Mini 1138 - Candy Zoo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Twistedspoon]

hey guys

I've played with a few of you before. Vezok, amrun, CP and are familiar

anyways, nice to meet you all

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Well that eliminates hoppster then

anyaways

VOTE: ToastyToast

It's candy zoo mafia, and toast fails to qualify as candy
or zoo life

[Twistedspoon]

not sure what I think of switching votes in RVS

[Twistedspoon]

if we're going to go into the psycology of smilies then yes, you could say I usually dissaprove of vote switching in RVS . You RVS for pressure - why would you destroy reasonless pressure on one person to push reasonless pressure on another?

anyone want to go RQS?

[Twistedspoon]

Plus there's the fact he totally insulted me in his first post.

so you admit it's an OMGUS then

I got the reaction I wanted

anyways, I thought you had a policy lynch on he hoppyfred?

[Twistedspoon]

Twisted and Hopper do you like anime?

not particularly

Twisted, I give you my personal permission (which counts for nothing but I guess now you feel better that you have it amirite?) to proceed to the RQS

I thought you didn't want RQS?

anyways, I'm new to RQS. only discovered it a few days ago. Someone else should start if they want to go down that path

[Twistedspoon]

Vote Amrun

She knows why.

oh, lol

It feels good to be on an in-joke

[Twistedspoon]

Either way I'd be happier if we proceed straight into the serious phase (I'm not sure how that happens to be honest)

well we all just start questioning the players who have overreacted in the Random voting stage *coughhoppstercough*

[Twistedspoon]

What do we do with the items we have? Can we donate them? Maybe if some one gets them all we win:D.

WOAH

what do you mean by 'if someone gets them'
Is it even possible to transfer items?

what reasons do you have for thinking this? I hope this isn't role-fishing vezok from execution mafia again.

[Twistedspoon]

Aaaaaaaaah, no, not again!!!

Unvote

VOTE: vezokpiraka

lol, you and me both

[Twistedspoon]

The mod isn't going to tell us what they do. I think they form some sort of recipe. Maybe when we get some items we can make stuff and gain powers.

Also do you think a mass claim of ingredients is a good thing?

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what makes you believe that these ingredients aren't just here for flavour reasons?
What makes you think they are collectable?

and mass claims are hardly ever to the town's advantage
mafia learn who has what and town only get the wrong ideas from mafia claims.

all town need to do is lynch scum

Ingredients will either help scum or distact us from scumhunting.

Vezok, you're digging your own grave here

[Twistedspoon]

And I found a way to break the game open.

and that justifies a mass claim why?

[Twistedspoon]

Vezok seems to know too much for a VT role.
noted.

I'm sitting on it for now.

Indeed, we haven't even had everyone posting yet and already vezok is trying to skew the game

[Twistedspoon]

shattered viewpoint? hi there. Didn't recognise you :s
lol, Amrun's got her two executee's in this game XP
poor Amrun, you'll get no town reads from those two
JK

[Twistedspoon]

Is vezok's question to reveal our ingredients?

[Twistedspoon]

I assume mafia would want to know our ingredients. That's why we have a closed setup, no?

therefore it's bad that vezok suggested a mass claim

VOTE: ToastyToast

It's candy zoo mafia, and toast fails to qualify as candy
or zoo life

HAHAAH this made me laugh

lol, thanks. That makes my day

hoppster is acting all suspiciousy. He's accused me of rolefishing. It's hard to beat Vezok at that though.

anyways, It looks like hoppster might know too much for VT too.

[Twistedspoon]

Also, where are you from crazy
Twisted and Hopper do you like anime?

Sorttttt of.

RQS ended hoppster, keep up

[Twistedspoon]

AND YOU'RE STILL LOOKING LIKE YOU'RE ROLEFISHING. More Twistedspoon votes please.

and you still look like you're trying too hard to look both town, dictate play and defend vezok

Caps lock doesn't strengthen your argument either

anyways, I'm not interested in tunneling on hoppster as he is on me.

I want to hear more from Vezok right now

[Twistedspoon]

Somebody's so scared of being accused of OMGUS that they aren't willing to attack who they (presumably) find scummy.

(That's you, btw.)

hoppster's trying to bait me :3
Isn't it cute :3

@ mb53: I'm not saying answering the question is scummy. >.<

I'm saying it doesn't help town (to my knowledge), but it almost certainly does hurt town.

Vwezok seems to think it helps town, and that's why I want to hear more from him

I'm not trying to defending Vezok.

