Mini Normal 1187: Game Over

[nintendoaddict1]

RVS: Spad

cause it sounds like spud.

[nintendoaddict1]

Vote: nintendoaddict1

because it's late and I feel tired.

lol

I'm almost never tired. ^_^

[nintendoaddict1]

RVS: Spad

cause it sounds like spud.

Why are you labeling your vote as random? Nervous much?

vote: nintendoaddict1

Cause I used random.org and then typed up some lolwut reason.

[nintendoaddict1]

This game...

[nintendoaddict1]

RVS: Spad

cause it sounds like spud.

Why are you labeling your vote as random? Nervous much?

vote: nintendoaddict1

Cause I used random.org and then typed up some lolwut reason.

Using a randomizer to pick your vote and then making sure everyone knows just how random it is defeats the purpose of a random vote, and makes you sound like nervous scum.

Wagon please.

No, I like to make it clear when I am using an RVS vote, because some people do not make it known, thus it makes it very confusing as to whether or not it is actually random, so unless I say RVS I am making a serious vote.

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@ nintendoaddict -

What do you think the purpose of RVS is?

Reactions. And not voting at all makes one look scummy, so RVS.

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Do you think you are likely to get a reaction from anyone if you tell the whole world that your vote is random?

Aren't all votes early in the game RVS anyway? Labeling a few of them does not make every other vote a serious one.

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I wouldn't say what archebob is doing anything bad, since it will certainly be helpful later.

Unless he is scum. Then it would have been all to throw us off.

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unvote vote jilynne1991

Sheepy much?

I really don't like how arch is playing this game.

Fos: archaebob

[nintendoaddict1]

unvote vote jilynne1991

Nintendo/hiplop, do you really think this post has scum motivation? If so, why?

Also, there's valid suspicion against jilynne1991. Nintendo's FoS may have just been a townie mistake; hiplop is definitely scum, but jilynne1991 is worth looking into.

Well even if he was just agreeing with what the others were saying, he could at least try to add to the discussion about jil, instead of simply voting.

[nintendoaddict1]

Pressure vote is pressurized.

Well not now, cause you just outed his pressure vote...

[nintendoaddict1]

Pressure vote is pressurized.

Well not now, cause you just outed his pressure vote...

Doesn't change his motivation. Plus, it was a very obvious pressure vote.

But now that jil knows it's a pressure vote, the pressure is off.

Was it obvious? ... idk about that but it sure as hell is now.

[nintendoaddict1]

My vote is dead serious.

Instead of speculating about what I'm doing, why don't you do something productive.

Okay, I'll do that right away.

Vote: archaebob

[nintendoaddict1]

Okay, I'll do that right away.

Vote: archaebob

Good boy.

archaebob is agreeing with my vote on him...

inb4jester

[nintendoaddict1]

Okay, I'll do that right away.

Vote: archaebob

Good boy.

archaebob is agreeing with my vote on him...

inb4jester

Are you serious?

I like the jilynne wagon but can't post in bold from my phone, incoming vote in like two hours barring significant developments.

You could always manually put in the bold tags...

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i dont really have a meta tbh. I play differently depending on how im feeling. I think one thing that reigns supreme throughout all m games, is that i'm a terrible day one-r. Almost every game i attract some sort of attention on me day one. I am at least putting content forward, i apologize for the bad typing, im not feeling that great and not paying much attention.

Does anyone else notice how Demon is pretty much worshipping bob? no one finds that even a little suspicious? i think it warrants a wagon at least

Oh, I've noticed, but to whom do you think it is deserving a wagon of? bob, or Demon?

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unvote, vote demonhybrid[/vote]

calling someone definite scum o n the second page, over a RV. Plus blindly following bobby

Just to draw this matter to everyone's attention, Rule 6 states:

Rule 6: Please bold your votes or use tags, as unbolded votes will not count.

I have counted this vote since I saw it, but I cannot guarantee that this will always be the case. Please from now on everyone bold your vote or use tags.

Mod, can we get a prod on Octopus?

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Generally, the only people that start the game looking for third party roles are scum themselves.

"Hey guys, let's look for TP!" - Scum.
"Hey guys, let's look for mafia!" - Scum.
"Hey guys, let's play this one for Town!" - Scum.

... shit.

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@ hiplop - It's counterproductive for me to explain what I'm doing right now. I recognize this is slightly hypocritical, and I don't expect you to trust me just yet. However, I do expect you to recognize that even if I'm scum, what I've done so far is pro-town, and that there are better things for you to do than fuck up my process right now. I'll explain before the day is over. Ok?

[@ jil -]

If it was joke, then why did you FoS instead of voting? You had no problem joke voting Barry Allen, Demon Hybrid, or Heliman. Is there some reason you gave hiplop the softer treatment?

Right now Jil needs to answer this, and tell me what she thinks of hiplop's play in general.

So let me get this straight, you want Jil to answer a question, but refuse to explain your 'process'? In the words of Hiraki...

HMMZORZ

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Ughh, god damn. You do realize that in doing so you're depraving all of us of information and you're not doing ANYTHING at all to help the town, right?

I promise to be one of the most active players in the game once things get interesting. I will do plenty to help us lynch right and will take all lynches seriously.

unvote

Fine. I'll be done with RVS. Next vote will be an actual suspicion or have a purpose at least. Once I start getting involved in the game I often times end up vote-hopping quite a bit. It's not a scumtell from me though.

