Mini 1175: Iowa Mafia (Game Over!)

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Vote: Greymarble

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE

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Also, just FYI - this account is a hydra.

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Reading the rules says no editing.

Why'd you feel the need to edit, GreyMarble?

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you know i might just take you up on that self dayvig, greymarble

as for who the scum are, we have already stated: you.

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SCUMTELL DETECTED: Appeal to being the newbie

RESPONSE: Terminate

Unvote, Vote: monk

Hey guys. Nice to see you, to see you nice.[/forsyth]

Also, just FYI - this account is a hydra.

of who?

HMM HMMMMMM HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, well don't you just wish you knew?

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VOTE: Monk

Three votes on the first page. Pressure needs applied here.

I don't like this post.

Why do we need more pressure when there's already 3 votes from the first page?

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bgg+kondi2424

TWO FOR ONE SPECIAL

Unvote:
Vote: Bgg

Here's the rest of the game reads:

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THE COUNCIL

GreyMarble
ZachRulez
Final Destination

We three will have an epic LyLo. If either of you is scum you have to promise NOT to kill the others on the council, or else be held to the meta of a lying an immoral scumbag for the rest of our games here on this site. If all of us are town the scum have to eliminate us one by one before we destroy this game.

Now the REST of you peons will have to fight over who will be lynched, and the council will make the final 3 voting bloc hammer.

Fight amongst yourselves.

Here are my reads as they are vague and imperfect:
THE TOWNIES:
Peaf- I'm from GameFaQs WHEEEEEEEEEE PEAFJOURNALTIME Where's Baku and Speed at? ;_; Towntell
hiplop-IM LOST AMID AND DONT KNOW ANYTHIN BUT MY OWN ASS Towntell
TwistedSpoon-I found a scumtell I SWEAR guiz! Towntell
Akira-Im L and I will find you KIRA Towntell
Bgg-MY ROLE PM SAYS DIS Towntell
earworm-I'm over here jsut chillin yo Towntell
kondi2424-I'm mislynch fodder and going to be worthless all game Towntell

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Unvote:

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SCUM
Monk-Claiming scum first post because I can Scumtell
Archaist-I'll post when I feel like it de temps en temps Scumtell
Mikemike-I point out things of no real importance UNDER THE RADAR PLZ Scumtell

Vote: Monk

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Ahhh the scum have claimed already.

Council?

You agree to execute this monk today?

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Add in:

The I'll vote Fate because I think I can get away with it newbscumtell

and the

But Peaf is being newbscum too please dont hurt me

and the

Your reads are way off, I know because Im scum


Scumtells to monk's list.

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Dance peons dance.

If one of them is scum I will know when the lime comes. They are not both scum.

Especially since Peaf and Monk are both scum.

Bgg and Hiplop are two town peons fighting. Bgg would do best to vote Monk and Peaf another time.

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Vote: bgg1996
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Monk saying that I've newbscum'd as much as he has is, in my eyes, him admitting that he's newbscum. LOL @ him thinking a player can't change what he thinks of other players, though.

You never were good at being scum, Peaf.

And here you are saying outlandish things that TownPeaf would never say, like I'm scum forming a 3 man alliance with all my scumbuddies in thread.

Tsk tsk tsk.

You should've just bussed Monk.

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They aren't my most pro-town reads so far.

They are members of the council due to meta and their experience.

*shrug* Tough luck. Though my holistic reads tell me its impossible for BOTH of them to be scum.

I'm setting up lynches because unless there's a doc with his head out of his ass, I AM dying N1. So you fucks need your guidance and you need it TODAY.

Monk -> Peaf.

Guaranteed.

Monk's latest scumtells:
Fate is being anti-town as fuck, but not scummy, because I know hes town... Scumtell
I agree with your theory Zachtown, but I am upset that FD set it up and I want to break apart an all town voting bloc ASAP Scumtell


Other tells:
Earworm-I have town reads because Im actually scumhunting Towntell
bgg-I am reading for conviction and tone, not trying to kill people Towntell

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You'll all thank me when the game's over, btw.

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That reminds me.

Zach your response to being part of the council is very disheartening.

"oh look at me MD theory talk"

Ok, but uh, YOURE being part of the Bloc in THIS game. And what are your thoughts on that?

Also scum grouping their entire team into a voting bloc would be a very all or nothing type play.

Uhh... this is a weird thing to say. You DO know I'm not scum with you right?

Mmmmm.


Maybe just me and GreyMarble for this alliance...

TRYOUTS FOR A THIRD MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL

GREY AND I WILL DECIDE WHO IS THE TOWNIEST PEON AND PROMOTE YOU TO THE COUNCIL LEVEL.

LET THE BATTLE ROYALE COMMENCE

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Everyone bitching about the council is just whining because they AREN'T ON IT. If you wanna be cool, you must earn your way by catching scum.

Oh, and you're pushing your council way too hard.

Unvote
Vote: Final Destination

Tsk tsk, this kind of behavior won't be tolerated. Time out for you.

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Also, half of Zach's posts in this game have nothing to do with the game.

Reminds me of that OTHER GAME where we were scumbuddies, REMEMBER ZACH?

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You're clearly just trying to buddy with people. When Zach seemed indifferent you basically said, "oh you don't want to buddy with me, you're out!"

Voting blocs can be very powerful if the people in them can read each other as town reliably.

Also scum grouping their entire team into a voting bloc would be a very all or nothing type play.

Actually, he isn't indifferent at all. He gives us two reasons why it was a good idea. We became skeptical because all he did was talk MD theory instead of providing actual reads.

I don't know what you're trying to pull

If you don't know what it is then how can you call it scummy?

maybe you're intentionally demeaning to try to get people riled up and emotional or something. Nice try.

Ironically, if this was the case, it would be working best on you, of all people.

Next wave of bad arguments, please.

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Heh. Monk is a fine lynch, and we approve. Akira is climbing his way up there though, he's lost his townpoints from before.

Newest Tell:
Akira-I don't like YOUR reads but I don't have any of my own, I'll make a guy get an avatar LOLTell
Archaist-I'm a moron and my reads are but, but I BELIEVE in them Towntell
Zachrulez-I saw the LOLTell first and called him out on it SlightTowntell

(Zach has been added to the list of reads until he fights his way back into the council)


Grey, who is your current nominee for the council?
I'll nominate one, and then we can argue over which one is townier.

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We're not signing our posts this game, Twisted.

We are one entity, one mind, one scum-destroying force.

We will stand united and crush evil.

And scum will be kept off guard not knowing which way is up or what angle they can approach us from.

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Unvote:
Vote: Peaf

He's gone and done it.

Townpoints for whoever dissects his post and finds any ACTUAL evidence of scumhunting.

. I can tell from the fact that you think I'm scum right now that you're one of the lesser players from GFAX

(probably why you came here tbqh)

He's insulted our site. All as some grandiose reasoning to discredit an all town council.

Because sure, Town can't be 100% sure of anyone's alignments, but that's no reasons you can't trust town reads.

Town trusting eachother and banding together wins games.

Scum are afraid of that.

Scum like Peaf.

Very afraid.

And he's still unwilling to bus Monk.

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K that was useful

Unvote:
Vote: Monk

Peaf says that Monk admitting he was newbscum, but he's still THIRD on his voting list?

I want him dead just for that, but I suppose I'll need Monk's scumflip first.

I'm not asking anyone to trust me. I'm asking Grey to form a council with me and we're electing a third member who is very likely town.

The rest of you will have to decide whether you read the council as town or not, and what you're going to do about it. At the very most, the rest of you should scumhunt with the realization you wouldn't be able to get Grey or I lynched today.

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And if you really can't think of a single reason for town to trust each other D1 150 posts in then you've fallen a long way Peaf.

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ISO #4, ISO #5, ISO #6.

Turn off the OMGUS, last wagon was a useful one, this crusade you'll have to carry the banner alone.

This is why I unvoted you.

The Council did not approve.

Don't flatter yourself Peaf.

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How do you know monk is third of my voting list? I never said anything of the sort. Don't assume to be in my head, because you're not.

