Couldn't scum kill whoever you say to protect? And that would be unable to figure out anything right?In post 2674, Psyche wrote: have been toying w scenario where we test gera's claim w my shot...
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Okay final call from what I think should go down
Eliminate Gera
Titus: Roleblock Kay
Hu Tao: Gun check Kay
Psyche: Vig Ari
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Assuming I have a gun check left of course*-
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I'm going back to my reads of it being Gera and Ari.
I think Titus claiming day 2 when she was under no pressure might have been town her. But I can't say for sure. But she also didn't die which was weird.
BUT scum could have thought Titus Roleblocked the vigilante which was Dann and that's why there was no vigilante kill. Thus why they killed Dann. But unsure on that obviously-
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That's assuming gera flips scum. But it doesn't cover is gera is townIn post 2685, Political Clout wrote:
I don't see the substantial change if psyche shoots you or ari. if the roleblock works then kay is donezo.In post 2682, Hu Tao wrote: Okay final call from what I think should go down
Eliminate Gera
Titus: Roleblock Kay
Hu Tao: Gun check Kay
Psyche: Vig Ari
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Oh this is trueIn post 2692, Titus wrote: Umm on 2682, wouldn't it be better to check me as Kay would be blocked-
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No. Like I said that scenario wouldn't cover gera townIn post 2693, Psyche wrote: so hutao def doesnt want to be shot despite the reasoning that we win either way-
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Either way no chance I'm scum this game and should never be shot. I pretty much crumbed everything perfectly-
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So if I have a check left I'm checking Titus not Kay-
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Yep that was a mistake on my endIn post 2697, KayJayQueue wrote: I have a question, wouldn’t it make sense to not have 2 roles on me? Roleblock me but gun check Titus? Because if there’s a chance Titus is lying, do we get confirmed info about Titus? This has to assume gera is scum. Because how do we get confirmed info on Hu/Titus when they can just say “yeah I role blocked/gun checked” you, etc.-
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Okay then I'm the obvious town readIn post 2713, Psyche wrote:
hu tao is wrong here by the wayIn post 2695, Hu Tao wrote:
No. Like I said that scenario wouldn't cover gera townIn post 2693, Psyche wrote: so hutao def doesnt want to be shot despite the reasoning that we win either way
even if gera is town, we really only do need one consensus townread among the unconfirmed to ensure a win-
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Please let's not stall this by the way like we did with NAS. The people want to hear from aren't gonna be here for 2 days anyway-
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Same. Unless she's like an informed scum already but like. I still think her role works with mine.In post 2725, Political Clout wrote: I don't see kjq coming up with the informed role...-
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VOTE: gera
Let's end this day already. That way RN and Titus will be back when the day begins. Literally nothing changes. We end this day with gera being eliminated regardless-
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Yeah okay. Sorry you're wrong here. But you're likely scum anywayIn post 2729, Aristeia wrote: i think we should all agree on who the team is if Geraintm is town which is worst case scenario since his elim feels inevitable today
if gera is mafia this is basically a won game because titus can block tonight and that will either generate a clear - which is 2 elims in 3 uncleared or leave us at 7p tomm which is 3 elims out of 4 uncleared.
the main problem is what world are we in if gera is town.
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No. Because the day is ending with gera being the Elim anyway. So I think we shouldn't wait. We did this yesterday unnecessarilyIn post 2735, KayJayQueue wrote: Wait so we’re not waiting for the two VLA? I guess I misunderstood what we were agreeing to earlier. Are we saying it’s not worth waiting?-
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Because I don't think that was any pressure-
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I agree with Dann here. Like it wasn't like she was forced to claim. Seemed more natural. I could be wrong but yeah.In post 1940, Dannflor wrote: I don't think there's really a world where Titus makes up this role blocker story to justify pushing me as scum, it's so unnecessary and comes from a townie with an overwhelming sense of confidence in their own reads 99/100-
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Like Titus did this in the beginning of day 2. So you're saying she was setting this up to say she was a role blocker later in the day when there was any light pressure?In post 1490, Titus wrote: If Klick was vigged, Dannflor is likely scum.-
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No stalling pleaseIn post 2746, Psyche wrote: only reason to continue day is if anyone wants to have another say about where night actions go
i'm just gonna do what i want in the end, secure that it won't lose the game either way, but would loveee to be right-
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This is wrong since Kay would have been role blocked. Thus only having a scum in me or Titus from any scenarioIn post 2755, Psyche wrote: worst case scenario if gera is scum, with arbitrary choices within the defined lim/shot pools
assumes a siingle remaining scum is in (kay, hu tao, titus, ari)
D3:
gera flips scum
N3:
roleblock fails to prevent a kill on a confirmed or clear a slot, so one of RN/me/PC dies
a hypothetical vig shot hits town (let's say ari)
leaving 1 scum remaining in 3 of: Titus, Hu Tao, KayJayQueue
D4:
6v2 -> 4v1
remaining scum would be one of: titus/hutao/kay
remaining town would be two of: me/rn/pc, and someone in the above group
town has 1/3 chance of guessing right!
