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Why did you random vote initially? Jordan would be an obvious target for a non-random vote.[/quote]MonkeyMan576 wrote:Unvote:
Vote: ~Jordan
Wagons are a good thing. Ending the RVS early is a good thing.
Didn't see the post, obviously, but posting the obvious can be a good way for scum to avoid attention, also.-
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Because I take a cautious approach to making attacks early in day 1. I find exaggerating what happens early in the day often leads to mislynches. Also I've been trying to determine the motives for the softclaim, the whole scenario seems a little strange to me.MacavityLock wrote:SL, you need to clarify like now. Does PR mean post restriction or power role? Do you have an anti-town role or anti-town power?
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What does this mean, you don't like to contribute?~Jordan` wrote:l
I'm a habitual spammer...but now its Daytime, and I promise to help you kill scum, however may it be done. But killing me is not killing scum or neutral or whatever you people can come up with that you think will help you advancement.-
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Gee, OMGUS much? I vote you and you finger me back? Without an explanation except that I seem "strange"?~Jordan` wrote:MonkeySudo wrote:Because people often take things out of context on day 1 and are quick to assumptions, and like I said, prone to exaggeration.The rush for information and to appear pro-town often leads to mistakes. People often don't realize the advantage a successfull day 1 lynch can have or how badly a mislynch can hurt the town.So I like to observe as much as attack early in the game.[/quote]
And I like to start it.
My random vote (dont even remember who it was for), was to trigger the reaction which would occur. I hate it when its too strong, but note that I am new to this thing, though thats a moot excuse.
Now, for the question:
Kirbyoshi seems strange to me, as well as monkeyman.
eKim seem good, asking for facts.
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Just because you're answering a question doesn't mean it obsolves you of having to provide examples. And I don't think the question was directed on the wagonee so much as those who might be less biased.MacavityLock wrote:Vote: MonkeyMan. Jordan is directly answering a question about the people on his wagon. That's not OMGUS. I agree that Jordan should add more on why you and Kirby are "strange", but your calling this OMGUS is scummy.-
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I voted early in the wagon pretty much for the sole purposes of wagoning and eliciting a responce. The wagon wasn't at 5 when I voted.Ectomancer wrote:
You have the right to actively defend yourself by demanding an explanation for 'strange', but MCL is right, it wasn't OMGUS. His basis for vote on you also has merit as you seem to be making Jordan's assessment of you out to be a scummy attack, when it was a response to a direct question. That is a bit of a derived method of building a case that a wagon of 5 would seem to demand.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
Just because you're answering a question doesn't mean it obsolves you of having to provide examples. And I don't think the question was directed on the wagonee so much as those who might be less biased.MacavityLock wrote:Vote: MonkeyMan. Jordan is directly answering a question about the people on his wagon. That's not OMGUS. I agree that Jordan should add more on why you and Kirby are "strange", but your calling this OMGUS is scummy.
That being said, I don't think Jordan has helped his cause since the wagon started. Laying hints to his role in his random vote. Trying to defend future behavior by saying he's a "spammer". Then what I feel is an OMGUS, and (so far) pointing fingers without providing examples. Wagoning is a perfectly valid early game strategy, even without an extensive case, as it can be useful in
provoking reactions and catching scum, but, as said above, I think there are plenty of reasons to be suspicious of Jordan at this point.-
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Ecto is clearly reaching here and upset that he has been connected to Jordan. He is not defending himself, but choosing to attack me with what is essentially a psychoanalytical case, not any case based in strong logic. Note that he completely ignores the Jordan wagon, suggesting that his "case" on me is stronger than what's already been presented against Jordan, which is based on several observations, not just a weak psychoanalytical presumption. I never said I was cautious in everything, I said it was important to balance observation and attack, rather than just recklessly attack, especially once you have been targeted(which is essentially what Ecto is doing).Ectomancer wrote: Look right here. He is reluctant to touch Spring's softclaim because he's trying to determine the motives for it. Really? Then what makes Jordan's any different?Monkey wasn't sure that it was a softclaim and wanted Jordan's response to gauge whether he did or not. Wait a second, I thought he was cautious and tries to figure these things out? And it isn't as though the "bad luck" topic wasn't already broached to Jordan by me and responded to by him. Yet "cautious" Monkey needs to route out a softclaim? I thought he found that exaggeration leads to mislynches? Calling Jordan's first statement a softclaim isn't an exaggeration?
