00s Band Mafia (Game Over!)

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: Chesskid3

obviously.

[DemonHybrid]

Wow, Pine.

Unvote, Vote: Pine

[DemonHybrid]

I'm out of RVS, jsyk

[DemonHybrid]

In fact, he's the opposite. Calling himself town AND trying to policy lynch chesskid in his first post of the game?

[DemonHybrid]

So clearly it has nothing to do with my status as Town/scum/third party.

VOTE: chesskid

Completely serious policy vote for reasons stated in sign up thread.

I pulled Town, and don't want him dragging us down.

1. It has nothing to do with your alignment? Why did you say it?
2. Town wants town alive, despite who is behind the reins. If I was in a game with furcolow, shotty, andrew94, moose200x, vezok and me, I would at least recognize that a majority of them were town even though I don't like the fact that any of them are playing in the same game as me. It shows that you want a lynch and you don't give a shit about alignment.

[DemonHybrid]

Miller.

Vote: Pine

Bring it, biatch

Well, not only did he say NOTHING about this being a policy lynch, he also claimed miller and you don't care about any of that.

That's called a policy lynch, DH. I don't have any idea at this point what chesskid's alignment is

You don't call for a lynch on someone's alignment on which you have absolutely no certainty of.

[DemonHybrid]

Basically: If you have a really fucking annoying as shit player who is town, that doesn't take away from the fact that they are

town

. Though I don't think chesskid is annoying at all and people react too heavily around him, that's digressing. Take a look at his play so far. Is it really play of someone who is scum? Ask yourself that.

I'm going to keep my vote on you, though, because I absolutely despise the way you called yourself town.

[DemonHybrid]

Confirmed role: Fall Out Boy

[DemonHybrid]

Continues attacking Pine for something that's a known null-tell, random voting and asking for a lynch is essentially the definition of the RVS period.

I like your analysis, but no. RVS is not "asking for a lynch", it's "finding out enough information to start the game off proper".

Calling oneself "town" in the -first post of the game- is not a null tell. It's really really really odd.

[DemonHybrid]

@DH: It was in reference to this post from the signup thread, (where my problem with chesskid started):

Dude, you lied in the pregame. Add your reputation on this site in, and you're clearly a liability to whatever team you're on. So if I'm Town, it's in my best interests to get rid of you before you can be a dick and screw us over, and if I'm scum with you...well, I've already committed to it, so I'd have to follow through, now wouldn't I?

You're confusing "policy" with "I personally dislike you". Your threats are the latter, mine are the former.

Maybe that will clear it up for you. Seriously, I'm not so obvious as that when playing scum. I tend to be more careless as Town.

You pretty much stated that you'd do this 100% though, since there's no sense in claiming scum if you are scum. That's what I find weird about it.

[DemonHybrid]

Pine, basically, the main point in what I find scummy about what you did is that you gave the unneeded information that "I'm town". The fact that you voted someone who claimed miller is all secondary, but it just rings as plain

weird

to me.

[DemonHybrid]

Pine, I've never played with DH before though I've spectated a few of his games, arguing over semantics isn't something I've seen him do as town

Wow, then apparently you didn't look hard enough, lmao. I always get into wall post arguments about semantics.

Is Parama even in this game? Pretty sure that Para didn't say he was Parama. Yet.

However, you made good points on Gaoth (and I admit I didn't read him closely since I was too busy talking to Pine). Pine, don't hold a grudge. I'm glad that you took the miller claim into perspective, at least, and you seem to have pretty genuine motivation behind what you did now that you explained it a bit more, so

Unvote, Vote: Gaoth

Reg is right and you look bad for posting filler. 4 pages and you don't have a read yet.

[DemonHybrid]

Dude, you're 4 votes to a lynch. Why would you feel like you need to claim?

[DemonHybrid]

Hell, I do L-2 claims all the time, but L-4?

[DemonHybrid]

@Regfan Yeah, I got a little excited about finding out if Parabollocks was an alt, but this was because I was trying to determine how I should be viewing his play style. I referenced a past game (which I know some of the other players here were in) to illustrate my opinion on the role claiming. I have yet to offer speculation on the policy lynch situation because they were referencing an argument on the sign up page, a page which I never visited, and at that point was having trouble finding. However, I will offer my thoughts on it now, because I found it!

So, Chesskid wants a PL on C-Worl for past actions. Pine wants a PL on Chesskid for wanting a PL on C-Worl. IMHO, Pine's defense of C-Worl seems very buddy-buddy, especially since they have been distancing themselves in game. I know, Pine said he would PL Chesskid on principle, regardless of alignment, but it would have been very easy to just let it go (IT WAS THE SIGN UP PAGE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!). The fact that Pine carried it out so long says to me that he is trying to protect C-Worl. This screams scumbuddies, especially since I'm assuming that the set up is similar to the 90's game with two differing (fairly small) mafia factions.

On that note, I am guessing the set up is 12-2-2, and we are one weak-ass town, or its 10-3-3 PRs in both (obviously the more likely situation, since set up blatantly states there are PRs out there.

I think we should put some pressure on Pine.

UNVOTE Gorilla, VOTE Pine

Resistance is Useless!

Not better. Your vote is a "pressure" vote after all of that?

[DemonHybrid]

eh I'm obvtown

but I've been obvtown as scum before
(see 90's band lololol)

Both you and I know that you act very differently when you're scum. And you're acting quite the opposite here. Yes, you are extremely town.

[DemonHybrid]

Talapus (9): diddin, Gorilla, evilpacman18, Parabollocks, Regfan, Hiraki, tarsonisoceot, scumhunter, Chesskid3

Vote: tarsonisoceot

. A C-Worl vote and then Talapus out of -nowhere-.

No.

[DemonHybrid]

But but but but but hiraki was voting Tarson

And? Hiraki is town. It fits that Hiraki was killed as a defensive maneuver, especially since tarson doesn't seem that experienced.

[DemonHybrid]

Talapus has just jumped into my scumlist majorly with that overdefensiveness.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Talapus

See, this is her only reasoning for her Talapus vote. And then she said something about the # of votes needed to lynch.

She needs to die pwease. Hang her pwease.

[DemonHybrid]

but but but but but hiraki only makes sense as a kill in that sense if there's 1 scumteam

and even in that case he was grade A mislynch bait why kill him

1. 90's mafia was two teams. It's plausible that this is a one team game.
2. Why kill him?

Becauuuuuuuseeee like I said, defensiveness?

Preview edit: Well, even if he was vigged, do you disagree that tarson's vote was absolute garbage?

