do what he did.
1) I'm voting Striker because he is such a terrible person!Bob wrote:FoS: Nikanor
Please explain all of the following:
1) Why you are voting for rekirtS
2) What you think of the two biggest wagons (DLE and ender)
3) What you think of Final Fires' early game play
2) If by DLE you mean DBE, I think she is a swell person. I find it difficult for me to find guilt in such a wonderful avatar.
3) I saw a newb make a newbish post. He seems like a newbie to me.
DBE, were you really just voting me because I mentioned three different people then voted a fourth?
I'm choosing to be parsimonious since the reasons you are scummy have been listed earlier. I'm not big on regurgitation - sends the thread in circles.DarlaBlueEyes wrote:@ Bob care to explain that at all? Or are you just bandwagoning without explanation?
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but I'm not scum?
so you're wasting your time pointing out a pathetic townie?bub wrote:I agree that bob looks really scummy if you assume that you are town. Since I do not hold that assumption, I do not feel that bobsnox is very scummy.
are you not voting me because you know I'm not scum and you're waiting for a wagon on me to build so you can hop on it?
FoS bub bidderskins
Scum always work themselves up over contribution and content.
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^ Grasping at strawsFinal Fires wrote:His posting style seems to take a much more aggressive tone once Darla pointed suspicion towards striker and whiskey (potential chainsaw defense? It wasn't that dramatic, but there definitely was a slight change in the attitude of his posts).
Darla please try to lynch me. I will be happy when I flip town and you are on the top of the to-be-lynched list for tomorrow.
It's funny how hard some of you are trying to find legitimate reasons to wagon on me. Trying to cover all your bases to avoid the scenario I just mentioned.
Oh look a straw man.Darla wrote:Bob accuses everyone coming after him of OMGUSing, and bud calls out his play and he immediately FoS's Bud.
1 - Never said "everyone." Look at what you quoted.
2 - I FoSed Bub for going on and on about how pathetic my play is even though he thinks I'm TOWN. That's ridiculous. That's like "let me see how I can find a reason to vote bobsnox when I get off the Darla wagon." He and I are voting for the same person (you), but he's going to waste time criticizing another townie?
You need a bullet tonight after we lynch Darla. That's scummy. Maybe you always give yourself a way out if the ship sinks, but that's scummy.Final Fires wrote:I may unvote depending on how bob defends himself.-
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What are you even trying to say? I didn't say "Don't lynch me you'll be sorry!"... so you lost me big timeFinal Fires wrote:bobsnox wrote:"Don't lynch me! You'll be sorry!" Newb? Ok I can buy that. But someone to keep an eye on for sure.
By your own argument you're someone to keep an eye on.bobsnox wrote:Darla please try to lynch me. I will be happy when I flip town and you are on the top of the to-be-lynched list for tomorrow.
No, you're definitely playing it safe by setting up a possible egress in case the ship sinks. That's not hard to see. If it's your normal behavior, you normally behave like scum.Final Fires wrote:
1. This is definately grasping at straws, which you label as something scummy.bobsnox wrote:
You need a bullet tonight after we lynch Darla. That's scummy. Maybe you always give yourself a way out if the ship sinks, but that's scummy.Final Fires wrote:I may unvote depending on how bob defends himself.
By using the phrase "maybe you always" I did not mean to convey a sense that I have analyzed your previous votes and found such a recurring playstyle. I was suggesting that if (IF) that's your normal behavior, then you play scummy.FF wrote:2. It's also just wrong. I've made three votes (Albert, Ender, and now you), and I was reasonable with my level of commitment to each one according to how strongly I felt about them. Reread my vote against ender and quote anything that "gave me a way out".
what the...FF wrote:Besides, barely explaining why you voted for some one is pretty much the same thing you're accusing me of - "always [giving] yourself a way out if the ship sinks". Again, by your own argument, you're scummy.
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drawing conclusions from incorrect premises makes your argument invalid.FF wrote:It seems like your guilty of the scum behavior your accusing others of, minus worrying about content.
herrrr that's not what I said. nice try dudeFF wrote:As soon as I questioned him he immediately turned around, and instead of defending himself said "OMGUS towards me! Final is grasping at straws for analyzing my play!".
you are grasping at straws. you are making ridiculous leaps in logic. not "for analyzing my play" - you just are.
lollll. Me telling Darla to lynch me = panicking? weirdFF wrote:This made me very suspicious - everyone has been questioned to some extent, but no one thus far has panicked for having suspicion shed on them.
