NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

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Vote Shattered Viewpoint

for having a long name

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vote zdenk

I also realized vezok and chkflip were not pro town and I attacked them both from early on. Plus I did a pretty good fake hammer in that game. I thought vezok was the sk and chkflip was the scum.

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Where's the link to the game? Also, mods can make mistakes. They're human. They may have inferred it as that. Scum still could have(and probably would have) won if the game was based on the result of one night kill.

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Serious note: Can someone explain the proposed lynch on DavidParker? Sounds similar to the attitudes I recall about Deity Kabuto.

Lynching DK is always the right thing to do.

So for anyone playing at home, here is why I'm voting zde
1. Suggesting a PL to begin with

According to you, Dk is someone who must be lynched as a policy lynch but suggesting a policy lynch is scummy.

Unvote
Vote Beck

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Pine The only thing aggressive from me is my scum hunting and i haven't distracted anyone. As for the case on zde, usually when people dont understand things, they would typically ask questions to try and understand. Clearly you have no interest in finding out the reasons or you would have asked about it already.

I don't like slandar's constant attempt to diffuse a wagon on zde, wagons are useful, this one is turning out to be useful.

What scumhunting? Please point out where you have done ANY. The case on zdenek doesn't count, because it's absolutely bullshit. Quit inflating your own usefulness.

@Slandaar: Not understanding a case isn't scummy, it's NOT UNDERSTANDING. And understood the acctual case just fine, I just find it completely weaksauce, and am at a loss to understand how it has built a wagon. Also, Jesters are verboten in Normal games.

Case on zdenek makes a lot of sense.
1.He goes for a serious policy lynch, tries backing it up, then says it was a joke
2.He immediately backs away from it after some pressure starts building up on him.

Case on Beck
My last post showed that his attack on zdenek about policy lynches was bad as he said he would do them himself if a certain person was playing.

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@Beck
1.If you were the most obv town player, people won't be voting you
2.Calm down

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Serious note: Can someone explain the proposed lynch on DavidParker? Sounds similar to the attitudes I recall about Deity Kabuto.

Lynching DK is always the right thing to do.

So for anyone playing at home, here is why I'm voting zde
1. Suggesting a PL to begin with

According to you, Dk is someone who must be lynched as a policy lynch but suggesting a policy lynch is scummy.

Unvote
Vote Beck

My vote

did

have a reason. No offense meant but you were being hypocritical.

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EBWOP:You were also attacking zdenek at the start for his policy lynch plan calling it a scumtell yet allow policy lynches if a certain person is there.

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You honestly think that's a valid reason?

Umm re-look at my vote. I said my vote was a policy lynch vote, I didn't say it was a scumtell

PL a player because they were bad in 1 game is horrible

PL the most blacklisted player and someone who purposely trolls games and plays against his wincon, is the right thing to do.

Pretty sure it was bad in one post in that game. For some reason(not sure why) I thought he was inventor the whole game.

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If I'm PL'ing zde and advocating a PL of DK, that isn't hypocritical, thus invalidating your reason for voting me

You are going for his pl? I thought it was voting him because of his policy lynch idea.

Unvote Beck

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Vote SS17

Has not done anything since his random vote.

[sorgster]

Vote SS17

Has not done anything since his random vote.

Do you find everyone who has posted content to be town?

No, I find beck highly suspicious. I'm just trying to get more people involved in this game.

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And scum should be shooting at people they think are PR, not people they think are just "town". In your scenario, it makes it easier for vanillas to do their job and lead town during day.

People who claim pr should be shot at by town too. There is a good chance scum would claim pr compared to vt because if they claim vt, town will take the risk. If they claim pr, they will have doubts about whether it is okay to lynch them or not.

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Thought you were implying it. I inferred it incorrectly whoops.

[sorgster]

Zdenek's gone quiet after the pressure went off him

Unvote
Vote zdenek

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And scum should be shooting at people they think are PR, not people they think are just "town". In your scenario, it makes it easier for vanillas to do their job and lead town during day.

People who claim pr should be shot at by town too. There is a good chance scum would claim pr compared to vt because if they claim vt, town will take the risk. If they claim pr, they will have doubts about whether it is okay to lynch them or not.

Disagree. Vanilla is the most risk free claim for mafia, and therefore also the most common.

In every game I've played in scum have claimed pr. Pr claims help make them seem more important.

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Why are you obvtown? If a lie is repeated enough times people start believing it and I'm starting to think you are scum using those tactics.

Unvote
Vote Zelink

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Beck, my advice to you is to get off the computer for an hour or two, calm down. Reread the thread without bias and then analyze it.

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Beck I said it was advice. Also can you in one post put your complete case against those you are attacking with evidence

[sorgster]

Beck I said it was advice. Also can you in one post put your complete case against those you are attacking with evidence

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Click the ""Show"" button Beck

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Lynch all Liars. You claimed your first post was a joke because it was beneficial for it to be one.

Unless you can explain what's so humorous about sorgster's play in 1531

I was using the word joke to day that it was not a serious policy lynch.

Do you think that all

lies/gambits

by town are scummy?

First you have evidence with it and call a policy lynch.
Then you claim it was a joke.
Now it is a gambit.

You say something different each time you get pressured about it. Adding that to the fact that you haven't said much else other than the pl concerns

Unvote
Vote zdenek

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We have 7 scum of 22 people? You have got to be kidding me. I played in a game with 35 people once and that had 4 scum a vig and a sk. Stop going crazy.

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[quote="In post 610, Beck"

by my count that is 7 different people, and by your own words you think we probably have 7 scum (I'd say anywhere between 5 to 7 scum)

so say we have 7 scum, and I have voted 7 people, what is the problem?
[/quote]

Not only revenus.

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by my count that is 7 different people, and by your own words you think we probably have 7 scum (I'd say anywhere between 5 to 7 scum)

so say we have 7 scum, and I have voted 7 people, what is the problem?

Not only revenus.

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If there's anyone I'd consider PLing in this game, it's you, Beck.

Are you considering it? He's making this thread a one man show rant. We need everyone involved to hope to find scum

Unvote
Vote Beck

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We aren't going to get anywhere in this game with him.

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I'm tired of my vote pointlessly sitiing on Pops. He's still scum, but I can use it better.

Vote Slandaar

Sheeping now. Every time zdenek posts, he seems like scum.

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Then share it with us 0 wise one.

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I swear, am I going to have to lead you little children by the hand this entire fucking game? If so, please just tell me now, so I can clear my schedule.

So you are bluffing.

Unvote
Vote Shattered

Tell us the obvious wise one.

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He's explaining his trolling.

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Sorgster, you seem to keep jumping on every available wagon. However, I have to agree that SV is an idiot. For fucks sake, you can't get it right this early. If you do, its a guess. You are bluffing.

VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint

YES, I'VE GOT SCUM. I'M JUST THAT GOOD!
Stop being cocky as fuck. Please.

