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I actually agree with a policy lynch but not that one
Vote: zdenek
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In post 29, Pine wrote:If there's anyone I'd consider PLing in this game, it's you, Beck.
You have an issue with me or rockstars?
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Oh I remember you now, the game where mafia didn't submit a NK but the mod took a comment and turned it into one? Yeah it deserves an asterisk cause mafia flaked and didn't submit a NK.
That happened in another game I played and the mod processed it as a no action sent.
It's called integrity, I'm sure that mod is a good person but violated the integrity of the game IMO.
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In post 41, Revenus wrote:If what you guys say is true
UNVOTE: whoever
VOTE: Beck
For whining about a game that has no bearing on this one.
you have reading problems? pine brought up the game as reason to pl me, I didn't bring it up and whine about it.
Vote: Revenus
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In post 38, Pine wrote:Serious note: Can someone explain the proposed lynch on DavidParker? Sounds similar to the attitudes I recall about Deity Kabuto.
Lynching DK is always the right thing to do.
Ok next you called me arrogant, which implies I think I'm good and I show it but I have never claimed to be good, even have admitted I'm not that great on this site yet. Plus that game was my 2nd game on site iirc so I was still learning the ways of MS
Useless? That's subjective
Intolerable? Again subjective.
Since that game I feel my play has improved as I have toned back my aggression. I hope to demonstrate my improvements each game I play, I feel like this should be my best game yet if I don't get distracted, so with that being said I'm done discussing that game cause it's pointless and it's distracting from this game.
I like the point made about TheA, it's sort of the same reason I'm voting revenous, he votes hiraki but says he meant to vote zde, when somebody mentions he should unvote he makes a lame terrorist joke instead of actually un-voting.
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In post 55, Slandaar wrote:what do you make of someone who does not correct a mistake and instead rolls with it? do you find it townie or scummy?
Personally it's null, but combine all his posts so far and it's a good place for my vote.Beck =/= The band
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has Mr. Parker even confirmed yet?
No posts from him is quite troubling.
Revenous, I don't need a list of reads, but your next post contain some sort of game content.
And can I suggest not giving mafia any info to help them? These "lists" of town to scum reads just gives mafia a better idea who to target and who to keep alive, plus they usually aren't useful. I'd rather the energy spent on making a case on 1 or 2 people.
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Lists help who figure out the game?
If making a list helps you, fine make a list and keep it private, the whole world doesn't need to see it.
Your list isn't going to help me figure out who I think is town or not nor should somebody elses list help you decide.
And beck won't be doing anything of the sort, so no need to worry.
Back to post 63, I said I don't want a list of reads, not sure why you asked me that when I specifically said I didn't need that, I just wanted something other than joke posts to help me read you better
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I just read it, I don't get why it deserves a pl?Beck =/= The band
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In post 80, Slandaar wrote:you guys do realise that he obv played terrible like this in the game which was quoted? its pretty null...
And theA is also a bad player but you want him lynched instead, why?
vote: zde
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Pine The only thing aggressive from me is my scum hunting and i haven't distracted anyone. As for the case on zde, usually when people dont understand things, they would typically ask questions to try and understand. Clearly you have no interest in finding out the reasons or you would have asked about it already.
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So for anyone playing at home, here is why I'm voting zde
1. Suggesting a PL to begin with
2. The fact he pointed to a rather weak reason for said PL
3. The fact that he votes the first person who questions him and his reason for his PL vote.
Interesting enough that's the same number of posts he has so far.
If he was joking like he claimed, he wouldn't have pinpointed the exact post number in a game, unless he had it memorized, he obviously had to go find the post.
Plus, the vote on pops, who made a content filled post in response to the PL suggestion, draws such a reaction he felt needed to vote him, not once trying to point out what was wrong with pops's post, just writes it off as "blathering"
This isn't town motivated behavior, and as such I'm thinking he needs more pressure and quite possibly lynched.Beck =/= The band
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if I thought he did that as a throw away thinking nobody would really pay much attention to it than yes I could see scum make that comment, especially because there would always be somebody like you to point out that he could take heat.
