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Town
Random Nurse, Klazam, Flavor Leaf, the worst
Naerys, Psyche, Shrek, Save the Dragons, shaddowez, BBmolla, Doctor Drew
iamveryhappy, camelCasedSnivy, davesaz, bob3141, TemporalLich, pisskopbiancospino-- idk/null tier
furtiveglance, Hu Tao, JacksonVirgo, ZZZX, AisaMerlyn
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I think tw's trajectory on TL feels pretty well thought out in a way that's unlikely to come from scum
I initially liked this postIn post 443, the worst wrote: i think that's kind of where i'm at with tl. it's either authentic moonlogic or logic and i don't really care which, i don't see a way to assess the motivation of it and i'm not going to bend myself into a pretzel over it when i don't really think tl is scummy anyway
1465 hits on some of the issues I was also starting to see in TL's posting with how confident he was all of a sudden in scumreading FL
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But you agree that Klazam and Random Nurse can be at the same tier?In post 1497, JacksonVirgo wrote: I ask him specifically cuz I can't remotely see how you can have him at a similar tier as FL-
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About this vote:
When reading through, this jumped out. BBmolla's "push" on FL is really no more than a policy lim to eliminate the player that is hardest to read. Then when asked what made the push fair, ZZZX says it's fair because it could be a gutread, but it's unclear how that would make it "fair" or even a believable scumread. I also feel like he's hiding behind his BBmolla nullread a little bit to try and handwave away the sloppiness of this statement in 963In post 934, ZZZX wrote: Just ISO'd bbmolla, nothing really worth noting.his push on FL seems fair, I personally think FL seems more townish, but to be honest its a purely gut read, and I am more suspect of people hard town reading him already at that point.-
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I don't think solving for tw today is super important, so the read is more vibesIn post 1503, JacksonVirgo wrote: I personally don't have anybody as high as FL. Those two I can sorta get it, but ducky I don't have a read on at all and wanna get more to read them one way or another which is why I asked ducky first.
But I thought about why I townread his progression and 1465 specifically other than "vibes~" - I think TL is in a position where people who townlean him are not going to be defending him super hard, and he's also scumread by a few folks iirc. He is not particularly difficult to eliminate today
So 1465 is a fairly in-depth read that I think scum would not bother to make at this juncture. They can sit back and be more lazy. And tw closes out the post with "i just have zero interest in trying to take an accurate guess at TL's alignment anymore," which is pretty funny after clearly putting a lot of thought into the slot and also probably comes from town-
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It started as just a feeling when you were questioning TL - I felt like TL was being weird town, and it seemed a bit like you were pushing him for his weird but not necessarily scummy stances.
Then you had a moment feel like you're pocketing FL by having the same read as him when you started townreading TL in 368. I call this out specifically because the progression didn't quite make sense to me. Did you start townreading TL between 350 and 368? Anyway, I feel like around that time (pg. 14-15), it was mostly FL interrogating TL to get a better read whereas I'm not sure how your questions there were designed to get a better read on him.
The "having the same read as FL" happened again in 1068. You almost feel like a chameleon where you change your stances when FL does
But a couple of other random posts pinged me:
749 felt strange to me. like up to that point, you pretty clearly townreading FL, so this post seemed performative
I also think posts like 1203 are how scum are likely to position around a TL lim. As in you don't want to be pushing a policy lim, but you aren't going to step in to stop it from happening either
holistically it ends up south of null for me-
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I think you're kind of obvious scum as scum no offense. This doesn't seem like your scum play so farIn post 1510, Random Nurse wrote:In post 1493, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: Town
Random Nurse, Klazam, Flavor Leaf, the worst
Naerys, Psyche, Shrek, Save the Dragons, shaddowez, BBmolla, Doctor Drew
iamveryhappy, camelCasedSnivy, davesaz, bob3141, TemporalLich, pisskopbiancospino-- idk/null tier
furtiveglance, Hu Tao, JacksonVirgo, ZZZX, AisaMerlyn
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I'm all caught up, AMA
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That's probably fairIn post 1511, Psyche wrote: don't exactly agree that tw's tl profile is much of a towntell. scum with decent intuitions about what makes someone look town (and tw probably has those) can fake the sort of diffidence on display there. and i honestly raised an eyebrow or two whenthey seemed to imply that they frequently agree with things TL says. can't even count how many times i've had to keep myself from quotereplying a TL post with something like "???"
