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A moderator vote after a RVS vote?Zajnet, 21 wrote:Actually, VOTE: Slaxx for an incorrect signature.
What sort of question is this and what were you hoping to achieve?Science and Magic, 22 wrote:@Zajnet
How do you think you should behave the next few pages?
Why? From my experience Fate scum/Fate town on page one and two is pretty difficult to differentiate.CSL, 29 wrote:Vote: SaM
Fate is town.
"I've been caught for no good reason."Science and Magic wrote:LOL
KEEP GOING
YOU HAVE NOTHING AT ALL
THIS WAGON WILL PROVE INFORMATIVE
Why will the response be nonsensical or non existent? And why, if it is non existent, would we not want to know definitively that it is non existent, since then it is a phoney bologna read?Regfan, 42 wrote:and asking CSL for reasoning behind a read is utterly and completely pointless, his answer will be nonsensical or non existent.
What? How can we not question him and how can he hide behind long posts? That seems so counter intuitive, especially compared to the person he is questioning (CSL) who gave a short post to hide behind while also allowing him the ability to make up a reason later when questioned.Hinduragi, 67 wrote:I'm seeing a lot of nothing except words and overly long explanations to hide behind so we can't question him about why he did something. He is playing the same game I did in my first game. I can FEEL his paranoia of being caught as I read his posts.
Ooohh... I like this for scum posting. He's setting up Fate for a lynch later on if he doesn't die early game.Timeater, 81 wrote:@fate:
Must suck to die so quick in all the games you're town.
"Let's keep the scum distraction around a little while longer despite the fact I know he's scum." Seriously though, does anyone know of Slaxx having post restrictions before and whether or not he would likely include a debilitating post restriction in a game he designed?diddin, 130 wrote:Palisade's PR looks fake to me. We're not letting ASOS happen again. But I'm not up for lynching him yet.
Again, legitimate scum tell but voting elsewhere. Can't seem to keep his priorities straight with all the wagons he's attempting to appear to be supporting.diddin, 133 wrote:I think he's trying too hard and a lot of his posts seem forced, but I'd rather lynch CSL or Wraith.
There's so many scum this game it makes me sick. I think I'm most confident about
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I went through every game Slaxx has moderated and couldn't find a single post restricted role (my methodology included Slaxx's ISO in every game searching for role pm's at the end of the game and then Firefox searching by "restri". This obviously doesn't mean that he would never include one so has anyone more familiar with Slaxx (I've never even played with Slaxx before) know if he would likely include a post restriction (or rather be very unlikely to include one)? For example, I was confident that hascow's restriction in SoS mafia was fake because I remembered having a conversation with Faraday about randomized or arbitrary role mechanics and he said he was opposed to using things like 50% chance of success, actions that were not standardized, unstandardized punishments, etc.).xvart, 134 wrote:Seriously though, does anyone know of Slaxx having post restrictions before and whether or not he would likely include a debilitating post restriction in a game he designed?
I don't understand this at all, especially your foregone conclusion about his death tonight which hasn't happened proving he is town.Gaoth, 137 wrote:Palisadethinks he's clever, but a claim this early is simply bullshit. Nothing says, "Kill me now to spare a real PR" like claiming cop day one. When he doesn't wind up dead, it would basically be confscum. Palisade is townie.
What's your point? Having no reasoning meaning nothing means it is worthless to even ask? I fail to see how not asking for explanations is town motivated because asking for an explanation will either reveal one of three things:Regfan, 142 wrote:@ Xvart -CSL having a lack of reasoning behind his reads doesn't mean anything. In any band he had different reads on me and Gaoth after we claimed mason.
- He had no explanation to begin with and it was a false read for buddying purposes;
- He had no explanation and made something up that contradicted his posted mentalilty; or,
- He had a coherent reason for the vote.
In any case I want to know what his thinking was so what's the problem?
I completely agree with Wraith on Goath's "double speak" but I am a little wary of his extrapolation of the scum team with the conclusions he has drawn in 146. It seems a little like only seeing what he wants to see.
Can you explain to me the connections and how these three players are tied together?Hinduragi, 147 wrote:Regfan is town too. Nico, Wraith, and diddin are the scumteam. Let's wrap this up, lynch Nico first, and then nab his buddies.
The problem is you've identified seven people who I agree have marginally suspicious reasons for not voting Wraith; but if there are three scum then five or four of them are town (depending on Wraith's alignment) so the suspiciousness is muddled because a majority of them are town. And furthermore, I don't think the suspicious behavior of the people not voting Wraith condemns Wraith as scum because it could be scum members egging on a town mislynch while staying off of it. Overall, I think this analysis has merit, but not for the reasons you put forward. For instance, I think if CSL ever flips town then Nico, Zjanet, and Diddin all score major scum points for trying to push an easy-ish mislynch. Those three could be pushing a counter wagon while feigning support for scumWraith, but I think the rest on your list is pushing the limit a little.AurorusVox, 155 wrote:Wraith I'm sure on: just look at how many people ON THAT VERY LIST are saying "oh, Wraith is scummy but I won't vote him, I'll vote SOMEONE ELSE"
Nico has him as third scummiest. He votes CSL.
Zajnet calls him scum. He votes CSL.
Diddin "could" vote Wraith. He votes CSL.
CSL doesn't mention Wraith yet (>_>) and Pallisade is just lol.
Add Timeaster changing off Wraith to get on Nico
Fate voting him then loldropping it with Wraith's excuse post
Gaoth saying Wraith is scum but voting Nico
xvart gets off Wraith too (agree xvart is town, his hop off is the most protown one so far)
And now you're teasing me and saying he's scum but not voting for him...
Guarantee Wraith is scum since almost all of those interactions stink and he's at the centre of it all.
Care to share who you think falls into which category as you've outlined?Wraith, 160 wrote:So either some people are scum trying to avoid being stuck with the blame for lynching a townie, or they're townies who doubt my scuminess and are afraid to go too far with their sheeping.I only read quote walls.
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Okay, that's good enough for me to consider the post restriction fake; but I would feel a whole lot better if this was public knowledge somewhere or was it a private conversation? Furthermore, as you pointed out, Mastin has apparently site flaked so I think mastin's motivations for doing this is irrelevant as it would actually be TwistedSpoon doing it. If TwistedSpoon felt he was under pressure due to the restriction he created it seems like a plausible claim to either snuff the suspicion and hope for no cop or no counter claim; or at the least get a claim out for his buddies to capitalize on. Why do you think the fake post restriction is mastin's master plan when you said he had site flaked and therefore not around to actually scheme?Regfan, 166 wrote:Slaxx hates post restrictions and think they detract from the game meaning the post restrction is 100% fake. There hasn't been any point stating so until now because him posting like that means I don't have to hear his illogical and non-sensical reasoning behind his reads (I asked to /Out if Mastin /Inned but caved last minute due to the player list being amazing and me being a pussy). I've seen Mastin act and fake things like this previously as town and I'm failing to see him claim cop this early on as mafia as a counter-claim (Which is likely for a role as common as cop) would lead towards his lynch.
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I think you are improperly assigning motive to my intentions. If CSL had come back and said "oh no guys, I didn't mean it" or "reaction fishing" or "lol stuff" that would be something worth digesting and possibly lynching over it. I'm never going to assume what someone else is going to say and therefore not bother to ask it because of that.Regfan, 166 wrote:Don't get me wrong, I know where you're coming from the (More information is always better) angle but it's not the reasoning behind CSLs read that means anything it's his actual read, his reasoning is going to be piss poor or 'gut' regardless of his alignment thus asking him is fluff. Speaking of which I need to get to reading Nico later but I have to leave for cricket soon.
Yes, sorry. I was reading your post in isolation and not in context of your previous post. Do you really believe that all of the scum would so heavily push the exact same agenda and the exact same methodology? Isn't that a little risky, especially if you were to flip town? I think the assumption that you are scum isn't a foregone conclusion but neither do I think it is without any merit at all; which brings me to you saying these three people are scum for trying to lynch me by exhibiting the exact same behavior when no scum team in their right mind would push through a lynch like that on Day 1.Wraith, 167 wrote:@xvart: I have expanded. I think the scum are Gaoth, Regfan, and Nico. Everyone else is in the other camp except for the people who really don't care for the bullshit the scum and stupid are trying to push on me.
So you are saying that instead of actually scum hunting and playing the game they decided to fake a post restriction and then gambit for a NK while potentially outting a real cop? This is a town move how? And how is it a town move if it is apparently so obvious what he is doing and now everyone apparently knows that he isn't fake. If they are town they just screwed the town over by fabricating a debilitating and distracting restriction that they can't get out of now because if they do they are appear to be lying scum; plus they aren't going to get night killed now that everyone thinks they are LOL NK BAIT. Regardless, and I'm surprised I even have to say this, but there are plenty of reasons why a scum team would not target a claimed cop for a kill N1, so that line of thinking is invalid.Gaoth, 169 wrote:Palisade "claimed" cop. If there is the slightest chance that he is indeed cop, scum would be retarded not to kill him tonight. So, by his claim, he should die tonight. To me, this is textbook distraction claiming. A real PR wouldnt want to out this early, a scum gambitting would not pick such a common role. Palisade is trying to draw the nightkill so that a real PR doesn't take the bullet. This is town move.I only read quote walls.