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How are you "clearly town aligned?"springlullaby wrote:Clarification: PR means Power Role.
I'm clearly town aligned.
I'm not answering to any other role related question since with those clarification my last post should be clear enough for now.
I have other comments at this point but I'm choosing to let this game stew for 24 more hours.
Doese claiming power role automatically mean you are telling the truth? Why are you afraid of people asking questions, do you have something to hide?
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I don't have a double standard. When I suggested caution, I was explaining my overall approach, not a case by case basis. I'm more aggressive on Jordan because I find him scummier. The whole case against me seems to be based on faulty psychoanalysis.MacavityLock wrote:I'm feeling good about the Monkey-wagon. Ecto's catch of being cautious with respect to SL while not being cautious with respect to Jordan is a good one.
However, the following is ridiculous:
That's a massive stretch. Occam's Razor suggests that not re-logging in under the correct name is an easy and innocent mistake to make. That is, I can't read it as anything but null and it tweaks my scum-dar a bit by saying it's not null.Ectomancer wrote:P.S. - I believe that posting under your alt repeatedly in this game is your method of making it difficult to analyze and follow the thread of your posts. You might make an actual effort at logging in under the name you are playing this game under.-
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She's the one that brought it up. It seems disingenuine to softclaim and then criticize those that are suspicious. I'm not calling for her lynch, or asking for more role info, just an explanation of her actions.Ectomancer wrote:
I believe that Spring is saying there is no ambiguity in her alignment, but from her initial post we can assume her role is somewhat unusual and she is possibly at issue on how exactly to use it. Take it as an explanation that something odd may happen and she may be at the cause. We can take it as scum setting something up from the get go, or town warning us of a consequence of her actions to help avoid confusion later.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
How are you "clearly town aligned?"springlullaby wrote:Clarification: PR means Power Role.
I'm clearly town aligned.
I'm not answering to any other role related question since with those clarification my last post should be clear enough for now.
I have other comments at this point but I'm choosing to let this game stew for 24 more hours.
Doese claiming power role automatically mean you are telling the truth? Why are you afraid of people asking questions, do you have something to hide?
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Take it as scummy, or take it as neutral. Ask Spring about something else, but I think we've heard enough about the role.-
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That's a pretty strong accusation. I would rather my alt not be the focus of discussion, because it is not intentional. It seems to me that you are trying to focus attention off of your own actual in game behavior.Ectomancer wrote:
I believe that the first time was an honest accident. I believe that subsequent incidents are deliberate sloppiness once he realized the effect it would have.MacavityLock wrote:I'm feeling good about the Monkey-wagon. Ecto's catch of being cautious with respect to SL while not being cautious with respect to Jordan is a good one.
However, the following is ridiculous:
That's a massive stretch. Occam's Razor suggests that not re-logging in under the correct name is an easy and innocent mistake to make. That is, I can't read it as anything but null and it tweaks my scum-dar a bit by saying it's not null.Ectomancer wrote:P.S. - I believe that posting under your alt repeatedly in this game is your method of making it difficult to analyze and follow the thread of your posts. You might make an actual effort at logging in under the name you are playing this game under.-
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Except no one was asking any more role related questions, and it seems the statement was more like an excuse not to answer any kind of questions. It's pretty easy to group nearly any kind of question into role-related if you are determined to do so. I'm supspicious of those that try to restrict scum hunting.Ectomancer wrote:Heh, well I've seen no discussion of my in-game behavior, so it would be rather difficult to take discussion off of it hey? It was not I that brought your alt into the game in the first place. You logged it in and posted. At the very least, by my bringing up the topic, you might make a real effort to login under one name now mightn't you?