Backpeddling? Lets' see, you accused me of rolefishing over vezok, themaster of the art, and

Vezok's open method strikes me as suicide for scum,

also, how is it role-fishing to say you seem to know more than a VT right after you posted:

I have other reasons that I cannot disclose for the moment.

Does anyone else see the flaws in hoppster's logic?

Methinks, Hoppster is trying to get me to tunnel on him to distract me from a scumbuddy of his.

I'm happy to dictate play regarding this matter.

Yeah, that's what scum try and do. Get everyone to blindly follow the scum and you have a town full of sheep.
anyways, posting in caps lock hardly means you can dictate play as town hoppster

[Twistedspoon]

Anyway, everybody lynch TS now, it's already taken too long.

this is hilarious

argument?
or are we relying on Ad hominem here?

anyways, answer mb53's question. It takes priority over your tunneling of me.

[Twistedspoon]

Zyrconium's last post reminds me of a player in execution mafia who has randomly appeared shouting baseless commands to vote certain players

If mb53's question isn't answered in your next posts, hoppster and zyrc, then I shall be voting one of you.

[Twistedspoon]

Hoppster's strawmanning noted

Zyrc, I love you.

wow buddying

this just gets better

VOTE: Hoppster

you wanted it

Twisted, please read Kalofer's post. Kthx.

hoppster, It's you, not me, who's tunneling here

I'm waiting for mb53's question to be answered and vezok to be posting to explain.

[Twistedspoon]

Vezok's role fishing is harmful but almost certainly not in a way that he intended it

and you know what vezok intended?


hoppster, the omniscient townie, as ever

[Twistedspoon]

@ mb53: Thank you. Seriously. I am incredibly grateful. Although, I am fairly confident of Zyrc being town based on his reactions.

moar buddying

trying to make allies are we?

anyways, scum will have likely gone unnoticed so far, under the radar as it will

Hoppster is merely trying to make a name for himself as a scumhunter. Apparently the end justifies the means to him, no matter how anti-town they may be. coughsheepingbuddyingstrawmanningdefendingquestiondodgingetc.cough

[Twistedspoon]

I no longer see Hoppster as scum (good explaination), but I can still see zyrc as scum for sheeping.

you may regret giving hoppster get out of jail free card after one pro-town post.

Scum can make one pro-town post and they walk free.
that's the sad reality in many of my games

@Toasty: glad to see someone isn't basing their reads off of one pretty post. +1 townie point

[Twistedspoon]

yeah, posting a good thing about a player is significantly different to 'zyrc I love you'

even you can see that

[Twistedspoon]

my vote is for pressure btw

It's working. You're driven by rage and no pro-town motivation whatsoever anymore.

once you had a small town read and now it's back to tunneling whilst hiding behind it and declaring your love for players who had a town read on you.
infuriating.
I'm only still here today because I want to ask vezok some more questions.

[Twistedspoon]

I think both of you are town.

please don't; hoppster will be asking you to marry him now, he buddies that much

[Twistedspoon]

reading this page you guys seem to want me to destroy the cases against me.
But flailing and defending myself is scummish.
Scumhunting is the best defence and hopefully I'll move onto hat soon.

Oh, and i've seen a pattern that scum are always going after the most active players in my games.
Curse my high posting rate.

anyways, I expect the real scum to be lurking so far, and will try and comment on this when more people get to posting

[Twistedspoon]

requesting vezok for questioning

[Twistedspoon]

shrug

how can I scumhunt when I'm defending myself.

Anyways, scum would want me to defend myself; it distracts me from scumhunting.

[Twistedspoon]

shrug

i don't have to defend myself 5 pages into the game.
I don't see what your point is

[Twistedspoon]

like i say, I don't see the point in defending myself 5 pages in but to keep you guys happy, I'll say that scum would never be as active as me, I wasn't rolefishing, and my pro-townness outweighs my anti-towness

That's as far as I'll go on defending myself for now. I don't have time to talk about the only confirmed townie I know of in the game (me), when there are 12 other players who could be scum for all I know.

@Vezok: true, but I scumhunt better than i defend, and that's what I prefer to do 5 pages into the game. Defending myself at this point is just silly and only scum usually want to waste time by getting players to do this.

[Twistedspoon]

It's 5 pages in, day 2. Come page 8/9 I'll happily defend myself.
Not sure why you want me to defend myself so much. Why do you care if I defend myself well or not, especially if I'm a null read.

Vezok? She posted this

Oh. I see. I thought everyone had that thing and all the townies would have known why I was asking the question. Turns out I was wrong.

After that my questions were answered.

