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I'm just going to throw it out there that in a 12 player game, there are usually either 3 scum or 3 scum and 1 SK, depending on how powerful the town is.
As a result I am going toUnvote: ShadowGirl, Vote: Charterfor not only triple posting, but flipping between ideas between posts, also we can't be sure how many anti-town we've got, so it's probably best to play it conservative and assume we have 4.
Also:Mod: Can you clarify about a rule:
Does this make the determining vote the last vote placed against a person, or the first vote placed against them?Almighty Mod wrote:6. Deadlines may be implemented if I feel that discussion is lagging. At deadline, the person with the most votes will be lynched. In the case of a tie, the person who was voted for first is lynched.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Charter, it's not that you thought of something afterward, though I would like to think that some thought goes into these posts, it's that you changed your mind almost immediately after, and it seems like that could be quick footwork to change something you thought looked bad. Also hypocrisy is usually not good.
I'm not sure how people just assumed I thought CF Riot was scum, I didn't even mention his name in my post. I was more, and am, more suspicious of charter because of his accusing CF Riot for something that he then proceeded to do.
Thanks mod, and also I am so happy that we have real discussion by page 2, <3 guys, <3.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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I'm inclined to agree with Farside on the latest Charter issue, I think he's too eager to set up a timeline of lynches, only scum do that day one, seriously.
Also, concerning had's claim, does no one think it's odd that he claimed so easily? I would have thought that a cop would have tried to avoid claiming. Also, can anyone tell me if it was 5 or 4 votes on him at the time? If it is 4 that just makes him seem to jumpy for my taste, and scumdar.
Also charter, how is pinning something you said on you scummy? You said something scummy and she called you out for it.
On top of that charter, random vote time is over. Stop supplying stupid reasons.
Sleep now, will make better post soon, got a plane trip tomorrow. >..<(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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I'm against a BB lynch today, because if he's town he's just confusing scum, if he's scum, then he's not confusing anyone. That said, we have people that are being detrimental to the town. I still support a charter lynch, because of previously stated reasons.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Hmm, I really want Netlava to defend himself first. He might be continuing on a suspicion from the last game. (I have suspicions about a number of players doing this) Did he hound you last game?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Not that I don't appreciate your skill for ignoring an attack on you, but you just criticised me for not answering questions while ignoring a page long post. And no, I voted him for hypocrisy and he keeps being a hypocrite.
However, your response to my post is in the extreme, I wanted to hold my vote until you had a chance to explain yourself and instead you jump down my throat. How the HECK is giving you a chance protecting CF Riot? Until you provide some decent explanation for yourself,Unvote, Vote: Netlava(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Netlava likely didn't even read my post, just skimmed it, and jumped down my throat as a result of it, he seems way to jumpy and way too willing to flip around on his decisions. Also mod, Doesn't Netlava have two votes?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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What? I was responding to your attack when I said I was going to wait to give you time to defend yourself. All I was doing was giving you the benefit of the doubt. I said nothing negative about you at all. Yet I am somehow scum for giving you due turn?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Camn, how do you feel about the post where he said I was attacking him when I was defending him?
However, I'm getting a really off feeling from that post. Not enough for anything concrete, but I'm keeping my eyes open.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Charter, in specific, in 176 I voted for him, making the second vote. How is that bandwagoning? It also seems like you've got tunnel vision, considering that youonlycommented on four player's posts. There are other players in the game, why not look at them? Also, why did you drop off and only read Walnut? That is just asking for Tunnel Vision.
On the whole I don't like Netlava's posts, he throws suspicion around constantly, and I don't think that if a player acts scummy or responds with smiley faces that it is any sort of town tell, regardless of who you are.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Charter, are you saying that I shouldn't care about your comments? You accused me of bandwagoning, I pointed out the problem with such a claim. To explain further:
I meant that he had to explain his actions toward me, as well as his prior actions, which he justified by later saying I was obvscum, then saying that he never said I was scum. I've never played with Netlava before, but I'm not willing to let him off because scummy is his playstyle.Lord Gurgi wrote:However, your response to my post is in the extreme, I wanted to hold my vote until you had a chance to explain yourself and instead you jump down my throat. How the HECK is giving you a chance protecting CF Riot? Until you provide some decent explanation for yourself,Unvote, Vote: Netlava(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Concerning the SK thing, I only brought it up because everyone was assuming that there were 3 mafia. I specifically said that in a 12 player game there is usually 3 mafia or 2 mafia and an SK. I wasn't trying to stir paranoia. I was just saying that there are other possibilities. I'm not sure why it's bad to bring up the SK first, and not bad to bring up the size of the mafia first. Could someone explain it to me?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Camn (Blackberry)
Post 88:To me, this breadcrumbing, in light of camn’s recent post was likely him trying to draw a scum kill. I think this is actually assuming camn’s claim to be true, a very pro-town play.