It isn't a towntell either, SH.

[nintendoaddict1]

Wasn't saying it was nintendo.

Exactly. You just said it wasn't your scumtell, but even if that's true, you could still be TP. Which in a Normal would be SK.

[nintendoaddict1]

@ everyone: There has been a death in the family, so I might not have a chance to get back on for awhile. I will do my best to put up a vote count and deliver prods if necessary when I return.

Sorry, pappums...

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why don't you get back on the jil wagon? She already ignored my first question to her, even forgetting the chain that everyone seems to hate so much.

Maybe you want to think about going back to jil?

Pushing a lynch one someone will not help the case against you, in fact, you are making things worse for yourself. If you are so close to lynch you may want to consider a claim in the near future.

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Oh, I only FoSed hiplop, because I was voting someone else lol.

Yet you had already changed your vote twice before...

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If you are so close to lynch you may want to consider a claim in the near future.

Especially with facepalms like nintendoaddict asking me to claim...

Show me where I

ask

you to claim, I was making a suggestion.

your logic just sucks

Unfortunately, you're town, VOTE: giitah

The only way you would know for sure who is Town on D1 is if you yourself are scum.

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I wasn't speaking in absolutes, hes been acting town. Giitah, i mean other-game meta. Not personality meta.

Not speaking in absolutes? If you had said 'probably town' or something along those lines, THAT would be not speaking in absolutes. Instead, you said "You're town." That's about as absolute as it gets.

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Giitah, i mean other-game meta. Not personality meta.

Didn't you just get through saying you find meta useless?

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@ Nintendo -

You need to spend some more time in the newbie queue, my friend. The fact that it would even cross your mind for an instant that claiming right now would be a good idea is some major facepalm.

You were at L-2 and you're saying you find claiming to be a bad idea in that situation?

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@ nintendo -

So just to be clear, you're sticking with your vote on me?

Until you give me a good reason to remove it, yes.

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@ nintendoaddict -

It's not my job "to give you a good reason to remove it." The burden is on you to show everyone that your vote is helping town. What are you accomplishing with your vote right now?

Not your job? iirc you are still at L-2 and no one has unvoted, so obviously it is your job, and you're doing a poor job of it.

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without... any attempt to pressure or question me.

You're saying Pine is scum because he is

not

pressuring or questioning you?

[nintendoaddict1]

And why the sudden jump to Pine? Did you find an answer from jil that no one else knows about?

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without... any attempt to pressure or question me.

You're saying Pine is scum because he is

not

pressuring or questioning you?

Yes. He doesn't seem to be very interested in catching scum, and I don't buy that he still suspects me for my Giitah vote. Do you?

And why the sudden jump to Pine? Did you find an answer from jil that no one else knows about?

No, but Ace has done everything in his power to prevent jil from feeling remotely pressured by my vote or my case. I've been waiting for jil to answer me for several pages now, and I need to move on.

Tell me nintendo. You don't like my play because of...something. Fine. Are you at all bothered by the total lack of content in Pine's posts? If he was scum, how would you know?

Since he voted you, he hasn't even mentioned you, so what makes you so sure he still suspects you?

If you need to move on... then move on. Yes, I am bothered by his lack of content, he is usually more active. But in another completed game I played with Pine, (Mini 1156) he turned out to be scum, so his lack of activity here is a towntell for him.

As for me not liking your play, I'll have to get into that later as I am going out the door.

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@ nintendo -

I'm not sure he suspects me at all. That's the whole point.

And you didn't answer my question from before. What are you accomplishing with your vote?

Right now, it's not doing much of anything, it seems.

UNVOTE:

[nintendoaddict1]

@Nintendoaddict11

Do you have any response to the hiplop argument that I blew out of the water earlier? It was pretty scummy of you to pull.

What case? You don't talk about hiplop much, just to FoS him and say he's boxing himself into a corner. And how was it scummy for me to do?

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@ ace - It's not just about her reactions. Pay attention to what I've already said on this point. Let's debate theory later.

@ nintendo -

Vote for someone. If you aren't going to vote pine, fine, but you need to pick a target. Help us learn about a player in this thread by making them respond to something you are doing.

You're telling me to vote because you want me to? Shouldn't people vote when they feel it is necessary, for whatever purpose?

[nintendoaddict1]

So why do you not

feel

it is

necessary

to vote for Pine?

Like I said before, in a different game, Pine was very active as scum, making 105 posts, mostly on D1 before he was lynched. His tally of 9 posts up to this point makes me see TownPine.

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@Nintendoaddict1

Two things: first, your argument against Hiplop is odd, because even though he made the absolution that Giitah is town, you've totally ignored the OTHER absolution he made that said that Giitah is scum. You're mistaking a way of speaking with a scum tell and that's NOT COOL.

Sorry 'bout that, I did have a dense moment, yes.

You realize that you just admitted that hip made a huge contradiction?

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Um, duh?

Exactly. So are you for or against a hiplop lynch?

[nintendoaddict1]

@nintendoaddict1

Um, duh?

Exactly. So are you for or against a hiplop lynch?

Is this contradiction scummy? It's one thing to make a contradiction, and another thing to make a scummy one. IMO, Hiplop's contradiction isn't all that scummy, and even comes off as a simple change in opinions. Telling a scummy contradictions is usually a matter of weather or not it was made with either malicious intent or in pursuit of the player covering his own ass, weather or not it actually fits either category is up to you.