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I lol'd seriously, if spyrex didn't already have it wrapped up, i'd nom you for funniest player based on this commentBeck =/= The band
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DK isn't even in this game, but yeah if he is I'd PL him super hard
That being said, he isn't in this game so a suggested PL on player based on another game which zde tried to do, isn't going to fly. Plus he isn't going to get lynched most likely, but he absolutely deserves pressureBeck =/= The band
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Who says it doesnt count? You?
I put pressure on revenues with my vote for not posting content, and he posted content.
The case on zde is valid and is essentially the only thing going on right now.
I mean we could actually quick lynch you because you aren't scum hunting and you have only focused on me, but you really aren't making a case on me but attacking me with useless buzz words.
You accuse me of being aggressive and distracting, but you dont even back up your arguments with examples. Plus you say aggressive like it's a bad thing.
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In post 111, Zdenek wrote:pops wrote:
One liners are lurking.
First, you accused me of lurking after I proposed the policy lynch (during that time I posted nothing), and now you're accusing me of lurking for posting one liners on page one.
pops wrote:
Don't understand your last sentence there.
You're trying to attack me for making both a serious suggestion of a policy lynch and arguing it's also a weak suggestion for a policy lynch. If it was actually a serious suggestion, don't you think I'd try to make the argument a stronger, if it was possible?
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In post 125, Pine wrote:No, it isn't proof, but in the absence of evidence against him, I'm willing to give him a pass for now.
(See, Beck? This is how one scumhunts. You focus on more than one person at a time.)
ok seriously you and I are going to have issues this game.
I have actually focused on 3 different people so far, Revenous, Zde, and you
and let's look at your recent posts
1. you say sorg's reasons were the only convincing one, my reasons were just as good, but you have a bias against me so you aren't going to listen to me all game are you? (this is bad for town if you are town)
2. you say sky's post is a town slip - which it isn't
3. and than you say LOOK AT ME I AM FOCUSING ON SOMEBODY ELSE, I KNOW HOW TO SCUM HUNT
but how is calling somebody town scum hunting? looks like you are town hunting?
show me ONE SINGLE POST OF YOURS THAT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE SCUM HUNTING
i'll wait cause I've read your ISO 3 times this morning and can't seem to find a single one.
and on that note
Vote: pine
here is my recap of your iso
your 1st 2 posts are your rvs, nothing exciting
3rd post - you say you would consider PL'ing me
4th post - you explain why you would PL me
5th post - explain to sorg about that game
6th post - you ask for somebody to explain the proposed lynch on DP (note for later)
7th post - more verbal attacks towards me, this is where it implies your vote on hiraki is serious
8th post - this is where you attack my playstyle but fail to provide evidence to support it, you finally have a reason to vote me, and you say you don't get the case on zde at all. Why not ask someone to explain it to you like you did about the proposed lynch on DP? why ask about one and than not care enough to ask about the other. Plus explain why my case was non-sensical, I mean you are trying to discredit me right? well explain why i'm wrong
9th post - you make sure you let it know that your vote me is serious
10th post - this is again where you attack my play and say I am not scum hunting and ask for examples, but I am not allowed to include the wagon I started? lol This is also where you say that you find the case on zde weak, but again don't really bother taking the time to explain why it is weak
11th post - this is where sorg basically has said what I tried to say but in a more condensed manner and you say you agree with his reasons. My case on zde was basically he proposed a PL, when somebody called him out on it being weak, he votes that person. which is essentially the same as him backing off when pressured, but in reality attacking the person who called his reason weak (which is the reason I gave for voting zde) is a much better reason IMO
12th post - you call a post a town slip
13th post - you say it isn't prove he is town
14th post - this is where you say that sorg's case wasn't actually that great and more attacks on me. I am not fluff posting, YOU are fluff posting. I am posting REAL FUCKING reasons why people are scummy, unlike you
15th post - this is where you say you are on the fence with zde being scum, but your entire iso has you essentially disagreeing with his wagon, which means you don't think he is scum
16th post - what is scummy about a person calling themselves town? While I disagree with him being OBV town, I have no issue with a person calling themselves obv town. Like so far this game, 100% hands down I AM OBV TOWN and everyone voting me needs to cease and desist (are you going to vote me now?)
17th post - ooh wagon is growing on Zel, let me hop aboard this one.
this wagon on Zel is a wagon that makes no sense
the wagon on zde makes much more sense
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In post 143, DavidParker wrote:actually fuck it.
i dont hate you enough to do this.