Hmmmm well I AM a mindreader.

As for your preferred lynches, I'd rather lynch Akira over monk right now, but of course I'd rather lynch bgg.

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@Peaf - That was a Peafjournal? Very overhyped - I was expecting a lot more. Also, who is in this hydra can be deduced with, like, two minutes of research, so whining about that is LOL.

@Akira - Council-Gate is old news right now. READS, PL0X.

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Considering that peaf is the only one who doesn't have an avatar his posts are just as easy to make out as anyone else's, that's my thoughts on that, the fact that both Akira and bgg are still making a deal out of it is a bit sus. i do agree with Akira that there are a few town reads and null else. There are still warning lights going off about bgg and the more I read FD's posts the more I think, yes he is just a bit mad for a hydra but he's overly town.

VOTE: bgg1996

"Oh damn, people are reading FD as town so I can't push that anymore. Guess I'll craphop onto this counter-wagon so I don't get lynched! Btw, I won't mention my read on Peaf's posts just the fact he doesn't have an avatar"

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Final Destination - Crazy, but wanting to form a council does seem to be a town thing to do, not too sure what to think.

In other words, you can't call us town because it legitimizes our attacks on you, but you can't call us scum because we clearly aren't, so FENCE SIT.

could be wrong
...
not too sure what to think.
...
so I guess for the moment he's a null read
...
not enough to go on.
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I'm not sure what to think

...and yeah, I don't really know what my reads on anyone else are either, so I guess I'll just FENCE SIT EVERYWHERE.

Seriously, even the "scumreads" are like, "well there's sort of this, but also that, so I guess it's this, I could be wrong wait what am i even talking about."

And then like 4 posts later you post an entirely new list that is a total non sequitur from the first. For example, how does this:

Archaist - looks a bit all over the shop

Suddenly go to this

Archaist - Town

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We didn't notice the mason soft claim, but it is NOT in town's best interest for the other one to claim today.

Agreed, Council?

If Monk is a mason he's not the lynch today, which means its ON to the next one.

Unvote:
Vote: Archaist

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THE COUNCIL

GreyMarble
ZachRulez
Final Destination

We three will have an epic LyLo. If either of you is scum you have to promise NOT to kill the others on the council, or else be held to the meta of a lying an immoral scumbag for the rest of our games here on this site. If all of us are town the scum have to eliminate us one by one before we destroy this game.

Now the REST of you peons will have to fight over who will be lynched, and the council will make the final 3 voting bloc hammer.

Fight amongst yourselves.

Here are my reads as they are vague and imperfect:
THE TOWNIES:
Peaf- I'm from GameFaQs WHEEEEEEEEEE PEAFJOURNALTIME Where's Baku and Speed at? ;_; Towntell
hiplop-IM LOST AMID AND DONT KNOW ANYTHIN BUT MY OWN ASS Towntell
TwistedSpoon-I found a scumtell I SWEAR guiz! Towntell
Akira-Im L and I will find you KIRA Towntell
Bgg-MY ROLE PM SAYS DIS Towntell
earworm-I'm over here jsut chillin yo Towntell
kondi2424-I'm mislynch fodder and going to be worthless all game Towntell

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Monk-Claiming scum first post because I can Scumtell

Masons are basically Scum Towntell

SCUM
Archaist-I'll post when I feel like it de temps en temps Scumtell
Mikemike-I point out things of no real importance UNDER THE RADAR PLZ Scumtell

Vote: Monk

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Oh I forgot Empking replaced in.

Time to update the whole thing then

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THE TOWNIES:
Peaf- I'm a snarky ass WHAT YOU AFRAID OF ME SON? Slight Towntell
hiplop-IM LOST AMID AND DONT KNOW ANYTHIN BUT MY OWN ASS Towntell
TwistedSpoon-I found a scumtell I SWEAR guiz! Towntell
Akira-Im L and I will find you KIRA Towntell
Bgg-MY ROLE PM SAYS DIS Towntell
earworm-I'm over here jsut chillin yo Towntell

kondi2424-I'm mislynch fodder and going to be worthless all game Towntell

Empking-I replaced into a town slot and have decent fuckin reads Towntell

Monk-Claiming scum first post because I can Scumtell Masons are basically Scum Towntell

SCUM
Archaist-I'll post when I feel like it de temps en temps Scumtell
Mikemike-I point out things of no real importance UNDER THE RADAR PLZ Scumtell
Peaf-Arguing with Fate hydra slightscumtell

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Archaist is town bro

bgg is a nicer wagon

There can't be TWO sets of masons in this game.

I am not satisfied with Archaist's posts this game.

Why are you?

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The sky is blue.

You going to play this game Zach?

I'm ashamed I considered you for the Council in the first place, you're not even trying.

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THE TOWNIES:
Peaf- I'm a snarky ass WHAT YOU AFRAID OF ME SON? Slight Towntell
SCUM
Peaf-Arguing with Fate hydra slightscumtell

?

OH LOOK A SLIGHT TOWNTELL AND A SLIGHT SCUMTELL

I WONDER WHAT THEY CALL THAT? NEUTRAL READ? UNSURE?

HMMMMMMMMM

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The sky is blue.

You going to play this game Zach?

I'm ashamed I considered you for the Council in the first place, you're not even trying.

Boo hoo.

K WELL WE KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ZACH

EARWORM, GREY, LETS GO.

EMPKING YOU TOO

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That's all I was asking for.

Yeah I DONT like how you're playing. And if we're both alive in LyLo you get my vote for being useless.

Unvote:
Vote: Archaist

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FD: How strong is your read on TS?

Medium-rare.

Top suspect now is Akira.

With the council being better explained,

as I realized by my posts #191 and #193, I will unvote FD. Akira seems to be buddying with bgg1996 is a role-fishing attempt, ignoring how dangerous it would be for scum to fake-claim mason and how masons shouldn't claim till L-1. In light of that, Monk's claim seems legit, but they try to push the lynch anyway.

You mean "shit, everyone realized I was scum ... ahhghhhk... what do I do ... I KNOW! I'LL DO THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I WAS DOING BEFORE!"

That's for the bolded part. I don't know WTF the rest of your post is talking about.

Diescumdie.

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Town has no motivation whatsoever to sheep this badly and without reasons

explain now comradé

Sure they do, if they're sheeping obvtown.

You're looking like an Anarchist buddy.

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READS CHANGE

he's not 100% either way.

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Lurking scum is lurking.

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soooooooooo we have waited long enough. If someone doesn't move over to Akira in 24 hours I'm putting Archaist at L-1.

Nobody's moving. Vote now.

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Let me know when you're all done fighting amongst yourselves while scum lurks through his lynch.

OR when one of you grows a pair and hammers scum without a claim.

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Should be on every page cause its so sexy.

THE TOWNIES:
hiplop-IM LOST AMID AND DONT KNOW ANYTHIN BUT MY OWN ASS Towntell
TwistedSpoon-I found a scumtell I SWEAR guiz! Towntell
Akira-Im L and I will find you KIRA Towntell
Bgg-MY ROLE PM SAYS DIS Towntell, A mafia iz u SCUMBAG Towntell
earworm-I'm over here jsut chillin yo Towntell

kondi2424-I'm mislynch fodder and going to be worthless all game Towntell

Empking-I replaced into a town slot and have decent fuckin reads Towntell

Monk-Claiming scum first post because I can Scumtell Masons are basically Scum Towntell

SCUM
Archaist-I'll post when I feel like it de temps en temps Scumtell, I'll lurk and flake out when run up under serious pressure I can't deal with Scumtell
Mikemike-I point out things of no real importance UNDER THE RADAR PLZ Scumtell

Peaf-Arguing with Fate hydra slightscumtell

archaebob-Replaced into a scumslot with scumbuddy run up oh fuck me Scumtell
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HI ZACH

HI PIKACHU

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.................................


YOU.

HOW DID YOU FIND ME HERE.

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If you vote Archaist right now everything will be forgiven.

Otherwise ....

Who knows.