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I think your catch up is more likely to come from scum in the sense that you only commented on things that happened 40+ pages ago (aside from some fluff posts), and merlyn was scummy-
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Hey I sound townie when town too-
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I think ZZZX / Hu Tao wagons are preferable to IAVH / ZZZX
I played against town!IAVH as scum in schadd's baseball game, and they seemed like limbait. He was one of the few mislims our team managed to push through in an otherwise really strong town-
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Fixing pronounsIn post 1584, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: I think ZZZX / Hu Tao wagons are preferable to IAVH / ZZZX
I played against town!IAVH as scum in schadd's baseball game, and he seemed like limbait. He was one of the few mislims our team managed to push through in an otherwise really strong town-
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furtive felt wooden early and still feels like a background character when I expect him to have more of a presenceIn post 1523, the worst wrote: What makes you like Naerys & shaddowez? & do you have like, a specific reason to scumread furtive?
Naerys' pop ins feel pretty natural to me. She's not a big presence in the game, but I feel like she gives her reads when they are topical. I like how she went off her intuition (one scum on FL wagon) and developed a scumread on someone from that wagon, and the thought process tracks to me
I feel like does shaddowez was reassessing reads without people prompting him to & I liked some of his reads, though looking back at his ISO I admit I don't feel as confident in this read-
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1509In post 1529, furtiveglance wrote: I usually agree with CSF more than I do with her current readlist. The only question I have is: why JacksonVirgo in the lowest tier?
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Both? He scumread JacksonVirgo but also said scum were out to get him lolIn post 1602, pisskop wrote:
I think iamhappys memes are a shield to hide behind. I dont like it any more than I like the 'scum would push me because they know how I am' route.In post 1584, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: I think ZZZX / Hu Tao wagons are preferable to IAVH / ZZZX
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I don't think this was my argument at all. I'm just not really convinced by the points made against him because it doesn't seem like he can be read by how he reacts since he can react kind of weirdlyIn post 1606, furtiveglance wrote:
Right, we should never vote for IAVH in any game then based on this argument...In post 1584, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: I think ZZZX / Hu Tao wagons are preferable to IAVH / ZZZX
I played against town!IAVH as scum in schadd's baseball game, and they seemed like limbait. He was one of the few mislims our team managed to push through in an otherwise really strong town-
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All right, I don't think this is a read that I expect people to have unless they've seen RN across multiple games as both alignmentsIn post 1608, furtiveglance wrote:
Random Nurse hasn't been remotely towny.In post 1591, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
1509In post 1529, furtiveglance wrote: I usually agree with CSF more than I do with her current readlist. The only question I have is: why JacksonVirgo in the lowest tier?
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Hu Tao, I think you've been playing up the newbie card a little bit as a reason to hold back. It reminds me of Blood over Utopia where you were in the background because the mechanics confused you-
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Yeah that is kind of the gist of my argument. That wasn't to say that we should never vote IAVH at all, but that how to read him should be calibrated a bit differentlyIn post 1626, furtiveglance wrote:
You can see that it was all you gave as your argument, because it's right there in the quote. The logic looks like:In post 1620, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
I don't think this was my argument at all. I'm just not really convinced by the points made against him because it doesn't seem like he can be read by how he reacts since he can react kind of weirdlyIn post 1606, furtiveglance wrote:
Right, we should never vote for IAVH in any game then based on this argument...In post 1584, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: I think ZZZX / Hu Tao wagons are preferable to IAVH / ZZZX
I played against town!IAVH as scum in schadd's baseball game, and they seemed like limbait. He was one of the few mislims our team managed to push through in an otherwise really strong town
1) This user's wagon is not preferable
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2) This user seems like limbait based on a previous game-
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People have been making references to this game being multiball. I feel like the only way you forgot was if you've literally only read like 10 pages?In post 1633, Hu Tao wrote: WAIT THERE ARE TWO SCUM TEAMS IN THIS......OMG This game just became so much more interesting to me.-
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I was being generous when I said 10 pagesIn post 1639, TemporalLich wrote: I still really dislike how Hu Tao went on the ZZZX wagon, so Hu Tao isn't towny imo
pedit: that's the explanation that makes sense to me-
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I don't think the "slip" changes my opinion of them
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Why did you unvote here?
