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You don't expect the mafia to go after the masons first?EmpTyger wrote:Now, examine the join dates of the players of this game. Mine is by far the earliest. So, barring replacement shenanigans, I expect to be a high profile target. I think there is a good chance I will not be alive D2. So if I want any chance of affecting the game, I’m going to have to do it *now*.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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In a game where the only power roles are masons, are you suggesting that the masons will be challenging to pick out?EmpTyger wrote:They might. They also, assuming the masons are all playing with a hint of intelligence, shouldn't know whether I'm a mason or not by N1.
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And, let me turn it around: In a game where the only powerroles are masons (who know that they’re the only powerrole), are you suggesting that the masons *won’t* be challenging to pick out?
In my mind, unless the masons were deliberately dodging the connection, yes. Frankly, I don't think many of these players have enough experience around masons to be able to hide such a connection easily.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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Post 182 is not an answer to this:
Do you think that taking into account my previous statements to SirTornado, and the fact that all of my bandwagoning has been done in the same method and same number of votes, my bandwagoning is just a scummy coincidence?
He got me!Maybe if you actually put some effort into what you write you wouldn't have to ask three times maybeSEND THE VECTOIDS-
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oh well. :[You see what you're trying to do is guide me into believing something. Whatever answer I give, allows you to properly respond to the situation. I'm not going to give you that chance. That's not how I roll yo.
Read the question. Now read your "case". I wouldn't ask this question if I didn't feel it was necessary.I see your game, and it's like you believe you're smarter than everyone else and need to lead us to find out "inner selves" through questions.
If you read my posts, I'm obviously acting the exact same way (every two votes gets a bandwagon vote from me). I'm asking you if that is a coincidence or not. If you aren't going to answer that, then I think it's of no use to me to answer your case.
Have fun.I don't play that game. I'm going to keep my vote on you until you answer the question, instead of trying to figure out what answer will satisfy me and say that.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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Why would you systematically bandwagon third vote everyone, assuming you're motivated about lynching scum?
Open games are for experiments. Bandwagoning = information. I hate it when players think bandwagoning is a bad thing. The town plays well when there is an organized bandwagon on someone.
Besides, I felt it could draw opportunistic scum.
My vote is sticking on Crub anyway.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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1. Actually, what he is doing, is make himself look like opportunistic scum, 2. and then you get to the "too scummy to be scum" argument as pointed out by Sir T one page earlier. If you go on with this point, a lot of WIFOM is going to get involved.
Where in the text can you back up the first argument and explain the logical connection the second. Or shut up. Thanks.
To be honest I'm a bit disappointed with the players who have analyzed me. This may sound arrogantnow, but they're just not "getting" it.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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I have been neglecting this game and for that I apologize. I'll get to Sammich's monster post later. For now:
I didn't actually plan to lead a bandwagon, because I couldn't have. Otherwise, yes, I'm changing my playstyle because this one doesn't seem to be working, or rather, the town doesn't want me to use it.Per wrote:
Well, during D1 you were jumping on bandwagons with no reason (as in "reason to suspect/lynch someone"), and now it seems as though you want to start bandwagons zith no such reason. I'm asking whether that is indeed the case, and if this is another well-considered strategy of yours.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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Simenon: Are you happy now? Crub's dead, are you ready to try and kill Lemming?What are you going to do now that your Crublynch campaign backfired?
All of your questions say the same thing and try to accomplish the same purpose: to reinforce the fact that I was wrong.
However, I will answer them. Yes, I am happy that Crub is dead, unhappy that he turned out scum, but I'm rather convinced he would have been of no use anyway. No, I don't feel like lynching lemming, because I don't feel quite as badly about his as I did. The crublynch was bad I guess, but the only thing I can do now is focus my energy on lynching a scum.
Also, you said Lemming can be next. Are you still happy with that decision? Are we looking at another mislynch? I still find Lemming's hammer strange and somewhat scummy but if you're going to just go after the lynch like you did Crub then drop it right now.
More reinforcement. I am not happy with my decision, but rather content with it. Or rather, with the information that I had, I don't think I made a terrible vote. Your second question is silly for me to answer. And I don't respond to threats.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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I demand an explanation for why this makes me scum.Consistently votes without any justification.
Huh, interesting. Why as scum would I try to claim that all the wagons I've jumped on have had two other mason buddies on them?I think he may be trying to suggest he's a Mason (the third Mason, no less), but I don't think he is.
That simply isn't logical. Think before you type.He also may be suggeting that he's methodically bandwagoning to apply pressure systematically, but if that's the case, why does he stay there and lynch, rather than pulling out when it becomes apparent no information is forthcoming?
I haven't been "suggesting" anything. Read my posts. I've laid out everything I want you to see.
You haven't really provided any reason other than I have deliberately dodged not giving a reason for my votes, which you haven't provided a reason for backing that up in the first place.He really doesn't provide any reason for me to think he's anything but scum.