[DemonHybrid]

vote: Regfan

He voted for town yesterday. Burn.

Wow did you like even read or what is this

[DemonHybrid]

What? Why are we claiming?

I mean, I'll claim next if so, I just want confirmation from the majority of everyone that we're doing this, because it's Day 2.

[DemonHybrid]

Aw, hell, I'll do it now.

Green Day, 21 Guns is my main performance

.

[DemonHybrid]

tarsonis.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

[DemonHybrid]

tarsonis not knowing who the hell her band is with a song that isn't that well known as well as being able to explain herself in regards to Hiraki = very very very town. I was wrong.

[DemonHybrid]

So....Pine, C-Worl or gorilla....

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Vote: gorilla

. Your votes so far have been midwagon and opportunistic.

[DemonHybrid]

Cage isn't obscure, but Free Love sure as hell is.

I realized that a mass-name claim was probably a good idea like a few seconds after I posted before my claim. It was more like: Shock (why the hell are people claiming?) and then realization (oh, well I guess it could benefit, so why not).

[DemonHybrid]

Pine: TO said she was female a few times now.

[DemonHybrid]

Scumhunter, you are so very very dumb. -_-

[DemonHybrid]

Why diddin and Pine? I agree with the other 3 (and Scumhunter, no matter how dense he is)

[DemonHybrid]

Because you outed yourself out as a power role?

Jesus.

[DemonHybrid]

Scumhunter, seriously, remind me to look over the playerlist for each game I join for now on for you and /out whenever you /in so I never have to play with you again.

[DemonHybrid]

diddin, popcorn please.

[DemonHybrid]

Scumhunter, at this point you are PISSING ME OFF

[DemonHybrid]

AND I RARELY GET PISSED OFF IN A GAME OF MAFIA

NOW THINK.

[DemonHybrid]

Except that he never said he was confirmed town

except that it makes sense that he wouldn't claim as scum

faking a flavor claim or any other claim is DUMB and either way, SH is dumb. He either is gambiting as a VT creating a trap that anyone could fall for or outed himself as a power role and both are DUMB.

and I'm pissed

[DemonHybrid]

Why diddin and Pine? I agree with the other 3 (and Scumhunter, no matter how dense he is)

SH, diddin isn't the only one who thinks you are dumb town. I do. chesskid does. gorilla does (not that that matters...he's likely scum). Because it doesn't make SENSE that you'd claim as scum and think that you're cool.

[DemonHybrid]

gorilla thinks Regfan is mafia?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xH0xorgUoI

[DemonHybrid]

So...why didn't you vote for him just now, then?

BC, I'm scumz and I'm stupid. Duh.

OH LOOK, A SCUMCLAIM, SCUMHUNTER

I MAED IT EASY FOR U

[DemonHybrid]

You're playing a town game this game. I know I'm going mostly off of meta, but you've done a lot of scumhunting in this game.

[DemonHybrid]

Sorry, I'm here.

I was busy wrapping up THAT GAME THAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED.

Slaxx knows.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: nintendoaddict1

gorilla's another day. Thank you for summarizing that for me, Regfan.

[DemonHybrid]

Question:

Are we not lynching NA tonight? Or are we just gathering more info, and then lynching him?

[DemonHybrid]

Why would scum claim scum? Shouldn't he be modkilled for trolling then? That's playing against your win-condition.

Giving up is different than outright claiming. If he says something about his buddies though, he should be. As of right now, he should be lynched.

However, I'm not Slaxx. So I can't exactly tell you what will happen.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: EPM

You were a bit too sure that nintendo was town there, broski

[DemonHybrid]

Pine, you had better scumhunt your ass off today.

Also, this doesn't clear diddin. I hope that's clear.

[DemonHybrid]

So...er, not to be ungrateful or anything, but why revive Pine instead of waiting for a PR to die?

"Vanilla" reviver.

[DemonHybrid]

So...er, not to be ungrateful or anything, but why revive Pine instead of waiting for a PR to die?

"Vanilla" reviver.

Never mind, this was answered.

[DemonHybrid]

The game of many scumslips.

[DemonHybrid]

Also, I'd imagine that you'd get a song for each ability.

[DemonHybrid]

Slaxx

: If a JOAT of any alignment were to be in this game, would that JOAT be able to perform more than one different action a night?

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

Hold the phone until Slaxx answers.

[DemonHybrid]

This is a theme game. It could go either way.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm still waiting for Slaxx's answer before I process ANY of this.

[DemonHybrid]

@Pine:

If EPM is scum, then DemonHybrid is scum and C-worl is town.

Alright, you've said this about a million times now. As if you're psychologically wired to say it.

Why?

[DemonHybrid]

I'll believe EPM's claim for today, though he's by no means confirmed, as he could be a mafia JOAT, but I'm not for lynching him right now. Can't really bring myself to risk killing off a potential town JOAT; they're really powerful. On the other hand, I'll be keeping an eye on him very heavily. Personally, though, I think the band claim gels....not sure about the song names, but I guess that's for future discussion. EPM should live today.

My other suspect is still gorilla. I need to check others' avoidance/tunneling of nintendo, so I'll be back with that later.

[DemonHybrid]

I said a few things. You conveniently decided not to include the last part of my post.

1. I said I

wasn't sure

about the song names. You seem to imply that that 100% means that I'm suspicious of it. I'm saying that I have yet to see a flip that confirms less popular songs as potential songs, but I'm not throwing away the possibility.

2. I would have thought:

though he's by no means confirmed

would suggest that, you know, he's NOT CONFIRMED TOWN. So, it could go either way, as your colors suggest. Yes, I don't want his lynch today. No, I'm not completely sure of his innocence.

And I'm not voting C-Worl, or anyone at the moment, because I'd like to evaluate everyone's interactions with nintendo and I won't be doing that until I get back from work later today.

[DemonHybrid]

I left out the stuff about gorilla, yes. Wasn't relevant to the point I was making, which is that you are hardcore fencesitting.

You left out the stuff about gorilla and my desire to look at nintendo's reactions with other people.

You said you believed his claim. Believing his claim => believing he's a JOAT. I *utterly* fail to see how song or band names come into it. But, given that you believe his claim, and you believe his band claim, why would you even *mention* his song claim? Do you think his band claim and role claim are legit but his song claim isn't?

Flavor doesn't come into it. For further information, I said the band name seemed to gel, and I wasn't sure about the song names,

but that's for later discussion

. I'm only really focusing on the claim.

Never said you thought he was town. Said that you believe his claim, believe his band name, but still put suspicion on him on extremely minor points (like songs).