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Masons always play like fucking scum.

I can no longer ignore Zach on my list because of his experience, he's going on it, as scum.

The "I want to give masons control of the lynch because its "pro-town" (but I actually don't want anyone with UNKNOWN alignment having to take any responsibility for any lynches and therefore make scumhunting impossible) Scumtell.

And since we're dying tonight, he has to die today while we're still alive to catch him.

Grey, Mikemike can die tomorrow easily, but yes he is scum.

Unvote:
Vote: Zachrulez

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Unvote

We're lynching who the claimed masons tell us to lynch today.

Yeah.

You did.

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WHAT THE FUCK MAFIASCUM I ONLY HIT SUBMIT ONCE

Double posts deleted. -bvoigt

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You said you thought it was SCUMMY that Twisted would trust a lynch to people with unconfirmed alignments than confirmed alignments.

When THAT is very pro-town.

Because if the council of unconfirmed gets to control the lynch each day, scumhunting their alignment because a walk in the park based on flips and the like.


BUT

If we all just say "ok masons tell us who to kill" THEY take responsibility for the lynch, and THEY are already KNOWN to be town. So it a waste of a day. Day one. The most IMPORTANT day for scumhunting.

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In fact by backing them on the matter, I'm quite directly taking responsibility, not avoiding it.

So WHOEVER they choose to lynch you accept the responsibility if its a mislynch?

What if they decided to lynch you? Would you self-vote?

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I'm not entirely convinced that you're not threatened by the counter to your council influence that they represent either.

They influence shit.

They are masons, with confirmed town alignment. Doesn't mean I give a damn about their opinion, except NOW they are removed from the lynch pool and their motivation is known to be town.

If you're calling me scum here man up and do it.

Because saying I'm scum that's "threatened" by masons having control of the lynch, which I've already shown is in scum's best interest, is ludicrous.

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1. You said "we're lynchin who the masons tell us to today" If that doesn't mean you want the votes to be "MASON SAID SO VOTE: X" then I JUST DONT KNOW SHIT DO I?

2. Are you this dense? If we all just VOTE WHO THE MASONS TELL US, how will you find out WHO is avoiding responsibility?

3. It actually, WON"T, not by all that much. The only thing masons do to increase a scumflip is SHRINK the goddamn lynchpool. Their scumdar is just a susceptible as any towns, and given their play today I trust myself far more than their scumdar.

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Oh yeah... masons are more likely to die than me. Unless scum like getting PoE'd.

Hmm.

We can continue this MD debate another day then, Zach. But you are horribly wrong for the record, and unless that's your "meta" you're referring to than there's no way in hell I'm letting this go.

Unvote:
Vote: MikeMike

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THE TOWNIES:
hiplop-IM LOST AMID AND DONT KNOW ANYTHIN BUT MY OWN ASS Towntell
TwistedSpoon-I found a scumtell I SWEAR guiz! Towntell
Akira-Im L and I will find you KIRA Towntell
Bgg-MY ROLE PM SAYS DIS Towntell, A mafia iz u SCUMBAG Towntell
earworm-I'm over here jsut chillin yo Towntell

kondi2424-I'm mislynch fodder and going to be worthless all game Towntell

Empking-I replaced into a town slot and have decent fuckin reads Towntell

Monk-Claiming scum first post because I can Scumtell Masons are basically Scum Towntell
Archaist-I'll post when I feel like it de temps en temps Scumtell, but Masons are basically Scum Towntell


SCUM
Mikemike-I point out things of no real importance UNDER THE RADAR PLZ+I was scummily votin dat masons Scumtells
Zachrulez-I'll propose a scummy as fuck plan and "suspect" anyone that disagrees with my "flawless" reasoning+You should know my meta, since you don't ur scum BS arguments, Scumtells
archaebob-Replaced into a scumslot with scumbuddy run up oh fuck me Scumtell

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hey FD, what d you think of earworm?

I mean I spam my reads every page, I know you're usually pretty bad town but come on man.

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To suggest that I was actually suggesting a gamestate where people didn't provide their own opinions or tried to influence opinion is something I can't fathom you actually believing I would do.

I think you assume I know a lot more about your meta than I do. You were useless as scum, and your town games have all been with sotty in a hydra so I never payed or cared about your play. I am suggesting nothing, you PROPOSED such a fucking gamestate WITH YOUR OWN WORDS. You can't say I'm twisting or misrepresenting anything, its RIGHT THERE with your "lets just lynch who they say." Which, fuck all other scumhunting, would result in a END OF DAY FLIP of something chosen entirely by a player whos alignment is already known.

I'll take their reads over yours given that yours have resulted in 2 mason claims and your other scum read is me. (And you wonder why I would be uneasy about you?)

If you genuinely think being wrong D1 is a scumtell then I'm even less interested in learning your meta, because it is apparently much worse than I gave you credit for.


Also, and here's something that does interest me, what ever happened to your Hiplop scumread?

UH OH. WAS THAT EARLY GAME DISTANCING?

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To suggest that I was actually suggesting a gamestate where people didn't provide their own opinions or tried to influence opinion is something I can't fathom you actually believing I would do.

I think you assume I know a lot more about your meta than I do. You were useless as scum, and your town games have all been with sotty in a hydra so I never payed or cared about your play. I am suggesting nothing, you PROPOSED such a fucking gamestate WITH YOUR OWN WORDS. You can't say I'm twisting or misrepresenting anything, its RIGHT THERE with your "lets just lynch who they say." Which, fuck all other scumhunting, would result in a END OF DAY FLIP of something chosen entirely by a player whos alignment is already known.

I'll take their reads over yours given that yours have resulted in 2 mason claims and your other scum read is me. (And you wonder why I would be uneasy about you?)

If you genuinely think being wrong D1 is a scumtell then I'm even less interested in learning your meta, because it is apparently much worse than I gave you credit for.


Also, and here's something that does interest me, what ever happened to your Hiplop scumread?

UH OH. WAS THAT EARLY GAME DISTANCING?

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what do you think of earworm's entrance onto the anarchist wagon then?

also do you think the anarchist wagon made any players look scummier?

also your towntell on hiplop doesn't apply to him. srsly, he's been exactly the same in the past to games i've played with him as scum

Hold on, I may be on to something.

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DONT RUN AWAY NOW ZACH

HEHAEHAHHHAAAAAAAA

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CASE WRITING TIME:

Really, the only scum i see is BGG. Not enough activty to see reactions and stuff

What is this? I don't even...

Unvote: Vote: Hiplop

The great thing about FD's council proposal is not so much the proposal itself from my perspective, it's in the reactions it gets from everyone else.

Hiplop's reaction to it basically amounted to attacking it... and doing so softly so as not to provoke a full on confrontation. And hey, let's look at that quote again.

Final destination, make sure you don't tunnel. It seems you're preparing for that, one of your "council" members could easily be scum, if you go through game assuming they're town, we could mess up big time. Scummiest thing so far, is that BGG thing where he said kondi2424 was being scummy, i know as scum i used to just pick a name that i tthought i could lynch nad say their being wscummy, i think hes doing the same

UNVOTE: Twisted spoon
VOTE: bgg1886

Quote itself seems to be addressing FD as a townie. (Which is why it piques my interest on a re-read)

Worse yet, Hiplop has an exchance with TwistedSpoon over a piece of meta (which is

vaguely

alluded to) which would make TwistedSpoon more likely scum, but does this exchange actually lead to anything? Analysis and a changed vote on Hiplop's part? Nope, he keeps his vote right where it is on BGG.

I'm not buying it.

Oh way back when, at a time Zach hoped no one would re-read, he was suspicious of Hiplop. He ALSO realized that hiplop scum implied FD town.


Then when I pressured him on his lurking and non-comittal play on anything:

If you had any actual knowledge of my play, you'd know I don't say any more than is necessary.

If it makes you feel any better, I'll blatantly sheep your vote on Archaist.

Unvote: Vote: Archaist

He gives up his hiplop scumread without a word,

and blatantly sheeps me.