I also find it incredibly interesting that the first on your list is the person who is voting you.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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To me it looks like you're trying to subtly twist what I'm saying. Perhaps it's just an overreaction to what you perceive as an accusation without due evidence, but it's worth a thought.
Sorry, but I don't put in the work if you don't. In fact I find it very necessary that you justify that in order to see where you come from.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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To clarify: I want you to justify how me not giving reasons with my votes makes me scum.
Both voting for a lurker with no reason other than that he's a lurker (and both within a page of each other).
Note: I didn't vote ALsleet just for lurking, but rather because ALSleet tends to flake as scum. If you read the post I just quoted, you'll see that I site a valid metagame (I know because I was there) on ALSleet, which brought significant weight to my "lurker vote".SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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Let me start at the first conclusion: that voting without reasoning is a scumtell. By far, the scum I've seen (and indeed my play in general) vote with giving a reason to try to appear town, and town vote without reasoning (for reasons I can discuss later). I can point out many, many players who vote without reasoning, and indeed I can name many players who always vote without reasoning. They obviously can be both town and scum. Therefore my experience has led me to conclude that this is not a scumtell but is a tell for playstyle. In fact, you can tell a scum by their demanding to give reasoning- something that makes them try to appear town (not suggesting I think you are scum because of this). I can back this up by naming the players and linking their past games, but come on. Search for a game three years ago and you'll find most players simply voted for no reasoning, or if they did state it, used bandwagoning to justify it.When a townie votes, it is because they think the person they're voting for is scum (usually; this is a generalisation, but you catch my drift). They have a reason for doing so. When scum vote, it is because they want a townie to be lynched (again, a generalisation, but again, you catch my drift). They need no other reason to desire this, so unless they invent reasons or agree with the reasons of those before them, they vote without justification. Thus, in my opinion, voting without justification (especially when repeated, and leading to a mislynch) is a scumtell, because townies will always have a reason, whether flawed or not, (the reason they think the person they're voting for is scum), but scum don't need a reason to want a townie to be lynched.
Your second conclusion I need further information about you. Do you recognize any positive arguments for voting without reasoning?
Seeing as you have done what I asked, I'm going to try replying myself.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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Why wouldn't you? If I, as scum, was able to convince the town that I was a Mason, and thus anyone who defended me (my mafia buddies) probably was too, I would be ecstatic. Are you going to grace us with your REASON why it isn't logical?
Because I would be claiming two mason buddies that aren't actually mason buddies. Convincing the town to an extent possibly, but the town can just look back at my voting record and lynch me instantly.
I'm trying to make people think for themselves, which is strangely something my hands-off playstyle has evolved to do.Maybe you always play this way, but to me it looks like you're deliberately withholding information.
Alright, then I'll state it for you: yes, it was with purpose and no it was not a coincidence. (I believed I had admitted as much so yeh).I'll answer you: the nature of the question suggests that it is not. So no, for the purposes of this little game, we'll say that I don't think it's a coincidence.
Now try reading what I just said in context of lemming's interrogation. Can you see why I made that statement?
I'm voting you for reasons already stated. I voted the people I voted originally because they had votes on them and I didn't think they were not town (with the exception of one very special vote).Your turn: Why are you voting the people for whom you're voting?
If you look at what I've said, it's not that hard to figure out. I realize my posts are very cryptic this game, and I apologize. But I'm just a little too lazy to figure them out.
Crub had a very different tendency to omgus all over the place and overreact, to the point where it looked like he just gave up.You're right. That + the way Crub was treated for behaving in a similar fashion strike me as very odd.
To "flake" is to need or ask for replacement. It implies (although it is not always the case) being active in other threads and therefore it making you seem like an ass.What do you mean by "flake"? Does AlSleet "flake" as town?
AlSleet doesn't flake as town to my knowledge. I only know his scum play. Ask someone else.
For reactions, to speed up the pace of this generally slow game, to shorten the length of day one (scattered one wagons tend to make games longer by losing their focus), so that someone could ask this very question, and finally a super sekrit recon that I'll state after the game. I can assure you thought it's not rolerelated. All of those answers about equally.Why are you "methodically bandwagoning," i.e. voting for people without revealing your reasoning?
Eager to see your response.
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And rather willing to vote someone who just cracked under your analysis.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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Actually, going over my posts, let me be a bit clearly as to where I stand without having to explain myself. I will do so if you ask me to but I really don't have the time to make analysis on twelve players.
All sections are from most town to least town
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Phate (recently I've come to believe he's town)
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It should be noted that I don't think Lemming-Sammich is a likely scum pair. Lemming-Samruc is an interesting consideration.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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It's stupid because:
1. It makes you look like a non-mason, which is a bad thing because it lowers the chances for the other mason to go free
2. There's no reason to doubt my claim unless you are a mason and I'm not in your mason group.
Unless you can provide a reason that makes sense, no you should not be questioning my claim out loud.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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