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righto
welcome guys. I'm glad to meet you all. The name's Twistedspoon, or TS
Since this is my first time as IC I'll be trying to follow this here guide. You don’t really need to read that, but it’s a good idea if you want to know what to expect from me this game. I will be treating this like a normal game, for the most part, except I’ll try to explain myself more than I usually would so you can at least see my thought process.
Myself and the SEs will be glad to take any questions from you about mafia at any time. There is no such thing as a dumb question. There is nothing more useless than an unasked question.
the wiki is interesting. It can be outdated in parts since the mafia metagame is constantly changing. However this is always a good read
Finally, remember to play to your wincon, as town or scum. There is nothing more useless than a poor game (didn't I already say that about unasked questions? )
anyways, to get things going, you can all tell me of your previous mafia experience, or If this is your first time no worries at all.
Here's to a great game
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Espeonage wrote:
Forgot something. It is the SE's duty to say: No matter how helpful the IC is, it isn't a town tell. Thanks. Seen way to many Newbie games fall to pieces because of that.
haha
if only this had been said in my past games XD
why would I PL you anyways?Espeonage wrote:
1. What, if any, experience do you have at mafia?
2. What is your timezone?
3. How often can we expect you to be posting?
1) since early January, but many games. Up until recently I was in 11 games at once and my play suffered. I'm trying to cut back now to concentrate on my team mafia and newbie games. I also need to update my wiki page. It's rather old. I think this is my 9th newbie game and 1st as IC. I've certainly improved since claiming doc 1st post in my 1st game :/
2) GMT. British. Sigh. Australian is much cooler
3) I'm rather active, so no worries there1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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forest_air wrote:Twistedspoon wrote:
why would I PL you anyways?
What does PL mean?
policy lynch anyways; to lynch someone without reason
I don't know why Espe thought I would PL himCaptainCuddles wrote:
Vote: TwistedSpoon'cause I like my spoons straight.
Ha, do you now?
VOTE: Lord of graves
as it's clearly scummy to have a birthday during the start of a game1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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It's in the mod's second post under 'commonly used abbreviations'
RVS is the random voting stage. We're in it now as we have no clue who is scum and our votes are random
V/LA is when you are on a vactaion or have limited access. It means you might not be able to post for a while1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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what are you talking about?
It's page 3. You can't just give up, especially if town
and I have no-idea what you mean when you say' those roles were by chances'1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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and this relates to you putting gbevil at a dangerous L-1 because?
CaptainCuddles wrote:I had a dream about getting voted down by you TS.
guilty conscience compadré?1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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@gbevil: thoughts on your L-1'ing?
and what do you think of this disturbingly fast wagon, Razgriz and Espe? Since you are the experienced ones do you think it is scum driven in any way?1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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forest is town
anti-IC is often a newb town tell. At least that's what faraday told me
also, the middle of the wagon tell doesn't apply in RVS, by the way. We use Random votes in the Random voting stage, so that doesn't really apply
besides, most of the wiki tells are getting outdated as the metagame constantly changes to adapt around them.
CC might be scum...
Forest is showing exactly what a townie would think, especially in a newbie game
gb is probably town too for similar reasons. His unvote wouldn't be scum driven either
noragar i'm unsure on, but probably town if I had to choose
need more from Razgriz & Co.1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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Espeonage wrote:
@ TS: CC has said enough, get back on the oter wagon we can build pressure.
just thought I'll point out that saying a wagon is for pressure completely defeats the point of it
"hey, we're going to pressure you. Feel pressured yet?"1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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is this your first game frosty?
I strongly reccomend that we don't lynch unless we think someone is scum. Keeping yourself alive should be done through helping lynch scum, not random players1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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we're 4 pages in
we're nowhere near ready for a lynch
we will lynch, for sure, but not now
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17140
my last newbie game
35 pages until our first lynch. Granted, that one did set a record, but we're not quite there yet Mr.Eager beaver1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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CaptainCuddles wrote:How long are games usually? Obviously we're gonna finish by June 3
June 3 is the deadline for day 1
then we have another maximum of 3 weeks for D2 etc.1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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gbevilchaos wrote:I had meant to add to my last post that I would guess a newbie game typically lasts somewhere around a month to a month and a half. A more experienced player can correct me if I'm wrong.
each day lasts a max of 3 weeks1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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Espeonage wrote:@ TS, I've seen newbies ask if they should claim after being put to L-2 on the first page. Anything is possible.
uh huh
and were they town or scum?
town I'm guessing1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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Lord of Graves wrote:
But my main reason is because he said he wanted to stay alive.
so you see this as more newb scum than newb town?
you don't think that newb town would be worried being killed more than being lynched?1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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Espeonage wrote:
He could have irl issues or any number of other explainations.
yeah, I knew someone on an old forum who got hit by a car :/
she survived, but it just shows that anything can happen irl1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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198Frostbite wrote:
it is because I live in Ireland, which is GMT and also go to a boarding school
STOP RIGHT THERE
that is the most awesome thing I read all day
I's great to know I'm not the only GMT'er here
and tbh, I always wanted to go to a boarding school after reading harry potter :p
you sir are avery cool person
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So who do you find scummy? Do you think anyone on your wagon (anyone who voted you) or otherwise may be scum?1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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chkflip wrote:
Do you think Raz lurking into replacement telling in any way?
I've seen both scum and town lurk into replacement, but I've seen it more commonly with town
Who's your top three as of this moment?
top 3 scum?