Yeah, I think it was a scummy contradiction. 5 hours is a pretty short time to change one's opinion.

Vote: hiplop

[nintendoaddict1]

post incoming t-minus 1 hour?

You were gonna make a post last night... And you broke your promise (so far) to be an active player...

Vote: Scumhunter

At least so you will actually post this time...

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post incoming t-minus 1 hour?

You were gonna make a post last night... And you broke your promise (so far) to be an active player...
Vote: Scumhunter

At least so you will actually post this time...

I thought the post from nintendoaddict was a bit early....until that hour went by with STILL no promised post. I'm not voting yet...but it is time to keep your word scumhunter.

It hasn't been an hour yet, but I was voting to make sure he actually kept his word this time, and my vote stays if he doesn't... and maybe even if he does depending on the content.

P. Edit: I see now... I had a similar thing on hotmail one time.

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Nintendo, please think about why you want to vote me. Is it solely because I have been lurking? Does that make me scum? Normally lurking is actually somewhat of a scumtell from me, but if you check my other games on here I have been similarly inactive the last few days. Ignoring my lurking up until this point...why would you want to vote me?

Like I said, the vote on you was to ensure you would actually post something. Seeing as you have, I'll UNVOTE: .

Oh, but wait, something stood out to me in that wall:

I suppose it's possible that he is a very good scum player trying to take charge from the beginning of the game... How anyone reads bob as scum is beyond me.

What's this? Saying bob could be scum, and in the same post, showing disbelief that anyone could see bob as scum?

What is this I don't even...

[nintendoaddict1]

why would you want to vote me?

I'll at least wait for you to post before re-voting you based on what I put in my previous post.

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oh nintendo might be scum, hes definitely been rolefishing. The thing im scared of, is a lurker-scum-team in this game. Wich i think is entirely a possibility, thought bob seems to be able to realize this kind of stuff

Where was I rolefishing?

Anyways, what do you think of ace and Barry?

I'll get that up possibly later if not tomorrow afternoon or evening.

[nintendoaddict1]

Anyways, what do you think of ace and Barry?

I'll get that up possibly later if not tomorrow afternoon or evening.

Okay, besides the fact that ace suddenly changed his posting style, going from one line posts to walls, there is something I need an answer on.

@ace:

In your post #11 you said 'content later when I have time' after you voted Deux. Did you mean content on your vote? Or content in general?

And like I said, your shift in content I find a bit unnerving.

Now,

@Barry

Post #4 you said you wanted to hear from jil because she was at L-2. I know this has been said before, but drawing attention to her absence seems almost opportunistic.

I don't think either of them are scum, though, but you can't be really sure on D1.

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oh nintendo might be scum, hes definitely been rolefishing. The thing im scared of, is a lurker-scum-team in this game. Wich i think is entirely a possibility, thought bob seems to be able to realize this kind of stuff

Where was I rolefishing?

That's directed at you, hiplop.

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Did you even read my post?

Yes, hiplop, I read all your posts. I find them not to be consistent in either content or posting style. The post I'm quoting from you is like a lot of your early posts, where you quote a longer post from someone else (in this case me) and make a very quick comment...making it look like you are contributing much more than you actually are. Your later posts swing back and forth in both content and style, depending on how much heat you are getting at the moment. Until I see something better from you I'll keep my vote where it is.

There is one other question that I did answer earlier...but that question seems to have come up again so I'd like to answer it again after quoting the most recent note on the subject:

Now,

@Barry

Post #4 you said you wanted to hear from jil because she was at L-2. I know this has been said before, but drawing attention to her absence seems almost opportunistic.

I don't think either of them are scum, though, but you can't be really sure on D1.

At the time of the post referenced above, Jil had actually been on thread multiple times without giving a defense, even though the votes were piling up. She had only been at L-2 for a few hours (hence my time zone reference), but this had been going on for much longer with her active posting...but no defense. That's what I was calling out...not her absence from the thread, but her absence of a defense.

get over it, you have no argument. I type walls when i have something to type about. When im just replying to a question, there is no need. If you look at my meta (since you guys seem to love it), i type like this in every game; Scum or Town. Which is why your logic sucks smurf.

As for bobs ask from us; My vote is on my most scummy, Barry has gone up a few points with his persistance with me. Yet demonhunter continues to try and pull a policy lynch on jilyanne. He was one of the ones leading the charge on her, and it wasted like 10 pages. Obvious scum-delay is obvious. Also, theres something just wrong with his posts, they come across very scummy, cant really explain it

just so the mod doesnt get confused;

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DemonHybrid

Again, hiplop, you fail to answer my question. I asked you in #347 and #356. You have posted twice since the first time, and have completely ignored the question. I want an answer in your next post.

[nintendoaddict1]

sorry, i didnt even see the question second time, you asked for a claim at l-2

Again, I did not ask bob to claim, I made a suggestion. Whether or not he decides to take it is up to him.

[nintendoaddict1]

sorry, i didnt even see the question second time, you asked for a claim at l-2

EBWODP:
Which means you saw it the first time but still ignored it...

[nintendoaddict1]

I'mma have to break this down...

Soooooooo after the last hour or so of reading a few people stand out to me.

Okay, if a few people stand out to you, why don't you post your analysis on them as well?