Post 183:Maybe it’s me, but ShadowGirl, especially up to this point, was the town lurker, not Battousai. I also don’t like how she says that pointing out breadcrumbs is town, it’s not.
Post 216:I don’t like how she suggests tunnel-vision as a strategy, but it seems more her play style, as she’s always suggested doing things m to me.
Post 195:The reason I tried to give you a chance, is that I don’t like to vote hearing only one side of the argument. And no, I haven’t read the last game, by the time of the first page people were already making references as well as carrying on with, ‘Well last game he did and he was town so we can’t lynch him for being scummy.’ This is some of the worst scum hunting I’ve ever seen!
Post 209:Pro-tip, don’t prevent the people you think are scum from talking. This is where Netlava seems to use the same logic I used against him on Macavenger.
Post 212:Netlava how in the seven heavens, is it possible to attack you by giving you a chance?
Post 225:Let me get this straight, you won’t disprove the theory, because it’s not a theory because I made it? Do you not defend yourself because you can’t do it logically, or is this some kind of beyond stupid town play?
Post 232:Once again, I’m scum because I’m playing scummy because I’m town? Maybe? This is the point where all of Netlava’s reasoning is gone. What little there was to begin with.
Post 244:Okay, now you’ve totally lost me, you comment on CF Riot, not on Walnut, and somehow this moves Walnut up? Also where you ask for explanations, I don’t think it’s them that needs to explain, you have been claiming CF Riot is scum since page 2. Further, you’ve never even spelled out how I am scum aside from one single post. Care to find some other evidence?
Post 255:You failed to say why he is scummy, just that he is, as is the case with every other person on your list. Also, you still haven’t defended yourself, could you kindly do that now?
Post 258:No, scum have worse reasons, because they know their reasons are manufactured. That is the worst defense I have ever seen, you cannot be proved town because you are on all the popular wagons, this is traditionally a scum tell, in fact. You gave three reasons that I am scum, three; one post, asking for an actual defense from you, which this is not, the SK discussion, which I have since explained, and for not pushing a bandwagon. As far as I can tell, your idea of townie play is jumping on bandwagons, voting before defense, and pushing a wagon to the gates of Hell before you check who’s on it and why. Not only this but you deny that you thought my post was an attack, when you have called it a ‘thinly veiled attack’ explanation please?
Post 297:So, please clarify, Mac accused someone on your list, therefore not scum? Why are you voting for your number three suspect and not your number one?
farside22
Post 162:I don’t like how she completely avoids the whole Apple discussion.
Battousai
Post 102:I don’t like how he also tries to set up a lynch, the cop claim day one is nothing but wine, but nonetheless, I don’t like it.
Post 150:Unlike the general opinion, I thought that this was Battousai trying to make Netlava see that he is proposing a lynch of someone on the basis of them eating an apple.
charter
Post 21 & 22:Self Contradiction, another dead horse, but I don’t like contradiction, and I think it is one of the most reliable scum tells.
Post 82:I find this almost funny, charter voted hadhfang, in anticipation of his defense. And nobody cares, and yet (yes I am bringing this up again) when I wait for Netlava to defend himself it’s a scum tell.
Post 98:I really don’t like this post. He thought he had five votes on him; also I do not like the ellipses as an argument tool. It just always reads scum to me, because it seems like he wants you to draw your own conclusions so he doesn’t have to.
Post 101:Setting up a lynch is scum. Voting for role envy is Scum or idiot.
Post 117:It seems pretty obvious to me that discounting everything as WIFOM is a pretty scum move.
Post 156:I can’t stand this sort of thing. You are directly standing in the way of questioning Netlava, I don’t care about you saying he’s free to answer it, anything useful that could have been gained from his response is now worthless because he can stand behind your statement. Yes, I do think that you are defending him.