I want you to lynch me so a vig puts a bullet in your head tonight. your arguments are bad - I have the option of pretending like they're not and trying to "defend" myself or I can call them what they are. bad.FF wrote:I made it clear I wanted him to defend instead of just brushing it off and then throwing empty accusations back at me, but so far he has not been able to do that.
you want me to "rationally respond" - be more rational yourself.
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I found scum.Yosarian2 wrote:Eh. I don't have a problem with his darla vote, specifically, although I wish he'd explain it better. I mostly just don't like the way he's trying to aggressively force others to vote her; it feels more like a scum trying to force a wagon then like a town honestly trying to find scum.
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Yeah why?MoreWhisky wrote:
Can you just confirm the 'lets lynch her' part of your post is directed at Darla?bobsnox wrote:
I found scum.Yosarian2 wrote:Eh. I don't have a problem with his darla vote, specifically, although I wish he'd explain it better. I mostly just don't like the way he's trying to aggressively force others to vote her; it feels more like a scum trying to force a wagon then like a town honestly trying to find scum.
Let's lynch her.-
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Lynch me is a request.
Do it. Stop bussing Darla, stop redefining the English language, and do it. Iwant you to do it.
Try to twist that.
What's not to understand? He knows I'm town and he doesn't want the autowagon to form on him tomorrow.Jahudo wrote:I really don't understand your rationale for not voting bob, FF. Do you think your vote would distract people from both a bob and darla wagon?-
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why is it that you don't understand anything I'm saying? I never said I did anything townish. YOU said you'd UNVOTE ME if I SHOWED SIGNS OF BEING TOWN OR WHATEVER. WHICH IS RIDICULOUS - IF YOU VOTE SOMEONE, VOTE THEM. DON'T GIVE THEM/YOURSELF A WAY OUT OF BEING VOTED/VOTING. That was my point. You put a farcical vote on me with the condition that you would take it off prima facie should I behave in a manner to your liking. My whole point was to show how ridiculous that is. "Bob just act like town and I'll unvote you"????? That's akin to saying "Bob I KNOW you're town (because I'm scum), so don't make me keep my vote on you AND GET MYSELF LYNCHED IN RETURN"Final Fires wrote:And also...
You haven't done anything even remotely townish, so this reasoning is off.bobsnox wrote:"bob I'll unvote you as soon as you do something townish because I don't really want to vote you in the first place" <--- rough paraphrase of his initial vote on me
And since when have you been after yos? It seems like you just go after whoever accuses you. Darla, me, bub, and now yos. OMGUS?
WHEN DID I AT ALL HINT THAT I THOUGHT YOS WAS SCUM? I DIDN'T. I DIDN'T EVEN IMPLY I THOUGHT YOS WAS SCUM.-
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FF wrote:You just said "my tactic... yos's head". I think it's fair to say that everyone who read that assumed you meant you wanted yos dead (when you say you want someone's head, this is normally what it suggests). This either implies you're town and you think he's scum, or you're scum and you just want him dead.
if something is up here
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then something is over someone's head.
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Not surprised. I haven't done much more than attract attention to myself to see what would happen by being fairly hostile toward some silly people.Fishythefish wrote:
I read bob fairly thoroughly, since he's a popular target. I don't remember what I concluded, but I know it wasn't overwhelming. I'll go through the arguments more carefully and actually comment on them (some time this weekend).Jahudo wrote:@fishy: I knew you'd replace in strong, that's good to see in this game. Do you have a strong opinion about bobsnox yet? He's been the second or third wagon most of the day.
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Do you think ender and Darla could be scum together?Yosarian2 wrote:I don't really have much of a read on Darla based on her posts; I realize she's had computer problems and other issues, but I would like to hear more from her when we get the chance. Her case against bobsnox is reasonable, but I would like to hear her thoughts on other people, hopefully before the end of the day.
That being said, the wagon against her feels scum driven. I just get a bad vibe from it; the degree to which people are expressing certainty about her being scum seems completely out of proportion to the strength of the case against her, and I think that several of the scummiest players in the game are pushing that wagon in a way that I don't trust.-
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what theMoreWhisky wrote:Darla and ender being scum together? wow i would have never thought of that but it seems to make sense. Top idea Bob im gona look into that more.
sarcasm?
is English your first language?MoreWhisky wrote:One thing that is going on in this town is that your better of not posting, I say that as this is what Darla is doing now(even if these reasons are very genuine) and its working! Im not scum im town, ive told you who the main cuprits are Darla and the new llamarble.
And llamrble i do like your posts very nicely done.