And once again, you completely misrepped me by saying that my mention of his song names = suspicion, when I explicitly said that it doesn't.

To be frank: bullshit.

You voted EPM in #607 based off of his relationship with nintendo. So obviously had looked at *that* interaction. Did you not bother to look at anyone else's during the Night?

You then unvote after the claim, doing the exact same thing to EPM that you were voting EPM for doing to nintendo.

Yes, but 1. We didn't have EPM's claim at that point, and 2. I didn't look at everyone's relationship with nintendo, which is what I want to do. And no, I didn't. Because I don't sit here and read through games during the night; I work and I have a life.

Also, that last sentence is a logical fallacy AND wrong. 1. I unvoted before Slaxx gave me the information that JOATs can use more than one ability a night.

2. EPM unvoting nintendo after his claim =/= me unvoting EPM after his claim. They were completely different scenarios. nintendo gave conflicting information about his roleclaim. EPM didn't. And he has evidence from the mod to back up his claim.

tl;dr: EPM's flavor helps, but is not the sole reason why I don't want him lynched today.
Song names may or may not be mainstream. That is yet to be confirmed and is the ONLY thing I said about song claims.
EPM's claim holds water; nintendo's was a contradiction.
I don't want EPM's lynch today. I will be looking at his play in the future and be basing my read off of him because of that.

Any other logical fallacies and reaching arguments you want me to disprove, Magua? Best to get it out of your system now.

[DemonHybrid]

Any other logical fallacies and reaching arguments you want me to disprove, Magua? Best to get it out of your system now.

Do you think I'm scum?

I'm not sure. I just ISO'd you and Nico. You nor Nico had any interaction with nintendo short of voting for him for his slip. You also seemed to be joking around pretty heavily and Nico was into the flavor speculation for a bit, so you're a bit on the scummy side. I work in an hour, though, and I don't plan to get into focusing on Nintendo's reactions until I'm back, so that's a placeholder for now.

Did you ask because I asked you the quoted above?

[DemonHybrid]

Here, I'll make it easy for you. I think you're scum. I really want you to hang. I find your fence-sitting to be incredibly scummy. I find your defenses to be AtE along with dirt throwing. I think that EPM is the mafia roleblocker, and you're incredibly scared he's going to get lynched and you're going to be up shit creek without a paddle.

AtE? Please point that out. Also, cool setup speculation.

Funny that you're a mind reader, too. I was just going to say, if you asked me because I asked you what I did, town tunneling can often cause misrepping, reaching statements and logical fallacies. It's the motivation that counts. Your motivation has comprised of pressing for information; however, it also comprised of avoiding speaking to nintendo (both you and Nico), setup speculation and joking around when replacing in.

You're definitely -scummy-. Rather, the scummy side of null. But I have yet to analyze (as stated for about the 10th time so far) nintendo's interactions, so that may change.

[DemonHybrid]

V/LA until Monday at 8 PM EDT

, but I'll be posting sporadically tonight/tomorrow night.

[DemonHybrid]

Well, I was going to wait until tomorrow to do this, but lets make things easier. If it's Regfan or me, how about neither?

Claim: Town Cop, Green Day. 21 Guns is my vote, Know Your Enemy is my investigate

Hiraki is innocent Night 1, but he died. Regfan is innocent Night 2. Magua is innocent Night 3.

Just for good measure...

I'll

believe EPM's claim for today, though he's by no means confirmed, as he could be a mafia JOAT, but I'm not for lynching him right now.

C

an't really bring myself to risk killing off a potential town JOAT; they're really powerful.

O

n the other hand, I'll be keeping an eye on him very heavily.

P

ersonally, though, I think the band claim gels....not sure about the song names, but I guess that's for future discussion.

EPM

should live today.

My other suspect is still gorilla. I need to check others' avoidance/tunneling of nintendo, so I'll be back with that later.

Too bad he already got lynched and flipped scum.

I'd appreciate if a doctor protected me, if there is one. Follow the cop, yea?

[DemonHybrid]

Also, I've never played as a cop, so if this is a premature claim, sorry. But I really don't think so. Shit is spiraling out of control, so lets contain it before it goes further.

No protecting role has been killed yet, so I suspect there's one still out there.

[DemonHybrid]

2. Gaoth
4. Gorilla
8. Diddin
13. c-worl
14. tarsonisocelot
15. Pine
16. scumhunter

2-3 of these people are the rest of the scum, unless I hit a godfather; but chesskid claimed miller, so there's not a good chance of that, I think.

Please look at reactions from these people from pressure by Magua, chesskid and Regfan.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: Gaoth

. You're like "nintendo did this and this and this and this. And it looks scummy.

NULL-TOWN READ!"

Fuck that.

"EPM isn't posting that much content.

STILL, TOTALLY TOWNIE!"

Fuck that.

[DemonHybrid]

Also, the more I think about it, the more I think we CAN play follow the cop in this scenario. Mafia had a roleblocker, possibly to counter town PR claims. A doctor's protect would have been wasted; classic doc-cop setup trap.

If I die tonight, all's well with the world, but any bonus investigate that we get would be awesome.

[DemonHybrid]

So, I want to make sure I understand.

- Regfan pushes for Nintendo's lynch D2. Nintendo gets lynched, flips scum. You investigate Regfan?
- Regfan, who you know is inno, pushes EPM's lynch D3. I push EPM's lynch D3. EPM gets lynched, flips scum. You investigate me?

That's seriously your story?

Yep. I wanted to make sure no one's getting away with calculated bussing.

Also, have you not realized that Regfan is one of the top candidates for a lynch today?

[DemonHybrid]

Basically, in my experience, the scum leading the lynch of another flipped scum are the hardest to make a case against; they're the ones that usually survive until endgame, and I wanted to prevent, if one of you guys were scum, taking advantage of nintendo's slip or EPM's iffy logic. I didn't post much to avoid getting NKed and I came out of Night 3 in an extremely bad-looking state. I just wanted to get rid of that shitstorm before it grew out of control.

Preview edit: Read the above. You don't ALWAYS have to investigate the scummy ones. In fact, it'd be a waste to do so. You'd out yourself AND waste an investigate to a lynch, or both. If the player flips town, there isn't much you can do. There's a lot more worth investigating the ones that seemed to be on top of the scum lynch pushing just in case it's scum in a competent townie's clothing.

[DemonHybrid]

*If the player shows up as town (like, in the night action return PM)

Sorry, words got jumbled up there.

[DemonHybrid]

As "obvtown" as Regfan was coming out of nintendo's lynch, 1. nintendo ultimately went down because of his fakeclaim, and 2. there weren't any other flips on the table other than Hiraki and Talapus.