we guess wrong, maybe picking titus so remaining scum would be one of: hutao/kay
N4:
scum kill in the confirmed, leaving just one alive in: me/rn/pc
D5:
2v1, mylo
game is a 1v1 between the 2 players still alive in titus/hutao/kay
remaining town would be the survivor of: me/rn/pc, and someone in the above group
all up to the survivor! town has a 50/50 chance of guessing right
something feels off in this math. it seems to imply that whether we call gera correctly or not, we have the same chance of winning. there's either an error here or in my earlier post-
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I don't think scum have a strong arm otherwise NaS' role makes no sense-
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In post 2759, Political Clout wrote: I'm fine with voting now-
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Assuming Kay's role is legitimate, which I think it is. I'm curious how PC was chosen. Imagine we just got unlucky from a random draw and it wasn't an inno on someone else-
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If thts the situation and it comes down to me and Kay I'm fine with losing because it would have been a masterclass.In post 2761, Psyche wrote:
i'm covering the worst scenario; which would include scum having a way around the roleblockIn post 2757, Hu Tao wrote:
This is wrong since Kay would have been role blocked. Thus only having a scum in me or Titus from any scenarioIn post 2755, Psyche wrote: worst case scenario if gera is scum, with arbitrary choices within the defined lim/shot pools
assumes a siingle remaining scum is in (kay, hu tao, titus, ari)
D3:
gera flips scum
N3:
roleblock fails to prevent a kill on a confirmed or clear a slot, so one of RN/me/PC dies
a hypothetical vig shot hits town (let's say ari)
leaving 1 scum remaining in 3 of: Titus, Hu Tao, KayJayQueue
D4:
6v2 -> 4v1
remaining scum would be one of: titus/hutao/kay
remaining town would be two of: me/rn/pc, and someone in the above group
town has 1/3 chance of guessing right!
we guess wrong, maybe picking titus so remaining scum would be one of: hutao/kay
N4:
scum kill in the confirmed, leaving just one alive in: me/rn/pc
D5:
2v1, mylo
game is a 1v1 between the 2 players still alive in titus/hutao/kay
remaining town would be the survivor of: me/rn/pc, and someone in the above group
all up to the survivor! town has a 50/50 chance of guessing right
something feels off in this math. it seems to imply that whether we call gera correctly or not, we have the same chance of winning. there's either an error here or in my earlier post-
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Maybe they do. But it's not changing anything at all. Gera is the Elim and we already have a plan. If you want to sus me over stating the obvious, so be it.In post 2764, Psyche wrote: i swear it feels like you're jumping to conclusoins a lot today
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Just do it then. If you want to play suboptimal I cannot stop you.In post 2766, Psyche wrote: there's really no way i don't aim at hutao tonight, particularly if we end now-
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Yes. Because if it was me, then I would be clear and you would still be clear from me.In post 2767, Political Clout wrote:
your solve is gera and ari right? I think it's interesting how you phrase this post made me pause for a second.In post 2762, Hu Tao wrote: Assuming Kay's role is legitimate, which I think it is. I'm curious how PC was chosen. Imagine we just got unlucky from a random draw and it wasn't an inno on someone else-
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Great. Let us know your thoughts and vote gera whenever you're done pleaseIn post 2769, Random Nurse wrote: I'll still be skimming the thread.-
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I just think Kay is townie and have so since day 1. I think I'd be shocked if she were scum. We are covered for everyone else regardless of scenario. You yourself said you Town read her. I'm not sure what abilities you meanIn post 2773, Psyche wrote: think calling it a masterclass overrates the town's abilities exhibited this game
if we lose this eminently winnable game it's because we're bad-
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I disagree. But we can agree to disagree. I'm not sure how voting the person everyone scumreads and wanting to vig the one slot that isn't covered for anything is suboptimalIn post 2774, Psyche wrote:
imo it's you playing suboptimally -- and dropping a lot of underbaked takes at a pivotal point in the gameIn post 2770, Hu Tao wrote:
Just do it then. If you want to play suboptimal I cannot stop you.In post 2766, Psyche wrote: there's really no way i don't aim at hutao tonight, particularly if we end now-
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Psyche when you were scum last game. What did I do? I voted right after I had my read the last day. I just don't like stalling in general when I've already made up my mind-
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How is it lazy when I came up with the whole plan and let everyone agree to it?In post 2777, Psyche wrote: intellectually lazy and rushing everything