Who started that wagon? I didn't notice he had been voted on before.

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Beck, can you please explain how I've been generally useless in my posts and how my votes are terrible? Please use concrete examples.

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@sorg, your first vote on me was based on you misunderstanding what I said, than you vote zde, which is fine, your vote on zel was retarded, your vote on zde again is fine, you vote me bad vote, you vote shattered which is fine, however looking at the content between your posts, it's basically tunneling on zde, stupid 2 votes, and voting shattered

I don't read your iso and see any good scum hunting on anyone other than zde.

You would obviously be biased about my vote on you.

If someone starts saying I'm obvtown and nothing else, I consider that active lurking. Also, if a lie is told enough times people start believing it. I refuse to let scum slip through using that method.

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@sorg, your first vote on me was based on you misunderstanding what I said, than you vote zde, which is fine, your vote on zel was retarded, your vote on zde again is fine, you vote me bad vote, you vote shattered which is fine, however looking at the content between your posts, it's basically tunneling on zde, stupid 2 votes, and voting shattered

I don't read your iso and see any good scum hunting on

anyone other than zde

.

Ok fine, but your votes really aren't helping the flow of the game.

Your

2nd vote on me was never going to take off

, so it was wasted. You seem to turn to shattered and zel, when others turn their attention to them.

I haven't seen a Good

case from you on anyone, yet

.

And about the second vote on you, day phase isn't close to ending. There aren't major bandwagons. Why are you so confident that you won't get many votes? Are you hoping that your scumbuddies will help you by calling you vi or whatever and deflect attention to others?

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EBWOP:Look at the last statement in each of those quotes, a clear contradiction there.

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I eagerly await the

final posts

from username and hope that faraday performs better than the other experienced players.

Final posts? Are you planning to kill them this night phase?

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I must have missed that post then beck. My mistake.

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Actually Pine/Slaandar, would you guys be down with a Beck lynch? At worst we lynch town d1 which although unfortunate, happens all the time to far better players than Beck. At best we get rid of scum who has been mass posting in a disruptive manner, and is seriously allowing almost everyone to just pop in and comment on him. It will certainly clear up the game flow. This is just a proposition, but Beck is far and away the

most antitown

player in the game and I don't see any signs of improvement from him that will help us in the coming days.


And I'm fine with Hiraki and funkybike.

That's 385 and I agree with him on this. He's giving a good reason for this lynch and it should help the town the best to win. You agree with a special rule for dk about pls. Let's do this for beck.

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Beck I haven't seen anything in his play that suggests he is scum. Zdenek sounds like an opportunist and a good lynch. Soda has not posted much in this game which is starting to bug me because I've played a few games with him and he never lurks like this.

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It's innocent until found guilty, not the other way around.

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People who ignore someone playing the game better replace out now, if people are ignoring my case and reasons. Others have posted reasons too.

You shouldn't ignore any case, including mine

I absolutely can, since your cases have no substance. For example, here is a typical exchange

Beck: I'm fucking awesome. Fuck you people

Someone: Uh, calm down buddy

Beck: Fuck you too, you're scum

Someone: That's terrible scumhunting

Beck: Stop discrediting me. I'm scumhunting. You're lying. Therefore you're scum.

That sounds town motivated to me. He's explaining how beck reacts and how he's distracting the thread from finding scum. He insists upon stopping beck's spamming several times.

I'm hoping off to watch football, but to indicate where I want the lynch to go


UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sword_of_omens

Someone like screaming hawk who hasn't done anything needs pressure

I've changed my mind on Beck again. Even though he's an anti-town scrub who can't do anything except react and base his "scumhunting" on that (if you can even call that scumhunting), no good will come of his lynch.

UNVOTE:

However, we have people who have posted all of 4 times, and if say...these 4 posts were in any way insightful or contributing to the game at all, I'd be fine with that. However, we have people like Screaminghawk, who have 2 posts explaining why they need to vote davidparker, followed by a post that explains that Beck is pissing them off, followed by a stupid question that has nothing to do with anything. Seriously, if you're going to ask why Sky needs votes, then you need to follow that up with something

VOTE: Screaminghawk

Asking questions and clarifying how you feel on a player without explaining your thoughts on anything just makes you look like you're contributing, but you haven't.

He's voting on people to get more people involved in the game and pressuring them. Why would scum want this?

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I don't even need to explain the pine attacks. It happened ever since he suggested pl on you.
That was the start of your rev attacks.

Beck; that's dumb. Do you think that it makes them scum? If you're pushing it because the extension of them thinking your cases are wrong makes them scum, that's fine, but if you're going to attack them not because you think they're scum, but that you think they are simply attacking you, that is completely asinine, and therefore you are a detriment to the game. If you're going to just be straight up anti town, then I'm going to be voting you.

Anyone who cant use logic and words to demonstrate why my case is wrong, and calls me scum because of it, is either scum or a fucking vi who needs to die

Crackhead says im scum because my cases are bullshit or crap or whatever word he used. He doesn't bother to take the time to explain why they are wrong. I've dealt with this type of attitude before and got lynched day 1, by parama who was scum. He acted like gods gift to scum hunting and tried to make me look like an idiot.

If I'm wrong with my cases, tell me I'm wrong

But to say im auto scum cause I made bad cases (especially when they can't verbalize why it's wrong) is scum pushing a mislynch.

Crackhead has done nothing this game and now has claimed to catch all the scum?

HORSESHIT

And look here when hiraki says something bad about you

also, beck seems to get a lot of heat for how he plays fwiw i have no problem with it so far and see no reason for the hate.

I have no problem with it.

Doesn't mean that he's right.

You keep calling me wrong but you dont ever say why I'm wrong.

So instead of posting filler, explain it.

Everyone has shit on me because I've stopped being productive, but I've stopped being productive cause I've caught pine scum and nobody can explain why I'm wrong.

Re-read both pine and rev's iso and you will see almost identical things.

Neither is doing anything to catch scum.

And rev, instead of trying to explain why my case is wrong on pine, he just attacks me, misreps me, and tries to discredit me.

If anyone can find 1 useful post from either if them, please post it.

I also get this weird feeling that hiraki is with them

.

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This is the last time I'm gonna ask this, if you are town, please defend yourself or I'm going to do something stupid.

I am not playing a game where my top scum read just ignores me, I really cant beleive nobody is supporting me, which is all the more reason to do it.

Please, defend yourself.

P.edit - you realize that first part is no where close to accurate representation of my play? What's town motivated about an absolute mis-representation of my play.

2nd part - why would scum go after inactive people? Idk, I guess to appear to be scum hunting cause Lurkers are much easier to mislynch than active people perhaps?

I disagree that lurkers are much easier to lynch. Lurkers are much harder than active people to lynch imo.

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Sorry for triple post but you said appear to be scumhunting, that means he has been scumhunting. guess that makes your case on revenus null and void.