I just wanted to check if the most vocal behind the lynch was town before he could use the lynch to build a defense if he was scum.

Preview edit: Sorry, I forgot to remove Pine.

How is Magua clear? And diddin is FAR from clear. Just because he has an ability that revives vanilla townies (and therefore would be REALLY EASY to clear him to town) doesn't make him confirmed town. You're a novice player if you believe that someone with a power like that is always town; there are roles that mods throw in to create WIFOM and lead people off. Godfather is one. Miller is another. If those exist, then diddin's role could be the same, correct?

Preview edit 2: You aren't listening. Scumhunter, Gaoth and Gorilla are potential suspects. I believed EPM's claim, especially after Slaxx confirmed JOATs being able to perform more than one action a night. That's not something EPM can cook up in an instant, and I thought that his claim would clear him, but I still wanted to be sure.

[DemonHybrid]

Since the cat is out of the bag I should get this out there so my affiliate(s) can get this info. Don't bother with Magua/Nicodemus slot, it is VT.

And you think that this clears Magua?

You're insulting nintendo. He isn't that fucking dumb.

[DemonHybrid]

Sure, Magua is cleared NOW, but at the time, I didn't think he would be that dumb. And he isn't. That statement certainly didn't clear him.

[DemonHybrid]

Yeah, I'm not going to bother arguing, if you're town you really have played an incredibly shit game. I'm going to do some re-reading, Magua this is yours to drive.

"Oh hey, an outed scum said plainly in the game thread that someone is a VT, and then flipped a scum rolecop! Yeah, that flipped scum is telling the truth!"

"Oh hey, instead of investigating someone who has been vocal behind a scum lynch and might be carefully calculating a bus, investigate someone who is bound to get lynched! That way, you can sit back and watch a confirmed innocent get lynched OR out your role! Sounds good to me!"

Doesn't that sound dumb? Because it's you.

[DemonHybrid]

I get fucking annoyed when people are so blind that they can't see their stupid arguments and instead resort to insulting the other player for doing the right thing. So congratulations, you pissed me off.

[DemonHybrid]

Since the cat is out of the bag I should get this out there so my affiliate(s) can get this info. Don't bother with Magua/Nicodemus slot, it is VT.

And you think that this clears Magua?

You're insulting nintendo. He isn't that fucking dumb.

So do you think I am or am not a VT? Yes or no, please, that's all I ask.

YES, you're a VT, but I'm saying that NINTENDO'S STATEMENT didn't clear you in the least.

[DemonHybrid]

If you read it in context it's incredibly obvious that he did it to give his partners information not to wifom, on top of that Magua pushed strongly on EPM who also flipped scum, there literally is zilch reasoning for checking him last night.

I can't believe that you can't see how wrong this statement is.

You stated you believed I was obvtown, the fact that there's a small chance I might be calculated bussing shouldn't make it optimal to check me, and no there's no way you would stand back and watch your confirmed innocent get lynched as you could easily claim and outting your role isn't that bad. There's multiple players in the pool of [Not obv town] and [Not getting lynched] which would have been good checks.

Someone who looks extremely town to everyone IS optimal for an investigate. If they end up turning up scum, then it's the most IMPORTANT action anyone could take! Jesus christ. Everyone else who is not obvtown and not getting lynched will be trialed in the future and therefore would waste an investigate.

@Magua: I'm confused at nintendo's actions, because I didn't think he is that dumb (and I expected everyone to think the same), and I still don't, but it was a stupid move. He's not a bad player and I didn't think he would plainly state your role and alignment for real.

[DemonHybrid]

@Magua: I'm confused at nintendo's actions, because I didn't think he is that dumb (and I expected everyone to think the same), and I still don't, but it was a stupid move. He's not a bad player and I didn't think he would plainly state your role and alignment for real.

What about claiming VT, and then claiming non-VT?

What about, upon being told about his role mixup, claiming mafia instead of the obvious "I did that to avoid getting NK'ed"?

A mistake, and a way to cut losses. If he was cutting losses, I saw no reason for him to do what he did. I thought it was WIFOM at the time and I was more focused on Regfan's position, but your push on EPM allowed me to explore it further.

@Regfan: You obviously don't get the fucking point. Maybe if you go read a few games where "obvtown" players end up being scum, then you'd change your mind. I can link a few for you right now.

[DemonHybrid]

Here, Regfan, do some fucking research.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16260

Read xRECK's spot.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16537

Read Bub's spot.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15614

Read LMP's spot.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... =1&t=15121

Read Lewarcher's spot.

IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. A COP IS MORE USEFUL IF HE MAKES SURE THE TOWNIE-LOOKING ONES ARE IN FACT TOWN.

[DemonHybrid]

A player is dangerous if he is scum and is viewed as obvtown by EVERYONE, but not confirmed.

And it's not even CLOSE to 10%. This happens ALL THE TIME. I personally pulled up 1/4 of the games that I lost (I have a 40% win rate).

There are a ton of games, with doing some browsing, which I'm not going to do just to drive a point home that you should have understood a while ago, that can be found that have the same scenario. Someone looks obvtown from the start, or someone becomes obvtown near the end and they end up just being an awesome scum player. The ones that people know nothing about, or don't have any feelings about WILL BE TRIALED. They will be questioned. And if they become obvtown to EVERYONE, they should be checked too. Yes, technically there's a less chance to catch scum by a little bit, but it's by FAR more important if you do catch them.

[DemonHybrid]

At least understand where the fuck I'm coming from instead of putting me down as a bad player. I like you, Regfan, but I'm fucking sick and tired of the elitist attitude from everyone on this site and you have to agree that I have a POINT, even if you don't agree with it.

[DemonHybrid]

I can agree that a player viewed as obvtown by everyone and is actually scum can be dangerous that's when you have to make a decision, re-read his posts, look at the information they have put foward evaluate what likelyhood you believe there is that he did indeed buss or not. You claim to have done all of this and believe I was town at the end of it yet still check me, that's the bit I can not understand.

What I felt doesn't matter. Everyone pretty much cleared you by logic by the end of Day 2 and I wanted to make sure.

Again, that's when you count on your reads, you reasses them. You could also check up their meta and you would have found I'm not a strong scum player.

You can't rely on meta. You can cite site statistics, but focusing a case on meta is a dangerous thing to do.

Not many players have been questioned or trialled, you certaintly haven't trialled anyone yourself, if you have then state your reads on the remaining players.