[Twistedspoon]

wagoning noted

If you provide a good enough defense maybe then you can finally stop being that much of an attention ho
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encouraging someone to post less seems anti-town.

regarding my comment to tasty, i was contrasting how hoppster buddys to how I point out a pro-town action of a player.
Hoppster said

Zyrc, I love you.

I said

@Toasty: glad to see someone isn't basing their reads off of one pretty post. +1 townie point

I posted the toasty comment to show hoppster what he should be doing. Hoppster's 'zyrc i love you' helps the town in no-way, but mine encourages pro-town actions

see the difference yet?

i may die but that doesn't stop my win condition. Killing scum helps me get there, and that's what I need to do to win, not stay alive. This is why defending myself isn't my top priority, especially 5 pages in

[Twistedspoon]

seriously, how can you tar

Zyrc, I love you.

and

@Toasty: glad to see someone isn't basing their reads off of one pretty post. +1 townie point

with the same brush?

One of them is buddying. Have a guess which one

[Twistedspoon]

and guess which one of those the mafia use.

anyways, I've already said why mine wasn't buddying.

Even I'm not stupid enough to buddy after telling hoppster off for it

Ninja'd: Vezok posted. anyways, looks like Vezok is riding the wagon here

[Twistedspoon]

looks like I'm on L-2

ouch.
This is the last time i'll be active day 1.

[Twistedspoon]

Zyrc, editing quotes or misquoting is really scummy

Also, answering questions directed at other players is scummy too. It was addressed to vezok, not you.

And, I don't think you know enough about me to judge me as a player.

[Twistedspoon]

and talk about wagoning.

Is no-one here going to talk about any other suspects, or are we going to let the mafia lurk and walk free?
Pro-lurking tunnelers you guys are.

[Twistedspoon]

We aren't letting lurkers get a free pass. You are scummier than most lurkers. You are the lynch for today.

?

and you know how scummy the lurkers are?

scum could have said next to nothing yet, enjoying the fact that you're onto me.

anyways, since when did 5 people decide today's lynch?

[Twistedspoon]

If i was scum I'd be

a lot

less active and be defending myself

a lot

more.

How can i scumhunt when you guys are at my necks?

Once you stop tunneling, you'll see which direction we need to head in.

[Twistedspoon]

Why can't you defend and scum hunt at the same time?

well, i guess I could, but when I try and do both I end up doing neither very well.
playstyle I guess.
I also find it a bit early for me to defend, 2 days into day 1

[Twistedspoon]

I knew I should have gone with inventor mafia >_>

I guess I'll have to claim before the next person votes

oh non mon ami, i belyv iz yu hu iz, hau yu se, driven by la rage, and I would like you to correct me if I'm wrong THIS INSTANT.

corrected

don't assume that i didn't consider you guys would see it as OMGUS. 'Twas for pressure which hoppster responded to.

You've so far been focusing mainly on one person with the reason (I'm guessing) being that he pwnd you in a previous game

I have never played with hoppster at mafia before. I'm not sure where you got this idea from. I've already had one player making a personal judgement of my mafia history

Please, TwistedSpoon, redeem yourself, you can win back your honour, please just do something...rational, you'll get my support at least, but just stop whatever it is you are doing now PLEASE.

will do

anyways, If anyone else declares an intention to place a vote on me, then say so, and I'll claim

[Twistedspoon]

P-Edit 1&2: Don't claim just yet, we haven't heard from at least 3 players in a while

I won't claim just now

but if anyone hammers before I claim then they're day 2's lynch

Ninja'd

[Twistedspoon]

@Hoppster:

let's go

1) I've been too busy defending myself to vote. That and I forgot. That and there are too many lurkers too choose between. That and it's only day 2.
4 reasons there

2) both. scum rarely have the same activity levels silly

3) see 1

4) see 3 (which is see 1)

5) he quoted me, and i never said it. That's misquoting

6) scum like to put words into people's mouths to hide the truth and exert their opinions

[Twistedspoon]

beacuse i found hopp's early actions scummy

why else?

[Twistedspoon]

Actually, to be fair to Twistedspoon, we do converse over PM and have been for a fair while now (nothing game related of course...).

I strongly discourage anyone from doing the same. The conversations we have are more like worship ceremonies to hoppster

@Hopp: 1) I can and will shortly, when I have had the chance to review and I hear from a few players again

2)

Of course everyone is possible scum

what kind of question is that?

3) ?
4) ?
5) so what's the question then?
6) why answer a question directed at someone else? It's scummish

[Twistedspoon]

I accept no responsibility for being awesome.