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Don`t want to make it more than 10 posts by the same person in a row.
What`s your opinion on zdenek faraday?

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I swear, am I going to have to lead you little children by the hand this entire fucking game? If so, please just tell me now, so I can clear my schedule.

So you are bluffing.

Unvote
Vote Shattered

Tell us the obvious wise one.

I refuse to remove my vote until he tells us the obvious.

[sorgster]

Ze1ink,SV and zdenek are the three I will be willing to lynch today. Even beck if needed.

[sorgster]

Zelink has done close to nothing other than say I'm obvtown everyone.

[sorgster]

Zelink has done close to nothing other than say I'm obvtown everyone.

many others have done similar

why specifically zel? calling himself town is scummy?

The calling himself town feels like a trap.

[sorgster]

It could be a psychological trap. I'm sure I've said this before but he can keep repeating he is town , and if he is scum, we will all think that he is obvtown or whatever since he's said it too many times.

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Unvote
Vote: ZeL1nK

The lady doth protest too much.

Explain this Pine, I expect better from you. (

Zelink IS and WAS obvtown

,) I don't buy for a second you believe that calling onself town is a scumtell so what gives?

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@Beck-says the other pot
@funky-Just because you unvoted someone does not mean they'll be friendly,etc to you.

[sorgster]

What are your opinions of zdenek? I really wish he'll be lynched

Unvote

Vote zdenek

I may jump back to the first vote if I don't get enough support for zdenek. I will happily lynch lurkers too.
Preferred lynches:
1.Zdenek
2.Shattered Viewpoint
3.sword of omens/sodaspirit(both lurkers, can't remember others if there are others)
4.Ze1ink(only for obvtown part, not very strong though)

[sorgster]

Why don't you do an iso of me and try backing that up?

[sorgster]

EBWOP:Also if I'm not protown then why isn't ur vote on me?

[sorgster]

I feel as if beck is biased towards those who attack him. I can easily back this up if evidence is wanted.

[sorgster]

80% of the game? More like 40%. I've focused on you much more than zdenek or about the same. I also was the one to start the sv bandwagon. What has zdenek done to convince me he is town? He hasn't done much at all and without pressure he won't do much. He was very scummy at the start too. Also we are nowhere near deadline so there is nothing wrong to try and start a new bandwagon.

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80% of the game? More like 40%. I've focused on you much more than zdenek or about the same. I also was the one to start the sv bandwagon. What has zdenek done to convince me he is town? He hasn't done much at all and without pressure he won't do much. He was very scummy at the start too. Also we are nowhere near deadline so there is nothing wrong to try and start a new bandwagon.

[sorgster]

EBWOP:Read the part after the sv bandwagon please.

[sorgster]

vote: soda

If there is a vig, or even a SK, you get town cred if you kill SV or hiraki tonight.

Soda iso is interesting. Definitely see him looking bad.

And my iso? I was expecting to see it.

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vote: soda

If there is a vig, or even a SK, you get town cred if you kill SV or hiraki tonight.

Soda iso is interesting. Definitely see him looking bad.

And my iso? I was expecting to see it.

I want evidence of my ''bad'' iso. Stop trying to throw mud on the wall hoping something sticks.

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Sounds like a good idea slandaar. Pretty sure I had him tied for third in my preferable lynches.

[sorgster]

unvote
vote beck

Where's that iso?

[sorgster]

You said it's pretty bad, back it up with evidence. Hurry up.

[sorgster]

Tell SV to do something useful and than I will, until then STFU

I'll tell him to do something useful after you do. More votes on beck please. I wish to know what was so bad about my iso. Stop throwing mud on the wall.

[sorgster]

As I'm completely ignoring you.(Sarcasm inserted there)

[sorgster]

lol I can count 100 useful posts from me.

Can you even post 10 useful posts in this game?

[sorgster]

mastin isn't that bad a player. I would give examples but I can't talk about ongoing games.

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Pine The only thing aggressive from me is my scum hunting and i haven't distracted anyone. As for the case on zde, usually when people dont understand things, they would typically ask questions to try and understand. Clearly you have no interest in finding out the reasons or you would have asked about it already.

I don't like slandar's constant attempt to diffuse a wagon on zde, wagons are useful, this one is turning out to be useful.

What scumhunting? Please point out where you have done ANY. The case on zdenek doesn't count, because it's absolutely bullshit. Quit inflating your own usefulness.

@Slandaar: Not understanding a case isn't scummy, it's NOT UNDERSTANDING. And understood the acctual case just fine, I just find it completely weaksauce, and am at a loss to understand how it has built a wagon. Also, Jesters are verboten in Normal games.

Case on zdenek makes a lot of sense.
1.He goes for a serious policy lynch, tries backing it up, then says it was a joke
2.He immediately backs away from it after some pressure starts building up on him.

Case on Beck
My last post showed that his attack on zdenek about policy lynches was bad as he said he would do them himself if a certain person was playing.

@Beck
1.If you were the most obv town player, people won't be voting you
2.Calm down

Vote SS17

Has not done anything since his random vote.

Why are you obvtown? If a lie is repeated enough times people start believing it and I'm starting to think you are scum using those tactics.

Unvote
Vote Zelink

If there's anyone I'd consider PLing in this game, it's you, Beck.

Are you considering it? He's making this thread a one man show rant. We need everyone involved to hope to find scum

Unvote
Vote Beck

i'm fine being lynched today actually, as long as when I flip town one of REV or SV is lynched tomorrow. I mean if I am not lynched I am going to be NK'd so may as well just get it over with now

That's a bad iso? WHAT?

[sorgster]

Hi mastin. There are a lot of posts. Can you please post reads after you finish reading this whole thread?

[sorgster]

@MOD-Who is mastin replacing in this game?

[sorgster]

Does anyone else notice beck's voting pattern?

[sorgster]

I'm pretty sure I mentioned this before but I'll say it again. He votes for whoever attacks him. Look at who sv was voting before beck voted him.

[sorgster]

Yeah. I feel like beck's whole play is scummy. I don't feel like isoing 350 posts though. I wonder what he has contributed to this game. That would be much easier for someone to state.

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I'm pretty sure I mentioned this before but I'll say it again. He votes for whoever attacks him. Look at who sv was voting before beck voted him.

I've voted people who didn't vote me, so thats a blatant lie.

Lynch all liars another day, lynch scum SV today

They can attack you without voting.

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Sorg, I just read your iso, it's pretty bad I can make a wall of everything scummy about your play thus far. When I get time on a pc, I'll show you what I'm talking about.

This is clearly intent to retaliate, though you never actually followed through and voted.

You do, actually, attack those who attack you, even if there's not much basis for the retaliation.

I still want this iso of mine which is so bad beck. May I please see what you got from your analyzation.

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oh are we back to lynching beck, i'm still down

Unvote

Vote:Beck

for many many reasons that i've gone over before.