Because I'm sitting here arguing this bullshit with you. Though I will state my reads. There's more than enough information with two scumflips to do some analysis and come to an informed decision. We're big boys and I'd rather not use my PR to hold everyone's hand, but check the nook and crannies. Let me do some ISOing.

This comes back to; Town believe X is Town. You check X because there's a small chance he's good scum. You find out X is indeed Town, you have no new information to offer Town.

And if I find out X is scum?

HURRAY! Game loss avoided. Wouldn't that just be fucking awesome?

Preview edit: Then don't imply it. I've never played cop before, but I've seen games where the cop has been played. You guys are grown-ups and can do some analysis and weed out the rest of the scum, ESPECIALLY now that everyone KNOWS your clear and the doubt is gone.

Preview edit to Magua:



This is a fucking tunnel. It's what you're doing, and I know, because you started your post off with the words "selling an argument".

You don't look on both sides of the argument, and therefore you are failing at assessing motivation.

Also, you suspecting chesskid is absolute fucking fail. Start thinking.

[DemonHybrid]

2. Gaoth
4. Gorilla
8. Diddin
13. c-worl
14. tarsonisocelot
16. scumhunter

Redoing that list I had earlier since I forgot to take out Pine, my lynch pool is from these 6. I will be assessing interactions with both EPM and Nintendo, though from what I've seen of Gaoth's interactions, it's going to be hard to sway me from his death.

Be back soon.

[DemonHybrid]

Gaoth: What I said before.

Gorilla: BARELY mentions EPM, but implies that he thinks that he's town. Tunnels on NA1 quite heavily, but avoids NA1's D1 lynch in favor of the Talapus wagon.

diddin: Hops on the EPM wagon with no reasoning. This is also after he revived Pine and outed himself. He also wanted NA1's lynch, however. The claim is fucking null, stop saying that it clears him. I'll investigate him if you guys want, provided I live.

C-Worl: Ah, he has the fake Nintendo vote (To find out more about Chesskid). Doesn't take part of his wagon, though. Also, he hammers EPM with no justification.

tarsonis: Fuck what I said about her claim after EPM flipping scum and claiming Kings of Leon. I can see the Nintendo vote being a bus, and she mindlessly follows Regfan for Day 3.

Scumhunter: From what little meta I have of you, you love to bus. That's cool and all. You claim nintendo as being really obvtown earlier on, but then implore, nay, BEG slaxx to modkill NA1 when he claims scum. His vote on EPM is rather standard, however.

I think, in regards to interactions with NA1 and EPM, my scum reads are as follows, from most scummy to most town:

Gaoth
C-Worl
Diddin
Tarsonis
Scumhunter
Gorilla

Magua, by the way, why don't you believe a cop claim with a 1st post miller claim? The only way that makes sense is if you think both Chess and I are mafia together, which you do, but these interactions are REALLY bad.

Preview edit: Magua, I'm not saying that I suspect you. I'm saying that I think you're being dumb.

To be honest, it was mainly Slaxx's answer that cemented that in my mind. That was a REALLY quick-on-the-draw claim from him and believable support from Slaxx, by no fault of his own. However, like I said, I wanted to make sure he wasn't a scum JOAT provided he wasn't lying about his role (not his alignment).

Preview Edit: Everyone who says my cop play is bad for not submitting to good scum and/or says that Magua was 100% confirmed town from NA1's statement is fucking stupid and a bad player.

YOU GUYS SHOULD BE RELYING ON LOGIC. GAMES ARE RARELY WON ON PRs. THEY ARE THERE TO SUPPORT, AND MY WAY TO SUPPORT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE OBVTOWN ARE NOT FUCKING WITH US.

I'm going to stop posting before I punch my screen. You guys are making me want to quit playing mafia.

[DemonHybrid]

Also, lynching Regfan today is terribad. If he even IS a godfather, that should wait until endgame. When you have a reduced pool of people to lynch from, you assess those people.

[DemonHybrid]

Seriously, grow up, put on your fucking big boy pants, and accept the support. You have 4 confirmed town in this game now. I'm NOT here to find out innocents on people who are getting lynched the day after and be an ineffective cop.

[DemonHybrid]

Seriously, grow up, put on your fucking big boy pants, and accept the support. You have 4 confirmed town in this game now. I'm NOT here to find out innocents on people who are getting lynched the day after and be an ineffective cop.

Look, I'm not going to continue discussing this create a thread in MD after the game attain peoples opinions then, for now what's your thoughts on mass-claiming?

Bad, at least until I die. If there's a protective role, I don't want it outed.

[DemonHybrid]

Regfan, I don't know how many times I have to make it clear to you and your sole remaining mafia partner. I am a protective power role. I gave mafia that information ages ago. The fact they continue to not act on it is truly truly baffling,

Jesus, if I had read this, I would have never claimed.

Welp, thanks for bringing it to everyone's attention again. I missed it and the mafia probably did too.

Preview edit:

Why not WAIT? If I don't die, I get more investigations. If I die, it's proven. It's a win-sorta win. Why do we need to out any other potential PRs?

And just in case you ARE a godfather, or chesskid has balls and IS mafia (which I really highly doubt), or Pine came back as something DIFFERENT (again, I highly doubt it), I'd rather get as many investigations as possible.

[DemonHybrid]

Any cop counterclaims would = one dead cop and one dead scum (or one dead townie blacklisted player). So if you're looking for that, I doubt you're going to find it.

Magua can be stubborn and leave his vote to rot on me. He's just wasting his vote.

Speaking of which: Magua, like I said, I either die or get more investigations. Scumhunter should be on me. If he dies, you know that scum is on the right track to killing me; meanwhile, we lynch from the people not confirmed or highly likely to be town (chesskid). So why not wait and see?

[DemonHybrid]

Whatever. Go for it. At least I'll have one night.

[DemonHybrid]

It seems that every fucking game I play, I get fucking pissed on for doing what I think is logical.

This'll be my last mafia game, fuck it. I'm sick of being called dumb.

[DemonHybrid]

Yeah, because I posted something relevant to this game just now, you ass.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm talking about being called dumb constantly in every game of mafia that I play. It wasn't a game-relevant defense. It was me being fucking angry.

[DemonHybrid]

I wasn't the one that threw the first stone here. I was called dumb. I said you're -being- dumb. You're saying "Well, you're a hypocrite". This whole game just pisses me the fuck off.

Maybe we can step the fuck off with the intelligence insulting and focus on mafia.