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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3093618

Here is yet ANOTHER post referring to the council as town and trying to scumhunt based on who reacted to it, hiplop being a prime contender.

Oh look, it's my preferred lynch casting an extremely scummy vote with no prior mention of the player he's voting, and still no one is interested in actually voting for him.

His PREFERRED lynch target is hiplop.

Yeah, leaning town on Hiplop now.

Looked up Hiplop's games and isoed him as scum, I'm not seeing the comparison that Spoon is trying to draw (I actually noticed more differences than similarities.) He's rising up my suspicion list as a result.

OH HERES WHERE HIS SCUMREAD WENT. Wow, the classic "meta defense" of a scumbuddy. Pretty blatant.

He stops suspecting him becaus ehe iso'd hiplop in other games.... and doesn't agree with SPOONS comparison. SPOONS. Whatever happened to HIS analysis of hiplop's play in THIS game and his reactions to the council and his slipping of knowing I am town?

GONE

NOWHERE TO BE SEEN.

He no longer finds it convenient to suspect his buddy with so many other mislynch suspects out there.

Then there's that whole "Give masons responsibility for the lynch" and after that his vote goes to OMGUS on whoever disagrees with his plan.

First TwistedSpoon
Then me (he never voted me, but his 180 on my alignment was pretty clearly fake and not geniune at all given the reasons he has, aka me not knowing his meta)

And actually, I like your earworm vote a lot better than your emp vote.

Unvote: Vote: Earworm

I'm still uneasy about you Twisted, because I think the masons can be quite useful and you're all over the place with stances, from Hiplop is scum I have meta, to your position on him now being a lot less clear. From voting Emp for his spot on the wagon to being supportive of his vote on Hiplop.

He's clearly setting up a 1v1 of town here and lining up his mislynches. Earworm is an easy target, and tomorrow after he flips town? He'd be back on TwistedSpoon.

Ear is town.
Twisted is town.


Hiplop+Zach are scum.
Mike is the third.

Unvote:
Vote: Hiplop

hehheEHEHAEHHAHEHHA

[Final Destination]

this is the part where we realise FD is really just fate

Fate's pretty easy to IMPERSONATE isn't he?

You'll never truly know the man behind the curtain.

[Final Destination]

I'm not interested in your meta, if you KNOW your meta than you can manipulate it to your advantage.

ALSO remember hiplop saying "don't tunnel on the council, Fate"? I could see him being uneasy that I had placed a scum in the council (you) and wanted to try and get points for saying there could be scum in the council at the start later on.

I saw your explanation, it was bullshit. META

If you honestly think I shouldn't be uneasy that I'm one of your scumreads and they were, you're a far worse player than I gave you credit for.

We can ad hom back and forth, but once you flip scum I'll get the last laugh. /grin

[Final Destination]

Oh right, READS change.

Remember that?

Apparently that only applies to you.

Yeah they do.

My reads change when new information in this game comes forth.

YOUR reads change magically after you read another game where hiplop was scum, and then by DIVINE INSIGHT you learned he was town this game?

Lol.

[Final Destination]

Blacklisted for being wrong?

Nah, you're just ad hom to the extreme.

Also I love how you play both sides of the fence, "you won't laugh unless youre scum... if you're not scum I'm blacklisting you... I don't really have a strong stance on your alignment lolz"

If Hiplop is scum, I'll take the 1 for 1 trade and then I can better vet my blacklist to make sure Fate doesn't sneak in on it under a hydra account again.

[Final Destination]

YOU'RE ALREADY ON MY BLACKLIST.

I just hate playing with you, and had I known you were in this game, I wouldn't have joined it.

CRY MOAR SCUM

[Final Destination]

/in before accusation of zach trying to get towncred.

I'm willing to move to a hiplop wagon, but not before bob weighs in.

(Or Monk and Archaist for that matter.)

BTW, if I was truly planning to sheep the masons or promote that game state

, I would have waited for them to tell me who to vote

, obviously I find value in scumhunting and discussion.

(I do also reserve the right to vote with them if their reads agree with mine.)

GEE I DUNNO THAT FENCE MUST BE REAL UNCOMFORTABLE MR.

[Final Destination]

/in before accusation of zach trying to get towncred.

I'm willing to move to a hiplop wagon, but not before bob weighs in.

(Or Monk and Archaist for that matter.)

BTW, if I was truly planning to sheep the masons or promote that game state

, I would have waited for them to tell me who to vote

, obviously I find value in scumhunting and discussion.

(I do also reserve the right to vote with them if their reads agree with mine.)

GEE I DUNNO THAT FENCE MUST BE REAL UNCOMFORTABLE MR.

IGNORE ME WHEN I MAKE TH EBEST POINTS


EXCELLENT STRATEGY SCUM

BRAVO.

[Final Destination]

Unvote:
Vote: Mikemike

Hiplop is Town. Let's not ourselves get sidetracked again.

[Final Destination]

Akira's reads are solid. Akira, vote Mikemike with us if you would.

He's town. This wagon is scumfilled, notably Archbaeob who's playing the cheeky "too scum to be scum" card as hard as he can.

[Final Destination]

Twistedspoon is scum.

I could unvote anytime from this wagon and vote Akira. But i'm not. So don't say this is forced

Here, Twistedspoon is responding to accusations that he was forced onto the hiplop wagon. He denies it (multiple times).

oh, and you should probably claim now hiplop

Hiplop goes to L-1. He asks for the claim.

and Hiplop has always been a suspect although his place in my suspect list has varied at times

Once again, TS reiterates that hiplop is a suspect. TS is seriously obsessed with making sure we know he has been suspecting hiplop. Why is this? It's because

Twistedspoon knows hiplop is flipping town.

And TS looks like he snuck ont he wagon near the end, it'll look scummy. Thus, he's broacasting loud and clear (over and over) how long he has suspected TS for, with the hopes that, by grounding himself as an early advocate of the wagon, he can dodge suspicion. Notice how he also carefully qualifies said suspicions while reinforcing them, with lines like "his place...has varied at times"

Unfortunately, I'm a VT.

Go after TS and mikemike, really all i can say

hiplop claims VT and offers some vapid accusation of hiplop. This is not stuff you unvote or retract suspicions based on. It's hammer material. How does TS respond?

^ I asked you to explain your suspicions of myself

we're not ending the day until hiplop justifies his baseless conjecture on mike and myself

The second post is most important. If TS thinks hiplop is scum, why does he care about hearing him justify his presumably bad reads? They'll fly out the window and have zero credibility the second he flips scum. The answer is because, once again,

Twistedspoon knows hiplop is flipping town.

He KNOWS those reads are going to have cred tomorrow, and so he wants them squashed today before hiplop is dead and gone.

^I find hiplop scummy

that is why I'm on the wagon

Post claim, TS still finds hiplop scummy.

hiplop asks why. TS gives a response that reaffirms hiplop's scumminess. Steam is dissapating from the wagon

...a few irrelevant posts happen (none of them from hiplop)...

but the hiplop reaction is surprisingly unlike scumlop when he gets lynched

but hiplop is still probtown now

This is the nail in the coffin.

Twistedspoon has done a complete 180 on his hiplop read without hiplop posting inbetween.

This is 100% scum behavior becuase it proves TS is simply making his reads up as he goes without having actual evidence to support them, which is something scum do because they have perfect information, and thus don't need evidence.

TS tries to justify himself, but all his justifications rely on hiplop's meta and claim. However, we know these cannot be TS's reasons, since he stated he still found hiplop scummy post-claim. TS is thinking these reasons up ex-post-facto to cover his mistake. It is not part of his natural thought process.

Unvote, Vote: Twistedspoon.

[Final Destination]

Zach, please join on this wagon. We are sorry things got out of control - it won't happen again. You were right about TS.

[Final Destination]

so I'm scummy for changing my read on hiplop?

It's okay if you change your reads. However, you need an affirmative reason to do so (e.g., something the person posted or a massive re-read you conducted). You don't have one. hiplop did not post inbetween the time you changed your read, and your 180 post was 2-3 lines long, so you clearly did not reread. You simply decided on a whim that you wanted to call hiplop town ... which is something scum do.

well you just backpeddaled your read on me compadré
what does that make you then?