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Are MoreWhisky and Ender/LLamarble scum buddies? hmm
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I wanted to see their justifications.Fishythefish wrote:@bob: I know you've talked a lot about this already, but I'd like to know exactly what you hoped to achieve, or what else you were thinking, when you asked first Darla and then FF to lynch you/try to lynch you. I'm not quite clear on what reactions you hoped for or expected, and how those reactions would help you determine their alignment and/or persuade others of your cases.-
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k so I'm bussing Llamarble and possibly Whiskybrokenscraps wrote:VOTE: Llamarble
bobsnox also looks bad, he purposely posted little at the start of the game and what he did post was without much content, justifies it by claiming his tactic is to sit back and watch, this would be all well and good if sitting back at the start of the day wasn't so much more beneficial for scum than town, there are some other things that I'll look into when I have the patience.
Whisky is still on my list, glad to see more wagoning though I prefer Llamarble right now.-
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CryMeaRiver you really think I'd be bussing my scumbuddies this hard on Day One with no provocation?
why do I keep getting listed as scum with the people I think are scum?
Llamarble - why do you keep saying "let me live longer so I can do some scumhunting!" when your scumhunting consists of repeating previously established arguments?
Time to a) claim and b) come up with better excuses for why you should still be alive.
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It still doesn't make sense. To have us all listed as scum I must be bussing hardcore.CryMeARiver wrote:
That was completely based off of play, not interactions.bobsnox wrote:CryMeaRiver you really think I'd be bussing my scumbuddies this hard on Day One with no provocation?
why do I keep getting listed as scum with the people I think are scum?
Llamarble - why do you keep saying "let me live longer so I can do some scumhunting!" when your scumhunting consists of repeating previously established arguments?
Time to a) claim and b) come up with better excuses for why you should still be alive.
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Fishythefish - if we lynch Llamarble today and he flips Vanilla Townie, then you have some good targets for the lynch tomorrow. Right now you're just killing a darn good bandwagon.-
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right so let's lynch LlamarbleFishy wrote:I was saying to bob that what we need to do is lynch scum, and nothing else. He seems to think that the information content from this lynch is comparably important to the result. A bandwagon on town at this stage of the day is bad if we can lynch scum instead.
look at this awesome wagon stalling out...Fishy wrote:bob seems content with lynching Llama and seeing the outcome, and I think he should be thinking harder about the situation.
was ender scummy? yep. has llamarble rectified that? nope.
ok so I'm voting Llamarble. why are you posting stuff like that?Fishy wrote:Obviously I expect people to use their own reads and minds to make their votes, but equally obviously right now I've got a fairly strong opinion I want people to agree with.
"Don't do what you want to do but do what you want to do"
I now support a Fishy lynch until further noticeFishy wrote:@bob: I was quite sure about Llamatown, but as I say above that's a little off. What I'm now pretty sure of is that the recent wagon is scumdriven, which certainly reflects well on Llama.
He is way too sure Llamarble would flip town.
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Fishythefish wrote:Why do you think I'm scum?
1 - it does matter.Fishythefish wrote:I have no idea. I probably do tend to assume one (in my head this game feels like a mini), but that assumption is not necessarily good. It doesn't really matter for anything I'm saying. If there are scum driving Llama's wagon, that makes it more likely he's town either way - then there is at least one scumteam he can't be on. And BB is much scummier than Llama at the moment, which is really the crucial point. Whether Llama is townish, null or mildly scummy isn't that important.
2 - that wouldn't make it more likely he's town
3 - your last sentence is scummy
You are way too sure Llamarble is town and you're not drawing appropriate conclusions concerning the possibility of there being more than one scum faction.
Conclusion: you are scum who knows there's only your scum faction to deal with and that Llamarble isn't one of your scumbuddies.-
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lolllNikanor wrote:Llarma is town because he thinks his opinion matters. That is classic townie thinking all the way. I'm only skimming his posts but from what I read it really does look like he thinks we care about what he has to say.
Vote: DLG.
Fishy, would you like to join me? A DLG lynch would be excellent right about now.
FoS Nikanor. Maybe you're just silly. But that sounds pretty scummy right there.
Why are you only skimming the posts of one of the leading bandwagons, not too mention the replacement for one of the scummiest players?
I support a Nikanor lynch now
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"made a mess of his role"? you know what his role is?MoreWhisky wrote:Its been said before but ender made a mess of his role, he wasnt scum he was new to this. Llmarble doent deserve this wagon.-
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you gotta be kidding me. me over bub?CryMeARiver wrote:
Interesting. And my wagon analysis does support this. I still prefer Bob at this point.Llamarble wrote:Welcome Werewolf!