1) Nintendoaddict1:

Struck me as odd in the very beginning. I wouldn't have taken an RVS accusation remotely seriously no matter how intent the accuser seemed to be with it. However, Nintendo64 took the time to calmly and rationally answer archaebob's questions. In general that seems pro-town, but he it much to serious about it. He is responding as though there was a threat, rather than responding to generate discussion. Scum tend to do that, not town.

I didn't take it seriously, cause I knew it was RVS. And wait, you're saying you would not have taken it seriously either? So how does that make you town, but make me scum?

No, I like to make it clear when I am using an RVS vote, because some people do not make it known, thus it makes it very confusing as to whether or not it is actually random, so unless I say RVS I am making a serious vote.

Now it's painfully fucking obvious that it was an RVS vote without him saying anything. This is clearly redundant and the result of nervous energy.

Actually, it was a response to someone asking why I labeled it RVS. Should I ignore questions asked of me?

Aren't all votes early in the game RVS anyway? Labeling a few of them does not make every other vote a serious one.

Yes, yes they are. Labeling them is strange especially if you already accept the idea that all early votes will be RVS votes. I believe I saw earlier archaebob explain the idea that scum will explain how their play is townie without being prompted. This labeling of your RVS vote is an example of that. "Don't vote me, I'm just random voting."

Exactly. I know all votes are RVS at first. Why is saying 'RVS' in front of my vote strange? Oh, and nice buddying on bob, there. Where did I say anything

remotely

like that paraphrase?

My vote is dead serious.

Instead of speculating about what I'm doing, why don't you do something productive.

Okay, I'll do that right away.

Vote: archaebob

This is cute.

Fluff.

Okay, I'll do that right away.

Vote: archaebob

Good boy.

archaebob is agreeing with my vote on him...

inb4jester

This has departed from cute and is now stupid.

I literally have no response to this.

i dont really have a meta tbh. I play differently depending on how im feeling. I think one thing that reigns supreme throughout all m games, is that i'm a terrible day one-r. Almost every game i attract some sort of attention on me day one. I am at least putting content forward, i apologize for the bad typing, im not feeling that great and not paying much attention.

Does anyone else notice how Demon is pretty much worshipping bob? no one finds that even a little suspicious? i think it warrants a wagon at least

Oh, I've noticed, but to whom do you think it is deserving a wagon of? bob, or Demon?

This is a little more interesting. I don't usually go after people for buddying, but that is very much what it looks like here. He saw someone else who agrees with his pseudo suspicion of archaebob and jumped on it. He has made no previous mention of suspecting DemonHybrid, but now he's on to him! Can't you see him smiling while he writes that?

Oh, and the burden of proof for your vote is on you. You should be justifying it, not waiting for it to be unjustified. Be an active player.

Just because I may not have mentioned DH, does not mean I never found him suspicious.

@ nintendo -

I'm not sure he suspects me at all. That's the whole point.

And you didn't answer my question from before. What are you accomplishing with your vote?

Right now, it's not doing much of anything, it seems.

UNVOTE:

Your vote isn't accomplishing anything so you just get rid of it? You don't vote somewhere else maybe? You do, but not until a few posts later. That means you weren't reading anybody except archaebob at that point. If you had been, you would have been able to switch your vote more efficiently to another significant read rather than going back to find out who else has been suspicious. This is VERY indicative of scum play. You watch one player and argue with/vote them to appear to be active. Interesting.

Yeah, I am usually multi-tasking on the computer and not always able to do one thing exclusively. But for this post, I make an exception.

Nintendo, please think about why you want to vote me. Is it solely because I have been lurking? Does that make me scum? Normally lurking is actually somewhat of a scumtell from me, but if you check my other games on here I have been similarly inactive the last few days. Ignoring my lurking up until this point...why would you want to vote me?

Like I said, the vote on you was to ensure you would actually post something. Seeing as you have, I'll UNVOTE: .

Oh, but wait, something stood out to me in that wall:

I suppose it's possible that he is a very good scum player trying to take charge from the beginning of the game... How anyone reads bob as scum is beyond me.

What's this? Saying bob could be scum, and in the same post, showing disbelief that anyone could see bob as scum?

What is this I don't even...

wtf? ................

I don't know what it is that you don't get. Be more specific.

IF YOU HAVE SKIPPED EVERYTHING UP TO THIS POINT, PLEASE READ THIS NEXT PART.

If you need to move on... then move on. Yes, I am bothered by his lack of content, he is usually more active. But in another completed game I played with Pine, (Mini 1156) he turned out to be scum, so his lack of activity here is a towntell for him.

As for me not liking your play, I'll have to get into that later as I am going out the door.

I saved this for last, because it is BY FAR the most interesting tid bit in Nintendo's play.

Most importantly, you make a meta argument. This meta argument is based on exactly one game. Pine posted lots as scum, and little now. Therefore he is playing differently than he did as scum, and therefore he is most likely town.

That's exactly what I am trying to say. So what if it was only from one game? It is a

drastic

change in his style.

archaebob (who you are still voting at this point in the thread) posted a town meta game a long fucking time ago in which he plays almost

exactly

as he is playing now. Clearly you accept the value of meta, yet you ignore archaebob's cited meta for your own purposes. That my friend is fabricated reasoning, and that is scum play.

Honestly I haven't found the time, I've been rather busy with a few things.

vote: Nintendoaddict1

The other people who seem scummy to me are hiplop (gut read mostly, haven't read him in iso yet), Pine, and Maaayyyyybeeee ace.

Archaebob, heliman, and to a lesser extent Barry Allen are town.