[DemonHybrid]

And by the way, I very personally take being called "bad" or "bad/awful play" on the same level as "dumb"; I equate them the same. I work very hard on my mafia games and I spend a lot of time on them and I don't appreciate having that pissed on. I have a method to EVERYTHING that I do. I don't THROW AWAY investigations and I'm certainly apply reasoning to EVERYTHING that I do. NA1 looked like he set you up. Regfan was too trusted. So I investigated both of you. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp and understand. To have it put down as an implied "you put no thought behind what you do" is offensive.

@Pine:

You're not looking for innocent or guilty when you're a cop. You're looking at the future of the town. You don't want someone who is easily manipulated and/or has a difficult time getting reads to be confirmed town. They have a very high chance of blowing it, of mislynching when the time comes for them to step up and give their insight as confirmed town. (Or, worse, they don't step up at all and remain weak, effectively wasting their potential.)

You realize that that's exactly what I'm doing, at least in a modified, contextual way, right?

Regfan and Magua are competent players. Regfan was a town read but I wanted to make sure, Magua was viewed as town and is competent but the EPM pushing and NA1's "WIFOM" prompted those investigations.

Yeah, they were town reads, but there's a LOT of shit going on in this game which prompted me to question whether or not they were stringing us along.

[DemonHybrid]

So if you could kindly show me the same courtesy in return, that'd be great.

Sorry; I'm just grouping all of the hate into one giant entity here and didn't mean to hit you with some of the return hostility. Yeah, I know there's a difference between scummy and dumb. Just don't imply it, please.

If Gaoth is scum, C-Worl would be the most likely buddy. Gaoth also throws a lot of reasoning towards C-Worl for being scum, but leaves it at a null-scum read. There's a lot of middle ground that he's leaving his suspicions on and I'm not liking it.

[DemonHybrid]

I'd like for him to comment on the situation. He hasn't posted since D2.

[DemonHybrid]

Who is Skyquiem? Some hydra?

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

I believe the claim of Gaoth's. His play makes sense, though he was a victim of being wrong with his reads and looking scummy because of it. Apologies.

I will be looking at the remaining five (diddin, gorilla, C-Worl, Scumhunter and Tarsonis).

[DemonHybrid]

Scumhunter and Tarsonis would be an interesting pair. Lets check for interactions.

Tarsonis: Calls SH a troll. Twice. Leaves him on probable scum and never mentions him again.
Scumhunter: DOESN'T MENTION HER AT ALL.

I'll wait till Tarson, C-Worl and SH's claims are on the table before I vote.

[DemonHybrid]

Its prob Tarson + gorilla tbh. Regfan could still be godfather though.

Wow.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: Tarson

, though I'd vote both Tarson and SH if I could.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm going to be investigating diddin unless there are any major arguments against it. It's obvious that tarson and SH have just staged that argument.

[DemonHybrid]

Um.

[DemonHybrid]

Why the FUCK would you vote yourself then, idiot?

[DemonHybrid]

I don't believe this claim. It just HAPPENED to be Regfan and Magua, the confirmed innos, right? And it also HAPPENED to be 2-shot to counter my dud investigate on Hiraki, right? And you just HAPPENED to go back and forth between VT and this role 15 times, right? And you VOTED YOURSELF WITH THE LIFE OF TWO TOWNIES IN YOUR HANDS?

This is such fucking bullshit.

[DemonHybrid]

Scumhunter's play this game has been the most anti-town I've ever seen in a game of mafia if all of this were true and I'm going to be blacklisting him not only from games I join, but from my modded games and I'll refuse to even fucking talk to him around the site.

[DemonHybrid]

DH, Scumhunter is town, he picked Magua and me because we play on an alternate site with him and he enjoys trolling and pissing us of.

PLEASE
PLEASE

Don't piss me of right now.

Why are you so quick to believe his claim? That role isn't even on the wiki list of roles.

This is a Theme game. TECHNICALLY, it could be true.

God, Scumhunter and this game in general fucking pisses me off.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm about to replace out in a minute. This shit is stupid and I'm blacklisting you regardless, SH.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

@SH: I have a headache now. Good going, you shit.

And don't you

FUCKING DARE

say that my investigate choices are worse than your supposed "picks".

[DemonHybrid]

You're a dumbass.

I'm spending the rest of my time in this game insulting you in every post because you deserve it. "I picked Magua just because" =/= "I investigated Magua because I wasn't sure if NA1 was WIFOMing and he was pretty hardcore behind the EPM lynch".

Preview edit: Never mind.

Vote: tarsonis

I distrust the shit out of you. Don't tell me who to investigate.

[DemonHybrid]

And yes, I know, C-Worl. I wasn't sure where the fuck my vote should go.

Preview edit: Oh goddammit, if you modkill him and he turns up correct and kills 3 townies, I swear to god.

[DemonHybrid]

And yes, I know, C-Worl. I wasn't sure where the fuck my vote should go.

Preview edit: Oh goddammit, if you modkill him and he turns up correct and kills 3 townies, I swear to god.

Modkill turns him into neutral survivor so I'm pretty sure even if he was what he claimed that ModSlaxx wouldn't kill two players just bc SH was being a shithead.

That's totally up for debate in this situation.

By the way, enjoy your blacklist, SH, you terrible fucking player.

[DemonHybrid]

I will.

[DemonHybrid]

C-Worl is innocent.

At the gym, sorry for the delay.

Vote: Tarson

[DemonHybrid]

For the record, I want Scumhunter to know that he's never allowed to play in any of my modded games and I suggest everyone else to do the same.

[DemonHybrid]

Oh. It looks like you broke a site-wide rule. Good, because it removes the effort of having to tell everyone about this game and how bad of a player you are.

[DemonHybrid]

Anyway, back to the game. Tarson and then a gorilla lynch. I'm going to be investigating diddin, but I expect to die unless Pine does; I'll give my report if that's the case.

[DemonHybrid]

Don't worry about that.

[DemonHybrid]

Feel free to report my post and explain that SH removed his.

[DemonHybrid]

Actually, don't worry. I PMed mith.

[DemonHybrid]

You still posting obviously shows that you DON'T respect the integrity of the game.

[DemonHybrid]

Anyway, back to the game. Tarson and then a gorilla lynch. I'm going to be investigating diddin, but I expect to die unless Pine does; I'll give my report if that's the case.

Let's get back to what's really important. There are people dead and obviously very bad people are running around killing. Those people are called Mafia and they should die.

[DemonHybrid]

You want to lynch chesskid, first post claimed miller with a cop?

[DemonHybrid]

Tarson and then a gorilla lynch. It'll be okay.

Though I question why I shouldn't investigate diddin when gorilla is being lynched the next day anyway. diddin could very well be mafia with a WIFOMable ability.