I didn't see Spring criticize anyone after the softclaim. She said she wouldn't answer anymore role related questions. I don't see how you can say asking her why she softclaimed isn't pursuing the role itself when it is clear that the function of the role itself is what made her mention it in the first place.-
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Even if you are not heavily defending Jordan, what you have defended him on, what he has defended you on, your cooperative attacks, your failure to defend an entire case, and the poor logic of your attacks lend me to believe that you are scumbuddies.Ectomancer wrote:
While functionally you may see no difference, attacking your attacks on Jordan is not the same as defending Jordan. The closest I have come to defending Jordan is to say that as a newer player he is more likely to be inclined to breadcrumb or 'softclaim' a role, meaning his action there at worst would be a null tell, if indeed it was a softclaim at all.MonkeyMan576 wrote:This is getting rediculous. Ecto and Jordan have been defending each other and attacking in tandem the entire day.-
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What I'm saying(I can't speak for Kirb) is that if Jordan is scum, he may have made a rookie mistake by fingering Kirb and I, two people he knew were town(in a hypothetical Jordan-scum scenario) and that had already voted for him. Furthermore, the undeniable connections between you and Jordan at this point gives the town the possibility to catch two scum right off the bat, wheras the case against Kirb and I is very weak.Ectomancer wrote:
Excuse me? Are you trying to say that attacking Monkey through his case points on Jordan is scummy and that by doing so, you can only be defending Jordan and in a scummy manner at that? You are stretching as far as you can on that one, both of you.Kirbyoshi wrote:ecto wrote:While functionally you may see no difference, attacking your attacks on Jordan is not the same as defending Jordan.Functionallythere is no difference, and functionality is what really matters, imo. Maybe you're being a little too careful that you don't defend him directly, but how is that less scummy than defending him indirectly?-
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I'm not dodging anything, and it's not making things up. It's called case building. And what you're doing is strawmanning. You're failing to argue against my entire case and trying to nitpick against one or two parts of it in case someone wants to join your wagon. My case is hardly desperate or fabrication, every time you defend Jordan, especially in your strawmanning, weak argument fashion, you are digging yourself a deeper hole.Ectomancer wrote:
Dodging.
That's a lot of gibberish that doesn't address the point and makes up some new things while at it. How does that even begin to address whether attacking a point in someone's case against another player is scummy? . Where did you even come close to saying that Jordan is possibly newbie scum and as newbie scum would be more likely to pick two town players, you and Kirby? (I can point to MD to demonstrate where he was already warned about avoiding casting suspicion on his partners) Where have you shown where Jordan is more likely be newbie scum than newbie town to even begin looking for scum buddies? And in fact, isn't this scum buddy accusation nothing more than OMGUS distraction to keep from answering to your inconsistent behavior?
Now, you may count this as a defense if you like, but I'll point out yet again that what I've done is dispell the validity of your attacks and explain where the scummy motivations in your actions are evident. An Ecto/Jordan connection, other than that fact, is desperate fabrication on your part.
As far as the newbie scum argument, I've already presented my case against him, and the combined scumminess of you and him put together strengthens my case.-
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I'm not sure what I can do to further my case on scum-ecto and scum-Jordan, I think I've presented a fairly strong case. It may not have been strong in the beginning, but I think their behavior since then has reinforced my case. I think it would be a good idea for those of us voting for Ecto or Jordan decided on one wagon. If we get to a point of 5 on the wagon(L-2) I don't think it would be unreasonable to ask for a roleclaim.-
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I didn't say my case wasn't strong, I said it wasn't strong in the beginning. The more I heard from the two, the more it reinforced my case. And Jordan never disagreed with my case, he just said I was "strange" without giving any explanation. He's still lurking.ekiM wrote:
This is a real gem. You admit your case isn't strong, and assert anyway that Ecto and Jordan just must be buddies; after all, why would a townie disagree with a weak case like that? That's an... interesting... thought process to go through.MonkeyMan576 wrote:I think I've presented a fairly strong case. It may not have been strong in the beginning, but I think their behavior since then has reinforced my case.
And the stage of the day has no bearing on weather someone should be asked to roleclaim or not. The debate between ecto and I has been fairly intense, and I don't think both sides have been presented and there's not a whole lot more to be gained by excessive debate. That being said, I'm always willing to listen to opinions, but I don't see a whole lot of people offering anything new.-
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That's not what I'm doing at all. What's with all the psychoanalyzing? I have actual semi-hard evidence of a connection between two players and people are coming up with all this fluff stuff.Eldritch Lord wrote:
It looks extremely scummy to me that you're levying the choice of which one to consolidate votes on to others rather than making the suggestion yourself, it certainly sets you up for a nice position on Day Two if whichever one you consolidate on turns up pro-town -- gives you someone else to blame.MonkeyMan576 wrote:I think it would be a good idea for those of us voting for Ecto or Jordan decided on one wagon. If we get to a point of 5 on the wagon(L-2) I don't think it would be unreasonable to ask for a roleclaim.Especially when my formal logic post at the bottom of page four has outlined, fairly clearly, based on your reasoning which one to choose.