Unvote, Vote: REvenus
This post just screams scum: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p3514009 Make a decision you useless chump.
I don't like how you jumped on zel after your previous inactivity, but this is a good point.
somebody calling themselves town isn't scummy or a scum tell, so rev is yet again trying to push a non-sensical vote, this is the 2nd time he has done so.Beck =/= The band
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In post 147, DavidParker wrote:So zelink deciding before game even began he wanted to lynch me on day 1 is fine, but me doing the same to him is scummy? Some quality contradictions there.
If his was page 1/2 than no, but when it's page 6/7 and he has votes on him already, than yes it's a tad scummy.
How is that a contradiction? His was obvious rvs, you missed rvs, its not the same.
@ pine, I'm attacking your play this game, not you as a person or based on my previous experience of you. Your play thus far is deserving of pressure. But I'll hold you to that, you can attack my play all day long, I can defend my playstyle. I can't defend adhom.
I'd like to know why you think aggressive play is scummy? I'd also like you to provide an example of how I have been distracting like you accused me of.Beck =/= The band
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In post 150, Slandaar wrote:In post 148, Pine wrote:
@Slandaar: How is that "calling myself Town"? Town scumhunts, Scum scumhunts, even third party scumhunts. The only people that don't are people too wrapped up in themselves to do it.
Scum dont scumhunt, they pretend to scumhunt, you cant genuinely scumhunt when you know who the scum are already.
Scumhunting implies town.
And this pretty much sums up pine's play, it is also how zde and revenous are playing too
Now if these 3 are all scum, I swear I'll die laughing but I honestly don't think all 3 would be THAT obvious. That being said, pressure on any if these 3 are acceptable for nowBeck =/= The band
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1. sure agressive play can be seen in a scummy light, but so can passive play, and you already know I am an agressive player based on the game where we played together, and you can look at all of my completed games and see i am agressive both as town and as scum. it's my playstyle so an attack on my agression is an attack on my playstyle which is un-warranted and un-necessary.
2. this is the second time you have accused me of being agressive, yet when I ask you to provide examples of my agressive play you don't post them, nor have you posted examples of my distracting play which you have accused me of also.
3. a true implies I am attacking you based on the previous game, which you have admitted is the reason for your attack on me, but I have said it isn't the reason for my attack on you. My attack(It isn't even an attak, it's pressure) on you is based on your lack of content and usefulness THIS GAME. If my case is crap like you say, explain why it is crap instead of trying to discredit it by saying it is fueled by irritation and omgus, because it isn't.
if my case is crap, please explain the following items
1. why do you originally say the case on zde is weak but than later say his actions were "suspicious" (your word not mine)? if his actions were suspicius, the wagon on zde would be justified right? you pressure suspicious people which is what that wagon was doing
2. You basically say "look at me I am scum hunting cause i am focusing on other people" but the person you were focusing on was somebody you just said committed a town slip and you don't think he is scum. How is this an example of you scum hunting and how does it prove your point?
3. I still woudl like you to post, at least 1 (more would be better) of you scum hunting
the problem I have with you pine is i keep asking you for info and you keep retreating saying i am attacking you for the same reasons you are attacking me, I have no previous biased towards you because you were scum in that other game and you won, your play was clearly better than mine.
my case on you may not be rock solid, but it certainly isn't "crap" (again your word, not mine)
If your next 3 posts don't contain the information I am asking of you, I will strongly urge you be lynched today because right now in my mind you look like caught scum and no my case isn't crap, neither of my cases have been crap.Beck =/= The band
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In post 159, Pine wrote:The case was (and is) crap, because it was poorly explained. When elaborated upon, I saw what was being pointed out, and the actions were suspicious. The two statements are not mutually exclusive.
An example of undue aggression? The way you keep hammering at me again and again without changing your rhetoric or making any attempt to have a two-sided conversation. Please stop flooding the thread with the same things over and over again. I will concede any remaining points you have against me, and leave it to the other twenty players to decide. Let's move on.
Asking you to provide evidence of your accusations against me is aggressive?
Asking you to respond to my requests to explain your reasonings for your posts is aggressive?