Yes, because you made a series of extremely scummy posts since the last time we updated our read on you. hiplop, on the other hand, didn't make ANY posts between you changing him from scum to town. That's the difference.

@FD: explain why Akira is town.

@ FD -

Please answer my questions about Akira and Mikemike.

It will be answered, just chillax.

P-Edit: Surprise, surprise ... Twistedspoon suddenly makes a full court push on the competing wagon with the most steam. This is a clear scum evasion play - he doesn't have a large wagon right now (yet), so he's trying to push Akira through before one can form on him. Don't let it happen - TS is scum, and we're not letting him get away.

[Final Destination]

my hiplop rethink was fast and looked odd. sure

but I know scumlop having played with him twice

that claim and hiplop rage. That was not scumlop.
If you don't believe me iso him in the games I provided

Oh, we believe you on that point - hiplop is town. What we don't believe is your 180. You were still calling hiplop scummy even AFTER he claimed. It wasn't until two other people had unvoted that you changed your mind. And you want to call that "meta" read on hiplop? If you wanted to read hiplop's meta, you could have and would have done it after he claimed. You thought up the meta reason after the fact in order to justify getting off the wagon.

@ FD -

Answer my questions now if you want any cooperation from me today. 1/3 of your play has been reasonably pro-town and content generating, but the rest has been deliberately antagonistic, fluffy, and laced with stunningly unwarranted conceit. I don't know when you think you were elected mayor here, but even the players who are tolerating you are not impressed.

Why is akira town?
Why is mikemike scum?

and

what do you think of earworm?

First, we don't need your cooperation. This lynch is going to happen at some point, with or without your help. As we have already stated, we have a scumread on you. If you don't want to bus your buddy and instead want to further confirm yourself as scum, that's perfectly fine with us. Second, we have stated we will answer your questions shortly-. Your cheeky, scummy "answer now or else" response isn't helping you at all.

[Final Destination]

NO U

[Final Destination]

Tell us why not, then.

I don't feel like it right now.

So you can tell me who you suspect, but not a word on

why

you suspect them?

No no, I

can

tell you, I just don't

feel

like it.

@ Twisted -

Do you have anything to say in response to arguments regarding a link between you and the presumptive lynchee?

@ Zach -

Name the towniest three players, go!

You're kind of scum needs to DIE QUICK.

"TROLOL LETS WAGON TILL PEOPLE CO-OPERATE AND FUCK AROUDN BEFORE DEADLINE SO THAT NOTHING GETS DONE."

Fuck your BULLSHIT DISTRACTIONS SCUM.

Akira is TOWN
Mikemikeis SCUM

you are SCUM

Twisted is SCUM.

THATS WHAT I FEEL LIKE SAYING RIHGT NOW YOU SCUMFUCK

NOW TELL ME IS TWISTED YOUR ROLEBLOCKER AND MIKE THE GOON OR ARE YOU JUST TRYING TO GET TOWN TO ACCOMPLISH LITERALLY NOTHING BY SPLITTING HTME BETWEEN YOUR BUDDIES?

WAIT DONT ANSWER

I DONT FUCKIN CARE

[Final Destination]

Here's how we feel about responding to anything you are saying:

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

WHOOPS. SO IF WE DON'T RESPOND, IT'S SCUMMY, BUT IF YOU DON'T RESPOND, IT WAS JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T FUCKING FEEL LIKE IT?

GUESS WHAT. WE DON'T FEEL LIKE IT EITHER.

WE'VE CAUGHT SCUM, AND ONE OF THEM IS YOU. WE'LL RESPOND TO YOUR STUPID ASS DEMANDS WHEN WE WANT TO. NOT A SECOND BEFORE.

[Final Destination]

AND PS - BECAUSE IM NICE, ILL GIVE YOU A LITTLE DELICIOUS TASTE OF CONTENT - POSTS LIKE MIKE AT THE TOP ARE WHY HE IS SCUM. LOOK AT THE CLOWN. HE IS LITERALLY SALIVATING AT THE OPPORTUNITY TO LYNCH US DAY 1 INSTEAD OF HIS BUDDY, TWISTEDSPOON.

AND GUESS WHAT? YOU'RE RIGHT UP THERE WITH HIM, LEADING THE TOWN ON A GIANT GOOSE CHASE LIKE YOU'RE THE ONE IN CHARGE AND NOTHING CAN HAPPEN UNLESS YOU ARE FULLY SATISFIED AND IT HAS YOUR APPROVAL.

GUESS WHAT - FUCK THAT NOISE.

WE'VE CAUGHT THE SCUM, AND WE'RE GOING TO LYNCH THEM. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE, FINE. YOU AND YOUR SCUMBUDDIES CAN GO SIT IN THE CORNER WHILE ALL THE BIG BOYS TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS.

[Final Destination]

You are starting to look like panicking scum, who can't believe that they don't actually have the entire town under their thumb. Do you really think that you're going to get a town read out of everyone by posting in all caps? I can't imagine why you would be playing like this as town.

LOL THIS IS FUNNY

I'm not panicking scum, we NEVER panic as scum. We'd have everything planned out and shit lined up and lynches GGd and the entire town WOULD be under our thumb.

WE are TOWN and FRUSTRATED AS FUCK because people are falling for YOUR BULLSHIT and being under YOUR THUMB because you appeased them with some fake content, fancy words, and wall spam. I still can't believe some of the fucknuts that are going "lolk we'll vote FD" this close to deadline when we have not one but TWO SCUM wagonned up.

Your obvious deflection, all in the name of "being a good townie! Im getting people to give reads!" is so transparently scum motivated I am flabbergasted no one else sees it (oh hey Empking does, but he's a useless townie as always and his opinion is never cared for.)

I'm not lowering myself to your level to appease people because I DONT CARE that scum is calling me scum.

I'm not giving out why AKIRA is a town read because theres no NEED either. Is Akira being wagonned? No. So why should I give away my townread secrets and magic... just because some scumbag asked me to and is trying to force a lynch based on my refusal? BULLSHIT.

Akira is town. If you dumbfucks want to wagon him again, I MIGHT explain why if I feel it would derail the wagon on somehow I think is town. INSTEAD I think I'll stick to calling out the REAL SCUM for what THEY are doing and hope you punks see the light.

Archbob is scum.
Arch is distracting from his buddies by preaching pro-town rhetoric, and trying to move the wagon me when his real intentions is to get it off Twisted and Mikemike. He even blatantly coaches his buddies in thread like Twisted in order to get the game in a state where everything goes according to plan.

HIS PLAY HAS ADAPATED to manipulate the town.

OUR PLAY HAS STAYED CONSISTENT to find the scum and because we're fucking TOWN.

Now.

Mike or Twisted dies today, I don't care which. WITH THEIR SCUMFLIP BOB"S LYNCH WILL BECOME A REALITY TOMORROW.

[Final Destination]

Honestly, for a hydra with Fate in it they are playing pretty subdued and methodically.

What the fuck is this are you high?

[Final Destination]

I thought this was pretty entertaining myself:

People who think we are scum:

the scumteam and bgg1996 (aka lurker and member at large of the VI brigade)

People who think we are town:

all the experienced and/or obvtown players

HMMM, I WONDER WHO IS RIGHT ON THIS ONE. LETS TAKE BETS.

[Final Destination]

@ my scumbuddies

I think we failed our objective. Nobody thinks FD is scum, so we need to start a new wagon on someone else.

FTFY.

[Final Destination]

Also, Re: Your entire post.

LOL

[Final Destination]

My objective was to get you to crack and post some content. I succeeded in my objective.

Oh really? When you voted for us, we had just finished posting a massive case on Twistespoon. It was well supported and many people currently agree with it. It was Grade A content. Hell, you even said yourself that you would be willing to hammer Twistedspoon. So your demand that we needed to "crack and post some content" is complete and utter bullshit. We've been consistently providing good content throughout this game.