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Can you explain this the logic behind this and to what it references? I can barely process the ambiguous "someone", the relevance to your connection not being a bus, and the connection to the link you posted.Hinduragi, 151 wrote:If both Wraith and Nico are scummy, then someone's wrong and one of them isn't scum because my link isn't a bus. I don't think it's Wraith.
I see the converse (if all suspicious people are voting someone I'm less likely to think the person being voted is scum) but the way you are doing this is really only valid pending a Wraith flip, and even then it's still pretty weak. Especially considering the vote count right now:AurorusVox, 173 wrote:@xvart - the rest were included to show that even if the scummy people are scummy townies, there are plenty of others who could fit the bill. Yes I know this lessens the impact when looking to people OTHER THAN Wraith, but I think it's a legitimate concern when considering Wraith himself.
The three people you have isolated out are the first and only three on the CSL wagon right now. If they were trying to push a counter wagon jumping in like that would be suicide if scumWraith ended up getting lynched and flipped town, unless of course they are smooth talkers but seeing the things you commented about their suspicion/voting list I don't think that is the case.CSL(3): Nicodemus, Diddin, Zajnet
The most concerning thing about your line of suspicion is that your vote on Zajnet was beyond legitimate and very justified but then you jump to Wraith because of the lack of people voting him. You essentially stopped voting someone who was scummy because of his unique behavior and are now voting someone based on other people's scummy behaviors. Additionally, if the most justified reason for you pushing Zajnet was because he wasn't voting where he apparently should be then you should be voting either Nicodemus, Diddin, or Zajnet for the same reason and not the person you think they should be voting.
How is he so town it hurts? His observation is totally inaccurate unless you think the following behaviors are town behaviors (hint: they are not):Timeater, 175 wrote:Gaoth is so town it hurts.
- Faking a post restriction that eliminates all ability to effectively communicate;
- Faking a post restriction that eliminates all ability to convey messages; and,
- Claiming cop on D1 in an attempt to draw a NK and risking outting a real cop.
Furthermore, and this is unsubstantiated speculation, but I don't see the benefit of playing in a hydra and faking a debilitating post restriction as it defeats the purpose of having a collective hydra mind; and seriously, how much enjoyment would two people get out of a game if they faked a restriction that is so difficult to communicate that they only posted every once in a while with a message that is so short and ridiculous. So much for two minds seeing the same game and communicating about how to help the town win. And the lurking doesn't help. Andy said in SoS mafia that if you have a restriction and you are town you find a way to communicate reads. I haven't seen anything of the sort from paliside.
Paliside is scum. AV is likely scum.I only read quote walls.
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Sorry, I got you and Gaoth mixed up on the page flip. It was supposed to be directed at Gaoth, but he hadn't posted between my last post so it is irrelevant.Timeater, 180 wrote:Invalid logic quote of mine in your last post eh, not seeing it. You mention me in your third post, but I see nothing there to really bother talking about. I agree with you about the Vox read.
Again the problem is you were (and supposedly still are) willing to lynch Zajnet for voting someone for Behavior X. Then you switched your vote to the target of a handful of people displaying Behavior X, one of which, I might add, is the person you were originally voting for (Zajnet).AurorusVox, 181 wrote:xvart: I still would like a Zajnet lynch today. However, my vote on Wraith was an attempt to get people to "put their money where their mouth is" and join me on the wagon. The absolute lack therein is very concerning and makes Wraith the best place for my vote atm.
Additionally, I believe you are making up things that don't fit with the chronological events of the game. The justification you are providing for abandoning your Zajnet scum read and wanting to lynch Wraith was to test other players and the fact that they didn't "put their money where there mouth is" makes your vote justified in the end. The assignment of "best place for your vote" comes after you already placed it.
Furthermore, in this post you said Wraith and Palasine were buddies of Zajnet. What was the connection between Wraith and Zajnet? Based on your posting you suggested that Wraith was scum based on his lack of vote while reading along and then even referenced this "case" later on.
I'll ask the same question about how Wraith and Palasine are buddies together and what their connection was. At that point in the game you haven't even mentioned them. Finally, what was the turnaround here when you said that the restriction "is fake but I'm not naive enough to think that automatically makes him scum." He was scum before and the only thing that came out between your contradictory posts is that the restriction is nearly confirmed fake.
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Adjust your votes accordingly.I only read quote walls.
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I know what you meant. Why is Wraith paired with Zajnet and why is Pallisade paired with Zajnet? Are they independently scummy and therefore buddies or are they connected by association to each other and therefore scum together?AurorusVox, 191 wrote:I meant buddies for Zajnet. Not sure if there's a reason to connect Wraith and Pallisade up at this point, Pallisade hasn't even mentioned him as far as I can tell.
Really? Why? I've asked several people why they think that is a town play and given a play by play manual on why it is not. Perhaps you can explain. Do you believe the claim? If you do, why would a player fake a post restriction as a cop and claim cop in his third post of the game (under very little threat of being lynched at the time)? If not, why would a town player fake claim cop and risk outting a real cop that counterclaimed him?AurorusVox, 191 wrote:Meh, Pallisade read shifted towards lolnull with his secret cop claim.
I also like how you claimed you never stated a scum read on Pallisade and then when shown you did call them scum you immediately have a clear moment on when you decided to downgrade your read on him. If you didn't think you ever thought he was scum then how would you know now when he became nulltown?I only read quote walls.
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It's not irrelevant because I want to know why you ever thought Pallisade was scum.AurorusVox, 195 wrote:Pallisade is null for me so asking me why he's paired with Zaj is irrelevant.
The part I really like, outside of the "I haven't said Pallisade was scum" when you clearly did say he was scum is the subtle discrediting of my overall posting shortly after I had mixed up a response I posted to the wrong person. A town response, even if you legitimately forgot you had a scum read on Pallisade, would have been the green portion of your post. Scum add in the blue portion. Town work with other people. Scum try to work with other people but also want to subtly discredit their attacker without dipping into OMGUS territory.AurorusVox wrote:xvart, you say it's a turnaround, but where have I ever said I thought Pallisade was scum?
I've not said Pallisade and Wraith are scumbuddies. That was timeater.Stop confusing everyone with other people and maybe you'll stop being wrong in your reads :\
What towntells has regfan dropped?diddin, 196 wrote:He seems like he's trying too hard to not make any enemies and feels very passive. Regfan isn't a priority right now and has towntelled a bit since my suspicion of him, but you really never can tell with Regfan. Voting for Nico is scummy to me because I have Nico as a townread, but I wouldn't lynch someone over it.
Saying "I am a role I am COP" is not a softclaim by any definition. If you remove the "conspiracy theory" then you can't legitimately say "I feel like the fake claim + fake post restriction is a town tell here" because that is exactly what it is: a conspiracy theory. I love conspiracy theories as much as the next person (and probably more than most) but this one I won't even buy into because it is so ludicrous assigning town motivation to Pallisade's posting. Two scummy behaviors don't make a town no matter how you slice it. Pallisade's disappearance makes it even scummier because they are hoping it washes under the bridge with everything else going on.Gaoth, 200 wrote:Maybe I'm just looking to hard for a softclaim hero like in Parabollocks in 00's Band Mafia. It we remove the conspiracy theory, I still feel like the claim is fake, but Palisade isn't scum for claiming such a common role. I get that its setup spec, but I feel like the fake claim + fake post restriction is a town tell here.I only read quote walls.
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With the insinuation that all my reads were wrong based on one posted directed at the wrong person.AurorusVox, 202 wrote:I was talking about your read on me as scum being wrong ._.
I didn't think it was rude at all, so no harm there. I just think it was scum motivated. Also, this:AurorusVox, 202 wrote:I still think you're town. And having some time away from the thread, I also don't think I can blame you for thinking I'm scum. That comment was partially made for comedic effect in an attempt to blow off some steam, since I was frustrated at being called scum AGAIN in a game with some similar players to DEFCON 3.0 - I just don't think I play a very good town game anymore so sorry if that came across as rude, it's more anger at myself translating into attacking you unfairly (esp. considering you didn't make the mistake I thought you had)
xvart is probably town do not read that comment as discrediting him anymore._.xvart, 201 wrote:I want to know why you ever thought Pallisade was scum.
How?Hinduragi, 206 wrote:Btw, AV is now conftown.
Last I checked it Sunday night hadn't occurred yet.Hinduragi, 207 wrote:Nicodemus wrote:Also, I'm going to be V/LA for the next couple of days. I'm helping to move my brother to college, and then turning around and moving myself to college. I'll try to keep track of the thread on my ipod, but there won't be much posting. I'll be back by Sunday night.
I'm sorry, Nicodemus. Your lurk to victory option has timed out. Would you like to phone a scumbuddy?