Clearly you aren't reading cause I'm all but confirned town now.

Scum will and can softclaim. You are not all but confirmed town. I think that trolling/vi image is an act by you as scum.

Unvote
Vote rev

for the same reasons pine has

[sorgster]

Why do you wish to be modkilled? That doesn't help the town.

[sorgster]

You're too emotional to play mafia.

Go away.

Isn't that pushing for a modkill?

[sorgster]

And I haven't directed any night actions. I've laid down hypothetical situations where if I was a specific power role, then I would act in xx fashion in that situation.


And your last quote quotes me discussion scum night game theory, which I don't know why you brought up to defend your blatant attempts to direct protection to

town's worst player

.

So you know he's town? Another scumslip I believe.

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Actually for real, nobody be on me, I'm not afraid to die.

Now Rev, insult my intelligence again and we are going to have a serious problem.

Rev, you want to save yourself from a lynch?

Go back and defend yourself from all the people who voted you. Most people provided some sort of reason, I personally provided a bunch.

This is your final chance, defend yourself like any townie would want to do if they were about to get mislynched or please just sit back and take your lynch like a man. You haven't defended yourself all game and you have insulted anyone making a case on you.

This is serious, failure to defend yourself WILL result in your lynch.

agreed. DO NOT IGNORE THIS.

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EBWOP:Beck, I do not know you are town. You could be town or scum. I refuse to give conftown on anyone.

[sorgster]

Regardless of how bad a player is, that does not mean they are always wrong.

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You're not seeing the scumslip, Zel1nk. I'll break it down for you.

oh are we back to lynching beck, i'm still down

Unvote

Vote:Beck

for many many reasons that i've gone over before.

This post displays opportunism. Beck isn't getting lynched. We all know he isn't, and yet Revenus is willing to jump at any chance for our D1 lynch to be policy-based. Opportunism.

and no sane mafia is going NK you Beck as you are clearly not a power role.

This statement is fine, more or less, except that he's saying that no Mafia would kill Beck. This indicates that the first quote in this set of four is clearly policy-based, as it reveals a belief in Beck as Town.

also because you are mafia

Here's where it becomes a scumslip. Revenus confuses his motives, and tries to cover up for it by saying "Oh, but we should lynch you for being scum." WHAT? You just, effectively, called him Town. This is

major

cognitive dissonance

, of the sort that originates, with very few exceptions, from minds trying to pretend at scumhunting.

And you've also "confirmed" me as scum. Are you some dayvig daycop rolled into one?

This is plain-as-day rolefishing. What part of that is not clear? Beck has softclaimed a PR like a mofo, despite that being a stupid move. Here, Revenus is trying to goad Beck's frustration and generally gullible nature into a full claim, which would be a BAD THING for Town (are you listening Beck? Do not claim unless it becomes necesary). As it stands, the scum team must weigh the pros and cons of shooting Beck. He's softclaiming a strong PR, so they might want to get rid of him. On the other hand, softclaiming a PR can draw the Doc's protection (and Beck is probably not the Doc, as he requested protection), thereby negating their kill attempt. If there's a Town Watcher on Beck, it could be even worse in that they could lose a member. Et cetera. Softclaiming like this is one of the few types of WIFOM that works

for

the Town instead of against it. By attempting to trick Beck into claiming, Revenus is seeking to negate this advantage.

PE: Theam is simply maintaining his stated read. If Town, he is simply not convinced by the scum slip (though I hope this post sways him). If scum, he's just sticking to his story and choosing not to bus his buddy. It's not a shocker. Busing your buddy over this with a previously-stated Townread would be a poor, transparent move.

I see no defence to this post. You hit him on the rolefishing but not the scumslip.

[sorgster]

@Ze1ink, you can click display posts by and add every name other than mine to do so. Have fun.

[sorgster]

Revenus goes quiet again and we start forgetting about him.

[sorgster]

/confirming replacement and finished with the full read of day 1.

Whew.

So far, Pine's case in 1490 is very solid. I see no reason to change the vote I inherited. However, I'm interested in the case against Salaander. Doing some iso's after I get home from work tonight. I'll post something a little more thorough when I have the time.

For now, my vote stays.

Who are you replacing?

[sorgster]

I'm losing track of things, way too many posts here.

[sorgster]

What are your opinions of zdenek? I really wish he'll be lynched

Unvote

Vote zdenek

I may jump back to the first vote if I don't get enough support for zdenek. I will happily lynch lurkers too.
Preferred lynches:
1.Zdenek
2.Shattered Viewpoint
3.sword of omens/sodaspirit(both lurkers, can't remember others if there are others)
4.Ze1ink(only for obvtown part, not very strong though)

Take out soda and sword from there(I believe both are being replaced) from there and replace him with slandaar and revenus.

[sorgster]

Deadline is on Nov. 2. You won't get enough people for a new wagon revenus.

[sorgster]

Why in the world are there 77 pages on day 1? Wow. Too much spam in this thread. This is getting out of hand.

[sorgster]

Unvote
Vote Slandaar

He is giving up I guess.

[sorgster]

Slandaar seems like the only potential candidate for a lynch. More votes on slandaar,

[sorgster]

I think the mod would say the modkill occurred as of that post, though, nullifying later votes that lynch him. I wouldn't worry about it.

What if he is scum without hiraki? Then he won't be modkilled and people can think he is conftown or whatever.

[sorgster]

I want to hear more from toxic. Also, TheAD and Slaandaar were going against each other a lot day 1. Do you guys think that's town on town or scum on town?

[sorgster]

Vote Pine

I agree with revenus. Zdenek made a good case on him day 1 as well.

[sorgster]

And theamatuer, you're not looking any better.

Actually, theam has been looking better of late. You, on the other hand, are firmly off of my Town list and sinking through the neutral categories. Less for the mediocre reasons others have posted about you, and more due to your unflagging willingness to pursue any avenue of discussion ad infinitum, no matter how useless or distracting to the game.

It's innocent until found guilty, not the other way around.

Fallacy

. This is not a court of law, this is Mafia Scum. Here, you are presumed suspect until I have a

damn

good reason to believe otherwise.

e always felt "

Scum until proven Town

" was a very

scummy strategy

. Most of the ScreamingHawk wagon just smells funny to me. Oddly enough, Vijayscum's 2091 is the only decent reason I've seen from anyone on the SH wagon.

Inconsistency here.

[sorgster]

EBWOP:Ignore the first part of the first quote, didn't mean to quote that.

[sorgster]

I want to hear more from toxic. Also, TheAD and Slaandaar were going against each other a lot day 1. Do you guys think that's town on town or scum on town?

What do

you

think?

Not sure at that moment. There is a possibility of either. THAd is seeming a lot more suspicious because of it.

[sorgster]

Prove this with an iso funkybike

[sorgster]

Great deflection pine but can you please respond to zdenek's case on you first?