Tinsley
Post 61:Seems unwilling to vote.
Post 179:Seems to suggest that Netlava is unlynchable, this is bad, and nobody is unlynchable.
Macavenger
Post 204:This is the first post I have real problems with from him. He is attacking Battousai for lurking when, once again, our town lurker is ShadowGirl. Also his vote for Netlava is because Netlava thinks Macavenger is scum for Macavenger thinking that Netlava is scum. Seems like distancing to me.
Post 210:I don’t like how he defends me here, which shuts down my defense to ‘I agree with Macavenger.’
Walnut
Post 92:Puts hadhfang at L-2 with very little explanation. I don’t like how he doesn’t seem to be aware that his vote is L-2, or possibly ignoring it.
Hadhfang
Post 66:I don’t see the real problem with this post, he was trying to put everything into perspective, as far as I can see.
Post 96:The claim, oh the claim, I don’t like how he does it, as it seems like an afterthought on his part, but nonetheless lynching a claimed cop day one is not wise.
CF Riot
Post 19:Don’t like the misleading statistic, this horse has been beaten to death already, but it gives off a weird feeling.
Post 71:I know other people thought it was a breadcrumb or something, I think it’s just a garbage post.
Post 99:I don’t like how you ended this, you shouldn’t have to wait for the town to comment to come to a decision about how you feel, that just rings scum to me.
ShadowGirl
Post 151:A one line post comes after apologising for not posting much, it sounds like intentional lurking to me.
Post 194:Her first real post, not much actual content, despite everything, saying a lot of what other people have already said.
Questions:
@Netlava, could you explain 59? Why did you already have suspicions for CF Riot?
@Netlava, is post 82 also scummy? Is it more scummy than what I did?
Scumlist of fantastic-ness.
1. Netlava (if it isn't obvious why I think this yet, then I don't know what to do)
2. charter: He has been using WIFOM a lot, setting up things for tomorrow, plenty of hypocrisy also.
3. Macavenger: Yes, for those of you going *gasp* I don't trust his constant defense of me, also he had a relatively short lived time on Netlava's list. I'd also like your opinion of this Macavenger.
Considering other players:
Camn's claim is very clever if she's scum, we're too afraid to lynch her and she has a reason why she isn't NK'd. With all this extra information I don't feel out of place to ask for a role name.
Farside always seems town to me, I'd like to know how she does it, I'd also like a general list from her also. It seems like she hasn't taken much of a stand in this game, which makes me think she might just be anti-town.
Walnut doesn't give much content as a chronic condition. I don't think it's particularly pro- or anti-town behaviour however.
ShadowGirl has been lurking the whole game, I understand her position, but I would like more actual content from her than small one liners and the rare massive post.
Hadhfang is one of the few I think is town. He continued to bring up his bandwagon and the reasons for it even after it had passed.
CF Riot is particularly town to me because he tends to make a lot of logical sense, but at the same time seems very careful not to brush people the wrong way.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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EBWOP: It seems Netlava's name got lost in pasting from word somehow. It should be there before 195 under Camn's name.
To clarify, this is looking at things I find scummy, or otherwise important. Not necessarily an indication of who is most scummy by number of posts mentioned.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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I didn't see the need to say again what I have already said.
Me wrote:Concerning the SK thing, I only brought it up because everyone was assuming that there were 3 mafia. I specifically said that in a 12 player game there is usually 3 mafia or 2 mafia and an SK. I wasn't trying to stir paranoia. I was just saying that there are other possibilities.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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As far as I know that is Thesp's general playstyle.ShadowGirl wrote:Well, Thesp is rubbing me the wrong way with saying he is absolutely sure that Netlava, Tinsley and farside22 are scum. :/
It is clear to me that Netlava switched suspicion to Walnut when Walnut became the #2 target, to divert attention.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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He did unvote, when he asked the mod about Thesp's vote. If someone else could hammer in tandem for Thesp, I don't see how it changes anything. As far as I'm concerned we're in extended twilight.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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*cough* Dodging the question *cough*charter wrote:So then your case against fark is me answering questions?
In unrelated news, I still think charter is scum, he's doing a wonderful job of self contradiction and incriminating himself by answering questions targeted at other players, and not in a very pro-town manner either.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Macavenger sure seems a lot more gung-ho today.
I'm curious about Thesp and Macavenger's thoughts about Charter.