Not dropping town tells is not a lynchable offense.Fate, 208 wrote:Regfan hasn't dropped towntells xvart, plz tell me you're voting himI only read quote walls.
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If only it were this easy or clear cut. Someone not dropping town tells does not mean he/she is scum.Fate, 211 wrote:TOWNTELLS DROP TOWNTELLS
SCUM DON'T
I don't really buy this because you used it as an action verb ("Regfan has town telled since my suspicion of him"). In any case, can you show me another place where you have used "town telled" as acting less suspicious?diddin, 213 wrote:I use "towntelled" a synonym for generally acted more pro-town. My main suspicion of him was for a BS lurk callout on me that was a Gambit to get a read on me.
This game is frustrating me based on the sheer volume of scummy people.I only read quote walls.
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Be that as it may, I'll be very clear: I'm only interested in lynching AV or Palisade today; maybe Diddin.Hinduragi, 219 wrote:I can read AV like a book. I am pretty sure he thought you were town. Then you voted him. He just got back to having a townread on you. He's town. There was more and I think I called him town before that too but this is enough. Your bandwagon is definitely on a townie. I have a lot of history with AV too so I'm 100% confident in that read, at least.
Hey Timeater, you are beginning to become scum. Slowly but surely.
An isolated incident, especially one so silly, does not influence my read any.Wraith, 220 wrote:I've got an AV-town read. Last time he was scum he buddied the crap outta me.
What post did you read that oozed townie goodness that anyone voting AV must be scum?Fate, 225 wrote:I read that post and immediately thought: "Anyone voting AV is scum."
I'm totally up for a Palisade lynch. Several people have Palisade as "scum lynch tomorrow." I don't think I ever got a legitimate reason for why we should be waiting to lynch Palisade?Fate, 226 wrote:its seriously Regfan/Pallisade/Xvart (or Timeeater)
I'll take my night kill like a good soldier, but we SURE AS FUCK are lynching one of these today.
In fact, screw it. This is the lynch today and I will entertain no other lynch suggestions unless someone seriously scumslips.
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Now that it has been determined that this town is going to blindly do whatever you determine to do?Fate, 239 wrote:All right, time to break out an actual case.
I actually approach the game the exact opposite. Everyone is likely scum in my opinion and I evaluate the behaviors and motivations of the people and decide to lynch the one most likely to be scum. I post town reads very rarely and only in very unique circumstances.Fate, 240 wrote:NOW, the way TOWN can approach this game is that EVERYONE is more likely town than scum, and we need to SORT THROUGH THEM to get to the scum.
This is a total misrepresentation of what I said, and it should be obvious. I said "There's so many scum this game it makes me sick" meaning there are a lot of people exhibiting scummy behavior and you somehow think I, as scum, was laughing publicly about how easy it will be to get mislynches? Really? I'll remind you just because you want to see something doesn't mean it is there.Fate, 240 wrote:Why? From my experience Fate scum/Fate town on page one and two is pretty difficult to differentiate.
"Why is Fate town???"
There's so many scum this game it makes me sick. I think I'm most confident about
WHOAWHOA WUT. LIke Regfan said there are just players DRIPPING with mislynch this game, it makes him "sick" with joy at how easy he;ll have it.
You truncated my post to make your point. If you had left the post in it's entirety your point becomes invalid. The part you snipped out was "Fate, 240 wrote:I think if CSL ever flips town then Nico, Zjanet, and Diddin all score major scum points for trying to push an easy-ish mislynch.
Wow THREE people get to be scumreads for the sacrifice of only ONE mislynch!?!!? IT CANT GET BETTER THAN THAT TRADE.Overall, I think this analysis has merit, but not for the reasons you put forward. For instance,I think if CSL ever flips town..." The context of the conversation was discussing AV's analysis and how I think there was benefit of the wagon (or lack of wagon) analysis. Nowhere have I suggested lynching CSL so your sensationalize analysis is further invalidated.
I've explained my scum read on AV in sufficient detail. It isn't contained in one post if that is what you mean but rather over the course of my conversation with him.Fate, 240 wrote:How is he so town it hurts? His observation is totally inaccurate unless you think the following behaviors are town behaviors (hint: they are not):
Faking a post restriction that eliminates all ability to effectively communicate;
Faking a post restriction that eliminates all ability to convey messages; and,
Claiming cop on D1 in an attempt to draw a NK and risking outting a real cop.
"STOP READING PEOPLE AS TOWN FUCKING HELL"
Paliside is scum. AV is likely scum.
For all the PARAGRAPHS he gives on how people ARENT town, he sure as fuck doesn't explain his bullshit read on AUROUSVOX.
Misrepresentation again. I didn't say you can't lynch someone on the basis of not scumslipping; but you were pushing the angle of someone not dropping town tells should be lynched. And furthermore, I have no problem lynching a claimed cop when the claimed cop is obviously a lying scumbag. Obviously you agree with me on Palisade since you think they are scum with me; although you don't care about lynching Palisade today. You want to wait until tomorrow. So how can you attack me for wanting to lynch a claimed cop when you have also said the claimed cop is scum? You can't have your cake and eat it too.Fate, 240 wrote:What towntells has regfan dropped?
"WUT MORE TOWNREADS???"
If only it were this easy or clear cut. Someone not dropping town tells does not mean he/she is scum.
"You cant lynch scum that arent scumslipping hardcore... you need to lynch... THE CLAIMED COP INSTEAD! FUFUFUUFUFUF"
You will be sorely disappointed because me flipping scum will never happen in this game.Fate, 240 wrote:I'm totally up for a Palisade lynch. Several people have Palisade as "scum lynch tomorrow." I don't think I ever got a legitimate reason for why we should be waiting to lynch Palisade?
In fact, screw it. This is the lynch today and I will entertain no other lynch suggestions unless someone seriously scumslips.
^Lol this entire post. Pallisade now has a more than decent chance of being town with our Xvart scumflip.
AurorusVox, 246 wrote:"Be that as it may" - doesn't that mean "Sure, even if that's true"?1
And since Hindu has said he reads me as town 100%...2
If what he says is true...3
That would make me town.
And yet you'd still be interested in lynching me?4
1I was using the phrase as "regardless of someone else saying they think they can read you 100% of the time" and not "I agree that he can read you 100% of the time and agree that he must be correct in his read this time"
2Pardon me if I am not going to just fall in line if someone claims to be able to read another player 100% of the time. The fact remains is that, as scum, your goal is to appear town. If you know someone is in the game that can read you as town more often than not you will try even harder to emulate that behavior.
3The operative word being IF, and only in the context of IF he is correct this game.
4Yes.
You're taking what I said out of context. I was implicitly talking about your vote hop from Zajnet to Wraith and how you had stated a legitimate and justified reason for voting Zajnet when you jumped to Wraith on the basis of wanting to see if any of these scummy people would come and vote with you. You had a justified vote on someone and then you moved it to a very weak and logically inconsistent vote. And at the time of your vote switch you can't legitimately say that Zajnet was obv not getting lynched because the lynch leaders were Nico at 3, Wraith at 2, and Zajnet at 2. You are now justifying your vote with things that transpired after your vote. And even if it were true, why are you just now saying that you jumped off of Zajnet because it wasn't going anywhere?AurorusVox, 246 wrote:xvart says there are good reasons for me to be voting Zajnet but never votes him himself...especially interesting since he suggests I should have stayed on Zajnet instead of Wraith. Zajnet is obv. not getting lynched today, whereas Wraith is a potentially successful wagon, he'd rather move me onto the wagon that has no support to get me off the other one? Whilst taking credit if Zajnet ever does flip scum ("Oh look, I pushed him over Wraith to AV") and making my vote stick in limbo rather than on his other buddy...
The whole point, which is illustrated in your post 155, is that you are advocating the lynch of someone based onother people'sscummy behavior.
lol @ the "I need to make xvart look like scum which is difficult because I've called him town on a half dozen occasions, so if I look more closely at what I originally thought was a town motivated behavior it is actually scum motivated."AurorusVox, 246 wrote:He uses my analysis of WraithScum to turn it into three "scumpoints" as Fate outlines, in an attempt to deflect attention off of Wraith...possibly in an attempt to discredit the wagon. Early RVS bus with the first vote?I thought his hop off was pro-town, but if we look for scum motivation in the move we do find it(obv. get off his buddy at the earliest opportunity).
Again, the context of the quote in question was directly referencing your vote hop. You had a stated legitimate and justified reason for voting Zajnet and then you bailed for some crazy plan to see if scummy people would follow you onto Wraith. Scum can vote with legitimate reasons. So the problem is what?AurorusVox, 246 wrote:Also it felt like he was trying to discredit my idea that Wraith and Zajnet are scum together, when afaict he thought I had a legit reason for voting Zajnet and even thought that the cases for WraithScum "had some merit". Now conveniently both of them are outside of his lynch pool for today.