[sorgster]

theam
zdenek
revenus in one team

pine and 2 others in the other team.

[sorgster]

Theam and Rev I get. Why Zdenek?

Other than zdenek's case on pine he has been opportunistic.

[sorgster]

Unvote
Vote funnybike

Your reasoning for voting pine was bad to say the least.

[sorgster]

Couldn't revenus and beck be bussing each other on the same scumteam?

[sorgster]

Beck, assuming you are telling the truth about being a pr, then how was sv supposed to know about this at all? Beck and SV as part of a scumteam seem to make sense.

[sorgster]

If he got his head out of his ass and actually played, than maybe he would know what's going on in this game. He calls me scum cause I said I would policy lynch deity kabuto if he was playing. Well guess what? I would.

So now me and SV are a scum team? Just last page it was me and rev was a

possibility

. Unless you think all 3 are scum together.

I have another

interesting tidbit about you but

too much work to post it right now.

Post it soon. The last time you claimed to have a case against me, you didn't. You tend to attack those who attack you. I was all forgotten to you until I attacked you again. Anybody with anybody is a possibility for a scumteam.

How is beck confirmed town Pine?

[sorgster]

I don't think he is scum but confirmed town is a bit of a strech to say the least. The word confirmed makes it seem like a scumslip to me as town are only confirmed to scum.

Unvote
Vote Pine

[sorgster]

I remember him posting former games where he posted as much as he did here and was scum. That means he is not confirmed town.

[sorgster]

Unvote
Vote Rev

[sorgster]

theam
zdenek
revenus in one team

pine and 2 others in the other team.

That's the answer to that question beck

[sorgster]

That was the response to another question to who I thought was scum btw.

[sorgster]

If you can provide a good defence for revenus, I might be willing to lynch a lurker.

[sorgster]

I'm going to feel bad if beck was serious about that. I just had a game finished where scum lurked to victory. Town managed to nearly pull a comeback having killed no mafia without any mislynches left. Scum won with one of them left though.

[sorgster]

NY139:Underground Mafia

[sorgster]

In that game 2 scum lurked, one bussed and the other one survived till endgame.

[sorgster]

He's threatened to quit a bunch of times now and hasn't done it.

@ sorgster: I'm not going to write revenus' defense. That's a weird thing to ask.

May be weird but you're the one trying to deflect attention of him onto lurkers.
@Zelink, I switch votes a lot in every game I play(Look at any game I've played in). I don't care if people think it's scummy. Applying pressure is good.

[sorgster]

ThAD, you've never stated

why

you think rev is town.I did a quick iso of you. You attacked him a bit in the start. Only on post 1107 did you ever agree with him about anything. Why is he on your town list? It makes no sense unless you are both scumbuddies.

[sorgster]

ThAD, you've never stated

why

you think rev is town.I did a quick iso of you. You attacked him a bit in the start. Only on post 1107 did you ever agree with him about anything. Why is he on your town list? It makes no sense unless you are both scumbuddies.

sorg can you tell me if the following statement is true about you

you re-read TheAd's iso and only found post 1107 and the post where he was on

pine's

town list and there was nothing else.

please, let sorg answer this.

I was talking about thAD not pine.

[sorgster]

Also wasn't talking about town lists.

[sorgster]

town read of revenus not pine

[sorgster]

If revenus is scum, then ThAd is definitely his partner

[sorgster]

If revenus is a werewolf that would confirm that there are two scum teams. If he is mafia, at least we lynched scum

[sorgster]

Bad logic? Stating the obvious?

[sorgster]

I should explain, as I probably wasn't very clear. It sounds like Sorgster may be Mafiascum, and is eager to know whether or not he has competition. He knows he's Mafia, so he jumps to Werewolves as the possible opposition, not giving credit to the possibility that Werescum is the only team. It's entirely circumstantial, but it sticks out in an odd way. And odd in this context means suspect.

I've never heard of scumteams being called something that isn't mafia or werewolves.

[sorgster]

Then I was wrong about that. I thought normal games would only have scumteams called mafia and werewolves.

[sorgster]

Yeah, they do. It's in the Normal guidelines. But they can have two Mafia teams, or two Wolf teams if they want. That assumption that

theam

would flip Wolf if scum makes me think you might be Mafiascum.

I've never seen a game before where 2 scumteams were both called mafia or both called werewolf. I'm currently playing in 2 games with 1 scumteam of each.

I said revenus not theam. This is what I said:

[quote="In post 2505, sorgster"

]If revenus is a werewolf

that would

confirm

that there are

two scum

teams. If he is

mafia

, at least we lynched scum[/quote]

I believed that werewolves were only in games with 2 scumteams.

[sorgster]

bad quoting whoops. I hope you get the idea.

[sorgster]

It showed the same thing either way.

[sorgster]

Nvm, I thought there were 2 red mafia teams in ny 131 whoops. Ignore that statement

[sorgster]

If revenus is a werewolf that would confirm that there are two scum teams. If he is mafia, at least we lynched scum

Why am I being misrepped here? I gave possibility for

both mafia and werewolf

and stated afterwards why I said this. I've explained why I believe werewolves and mafia if there are 2 scumteams.

@zelink, rev has a completely different play style going into day 2 and was pretty scummy to me day 1. I know that's a scum tell. Also, ThAD and rev are working together if rev flips scum because thAd was trying to deflect the attention away from revenus onto lurkers and whoever else. I even made a post earlier about wheter thAD and slandaar were town on scum or town on town.

[sorgster]

I think pine is town. As far as I can tell he doesn't put this much effort in when he's scum.

By the way, scum must be jumping in joy over how incompetent or uncaring 95% of the players are this game. Seriously, all they have to do is kill Pine, me, Slandaar, and sorgster and then ride Beck's impulsive no-content spam posting to victory. Everyone I didn't name, fucking step it up.

Chill out dude. This game is actually quite active. Remember: it's still early days and there's a long way to go.

Oh and sword of omens is probably scum. His first post going "oh hey zdenek glad to see you made it " is actually a huge scumtell.

How?

When I get to a pc, I'll explain why you are scum.

I've already explained why pine is scum

I'm sick and tired of people saying they are ignoring me, I'm making good points, I should not be ignored.

I'm not saying the game revolves around me, but when good points are being made they shouldnt be ignored.

I'm not going to get in to whether your points are bad or not, but you are being ignored by people because you keep hammering the same thing over and over and over again. It's not helpful for anyone else to read over the same stuff a bunch of times.

Also you are getting caught up in "right" and "wrong". This is a game where subjectivity plays a huge part. Unless you're scum you can't know the alignment of others and therefore can never truly be right and wrong. For example your case on pine is fine, it uses logic and is not invalid in any way - but I disagree with it because I believe pine is town.

I totally agree that it would be nice if Beck would shut the fuck up, but he's not scum.