This is exactly what I'm talking about >_>


2) No

everyone is possible scum, just some seem more likely than others

3) talking leads to voting, or reasons why not to vote. Both are good as the town learn how to use thier biggest weapon better

5) sure, why not. I'll bet one of the scum is a lurker; I just don't know how many and which ones

6) scum could give the wrong answer. It's safer just to let the intended answerer answer

[Twistedspoon]

2) lolwut? we're on the wrong wavelength here

3) see 1

5)no, It is just one reason of many (i think 4 i cited). Alone it is useless, but alongside my other reasons it hold water

6) scum might want to give the wrong answer

[Twistedspoon]

Saying you aren't scum because you are active is WIFOM. Therefor, pointless.

well scum would never do it, or they'd be in the position I'm in right now :/

anyways, that wasn't the biggest point of my argument. Probably the weakest actually.

[Twistedspoon]

2) In short: you admitted your point was that everybody is possible scum. You then denied it.

I never ruled any player out from being possible scum, except for maybe myself, I'm the only townie I know of

3) since when was I anti-discussion?

5) you've got the wrong quote there hoppster, not that you could justify your counter against it

6) cool story bro

anyways, now that I've answered your 6 points your case has vanished, or at least been diluted with the cordial of justice

7)so? How many times have scum been as active as me? And yes, I know that sounds WIFOMish.
Like i said, it's one of my weaker points

[Twistedspoon]

actually, not much that can't be put down to WIFOM or some other form of scum trickery, in all honesty.
I won't flail and this point
I just wanted to hear from vezok at the start, but got barraged by my wagon

anyawys, I feel like my claim is becoming inevitable, but I've gtg for today.

No-one hammer whilst I'm gone

[Twistedspoon]

fair enough

you learn something new everyday

but in this game I'm not the scum

anyways, I'm bored of my tennis-match style quote war with hoppster
I want to hear more from players such as Toasty, Amrun and NS

[Twistedspoon]

At least i admit it's wifom

[Twistedspoon]

because scum wouldn't point out the faults in their own logic

[Twistedspoon]

your gut is right

It looks like I have to claim now
am I allowed to quote my role PM?

[Twistedspoon]

just checking

I'll go ahead and claim then

[Twistedspoon]

I am a

zoo visitor

I don't have any ingredients
My alignment is town though. My win condition is when all threats to the town are eliminated

Each night I can target another player to visit. If I target a candy animal I can take their goodies.
Apparently If i get enough of the goodies I can make something from them, I don't know what yet.

that's my claim.

[Twistedspoon]

My thoughts on my role:

At first I thought I was the 'vanilla role' with the mafia having goodies for me to steal from.
But then I read the sample role PM and realised I wasn't a candy animal and therefore not the vanilla role.

I'm unsure if this role could also be used like a cop, as I might be informed if I cannot steal items, and mafia may not have items.
I don't know why I'd want ingredients, but apparently I can make something good with them.

[Twistedspoon]

If we believe your claim there has to be someone who has something like you or similar.

why?

[Twistedspoon]

shrug

it says my alignment is town, and that's what matters

[Twistedspoon]

She is a zoo visitor and the flavor in the beginning makes it seem like one of the zoo visitors are the murderers.

I'm a he :/

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: Zyrconium

yeah, I've been meaning to do that for a while now

[Twistedspoon]

Also, I think that twisted's role can explain his odd "role fishing" earlier

well I never intended to role fish

I said it seemed as though vezok knew too much for a VT. This was obvious.

As this is not an example of what the mod said was a VT role, then 1 of the following must apply:

a) TS truly is what he says he is (some sort of townie PR) and as such lynching him would be bad for town
b) he made it all up

Trust me, I'd have chosen a much more common PR, or claimed candy animal, if I had wanted to make something up.

We are multiple vanillas with ingredients. It would be stupid to have only one guy who can use the ingredients.

If there is another zoo visitor, I'd prefer them not to claim. If the mafia know more about my ability than myself, then they might try to NK me if they see my ability as a threat.
I wouldn't want another Zoo visitor to claim unless we know more about ingredients or they're about to be hammered

[Twistedspoon]

start thinkin he's just a VI

:3

not VI, just reckless townie

[Twistedspoon]

To be specific, there's no doubt in my mind he's telling the truth about his role, his alignment however is still questionable.

well my PM says I'm town aligned, so I'm all for hunting the scum, and my ability can only be pro-town whatever it is

maybe the ingredients are useless to candy animals, but when I take them off of them, I can make something useful?