AV isn't going to move his vote to me without undermining himself. He's called me town on several occasions and I suspect that he really doesn't want me to flip because it will give more credibility to what I've been saying.Fate, 250 wrote:AV if you don't move your fucking vote to Xvart in yoru next post after agreeing with my case I will be very fuckin pissed. If you agree with my case, then my reads don't suck and my READS are that we aren't kynching ZAJNET OR WRATIH today, so move your fucking vote.I only read quote walls.
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So you admit to voting me just because I goaded you into it? What changed since your last post and why didn't you vote me then? Do you think my rebuttal of Fate's selective, out of context, and trucated quoting was scummy and is that why you voted me now? Or were you just setting the stage for a slow transition to voting me?AurorusVox, 256 wrote:I'll make a proper post tomorrow responding to yours, but "AV won't vote me" was the wrong thing to say.
So you expected me to turn around and vote you just because you threw together a piece meal selection of quotes to fit what you want it to fit? Nah. If you're not going to read my responses at least respond to this one part:Fate, 257 wrote:LIKE I EVEN NEED TO READ IT OR RESPOND TO IT, ALL I SEE IS STRIPES OF YOU WHINING AND FLAILING AND DEFENDING YOURSELF WITH NO OFFENSE INVOLVEDxvart, 255 wrote:
You truncated my post to make your point. If you had left the post in it's entirety your point becomes invalid. The part you snipped out was "Fate, 240 wrote:I think if CSL ever flips town then Nico, Zjanet, and Diddin all score major scum points for trying to push an easy-ish mislynch.
Wow THREE people get to be scumreads for the sacrifice of only ONE mislynch!?!!? IT CANT GET BETTER THAN THAT TRADE.Overall, I think this analysis has merit, but not for the reasons you put forward. For instance,I think if CSL ever flips town..." The context of the conversation was discussing AV's analysis and how I think there was benefit of the wagon (or lack of wagon) analysis. Nowhere have I suggested lynching CSL so your sensationalize analysis is further invalidated.I only read quote walls.
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Because my previous post to Fate (and a little to you) was the only thing I posted since your previous post. And you didn't indicate anything to suggest my challenge to you was actually scummy; just that it was the "wrong thing to say", hence the goading you into voting me.AurorusVox wrote:Why do you think I find your response to Fate scummy?
I made it pretty clear that it was what you said about me not voting you that pushed me into placing the vote.I only read quote walls.
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Fate doesn't make good points at all. For those who need a concise version of why his "case" is not valid:
- First, it isn't a scumtell that I question people's town reads, especially ones that are either contrary to my own or not obvious, so you can scratch the parts of his case about me questioning CSLs page 2 town read on Fate, me questioning Goath's unexplained town read based on a faulty read of
- Palisade, and my questioning diddin's out of the blue town read on Regfan;
- You can also take out Fate's interpretation of me saying there were so many scum the first few pages as I am scum, I love the fact that there are so many possible mislynches, and I am in fact so giddy about this that I just have to post about it since it is a totally unsubstantiated and complete stretch;
- You can also remove the "three scumreads for the sacrifice of one mislynch since he truncated the quote to fit his needs and I never suggested that we lynch CSL, which was the basis of his point;
- He says I haven't given an explanation of my scum read on AV when I actually have; and,
- The now town read on Palisade when we were previously paired together is also a stretch.
That's his case in a nutshell and why it is a piece meal of stretching, fabricating, misrepresenting, and convienent trucation of quotes.
Palisade's recent fake coded message says:
scum in ozt scum... Thanks for that townie goodness.
Cool. It is obvious why scum would claim cop under little actual pressure other than discussion about how the restriction is obviously faked where there is even less motivation as town to claim cop under little actual pressure. The clincher is that we have collectively established that the post restriction is fake and he still hangs on to it despite us knowing it is fake. What benefit is it to town to keep up the charade of not being able to effectively communicate and lurk around and NOT EVEN ATTEMPT TO COMMUNICATE. As town, he should drop the facade since the cat is already out of the bag and... you know... be town and help us find scum.Regfan, 269 wrote:The clincher though is Xvarts continuous avoidance from even attempting to question or converse with Palisade. Xvarts essentially voting a claimed cop and saying "Well you suspect the cop too so how is it scummy for me to be voting someone we both suspect!" when it's incredibly obvious that there's minimal reasoning for scum to claim cop so openly on D1 AND we can learn a lot more about their legitimacy via letting them investigate tonight.
Oh, and the clincher you mention about my "continuous avoidance from even attempting to question or converse with Palisade is quite laughable" as how do you suggest I go about talking to someone who has demonstrated they are only going to prod dodge and communicate like this?
Also, Regan, you haven't answered my question since you got back:xvart, 171 wrote:
Okay, that's good enough for me to consider the post restriction fake; but I would feel a whole lot better if this was public knowledge somewhere or was it a private conversation? Furthermore, as you pointed out, Mastin has apparently site flaked so I think mastin's motivations for doing this is irrelevant as it would actually be TwistedSpoon doing it. If TwistedSpoon felt he was under pressure due to the restriction he created it seems like a plausible claim to either snuff the suspicion and hope for no cop or no counter claim; or at the least get a claim out for his buddies to capitalize on. Why do you think the fake post restriction is mastin's master plan when you said he had site flaked and therefore not around to actually scheme?Regfan, 166 wrote:Slaxx hates post restrictions and think they detract from the game meaning the post restrction is 100% fake. There hasn't been any point stating so until now because him posting like that means I don't have to hear his illogical and non-sensical reasoning behind his reads (I asked to /Out if Mastin /Inned but caved last minute due to the player list being amazing and me being a pussy). I've seen Mastin act and fake things like this previously as town and I'm failing to see him claim cop this early on as mafia as a counter-claim (Which is likely for a role as common as cop) would lead towards his lynch.
Since my message is getting lost I'll post some bullets later on my suspects and why their behavior is scum motivated.I only read quote walls.
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Fate wrote:Of course XVART is going to say the case against him sucks.
Look past the lies, look at the entire game, wholistically, he is DEFINITE scum.
If I weren't so short on time I could elaborate why, but trust me this fuck is scum.
You can kiss that doctor protection you were so adamant about getting tonight goodbye when I flip. Fate still hasn't elaborated on why he truncated my post when looking at the quote in its entirely invalidates the point he was attempting to make.
Thanks for reading along so closely. Please show me where I said you were a mislynch.CSL, 273 wrote:xvart, how do you know I'm a mislynch?
The obvious scum motivation is that as scum Palisade would have recognized, even without votes, that people were seriously questioning the fake restriction. They probably didn't know about Slaxx hating post restrictions when they did it and when everyone starts talking about scum lying the obvious thought process is "I'm going to get lynched sometime, I can either hopefully cut this by claiming cop even though there is no tangible pressure if there isn't a cop in this game or at the least I can get the real cop to counterclaim."Regfan wrote:@ Xvart -I don't disagree, Palisadeshouldbe stopping this obvious fake posting restriction right about now or at least attempt to communicate understandably with it but him not doing so doesn't make him scum, just a terrible player and pushing them on that is opportunistic as fuck. I don't see how there's "Obvious scum motivation to claim cop under little pressure" at all, especially a role as common as cop whereas I do see him doing it as town to create some sort of authority or leadership over the day. There is also a difference between them being difficult to communicate with and not even attempting to communicate with them, you haven't once directed anything towards them in hope of furthering your read yet you were content enough stating that your vote wouldn't move of them.There is zero town motivation to claim cop with no tangible pressure; and the people that suggested it was a gambit to draw the NK are even more delusional since he risked outing a real cop and what scum team is going to kill a post restricted person who appears scummy? And I'm seriously laughing at the suggestion of claiming cop to claim authority or leadership over the day. If that was actually the case, his leadership and authority is terrible simply by the fact that he hasn't done anything to even try to communicate.
And finally, I'm not going to make an effort to talk to someone who has no interest in communicating when I believe that person is scum. It's just a waste of time.
How is my "flailing" related to you being too lazy to decode what Pallisade is saying, especially when I already decoded the last fake message.Hinduragi wrote:It looks like Nico is going to be able to lurk out of his lynch today? Hell no. Move your votes. xvart can keep flailing but if anything we keep him around because I'm too lazy to decode what palisade is saying.I only read quote walls.
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No. They are connected; you said: xvart can keep flailing but if anything we keep him aroundHinduragi, 281 wrote:The flailing isn't related to me being lazy. I'm just lazy in general.becauseI'm too lazy to decode what palisade is saying". What does your inability or lack of desire to decode what Palisade is saying have anything to do with keeping me around despite my alleged flailing?
You really want to keep arguing this? It's making you look petty and desperate. IF he's right that you're town, the operative word being IF. I don't believe he is right (that much should be painfully obvious) therefore you are not cleared of town because so-and-so player thinks you're town. It's unconfirmed third party information with no supporting evidence. If he wants to provide me with evidence to show all the games you guys have played together and all the times he's called you town and you have been town and the games where you were scum and he was town and he couldn't read you as town he is free to do so.AurorusVox, 292 wrote:So that means IFF he's right that I'm town, you want to see me lynched. Hurrdurr.