But apparently that wasn't enough. It was this post, our #709, that counted as content. What was the "content" of that post? It basically did two things: 1) Prove that you are scum, and 2) Tell you to fuck off and that we weren't answering your questions. Since you weren't originally asking for a case on yourself or reasons why we are town, those don't count as "content" you wanted to see. So let's cut everything talking about why you are scum and see what's left.

these two choice quotes:

I'm not lowering myself to your level to appease people because I DONT CARE that scum is calling me scum.

I'm not giving out why AKIRA is a town read because theres no NEED either. Is Akira being wagonned? No. So why should I give away my townread secrets and magic... just because some scumbag asked me to and is trying to force a lynch based on my refusal? BULLSHIT.

Akira is town. If you dumbfucks want to wagon him again, I MIGHT explain why if I feel it would derail the wagon on somehow I think is town. INSTEAD I think I'll stick to calling out the REAL SCUM for what THEY are doing and hope you punks see the light.

Mike or Twisted dies today, I don't care which. WITH THEIR SCUMFLIP BOB"S LYNCH WILL BECOME A REALITY TOMORROW.

What do we have? It's basically us 1) refusing to answer any of your questions and 2) telling you to fuck off. How the hell is us telling you to piss off "content" that generates a town read on us for you … but the massive case on Twistedspoon didn't? Bullshit.

tl;dr - What archaebob thinks:

An full game of scumhunting; a well-sourced case on Twistedspoon:

Not content, leads to a scum read on us.

A single post telling him that he's scum and to fuck off:

Content, automatically turns around his scum read on us and makes us a town read.

The scumteam: Twistedspoon, mike, and bob. Book it.

[Final Destination]

First of all, let's get one thing clear: this was never about you responding to my demands.

BULLSHIT.

@ FD -

Please answer my questions about Akira and Mikemike.

@ FD -

I strongly recommend that you answer my questions.

Answer my questions now if you want any cooperation from me today

unvote vote Final Destination

@ everyone -

Final Destination's giant emotional outburst in his last past is fake as shit, I'm sure you all can see that as clearly as I can. He's still refusing to answer basic questions, and I think we need to make it clear that that's not an option. I have absolutely zero reason to think that he's town right now, and if he won't compromise with the rest of us on any level, then I want him lynched. He's like a VI, just with more experience.

He's still refusing to answer basic questions, and I think we need to make it clear that that's not an option.

He's still refusing to answer basic questions, and I think we need to make it clear that that's not an option.

He's still refusing to answer basic questions, and I think we need to make it clear that that's not an option.

He's still refusing to answer basic questions, and I think we need to make it clear that that's not an option.

He's still refusing to answer basic questions, and I think we need to make it clear that that's not an option.

He's still refusing to answer basic questions, and I think we need to make it clear that that's not an option.

He's still refusing to answer basic questions, and I think we need to make it clear that that's not an option.

He's still refusing to answer basic questions, and I think we need to make it clear that that's not an option.

He's still refusing to answer basic questions, and I think we need to make it clear that that's not an option.

He's still refusing to answer basic questions, and I think we need to make it clear that that's not an option.

[Final Destination]

SPECIFIC REASON FOR VOTE STATED IN THE POST WHERE YOU MADE THE VOTE: WE WEREN'T ANSWERING QUESTIONS.

[Final Destination]

So you admit lying to other players about your motivations in order to manipulate them into doing what you want? Why don't you just CLAIM SCUM at this point?

Also, your own quote doesn't even prove your point.

That was just the hook by which I got some other players to vote you with me. The bigger point, which I made clear numerous times, was that I didn't have a town read on you, and

you were deliberately refusing to do anything that would help me.

By "help me," you mean "answer your questions."

Which was what we just said you wanted. And you said you didn't want.

Whoops.

Guess we win again.

Unless you think that us merely telling you to "fuck off" was enough for you to suddenly have a town read on us.

In which case we still win. In fact, we get double points for winning while openly mocking your face.

Let's start keeping score.

FD: 3
Bob: 0

[Final Destination]

LLAMA GET THE FUCK OUT OF MD AND ITT.

We need your help lynching SCUMZ.

[Final Destination]

re: bob - i like how when you respond to us, you cut out the entire first half of our post where we prove you are a) wrong and b) scum and go off on a rant about how childlike we are. you can mock our play all you want - you're the one who is resorting to dismissive insults and ate in order to dodge answering our arguments.

Why are your posts mostly rhetoric? (e.g. I'm not interested in playing games.)

Empking this game is making me start to really like you more.

[Final Destination]

no, you're stupid scum defending his buddy ITT.

your shenanigans aren't getting you anywhere. we're lynching all of you.

[Final Destination]

nobody cares about your credit, you're getting lynched today.

[Final Destination]

Your case is shit, and I've mislynched townies in just the same way by walling posts at them and twisting every single post they make into a scumtell
.
You even slip several times yourself saying things like "if he's town he's being bad town" and "I'm less certain, but..."

You're desperately trying to save Twisted.

Who, by the way, you should be suspicious of via your OWN FUCKING LOGIC:

Defends himself with WIFOM. I don't buy it.

Oh so what is TWISTED DOING HERE THEN?:

anyways, the only scummy thing I've done is point out how townie hiplop was after his claim

if I was scum I'd probably have ridden the anarchist wagon since it was going so well.

sigh

I'm reserving rights to say 'I told you so' in the endgame

exactly

if I were scum I would be bussing mike for credit instead of sticking out like a sore thumb by saying I have a town read on him

TWISTED POSTS ARE DRIPPING WITH SCUM

AND YOURE OVER HERE TRYING TO SQUEEZE EVERY LAST DROP OF SCUMTELL YOU CAN GET OUT OF AKIRA TO DIVERT THE LYNCH.

YOU ARENT GETTING YOUR FUCKING WAY SCUM.

YOU ARENT.

[Final Destination]

I don't expect any of this to make a difference to you right now, because you are so overwhelmingly convinced of your current position that you'll interpret any post from me as scum-motivated.

Actually, we have been perfectly willing to change our opinions on people and have done so multiple times today (for example: hiplop). Moreover, Fate is pretty well known on this site for spontaneously changing his reads whenever he feels like it. So this entire post of yours accusing us of having tunnel vision is basically 100% untrue. YOU, on the other hand, have been self-admittedly tunneling on Akria, refuse to vote Twistedspoon in spite of all logic because of "gut," and have all around been playing this game with an "I'll vote for anyone who doesn't do things my way" attitude.

So who's the scummy hypocrite now?

[Final Destination]

claim

calling for the claim when there's not even the threat of the hammer

my my my

[Final Destination]

what are you talking about?

my point was that empking has voteparked

voteparked =/= good

why not.

[Final Destination]

Good lord we could AT LEAST have forced him to fakeclaim

FFS

Unvote:
Vote: Mike

[Final Destination]

Good lord we could AT LEAST have forced him to fakeclaim

FFS

Unvote:
Vote: Mike

well If I'm town (which you must think since you unvoted) why would I fakeclaim?

YOURENOT FUCKING TOWEN

I DONT FIND YOU TOWN


UNVOTING IS NOT A SIGN OF ME THINKING YOU ARE TOWN NOR HAS IT EVER BEEN IN ANY GAME EVER WHERE DEADLINE APPROACHES AND YOUR WAGON HAS FALLEN APART

WHAT IS THIS

THE FUCKING

NEWBIE QUEUE?

[Final Destination]

Archbob sure was defending the HELL out of Mikemike earlier.

Now that we're in clutch time and the last pages of content will be cemented in our town brains once Mike flips scum he's doing his BEST to avoid commenting on it

KEKEKEKKEKE

[Final Destination]

Give me a break.

HEHEHEHAAAA - COME TO BEG FOR MERCY?

BEG, SCUM. BEG.

YOU SHALL RECEIVE ONLY JUSTICE.

MUAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Final Destination]

L


O

HEHAHEAHAEHHEAHEHAHAHAA

L

GFUCKING

G

FUCKING

G

VOTE: ARCHBAEOB

[Final Destination]

FAILSCUM IS FAIL

MASONS ARE STILL ALIVE

GG

[Final Destination]

WAIT. I'm at L-1. Give me a moment to post.