I'm happy with my vote.
That being said, I'm not suggesting your logic in wrong, merely suggesting that consolidating on jordon or ecto would bring a better result.-
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If you don't think the cases are very strong, why don't you try to find your own scum, rather than lynch those that are willing to put themselves on a limb trying?Eldritch Lord wrote:1. Fair enough. It's still not the most beneficial style in terms of the town.
3. That should be all that matters when you have this little to go on.
4. Not one that would provoke any meaningful discussion or give any decent evidence as to my alignment
Your reasoning, at this point, simply does not make sense in any scenario other than both players being scum. It is my suggestion that you consolidate on Jordan, should you choose one, however I still feel Monkey is the best choice for D1 at this point.
Regardless, Ecto/Jordan/Monkey are all lynches I would be okay with if we were to hit the deadline right now seeing how as none of the cases are particularly strong. Still, given the choice I'd take Monkey over Jordan over Ecto.-
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I disagree, L-1 gives scum the opportunity to drop the hammer before the roleclaim, so L-2 is the more ideal time.ekiM wrote:I should have said earlier---saying that L-2 is a good place to ask for a roleclaim is anti-town. A claim should be requested when someone is ready to drop the hammer. Forcing claims too early helps scum.-
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That's why I said the roleclaim was conditional on being at L-2. I never said RC right now. I've pushed for the Ecto/Jordan voters to consolidate for awhile now. Jordan seems to be the better choice, and I continue that assesment.Ectomancer wrote:Why would giving scum an opportunity to be at a defined position on a wagon be a bad idea? Still, I don't think that requesting at L-2 is what is scummy. Here's what might be scummy Monkey, you actually were after an L-4 claim. You were appealing to players on one wagon to join another for the sole purpose of forcing a claim. Well, you only had an L-4 case. You need tobuildto an L-2 case to ask for the claim. That's what I think is the issue.-
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That's not what I was saying at all. I'm saying that voting for people that are casebuilding and scumhunting, when you're not willing to build your own cases, is scummy.Kirbyoshi wrote:
Sooo...you're at each other's throats basically on everything else, yet you come together at this one point? You don't think Monkey could have a scummy motivation for saying EL is simply piggybacking without posting any real suspicions?ecto wrote:I believe that Monkey and myself are the parties involved and we are asking you for your other cases. I really don't think that you want to attempt to argue that we haven't exhausted the argument.
Wait a minute...
Monkey's comment to EL seems like a scummy GTFO move, as evidenced above. It sounds like "There's enough people on me. Go find someone else to pick on." Pretty scummy if you ask me.Monkey wrote:why don't you try to find your own scum, rather than lynch those that are willing to put themselves on a limb trying?
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Right now. I wasn't dodging the question before, more I didn't realize is was something people were demanding an immediate answer to.Kirbyoshi wrote:
Really? When you posted the "request for consolidation" you did not endorse either lynch in particular, simply that the wagoners come to a consensus. When did you say (since you've been attacking both of them) that you thought Jordan was a better lynch than Ecto?Monkey wrote:Jordan seems to be the better choice, and I continue that assessment.-
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I don't think his case is strong, at least not as strong as mine. He can say his case is based on strong logic all he wants, it doesn't make it fact. The fact is his behavior, being unwilling to attack or stop defending Jordan, and refusing to recognize this, has strengthened my case, wheras I don't see that ecto's argument is anything more than attacking my argument.Kirbyoshi wrote:
Does not explain the fact that you, by the post to which I originally referred, attempted to discredit EL's arguments, when he has said time and time again that his arguments are based on sound logic, whilst you have been at least semi-flip-floppy on your cases.Monkey wrote:That's not what I was saying at all. I'm saying that voting for people that are casebuilding and scumhunting, when you're not willing to build your own cases, is scummy.-
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Like I said, I didn't see it as a big issue at the time, I saw valid arguments for a Jordan or Ecto lynch, and still do. The case against Jordan is just stronger at this point, since he started the OMGUSing, poor arguing(they're "strange") and the Ecto case revolves around Jordan's original behavior.Kirbyoshi wrote:
Seems to me that it would be obvious that if you ask for consolidation, the person who requests it should be the one to choose the target. You just left it wide open.Monkey wrote:Right now. I wasn't dodging the question before, more I didn't realize is was something people were demanding an immediate answer to.-
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I second this, this, in conjuction with his willingness to lynch scumhunters, gives me enough reason to change my vote for the time being. Not that I'm not still suspicious of Jordan or Ecto(especially Jordan), but the argument has run its course for the time being. I also agree DDD's L-1 vote raises eyebrows.Ectomancer wrote:
This statement isEldritch Lord wrote:I was kind of on the same boat as Snix, just waiting for someone to do something that I legitimately identify as scummy. Ecto and Monkey are both definitely still on my radar, but I can't pin them down beyond cases that make way too much inference.entirelyinconsistent with your very recent insistence that we stay focused on the Jordan/Ecto vs Monkey situation. If you were waiting for someone to do something scummy, why were you opposed to getting additional cases that would present that opportunity?