Than yes I'm aggressive, and you STILL ignore my requests. if you are town, why are you not willing to explain your actions?
I'm fine letting the other 20 people decide, unless something better pops up, I'm keeping my vote on you. From a town mentality, your play doesn't make sense.
We also have a shut load of people who need to post, and others who need to post content and not nonsensical horseshit (shattered this means you)Beck =/= The band
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In post 164, theamatuer wrote:One of beck/pine is probably scum. Of course, considering Beck's record, he's probably caught another townie again >.>
Also David? You'd probably find a lot of similarities with rev.
I can't help when towies do scummy things, if pine is town, that's on him, not me
But you have been quieter than normal, what do you have to add?
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In post 177, Revenus wrote:amatuer, if you'll notice, Pine wasn't really attacking Beck for any reason except out of personal dislike, and it appears that Beck is an ultra aggresive player who will read into any sort of situation as potentially scummy, so there you have it.
You hit the Nail on the head.
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It's hard to pressure inactive people because they don't have anything to attack. Attacking based on not posting anything isn't enough IMO.
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My cases arent crap, yours absolutely is.
And you say I'm either scum or an idiot, I'm neither so I must be..
A ROCKSTAR
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I'm good and pissed now, if pine and crackhead viewpoint don't explain why both of my cases are wrong (and actually can explain the town motivation behind their play) I'll push on these 2 mofos for the remainder of the gameBeck =/= The band
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In post 194, Revenus wrote:Beck; that's dumb. Do you think that it makes them scum? If you're pushing it because the extension of them thinking your cases are wrong makes them scum, that's fine, but if you're going to attack them not because you think they're scum, but that you think they are simply attacking you, that is completely asinine, and therefore you are a detriment to the game. If you're going to just be straight up anti town, then I'm going to be voting you.
Anyone who cant use logic and words to demonstrate why my case is wrong, and calls me scum because of it, is either scum or a fucking vi who needs to die
Crackhead says im scum because my cases are bullshit or crap or whatever word he used. He doesn't bother to take the time to explain why they are wrong. I've dealt with this type of attitude before and got lynched day 1, by parama who was scum. He acted like gods gift to scum hunting and tried to make me look like an idiot.
If I'm wrong with my cases, tell me I'm wrong
But to say im auto scum cause I made bad cases (especially when they can't verbalize why it's wrong) is scum pushing a mislynch.
Crackhead has done nothing this game and now has claimed to catch all the scum?
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Once I'm over my hissy fit, 176[/b] will be why I vote theAmateur. I'll explain that when I vote, but for now, until crack and pine appeaseme, they need my vote. If only I could vote 2 peopleBeck =/= The band
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And FYI crackhead, since you don't seem to get what I'm doing.
I'm not advocating a lynch on these people yet, cause I vote them doesn't mean they deserve to be lynched, they have done or said something that doesn't sit well with me, and all I have is my ability to question people and vote people. This allows me to do 2 things, observe their reactions/ responses and observe other people's reactions/responses.
If a person doesn't defend himself very well (both zde and pine haven't defended themselves well) my vote becomes more serious.
Right now I have a list of 8 of the active posters, I'm keeping an eye on. I don't get town reads often and when I do they tend to be scum(smh)
But this is how I play always and won't change because you or anyone else tells me to.Beck =/= The band
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Since I've been on MS, I've had 1 town read in like 6 or 7 finished games.
@ sorg, the people voting me haven't really provided any real reason for it, definitely not anything worthy of lynching me. I've done nothing wrong and these votes on me are ridiculous, besides there are only 3 votes on me and I'm willing to go out on a limb and say 1 of the 3 is scum.
I won't calm down until crackhead and pine explain why my cases are wrong.Beck =/= The band
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In post 209, Revenus wrote:And you are being anti-town by tunneling people NOT because you think they are scummy but because you disagree with their analysis of their playstyle; it's not helping town, its distracting, and it serves no purpose at all.
I'm not tunneling on people, tunneling is focusing one 1 player continuously.
I've questioned and/or voted people I am suspect of.
You want to accuse me of vote hopping? That would fit cause I use my vote, that's what it's for.Beck =/= The band
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You honestly think that's a valid reason?