You don't think Revenus was displaying any types of emotions?

I think the emotion he's displaying is rubbing his hands with glee as he watches the lunatic distracting everybody's attention by shitting himself all over the thread. If that counts as an emotion.

Take out the first and last sentence and I could maybe see that post coming from frustrated town, but as is, no.

I see where you are coming from but a lot of his other posts scream frustrated town to me. I honestly don't see scum playing it up to that extent. Your thoughts?

He's pretty much only talked about mafia theory for one. Plus he's wrong.

That's funny. So have you. We have a difference of game theory, big deal. As for my lack of activity, well, I try to post at least once a day. These big games move a lot faster than I am accustomed to.

Ok.

Anyway, I don't mind Revenus' play lately.

Unvote: Revenus

Vote: Funkybike1

He won't even explain his votes.

What is it that you don't mind about revenus' play?

I don't see anything about you saying rev is town here thAd

[sorgster]

So beck, can you explain why you are voting me? You agree with me on thAd/rev. Is it about the misrepping?

[sorgster]

2 different games I'm playing in actually maxous.
Beck, I don't plan to do a 600 post iso so please tell me why.

[sorgster]

You have a good point on sorgster.


I am still really suspicious of anyone who is metaing flavor for the two kills. I agree with theadmiral that it is likely that a scum member would infer two scum teams based on a. If the size of their scum team is small, and b. two kills.

My perspective from the open of day 2 was that perhaps scum had an extra shot, or maybe there is an SK.


Still would like a Vel lynch, but if that's not happening, I'll go for a sorgster or Pine lynch.

I think vijay is nubtown.


Still don't know about the two scum teams though; we'll have to see from the flips.

I am not metaing flavour for two scumteams

. I said if you flip werewolf that

confirms

there are two scum teams. If you flip mafia there isn't a confirmation. I have never played in a game with just werewolves

[sorgster]

If revenus is a werewolf that would confirm that there are two scum teams. If he is mafia, at least we lynched scum

This...seems tantamount to a scumclaim. Sorgster has officially killed his Towncred with me. Even if it isn't a scumslip, it's bad, bad, terribad logic.

According to the flavour, there are two scumteams, named "Mean Guys Mafia" and "Rolling Heights Gang".

sorgster's post here is pretty obviously an indicator of town ignorance, not any kind of scumclaim, what are you talking about. Come on.

Let's not lynch sorgster.

I think you're reconstructing it quite wrong.

townSorgster a) shouldn't care all that much how many scumteams there are and should just lynch scum

, b) would use the opening post or even reading the flipping thread to see what his other townies had to say to deduce how many scumteams there are if he's curious. (Pine quoted the relevant chunk of the OP right off the bat at the start of D2, about when sorg should have been curious.)

scumSorgster does care how many scumteams there are, and gets his information about it from the size of his scumteam and/or the comments of his (in all likelihood, lurky) partners. Who probably said, "yeah we're Mean Guys mafia there's probably another scumteam, who should we shoot", so sorgster thinks "oh let's hunt wolves", as opposed to the daytime source of info, which is Pine saying, "hey guys the OP has been

editted

to reflect that it is

almost definitely

a two scum game due to

flavor involving two human factions in a turf war

.

unvote, vote: sorgster

Even the N1 kill flavor involves two guns.

In the post right before my post pine mentioned two scumteams. I decided to state the simplest way of figuring that out.
Of course town should care if there are two scumteams are not. Assume this scenario:There are 2 major bandwagons on person X and Y. Y gets lynched and is scum. If there is one scumteam and his flip doesn't point to 2 scumteams, then person X(who is thought to be town due to this flip) may actually be scum.

[sorgster]

EBWOP:Why did you specifically say mean guys mafia? Could it be because you are of the rolling heights mafia?

[sorgster]

So why am I scum now again?

[sorgster]

EBWOP:I want pine to answer that question so please don't answer it if your name isn't pine.

[sorgster]

It's actually really, really likely that it was a scum slip from sorgster, because he specifically suggested the possibility that Revenus is a werewolf and he's convinced there's two scum teams (even though two nks doesn't mean shit n1 with no scum flips) for some unknown reason and has been basing all his scum lists off this assumption.

Put two and two together, it's something he'd think as mafia who doesn't know what the other scum team is (he thinks it's "werewolves").

I don't understand the scumslip here.

Why would scum have any more reason to assume that two kills = two scumteams than town?

I think its because sorgster assumed the other guy (rev) was a werewolf. That would infer that sorgster saw himself as mafia, because IF he was town he would have questioned if rev was mafia, because mafia is the far more common form of scum. Well that's sort of what I gathered anyway, correct me if I'm wrong.

I assumed that he was mafia too. Read that post over again.

[sorgster]

"If he flips Mafia" was obviously an afterthought. Your expectation that he would flip Wolf if anything was clear to me, and to many of the rest of us.

Nope. I know what my thoughts and afterthoughts are. I was not expecting him to flip wolf. If I had, I would not have mentioned anything about him flipping scum. I was just stating what information we would get based on a wolf flip. A wolf flip would give more information than a mafia flip.

[sorgster]

Wolves aren't the only type of scum

[sorgster]

Is that really a scumslip?

Nontheless, I want him dead anyways, and am glad you people finally see the light.

Unvote
Vote:vel

More bandwagoning. Not much of a surprise though.

[sorgster]

Vel's slip is confusing me. I don't get it. That should have been beck with the bandwagoning thing, my mistake revenus. I would support a sky wagon sv.

[sorgster]

Unvote
Vote Vel

[sorgster]

2602 told me the slip I missed.

[sorgster]

I don't suppose I'd get much support for a Sky wagon, would I?

You really are nothing but talk aren't you? Why don't you outline a case and do something productive for a change. So far all I have going against me is the fact I don't want to get lynched. Unless there is a jester, nobody want to get lynched unless you're in this game to lose in which case you are a loser. I really hope this isn't the case.

Vel's slip is confusing me. I don't get it. That should have been beck with the bandwagoning thing, my mistake revenus. I would support a sky wagon sv.

Oh look who else is nothing but talk. Trying to cut deals eh? You know who does that? Scum. And you voted a completely different person. Where did that Vel vote come from? You said you didn't understand it.... Why aren't you voting for someone you find to be scum? Are you incapable of free thought?

UNVOTE: vijay
VOTE: sorgster

1. Read 2602, I've said that before. I understood the slip after that post.
How am I trying to cut deals?
I've tried getting a bandwagon on beck but he keeps getting called, to my great annoyance, obvtown because he talks too much. I would never have enough support for his lynch.

[sorgster]

If revenus is a werewolf that would confirm that there are two scum teams. If he is mafia, at least we lynched scum

This...seems tantamount to a scumclaim. Sorgster has officially killed his Towncred with me. Even if it isn't a scumslip, it's bad, bad, terribad logic.