[Twistedspoon]

can I point out that Crazypianist hasn't posted since page 1

I'll request a prod if he doesn't post soon

[Twistedspoon]

Actually, can I add that I'm with Crazypianist in another of my games and he posted yesterday and today in that game.
It just this game he appears to be lurking in.
He's choosing not to post it would appear

Prod crazypianist

and if NS doesn't post again soon I'll request a prod for him too

[Twistedspoon]

you're looking too deeply into my shrugs

I always post shrug, just look at our PMs or some games where I flipped town.
It's a habit and has noting to do with my Role PM which states I'm town and that's what matters at the end of the day to fulfil our win conditions

anyways, I believe that If i take candy It will be useful for me to create a pro-town item which candy animals cannot take themselves. That's my take on my role.

[Twistedspoon]

If twisted flips town, we learn something about the set-up and I learn something about my role PM.

so that's appropriate justification for killing a townie?

anyways, I'm only telling the truth

If I was scum I would have claimed a more obvious town role wouldn't i?

[Twistedspoon]

If I was scum I would have claimed candy animal. I know that's a town role, why take a risk with a zoo visitor claim?

I'm only giving the truth here, I can give no-more

mb53? why not? He's active and fair. Seems more town than scum

[Twistedspoon]

Preview Edit: Twisted, you might convince us if you stopped defending yourself with WIFOM.

because it's the truth and the truth has to make sense

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: Amrun

post 237 really hits a bad chord with me

[Twistedspoon]

you really shouldn't have called it OMGUS. I hate it when people say that. I always find true justification for my votes and consider them from other people's perspectives. Anyways, here we go:

If twisted flips town, we learn something about the set-up and I learn something about my role PM.

If you're scum you know I'll flip town, and this is your justification for when this happens. That way you can keep your hands clean

If twisted flips scum, as I believe he will, we probably found a scumbuddy in mb53.

Hoppster: I re-read OP and agree with you. All 13 are suspicious.

Yeah, I can't speak for mb53, but whatever he's done for me you've done for hoppster.

Question to town: Has no-one else seen a hoppster-Amrun link? Answer this

I had planned to make a case on him today and give twisted the benefit of the doubt, but I mis-remembered something about my own role and just realized it.

Another excuse for you to keep your hands clean when I flip town.

More Amrun votes please

[Twistedspoon]

Amrun has a town read from me. I dunno whether its gut or what,

probably gut

[Twistedspoon]

sry, ignore the probably

[Twistedspoon]

Ever since your claim, something hasn't sat right with me. Why go and add the green for emphasis? Why did it feel so scummy?

Because it is a scum role, that's why.

I added green because that was how I received it

why change the truth?

anyways, town would add green as well as scum, they want to stay alive too

[Twistedspoon]

I am not washing my hands clean if you flip town

that's for the town to decide, they're the voters

If they're not biased they should see it as I did

But stop pretending that's why I'm voting for you.

You haven't said why though other than this

something hasn't sat right with me.

Tell me why then, If you have a reason that isn't mafia intent, gut or superior PM knowledge

you need to swing.

swing?

You mean flip?

[Twistedspoon]

Glad I wasn't the only one who thought that. I thought I was just being paranoid.

yay, more fuel to the hoppster-Amrun link I was talking about

[Twistedspoon]

If I had any link with Amrun, I wouldn't have made that post, because it would be obvious that we had a link.

too late now, you did

anyways, that's WIFOM you're using

[Twistedspoon]

other way round, mine is true

anyways, no WIFOM is acceptable, yours is just worse since your using it after telling me not to

[Twistedspoon]

If you don't think WIFOM is acceptable, WHY DO YOU KEEP USING IT TO DEFEND YOURSELF?!

I stoppped after you told me. I haven't used it recently, unlike you.

And my reason for voting for you should be blatantly obvious: my role PM indicates that the role you claimed absolutely MUST be scum.

And what will you say when I flip town?
Ie. What will your excuse be? If you're certain how is it possible that I am town?

[Twistedspoon]

I'm dead then

ah well, I know you can win this one for me town.
I was town aligned, shame you didn't believe me

have fun guys, all the best

[Twistedspoon]

I'm dead then

ah well, I know you can win this one for me town.
I was town aligned, shame you didn't believe me

have fun guys, all the best

what?

I thought I was dead

ah, well you've seen my post-game thoughts, so that makes me a confirmed townie now amiright?