The only thing you need to post right now if you want to pretend to be town is an apology to us and the rest of the town for being such an arrogant, misguided fool who let his massive ego get in the way. You can also say you're sorry for calling us names when we were right all along (we called Mike scum on PAGE TWO).

If I were you, though, I wouldn't even waste the time typing. Because you're scum and done.

DONE.

[Final Destination]

Well his claim is complete shit and he DIDNT protect obvtown obvnotmislynch obv1stNK target GreyMarble.


But I'd be wasting my fuckin time trying to get a claimed doc lynched D2.

Unvote:
Vote: Twisted

[Final Destination]

cool claim, bro. did you crumb anywhere?

(p.s. - $10 you didn't).

[Final Destination]

@Bob - I wasn't talking to you. Now shut up and go sit in the corner while you wait your turn to be lynched.

@Zach - It's because 1) Bob thought up both these fakeclaims or 2) TS is fakeclaiming.

Imma go with option ONE. but option two is mighty fine as well.

Can we get a hammer in here, pl0x?

[Final Destination]

pretty problematic for a doctor and a commuter to exist together in a game of this size.

Why?

BECAUSE THEY DO THE SAME THING

god this ain't the ROAD TO ROME

[Final Destination]

What.

The.

Fuck.

FIRST of all, that Akira lynch was shit, I TOLD you my gut was right about him being town.

Quicklynch a guy when there's a possible way he was confirmed

Anti-town no matter HOW you slice it, from people not having even posted yet to Akira not even having a chance to claim.

SECOND why the FUCK aren't the masons dead yet? its MyLo, we're massclaiming then no lynching.


THIRD, Empking kill makes shit for sense, but highly implicates the masons.

Specially since said masons quickhammered someone they KNEW to be the vig (if they were scum) and would be all the happy to do that.

[Final Destination]

FOURTH this means that "lol FD is doin gresat for scum outing masons all d1" means that I was RIGHT about both of them being scum, which makes a helluva lot more sense than me being that wrong.

[Final Destination]

How is FD still alive?????

You shut the fuck up.

I'm the last competent townie alive, and we ARE doing what I'm saying.

[Final Destination]

Masons are you two confirmed town in your role PM?

[Final Destination]

Earworm you claim.

Then I claim.

Then bgg claims result

hiplop has claimed already, masons have claimed

[Final Destination]

Archaist (5)-

Zachrulez, Final Destination, Empking, hiplop,

earworm

Akira (2)

-

mikemike778,

Archaist
bgg1996 (2)-

Peaf, Twistedspoon

mikemike778 (2)

- bgg1996,

Greymarble

Earworm looks bad as scum on the Archaist wagon

hiplop (5)- monk

, Empking, Akira, archaebob, Zachrulez

mikemike778 (3)- bgg1996,

Greymarble, Final Destination

Hiplop looks like likely scum we run up here, with all supposed townies on the wagon.

mikemike778 (7)- monk,

Empking, Zachrulez,

hiplop,

Greymarble, Final Destination,

earworm

Akira (4)-

Archaist,

mikemike778,

bgg1996,

archaebob

Two scum bussing here, Hiplop+Earworm team is looking more likely

Twistedspoon (6)-

Empking,

bgg1996,

Final Destination,

hiplop,

Akira, Zachrulez

earworm (3)- monk, Archaist,

archaebob

One scum on (hiplop), one scum off (earworm)

Akira (5)- earworm,

bgg1996,

Empking,

hiplop, Archaist

Earworm and Hiplop help quicklynch the vig.





SO

I believe the Tracker claim. I believe I've been left alive because I've been calling hiplop town for a long time, as well as not pressuring Earworm. Failscum has left masons alive to WIFOM and hope they get lynched by me at LyLo because I suspected them D1.

That fail scum

is Earworm+Hiplop


GG.


BUT

We're still no lynching today.

Scum will be forced to kill either one of the masons, and confirm them, or one of ther mislynch targets:

Bgg, Me, Hiplop, Earworm.

No lynch IS the play today, after the Massclaim.

[Final Destination]

Ah so it IS you and Earworm?

That's laughable.

Laughable laughable vote.

At least that erases the slight fear I had that you would kill me overnight and try to mislynch a mason tomorrow.

You CANT kill me since Im your designated final mislynch?

LOL

You choose the WRONG FUCKIN PLAYER SCUM.

YOU
WILL

LOSE.

[Final Destination]

Claiming scum in thread is fine and all, but we're still no lynching today.

Now tell me scum, why didn't you kill the tracker?

[Final Destination]

I mean when you try to twist every post I make as a scumtell you're just making yourself more obvious.

I agree VCA is a null tell, but no one has done it this game, it NEEDED to be done before we decided the final lynch, I did it,

AND OH LOOK.

YOU LOOK SCUM AS HELL FROM IT.

Course you don't like it

[Final Destination]

You killed the competent players figuring you could blame it on the only competent player left.

It was a pretty bad plan, considering you choose to leave all the PRs alive in the process. Hell if Akira hadn't misvigged the doc we would've had an unkillable Vig AND two masons

And the game would be broken by PoE.

I never let my games as scum get broken by PoE, nor do I make NKs that can be analyzed

[Final Destination]

lolscum hiplop.

let's continue with the massclaim shall we?

Is bussing the right play for you here Earworm?

I mean, you should put all your eggs in one basket, shouldn't you? If it gets down to one scum with multiple lynches to find him, you're as good as dead.

Thats what HAPPENS when you leave masons alive

[Final Destination]

Hey earworm, you realize the only chance that im scum, is if you're my partner right? If you think im scum,

you're essentially claiming scum.

Hey earworm, you realize the only chance that im scum, is if you're my partner right? If you think im scum,

you're essentially claiming scum.

Hey earworm, you realize the only chance that im scum, is if you're my partner right? If you think im scum,

you're essentially claiming scum.

Hey earworm, you realize the only chance that im scum, is if you're my partner right? If you think im scum,

you're essentially claiming scum.

Hey earworm, you realize the only chance that im scum, is if you're my partner right? If you think im scum,

you're essentially claiming scum.

Hey earworm, you realize the only chance that im scum, is if you're my partner right? If you think im scum,

you're essentially claiming scum.

Hey earworm, you realize the only chance that im scum, is if you're my partner right? If you think im scum,

you're essentially claiming scum.

Hey earworm, you realize the only chance that im scum, is if you're my partner right? If you think im scum,

you're essentially claiming scum.

Hey earworm, you realize the only chance that im scum, is if you're my partner right? If you think im scum,

you're essentially claiming scum.

LOL


LOOOOOOOOOOOL

WAY TO OUT YOUR BUDDY.

LOL HE WAS JUST DISTANCING, WHY YOU SO MAD BRO?








LOL


MAN

MINI NORMALS

IM GLAD I PLAY YOU ONCE IN AWHILE FOR KICKS

[Final Destination]

Here let me IC for you how to play scum.

First of all you don't Ad hom someone's playstyle to push a mislynch, it rarely works because its a weak point. Second you don't EXAGGERATE things that can easily be checked, like how you said I was flip flopping or getting claims from EVERYBODY.

I was pretty cemented in my reads every day, accusing me of flip flopping isn't going to convince anyone.

oh and ALSO, you shouldn't have killed Empking. We were pretty tunneled on Empking last night, and were prepared to vote him today, because all the kills made sense from HIM because they were so strange. If you had left empking and myself alive today we would've likely destroyed eachother for the final mislynch.

Leaving one competent player alive is just bad play, ESPECIALLY if your plan was to try and get us mislynched. What happens is that we, being competent, figure everything out at MyLo because there's been enough information and lynches, and then we lynch the scum because it is very difficult to get a competent player mislynched (as you will soon find out once the townies start posting).

Just remember it next time you're scum, k hiplop?

[Final Destination]

Lol scum.