Because I'm assessing your motivations based on what you have typed, posted, and said. Scum can vote for justified reasons just as much as town can vote for justified reasons. Your vote on Wraith is horrible based on the reason you stated for voting Zajnet originally. You jumped ship on a stated justified reason to vote someoneAurorusVox, 292 wrote:If -YOU- don't think Zajnet was a justified lynch, if you're going off what -I- think, then why the hell are you judging the Wraith vote as unjustified? You can't have it both ways. I have a legit reason for voting both fmpov. You've either gotta accept that or admit that you're judging it on your own basis.because people other than the person you were voting were behaving scummy.
The fact that you are just now bringing this up is convenient now that other people are voting me and not before when you still thought I was town.AurorusVox, 292 wrote:The fact you're hovering between the two makes you scum.
Weren't you basically saying the same thing? Everyone on the CSL wagon at the time were people you were most suspicious of when you voted Wraith to test these people. You never denied that you thought these people were pushing a counterwagon to scum Wraith after you decided he was definitely scum because of the people on the CSL wagon refusing to vote for Wraith.AurousVox, 292 wrote:Not really. IF CSL ever gets mislynched then your "lolthreescum" comes into play. It doesn't require you to push his lynch, but you're setting up for the future.
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No.AurorusVox, 297 wrote:xvart wrote:You really want to keep arguing this? It's making you look petty and desperate. IF he's right that you're town, the operative word being IF
And the chain was IF x THEN y.
x was AV is town
y was you want to lynch me.
"If" AV is town, "then" you want to lynch me.IF Hindu is correct on his belief that you are town., which I clearly don't believe and no proof or further elaboration has been provided. Seriously, that is exactly what you quoted. The logical implication truth table you are pushing only works if I had said I believe Hindu can accurately read you. Where have I said that?
It is; but if you think I'm missing it then I missed your point. It appears that you are trying to discredit me by saying I agree with your reads and I am calling you scum for that. I'm not, I'm calling you scum because of your behavior and your posting unique to your stated motivations and priorities. I really don't know how to say this more clearly: you moved your vote from Zajnet (whom you had a posted justified reason for voting) to Wraith because seven other players were unwilling to vote for him (their scummy behavior). You are voting someone because of someone elses scummy behavior. If you think they are joined you should have been voting the people most scummy, like... wait for it... the person you were already voting for. If anything, your little test exercise should have been further evidence that Zajnet was scum; and if he flipped scum, then looked at Wraith for the possible not wanting to bus a partner.AurorusVox, 297 wrote:This isn't a rebuttal of my point.
I'm not backing off of anything. The only thing we have to go on are what people post. I thought your Zajnet vote was justified, as you had stated why you were voting him for his specific behavior.AurorusVox, 297 wrote:Well that's because it's only transpired recently that you're hovering between the two.
I said I found it scummy that you called it justified, then you tried to back off from that, and I'm calling that scummy too. How can I call that scummy when you hadn't tried to back away yet?Your Wraith vote, once again, was because of other people being scummy; not Wraith being scummy. That is not a justified vote compared to your previous Zajnet vote.
No, you didn't. You never identified and have never clarified why you originally though Wraith was scummy other than he is scum with Zajnet; which is further proof that you should have kept your vote on Zajnet since you had more posted reasons to suspect him.AurorusVox, 297 wrote:I was saying Wraith is scummy, people are fannying around about it.
Yes, a town flip I wasn't pushing, voting, etc. You are also negating the context of the full quote (the same as Fate): "Overall, I think this analysis has merit, but not for the reasons you put forward. For instance, I think if CSL ever flips town..." It was said in conjunction with me discussing how your Wraith vote analysis was faulty and you were incorrectly valuing it. Is my observation incorrect? But, your last sentence seems to know that CSL is a town flip and how would you know that?AurorusVox, 297 wrote:I identified what everyone had done but I'm not chaining lynches. Plus mine was looking for connections between two scum - i.e. if Wraith flips scum, I'll know where to start looking.You were chaining lynches for after a town flip, which is opportunistic and scummy.I only read quote walls.
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Oh no you don't. You don't come in out of the blue with your shit case and champion it for pages and then drop it. If you're going to champion that shitcase you better be ready to see it through. What? Are you disappointed that I didn't immediately come back after you posted your case and call you scum so you could go "LOL FLAILING SCUMZ" and then get everyone to jump on board? I'm not going to be the person you spent pages attempting to discredit without even responding to how shitty your case actually was just so you can try and get me lynched another day. Lynch me today or admit your case sucks and shut your mouth.Fate, 299 wrote:Xvart... ill give you a pass this time and ONLY this time because you used area tags and really seem to give a damn.
UNVOTE:
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He seriously can't be allowed to live after his last post.
You couldn't possibly be the third scum member could you? Would you be that obvious? This whole time I've been trying to figure out if there was scum motivation behind that case or if it was just misguided Fate going spastic; but why you picked me out of the blue to pull some nonsense "LOL SCUM PUBLICLY HUNTING MISLYNCHES" case is beyond me; unless you were trying to silence me or discredit me or distract the town. Is that why you added to your case that I'm scum because I didn't immediately mount an offense on you? Did it make you sad that I didn't fall into your little plan? I think you were trying to paint me into a corner hoping I went off the deep end like just another chump to dig my own grave; but I'm not just another chump who automatically thinks that someone attacking me must be scum.
I was 50/50 with being scum up until you backed off like you did. You unvoting me like that almost seals the deal for me in regard to you being scum.
And I just have to add that hunting for mislynches is the most atrocious thing I've heard considering the focus I've had on the people I suspect.I only read quote walls.
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I admit that you being scum is highly circumstantial and I only brought it up at this time because of your unvote while "saving" my lynch for another day. It is not something I'm interested in pursuing without some flips first.In post 307, Fate wrote:Uh...
Wait.
So I'm scum who, so close yo your mislynch, UNtunneled and voted elsewhere?
If you won't let me live until endgame you might as well finish what you started while my wagon is still hot. If you want to be lynching void of content players how about this void of content player who is also a liar?In post 307, Fate wrote:Hunting mislynches IS scumtastic, and you won't live to endgame if I can help it.
BUT there's no way I'm lynching you over the devoid of content CSL. You should be happy about this not turn full retard
There are plenty of other reasons you were spouting off for my lynch other than the singular misrep to which you are referring. I wouldn't think that one admitted flawed portion of your case would undermine the entirety of your case to warrant an unvote.In post 308, Fate wrote:The only part of my case ill adit was bad was where I accidentally misrepped you. I let it stand for a few pages to see peoples rreaction to it, and you know the BEST reaction? CSL. He buddied up to me and was like "Fates point is valid" and shit, when it clearly WASNT.
THAT'S why I unvoted you, THAT'S why I switched onto CSL. So pull your head out of your ass and vote real scum with me.I only read quote walls.
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The point of this commentary is what? What is your assessment?In post 317, Hinduragi wrote:Let's get this started off with one main point everyone should know: there is such a thing as town flailing and scum flailing.
Hey, Palisade. Not that it matters since your post restriction is fake and there are no parameters for your restriction and no penalty for breaking it even if there were, but it might help if you actually tried to communicate. You know, something like this:
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VOTE: My
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VOTE: I am scum.
My point is there is more scum motivation for claiming cop under those circumstances at that game state than there is town motivation. Plus, the part that seems to be overlooked is that they are making no effort to help AT ALL; which is indicative of scum faking post restrictions. Scum use post restrictions as a way to not help. Town find ways to help. Seriously, how hard would it be to once every two or three days (which seems to be their posting frequency) to actually spend some time to make sure their minimal message was actually accurate? We've had at least two messages that were unreadable and a few others that had no message at all.In post 323, Regfan wrote:Are you seriously attempting to imply that Palisade-scum claimed cop in hope to out the legitimate cop and trade themselves 1v1 because people suspected their posting restriction was fake in a mini where it's 3 scum maximum? There was minimal danger of them being lynched EVEN when their posting restriction wasn't being believed, the amount of other players suspected wouldn't have made claiming cop as mafia ideal nor likely. Is it stupid to claim, yes. Does them claiming mean that they're mafia, fuck no. Seriously read through Mastins games if you want to look at stupid claiming, attempting to continuously push that their claim makes them mafia is stupid. We're not testing a cop claim D1, not happening and you need to stop attempting to push it.I only read quote walls.
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I referenced Andy earlier in SoS mafia and I finally went back and dug this up as it is much more concise and a better way to say it:
In post 3151, Andrius wrote:Seriously, guys, if you've ever played with a PR its not that different from playing normally. It doesn't change how you scumhunt, or how often you post, or how much content you post. It only changes HOW you post. Cow was still active lurking, not contributing, and hardly ever voted late-game.I only read quote walls.
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What is this nonsense? Right in spirit? A mistake that wasn't even a mistake?In post 344, AurorusVox wrote:Fate.
Do you think your entire xvart case crumbles because of a "mistake" that wasn't even a mistake? What you were saying was right in spirit. Why are you letting it drop so easily?