[Twistedspoon]

well I thought I was dead, and would have went 'bah, I was mafia' If i was mafia

[Twistedspoon]

Wait was that the hammer?

made me think I was dead

[Twistedspoon]

well it was the truth as you'll soon find out

then You'll see I was right all along, and that you should have believed my claim
You've lost a PR. Amrun seems to have developed a habit of killing them off.

[Twistedspoon]

when I signed up for candy zoo I didn't expect it to be so serious. :[
last time I ever post actively. next time I'll take Nobody special's or Hazard's approach; they don't seem to be today's lynch.

after the flip, if I am wrong, I'll be happy to elaborate.

elaborate now, whilst I'm still alive.

[Twistedspoon]

Add AtE to the list.

but it's true

the lurkers are still alive

[Twistedspoon]

My role PM almost flat out states that your role is scum.

and mine states that I'm town

[Twistedspoon]

basically if you were in my shoes, you'd have no defence either apart from the truth which just so happens to be WIFOM

what else can I say other than the truth?

[Twistedspoon]

yeah, that's what i tried to do, but you guys kept telling me to defend myself

I told you i wanted to scumhunt; that much is also true.

[Twistedspoon]

I could do both, but i do neither very well.

I remember saying that to vezok about 6 pages ago

[Twistedspoon]

I'm guessing the role PM of candy animal says that bad guys will try to steal your goodies?

If so, then I'm an exception

[Twistedspoon]

OMG TWISTEDSPOON, JUST WHY???!!!

what?

[Twistedspoon]

Let me check I'm not hammering, then I'll vote.

does it matter at this stage

do you honestly believe that there is a chance of me not being today's lynch?

[Twistedspoon]

what?
what just happened?

fill me i here

[Twistedspoon]

This whole day is going very fast

because I'm so active

HOW CAN YOU GUESS THAT IF YOU'RE TOWN?

I'm town, but not candy animal

that's why i don't understand some things

[Twistedspoon]

because I am actually getting sucked into WIFOM with "Would scum really be dumb enough to do that?" and other BRAP.

couldn't resist :/

anyaways, there's a part of me that wishes I claimed candy animal, since being truthful about my role hasn't helped me =|

going to sleep for today
~Twistedspoon

[Twistedspoon]

@mb:

shrug

I guess I couldn't stand the pressure. It all started when hoppster didn't say why he didn't want us to answer Vezok's question. It all got worse for me from there.

[Twistedspoon]

is it really that bad to say why your PM says I'm scum?

[Twistedspoon]

@ Twisted: Any

inkling

of what Hazard's reasons are? Y/N.

is it really that bad to say

why

how your PM says I'm scum?

FTFY. Of course they don't know the reason it says you're scum. But in answer to your question possibly, yes.

how can I?
I don't have his Role PM

and now you're just misquoting me.
That's not on.

[Twistedspoon]

That isn't true Zyrc.

I thought me and Amrun had the same roles. We don't. Based on my role TS is not confirmed scum.

Hmm. Then we don't have the same PMs.

I will agree with you amrun then.

unvote
vote TS

so why do you trust amrun so much?

[Twistedspoon]

Is Amrun cool with that Idea?

If I flip town Amrun dies?
I'm sure Amrun might want to say something to that

[Twistedspoon]

If you flip town, I will fully reveal WHY I thought my PM was calling you scum, TS.

but that'll be too late :/

anyways i want to live for today so that I can see what happens when I take someone's ingredients. Maybe I can make something useful from them.

[Twistedspoon]

Too late for what?

too late as in the PR (me) will be dead :/

[Twistedspoon]

Just checking in. I don't really have anything to say right now though.

I'm sure the 3 votes on you might want to hear from you :/

If everyone -- and I do mean EVERY PLAYER -- comes in and says they want me to paraphrase the particular part of my PM that makes me feel so strongly, I will do so.

i'm in on this for obvious reasons.

[Twistedspoon]

remember this?

Getting tickets for admission remains a mystery, but I heard that having a high

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this is why the zoo visitor role shouldn't be auto-scum

I know I'm town and that role.

[Twistedspoon]

sure, evil people may be after your goodies

that's why I need to have them; to stop the mafia from getting them.

[Twistedspoon]

...

well what you assume if you had my role, were town and were advised to take ingredients from candy animals?

[Twistedspoon]

But now everyone knows what I know.

which is bad how?

for some reason i felt I hard already heard the phrase 'evil people are after your goodies'
It seemed familiar from somewhere in the topic.

Besides, how does that information help mafia? They probably already knew that they should take goodies from candy animals

[Twistedspoon]

:/

better to reveal yourself as a candy animal than remain a possible PR for scum to kill.