Any reasons on why you think those others are scummy? Or do I get special treatment for some reason?

[nintendoaddict1]

Like I said earlier, I'll get to them when I'm done with you.

Any reason I come first?

[nintendoaddict1]

Any reason I come first?

Any reason you chose to respond only to the single most inconsequential part of that entire post?

Because in your post you only quoted back one layer, thus just showing my comments without the previous quotes. To properly respond I will need to go back and read my post and then check yours to see the subject your talking on for that part. I don't have the time for that right now.

[nintendoaddict1]

Like I said earlier, I'll get to them when I'm done with you.

Really? You can't keep up with multiple reads and cases at once? Or are you just tunneling me now?

[nintendoaddict1]

Really? You can't keep up with multiple reads and cases at once? Or are you just tunneling me now?

You've got nothing better to say? Come on man, get with it. You're getting shitted on and trying to wait for it to go away.

Way to dodge the questions, foil. At this time, no. I don't at all believe it will go away simply because I ignore it.

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Okay, if a few people stand out to you, why don't you post your analysis on them as well?

My post was already a bleeding wall mate. I didn't have the patience to make it any bigger, and I would be just about guaranteeing that nobody would read it. I'll get to everyone else when I'm done with you.

I didn't take it seriously, cause I knew it was RVS. And wait, you're saying you would not have taken it seriously either? So how does that make you town, but make me scum?

You put some amount of thought into how best to respond to diffuse the issue. That is taking it seriously.

Actually, it was a response to someone asking why I labeled it RVS. Should I ignore questions asked of me?

I'm intentionally taking this out of context. I simply wanted to expose your view. When, where, and why you said that are not relevant.

Exactly. I know all votes are RVS at first. Why is saying 'RVS' in front of my vote strange? Oh, and nice buddying on bob, there. Where did I say anything remotely like that paraphrase?

You're trying to deflect this onto me buddying archaebob. Stop that. It's unbecoming.

It's strange in that it serves a purpose that only one alignment could reasonably be interested it. Is it the end of the world? No. Does it make you automatically scum? No, but it sure helps towards that.

If it makes you feel better, I don't plan to lynch you on the basis of you labeling your RVS vote.

I'm not going to do quote walls because they make me angry, but the "cute" and "stupid" bits should be self explanatory. I'm fairly confident everyone else will pick up on my meaning.

Just because I may not have mentioned DH, does not mean I never found him suspicious.

So?

Yeah, I am usually multi-tasking on the computer and not always able to do one thing exclusively. But for this post, I make an exception.

I fail to see how this is an adequate response to my post.

I don't know what it is that you don't get. Be more specific.

*sigh* Why would you unvote him right when you found something suspicious? By structuring your post that way you're guaranteeing that he won't take your new concern seriously since he is under no pressure at all to answer it. That means you're less concerned with his reaction, which in turn means you're more concerned with how your post will cause you to be perceived.

That's exactly what I am trying to say. So what if it was only from one game? It is a drastic change in his style.

Good, so we've further established your faith in meta.

Honestly I haven't found the time, I've been rather busy with a few things.

Bullshit. Archaebob said exactly why he linked that game and what it would say. You knew without even having to read it

Any reasons on why you think those others are scummy? Or do I get special treatment for some reason?

Like I said earlier, I'll get to them when I'm done with you.

1. Okay, fair enough.
2. Spin in that way if you like.
3. If you are intentionally taking it out of context, why did you even bring it up in your argument/case against me?
4. You dodged my second question there, foil. It's unbecoming of you.
5. So what?
6. My point was that I didn't have time to think of who I would rather vote, because I have a life outside of MS.
7. Because I only voted him to pressure him into posting content like he said he would, but failed to before.
8. Okay.
9. Whoop-dee-shit. Of course he will link a game where he was town if he wants to look town. Not saying he is scum, but that post where he linked an old game does not magically make him town.
10. How about now? You ready to move on?

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So for Pine meta is gold. I asked him that question several times and never got a different answer. For archaebob though, meta is unreliable. That is an inconsistency, and why I am voting you.

I never said for sure Pine was town, and the only reason I am using meta on Pine is because I was actually in the game with him, but I have never been in a game with bob before, so how am I supposed to know whether or not he is just playing those of us who are newer on the site?

[nintendoaddict1]

The point I'm trying to make is that town (namely me) can have an honest motivation to defend other town (namely you) even when they don't need it.

How are you so sure that bob is town?

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Honestly, I think you should out your partner DH. If you get night killed, that person is then clear at least. Plus, hard claiming a partner makes it more difficult on you in the cases that you are scum.

Isn't the whole point of being a Mason to clear each other? If he outs whoever is the other half, they could just as easily both be scum. Although, that could happen even if the other half claims.

[nintendoaddict1]

This is a lie.

I present to the jury three town games and a scum game, none of which feature Nintendoaddict feeling the need to preface his vote with an "RVS:" If it's scummy that he felt the need to do so, it's even

more

scummy that he felt the need to lie about why he was doing it.

You said it yourself, one of those games I was scum, so why is it incriminating that I started doing it? How do you know I just didn't do it before, and only started recently doing it? Where I started playing mafia, they

always

label RVS votes so I probably just got used to automatically labeling them so.

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Pine, just because he seems to like jumping whenever anyone points so much as a finger in his direction, regardless of the fact that he's on V/LA.