On a reread it looks like DLG may actually believe what he's saying, so he moves to somewhere between null and town.
I don't particularly like Yosarian's ISO but I've never played with him and it's certainly not in the same scumminess league as Bub.
That scumslip of Bub's I pointed out most recently needs comments.
Do all you people not voting Bub really buy that he's a townie who was most suspicious of Darla in spite of her making what he agreed was a respectable case against Bobsnox? And then he immediately turned around and said that it was notable she was continuing to move her vote around?? When was it ever bad to make a reasonable case against somebody and move your vote to them?? When I read that post of his I felt like he knew Darla believed what she was saying, which does not make sense if he thinks she's scum.
oh hey don't worry about me voting Fishythefish or anything-
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Nikanor why are youNikanor wrote:
What a long list! Personally, I feel privileged to reside in the esteemed company of ones such as Llamarble, Darla and Fishy.bobsnox wrote:Supported lynches:
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You know that I've called Llama town, right? Meaning IFF wrote:Nikanor you asked us to wait for you to weigh in before hammering. In the time that took, the llama wagon derailed. Potential stalling? If llama is scum we should keep an eye on him. For now though I've still got a null read on Nik.wanthis wagon derailed.
And my vote is very serious. Mafia is serious business and this is no time to be fooling around. There is evil afoot!Llamarble's posts? That's extremely scummy behavior.skimming-
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do you just play drunk or something?MoreWhisky wrote:
Thanks for the offer Nikano , but theres more important potential scum out there at moment, my votes stand for the mo.Nikanor wrote:Hey MW, do you want to join the budding DLG wagon? I'm sure it has the potential to go far, and I can certainly make it worth your while.
Plus, when DLG flips scum you'll get town points for being one of the first on the wagon. Even if you're town, you can't deny that you need that boost to avoid being lynched within the next couple of days.-
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bobsnox Mafia Scum
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Why is Fishy so darn sure Llamarble would flip town?
gosh
There is no shot I'm going to be on the same wagon as Darla, Nikanor and whoever else some of the scumbags are who are voting Whisky right now. I will only join if I absolutely have to to avoid a no-lynch. I think I stated or insinuated earlier that MoreWhisky might just be bad - just a bad player.
I am completely with DLG about the evaporation of the two leading bandwagons. Ridiculous.
Some more food for thought: why was Llamarble so darn desperate to stay alive if he's just a VT?
CryMeaRiver - have you not realized your bandwagon theory is invalid yet? I'm pretty sure I was voting Fishy before you came up with it. Makes no sense according to your scheme. Time to find a new target.-
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bobsnox Mafia Scum
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Hmmm good point right there...brokenscraps wrote:
...Llama wrote:I agree that this case is weak.
Also odd that Whisky wouldn't switch to you when he was sure of a DBE/Llamarble scumteam and the Llama wagon was finding more success; why would he care which of the scum he lynched? Will be something to look at again when he/you flip.-
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Final Fires wrote:Bobsnox, were you not satisfied with Fishy's defense against your case? (Post 391)
Nope. Doesn't make sense. Particularly "It's crazy to say that just because there might be two scumteams, one player being scum can't make anotherFishythefish wrote:Eliminating half the ways a player could be scum makes it half as likely they are scum. In fact, not being scum with BB eliminatesmorethan that - because there's a decent chance there's only one team. It's crazy to say that just because there might be two scumteams, one player being scum can't make anothermore likelyto be town.
Even if I knew there were two scumteams, so what? BB is scummier than Llama. Nothing I'm saying relies on there only being one scumteam.more likelyto be town." That doesn't sound logical at all. There is no basis to assume that anyone doing some scumhunting at this stage is not hunting an opposing mafia faction (unless there's only one faction, which is yet to be determined). How then would someone's scum alignment in any way correspond to another person's town alignment?
I can't honestly say I understand his points though. If there is only one mafia faction then he sort of makes sense, but otherwise he seems to be begging the question and drawing unnecessary conclusions.-
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Yeah I have something to discuss: someone vig Darla tonight. That last post was megascummy.FF wrote:I'm waiting the town's approval before I hammer. If there's anything else that needs to be quickly discussed or finished I would like to give everyone the opportunity to do so before we move in to the night phase.
Or vig Bub Bidderskins (if Llamarble flips town). I like Llamarble's and CryMeaRiver's points against him if Llamarble flips town.-
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