I'll be surprised if none of CC, frosty or noragar are scum
chkflip to chaos wrote:
You seem to be putting a lot of thought into your posts for someone with very few weeks experience. Do you adapt quickly?
he's either very adaptive or has a scumpartner who gave him a mafia lesson in the QT pre-game. That's what i did last time I was scum in a newbie game. Tell the newbie everything I know about mafia pre-game in the QT beforehand s they look like a pro
since this could only be espe by PofE (due to ragriz not being present and me knowing I'm not mafia) I'm going to side with very adaptive. I have no evidence to suggest either of espe or chaos are scum at this point
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I completely forgot about LoG
VOTE: Lord of Graves
always seems to be riding the biggest wagons. could be that he's trying to fit in and look unsuspicious by being on the wagons1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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forest_air wrote: I'm gonna sit back and observe for a while before I make another vote.
if we all 'sat back and observed' the game would come to a standstill. not good
forest_air wrote:
For anyone who cares, I suspect chkflip, TS and CC, in no particular order. (Don't take my suspicion for chkflip too seriously as that's also mostly out of bias.)
let's hear you explain them then
also, talk about Lord of graves and frosty (who has been similar to CC in L-1'ing)1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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forest_air wrote:
As for the reason I suspect TS, I'm just being cautious, because he may end up being scum.
that's true for all of us
forest_air wrote: As for Lord of Graves, aside from the L-1ing,
Lord of graves never put anyone at L-1, only frosty and CC did that
forest_air wrote:Since it's happened a few times already, and after what was said about L-1 as a means of pressure and getting out info, it doesn't seem as suspicious to do it anymore.
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Otolia wrote:
About TwistedSpoon, I would say that the argument, IC are more influential than others doesn't count for him. *cough_being-lynched-D1-as-a-SE_cough*
UNVOTE: Frostbite I'll vote/bandwagon when I need to.
are you talking about one of my past games :/
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right. my thoughts
I know I'm town
forest air and gbevil are very high town reads
flippy, otolia and frosty are proably town
cuddles seems too reckless to be scum although i won't rule it out just yet
leaves espe and noragar. If this turns out to be correct I want the MVP
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off topic/
so since this is my first game as IC and my ICness is going to be reviewed have I satsified any questions about the game, mafia or the site in general you may have had?
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so frosty, why return to CC? what are your thoughts on Noragar, Flippy, Espe and Otolia. Those are reads I'm interested to hear your take on1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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okay noragar seems as though he is on L-1, my mistake
usually, just before a lynch happens (almost always at L-1 outside of massclaim) the suspected person is asked to claim their role. Now would be a fair time to do so1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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forest_air wrote:
And I don't really get the point of roleclaiming in a newbie game, because everyone is going to say they're Vanilla Townies, since the PRs will get killed at night by the mafia if they confess and the mafia won't roleclaim as scum for obvious reasons.
nah, power roles should claim PR so they don't get lynched. If they claim VT they might get lynched. There are advantages
e.g. doc protection. a jailkeeper could stop the kill. The scum could leave the PR alive to make them appear scummy1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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gbevilchaos wrote:
This of course doesn't mean that noragar couldn't be scum. He just isn't dumb scum if he is. I was fishing for a tell, and didn't get one.
How do you know all of this?
seriously this is advancedish stuff. I thought this was your first game?
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Now we have to decide. Do we lynch a VT because we don't want to force more claims or do we target another player ?
no
this L-1'ing will just continue forever with everyone claiming VT
madness
and I'm really interested into the whereabouts of Espe
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gbevilchaos wrote:He would claim vanilla townie because he knows scum would kill a power role. Only scum claim power roles because they aren't afraid of being NK'd and noob town are hesitant to lynch a claimed power role.
PRs should claim PRs
we need them alive ad they deserve special protection so we can't just throw them in the VT bucket.
If they really are a PR their play will (hopefully) not have been scummy enough to merit a lynch
The boundaries of scuminess are rather unclear in newbie games.
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it's never good to keep your reads secret mate
opinions are the town's biggest weapon and hiding them only conceals them
and to use your own logic if you get the NK we'd never know your reads
This day isn't ending until I have a fair idea of everyone's reads and I hear a proper post from Espe1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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Otolia wrote:Manipulating town isn't what people expect from a IC. You want the opinions from other when you don't express yours. It doesn't work that way. Besides the biggest weapon of a townie is his vote not his thoughts, because anyone can fake an opinion, whereas faking a vote is impossible.
I've given my reads many times
and not giving your opinions is just anti-town
his vote depends on his thoughts. The two are connected
I'm pretty sure It's not just me who wants your reads too. You replaced a player I've found slightly hard to get a read on and a possible scum candidate. We'd like your reads thanks1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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Espe or Otolia?
who needs my vote more?
VOTE: Otolia
easy. Hate to let noragar walk off but he's not today's lynch. I prefer Lord of Graves- I mean Otolia
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frostbite is cleared for sure if otolia flips scum
Lord of graves was so close to hammering him and even Otolia has said he could be scum, but not obviously enough for him to get credit from it has a bus1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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CaptainCuddles wrote:I still don't get why you guys think frostbite is town, just based on what he's said so far. I'm not pushing for his lynch or anything but TS and gb both kind of skipped over him after he said "I go to a boarding school." What the hell? TS, can you give me some town tells you got from Frostbite?
basically he's just as strong a town read as you are at the moment, but if otolia flips scum he's confirmed practically
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seriously, there is no town motivation for not giving reads
I've played with scum before who either didn't read the thread enough or didn't make reads since they already knew who was not scum
I was confident in a Lord of Graves lynch
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gbevilchaos wrote:Finally, I read up on basic game theory in the Wiki and possess the common sense to take the basic game theory and develop my own ideas about the game.
okay, that's cool
now you can help lynch otolia/Lord Of Graves over noragar
@Flippy: have you ever played in a game with alliances? If so what is your opinion on them?1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
"Murder is no better than cards if cards can do the trick"
~Screwtape-
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Twistedspoon Jack of All Trades
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