According to the flavour, there are two scumteams, named "Mean Guys Mafia" and "Rolling Heights Gang".

sorgster's post here is pretty obviously an indicator of town ignorance, not any kind of scumclaim, what are you talking about. Come on.

Let's not lynch sorgster.

I think you're reconstructing it quite wrong.

townSorgster a) shouldn't care all that much how many scumteams there are and should just lynch scum

, b) would use the opening post or even reading the flipping thread to see what his other townies had to say to deduce how many scumteams there are if he's curious. (Pine quoted the relevant chunk of the OP right off the bat at the start of D2, about when sorg should have been curious.)

scumSorgster does care how many scumteams there are, and gets his information about it from the size of his scumteam and/or the comments of his (in all likelihood, lurky) partners. Who probably said, "yeah we're Mean Guys mafia there's probably another scumteam, who should we shoot", so sorgster thinks "oh let's hunt wolves", as opposed to the daytime source of info, which is Pine saying, "hey guys the OP has been

editted

to reflect that it is

almost definitely

a two scum game due to

flavor involving two human factions in a turf war

.

unvote, vote: sorgster

Even the N1 kill flavor involves two guns.

In the post right before my post pine mentioned two scumteams. I decided to state the simplest way of figuring that out.
Of course town should care if there are two scumteams are not. Assume this scenario:There are 2 major bandwagons on person X and Y. Y gets lynched and is scum. If there is one scumteam and his flip doesn't point to 2 scumteams, then person X(who is thought to be town due to this flip) may actually be scum.

Pretty sure this post about popos was forgotten. It needs to be stated again.

[sorgster]

EBWOP:Popos said mean guys mafia in one so that means he's the other mafia.

[sorgster]

Pushing a wagon means filling in the blank: "Player X is scummy because _______." Pushing a wagon is not "Why isn't anyone voting Player X? Player X is obvscum and people not voting for Player X are stupid."

This is your position on Tham at the beginning of Day 2:

Pine has interacted with nearly every player in the game, so flips of other players gives lots of information about his slot. Lynching a less active player is a better way to maximize information, since later flips aren't going to tell us much more about them.

My preferred lynch is

vote: zdenek

, he's seemed really opportunistic today, and all the day 1 stuff is still there.

vijay is still a cool lynch, although I hate to admit his day 2 play is an improvement. Actually, probably not good enough for a lynch anymore.

sorgster is pretty scummy. it's a combination of gut and him seeming to take an unnatural view of every situation, it reads like newbscum.

thamlynch is super lame

and makes Pine look bad

. I don't expect it to maintain steam, though.

This is the next time you mention Tham:

unvote whatever I'm voting, vote thamatuer

Revenus is very townish. Velzanath has a lesser town vibe, but more importantly,

was attacked by zdenek scum

and it didn't look at all like bussing.

Thamatuer is very VIish and antitown every post he makes. I was hoping he would be one of those readable VIs, but not really, either he freewagons so much because he's scum aligned, or he has such an antitown way of playing mafia I'll probably never her read him. (this is a dichotomy I see a lot, I need a word for it)

Please look at the participation on the Revenus wagon and abandon that lynch. I'll sleep at night if you lynch velz, but for Revenus, no.

Also, velz has claimed VT, Revenus has not, JUST SAYIN.

VI and antitown isn't necessarily scum. VI and antitown is vigbait. Also, Zdenek -

the guy you are so 100% positive is scum

is voting Tham. This is apparently enough to clear Velz; why the double standard?

I just read over that and found the part tha should be huge now. That's seems like popos and pine are working together.

[sorgster]

EBWOP:

Unvote Vel
Vote Popos

[sorgster]

Pine, links to atleast 3 games where you have tried to outguess the mod

All of them. I'm not going to rifle through all of my games to prove a point which is irrelevant on top of stupid.

Two teams of 3-4 or one team of 4-6 is what makes sense. I have no idea what Zdenek is smoking,

we discussed this on Day One

when we were thinking one scum team, and he had no issue with it then.

I don't remember anything about 2 scumteams being mentioned in day 1. Was there? If yes, where?
2 teams of 4 and 1 team of 4 are among your possibilities as well.

[sorgster]

Funky let him say something before you hammer which could be last thoughts and/or a good defense. We aren't near deadline so no need to rush yet.

[sorgster]

I saved myself with my mason ability at night 1 by recruiting my biggest attacker.

[sorgster]

EBWOP:That went a bit off topic but changed my views of that player after day 1.

[sorgster]

TheAm is very scummy,especially with that last post but revenus is much scummier imo.

Vote revenus

[sorgster]

theam needs to go.

Like pops

, he seems to be posting like he knows the entire game.

And I agree with Pine. Whoever the mason buddy is should not out themselves until we need them to, which is definately not while we still have 17 alive.

Vote:theam

When have you ever said that pops has done this before? If you did post a link.

[sorgster]

That opinion was never there before he flipped. You had a different opinion of him

before

the flip.

[sorgster]

Let me rephrase what I was saying.

1.You said theam seems like he knows what everyone's roles are.
2.You said popos did the same thing.

Did you even mention this once when pops was alive

? What gave you that idea about popos? The fact that he flipped scum? That shouldn't change your opinion on something like that.

Your last post doesn't say anything about pops playing like he knows everyone's alignment.

[sorgster]

theam
zdenek
revenus in one team

pine and 2 others in the other team.

That isn't mild suspicion.

If revenus is a werewolf that would confirm that there are two scum teams. If he is mafia, at least we lynched scum

This...seems tantamount to a scumclaim. Sorgster has officially killed his Towncred with me. Even if it isn't a scumslip, it's bad, bad, terribad logic.

Was when I wasn't town to you anymore.

[sorgster]

Good news, someone is mod-confirmed scum.

who?

[sorgster]

EVWOP:Whoops didn't realize bvoigt asked the exact same question.

[sorgster]

You know as a fact beck? How?

[sorgster]

unvote
vote Pine

[sorgster]

In a game this size, I was thinking he was a JoaT with a killing power, actually.

Rev claimed vig day 1. Why did you not counter claim immediately? It makes no sense to me unless you are lying about the vig claim.

[sorgster]

Besides, I hadn't processed the Mafia Doc flip 100% when I posted at day start.

PE: That's true, I suppose. Beck was the more obvious roleblock, though, with his blatant softclaiming.

PE2: I explained my lack of cc. Mainly, I didn't want to give myself away that early. I didn't shoot Beck because I was positive of his Town credentials by day end.

A vig should happily give themselves away if someone fakeclaims vig. An easy scum lynch will proceed then. There would also be a good chance of being doctored/watched by someone if there are roles for that.

[sorgster]

What part of "I didn't think he was scum" confused you. I agonized over whether to cc him. I decided he was either just a derp making a joke, a JOAT who actually meant to kill that night, or

scum fishing for a CC

. In any of those three scenarios, cc'ing is the wrong thing to do.