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I do see JV as possible scum thoughIn post 1690, pisskop wrote:
IAVHs response to the wagon on him is wild. I dont see virgo as scum; but I have seen him reaching out to people he scumreads and trying to get a better bead on them. It's easy to just let people wallow in their own mess, but I think its much townier to be proactive about your readsIn post 1616, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: Both? He scumread JacksonVirgo but also said scum were out to get him lol
Though I think this also makes sense from a town perspective if you're townreading JV, then iavh just looks like he's doing whatever-
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Furtive might be town from the last few pages, I think I might've been wrong there-
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What did I say about yellow m&ms-
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I guess I wouldn't be opposed to iavh lim today. I'm not really townreading them enough to defend it anymore than I already have, and the wagon minus JV feels fine-
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Based on?In post 1705, camelCasedSnivy wrote: they should make it so multiball games are just 2 different contingents of one faction instead of 2 different factions
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This is such an unusual game for me
Blood over utopia has done a number on some of y'all lol-
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I dunno what this means. Can you rephrase?In post 1732, JacksonVirgo wrote: I'm a little bit apprehensive about pushing CSF because of their read on me, I feel I'm a little biased against them but they seem to be from the perspective to keep people in the PoE in the way they're speaking than from scum-reading individually.-
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I've already elaborated on JV. As for IAVH, the people pushing there mostly feel pure. I did kind of like how he omgus'd JV on my read up (I was aware this game was multiball and knew that's not town indicative by itself, but still the gut feels what it wants). but brain is telling me that's not worth much and maybe he just omgus'd another scum. Who knowsIn post 1731, pisskop wrote:
Endless Wifom atp tho.In post 1702, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: JV and iavh could be different scum
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yeah that's basically how I feel-
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Which posts don't seem genuine? The one that was quoted here?In post 1787, Hu Tao wrote:
For some reason, I think you could be scum. It's a gut feeling, your posts don't seem genuine for some reason. But I'm not sure whyIn post 1718, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: This is such an unusual game for me
Blood over utopia has done a number on some of y'all lol
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I'm obviously going to be biased but I dislike that vote on me-
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What did you mean when you said "keep people in the PoE in the way they're speaking than from scum-reading individually."?In post 1812, JacksonVirgo wrote: But the reason I don't think they're wolf is that they haven't at all changed their demeanour at all, unless I'm overlooking that but I would figure being a focused kill would do at leastsomethingbut I don't see anything.-
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yeah please do. I think my PoE admittedly remains quite large with maybe 10+ people I'm explicitly not townreading at this stage, but that doesn't really worry me having replaced ~24 hours into Day 1 in a large. I'm specifically wondering what you see as not a real scumread-
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Hu Tao is scumreading me for a gutread, but felt the need to qualify it by saying they can't explain it 3 timesIn post 1797, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: I'm obviously going to be biased but I dislike that vote on me
That reads unnatural to me because gut reads are typically something that can't be explained anyway, so why feel the need to say that 3 times?In post 1787, Hu Tao wrote:In post 1718, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: This is such an unusual game for me
Blood over utopia has done a number on some of y'all lol, I think you could be scum. It's a gut feeling, your posts don't seem genuineFor some reason. Butfor some reasonI'm not sure why
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I think you way overestimated how confident I am in JV scum because of the post where i explained my scumread on them
Even if I am suspicious of them, I doubt I am going to push them day 1 unless I am very confident as they are playing in a way that could get them night killed anyway-
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Zzz typed up a phone post then lost it
I don't think people interrogate their scumreads the same way. However I do think I wouldn't have asked the questions in 1495 or 1501 if JV weren't a scumread
For 1509, the first half of that is stuff that I think JV is doing if they are scum. I can see world's where that's not the case & JV truly mindmelded with flavor a lot, partly because there are a lot of people floating by this game & I wouldn't be super surprised if they flipped scum and the more active folks are town.