- After one vote seems suspicious to me. So I'm just going to 'hop aboard' andcharter wrote:All aboard.Vote: charter.
What's with all the Walnut hate and the lack of votes on him anyway?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Checking in. And I am posting decently regularly CF Riot, it's just that daily posts tend to get lost in this flood that you call discussion.
I am going toUnvote. I am going to keep watching and make a new assessment. Anybody have any objections?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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This is what I'm talking about, I asked if anyone had any objections, and you go out and vote me. Is this in response to charter's post, mine, or are you ignoring them both and trying to distract from yourself? I think that by the time D2 rolls around the time for voting for pressure is over.Farkshinsoup wrote:Hmmm, LG has contributed absolute zero on D2 and seems to really be trying to fly under the radar. Perhaps he could use a little pressure.
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I'm about to go away until Tuesday. No internet access. No one lynch anybody (including me) until I get back.
Especially since you said that
Now is the time to find your scum and stick with it. And screw anyone that says this is OMGUS, but 2 page contradiction is a way too much for me.Farkshinsoup wrote:
Bad for townies, perfectly acceptable for scum.Macavenger wrote:
So you're suggesting it's good for townies to vote for people they don't find scummy?Farkshinsoup wrote:So in answer to your question, no, in my opinion not voting would not have been the best course of action for a townie in that situation. Voting for Netlava would have been.Unvote; Vote: FarkshinsoupCharter, I still suspect you, so don't get all high and mighty.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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You said it was bad for town to vote someone they don't find scummy, you just did that. That is clear cut to me. Also, you are deliberately trying to defer focus from you. I'm also expecting a vote from charter on his next post.Farkshinsoup wrote:Wow, LG, that was a huge over-reaction to my vote.
Explain to me why I'm not allowed to vote for reactions on Day 2? Where is that in the general rules on Page 1?
I think your OMGUS vote (just because you point it out and say that it's not, does not make it so) has shown me that my pressure vote was a sensible move.
As for your assertion that I contradicted myself, I'm sure you are quite aware that Mac and I were discussing the specific situation of the hammer vote on Day 1. My vote for you here is completely justifiable, whether I think you are scum or not.
Also, my vote hopping is certainly not going to distract anyone from finding me scummy. It's ridiculous for you to assert that.
I'll leave my vote where it is for now, thank you very much, and I'll try to get around to a reread on you when I return.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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I mean that you voted without reading that, which makes me doubt your credibility.charter wrote:
Seriously? I read it.Lord Gurgi wrote:
Are you admitting to not reading my post?charter wrote:
WHOA. I honestly did not see this until after I voted.Lord Gurgi wrote:I'm also expecting a vote from charter on his next post.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Requested post. So help me, if anyone uses the 'YOU WOULD SAY THAT SCUM' logic on me again I will explode.
-My problem with this entire post is that it asks no questions that I can answer, it is filled with anger, and if I do respond in any way, he, and you charter, use the 'YOU WOULD SAY THAT SCUM' logic. At this point I am officially giving up on deterring charter and just hoping to convince everyone else.Netlava wrote:Lord Gurgi:
- Did not answer what the point of bringing up the SK discussion was (avoids this question a second time later)
- Votes Charter way back, clings to this vote, affirms his suspicions of Charter multiple times, yet does not push the bandwagon
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In this post, he pretends to want to hear my defense and then subtly attacks my accusations of Riot.LG wrote:Hmm, I really want Netlava to defend himself first. He might be continuing on a suspicion from the last game. (I have suspicions about a number of players doing this) Did he hound you last game?
1. "I really want Netlava to defend himself first" - False concern as it should be obvious that I'm going to defend myself. What he's really trying to do is make his intended bandwagoning less obvious.
2. "(I have suspicions about a number of players doing this) " - And just how did you get these suspicions? I'm guessing you skimmed the thread of the last game. So why ask "Did he hound you?" when you already know the answer? Set-up! You could have just stated it outright.
- Disguises the post as "giving me a chance" and "due turn"
- Votes me "until I provide some decent explanation." More like until I get lynched and hopefully no one notices right!? Doesn't push my wagon.
- Dissapearing act enables him to dodge a bunch of my accusations so that I have to summarize them again for him.
-When I said 'I really want Netlava to defend himself' it was in order to stop a fastwagon like the one that happened to Hadhfang before he could defend himself.