What are your thoughts on this "connection"? You had a terrible slow creep onto my wagon so what do you think the connection is? I'd like to get this response pre-CSL flip before the game is closed if possible.In post 344, AurorusVox wrote:Thoughts on a CSL-xvart connection?
Pay attention everyone. This is the single scummiest post of the game.
Why are you so intent trying to tie everyone to me as scum partners. This post especially looks like you are trying to get permission to vote CSL at the deadline on the condition that CSL might be scum with unflipped me.In post 350, AurorusVox wrote:Hindu, thoughts on Fate scum with xvart?
And no claim. Awesome.I only read quote walls.
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What is this? You've barely said two words about Palisade all game other than on a couple town lists and keeping him alive to test his claim. What is this nonsense about swinging a Palisade lynch at this late juncture? Where were you all day and why do you all the sudden want to swing a lynch in his favor?In post 368, Nicodemus wrote:I don't think we can swing a Wraith or Palisade lynch at this point, and I don't want to lynch xvart, so.I only read quote walls.
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Sorry, yes; I overreacted. I didn't realize it was a progressive list (i.e. town to scum in order).In post 374, Nicodemus wrote:As you can see in that reads list you linked to, I've had palisade as one of my stronger scum reads throughout the game.
Negating the "caught" part you forgot to mention that I was the one that actually taunted him into voting me. He was still fence sitting/slow creeping to voting after your post.In post 384, Fate wrote:AND YOUR "HAHEAHEHAEHAH I CAUGHT XVART" SHT IS PISSING E OFF, SINCE I CONVINCEYOUTHAT HE WAS SCUM, NOT THE OTHER FUCKING WAY AROUND.I only read quote walls.
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This is so scummy it isn't even funny. In my experience, scum pat themselves on the back in public when they think they can get away with it. Seriously, you kept Fate alive? With your super scummy post? And I can't believe you are seriously asking why someone wasn't protected. There could be a thousand possible reasons. Let's add on some more to AV's scummy behavior:In post 401, AurorusVox wrote:My plan to get Fate through to D2 alive worked, but why the fuck wasn't Hindu protected?
Vote: xvart
- Voting for someone based not on that person being scummy but rather based on other people being scummy;
- Super scummy post "If Fate is alive tomorrow we lynch him";
- Patting himself of the back for being responsible for keeping Fate alive.
There is no way that a scum team would be like "oooohhh AV is got so much town cred and so much muscle in this town that he's going to run the lynch on Fate and everyone is just going to follow suit so we don't need to worry about killing questionable Fate; especially because of his super scummy post."
Vote for whom? Do you know Palisade is going to come in with a guilty or something?In post 403, Magua wrote:Gloriously, gloriously waiting for Palisade to post so I can vote them.I only read quote walls.
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I don't have a solid read on Fate right now either way; see this post.In post 410, Magua wrote:Counterquestion: Do you think Fate is town?
So basically the first scenario. Good to know.In post 293, xvart wrote:My prediction for tomorrow is one of two things is going to happen.- Palisade will somehow find a way to communicate that he got a guilty on one of his partners so he can buy town cred and ride it to the end like in hascow in Storm of Swords; or,
- Palisade's partners are going to immediately call for his lynch tomorrow and buy town cred with their tenacity since that is the general consensus (lynch him tomorrow).
These two scenarios only work effectively if the scum team secures a mislynch today because it would extremely challenging to sacrifice a teammate if we successfully lynched a scum today (the would be down two people at the end of D2).
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Hey Palisade. In your blathering about how intentionally cryptic your fake code was and how silly we all were for being unable to decode it you neglected to answer the following things:
- Why you decided it was a good idea to fake a post restriction;
- Why you claimed cop under no pressure and for no reason;
- Why you were prod dodging all D1;
- How you prioritized what you were attempting to say and why you decided it was important to tell us that Fate was annoying and not anything that was actually helpful; and,
- Why you actually suspected who you did and why, other than you "didn't like what AV was posting. At all."
Because I hadn't decided if I was going to vote Palisade or vote you. Nice question, though; so the relevant question is why are you not voting the person who you say is scum 1v1 trading for you? Why are you still voting me?In post 415, AurorusVox wrote:xvart why didn't you vote me in your opening post today?I only read quote walls.
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*No Content Since Day Began Noises*In post 421, Gaoth wrote:*Sheep Noises*I only read quote walls.
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This is as good as a scum claim in my book. Not voting the person who has to be scum from his perspective and won't vote Palisade unless everyone else agrees?In post 419, AurorusVox wrote:Because I'm waiting to see. If town wants my blood today to prove Pallisade scum tomorrow, I'll self vote. If town wants to trust me (lolI'mnottalkingaboutyouxvart) then I'll vote Pallisade.
And yet you still aren't voting the person from your alleged town perspective is confirmed scum.In post 425, AurorusVox wrote:Magua is the only one who has his head screwed on :\
Interesting that I was saying that since... his claim.In post 431, Fate wrote:Its just crazy enough....
to work....
VOTE: PALLISADE
HEAHHEHAEHEAHHAHA DIE DIE DIE
COP IN A ZOMBIE GAME?
THAT CLAIMED D1 FOR NO FUCKIN REASON?
What you smoking? I can't believe you are even trying to pull this. Lining up lynches? How? I want to lynch them both and have said as much on multiple occasions; order is of no importance to me since they are both scumIn post 432, Fate wrote:XVART TRYING TO LINE UP LYNCHES TOO
"PALLISADE STILL SCUM, BUT HES BUSSING HIS BUDDY TROLOLOL"
THEN HE LYNCHES PALLISADE TOMORROW FOR CRED?independent of each other.
And this is why I think you might be the final piece of the scum puzzle. I think that Palisade faked this restriction without consulting the rest of his team and it caught them off guard, and they were scrambling D1 because they didn't know what to do, especially when it was so obviously faked. Trust me, I know the feeling. The only way for scum faking obvious post restriction is to get as much out of it as possible (i.e. as many mislynches as possible i.e. uhhh... we can lynch him tomorrow) before serving them up on the martyr plate. The only problem (for them) is, in their scrambling I think the entire scum team, through their actions, tied themselves to Palisade in such a way that when one one falls they all fall.In post 436, Fate wrote:IM SAVING YOUR ASS, LYNCHING SCUM, AND CONFIRIMING YOU IN THE PROCESS.
AND YOU THINK IM FUCKING SCUM.
BULLFUCKINGSHIT
Well, I seriously doubt that we are in LYLO right now so what does it matter? Regardless, your vote needs to be on one of Palisade or AV since one is lying or they both are lying. There is no possible permutation that they both are telling the truth. What way to suggest resolving this pressing issue other than voting Wraith and sitting around?In post 437, Gaoth wrote:Personally, I would like to know how many mislynches we have before we go lynching people. That's why my vote stays on Wraith.just to test a claimI only read quote walls.
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So much for self hammering. But it was such a town thing to say...
We are not lynching AV right now; especially not until after Palisade comes and talks about something other than how great and clever his code was. I've also got more to say before this day ends which I'll be working on now.
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Fate, you can seriously stop with the town cred nonsense. You have literally done nothing to advance the town agenda this game. If anyone has barely a shred of town cred or even slightly deserves doctor protection it sure as shit isn't you. You flash wagoned CSL yesterday while going on about how there were better scum out there who you wanted to keep alive; you attempted to flash wagon, discredit, and smear me on horrible (and possibly scum motivated) reasons and then you backed into a corner with your tail between your legs with shaky reasoning when I called you out on it; you spent all D1 screaming for doctor protection and how any doctor without their head up ass would protect you; and, your vote on Palisade makes no sense given everything you said yesterday.In post 445, Fate wrote:Oh mannn how much town cred will I have when AV flips town without me?
MAN I'll just HAVE to be killed and then this will have all been a waste.
Fuckin hell derpplaylist
In post 313, Fate wrote:Xvart, Palisade has claimed cop. Thats it. PERIOD. WE'll see what happens later on what results he gets etc. etc. He's not for D1.
You were so adamant about saving Palisade for lynching today because he claimed cop and we could test his claim. Now Palisade has provided a result on scum (the test that result you were waiting essentially testing for) and you want to vote him because he has a guilty? That makes no sense, is counter intuitive and extremely scummy.In post 424, Fate wrote:AV's gonna flip town this is going to be funny
"Lol whyd we believe that PR fakin cop anyway"
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Hey Palisade, when it gets close to 48 hours and you decide to drop in to grave us with your presence you sure as shit better answer these questions.In post 417, xvart wrote:Hey Palisade. In your blathering about how intentionally cryptic your fake code was and how silly we all were for being unable to decode it you neglected to answer the following things:
- Why you decided it was a good idea to fake a post restriction;
- Why you claimed cop under no pressure and for no reason;
- Why you were prod dodging all D1;
- How you prioritized what you were attempting to say and why you decided it was important to tell us that Fate was annoying and not anything that was actually helpful; and,
- Why you actually suspected who you did and why, other than you "didn't like what AV was posting. At all."