trajectory is hardly any better than RN's D1-
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Okay. What's your plan-
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Town literally did that's the funny part.In post 2782, Psyche wrote:
if town had taken their time last game, i would have lost. my win con was the two masons locking in their decisionIn post 2778, Hu Tao wrote: Psyche when you were scum last game. What did I do? I voted right after I had my read the last day. I just don't like stalling in general when I've already made up my mind-
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Thanks for helping scum. I'm sure they appreciate it.-
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I said once I made my read and voted-
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Clearly I didn't say we should all vote today without a plan-
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Okay I will wait-
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Only way he can be scum is if he's scum doctor or traitor with Kay. But that's very doubtful imoIn post 2807, Aristeia wrote: PC is a VT
Hu Tao changed her claim from VT to Night One Gunsmith with an inno on PC
Kay claimed she's a night two informed townie who is informed that PC is aligned with the town.
since there's two players confirming PC as town and only two mafia left PC is basically conf-town-
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I just don't see Kay as scum here tbh. So I think we just win.-
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All of her reactions have been giving me new town vibes. Basically has been the opposite of new scum NaS this game-
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Not just that but she's been towny in general-
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Psyche. You had one job again. Literally.-
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We made a plan and why not just stick to it. Now we have no idea if Titus actually blocked Kay.-
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To be honest. I still wanna vote ari over Kay here. Because no killing was the optimal play if you were gonna shoot Titus.-
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Right.
VOTE: Ari-
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How are you town.In post 2964, Political Clout wrote: I'm okay with limming hu tao first too.-
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No. Vote Ari. It's clearly been AriIn post 2967, KayJayQueue wrote: I honestly have no idea at this point if it’s Hu or Ari. I feel like I should have a better idea of who it is but I’m second guessing myself when I think about everything that’s happened in the game. Because they’ve both done things that I thought “clearly that’s a town thing to do” but maybe the issue here is that…do I really know what is and isn’t town? I think my inexperience is actually just hurting us. I think I’ll just do whatever RN, PC and psyche think is best. If that’s dying, so be it, I still think that we can win if they figure out which one it is.-
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UnfortunatelyIn post 2971, Political Clout wrote:
because you cleared me...In post 2968, Hu Tao wrote:
How are you town.In post 2964, Political Clout wrote: I'm okay with limming hu tao first too.-
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UNVOTE:
Wait. I need to think-
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This is confirmed to be 10/3 right.-
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Only way Kay can be scum is if PC is traitor and she is scum. But idk balance stuff-
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I'm gonna need you to play the gameIn post 2978, Random Nurse wrote: Could it be Psyche?-
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Kay's role fits in this setupIn post 2979, Aristeia wrote: i think its kay because I think kay/gera both trueclaimed their roles.
kay should be informed mafia and gera is a doctor, they probably didn't know that they shouldn't have claimed their actual roles because they do not fit into this setup.-
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If we just vigged ari then Titus would have been in a 1vs1 with kay if somehow ari is town. But I just don't think ari is town here.-
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Yeah true.In post 2987, Random Nurse wrote:
I don't see 3 Scum + Traitin a 13.In post 2982, Hu Tao wrote: Only way Kay can be scum is if PC is traitor and she is scum. But idk balance stuff
Not unless there was substantial Town power.-
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VOTE: Ari
Okay PC stop scumsiding. Why are you not considering Ari-
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@Psyche THIS is why Ari should have been vigged-
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Why would Kay town clear PC as scum instead of just claiming some other role?-
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