I caught up on the game to get baseline reads but forming more accurate reads usually involves seeing people post in real time-
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Pick a wagon that speaks to your soul-
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Hu tao is so scummy lmao
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Doesn't even bother quoting which onesIn post 1835, Hu Tao wrote:
Just a fewIn post 1796, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Which posts don't seem genuine? The one that was quoted here?In post 1787, Hu Tao wrote:
For some reason, I think you could be scum. It's a gut feeling, your posts don't seem genuine for some reason. But I'm not sure whyIn post 1718, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: This is such an unusual game for me
Blood over utopia has done a number on some of y'all lol
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Bruh I scumread Hu tao like when I replaced inIn post 2038, furtiveglance wrote:
They did vote you first...then you omgussed.In post 2027, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: Hu tao is so scummy lmao
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Idk what you're talking about yet, just got a ping that Hu tao responded to meIn post 2043, TemporalLich wrote: do you still scumread hu tao after bob's joke post?
I'm just posting from work, will look later-
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This?In post 1864, TemporalLich wrote:
holy scumslipIn post 1863, bob3141 wrote: I always find in extra large games the goal is not to kill town but chain execute teh town vigs, that 53 player large still gives me shudders lol
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What do you think of hu taoIn post 2183, ZZZX wrote:
Well, whether people follow it or not, I like to believe I did my due diligence, such as that if the game is lost because everyone sheeped those who I said are mafia, I can have that bit of self satisfaction that IIn post 2174, Psyche wrote: is it common for people to believe that these "last will and testament" posts are ever influential after the player making them diestold you so-
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The reason why is in the second line of my post...In post 2134, Hu Tao wrote:
Why can't I just be misguided town? The fact that you immediately think I'm scum is what's worse for you.In post 2027, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: Hu tao is so scummy lmao
Their scumread on me seems like starting from the conclusion and making things up after the fact-
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I don't really think self voting is that ai for him:
He definitely does self vote as town too, but I found games where he does it as scumIn post 126, ZZZX wrote:
Basically its a day one wagon and people are scum reading you for shitty reasonsIn post 124, Thor665 wrote:Define 'basically save'.
If it is 'would get me town read for multiple days' then the answer is 'yes, I would do it'.
If the answer is 'would get me to the next day phase and an uncertain future' than I would try to save myself in other ways.
so yea the former if done prob.
I know it saved me twice (one of them was as scum thou, But I do it as scum if I know there are not many players than can read throu me there)
but I dont do it often and its like yea it wont help most of the time
Just read him based on other things-
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VOTE: zzzx
E-2 now, let's get a flip-
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Psyche, who else is on your list of scumspects besides bbmolla?-
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What do you mean vote for pressureIn post 2290, Shrek wrote: VOTE: CSF
if there's no traction on IAVH or the 'scumslipped team' this seems fine enough for pressure
I've given lots of reads, do you have thoughts on any of them-
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Have you seen my posts on hu taoIn post 2291, pisskop wrote: It's a lynch we all can agree on, and if we run up 2 wagons we can force people to take sides.
Cat's reads just seem weird. I'd like to see them get in somebody's face
Are they disappearing into the nether bc they won't get traction for some reason-
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