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I believe you and Palisade are scum. I'm still on the fence about Fate, as I said yesterday I need some flips because I am unable to parse out if Fate is actually exhibiting scum motivated behavior or if he is just being Fate doing what Fate does.In post 458, AurorusVox wrote:Okay so you think it's a Pallisade/AV/Fate scumteam.
What am I copying Magua on? The other questions are ridiculous and see no reason to answer them. Why does any scum unvote someone (re: zajnet)?In post 458, AurorusVox wrote:
Are you just copying Magua?
What reason does scumFate have for unvoting me to vote Pallisade, since you (incorrectly) think I'm flipping scum?
Not really; the holes are only there because of lack of verified information; plus, everything I have said and the reasons I think you and Palisade are scum is not full of holes because they are based on explicit and unique behavior. The final piece of the puzzle is where the holes you reference are because at that point it becomes speculation.In post 458, AurorusVox wrote:You look logical and pro-town on the surface with all these questions
But there are massive holes in your arguments.
I was very clear with why I didn't want to end the day at this point: Palisade and I had other stuff to say before night. I want information from your lurking scum buddy and him coming in day two with a stupid post about how clever his faked post restriction without giving any substance or any justification for his scummy behavior and claiming is unacceptable. And again, asking me to justify your behavior is ridiculous. There could be plenty of reasons why you didn't self vote as scum; some WIFOM non sense about getting your scum buddy to get a hammer in or maybe to have us think your scum buddy hammered; maybe you just forgot; Maybe you were hoping for some town cred by not voting; or any number of things. But the real question is, as town who announced you would self vote because that is what the town wants why you didn't self vote? I mean, saying you were going to self vote while not voting the person who must be scum by your POV is scum city to begin with.In post 458, AurorusVox wrote:xvart, given your unvote, I assume you fear the day ending early. You don't want it to be over so quickly (even with what you think is a scumlynch). You want MORE time to do whatever it is you do? That means a quick end to the day would, in your opinion, favour scum?
So why didn't I (as hypothetical scum) self-hammer myself? I've done it before to end discussion. Why didn't I do it here?I only read quote walls.
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This is quite the turnaround from yesterday Fate when I was saying this all fucking day and you were like LOLOLOL TEST HIS CLAIM WHY WOULD SCUMZ DO THIS!!!@!" Did you see an opportunity to cut your losses and you thought your team would be in a better position if you cut Palisade out and hope that his scum flip would give enough town cred to AV by being the "victim" of scum cop claiming?In post 491, Fate wrote:Seriously, who ACTUALLY believes a D1 cop claim from a PR faking mastin troll?
He's fuckin scum.
This is getting ridiculous so I'm going to go ahead and lynch this scumbag because I'm sick of reading all this LOLPOSTING waiting for lurking Palisade.
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So I ran back into the office to get some wireless connection so this will be a short post. Expect more tomorrow.
I am literally going to rip someone's head off if anyone else talks about how we should have lynched Palisade who never once said it before.In post 502, Wraith wrote:Wow guys, I could have told you AV was town. Palisade should have died after he revealed his PR was fake.
Ever since the lynch flip yesterday my world was basically crumbled; however, Regfan came floating back to me and something that happened on D1 that I mentioned but never followed up on because I got too focused on AV/Palisade/and to a lesser degree Fate. Regfan's whole perspective and commentary about Mastin flaking and then defending actions of Palisade as something Mastin would do doesn't sit right with me. If he thought Mastin had actually flaked and then was defending the LOLCOP claim because it is something Mastin would do... I need to go back and look at this some more and the other comments he made about Palisade because I think this could be scum playing both sides of the game.In post 502, Wraith wrote:I still believe in the Gaoth-Regfan-Nico scumteam.
I think I mentioned it in this game (might have been another) but I find that scum are the most likely to publicly pat the scum team on the back for how the town is faring.In post 502, Wraith wrote:IMO the scum have played very well to leave us with a playerlist like this, since Zajnet, Nico, myself, and CSL have all been probably the most targeted players.
This is crap because they were my questions. I was the only one questioning Palisade and the fact that he had demonstrated repeatedly that he was anti town and not going to participate I decided it wasn't worth it to wait. So if that is your case bring it on. So how exactly does me deciding that the questions I asked and that I was the only one interested in seeing answers were not going to get answered confirm me as scum?In post 505, Regfan wrote:We only have one mslynch left and we're not wasting anymore, we're lynching Xvart today end of. Xvart essentially confirmed himself as scum yesterday by blitz-hammering while claiming the day shouldn't end until Palisaide answers the questions directed towards him. With the exception of Xvart though I don't have any other strong scum-reads, my scum-read on Wraith is continuously reducing in strength and I'm reading his attempt at putting together a case as terribad town rather than anything else but I want to read into his meta. Speaking of which Wraith you need to link me to your best and worst town and scum games, I'll read them tomorrow morning.
For setup speculation purposes I doubt there are three scum because town would have to have some serious power and we apparently don't have a cop in the game and we have an inventor (which I've never played with before but is a sketchy role in terms of power from my understanding).
Since he's already been outted I think Diddin should claim who he targeted last night with whatever invention he created and whether or not he would know if he got role blocked. Actually, I think before he claims anyone who received something last night should claim that first.I only read quote walls.
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In post 521, Magua wrote:xvart, two questions:
1) Do you think we're in mylo today?
2) Do you find Wraith scummy?- I haven't really decided yet. Based on the plausible PR distribution I mentioned I doubt we are in MYLO; but I have a tin foil hat theory that is making me think we are. I'll have a better assessment of that once the day sort of stabilizes.
- Yes; his first few posts today have been pretty scummy.
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Yes, it also makes no logical sense for you to be trying to argue my scumminess based on not lynching Palisade. All day yesterday I was advocating for the Palisade lynch. ALL DAY. Everyone said "no no no no, we need to test his claim." What happens? We get a "guilty" result on someone and now I'm catching shit because we lynched the guilty result instead of now discussing lynching Palisade? Why in the world would you have actually even considered lynching Palisade when you said yesterday we needed to test the claim, meaning you wanted to see if he got a guilty?In post 523, Regfan wrote:Xvart, you weren't the only one interested in the Palis answers to the questions nor were you the only person who directed questions towards him. If he was continuously avoiding responding to your questions how would that want you to speed-lynch his guiltyrather than draw out the day and potentially lynch Palisaide instead, it makes no logical sense whatsoever and I've read through a few of your previous games to see that you're not derp-illogical town.
And yes, I admit I was hasty in hammering but I wasn't expecting what happened because they both were scum together in my opinion. The thread was being derailed with LOLnonsense posting and I couldn't stand it and watch the wagon fall apart. I didn't consider that Palisade might be a third party lyncher and I fully anticipated AV flipping scum. You said you've read some of my games. From your meta sample do you think that I, as scum, would full court press a claimed cop?
And I'm not ready to start claiming but I do want to know why we are mass claiming because you said so and your thought process in determining that that is the best course of action. Especially if you are the one "that is dying tonight"?
In post 526, Magua wrote:I noticed many of your points against Wraith were on the scummy side, but you never actually outright called him scummy. So I was curious. If we're going to lynch today, I'd much rather lynch you than him, so I'm not even sure where you'd get that I'm looking to flash lynch him.
Who else do you think is scum?
I had a neutral read of him most of the last two days, or at least insignificant enough compared to Palisade and AV. His post today have been pretty scummy and I think he is likely scum but I still need to go back and see some interactions the previous two days. I was fishing a response from you because while I don't find very pointed questions to a very specific set of people scummy necessarily, there can be subtle manipulation and I was seeing if that is what you were doing. Silently weighing out possible wagons without committing.
Where did I say I thought everyone believed me to be scum? Regardless, I don't know if you recall or not but there was a decent wagon on me yesterday...In post 527, Wraith wrote:@xvart: Why do you think everyone believes you to be scum?
You're putting a lot of words into mouths in this post. Where was my scum read on Regfan "strong"? My very vocal scum reads up until start of day were Palisade and AV; and a lesser degree Fate by association to Palisade. What's your point? You look like you're throwing a big net and hoping to catch at least one fish, especially with your "eliminating WIFOM" motivations.In post 527, Wraith wrote:@Magua AND xvart: Both of you have held strong scumreads on Regfan for just about your entire time playing, yet neither of you have ever voted him. Can you elaborate as to why that is?I only read quote walls.
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Oh, so your invention aren't like "Put wrench and lugnut together and give to Fate" but "give 2 shot protection to Regfan"?In post 538, diddin wrote:I have an ability left, want me to claim it? And yes, I'm an Inventor. There will be RAGE directed towards Fate once this game is over.I only read quote walls.
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I found it. That is good enough for me.In post 546, diddin wrote:I crumbed that I sent Fate a gift during D2.