Umm re-look at my vote. I said my vote was a policy lynch vote, I didn't say it was a scumtell
PL a player because they were bad in 1 game is horrible
PL the most blacklisted player and someone who purposely trolls games and plays against his wincon, is the right thing to do.Beck =/= The band
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In post 220, sorgster wrote:In post 218, Beck wrote:If I'm PL'ing zde and advocating a PL of DK, that isn't hypocritical, thus invalidating your reason for voting me
You are going for his pl? I thought it was voting him because of his policy lynch idea.
Unvote Beck
No I wasnt agreeing with his PL, which is why I suggested PL'ing him, but my PL comment wasn't even serious, which is why I used a smilie. PL's are only good in certain situations, wanting him lynched for bad play in 1 game, is terrible. Everyone has played badly in games, if you haven't yet than it will happen. I've had good games and bad games myself.Beck =/= The band
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So you are fence sitting?
Why not attempt to find out on your own instead of joining whoever gets the majority
Why not explain why we are scummy to you. I can't talk about it, but you know my town play, I know yours. I agree this isn't itBeck =/= The band
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In post 228, Beck wrote:So you are fence sitting?
Why not attempt to find out on your own instead of joining whoever gets the majority
Why not explain why we are scummy to you. I can't talk about it, but you know my town play, I know yours. I agree this isn't it
maybe it wasn't clear when I posted this, I thought it was
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I'm not vig bait thanks
It's day fucking 1 dude, I'm applying pressure to people, so I make cases, who gives a fuck. If there is a vig, you would be stupid to waste a kill on me.
Vig kills Lurkers or scum reads
That's it.
Good vig targets are anyone in the bottom tier of posters or somebody who is a strong scum read. You don't vig one of the Obv town players.
My cases aren't super strong, but I'm not pushing anyone to be lynched like I said. I'm putting pressure to guage their reactions.
Pine's reactions are weak but they are townie to me, zde has gone back in hiding so re-visiting his wagon isn't a bad idea at some point.
My vote is on crackhead cause he reminds me of how paramascum played, he thinks he has found 4 scum, yet he is 100% wrong on of them. I'm voting to get him to actually play the game. If he is town, he is gonna have to start eventually.Beck =/= The band
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In post 248, Pine wrote:He was being sarcastic.
You are distracting the entire group with your attitude that the world revolves around you, your brash insistence that you can't be wrong, and your fluff-ridden excessively prolific posting. This would be okay if you were making good cases and points, but you're really not. You're solely engaging in petty arguments, name-calling, and worse, you're drawing others into it. Whether or not you are willing to believe this, you're being remarkably anti-Town without even trying to be.
PE: Your last, 100% unnecessary and conceited post, illustrates my point better than I ever could.
It's not conceit, it's self confidence
And I never said the world revolves around me and I sure as hell never said I can't be wrong.
And still waiting for ANYONE at this point to tell me why my case on zde and you were wrong. You guys won't do it, nobody else seems to be saying it, so until somebody can explain it, I don't think my cases are bad.Beck =/= The band
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I'm still waiting for somebody to explain why my cases sucked ass.
But here is the serious news, pine and revenus are scum, I'd be willing to bet on it if it wasn't against site rules.
I'm still suspect of zde and slander
The best vig target is shattered cause he is being useless thus far, uselessness isn't acceptable, another acceptable vig kill would be any of the bottom dwellers in post counts.
Shattered, if you are town, get over yourself and start doing something useful. You can start by explaining what's wrong with my cases. I'm holding you to it, I will be stubborn and continue to tunnel on you day 2 if you don't explain it.
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Rant: I've learned on MS that the elitist attitudes are quite high, the problem is while people like shattered, parama, and others may think they are god's gift to mafia, they still need to prove it. Just being an arrogant err self confident asshat doesn't help newbs like myself get better. It's distracting from the game. They want people to follow them but can't explain why they have scum reads. It's great if they are mafia, cause they can easily bully people to win the game (I've seen it once already) but as town, it's better for you to tone back a little and try to be helpful.
I'm still fairly new, sure I've been here a few months now. But you can see from my games I have a lot to learn. There are other newer players in this game too. I'm asking nicely shattered for you to scale back your arrogant err self confidence a little and play the game somewhat normally.
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