Even though he is V/LA he cannot quote posts, thus he cannot make a defense. Why you want to kill him now, especially after he posted basically saying that, is beyond me.

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Whoever said I wanted to kill him now? I said I was fine with killing him. At this point I'm not especially comfortable with killing anyone but I also know it's pretty much necessary to gain information. He's acted pretty scummy up until now regardless of the fact that he can't give us any detailed information because of his behaviour.

You are either for or against a Pine lynch. Don't fencesit. You said you are fine with it, thus are in favor, correct?

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3.

But, Pine is still V/LA and even though 1 day is left and "he's semi-posting" I would rather wait for a defense before switching a vote.

I don't believe in going to L-1 where a quickhammer can end the discussion (and phase) without a reasonable chance to defend. That being said, things are now different thanks to Bob's change of vote. We are now at L-3, not L-2. Further, I am very disappointed that Pine seems to be able to stay active on thread while "V/LA" but wants us to wait 48 hours for a defense. Given that I will

Unvote hiplop

VOTE: Pine

Now, bob, we are back at L-2. I didn't (and don't) mind taking us to L-2 before a defense. I just wasn't ready to go to L-1 and allow a quickhammer before a reasonable chance for a defense was given.

You still ignore the fact that you said you would rather wait for a defense, and then say you are disappointed that he wants us to wait another two days.

VOTE: Barry Allen

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@Archaebob: It is scummy because he claimed to have a habit of labeling RVS votes in order to justify labeling his RVS vote. Valern is showing that he does not have that habit, therefore he fabricated a reason for doing something in order to make himself appear town. I can't see why you aren't jumping on this.

And why would I feel the need to suddenly fabricate something I did not feel the need to before?

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I do, but keep in mind that Nintendo is

not

a newbie.

@Nintendo: To lessen the heat on you because that is what nervous scum do.

If I was scum, why would I be nervous on D1?

[nintendoaddict1]

If you were town why would you need to make something up in order to justify a vote?

When did I do that?

[nintendoaddict1]

I do, but keep in mind that Nintendo is

not

a newbie.

@Nintendo: To lessen the heat on you because that is what nervous scum do.

If I was scum, why would I be nervous on D1?

You still haven't answer this...

[nintendoaddict1]

You claimed that you often label your RVS votes. You did this to justify labeling your RVS vote. You needed to justify it because archaebob was voting you and interrogating you. Valern showed that you do not label your RVS vote.

And when did I say I

always

label my RVS votes?

[nintendoaddict1]

You used the word

usually

when the correct term would have been

never

. If I am wrong, then please link me to 5 games in which you have labeled your RVS vote. That would constitute more than the amount Valern linked us to and would validate your use of the term

usually.

If you can't, than at list link us to one or two so we can accept the term

sometimes

.

I don't know if you will be able to see the link, you may need an account on the site, but here it is anyway:

http://nsider2.com/forums/index.php?sho ... 5102&st=70

Go to Reply #77, I am Toxin_Edge on there.

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I disagree. The ONLY reason one would have to tell such a lie is to appear less scummy. HOWEVER, if you read the game he linked he uses the same format there. "RVS: So and So," which means he wasn't actually lying and the case is null anyways.

I wasn't lying = null. Wow, nice logic.

[nintendoaddict1]

I wasn't lying = null. Wow, nice logic.

Yes, nintendo. Why wouldn't it be?

Because scum lie and I didn't?

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he could be mafia RBer quite easily...

Here's a recently completed game I was in where there was a mafia RB and they claimed town RB.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3106933

Reply 814 he claims.

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EBWOP: Yeah, I haven't posted for about three whole pages because MS is silly. They e-mail me ONCE if there is a new post on the thread, and if I miss that one e-mail, well, I have to catch up on almost a hundred posts...

[nintendoaddict1]

Unvote

Why don't you buy the claims, bob? I know the RB claim was a bit sketchy, but what about Barry?

[nintendoaddict1]

I'll get to Barry Allen tomorrow. My vote was poorly timed pressure and I'm not prepared to make a case that will shift the tide of this lynch.

I would prefer to hear from a replacement, but it doesn't seem that that is going to happen.

unvote, vote: Pine

And that is a lock... why the hell lynch a claimed PR?

FoS foil

If there is a vig, you've got a target named foil.

[nintendoaddict1]

Barry, so you visited arch, and only one person appeared?

That means either: scum Didn't target archbob or
We have a jailkeeper

I think you are confusing Tracker with Watcher.

A Tracker follows one person, seeing who they target, a Watcher stays with one person, seeing who targets them.

Also,

Vote: foil

Hammering our RB was very anti-town.

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@Hiplop

gonna assume mafias kill got blocked, and a vig of some sort killed DH.

This is... What? No vig in his right mind would ever kill a mason N1, he's too valuable. Plus, mafia almost always prioritizes killing PR town before aggressive town, especially one that can make himself confirmed town at any time by outing his partner.

@Nintendoaddict

VOTE: Nintendoaddict11

I'll get to Barry Allen tomorrow. My vote was poorly timed pressure and I'm not prepared to make a case that will shift the tide of this lynch.

I would prefer to hear from a replacement, but it doesn't seem that that is going to happen.

unvote, vote: Pine

And that is a lock... why the hell lynch a claimed PR?

FoS foil

If there is a vig, you've got a target named foil.