I don't think I'm misrepping you at all. By not considering lynching him D1 with the guise of testing his claim you are essentially saying "give us some results and then we'll consider if he is scum or not." If he had returned a innocent result would you have lynched him? The only possibility that anyone who said the day before "let's test his claim tomorrow" would consider is him returning a guilty verdict. If Palisade returned an innocent result you would have to operate under the same premise as the day before because nothing has changed with any level of significance to the game state. Why, after all the pomp and circumstance yesterday, would you be considering him scummy for returning a scum result?In post 547, Regfan wrote:@ Xvart -You're misrepping what I said massively, I never had any intenton of instant sheeping any guilty that Palisaide had to 'test his claim' but rather have them live until D2 so we have something to work of. Not everyone was saying "No, no, no!" to having Palisaide lynched at all, I was considering it and Fate was pushing for it meaning it was entirely plausible and possible to lynch him had the day drawn out longer.
How do we yield 2-3 cleared townies out of mass claiming? And what about if the scum have a RBer? And what if a ton of other things that only help scum plan night actions when we think we aren't in threat of an immediate loss with a mislynch today?In post 547, Regfan wrote:This no lynch discussion needs to end now, there's no chance this is mylo at all, Slaxx isn't a bastard mod like that. Further, lynching today means that mafia become forced to shoot towards me because the risk of me saving tonight would leads towards a potential extra mslynch. Mass-claiming is needed, we'll learn more than enough from that and should be able to get 2-3 clears at minimum.I only read quote walls.
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This is a terrible reason for claiming today. If there is no advantage to no lynching today there is no advantage to claiming today and to say otherwise is ludicrous. If you are really going to make the case for claiming today you need to make the case instead of just saying "I think I know what roles are in the game and if I'm correct..."In post 551, Regfan wrote:There's no chance in the world that this setup is just Day Talk Enabler and Inventor, there's bound to be more town power roles than that and if depending on the number of power role claims we get we should be able to work out if they're legitimate it or not giving us 'clears' so to speak. I have a good idea what power roles are in the setup and if I'm right there's legit no chance that there's a RB nor is there any reason or advantage in NLing today.
Under no circumstances should diddin claim his last power today.In post 552, Regfan wrote:Diddin, you claim your last ability after everyones mass-claimed, there's no reason to do it just yet.
Because the inventor isn't an immediate threat, especially now that he is outted. Nothing he does will threaten the scum team during that night, especially when he claims each day who he targetted (and even more so if the ability is claimed). I'm still not sure why you claimed the ability you received.In post 555, Regfan wrote:Magua,the newspaper costs money to read, fork it overif there's a scum roleblocker why wasn't Diddin roleblocked last night?
I agree with this assessment and find the V/LA unconvincing since someone V/LA could just as likely be scum. I don't find his lack of content the first two days scummy but his wide net of suspicion today is extremely opportunistic.In post 560, Nicodemus wrote:He's flailing hard. Like someone (Magua I think?) said, he's throwing out accusations left and right, just trying to get something to stick. He's called 5 players scummy (out of 7 possible) in three pages, but he wants to "keep his reasons to himself." In the words of Chuck Testa: NOPE.I only read quote walls.
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Your right; I suppose I did contradict myself but can you explain the scum motivation and how that makes me obv scum? It should be obvious that I didn't know how an inventor role works as evidenced by my post here. The only one I've ever seen put random pieces of non determinate pieces together and gave it to someone without knowing what it did. I didn't know diddinIn post 564, Regfan wrote:Xvart wrote:Since he's already been outted I think Diddin should claim who he targeted last night with whatever invention he created and whether or not he would know if he got role blocked. Actually, I think before he claims anyone who received something last night should claim that first.Xvart wrote:I'm still not sure why you claimed the ability you received.
We're not lynching Wraith today, we're lynching Xvart and if the above quote doesn't prove that he's mafia I don't know what the fuck will.knewwhat he was giving when he gave it and was assuming he gave a "doo wap diddly thing am a jig". I was looking for the confirmation of the role and not town Fate gambiting some nonsense and then a diddin scum team faking it from there since Fate never elaborated on it and diddin never confirmed it yesterday; hence why I asked the player who allegedly received it to claim first. But all that is beside the point and even if I blatantly and consistently contradicted myself what is the scum motivation and the scum gain from that contradiction? How does thatproveI am scum from your perspective? A contradiction is a contradiction so unless you can assign scum motivation for it you just have a contradiction.I only read quote walls.
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I'll respond to the recent posts in a bit but I forgot to mention the other reason I wanted the person to claim receipt of an invention was because in Halo mafia I passed a gun around and if I passed it to scum they wouldn't get it (I didn't know this until post game). This is why I asked if he would know if he was roleblocked or not so if diddin was town and nobody confirmed receipt of an invention then it might be because he passed it to scum.I only read quote walls.
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Wraith - you never responded to my questions I asked you here. Wraith's scrambling today is pretty obvious scum trying to get any lynch to stick.
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Let me rephrase: Wraith is just haphazardly throwing up suspicions on nearly everyone in this town while also advocating no lynch because he knows there are three scum in the game. In the event that his no lynch plan fails at least he has fallback lynches by the boat load. Also:I only read quote walls.
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Well, at the time of this post it was apparently because I was publicly teeheeing about all the possible mislynch fodder in this game.In post 583, Wraith wrote:1. You read my question incorrectly. What I meant was "What reasons do you think everyone has for thinking you are scum?" not "Why do you have a persecution complex?"
You said I had a "strong scum read on Regfan for just about [my] entire time playing". Regfan and I have only been "back and forth attack[ing]" today. Why the inaccurate "all game" reference? Are you scum with Regfan and saw the possibility of his flip and are trying to set either magua and I up for the next day fall if that did happen? This line of questioning makes no sense otherwise.In post 583, Wraith wrote:2. Excuse me for thinking the back-and-forth attacks between you and Regfan today put you at odds with each other.
Regfan - there is still no reason for a mass claim at this point and especially if you have a doctor ability. What does outting PRs do other than allow the scum team to know exactly what to do tonight? Then they have the fast track of exactly what to do, especially if they have a roleblocker. You yourself already said that you were dying tonight so why is it so important to out everyone else? And I would like to hear why you think the scum wouldn't have a roleblocker in this setup.I only read quote walls.
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And who are you voting for?In post 585, diddin wrote:prodded. nothing else to say.I only read quote walls.
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You mentioned before that you view me as a logical person so you think my logical plan was to force you to claim your given ability and then blatantly attack you for doing so? I'm not very good at being subtle I guess. And you didn't address my clarification and my misunderstanding of the inventor role; but whatever.In post 593, Regfan wrote:The scum motivation behind Xvarts contradiction is obvious, he was attempting to subtly attack and throw suspicion towards me for claiming the power that I was given while advocacting the claiming of it himself.
I still think claiming is a terrible idea today; but since everyone else is in agreement... I am a refugee. Regfan, you claim next.I only read quote walls.
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I did miss your refugee claim when you said you were given the doctor ability. I actually didn't mention the specific game where I saw the inventor because I don't remember which one it was (the combine two random things and give it away without knowing what it did). I'll see if I can find it. The game I did mention was where I gave the gun away but it didn't work for scum.I only read quote walls.
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Nah, just making sure there isn't an accidental hammer while the claiming finishes (and hopefully for Regfan's insight into why there can't possibly be a roleblocker. Don't worry. I fully intend to see Wraith hanging today.In post 608, Gaoth wrote:Why the unvote? Did his AtE break your heart of stone?
Magua - do you move during the night (i.e. the tracker ability would see you moving to Goath) or does the shot get redirected to you?I only read quote walls.
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Way to be melodramatic. Regardless of who dies tonight we most likely aren't lynching any of those people.In post 620, Regfan wrote:I'm going to make this 100% clear. If I die don't fucking dare even consider lynching Magua, Diddin, Banshee and perhaps Nicodemus though I'd suggest re-reading into him if the game doesn't end after Xvart and Zajnets lynches.
Me too.In post 621, Magua wrote:I'm good with this plan that involves Regfan dying.
Okay, everything is out there now.
VOTE: WraithI only read quote walls.
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xvart Mafia Scum
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The original wording about kills being redirected was what caught my eye and wanted clarification. If it was the kill being redirected then we had very few roles that actually moved on a regular basis: the scum kill, plus the limited shot abilities. I was trying to figure out if a one shot tracker would actually serve a purpose in a game with only one consistently moving role. Plus, Wraith is sort of correct but not in the context he put forward. I was trying to see if the one shot tracker was to boost the town's power (slightly) if the scum team had a two movement abilities.In post 632, Banshee wrote:In post 618, xvart wrote:Magua - do you move during the night (i.e. the tracker ability would see you moving to Goath) or does the shot get redirected to you?
What was the purpose of this question, please?
I would, hesitantly, say Nico is town out of the group. I don't have a read on Nico at all due to lack of participation but by PoE I think he is likely to be town. I think our scum are in Wraith, Zajnet, and Regfan.In post 653, Magua wrote:Question goes to Zajnet and xvart, too, substituting Wraith's name for their's in the list.
Not really. I had some concerns the first two days but my read was solidified today.In post 666, Magua wrote:xvart has spent the majority of the game attacking Wraith.I only read quote walls.
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