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I think scum would be more likely to be concerned with wording errors, as they would be more worried about being caught in a fake roleclaim.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
Of course I'm careful with my wording, it doesn't help me as town or scum to make mistakes of any kind; let alone silly wording errors.Eldritch Lord wrote:You're very careful with your wording DDD, you weren't just voting, you were setting someone up to be hammered. There is a scary amount of finality and certainty to that given your lack of recent posting.
I have no reason not to project the confidence I feel on the matter. It could be WIFOMed to death, but I'd suggest that my willingness to take a hard stance with confidence is a town-tell and that scum are more likely to waffle and try and keep their options open. Certainly when I look back at my scum play that's the primary issue I see.
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I second Ectomancer's facepalm.
Also, it's pretty scummy to be directly promoting your own towniness, it causes one to think that your motives for your actions are not to find scum, but to project towniness.-
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Well, refusing to claim when asked is usually scummy, and lying as town is definately scummy-looking. My best chance to survive the day as vanilla is to claim vanilla. At least this gives the town the chance to find actual scum. According to Jordan, it would seem, he would favor lynching a vanilla townie than look for scum in this instance.Ectomancer wrote:He's subscribing to the "I Agree" portion of this poll. The problem with these polls is they ask these questions in a fishbowl. This is the Ocean and there is more to consider when deciding upon a lynch than their claim. Like the state of the rest of the game for instance.
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If you refuse to claim people will assume you are hiding something, and will presume you to be mafia. They will pull their "claim, or else" shtick, then lynch you, then you are one less townie. Pointless.~Jordan` wrote:Lol. How does claiming decrease the chances of you getting lynched? You claimed vanilla townie. Any mafia can do that and get away w/ it.
Im not going to read something above this post and consider it true.
Your argument is much dumber
But lets not debate. You did what you did; but it makes no difference in my opinions of you.-
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I think if I were looking for "protection" I'd claim a power role, but it would be a lie, and subject to counter claim.~Jordan` wrote:
what extra townie vote? As stated: claiming vanilla doesnt protect anyone from being lynched.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
I would argue the extra townie vote outweighs whatever knowledge the mafia would gain.~Jordan` wrote:Nonetheless; the end result is the same, except if u survive, the mafia knows ur plain.
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No, you want me to be lynched, regardless of my alignment, obviously.~Jordan` wrote:
so you want to be lynched? Sigh. I'm getting nothing from this convo.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
I think if I were looking for "protection" I'd claim a power role, but it would be a lie, and subject to counter claim.~Jordan` wrote:
what extra townie vote? As stated: claiming vanilla doesnt protect anyone from being lynched.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
I would argue the extra townie vote outweighs whatever knowledge the mafia would gain.~Jordan` wrote:Nonetheless; the end result is the same, except if u survive, the mafia knows ur plain.
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sigh. That's poppycock. You truly believe you're making sense? So far, uve misunderstood everything ive said to come up with a faux defense.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
No, you want me to be lynched, regardless of my alignment, obviously.~Jordan` wrote:
I would like a valid attack, you could attack me for claiming vanilla, you could attack me for not claiming vanilla, it's a null tell. Trying to push a illogical attack, however...MonkeyMan576 wrote:
I think if I were looking for "protection" I'd claim a power role, but it would be a lie, and subject to counter claim.~Jordan` wrote:
what extra townie vote? As stated: claiming vanilla doesnt protect anyone from being lynched.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
I would argue the extra townie vote outweighs whatever knowledge the mafia would gain.~Jordan` wrote:Nonetheless; the end result is the same, except if u survive, the mafia knows ur plain.