This post Nintendo made after the hammer is a huge scum read. First, he never bitched about the Pine wagon the whole time town's votes on him were building and held his tongue on the whole matter only until after pine was hammered. That's pretty scummy in it's own right. BUT THEN, and this is the important part, he FoS'd Foil and asked for him to be vigged BEFORE PINE FLIPPED TOWN. Only scum could know that pine was town before he died.

I FoS'd him because he hammered a claimed Town PR, and that makes me scummy? On top of him claiming, I said why I thought Pine was town earlier in the thread, go back and read it.

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There's no acknowledgement at all that Pine might possibly have been scum.

Actually, there was.

he could be mafia RBer quite easily...

Here's a recently completed game I was in where there was a mafia RB and they claimed town RB.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3106933

Reply 814 he claims.

Unvote

Why don't you buy the claims, bob? I know the RB claim was a bit sketchy, but what about Barry?

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On top of him claiming, I said why I thought Pine was town earlier in the thread, go back and read it.

I said you never spoke out against the wagon. The entire reason pine was lynched was because he put off a big argument for the longest time and then just role claimed instead. In fact, you also said yourself in #666 that "the RB claim was a bit sketchy."

Sketchy? Yes. Unbelievable? No.

[nintendoaddict1]

Reason enough to lynch? I, and six other players say yes.

What about it? Good for you, the seven of you lynched a townie. And yet I'm the one who looks scummy here.

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Because according to you the 7th person to vote is somehow deserving a vig kill before we even know the flip.

No, just the hammer happened to be the 7th. And it was a

claimed PR

, how many times do I need to say that?

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Apparently as much as you can once pine is already dead. We didn't see you doing that yesterday, did we?

Yes, actually, I did do that yesterday.

why the hell lynch a claimed PR?

Oh, and Foil, I still think it's better to NL than to lynch someone who was probably town and a PR. If they were VT, however, it would not be as much of a loss, and would only be a null tell on you.

[nintendoaddict1]

All right, I'm the

Sensor

.

[nintendoaddict1]

OK, then, how many scum were on the BW yesterday?

2 scum.

[nintendoaddict1]

@Nintendo
What warranted Foil to be vigged for having dropped a hammer vote?

*facepalm*

You haven't been reading.
Pine was a claimed PR, that's what.

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@Nintendo
Is that all you have to say? Do you stand by what you said and still find Foil to be extremely guilty enough to warrant a kill?

Sure I do, if he was scum, what better opportunity to get rid of a possible PR.

[nintendoaddict1]

Sure I do.

[nintendoaddict1]

Barry allen is the scum, Can't believe i didnt realize this.

I think you are confusing Tracker with Watcher.

A Tracker follows one person, seeing who they target, a Watcher stays with one person, seeing who targets them.[/vote]

Given the description of the night kill (saying the player was shot), I would also guess we either have a vig or a serial killer out there. That means we have a doc who protected us from a maf kill - and I do not want to risk outing a doc by revealing the full report. Here's what I will say:

The player I tracked last night visited Archebob.

We no longer have a roleblocker, and Archebob is still alive after being visited. That means that the player who targeted him is likely our Doc. The only other alternative I can think of is mafia roleblocker (if one is even in the game), but that would make no sense. A maf RB would have wanted to keep me from getting a report. That means I likely tracked the doc.

Tracker sees who someone targets, this post hes saying someone visited archaebob.

Scumslip costs you the game

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Barry


Archae, Sensor is VERY common fakeclaim offsite. Pretty much every community ive seen uses it a lot, that said i believe him

hiplop, I think you are not reading what he said correctly. The person he tracked visited bob. That's what a Tracker does.

[nintendoaddict1]

Warning: unrelated.


I just noticed, hiplop... you live about 60km away from me.

[nintendoaddict1]

Warning: unrelated.


I just noticed, hiplop... you live about 60km away from me.

lmao where abouts do you live?

Yeah, Bob and Barry are scum together: case coming tomorrow

Milverton, 15 minutes North of Stratford.

[nintendoaddict1]

lmao i just drove through there last saturday. Thats cool.

Well i sleep, i urge everyone to think about what i just said last post, Bob/Barry allen

And you didn't stop for tea? Shame on you. =P

[nintendoaddict1]

Calling Doc protection.

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I guess this might hurt us if he is outing specifically doc in a game with no mafia roleblocker.

Whoops, how would you know if there is a mafia RB or not?

[nintendoaddict1]

@ nintendoaddict -

You haven't been posting recently. Why?

Also, I assume by your request for protection that you think there is a doctor in this game. Is there some reason you think this?

Been playing EVE and have been otherwise busy today. I don't know if there is, but in case there is, I'd like to be protected.

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Ignoring all reads and looking at this from a completely neutral 50/50 of each lynch being scum:

However, BA is also the one out of the three I have the town read on.

Wait... what? Everyone: read that quote slowly and get back to me.


Foil why the hell did you claim?

Vote: ace

foil and ace are scum. Well there's our two scum on the Pine wagon.

[nintendoaddict1]

Ignoring all reads

and looking at this from a completely neutral 50/50 of each lynch being scum:

However, BA is also the one out of the three I have the

town read

on.

Bolded for emphasis.

[nintendoaddict1]

@Nintendo
So he contradicted himself, is there anything else you wanted to say?

Contradiction =/= scum.

[nintendoaddict1]

ill hammer sometime tomorrow. Just letting you guys know.

Why wait until tomorrow? ace and foil are obviously both scum together.