LOL

Now IC tip #2

When you've declared someone as obvscum, and push them with all your might, and then they pressure you and react offensively, you DONT crack under pressure and then jump to voting someone else.

That just makes it MORE obvious you're scum, and ruins any chance you had at the original mislynch you wanted (me in this case)

[Final Destination]

Well as it sits, either me or FD are scum. Earworm is definitely scum, so how about we lynch him? Surely if you're town, you realize this scenario: No matter what, earworm is scum. Then we can go back and realize, hes your buddy

UNVOTE:
VOTE: earworm

I mean everything about this post is scummy. "Either me or FD are scum, but Earworm is definitely scum with both of us so let's go with him? trololol?"

If no lynch wasn't the right play by far, I'd be all for lynching the hell out of Hiplop. He's literally claimed scum at this point.

Going to work now scum, try not to implicate yourself anyMORE while I'm gone.

[Final Destination]

Yeah Archaist, I rolled in teh thread saw he had been quicklynched, and said "yay scumflip!" Just because thats what it looked like and it didnt occur to me that he WAS the vig.

I was kinda mad at first, like WTF WHY AKIRA LYNCH? Bc he was my town read.

Then I went back saw the tracker claim and went, "buhhh of yay scumflip?"

Then when I saw him claim OSV I was pissed.

I wouldn't have voted him if I been here even WITH the track result, because it was pro-town to make the day longer.

If you don't think BOTH scum piled onto a mislynch of confirmed town, then I don't know what ot tell you Archaist.

Hiplop has been very nervous and VERY obvscum this day. I am even having doubts that Earworm is his buddy they way he was like OK DERP LETS LYNCH EARWORM KAY? Like lynching earworm wins it for him too. Scum tracker is still on the table, IMO, but its DEFINITELY Hiplop.

That said, all the cards are on the table, its time to see what scum do.

Vote: No lynch

[Final Destination]

So we've got

Archaist --> Mason
bgg1996 --> Tracker

hiplop

Final Destination --> Obvtown

earworm

Well this is easy. hiplop claimed scum yesterday, so that helps, but frankly we don't need it - we've got good old process of elimination.

Like was said yesterday - let this be a lesson that leaving us alive as a "mislynch" was the worst idea of all time. I can't wait to see the scum QT so I can see the absolutely hideous logic behind this and how you all were going, "TEE HEE THIS IS SO CLEVER."

GUESS WHAT, IT WASN'T

Vote: hiplop

[Final Destination]

We don't deserve a free pass because of the council idea. We deserve a free pass because bgg tracked us and we DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE. Since mafia generally aren't allowed to submit two actions at once (e.g., the roleblocker can't submit the kill AND the block, he has to do the block and let someone else kill), that means we are 99% confirmed town barring dumbfuck WIFOM scenarios. Our play has also been town as hell the entire game, whereas hiplop and earworm are practically claiming scum in the thread at this point.

Scum screwed this game up BIG TIME by worrying too much about nightkill WIFOM and analysis and not paying close enough attention to confirmed townies. They killed off so many unconfirmed VTs that we've reached the point where everyone in this game EXCEPT for hiplop and earworm is confirmed. That's their newbie mistake, and they're going to pay for it.

GAME OVER. BOOK IT.

[Final Destination]

By the way, scum - I just wanted to say again thanks for killing Empking. Fate and I had spent a good amount of time planning a full fledged assault on Empking over night, so if you had just left him alive, we woulda eaten each other apart and you guys woulda won. But instead we're sitting here with 3 confirmed townies and 2 scum sticking out like a sore thumb.

THANKS FOR THE FREE WIN!

[Final Destination]

then why dont you lynch earworm?

CAUSE YOU'RE SCUM AND WE'RE LYNCHING YOU.

And oh look, we didn't target anyone again?

TROLOLOLOL THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU KILL VTS INSTEAD OF PRS, SCUM

moar votes pl0x let's make night happen over 4th of july weekend so we can enjoy a nice win when the weekend is over

[Final Destination]

Actually, earworm + hiplop makes makes perfect sense. Rewind to hiplop's near death experience on D1. After hiplop claims VT, earworm lies low for like 3 pages. Then his first post claim is "@Archeabob: what do you think of me?" He doesn't comment on ANYTHING AT ALL - he just fishes for info on whether he's in good standing. His next post (2-3 pages later) is "Re: MikeMike. needs to post more. I like the idea of the wagon, but I'm not sure of its usefulness. Still very much a lurker null. I've seen nothing to judge his alignment at all. Which worries me." He's fence sits on his buddy, provides scumreads on akira and TS, who are now town, and a scumread on BGG (who is tracker). In other words, total crap. The rest of his posts are no better.

We have a winner.

[Final Destination]

Unvote:

Hold on now AGM.

This bgg guy voted mighty quick....

Something is up.

[Final Destination]

Hiplop and Earworm are the scum.
It might be hard to convince everybody after an Earscum flip, so let's get Hiplop first.
VOTE: Hiplop

This post in particular makes fuck for sense.

Why did you track me again bgg?

Why is it hard to convince people its hiplop if Earworm flips first?

[Final Destination]

I'm up to not rushing fucking LyLo when there's someone at L-1 and bgg/earworm is POSSIBLE combination, however unlikely.

I'm trying to figure out why you are so DESPERATE for us to lynch Earworm first, when from your point of view I am "lolconfirmedscum"

[Final Destination]

Hiplop shut the fuck up. If yo uare somehow TOWN you are completely wrong about me.

If you're scum keep trolling.

Now.

NKs that CAN"T be analyzed are NKs of confirmed town, NO ONE questions or analyzes why they were killed. The NKs in this game CAN be analyzed

[Final Destination]

AGM WHAT THE HELL DID I TELL YOU

GEEZ HAVE TO GET EVERYTHIN DONE MYSELF AROUND HERE

UNVOTE:
VOTE: EARWORM

[Final Destination]

Get in here and beg for your fucking life, hiplop, because I know given one second AGM would hammer you into eternity just because you are SO BAD you'd be bad enough as scum to leave the masons and fucking tracker alive.

[Final Destination]

What's ESPECIALLY worse is that bgg scum could've faked the guilty on me and had your IDIOTIC, MORONIC, ass quickhammer me without even fcking thinking twice.

You're THAT bad.

[Final Destination]

K well that's enough trolling and suspense for everyone.

Vote: Bgg

I've had this game cracked ever since MyLo when I unvoted hiplop.

AGM can prove it with AIM logs or you can just trust me.

I was just faking my ZOMGHIPLOP OBVSCUM read to buddy up to bgg and get him to make a mistake.

He did.

He made two:

1. Killing the mason was a mistake. If you had killed ME it would've painted hiplop as even MOAR the noobscum making kills that made fuck for sense, and incriminated him because I thought he was scummy as hell
2. Faking a guilty on HIPLOP instead of me. Hiplop is the WORSE player, so you want HIM on the trigger in LyLo, not me. You thought I was arrogant D1 when I said I was going to be killed N1? So you decided to keep me alive all game for your own pride, and to refuse to fall into making the "right" play because it would show you respect me? Well BIG mistake Bgg. Anyway if you had faked a track on me hiplop would've hammered without thinking, he woulda been like "LOL FD U MAEK KLLZ DAT MAKE NO SENSE DAT WUT U GET TRLOLOLOLOLK" then BAM. town would've lost.

But you let ME of all people get to decide who is scum in LyLo? Seriously, you fell for my hiplopIZSCUMZ tunnel the whole way, and buddied up to my obviously.

Transparent is you.

Well, this was fun experience for all, first normal game in a year, hope you all learned something.

No more community service for me, players like hiplop are too intractable. I mean anyone who gets a track guilty on them and STILL suspects outside of the 1v1 is really clueless when it comes to the basics of this game. Plus the masons who were pseudo scum, and the LOLQUICKHAMMAH on Akira-who I had read as town the whole way through damn it-and the LOLDOCTOR. Oh and did I forget Twisted spoon? Fakeclaimed COMMUTER ina normal game as VT?

I seriously almost did.

Peace.
GG.
-Fate