Sigh.
so you want to be lynched? Sigh. I'm getting nothing from this convo.
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And I'm saying it's not wrong to claim vanilla, and you seem to be in the minority on the matter. You haven't answered how the mafia gaining information outweighs the town possibility losing a vote(mine) if I'm lynched. The truth is you are pushing a scummy case.~Jordan` wrote:sigh. I'm not pushing anything. Just saying it was wrong to claim vanilla. Done. k?
I am not convinced u are town and so my vote stays. This debate over strategy isnt very beneficial or meaningful.-
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Because it seems like you are trying to stop your wagon and push mine, without regard to the logic you are using. You said claiming vanilla was a scum tell, and now you are saying it doesn't stop a lynch. Backtracking, much?~Jordan` wrote:
agreed. But claiming vanilla doesnt make a difference. Why are you attacking me simply for questioning a role claim?MonkeyMan576 wrote:And I disagree I would "be lynched either way", most players will avoid lynching a potential townie when given a chance. Just because I have the most votes at the moment doesn't make my lynching inevitable.-
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*Early roleclaimingcharter wrote:The only thing I saw in terms of Jordan talking about Kirby was "Kirbyoshi seems strange to me" in post 48. Is that what's keeping you from voting Kirby, or am I missing something?
Why do you think Jordan is scum again? I'm pretty sure he isn't scum. Ecto and Kirby look pretty buddybuddy to me. Something I think I missed in my first go I just now noticed, Ecto only votes after EK calls him out for not voting. Could have done it much sooner but didn't. Doesn't seem very town to me.
*Defending "spamming" behavior
*Early OMGUS
*Voting without reasoning("strange" statement)
*Buddying with Ecto
*Putting me at L-1(another OMGUS)
*Argument that claiming vanilla is scum
*Backtracking-
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Since DDD refuses to answer his accusations, and he was over-promoting himself early as obvtown, I'm inclined to,Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Kirbyoshi gets -1 points for failing to use any of the phrases "blatant(ly)", "ham-handed", "brazen", or "unabashedly" in his post.
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DDD wrote:Of course I'm careful with my wording, it doesn't help me as town or scum to make mistakes of any kind; let alone silly wording errors.
I have no reason not to project the confidence I feel on the matter. It could be WIFOMed to death, butI'd suggest that my willingness to take a hard stance with confidence is a town-tell and that scum are more likely to waffle and try and keep their options open. Certainly when I look back at my scum play that's the primary issue I see.-
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This is a valid observation. He said that he was going to present his case later on but never did, at least not yet. I assumed he was also going to explain how I was obvtown. Overpromoting someone else as obvtown can be as suspicious as overpromoting yourself, and I'm wondering about his motivations for suddenly coming to my defence. At first I was just gracious not to be on L-1 anymore, but looking at things a bit more objectively it looks a bit odd.Ectomancer wrote:
I'm also interested in what in charter's case he found to be "really good points", though I think there is plenty of case to be made against you.Kirbyoshi wrote:Hang on, I just noticed something...
This, especially the last sentence. Most of charter's case against me is bullcrap, yet you say he "raises really good points". This is more buddying-esque than anything anyone charter accused of it has done, and Monkey's been defending himself well enough recently, so...DDD wrote:Well if you're being honest about your role that's phenomenal for us. I've really disliked Jordan's attack on MM lately and MM has been calm and rational about the whole deal. I've got a lot of respect for you charter and you raise some really good points about Kirby so...
Unvote; Vote: Kirbyoshi
Unvote Monkey, Vote: Debonair Danny DiPietro
Monkey, do you find it surprising that charter played up to you so hard in his assessments? Go read back and notice he didn't mention youonceuntil he comes out with this "Monkey is obvtown" statement. Where did he come up with this? He never mentioned you or your case up to this time except maybe to reference the case as a means to accuse someone of being scummy.
Now go read his post again and tell me if it looks to you like he went into this with a "Monkey is town" disposition. How would he know your alignment so assuredly that his entire post was centered around the assumption that you are town? You'll notice he did this without providing a single comment in support of this idea, either in support of your comments, or in opposition to the details of the case against you.