[DemonHybrid]

I mean, goddamn. Here's what I'm not getting about your POV: You're all "diddin could be a *scum* 1-shot reviver, I need to check!", but on the other hand, you're all "chesskid claimed miller, so he must be town".

Because that's some pretty solid psychic work from chesskid just guessing that there would be a cop in this setup. I've never seen scum have the balls to fake a miller in their first post and it just gels together real nicely. Look at it through my eyes; I'm a freakin cop.

Also, I assume that you're going to leave diddin until later, when it gets dangerously close to LyLo. If we're lynching gorilla and tarson along the way, then why not get the more dangerous person clear? I'm thinking for the future; don't think for the present.

If the LyLo ends up Regfan/Magua-diddin-Chesskid, then that's a big problem. If it's Regfan-Magua-Chesskid, then sure, lynch Chesskid and I'll praise Chess and ask him to become a fortune teller.

Can't you see that I want MyLo/LyLo to be way less dangerous than it is already?

Anyway, come to the tarson wagon if gorilla is who you're going to kill along the way. The investigate wont matter if it's on gorilla; it WILL if it's on diddin. We already know that we're going to get a guilty from chesskid so there's pretty much only one good choice in the matter here.

[DemonHybrid]

Also, I'm not even going to bother even processing a godfather at the moment, so save that for later.

So we have:

Chesskid3 (claimed miller)
Gorilla (claimed VT)
Magua (investigated town)
Diddin (claimed vanilla reviver)
DH (cop)
Regfan (investigated town)
C-Worl (investigated town)
Tarson (claimed VT)
Pine (confirmed VT)

Assume 4 scum. Lets go through worst case scenarios. We lynch tarson and she turns up town. I die.

That brings it to

Chesskid3 (claimed miller)
Gorilla (claimed VT)
Magua (investigated town)
Diddin (claimed vanilla reviver)
Regfan (investigated town)
C-Worl (investigated town)
Pine (confirmed VT)

Assume a godfather from the 3 investigated town at this point. One scum in: Magua, Regfan, C-Worl. One scum in: diddin, Gorilla, chesskid. Pine is confirmed town. Would be a shit move to design an alignment changing revived role.

So lets assume we lynch gorilla. He turns up town. Pine dies.

Chesskid3 (claimed miller)
Magua (investigated town)
Diddin (claimed vanilla reviver)
Regfan (investigated town)
C-Worl (investigated town)

You have a 50% or 100% chance lynching from diddin or Chesskid. You have a 33% chance lynching from the other 3 if the former is 50%.

diddin should then die. Lets assume he flips scum.

Lets pick from random from the 3. Magua dies and flips VT.

Chesskid3 (claimed miller)
Regfan (investigated town)
C-Worl (investigated town)

I would assume godfather from this. This is only IF gorilla AND tarson turn up town. Otherwise, you're going to hit scum along the way.

I've effectively done my job in an outcome like this and you guys just need to stay on track.

[DemonHybrid]

With Chesskid, I'd just be absolutely shocked if he bitchslapped us with a fake miller claim. It's just really tough to believe that it's faked. However, I highly doubt that it'll get to that specific 3 person LyLo. So that's WORST case scenario.

If we can rule out:

-Two godfathers
-Shitty Alignment-Changing Reviver

Then that's the worst case scenario here. At that point, you have to decide whether chess stole the DeLorean and traveled a year in the future to read this thread (basically, he's brilliant) or whether there's a Godfather, and who the likely son-of-a-bitch is. But there are good odds that this will not be the case.

[DemonHybrid]

See, when things are neatly organized and put into pretty little mathematical piles, things don't really look that bad. Cheers.

[DemonHybrid]

...possibly.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

[DemonHybrid]

Emerald City had a godfather.

Vote: Chesskid

[DemonHybrid]

This should more or less confirm the existence of a godfather, which would help us out MASSIVELY. Like a great fucking deal.

If diddin is town, this makes more sense.

[DemonHybrid]

No way.

Seriously?! Get the fuck out of here.

[DemonHybrid]

Everyone should be behind this lynch. There is literally no excuse to not be.

Chesskid, you really are an awesome player if you happen to be scum.

[DemonHybrid]

This should more or less confirm the existence of a godfather, which would help us out MASSIVELY. Like a great fucking deal.

Er.

Er.

Not following.

I mean, I like the chesskid lynch. That part's fine. But how does chesskid flipping scum *or* miller confirm the existence of a godfather, and, perhaps more apropos, how does the confirmed existence of a godfather help us out massively?

Because if CK flips miller, we can expect no godfather and everyone that was investigated will be clear.

If CK flips godfather, we solved a shitload of problems.

If CK flips other scum, discount the fuck out of my reads and play with analysis to find the last scum. You'd be in a probable 7:1.

[DemonHybrid]

No. No. No.

We're lynching gorilla or Tarson. There's no need to deviate from the plan when we're already lined up scum.

Chesskid flipping miller changes nothing there'd still be a possible GF in the setup and we'd be done a msylnch

But it tells us a whole lot more. I think there has been a lot of vocal doubt of a miller AND a godfather.

[DemonHybrid]

Even if CK WAS a miller and there's no godfather, it clears up a TON of doubt instead of getting rid of gorilla and tarson first and THEN finding out that something weird is going on.

Preview edit: Regfan, what if he turns up scum?

Did you miss the self-vote?

[DemonHybrid]

I'm waiting for votals but I'm really hesitant to lynch Chess. Claiming Miller D1 as scum is very ballsy. What if there is no cop?

There is.

You'll find out tomorrow if scum has any brain whatsoever. Unless they want EVERYONE investigated before I get lynched, they'll kill me tonight.

Preview edit: Because he, like me, realizes that this is inevitable.

Please see that this reveals a LOT.

[DemonHybrid]

The only thing it reveals is if he's mafia or not.

That's the same fucking thing as any other lynch.

Do you agree that chess COULD be scum fakeclaiming miller because he (low chance, as Magua stated) is the Godfather, or he is scum with his buddy as a godfather?

If you say yes to that, could you agree that getting rid of that doubt now, while we're in a likely 7:2, would be the most useful thing?

Yes, it doesn't tell us that we have a godfather 100%. But it's not that likely, with a cop in the setup, that chess would just claim miller as scum and have there be a cop in the setup. Something is going on.

[DemonHybrid]

Also, claiming miller as godfather is a surprisingly good play. This playerlist is competent and no competent cop would investigate someone who says they will turn up guilty regardless.

[DemonHybrid]

Regfan. I'm not liking your resistance to this.