The way you were so reluctant made you seem like you were a PR

anyways, I'll protect the ingredients of yours from the mafia tonight by taking them myself. I'm town, so that has to be a good thing.

[Twistedspoon]

zyrconium and vezok are scum.

then why aren't you voting them?

how can you call someone scum without voting them?

v. suspicious

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: Toasty

[Twistedspoon]

I lied to protect my PR status

so what?

[Twistedspoon]

this is why the zoo visitor role shouldn't be auto-scum

It's not the zoo visitor bit, it's the taking goodies bit that concerns me.

:/

It concerned me too, but I can't argue with the role I've been given

[Twistedspoon]

@TS: because some people, like me, believe in "lynch all liars" policy.
.

I lied because if I said 'hey, ingredients can be taken'

you'd have asked 'how do you know this?

and then I'd be forced to claim PR if it wasn't already assumed.

I lied to protect a town PR. how is that bad?

[Twistedspoon]

but post one doesn't mention the zoo visitor's abilities.

It would be very risky to make up a role with the abilities of mine (stealing candy from the VTs) :/

[Twistedspoon]

well i have no other arguments do i?
I've claimed and told the truth and there's little else I can do or say regarding my alignment.

[Twistedspoon]

EBWOP: I should add, both of them NEED TO use their roles tonight.... seriously! I'd have advice on how to use them, but town tends to bitch when I puppeteer power roles....

go for it

[Twistedspoon]

i don't like him

continue please

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: Twistedspoon

Let's get this wagon going.

I'm not really keen on a Zyrconium lynch.

and why do you think it stopped in the first place?

because the sensible players realised it was far to risky today, and lynching a claimed PR makes no sense anyways.
srsly, if my candy-taking ability turns out to be really useful, we will have shot ourselves in the foot here

[Twistedspoon]

you're only hopping back on to follow hoppster

your voting has been like a yo-yo this whole game vezok, and it's not doing you any favours :/

[Twistedspoon]

If this is the only defense you've got you're scum.

and when i flip town?

[Twistedspoon]

but they're BWing me :/

again

[Twistedspoon]

You won't. Don't worry.

but what will you say when i do?

are you willing to bet your life that I'm scum

anyways, if you're so sure then why only vote now, just after hoppster?

how wagony

[Twistedspoon]

You could be lying right now. We don't know.

Better to erase all doubt.

justifying a townie death with 'oh, well he lied' isn't enough

[Twistedspoon]

you know why i lied, so i wouldn't be seen as a PR and be NK'd

and it's silly to kill a claimed PR now anyways

[Twistedspoon]

AHEM.

because at the time you never said why you didn't want vezok's question answering :/

[Twistedspoon]

We have to lynch TS today. If we don't we'll double cross ourselves later saying TS is scum and stuff like that.

let me try my PR ability out tonight. At least I can do something during the night phase to help us.

hasn't hazard claimed the same role as me anyways?

[Twistedspoon]

TS's role claim is my role.

so the either both hazard and I are scum or none of us are

and i know i'm not

[Twistedspoon]

I was just showing it to vezok :/

[Twistedspoon]

@Hoppster: I think TS' lie makes him look like scum.

i lied to make it seem as though I wasn't a PR

mafia kill PRs

@ TS: If you cannot guess my reasons, please answer the following FULLY:

Do evil people want to know your goodies?

Add clarification is you feel it is necessary to ensure your answer is TOTALLY unambiguous.

perhaps, but only if they can get hold of them
townies like me would want to know where they can get goodies too though

[Twistedspoon]

how abouts because I'm a claimed PR and that'd be too risky for a D1 lynch?

[Twistedspoon]

if i hadn't lied I'd have claimed PR for nothing

[Twistedspoon]

LOOK WHAT I FOUND 6 POSTS ABOVE YOURS, TWISTEDSPOON!
I've actually reached the continuous quoting limit I've been quoting my unanswered question so many times.

does it matter why?

A townie wouldn't care as long as they know they wouldn't be myslynched, and I wouldn't want to give scum the satisfaction of saying why so
That, and I honestly don't remember which post of your it was that made me reconsider

[Twistedspoon]

1)I, myself have no ingredients; I am a zoo visitor
2)I have no goodies. looking back at my role PM though, it does explicitly say that I can make something useful out of goodies

Kalofer? seems rational enough. Knows theory too

[Twistedspoon]

Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I have a compelling and near-irrefutable case to prove to you that Twistedspoon is scum, or at the very best, a townie lying about his PR.

just read the top part so far

It can't be irrefutable since I know I'm not lying nor am I scum.

what'll you say when you find out I'm both town and the role I've claimed?