-I have NOT read the other thread, nor do I intend to, however I think that many people (particularly scum) are accusing the same people as last time to make it easier to build a case.
-Yes I did vote for him and he never gaveany decent explanationhe just accused me of being some great mastermind somehow controlling the entire town in bandwagonning him.
Question: Can someone explain why I am being strung up for the Netlava wagon alone?
Note: The reason I am posting again is that there was nothing for me to talk about, all that was happening was a few people complaining about Walnut not being lynched today.
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Charter's reread (Gross mischaracterizations)
33 - In response to your scum speculation.
69 - I wanted an explanation from the personwho said it first
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174 - No. Just no.
176 - Why then do you feel comfortable bandwagonning me for two days without throwing up a solid case until now?
188 - Is that not the purpose of your post now?
434 - 577 Sigh. It is rather clear that you have characterized me as scum, so if you could tell me how I could convince you otherwise, if that is even possible.
634 - WOW. Just wow. Never be a vig ever. You have the WORST case of tunnel vision known to man, what I was TRYING to do was rid myself of any tunnel vision I might still have and read with as little influence as I could manage, why don't you try that instead of reading for my scumminess.
642 - That's exactly it, he was voting me to get me to post more, NOT because I was scum (at least not from what he said). As I have said this is the time to pick your scum.
Scum (In no order): Charter, Farkshinsoup, Macavenger
It is rather hard to defend against someone who everyone views as 'scummy town'. Vote me or don't I'm tired of people talking about it.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Yes. Yes.camn wrote:Whether you are tired of it or not isn't particularly relevant.
Now, Gurgi.
Regarding post 174-176.
You are stating that 174 was simply a Defense of Netlava? You were just trying to slow down the wagon until he had a chance to defend himself?
Are you saying you had no plan to vote him AT THAT POINT?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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As I said before, when someone jumps down my throat, suddenly out of nowhere accuses me of being some great controller of the town just for trying to preemptively slow a wagon on him, I voted him because that is as jumpy as you can possibly get.camn wrote:@ Gurgi....
so how was it that, 2 posts later, you ended up VOTING him?
Be Honest. What changed your mind?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Building a case under the assumption that I am scum is a bad case. Building a case under no assumptions, then reaching a conclusion based on your findings is a good case. Yours is the former.charter wrote:Ok, the only things LG has done that you could consider productive is feebly push mine and Netlava's lynch, so from my point of view, he's done nothing to help the town.
And yes, I have found scum, this is the same as last game where everyone had found me, except now it's LG. Walnut is still very high up there and I'd gladly take a Walnut lynch if no one else votes LG. But if part of my case is bad, let me know and I'll clarify.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Pre-cognitive psychic, don-cha-know. Of the three, I would pick Fark, because the town won't lynch the other two.CF Riot wrote:You're saying the answer to a question I asked in 669 is in post number 660? WTF?? Anyways, no. I read your 3 suspects (in no particular order). My question is "Which of the 3 would be the best lynch today and why?"(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Well, consider this, I think they areCF Riot wrote:Ok, here's some good LG evidence. "Who's the best person to vote for?" "The easiest to lynch of course!" Not because he's the scummiest or because there's the case on him is the best.
Urgh. Camn just voted someone who wasn't even on the LoS she posted 1 page ago. I don't know how to digest this at all. I'm also bothered by the fact that your trend on Charter is: Scum+Vote -> Misguided town -> LoS #3 -> "Maybe not so bad!"allscum, so what is the problem with pushing the one where there is the slightest possibility rather than what would seem a complete impossibility? On your scum list is #1 the only scum, or would you be happy with any of the three dead?(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Day's gone on too long,Mod: Could we get a deadline?.
I'm noticing that both Walnut and Fark are voting for Tinsley now. I would say we should wait for ShadowGirl, but I don't think she would contribute anything to break us out of the petty arguments.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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I'm asking for a deadline because discussion is becoming petty and pointless. If you're honestly pinning asking for a deadline as a scum tell then I bow to your almighty framing abilities.Farkshinsoup wrote:FoS Lord Gurgi.
Did you just ask for a deadline?! That's pretty damn convenient, since that bandwagon against you just recently evaporated.