We're getting rid of doubt. MAJOR doubt. Tarson has it RIGHT ON. WHY wouldn't you want this?

Preview edit: 0% chance in investigating that player; if town every comes upon godfather speculation, the one that claimed miller would be not as likely to be suspected as godfather.

It's an odd twist to playing godfather, but I CAN see it happen. I'm not seeing it here; though it's a possibility.

[DemonHybrid]

Regfan. I'm not liking your resistance to this.

We're getting rid of doubt. MAJOR doubt. Tarson has it RIGHT ON. WHY wouldn't you want this?

Preview edit: 0% chance in investigating that player; if town every comes upon godfather speculation, the one that claimed miller would be not as likely to be suspected as godfather.

It's an odd twist to playing godfather, but I CAN see it happen. I'm not seeing it here; though it's a possibility.

[DemonHybrid]

To everyone who's resistant to this lynch: I know it's weird, but we're not going to mindlessly lynch through 3 players without making sure that there isn't an elaborate setup going on here.

[DemonHybrid]

2: Chesskid flips goon. What do we learn? That there's a godfather in the game, what does that mean? Our innocents aren't 100% clear. What does that also mean? It means that one of Magua/Regfan/C-Worl/Gorilla/Tarsons is scum.

This isn't important to you? You'd rather be in a blissful, fake world where innocents are innocents when you believe them? Have you ever read The Giver?

Why would a godfather, who investigates as *innocent*, claim miller, who investigates as *guilty*?

Even with the argument, "Who'd investigate a miller?", you're throwing away the advantage of the godfather (they investigate as *innocent*) and keeping a partner from the advantage of claiming miller (cop won't investigate them).

Chesskid is not a godfather. That's pants-on-head. You have a goon claim miller, because it keeps the cop investigation off of them, and makes it more likely that the cop investigation will *hit* a godfather.

Right. I'm not saying it's likely. It's a possibility that really doesn't change anything. It'd be a bonus at best.

[DemonHybrid]

No, not to sound cruel at all. But I don't give two shits about your reports, any of them. Magua is town I don't need a report to prove that, it's something that was incredibly obvious before you even claimed the report on him and I don't completly buy the innocent on C-Worl (As in I can see him being GF).

...and you wouldn't like to confirm any of this?

This is mind boggling. How is confirming a likely godfather NOT important instead of just sitting there and lynching through half the playerlist?

[DemonHybrid]

DH, I have a few questions for you. Answer yes or no to each one.

With an addendum to each one, because this game is about answering with detail.

Do you believe Magua is mafia?

Not at the moment.

Do you believe I'm mafia?

Yes if chesskid flips scum. No if he doesn't.

Do you believe Gorilla is mafia?

No if chesskid flips scum. Yes if he doesn't.

Do you believe Tarson is mafia?

No.

Do you believe Pine is mafia?

What the hell? No.

Do you believe Diddin is mafia?

No if chesskid flips scum. Yes if he doesn't.

Do you believe C-Worl is mafia?

No.

What was the point of those?

[DemonHybrid]

And why didn't you ask me if I thought chesskid was scum?

[DemonHybrid]

Is that what you want to do?

Will you guys fucking get your act together if we lynch gorilla by lynching chesskid tomorrow if gorilla flips scum then?

[DemonHybrid]

*flips town

Sorry, I'm a bit frustrated.

[DemonHybrid]

Fine.

Unvote, Vote: gorilla

If chesskid and Regfan are scum and the game ends with a scum victory, I will be so furious.

[DemonHybrid]

I want everyone else to give me that promise too. Like, at least CONSIDER a CK lynch tomorrow. Consider it.

[DemonHybrid]

I will investigate tarson as well. diddin is not the worst of our problems at the moment.

[DemonHybrid]

Yes.

I'm alright with diddin being town, because I'm still sold on CK.

[DemonHybrid]

diddin, you cool with the CK situation?

[DemonHybrid]

It's fine. As long as he agrees with what's going on.

[DemonHybrid]

Alright.....




alright, then we're all cool


WE ALL COO

[DemonHybrid]

Derp.

[DemonHybrid]

Probably has something to do with the fact that you aren't a dayvig.

Scumhunter, if you'd like to insult me publicly for winning the game for the town and not any neutral survivors, now's the time. I'm not sure why mith didn't ban you yet for what you posted.

[DemonHybrid]

Good game all, MVP is Regfan for getting shit on track.

EPM, nintendo, gorilla and tarson all played a good game too.

[DemonHybrid]

Well, not counting the chesskid-could-be-mafia mindfuck, it DID clear the 3 of you and made it MUCH easier to trust you and Magua.

[DemonHybrid]

Hybrid...even as the reviewer of the set-up knowing there was a cop I did a bit of a double take at the investigative choice of Magua :p


Game looked good, modkill was...tricky, unfortunate, but what can you do? Not a wrong decision, although town might have been punished more by the lynch, eh.

Yeh.

Well, look at things through my eyes. Guy gets caught lying about his claim. He yells out "YO, MAGUA IS A VT, SCUMBUDDIES" and dies as a rolecop.

Yeah, didn't look that convincing to me. Nintendo's action thrived on the WIFOM which triggered me to investigate him.

[DemonHybrid]

But hey, did we not lynch gorilla, tarson and SH regardless? Kinda worked out how I originally planned it. Tarson literally took a phallus-shaped knife and fucked my brain with it near the end though, so that was kinda shitty for me =(

[DemonHybrid]

Also, chesskid is a great player. His reads are, for the most part, pretty on in every game I play with him, and he's a competent scum player; go check 90's mafia. He doesn't deserve the hate he gets.

[DemonHybrid]

I think Magua was just super paranoid. He stopped himself before things got way out of hand, so kudos to him for that.

[DemonHybrid]

The only thing that made me go "uhhhh CK?" was the fact that you self-voted after I voted you. Really looked like a guilt admission.

[DemonHybrid]

I pre-inned, right? I think I told you I wanted in.

[DemonHybrid]

Magua, since I'm such a troll and all you should be grateful I didn't really have a 2-shot ability. I did legit think Regfan was scum after d1. I should have waited longer to pull the trigger on my ability though, but hell self-control is mighty hard for me especially with that type of role. I'm just glad town won. I had my biggest lols in quite some time when DH was freaking out about how my "charmer" picks were omg so much worse than his cop checks when they were on the same obv town as he fail fail checked. Seriously funny stuff. And sad at the same time. If I ever see Magua in a game I will likely be shooting him N1.

I lol'd.

[DemonHybrid]

I think the modkill was perfectly acceptable. A self-vote with that power in his hands was enough.