I didn't kill Rev because I intended to lynch him, and had the support to get it done. You don't shoot someone you can get lynched, you shoot someone who is a strong scumread but for whom little support exists to lynch. Like theam N1 or Pops N2

Why would scum decide to put themselves in the line of fire for that?

That is the best scenario to counter claim in.

Popos and theAm wagons also had support to get them lynched.Why did you shoot them? Rev, by your results, should have been the biggest scumread and your number one priority to kill in n1. More so night 2 as you didn't get the lynch attempt on him to be successful.

[sorgster]

I am thinking this from your pov pine. Your actions make no sense. Not that I blame you considering that you are scum and I want to stop you from killing more townies.
You claimed so easily when so little pressure and a gambit, as you called it from drippinggoofball was done on you. You jumped on the only possibility that dripping is a tracker/watcher to claim vig. You didn't claim this before you realized she couldn't be a cop as dripping was wondering if you were an sk or other type of scum.

[sorgster]

The actions of not ccing but claiming with little pressure on you. Not listening to your directing the vig's advice to kill beck, not killing rev as he would have been confscum to you,etc.
You claimed only AFTER the cop possibility was gone on you.

[sorgster]

Check the flavor of the kills. Mine was the smothering. I have it directly from the Mods that Mafia kills simply show up as "died". Also, someone else survived an attack last night, probably got saved by a Mafia Doc.

That doesn't clear you from being an sk.

[sorgster]

If pine is scum and not a sk, zelink is his buddy.

[sorgster]

EBWOP:Zelink has become very vocal after pine is getting attacked.

[sorgster]

For the record, I buy Pine's claim over theam.

Theam's tone is smug, while Pine is flipping out.

That's actually a good point. If pine remembers that speed mafia, the scum tracker claimed making me look like scum. I was freaking out and the scum tracker remained calm.

True but theam could have been protected by hiraki or whoever or another rb could have rbed pine. I want theam lynched but theam was not under enough pressure to claim. Pine, however, was. Pine gets lynched this day phase. If pine was telling the truth, theam gets lynched next day phase. I don't want a potential sk alive.

Pine you believe theam's roleblocker claim even though he claims he roleblocked you night 2? Interesting.

[sorgster]

EBWOP:That must have been a slip by pine.

[sorgster]

If you get rbed aren't you supposed to get a message or something saying you were rbed?

[sorgster]

theAD would that not be a normal reaction for a sk?

[sorgster]

That means pine is scum. More votes on pine.

[sorgster]

Are pine and theam at l-2 or l-3 currently?

[sorgster]

This is what I got:

theamatuer (6): iamausername, Pine, ThAdmiral, vijay2vasandani, bvoigt, ZeL1nK
Pine (6): theamatuer, Beck, DrippingGoofball, smargaret, Maxous

9 to lynch.

You missed me on the pine but 6 anyways.

Rev, why are you not voting pine?

[sorgster]

Unvote

What in the world is happening? I'm feeling so confused right now.

[sorgster]

There may be a modkill thad. This isn't good especially if they're both town.

[sorgster]

Who did sv say night 1?

Night 2 he said revenus.

[sorgster]

This post is an outright lie. I definitely, absolutely got a result Night One.

sorg: ZeL1nk. Who is innocent.

If that is the case then why did you vote pine instead of tham?

I would start saying theam is outright scum but pine's opinion of a second rb who went to pine seems possibly.
Also, I'm under the impression that if the cop investigates someone before he/she is roleblocked, then the roleblocker's ability doesn't come through. Is this right?
If yes,
Theam when did you send in your roleblocks TheAm?

[sorgster]

Vote SV

You voted because of dgb's gambit

but

called out dgb before you did this vote

[sorgster]

People can lie about their claims. His calling out before voting is too suspicious.

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@ SV

Sorg, smsrg, vijay, or bvoight.

Those are good in investigation targets.

You forgot pine.
You forgot the chance that he could be scum himself.

[sorgster]

EBWOP:Him and dgb together. That explains his vote for pine but his cc which made him ''town'' and took away most suspicion from dgb may have been a scumgambit.

[sorgster]

i am pretty sure sorgster's teammates have given him one simple instruction; 'try to get people mod-killed for abusing your intelligence.'

there is no other reasonable explanation.

but i am strong.

i will not fall for the trap.

no, you won't find me calling sorgster the biggest fucking idiot waste of oxygen dumb fuck moron i've ever seen because he wants to lynch an uncc'd cop for no good reason.

no, you won't find me saying anything like that.

i would never say something like that.

Cop, investigate me this night phase. I'm tired of this enormous game and some of these players. I'll get investigated, turn up innocent and get killed by the scum.

There is no guarantee that there is a cop in this game. That's like saying don't vote theam because he is not a cced rb.

I have never played in a game where the person claiming cop was telling the truth.

How can you say that order of those events were not suspicious? Why did he vote pine after he showed dgb was lying?

[sorgster]

I must say SV being the cop is probably the worst case scenario for me lol

Why is this?

[sorgster]

Do you believe the cop claim? I don't. My experience on this site is that cop claims are almost always lies(has been 100% wrong in games I have played in).

[sorgster]

EBWOP:I'm willing to hammer TheAm. Any last defence?

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I have the opposite experience. I've been in games where the cop claims have been legit.

So yeah I beleive it. I'm pissed at dgb for forcing the cop to claim.

Do you think this might have been planned out by dgb with pine and/or SV?

If [/b ]thAm is a town roleblocker, there is a good chance that they were working in some plot together.

[sorgster]

he didn't break any rules that would cause a mod kill.

The redacted replaced it if you iso them.

[sorgster]

2 scum down. About 4 more to go.

[sorgster]

Pine (6): theamatuer, Beck, DrippingGoofball, smargaret, sorgster, Maxous

^ just a reminder... that wagon was poison

this is one of those cases where thad's 3-5 analysis is likely to net scum.

and i don't care how many people say dgb is 'obvtown' - her play so far is atrocious and this 'lolgambit' doesn't make her town.

that's not to say there weren't scum also voting theam or not voting either, but that pine wagon was abominable and every townie on it should feel ashamed.

Most townies under there were under the belief that dripping got a guilty or watcher result on pine. No reason to feel ashamed about voting it.

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Why did zelink claim inventor and that he gave pine bulletproof when he was a jailkeeper?

I'm pretty sure a jk is not normal I'll check that.

rev being town means I'm scum vijay? Are you saying this because I had attacked revenus earlier? I wasn't the only one to if I recall.

[sorgster]

EBWOP: Busdriver not jk.

[sorgster]

so how does revenus being town make me scum? Makes no logical sense. You have also lurked your way after there was a bit of suspicion on you day 1.

[sorgster]

Are we ever going to know if pops was the same allignment as amateur or not?

Since they are shown the same colour they should be. Why are you thinking otherwise?