[carrys on reading]

[Twistedspoon]

On other semi-related points:

• You still haven't answered my question about how you dropped that 'HOPPSTER IS SCUM' thing.
  
• You think that Kalofer's recent posts are rational?

1) I have as well as I could
2) the part where Kalofer considers all eventualities and flip results I find to be rational

[Twistedspoon]

Also, the though processes of yours are quite generalised.

In an Ideal world we may all think as you do hoppster, but sadly, such is not the case

My thought processes:
1) I am a townie
2) I am probably the VT role (this was before I saw the sample role PM, and as such I assumed Zoo visitor was the VT role, and that most townies would have my role)
3) After reading the sample role PM i thought I might be a PR, but someone else might share my role too
4) I then realise that my role might work like a cop, as I could see who is a candy animal during the night phase (I'm unsure if this would work though. I might not be notified of the ingredients I steal or if I am successful)
5) to protect my PR status I must act as though I know little of the candy stealing mechanic and act as if those who know more than the sample role PM are suspicious. Thus, I am unlikely to be a PR due to my little knowledge shown of candy mechanics
6)PR will live, make good items and maybe even act as a cop (this part goes wrong when you guys put me on L-1)

[Twistedspoon]

So you were happy to put other possible PRs under suspicion to save yourself?

no, the idea was to put mafia under suspicion

@NS: do you just pop in to this topic every time you think I'm exploitable? anyways, I thought zoo visitor was the VT role before I read the flavour.

Visitor seemed average enough.

Anyways, I'm only telling you what I thought

[Twistedspoon]

Why is it then impossible for other people who appear to have more information than the sample PM to then also be town PRs?

it isn't

they could Be PRs, but if they're prepared to say they know more than a candy animal about ingredient taking mechanics, then they've already claimed PR anyways :/

the kalofer part? I can't vouch for him, but this setup is very mysterious and I'm sure he has his reasons. The parts I found rational were elsewhere anyways. Why not ask Kalofer why he voted for you again, like you've done with me

srsly, why are you asking me about kalofer anyways?

[Twistedspoon]

I'm not giving Kalofer a free pass for the posts you quoted. I'm not giving him one at all

I advised you ask him again for your information; I know nothing of it

But i did like some other parts of kalofers posts

why would I attack someone I believe to have the same role as me? If I believed them to be mafia, then sure, but otherwise why would I?

[Twistedspoon]

Hmmm, perhaps you KNOW that you have the same role

same role as who?

[Twistedspoon]

Kalofer/Hazard

I have seen no indication of Kalofer's role (although I haven't been looking out for anyone's)

The only roles I know of are my own and candy animal

I believe hazard might have hinted that he also has the zoo visitor role though :/

[Twistedspoon]

@Hoppster:

?

My suspicions of who is mafia are stronger than my suspicions of who are PRs if that's what you're implying

the hazard part? Even now I don't know for sure If he's a zoo visitor, and at the time of my post, I don't remember him hinting at being a zoo visitor

[Twistedspoon]

fine

There's nothing else I can say

I've told you everything I know

sadly, you'll lose a PR and any Items i should be able to make

But you guys are so determined
I look forwards to our next game

[Twistedspoon]

sad it had to end this way TS, sad that nobody believed us that you were town and sad that nobody cares for the future and just wants to lynch you without considering the consequences, again I'd like to apologise for the many times I've insulted you and wish you good luck in your other games, hope we play again sometime.

<3

I look forwards to the day; I promise I'll do better then

good luck to the rest of you townies; you have my support

@Mod: Will there be a QT for dead players to discuss the game?

[Twistedspoon]

eh

day 2 will be the same minus 2 townies

[Twistedspoon]

On behalf of TwistedSpoon and myself, I would like to shout out: I TOLD YOU SO!!!

I can do it myself mate

i told you so

anyaways, It's boring here in the dead QT without a friend :'(

someone die and join me

/bah

good luck guys
get me my first town win

[Twistedspoon]

told you hoppster was scum

[Twistedspoon]

my logical basis for it was that you were scum. And that you tunnel too hard.

That's logical enough

and Kalofer should've, yknow, told everyone my role was a town one. For some reson he thought it'd be cool for my lynch but whatever

[Twistedspoon]

I wasn't scummy until you tunneled and asked me daft questions

first 2 pages I was pro

[Twistedspoon]

Lol

there goes Hoppster's perfect scum record

I call that a success