Unvote, Vote: foil

[nintendoaddict1]

2 scum on the wagon again. Let's see here:

Pine - 7 (ace5993, Giitah, Scumhunter, archaebob, Barry Allen, Heliman, foilist13) 2 scum
foil - 6 (ace5993, archaebob, xvart, Scumhunter, Barry Allen, nintendoaddict1) 2 scum

Okay, so foil was scum, which means ace, SH, bob, or BA could be the other scum on the first wagon. This clears Giitah and Heliman, as neither of them was on the second lynch, yet, two scum were on it. These games usually have three scum, which means that xvart is confirmed scum.

Vote: xvart

[nintendoaddict1]

EBWOP, actually it means Scumhunter or Ace is the last one. But due to yesterdays events, its ace

Any reason you don't think it's bob or BA?

[nintendoaddict1]

Pine - 7 (ace5993, Giitah, Scumhunter,

archaebob

, Barry Allen, Heliman,

foilist13

) 2 scum
foil - 6 (ace5993,

archaebob

, xvart, Scumhunter, Barry Allen,

nintendoaddict1

) 2 scum
Never voted on a lynch: Valern, Hiplop

Nintendo, can you quickly explain to me how xvart is most definitely scum?

Think about it: a game with 13 people will have three scum. The foil wagon had two scum. Meaning, that both remaining scum were on the foil wagon. Now, on the Pine wagon, there was two scum, one being foil himself. ace, SH, bob and BA were all on both wagons. At least one of them is scum, the other scum is the only other one besides those four and myself on the foil wagon.

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I have no idea why scum would kill bob over such a strong pr like sensor. /facepalm if nintendo is real.

Guess the Doc listened, then.

@nintendo, bob is dead. it could be BA though I doubt it.

Oh yeah. -_-"

[nintendoaddict1]

Desperate scum is desperate. Trying to bring me down with him.

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Um yeah, not buying this. There's no way in hell nintendo's telling the truth. The role is so blatantly overpowered it's a joke. He has 1 scum "found" and cleared 5 people. On D3. No way. And scum not NK'ing nintendo because there's supposedly a DOCTOR?!? Not possible.

Vote: nintendoaddict1

There's already so many roles flying around, and you doubt there could be a Doc? Don't outguess the mod, ace.

[nintendoaddict1]

There's already so many roles flying around, and you doubt there could be a Doc? Don't outguess the mod, ace.

This is a logical fallacy.

[(There are a lot of exposed power roles) THEREFORE (there is a doctor)] is not logically consistent.

If anything, the abundance of roles would mean it is less likely there is a doctor because the town would be way overpowered. Of course, that assumes that nobody is lying about their role, but we both know that isn't true which makes your assumption that there is a doctor even more scum biased because you know the known roles are filled with fake claims so it is possible there is a doctor.

And have you considered that there are scum PR's to balance all of those roles out?

[nintendoaddict1]

@ scumhunter - you and I both posted messages indicating we were sorry if the vote turned out wrong. That's not unusual in these rounds. What IS unusual is that your post reads almost as if you

weren't one of the people who voted for the lynch

. In fact,

you seem to be making an argument against the lynch after the hammer but before the results were known

. Please explain yourself.

wtf... xvart was supposed to be scum...

[nintendoaddict1]

I think I know what happened, though. There must be a Framer who was on xvart N2.

In any case, 1 scum on the xvart wagon.

[nintendoaddict1]

It's not necessary for me to say I told you so at this point, is it?

Nintendo, your attempts at trying to justify yourself are pathetic. It's a failed gambit, now drop the act.

It's not an act, I seriously don't know what happened.

[nintendoaddict1]

In any case, 1 scum on the xvart wagon.

@ Valern ^

[nintendoaddict1]

Oh, and by the way:

Self-hammer

[nintendoaddict1]

I'm not sure if that counts as a vote so someone unvote NOW.

Fine,

Vote: nintendoaddict1

[nintendoaddict1]

Proves he's scum, cutting off debate before we can do additional scumhunting today.

That's some real interesting stuff. But you didn't self-hammer, I did so wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

[nintendoaddict1]

Proves he's scum

You're saying self-hammering in and of itself is NOT indicting?

[nintendoaddict1]

You're simply playing a smart scum.

Thank you.

P.Edit: No, it was hammer, too bad for yooooooooooou.

[nintendoaddict1]

Also ftr I was "loooooooooooooooool"ing at nintendo saying I was the "one scum on the xvart wagon".

Never said it was you, I was pointing out a post I had already made.

[nintendoaddict1]

In any case, 1 scum on the xvart wagon.

@ Valern ^

I was DIRECTING your attention to that post, not saying it was about you.

[nintendoaddict1]

There is a maf roleblocker that and a one-shot scum neighborizer that we've already gotten

That's interesting. Who said anything about a maf roleblocker?

[nintendoaddict1]

Lmfao, thanks for that one Nintendo. ^^

To what 'one' are you referring?

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@nintendo: oh. NOT LIKE IT MATTERS BECAUSE IT'S SCUMMY WIFOM LOL.

Exactly.

[nintendoaddict1]

vote: nintendo

Question at those more experienced than I on here: How likely is it for there to be 4 scum in a mini normal?

I already hammered myself, SH.

[nintendoaddict1]

Yeah, go scum, yada yada. =P

[nintendoaddict1]

wtg DH for pinning me, though I killed you the same night. GG to everyone, bob, you especially were a strong town player, thus we needed you gone.