I really don't want to have to switch my vote AGAIN, but I'll do it if you don't convincingly explain to me why you requested a deadline.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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I have never seen a deadline placed on a town be detrimental to a town, because it makes the town cut the garbage out, and move onto actually scum hunting, the fact that you're voting me for asking for a deadline is ridiculous.Farkshinsoup wrote:LG wrote:I'm asking for a deadline because discussion is becoming petty and pointless. If you're honestly pinning asking for a deadline as a scum tell then I bow to your almighty framing abilities.
So you think that the discussion has become petty and pointless. I don't entirely agree with that, but I can see your point, the day has dragged on a while. So how does it help to request that a deadline be imposed on us by the moderator? Wanting the day to be artificially shortened is beneficial to scum, especially scum who would like to force town to choose between someone other than themselves.
You can dismiss my suggestion that this is a scummy move with snide comments, that does not make it any less scummy.
Screw it, I'm switching my vote again.
Unvote. Vote: Lord Gurgi.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Wait wait wait. You're saying it's a scummy move because I'm scummy, but if a towny player did it, it would be a towny move?Farkshinsoup wrote:
There are two different issues that you are trying to make one issue. First: deadlines imposed by moderators and whether they are good for town. Second: requests for deadlines from scummy players in order to corral the town into lynching a townie.Lord Gurgi wrote:I have never seen a deadline placed on a town be detrimental to a town, because it makes the town cut the garbage out, and move onto actually scum hunting, the fact that you're voting me for asking for a deadline is ridiculous.
I'll concede that on the first issue, I pretty much agree with you, it does tend to cut out the garbage. The second issue seems pretty clear to me, and my voting you for it is in no way ridiculous.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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Yes, exactly. You're making a none-scummy action scummy, because I'm doing it.Farkshinsoup wrote:
Please don't put words in my mouth, LG. What I'm saying is that deadlines imposed by the moderator, of their own volition, are a different matter. The reason that I am voting for you is that you very recently were under fire for your scummy play, so the timing of YOUR REQUEST to cut debate short seems highly suspicious.LG wrote:You're saying it's a scummy move because I'm scummy, but if a towny player did it, it would be a towny move?
Nice try, though.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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1. Because she has throughout the game not contributed very much, I'm not sure when she was supposed to return, but she apparently still hasn't.Farkshinsoup wrote:Why not wait for her, see what she had to contribute, and then decide whether to ask for the deadline? Why are you so sure that she wouldn't have anything interesting to contribute? At the very least she has a vote that isn't on anyone at the moment.
Also, why not ask the town whether any of us wanted a deadline imposed before you unilaterally decided to request it?
I'm not implying that these are necessarily scum moves, I'd just like to hear your answers.
2. Yes, let's hold a vote, since that's working so well for finding scum, I'm not going to pass every decision I make by you.
I will not elaborate on this point, as I think doing so will cause the town to go off on a tangent.Farkshinsoup wrote:Who, exactly, were you referring to here? Please elaborate.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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I've posted more recently than camn. Thoughts about that? I have been contributing for a while since I was wagonned.charter wrote:Actually,unvote Fark, vote LGLG has once again gone to non-contribution as soon as he's not in danger of being lynched, I'd like to urge him to contribute some more.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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No I said that because you obviously wanted to comment on it, because you've been crusading against deadline since I first suggested.Farkshinsoup wrote:
Never said anything about holding a vote, but I do find it interesting that when you imagine consulting with the town, you immediately thought of me. I thought you said I was scum.Lord Gurgi wrote:
2. Yes, let's hold a vote, since that's working so well for finding scum, I'm not going to pass every decision I make by you.Farkshinsoup wrote:Also, why not ask the town whether any of us wanted a deadline imposed before you unilaterally decided to request it?
Sorry, in future I will remember to hurt the town, I am serious that when you want me to tell you things about last game and its effect on this one, you're only inviting more confusion.Farkshinsoup wrote:
Yes, this would be consistent with your recent attempts to ape Thesp's "I think we've done plenty of talking. It's time to lynch someone." attitude. Of course, as I've pointed out, you have a vested interest in cutting off discussion and forcing a deadline, seeing as you're scum.LG wrote:I will not elaborate on this point, as I think doing so will cause the town to go off on a tangent.
I don't blame you for avoiding these inconvenient questions. I'm at L-2, and you have 1 vote, mine. If I was scum and was in your shoes, I wouldn't feel too pressured either.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough