Mushroom Kingdom Mafia (Game over!)

[Surye]

/confirm

[Surye]

Vote farside

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Pre-empting my thinking she is scum actually every game I play with her.

There's actually a decent reason (for page 1) to believe Alabaska is town right now, btw.

Interesting, do you plan on sharing that logic? If the game is gonna get warm this quick, I don't even need a random vote.

armlx, explain!

[Surye]

Shit Farside, I think I cannot get an item because technically I have the 1-up mushroom right now. The transaction will fail.

But I am able to buy a regular mushroom during the night (I think), so

2 coins

is all I need.

Gimbo's claim seems to have a life of it's own, it's evolving. Now you are a Toad that started with an item. That would have been the right thing to say from the start, why did you not?

Oh, I know why, because then we would pressure you to give the 1up to a much more likely town player, and lynch you, and revive you if you turn up town.

He seems to be trying to play us.

Mod edit:
Visible votecount:
TheSweatpantsNinja (2): sideney, iamausername
Gimbo (2): Alabaska J, somestrangeflea
armlx (2): killa seven, FaerieLord
populartajo (2): Rogue Shenanigans, farside22
Cream147 (2): armlx, Phoebus
Xtoxm (2): DragonsofSummer, alvinz95
Alabaska J (1): populartajo
Surye (1): Celebloki
Mr. Incrediball (1): Riceballtail
somestrangeflea (1): Dead Rikimaru
farside22 (1): TheSweatpantsNinja
Phoebus (1): Gimbo

Not voting (6): Xtoxm, Surye, mr. incrediball, MafiaSSK, Pepsidude, Cream147

With 24 alive it takes 13 real votes to lynch.

[Surye]

Oops, browser refreshed weird,

Mod: Delete this and the extra post please?

Mod: Extra post deleted.

[Surye]

Surye, gimbo's claimed a confirmable role, no reason to lynch him. I agree, if he lynch town, he should revive the lynch, because then it doesn't matter if he gets killed or not.

Now, moving on:

A few people have said, "oh, pooling coins is a good idea, just not today." The differences between today and the next day are:

A. Scum will have time to talk and figure out what their coin claims will be.

B. There is going to be more scum relative to town (because of nightkills)

C. Scum, via nightkills, will hold more coins than however many they have today.

Those are all good for the scum and bad for us. Now, if you oppose pooling and using altogether, fine, but if we're going to do it, today is the best time.

You're missing the point. It's not that black and white, if his "role" is an item, we have other methods to verify, and possibily better utilize. Can't think of this game with regular roles.

[Surye]

I have an idea, first things first. I know how we can confirm Gimbo's claim (of having the item, not being pro-town).

We have him trade it to someone, and they trade it back. If he can do that, he proves he has the item and we can move from there. If the person on the other end refuses to give it back, we lynch him, and it would be worth a scum for the item.

Once we've done this, we'll have more information to work with.

[Surye]

Ok, what we can do right now is actually choose a suspicious target to lynch as my position in this game is in danger, besides there will also be (at least) 1 NK, and there's no guaranteed that if I am alive I will revive Cream since I can only revive one person.

Unvote Vote:Surye

Did you ever even mention my name besides this post?

[Surye]

I have an idea, first things first. I know how we can confirm Gimbo's claim (of having the item, not being pro-town).

We have him trade it to someone, and they trade it back. If he can do that, he proves he has the item and we can move from there. If the person on the other end refuses to give it back, we lynch him, and it would be worth a scum for the item.

Once we've done this, we'll have more information to work with.

This almost sounds like a lets see who else has items and who doesn't type thing.

FOS Surye

I'd be willing to do the exchange, I started with no items.

[Surye]

Why the hell did Gimbo vote Surye? The only scummy thing he has done so far occurred after his post. Do you have some sort of post restriction which forces you to vote for a random person every post?

Haha, that would be amazing.

[Surye]

The transaction can fail for other reasons too though.

What do the players make of this.

That my plan can only confirm, and not disprove.

Speculation: Maybe some roles can trade block.

[Surye]

Shit Farside, I think I cannot get an item because technically I have the 1-up mushroom right now. The transaction will fail.

But I am able to buy a regular mushroom during the night (I think), so

2 coins

is all I need.

Gimbo's claim seems to have a life of it's own, it's evolving. Now you are a Toad that started with an item. That would have been the right thing to say from the start, why did you not?

Oh, I know why, because then we would pressure you to give the 1up to a much more likely town player, and lynch you, and revive you if you turn up town.

He seems to be trying to play us.

Oh, that's why he voted me. OMGUS much?

[Surye]

Btw, what is "OMGUS"?

This is my first mafia on this site so I'm not used to some of these acronyms. Also, where I come from players do more FoSing than voting a different player in each post, waiting to vote until it's more final.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=OMGUS

Wiki is your answer to all.

[Surye]

I have an idea, first things first. I know how we can confirm Gimbo's claim (of having the item, not being pro-town).

We have him trade it to someone, and they trade it back. If he can do that, he proves he has the item and we can move from there. If the person on the other end refuses to give it back, we lynch him, and it would be worth a scum for the item.

Once we've done this, we'll have more information to work with.

This almost sounds like a lets see who else has items and who doesn't type thing.

FOS Surye

I agree, Surye looks like he want too much the item of Gimbo.

Fos Surye

Wait, you think I'm going to trick him into giving me the item, then keep it, and expect to NOT get lynched? Honestly? Are you even thinking this through?

[Surye]

I realize now that it would pretty much confirm him, as that as a day item would have almost no utility to a scum (except in VERY end game). I know farside is more logical then this, and how she could miss the logic in my plan concerns me.

[Surye]

1-up for scum is very useless until it is very broken more or less.

I was thinking in endgame if the item has been kept secret, it could tip the majority balance and cause a scum win. That is the only time it is useful to scum.

[Surye]

I realize now that it would pretty much confirm him, as that as a day item would have almost no utility to a scum (except in VERY end game). I know farside is more logical then this, and how she could miss the logic in my plan concerns me.

I'm concerned with it being you and how willing you are to the idea. It sits very heavy in my stomach

Honestly, give me ONE bad scenario that could come out of this. Just one. and if you still done think 1-for-1 is worth it for town, you're missing the big picture. It's actually 2 for 1. You get a mostly confirmed town, alive, and a scum dead. And if I give it back, you get 1 mostly confirmed town, and maybe a chance to use it tomorrow if we can defend him. I'm not sure how you could envision this as ANYTHING negative. The reason I'm happy to do it is because I am the only who has claimed no items. You yourself feared fishing other's for items, I provided a solution to that, no?

[Surye]

And you're the one who keeps saying it doesn't confirm me, as if I'm saying it will. You will gain NO additional knowledge about me. Your fear of this plan concerns me.

FOS: farside

[Surye]

Mod: Do the rules prohibit trade backs in the same day?

Probably not gonna get an answer, but I thought about the possibility.

Mod: nope

[Surye]

Look at the rule again, I doubt it. We should be good.

[Surye]

Gimbo, I don't think you understand, I will be giving it back to you, and we will have to rely on someone protecting you, since you'll be more or less confirmed. Anyone else have a better way that provides more information and a better survival chance for the shroom? I feel like there might be some way I'm not thinking of.

[Surye]

btw Surye can still be scum, can't he, obviously he won't not give it back. He might be scum and want to verify the existence of the 1-Up 'shroom before Nking me?

Completely possible, and had you been paying attention, that's been stated before. Again, this action ONLY serves to confirm you. It also, again, cannot unconfirm you.

And I'm assuming since you got an unlisted item as your start, other players have started with items that are not listed to buy, and I'm hoping one of those protects another at night, and we would be possibly wasting it if we could not confirm you. Even if your scenario where true, there is more benifit for town.

[Surye]

Give Gimbo 1up Mushroom

Yup, Gimbo is legit. Though he did leave out one interesting property of the revived player... I'll give Gimbo a chance to reveal that, or tell me there's a reason he plans not too. Note: This property makes it quite useful for scum, which is why I'm curious.

[Surye]

sorry Cream,

Vote:Cream147

, this has to be done

Did you forget your unvote on purpose?

[Surye]

Surye, I gave my word when I voted you back then (because I has a huge FoS on you).

Regarding the Shroom, I think I have said enough and what I have said is enough to prove my point so let's leave that alone. If you feel like its important, go ahead. That fact you would bring it up (if you were scum, you certainly wouldn't have) made me doubt my original assumption.

For that I'll eat my own words and

Unvote

Vote:Cream147

So you voted for cream in post 335 purposely not unvoting (this quoted passage clearly says you still intended on voting me). You do know you can only have your vote on one person, right?

[Surye]

Pretty sure we have a scum here.

TheSweatpantsNinja (5): sideney, iamausername, Gimbo, Riceballtail, Rogue Shenanigans

Maybe this is why Rogue jumped off..

[Surye]

*yawn*. What have I done? I'm in no way concerned about getting lynched, as Gimbo will revive me, but seriously, what I have done wrong? And of course, once Gimbo revives me I'll be nightkilled quicker than you can say 'night-kill' so it may be preferable not to get lynched.

This kind of flippancy with the yawning really doesn't sit well with me...

I can see how you wouldn't want to get lynched Cream...but how does you not being lynched make you a mafia target?

As far as learning how to be better and claiming an air of scuminess around all your posts...
Well...
For one thing...stop doing the latter. Also, stop using it as a WIFOM excuse.
Secondly...when you can manage both...you're automatically better!
Then...practice!

He's saying if he gets lynched and revived he will be confirmed town, and will be killed, and he would be right.

Don't like the yawn.

[Surye]

Surye, can I ask who exactly is that dude in your avatar? its so annoying....


also, I never really felt about about either a Cream or TSN lynch...how about Rogue? His responses were shady and i think he outed himself by mistake.

So

Unvote Vote:Rogue S

Annoying?

[Surye]

I like how Gimbo goes out of his way to tell me my avatar is annoying, and everyone else hate's his spastic annoying ... everything.

[Surye]

^ lol, but honestly, who the eff is that guy?

The tenth doctor.

[Surye]

^ I looked him up, you could've totally found a better picture of this dude, I mean he's not bad to the eye, but that scowl is damn annoying.

Stop staring. And stop getting off topic. Just because we're pretty sure you're town means you can stop playing.

[Surye]

Hiya. First of all, to Celeboki, who said I'm doomed tonight. My plea for scums to not gun for my ass tonight is what me and Surye said pages back. The mushroom has 2 abilities, 1-revival and the other no one knows about (besides Surye). In fact, I never intended to out the 2nd ability until Surye outed it. All I can say is that the 1-UP can be usefully (pretty nicely) as an anti-town item if it gets into the hand of a scum. In fact, if it is given to a scum in the future as an exchange, it will screw town over. Now, I am willing to risk that if the scums don't kill me tonight.

This plan won't work, it's naive to think it will. You're gonna use it tomorrow as we can't risk you another night, and we're gonna get a townie back. Because of this the scum cannot let you live, regardless of any use they may have for it. Unless they have the ability to steal items, you are done for. We need to play with that in mind. We should try to protect you if anyone can, but don't think you'll live tonight without help.

[Surye]

sorry Cream,

Vote:Cream147

, this has to be done

because right now. It's either Cream or TSN, and its not a rash thing.

Cream, its hard to put a finger on the hunch I'm getting about you, I'm gonna give you time to prove me wrong

I don't really understand the wagon on TSN and Cream, I think Rogue is the most suspicious out of all of us. Going back a few pages, you can see that Rogue's posts about why he bandwagoned made no sense.

You are perhaps the most confusing player I have ever seen. You post endlessly with no content, you rant on about nothing, you contradict yourself at every turn, and on top of all that, I know you are probably town and it is driving me insane. Please start making sense.

[Surye]

I'm here, had a really busy weeekend, and a really busy day ahead of me, I will be catching up between tonight and tomorrow in all my threads. Sorry about the lack activity.

[Surye]

Apologies, I must have missed this when I posted I would be on V/LA...

Anyway, as far as right now goes, I still don't see much beneficial discussion. There's too much beating around the bush, with not enough content.

@Gimbo: Lurker hunting will help, but lurking doesn't always make you scum. I strongly doubt we have 10 scum in this game, but I could be wrong too. I don't think you would be scum for having that item, but you certainly earned the attention of a lot of scum with that extra info.

unvote
vote:surye

for revealing that. It was fairly scummy, and I don't like it.

Hint, when at claim or die, as much information as possible should be put on the table. The fate of the item and Gimbo was being discussed, the town needs to be informed, I gave Gimbo the courtesy to elaborate.

I like the Cream wagon, it's making him squirm. But it's not time for a lynch on him yet. Probably not today.

I think a FL wagon should be pushed. He made premature statements at not even halfway to a lynch, who's words were clearly intended to make the town think they had a consensus. Which we don't.

Vote: FaerieLord

[Surye]

Something really bugs me about that claim. I don't think DK has been pro-Mario in ANY game in the Mushroom Kingdom. If I am wrong, someone can correct me, but vote stands.

Mario party series? He's definitely anti-bowser, almost by definition.

Mod edit:
Visible votecount:
Rogue Shenanigans (7): farside22, goborage, TheSweatpantsNinja, Alabaska J, iamausername, armlx, Riceballtail
Phoebus (4): ashmite84, killa seven, somestrangeflea, Rogue Shenanigans
FaerieLord (2): Surye, mr. incrediball
Riceballtail (2): skitzer, Gimbo
Cream147 (1): sideney
Alabaska J (1): populartajo
killa seven (1): Phoebus

No lynch (1): malthusis

Not voting (5): andersonw, Cream147, FaerieLord, Celebloki, DragonsofSummer

With 24 alive it takes 13 real votes to lynch. Deadline: June 25th. At deadline, it takes 7 real votes to lynch.

[Surye]

By the way guys. If you are really set on lynching me... put your money where your noose is. The banana I get is an ITEM. I can be confirmed in the same way gimbo was.
When I said " at any point" I meant day or night.

Really? You can? The beauty of checking gimbo is it didn't change ANYTHING else in the game. It was a simple trade back. You would require consuming coins, many coins. This is a world of difference.

And your role seems constructed to damage town on your way down. I don't buy it either.

Vote: Rouge

Mod: not counted, unvote first

[Surye]

I can dig RS's claim. It definitely sounds like it would fit. I don't know about the balance idea, but I can dig it for now.

UNVOTE; VOTE:RBT

That guy's just vote hopping anyway.

Self-voting is not scummy.
Self-voting while not under fire, to me, seem scummy.

[Surye]

How the heck do you think Yoshi is anti-town? You could be delicious tonight SSF.

Yoshi (Pro-town rolename) -> Vote nullifier (Could be pro- or anti- town)

Yoshi nameclaim could easily be a substitute for, for example, Piranha Plant.

Remember, I'm not saying it's likely, but I'm making sure that everyone knows it's a possibility.

I don't think this would be a bad gambit at all. Or too complex. Seems like scum could take advantage of our preconceptions of mario names to craft a claim that is provable yet missleading.

[Surye]

Well, RBT's role-claim is true to this extent, but I still do not buy the name. And more to the point, the eating scum to stop their vote seems really contrived. The inability to have items, coins, or anything does not seem like it balances with the ability to prevent the real vote of a scum, especially since the visible count will show the vote still, so there would be no way of knowing if he hit scum. That is a SEVERLY underpowered role. I don't buy it.

Unvote, Vote:RBT

[Surye]

I can attempt to give it straight back.

Good call.

RBT is confirmed to have that role. Lynching him today is not optimal.

SSF, you are wrong. If any of these players claimed an unconfirmable claim I would lynch them on the spot. None have. No reason to lynch confirmable townies when there are still other suspects.

So people, lets focus and not just screw up today.

Simupost... but honestly, I still stand by my vote. His role claim does not add up.

[Surye]

That is a SEVERLY underpowered role.

Well, yeah. It's

Yoshi

. His entire purpose is to be useless.

Do you honestly believe his claim is less plausible than Rogue's?

We can also confirm two of the other three aspects of his claim easily enough (if anyone feels like wasting a coin on such). And I think the existence of a scum role that can hold no coins/items and has no vote is far less plausible than pro-town Yoshi with same.

Yoshi is pretty useless isn't he? ;P

But I don't really like either claim. But yes, I like Rogue's better.

[Surye]

Like I said, I distrust both claims, in the name of getting a lynch before the deadline, I still feel confident with a

Unvote, Vote:RS

[Surye]

Like I said, I distrust both claims, in the name of getting a lynch before the deadline, I still feel confident with a

Unvote, Vote:RS

[Surye]

Doh, damn double post, please delete >_<

[Surye]

I don't like the case on Cream, and I don't feel comfortable putting my vote on him.

[Surye]

But my argument still stands. Why should people who have had aspects of their role confirmed be seen as more likely to be town than those who have not?

Scum are more likely to be vanilla then town, and that specific ability seems very odd for a scum.

Same with perma jail.

Exactly why I noticed how amazingly underpowered the "Yoshi" role is.

[Surye]

Whats your point Surye?

I assumed your point was that a power role on top of mafia would be unbalance. Not if that role was so underpowered.

[Surye]

Sigh, while I hate to do this, NL < lynching possible scum but confirmable if town.

Unvote, Vote RS

to ensure we get to 7 real votes.

Unless you know something we don't, we don't know how many real votes he has.

[Surye]

Re: RBT, numerically yes RS was on 6 and RBT was on 5, but all the heat was currently on RS and no one was really discussing RBT, and he just pops in out of the blue and goes "all right guys, you've twisted my arm, I'll claim."

No, RS had just claimed and votes were shifting.

Unless you know something we don't, we don't know how many real votes he has.

No, I don't, but if its less than 7 it could be awkward.

I agree, though it would provide little info. and would cause a NL. my point was to ensure we have more votes just in case.

[Surye]

Anyone who reads this, and isn't already on the wagon, VOTE ROGUE SHENANIGANS IMMEDIATELY. No one else is getting lynched today, and your vote could tip us over the edge into receiving some very useful information.

I endorse this product or service.

that's a... very odd thing to say about an argument made against you.

and i'm still not sure how removing a night action that you don't have is supposed to balance being permenantly bulletproof.

Not if he's town. He knows he's the only lynch, he knows he will be lynched, and it's in his best interest to make his death count the most he can.

[Surye]

however, if Surye is scum and he decided not to lynch me becuz of my shroom, then i see why i'm alive and i don't really like it....

I decided not to lynch you? I didn't realize I was the whole town. Of all people you should know that if I'm scum, then I would know you were town, and I would know that you'd likely just use it on whoever got NK'd. Your logic is quite flawed.

Anyways, NK analysis is pretty standard here, it was probably assumed that Gimbo would be protected if he could be, and targeting him would risk a lack of a NK. And thanks the the 1-shot nature of most items revealed so far, they could go back to Gimbo tonight.

As for reviving popu, Y.

[Surye]

if I'm scum, then I would know you were town, and I would know that you'd likely just use it on whoever got NK'd.

Bowser's Army and DK Crew say otherwise...

Also Gimbo:

SSF: how about reviving Rogue? just asking...

I see no reason why we should revive a non-town player.

Why do you think we should revive Rogue?

Sry, i can't answer that, all i can say is that reviving Rogue should be made a viable option

Is your claim growing again? :O

[Surye]

sigh, forget i ever mentioned Rogue.

Did you mean pop then?

[Surye]

Okay, honestly I don't think it matters if it is revealed, as it doesn't really help town either way.

Gimbo: Two things. 1) What you think makes it protown is not in the towns best interest if they don't know better. 2) If you think it confirms you, you're just as dead as poju, so why the charrade?

[Surye]

How about this: Gimbo and surye have both seen the item, and if they both feel that its better left unrevealed, we drop the issue.

I don't care either way. I think Gimbo played his cards all wrong in this, and it's not going to have the effect he wants.

[Surye]

Give 1-Up Mushroom to Populartajo

Bold it...

[Surye]

I have an idea, but I want Gimbo and Surye to each answer this question first: How important do you consider the 'other' ability of the 1-Up 'shroom / the ramifications of the scum knowing it in relation to "actually playing mafia"? A 1-10 followed by an explanation would be appreciated.

1 being 'meh'
5-ish being somewhat significant
10 being game-altering.

7, in that the mafia knowing, would give them a target, and the town not knowing, would allow for some pretty bad mistakes. So either way isn't good for town, but I think an informed town is a better town. And Gimbos attempts to cover this at all costs seems suspect to me. He says he readily provided the information about the other ability existing, but not until I mentioned it, and forced his hand. Rewritting history does not bode well with me either.

[Surye]

I think it was used on him, I think it was consumed, pop can confirm, but that only makes sense.

[Surye]

Surye, if you think its in the best interests of the town to tell us, then do so, and we can go from there.

I'm giving Gimbo one more chance to convince me otherwise now that I have told him why I think it's in the town's best interest. We have time, no need to rush it.

[Surye]

Gimbo are you going to argue with Surye about the reveal? *sigh*

1) I feel like the town's attention could be better used to scumhunt and not worry about the shroom ability.

2) I promise you that you wouldn't even notice anything different if we just be good townies and kill some scum.

3) I don't plan to 'reveal' or whatnot, seriously...just drop it and lets scumhunt, PLEASE.

I'm confirmed town, so I am doing things in town's best interest, remember that, while I'm still alive, lets work at this guys.

I'm starting to doubt just how town you are. You're not confirmed, the mod never said you are town. Just because you are town, doesn't mean anything you say or do is in the best interest of the town, IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU INFALLIBLE. This is a point I think you miss. Your arrogance is starting to get to me, and I'll tell you now, based on your past play, town or not, you make very poor decisions. I think most people can recognize this. You are trying to mislead town. This is not a good decision. Town is going to think they are doing one thing, and thanks to you, they will be doing another. You are hiding this from them deliberatly. You are acting in self interest, not in the town's interest.

[Surye]

"I'm confirmed town, so I am doing things in town's best interest, remember that" Pure, absolute hubris.

[Surye]

Thank you gimbo, the problem was that a hammer would be accidentally slammed before a claim or discussion very easily, and it could cost town real power roles.

[Surye]

Thank you gimbo, the problem was that a hammer would be accidentally slammed before a claim or discussion very easily, and it could cost town real power roles.

And by power roles, I mean people like you with special items, or maybe even peach (not sure on the mechanic of lynching peach?)

[Surye]

and the reason why i said it could be potentially deadly is if a scum had used this on a townie to make everyone think him/her is pro-town while he really gains by having 2 votes himself and basically having a townie-puppet that worth nothing around who'll be forever grateful for his revival....

see? i wasn't lying.

Correction, _I_ said it could be dangerous in the hands of scum for this reason. You avoided any mention of pro-scum capabilities.

[Surye]

Again, you're probably town, but your motivations were largely self-preservation from the begining, sorry I had to go for town's interests

[Surye]

Pop is the only 100% confirmed to me, only because I saw the mushroom, and am 100% it dos not flip alignment. Well, unless you think he's some crazy death miller ;P

Mod edit:
Visible votecount:
Riceballtail (1): skitzer
Gimbo (1): Riceballtail
Surye (1): somestrangeflea
somestrangeflea (2): Gimbo, armlx
Cream147 (2): Alabaska J, populartajo
armlx (1): TheSweatpantsNinja

Not voting (15): iamausername, Phoebus, sideney, Surye, killa seven, Gremwell, mr. incrediball, farside22, andersonw, malthusis, FaerieLord, Cream147, Korts, ashmite84, goborage

With 23 alive it takes 12 real votes to lynch.

[Surye]

IAU, I wouldn't clear Gremwell just yet. The possiblity of scum faking an investigation on town still exists.

QFT.

Gremwell has zero confrimedness. Hell, if DK crew is another scum group, then there is Bowser and DKers that could be investigating to find eachother.

[Surye]

99% = unlikely but still unconfirmed

Kinda like you. Yet you've called yourself confirmed more then once?

[Surye]

Also, for the flavor used in the lynch, does that mean that DK is another scum group?

I think that's the running assumption.

[Surye]

also Surye

I'm here, been away for the holiday weekend. Catching up in my games today.

[Surye]

He is always eating bananas. But he likes kidnapping princesses too. It's a good thing he gets lynched.

Not anti-town?

[Surye]

Sigh, while I hate to do this, NL < lynching possible scum but confirmable if town.

Unvote, Vote RS

to ensure we get to 7 real votes.

Unless you know something we don't, we don't know how many real votes he has.

That is 5 actual votes by my count: Alabaska, Ashmite, Gobor, Mr. I, myself, plus PT's non-vote.

This is the second time armlx made a HUGE assumption on what the actual vote count is. I do not like this one bit. No sir.

HoS: armlx

However, the Cream wagon is making a lot of sense. I liked it yesterday, I like it more today.

Vote: Cream

[Surye]

I like the Cream wagon, it's making him squirm. But it's not time for a lynch on him yet. Probably not today.

Nice try, but context is king.

[Surye]

Oh, OK, so you're consistent in liking the Cream

wagon

, but you don't like the case on him? Yes, that looks better for you.

No, the wagon was building the case on him. And now TODAY AS IN AFTER THE WAGON the case got convincing, and is now worth a vote.

Geez, what's your problem with me? Looks like you're just looking for an easy vote to avoid Cream.

[Surye]

EBWOP: scratch my last post, forgot about pop's 0-vote which cancels my 2-vote. too drunk.

Cream's at L-4.

What time of day is it there? o.0

[Surye]

Surye: I finally understood your 'EX-TERM-IN-ATE' sig, lol, i'm so slow.

And you dare put up a Doctor Who avatar? Shame on you.

P.S. I cracked up at the german Dalek. EXTERMINIEREN!

He didn't even know who the Tenth Doctor was when the game started.

Also, the german Dalek was great, I watched it with a bunch of friends, and we were laughing so hard we had to pause it for a sec

[Surye]

I just started watching a while back because of your avatar which made me check out the DW webpage. I've seen Series 1-4 already. Per my avatar 9 > 10

Go back and watch some Baker then we can continue this discussion. For now, Mafia!

[Surye]

Ok, hello all. I'm afraid that my claim isn't going to help you (or me) in the slightest. I'm a regular Toad of the Mushroom Kingdom. I came with 1 coin and 1 mushroom. This claim obviously isn't going to save me from lynching, so I think I should give up my stuff so it doesn't just disappear (is that what happens when someone is lynched with items?).

Anyway, I've given my coin away to popular, but I still have my mushroom. Should I give it to Gimbo? Or someone else? Once I've done that, you may proceed with lynching me.

I say we give the shroom to whoever popular investigates, as they seem like a very likely target, since that would effectively waste a star.

[Surye]

I say we give the shroom to whoever popular investigates, as they seem like a very likely target, since that would effectively waste a star.

That would be Gremwell.

Thanks, I'm chin deep in homework, and I didn't remember nor did I want to search back for it But my point stands, Gremwell is a prime scum target I'm thinking, and a mushroom would allow day to break tomorrow with two confirmed. (otherwise what will happen is Grem will be killed, and the star would have bought us nothing).

[Surye]

Geez, what's your problem with me? Looks like you're just looking for an easy vote to avoid Cream.

Well, my problem is that you said you liked the Cream wagon yesterday, and you like it more today, but when I looked through your posts from yesterday, I found one which said "I don't like the case on Cream", which seemed like a pretty clear contradiction.

Having now taken the time to read the context, my vote stands, and the other quote you brought up only strengthens the case. Pushing a wagon that you aren't willing to commit to is trying to have it both ways and is scummy as hell.

I think it's entirely possible that the Cream/Rogue connection is significant, and that he is part of the DK crew, but I think we should ideally be trying to lynch Bowser scum today, since they're certainly in a stronger position, having not lost their leader. I'm pretty sure that some of them have hopped onto the Cream wagon here. Surye seems like the best candidate, for the reasons stated above. Paticularly suspicious votes also from goborage, mr. incrediball and farside.

I'll give you a little hint, changing your opinion in the face of new information is not scummy. And especially when I was as clearly on the the fence about him yesterday.

You highlighting a large group of people for changing their vote today is ten times as scummy as anything you've stated.

[Surye]

Unvote

You claim may not be as useless to town as you think.

[Surye]

farside, Gimbo, Surye, why are you unvoting Cream for claiming this game's version of a vanilla townie? How does that in any way convince you that the evidence against him is wrong?

No, he has a protection item, that's not this game's version of vanilla.

[Surye]

That would be some gambit. I think it's not likely, but certainly possible.

[Surye]

Unvote

Lol are you suggesting that RBT's power is cop-like?

Was it based on this?

I ate Gimbo. He was tasty. He would have been notified if his vote counted for naught today. The way he has been acting, I'm fairly convinced he's the most anti-town townie in the game. I can't confirm it until he's on a lynch-wagon, however.

I assumed this was RBT's flavour and not a game mechanic. RBT can you confirm? Was "tasty" a mod-creation or your own?

I'm basing this more on Yoshi as a game then anything. It would be interesting to see if I was right.

You were really reaching on that role attribute, and that has nothing to do with the game.

FOS: Farside

[Surye]

I am not going to lynch a person because they did not get a vanilla townie pm, sorry.

Second this.

Thirded.

[Surye]

RBT is Yoshi. Alabaska has a case of the tunnel visions. Neither is getting us anywhere.

[Surye]

I want to know why Armlx defended iamusername and AlaskaJ right now.

Better ask armlx. OH WAIT.

[Surye]

I want to know why Armlx defended iamusername and AlaskaJ right now.

Better ask armlx. OH WAIT.

To clarify my sarcasm,

HOS farside22

for asking a question she knows cannot be answered now that armlx is down, but highlighting we should be suspicious of these two. Sounds more likely to me farside is trying to finish what armlx started.

[Surye]

Yes. It's a common scum tactic to buddy with a townie, either to be vindacated by his death, or to cast suspicion on the townie in the case of the scum's death. farside-scum therefore would assist in the latter situation. Can't believe you missed my meaning there :3

[Surye]

That's true and fine, but were you asking an honest question? If so, who were you expecting to answer?

[Surye]

Which means that armlx knew he was going to get nightkilled, and intentionally defended players hoping that they would then be lynched. . . to what end?

If you read my post, you'd see I outlined the strategy as working if he is killed, or the other is killed, at any point. Re-read what I posted please.

[Surye]

Scum trying to get people lynched to what end? Seriously? TSPN provided nothing but useless WIFOM and some silly statement that says scum doesn't try to get people lynched, and can't work together. Anyways.

[Surye]

Riceball, you hammered incrediball, even though you supposedly don't have a vote. Explain.

I think whoever killed armlx should step forward and accept their glory. I also think we might want to massclaim today. We're in serious trouble here.

The idea is that I am nothing without Mario/Luigi, and therefore my vote has no meaning.

This means I voted with one of the brothers yesterday.

I ate farside last night.

@Tajo: Good kill, but that doesn't really help us confirm those two.

So your vote counts when you vote the same as Mario/Luigi you're saying? Your role is being coming less and less believable.

[Surye]

I also think we might want to massclaim today

Why?

We need to find Bowser or we lose.

And massclaim will help... how?

How will it hurt?

Peach's identity will be exposed to the scum who don't already know it. Assuming we then do manage to keep the game afloat, we will be stuck in the same position we are now

every day

.

How will it help?

(We're playing argument tennis here... It's fun.)

You don't think scum can talk at night? Honestly?

[Surye]

Sorry to disappoint you Surye, would you have rather I said "I could be a triple voter, and can't protect myself" D1? That would have let me last a long time.

You shouldn't be asking me what I would rather have you do. You lied, and I have no reason to believe ANY part of your claim as when reality didn't match your claim, you changed your claim, there is no scummier action I know of when it comes to fake-claims.

AoS(arm): RoS

Only reason it's not a vote is we have to figure out how to find who has the princess, but if we have no tools at our disposal, you will be my vote.

[Surye]

If he's not telling the truth, then he's likely to be Bowser anyway...

Uh, what? Does no one think it's likely that FL is a member of Bowser's team trying to get himself lynched in Bowser's place and securing the win?

People should really stop voting FL (or anyone else, for that matter) right now.

How do you propose we find a specific scum, other then working with the information at hand?

[Surye]

I have no coins.

Give: 1 coin to populartojo

[Surye]

Hmm...that's actually a fairly good point. Other than the roleclaim fiasco, is there any more evidence on ash?

Lurking, general lack of contribution. I'd say he's a pretty good lynch without the bogus claim.

But I'm willing to listen to populartajo regarding DBE.

Betcha it's a feather. He wanted to save his if someone else had a guilty I bet. I'm willing to

Vote:DBE

on that guess as well.

So you think he had a star and a feather? Really? :3

[Surye]

How is a toad the protector of the princess? Shouldn't that fall under mario or someone like that?

Anyone else see anything wrong with this?

Yea, it completely ignores the sited information about the character. And Mario never protects her... ever. He's always reactionary.

Mod edit
Visible Votecount:
FaerieLord (1): Korts
ashmite84 (1): TheSweatpantsNinja
DarlaBlueEyes (1): populartajo
goborage (1): Riceballtail

Not voting (17): iamausername, skitzer, Wintermute, forbiddanlight, somestrangeflea, Surye, killa seven, Gremwell, Alabaska J, farside22, ting =), DarlaBlueEyes, FaerieLord, Lord Gurgi, Cream147, goborage, ashmite84

With 21 alive it takes 11 real votes to lynch.

[Surye]

I don't know if "intuitive" is the right word, but I'd say the evidence leans in that direction. I would guess that the leaders of each group (now mostly dead) can attempt to kill/kidnap, and beyond that, scum are reliant on items.

So I'm not interested in pursuing korts on that.

Really the only "evidence" is that we have to kill Bowser to get the Princess back. Which is a huge leap to say he's the only one that can submit a night kill. This is still Mafia. Hell, even the flavor text said a goonie nabbed the princess. AlabaskaJ is right, that was a total slip on Korts' side.

[Surye]

Hey guys lets get Korts up enough votes so he is lynched at deadline kthxbai

Agreed.

vote: Korts

[Surye]

Wait... I'm confused. Maybe I missed something, but the real vote count shows populartajo with a real vote? I thought he didn't have one, per Gimbo's 1up? Also, There's some crazy double voters on Korts. Just a guess, but if any scum would have a double vote, I'm betting bowser does. He's on that lynch, I'm pretty confident in that.

[Surye]

Forbiddin light is town.

Wait hang on.
How come?

Wait... I'm confused. Maybe I missed something, but the real vote count shows populartajo with a real vote? I thought he didn't have one, per Gimbo's 1up?

This is important and needs to be resolved ASAP because it brings a confirmed into question.

I saw the item, I think this may be a mod slip, but we'll see. Pending that, I like the alabaska idea. He's been up against the ropes all game, and in my experience, that is a good sign. Also, I think bowser was on the Korts lynch, and he stands out the most to me.

But I want Populartajo addressed first. Also the Forbiddin light thing.

[Surye]

That depends entirely on how useful the information actually is. Obviously, there's no way for the town to decide that without telling us, but if you think the information (or lack thereof) is particularly useful to the town, then please claim.

Well, it basically hinges on how much everyone believes Surye's assumption that Bowser might be a double voter. If so I can help isolate his position a little bit.

If it's this important, I'll explain my reasoning. First, I'm assuming no triple voter, because that would be insane. So that means there is 3 double voters on the lynch. Gimbo/Lord Guri is a double voter as well. That's 4 known double voters in this game, which leads me to believe atleast ONE is most likely scum. I am more sure of this then I am sure that it's bowser for sure, but as the boss, I can see it matching flavor. Also, assuming daisy works the way I understand, scum was under the impression they had peach, and to would be more incliened to bus a fellow scum to help prevent bowser from being lynched. I think for this reason, bowser would be on Kort's lynch, and since I think there's a double voting scum on there, I think it's pretty likely it's Bowser.

Mod edit
Visible Votecount:
Alabaska J (2): farside22, forbiddanlight

Not voting (15): skitzer, Natirasha, somestrangeflea, Surye, killa seven, Gremwell, Alabaska J, ting =), DarlaBlueEyes, Lord Gurgi, Cream147, Riceballtail, ashmite84, goborage, populartajo

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

[Surye]

Give one coin to populartajo

Ho hum, I aint got nothing.

[Surye]

Huh, this claim, and my poor math, complicates things. My assumtion was:
4 - single voters
3 - double voters
4+(3*2) = 11

But it equals 10. You claim suggests we have atleast 1 non-voter, so...
1 - single voters
5 - double voters
is the only way I could see it equaling 11, which is insane. So.... any idea what is going on?

[Surye]

Well, I think I know who mario is now >_> I don't know how constructive all this talk is, as I'm guessing other people are seeing what I am seeing.

[Surye]

But, if I know who Mario is, and we know who Luigi is, we can probably stack the vote count really high. I'm sure Mario/Luigi have some kind of synergy with their votes as well.

FL's claim didn't seem like that's true.

[Surye]

ssf brings up a good point about populartajo/Lord Guri. We need this resolved...

Mod: Are the vote counts correct?

[Surye]

Give 2 coins to Populartajo

Give 1 coin to Populartajo

The second trasaction will fail. I also have a mushroom for some reason. Anyways, Suyre's looking quite scummy right now.

Really?

[Surye]

Give 2 coins to Populartajo

Give 1 coin to Populartajo

The second trasaction will fail. I also have a mushroom for some reason. Anyways, Suyre's looking quite scummy right now.

Really?

Yes. I can't tell why, but something is off about you the last page or so.

I post a lot when I have something to say, and not much when I don't. I noticed something in the Real Vote/Visible Vote that I could analyze, so I did. My goal was to help town sort out the votes. My goal was not to out Luigi/Mario, though our list of confirms are out growing the scum's ability to NK, which is nice. The list of non-peaches is growing too, which is not nice.

[Surye]

Interestengly enough, a Mario claim can make Alabaska's lynch more possible. Why would there be two Marios? If no one claims Mario then I think its pretty possible that Alabaska is indeed Dr. Mario.

I think a simple mass-"are-you-Mario?"-claim from anyone who hasn't roleclaimed yet (skitzer, Surye, Gremwell, ting, DBE, goborage and me) is the way forward. Thoughts?

I dont see a problem.

Yesh...and for a laugh, when you claim, PLEASE say "It's-a me, Mario" .

Not me, next person to answer, Gremwell, as I think I know

[Surye]

because he claimed Dr. Mario, which I don't see as that far fetched to be in a game along with Mario classic. And most defiantly not worth me outing myself so early in the game.

Precisely the answer I expected

So now that we're all outed whats the plan?

Lynch alabaska after we've given all our coins and stuff to pop taj. Await anyone stupid enough to counterclaim you. Figure out how our votes work, if we each affect each other and become ridiculous voters with the three of us.

This is the plan.

[Surye]

won't we become targets?

and I currently have 2 coins that I got last night

2 things. 1) If we get bowser, Korts' slip should show that only bowser can NK, so I assume that means the rest of the scum need to use Fireflowers, which if we ensure we pool coins they cannot do. and 2) If we don't get bowser, there are too many confirmed to make a dent on our current list. We're in good shape guys.

[Surye]

There was also a mistake in the latest real votecount (about populartajo and Lord Gurgi). This mistake has been fixed. Sorry for the confusion.

Okay, this is the assumption I was playing on. So on with the plan. Coins. Populartojo. Now.

[Surye]

Nice catch FL. I'm guessing the mod won't tell us, and I'm guessing there is. Pop, how many have you got now?

[Surye]

I don't actually know if his vote has been taken away or not, he's the one who got the PM about it. That's the thing that is wrong with that plan.

So why did you vote him then? Can't we just make him vote someone like he said, and be 100% about it either way?

[Surye]

Also, claim is a really big problem the more I think about it. And all he can do is stand there, jumping up and down screaming "outguessing the mod" over and over like that makes any claim okay.

[Surye]

Can we get some kind of consensus here? I see a lot of random votes still clogging up the votecount. Let me see if I can get this straight. Actual cases have been made (and followed up by votes by multiple people) against (in alphabetical order):

Alabaska J
Cream147

Gimbo

farside22
RogueShenanigans
TheSweatPantsNinja


We are obviously not lynching Gimbo today, which is why he is crossed out. These seem to be, at the moment, the people various members of the town feel to be scum for actual posted reasons (whether the reasons suck or are wrong is irrelevant). Any additions or does this seem to be the list of the likeliest to get lynched today so far?

Also,

mod prod: FaerieLord, killa seven, Dead Rikimaru, sideney, populartajo, Pepsidude, andersonw, and Gimbo

.

Even Ala thought there was a case against him at some point...

[Surye]

Everything about Natirasha confuses me at the moment. The item he's holding, the coin count (odd, odd, odd) and most importantly, his claim. Let's make this game a whole lot simpler!

Vote: Natirasha

You're voting because mod mistakes consfused you? Opportunistic much?

[Surye]

To expand a bit more, I've had a thought over, and I think Natirasha changing his claim all over the place is just a tad bad.

I agree however I think Alaska trying to protect Iam and Armlx interaction in all that should be top priority at this point.

Agreed. Looking at Ala is isolation, there is a huge connection to armlx. And the defending of Iam becomes more obvious. And I've already stated his claim is terrible.

Vote:Alabaska J

in case I've not.

[Surye]

Also, Alabaska J was pushing HARD against cream early on, and gave it up with no fight at all for a vanilla claim. And now Cream repeatitedly keeps trying to distract the town from Alabaska with this nonsense about Nat.

[Surye]

Can we get some kind of consensus here? I see a lot of random votes still clogging up the votecount. Let me see if I can get this straight. Actual cases have been made (and followed up by votes by multiple people) against (in alphabetical order):

Alabaska J
Cream147

Gimbo

farside22
RogueShenanigans
TheSweatPantsNinja


We are obviously not lynching Gimbo today, which is why he is crossed out. These seem to be, at the moment, the people various members of the town feel to be scum for actual posted reasons (whether the reasons suck or are wrong is irrelevant). Any additions or does this seem to be the list of the likeliest to get lynched today so far?

Also,

mod prod: FaerieLord, killa seven, Dead Rikimaru, sideney, populartajo, Pepsidude, andersonw, and Gimbo

.

Even Ala thought there was a case against him at some point...

Hey buddy, that was day one. Nice misrepresentation.

Au contraire. Day one is the BEST place to find scum interactions while they try to get their feet wet with eachother. Nothing solid, but great for indicators. Don't take day one so lightly.

[Surye]

I'm not defending nat at all, nat is just a distraction from the more obvious lynch of Alabaska. There will be another day.

[Surye]

I think this is more benificial to town:

Vote claim! I have 1 vote.

[Surye]

I have 2 votes.

*gasps*

No asking for more claims! Lets keep it to votes.

[Surye]

I'm not defending nat at all, nat is just a distraction from the more obvious lynch of Alabaska. There will be another day.

Again, any evidence? Or semblance of a case? Basically you've latched onto Gurgi's rantings for no discernible reason.

One vote here.

If you want to ignore my posts too, then sure, I have no case. However, if you want to look at them.... You'll see I do. You may not agree with it, but to pretend it doesn't exist doesn't make you look any better

[Surye]

This is Massclaim, so claim.

It's only a mass vote-claim

[Surye]

I don't see why the mod-confirmed toad needs to explain anything.

This is so wrong and fallacious it hurts.

[Surye]

I don't see why the mod-confirmed toad needs to explain anything.

This is so wrong and fallacious it hurts.

As much as Id like to disagree with this comment, I actually agree. But hey, at least, you can trust me.

Surye, you belong to another scum faction, right?

Heh, you've got some sense of humor.

[Surye]

I don't see why the mod-confirmed toad needs to explain anything.

This is so wrong and fallacious it hurts.

Keff'd.

Town != Infallible.

Surye, you belong to another scum faction, right?

Where'd this come from?

I agree with Nat that Surye feels a little off lately. Since he isnt confirmed I think someone would like to fireflower him.

Off from what? You're proposing I am killed without a single vote on me?

This came out of no where at all.

[Surye]

I think fireflowing will be the best solution to win this game. Sadly, the majority of People not confirmed will have to die. Do you agree?

You ignored my question, off from what? I don't agree, and even if I did, should we not start with people of actual suspect? Or am I on your suspect list?

[Surye]

Surye for a quick reread that makes me wonder why did he think the 1-up mushroom could have been useful for scum

Huh, the rest of the town seemed to understand. I thought you understood. But I guess you have too much invested in that mushroom to keep your confirmed towness that even the idea that it could be useful for scum makes you freak out and attack me. Don't worry, you're still confirmed either way. Here's how it would work for scum:

1) Lynch a townie
2) Revive a townie, look good, look confirmed
3) have doublevotes, and the townie cannot vote at all
4) ???
5) PROFIT!!

and why did he always jump in the wrong wagons. Example

I don't like the case on Cream, and I don't feel comfortable putting my vote on him.

However, the Cream wagon is making a lot of sense. I liked it yesterday, I like it more today.

Vote: Cream

I like the Cream wagon, it's making him squirm. But it's not time for a lynch on him yet. Probably not today.

Oh, OK, so you're consistent in liking the Cream

wagon

, but you don't like the case on him? Yes, that looks better for you.

No, the wagon was building the case on him. And now TODAY AS IN AFTER THE WAGON the case got convincing, and is now worth a vote.

Geez, what's your problem with me? Looks like you're just looking for an easy vote to avoid Cream.

Wagons serve a specific purpose, they are to generate information and reactions. I like how you completely left out these quotes which provide answer and context to what you proposed.

[Surye]

This is how I see this.
If we had the oportunity to lynch two or more suspected players a day, would we do it?

You're not proposing lynches. Lynches are about the process. It's about the votes climbing. People agreeing. The Lynchee making his defense, and at the last moment, claiming. What you're proposing is the opportunity to have two or more dayvigs a day, which we would never do.


Also, on the note about me, you posted a bunch of D1/D2 stuff, you said your problem with me was recently?

[Surye]

And Alab is still today's lynch. I stand behind this 100%. There is no need to test his claim. There would not be a Dr. Mario, it makes no sense. I'm not outguessing the mod, I'm paying attention to his game. Also, as stated, his interactions with known scum are glaringly obvious.

[Surye]

And Alab is still today's lynch. I stand behind this 100%. There is no need to test his claim. There would not be a Dr. Mario, it makes no sense. I'm not outguessing the mod, I'm paying attention to his game. Also, as stated, his interactions with known scum are glaringly obvious.

Kay Surye. I like your defense so far. Just curious:
a) What would happen if Ala is the real doctor?
b) Who are your other suspects?

a) I'll eat my hat. More precisely, I'll be willing to take the fall for it, defend my case. I stand by my case.

b) Nat is still a little suspect to me, but not by much. There was a lot of confusion surrounding him. Though he claims vanilla toad, and has some coins. I am also suspect of some of the lurkers like skitzer and such.

[Surye]

I'll flower skitzer if thats what most of us agree on

Lets setup a system on that.

Flower: skitzer

I'm still not okay on viging without votes or discussion, but if we can get people on board, I think it's not a bad idea. And skitzer is not a bad target, of this I am sure.

[Surye]

hey, I'm fine with a skitzer flowering. I'm debating on the Ala thing...but in the end I think a lynch is fine too.

We can test Ala. He was fighting quite hard if you ask me.

So Id like to do a list of "to do".
-Ting should vote No lynch.
-Mnowax should explain why is he a Toad with a poisonous mushroom.
-Find a target to be fireflowered by a confirmed Toad and to be protected by Alabaska.
-Lynch skitzer.

Mod: prod her.

-Decide if we fireflower non confirmed like hell.

There's an easier way to test his claim if you must, and not give scum another day to live. Lynch skitzer, star Alabaska if you must, but there's no point in testing his claim when we can test/kill in one swift move.

[Surye]

hey, I'm fine with a skitzer flowering. I'm debating on the Ala thing...but in the end I think a lynch is fine too.

We can test Ala. He was fighting quite hard if you ask me.

So Id like to do a list of "to do".
-Ting should vote No lynch.
-Mnowax should explain why is he a Toad with a poisonous mushroom.
-Find a target to be fireflowered by a confirmed Toad and to be protected by Alabaska.
-Lynch skitzer.

Mod: prod her.

-Decide if we fireflower non confirmed like hell.

There's an easier way to test his claim if you must, and not give scum another day to live. Lynch skitzer, star Alabaska if you must, but there's no point in testing his claim when we can test/kill in one swift move.

Or we could test his claim today and I star other suspected guy tonight. This is simple.
1. Cream buys a fireflower tonight targeting Natirasha.
2. Alabaska makes a pill tonight and protects Natirasha.
3. a) If Nat is killed tomorrow then Ala is lying. He's scum.
3. b) If Nat isnt killed tomorrow then Ala is the doctor. We have another confirmed townie and we can catch many scum in his wagon.
4. Tajo stars Surye.
5. Proft.

This plan has a huge flaw. What if Nat is town? Then the star will not kill him, and Alabaska would be false-confirmed. This plan does not work.

[Surye]

1. Cream buys a

fireflower

tonight targeting Natirasha.

Yea, I miss read that, sorry.

[Surye]

Yeah prob Surye instead of Nat.

I disagree with this plan, as I do not believe Ala's claim for one minute, and so I consider this a death sentence for no good reason.

[Surye]

To elaborate so you understand I am not just pining for my own survival. What you are doing is betting my life on his innocence, regardless of my own innocence. Now, if you all want to suspect me, that is fine, but we should deal with Ala independent of that, and give me a due process before putting my life on the line.

I stand by my plan to star Ala, and lynch Skitzer. It will give skitzer the benefit of a full, real lynch, and puts town-Ala in no danger, and will kill scum-Ala. No need to risk another head to confirm his.

Unvote, Vote: Skitzer

(I will go on record that an Ala lynch is still the right move, but if I cannot get the town on board, a star will accomplish the same).

[Surye]

The problem with not starring Alabaska tonight is that we have to waste a lynch on him tomorrow...I really really really do not think for one second that he's town.

Cream do you realize the number of lynches doesnt matter anymore, right?

The fuck? Have you completely forgotten that the scum have a chance to kidnap Peach every night? The number of lynches most certainly does matter.

It doesnt matter as long as K7 isnt killed. But what I was exactly refering to was to the fact that we arent wasting a lynch tomorrow if Ala flips out scum. We could fireflower him.

Ok, I'll go with you...for now. I still think we are simply allowing scum to live.

Yea, I'm with Cream.

[Surye]

I still don't like having one player's life dependant on another player's alignment. It seems really off to me. I still think we lynch and star.

[Surye]

The problem with not starring Alabaska tonight is that we have to waste a lynch on him tomorrow...I really really really do not think for one second that he's town.

Cream do you realize the number of lynches doesnt matter anymore, right? We can vig him tomorrow.

I can't believe you guys are just going to test him. I can't believe you are buying his crap.

Not only is it a falible test, but if he is bowser, that would give scum an unnecissary NK oppurtunity, AND we fireflower someone who could in all likelyhood be town.

Did I mention I don't like this plan?

[Surye]

The problem with not starring Alabaska tonight is that we have to waste a lynch on him tomorrow...I really really really do not think for one second that he's town.

Cream do you realize the number of lynches doesnt matter anymore, right? We can vig him tomorrow.

I can't believe you guys are just going to test him. I can't believe you are buying his crap.

Not only is it a falible test, but if he is bowser, that would give scum an unnecissary NK oppurtunity, AND we fireflower someone who could in all likelyhood be town.

Did I mention I don't like this plan?

Kay guys you convinced me. I never said Alabaska couldn't be scum but I dont think his lynch is optimal taking in count we can test his claim in many was.
However, I can see the links (heh, I even brought them to the table)
and he's extremely related to Bowser's army. The only thing that worries me is that he sincerely pushed Korts lynch.
But hey this is a democracy.
So. We lynch him instead of killing him tonight since if he's Bowser then he's pretty much unkillable.

Unvote Vote : Alabaska J.

We fireflower mnowax tonight. Cream?
We fireflower skitzer. Forbiddan light?
We fireflower Nat. Gremwell?
Agreed?

His push of Korts is a HUGE reason I think he may be bowser. If the bowser team thought they had the princess, would they not want to sacrifice a not bowser scum? Combine this with everything else, and he is a goner.

I hope we can get everyone back on Ala.

Unvote, Vote:Alabaska

As for the fireflowering, I've said I don't really like the idea of multiple vigs without town consideration of everyone one. I've "flowervoted" skitzer, but no one seemed to catch on to that idea.

[Surye]

Plus, I don't think that FF 3 people is a good move, we should see what stands where after the lynch + 2 FFs. Nat and Skitzer seem to be the favorites among the active people.

[Surye]

Forbiddan can you unvote Alabaska? I dont want the day to end yet.
@Surye and FL. Mnowax claimed Toad. Do you have an explanation of why a vanilla version of this game has a POISONOUS MUSHROOM?

I can't imagine a Toad with a Poisonous Mushroom. Like I said I think there might be something that maybe all toads got different when it comes to the mushroom which is why Nat is not as suspicious, but a poisonous mushroom in a Toad's hand does not seem vanilla to me.

My thoughts are pretty much in line with my opinions.

[Surye]

This post is pretty much in line with my opinions*

That's what I get for multitasking too much.

[Surye]

Surye, why did you disagree with a mnowax kill then?
Also I dont one no one hammering Alabaska until he gives all his coins to the town. Ive heard he has a lot.

I didn't disagree with his kill, I disagree with too many kills in one night with no feedback and discussion between kills.

[Surye]

So I'm hitting Nat tonight, correct?

Yep. Can you give me that extra coin?
And Surye, I totally disagree. With 3 players dead we have confirmation of 3 players allignment. Therefore we know a)people that were town and that were easy targets. b)people that were scum and that have scumpartners ready to be suspected.

I don't think your stratagy is wrong, it's just more bullish, and mine is more bearish. Honestly they will probably accomplish the same thing, maybe with just a few more townie deaths. But considering how good we've been hitting scum targets, I think we can afford it. So I'm willing to stand behind the three if everyone agrees.

[Surye]

His push of Korts is a HUGE reason I think he may be bowser. If the bowser team thought they had the princess, would they not want to sacrifice a not bowser scum? Combine this with everything else, and he is a goner.

Wow. Serious logic flaw here. When I was pushing Korts, FL and K7 already had told us quite awhile ago that Peach had not, in fact, been kidnapped.

Assuming you had reason to believe them. Maybe you were convinced you got her?

[Surye]

I have a feeling flowering ala is better then lynching, im never in favor of killing claimed docs.

His night survival bothers me, but it can just be a ton of different things in a game like this.

I dont know his wagon seemed to form rather fast adn people seemed to just latch on.

This is a silly post.

[Surye]

Hey Ala, what bout if you give us your coins and your posionous mushroom?

Yea... Do you have any coins Ala? You seem to really be avoiding this question. Dr. Mario shouldn't be getting coins, or is your role that overpowered?

[Surye]

Dont know what to say of K7's last post.
How can you say that you dont want him dead but you agree with flowering him?

Because if he is town and a townie flowers him he wont die.. if hes scum.. he would die.

i shoulda been more elaborate i guess.

That's a star, not a flower. A flower is a straight up vig.

[Surye]

The following people are refusing to give coins or dont have any. Please confirm.:
-skitzer
-Alabaska J
-DarlaBlueEyes
-ashmite84
-mnowax

They are refusing period. Notice how Alab hasn't tried to give coins up, even after I directly asked him to?

[Surye]

Dont know what to say of K7's last post.
How can you say that you dont want him dead but you agree with flowering him?

Because if he is town and a townie flowers him he wont die.. if hes scum.. he would die.

i shoulda been more elaborate i guess.

That's a star, not a flower. A flower is a straight up vig.

I don't think flowering or staring Alaska is a good idea. Just a wild thought to throw out there, but it's possible like most games that if Alaska is Bowser he could be a GF type and immune to any of the things like detection.

Ala is the lynch, yea.

[Surye]

Sounds good tajo, would be good to get confirmed

[Surye]

Requesting permission to hammer.

==[]?

I'm willing to bet Ala has coins. We could try to squeeze them out of him, or just throw them away with a hammer.

[Surye]

Fail.
Skitzer is scum.

Yep. Good call. I'm willing to fireflower tonight .

I am with this 100%.

[Surye]

Note

: it's one day till deadline. I'll set the deadline to 4 PM GMT, September 12.

We need to hammer Ala before midnight tonight, we need to make sure we get a real vote count. If we don't get coins/items from someone by then, we're not likely to get them at all.

Mod edit
Visible Votecount:
Alabaska J (7): farside22, Lord Gurgi, Natirasha, DarlaBlueEyes, mnowax, populartajo, Surye
skitzer (1): Cream147
ting =) (1): Riceballtail
Cream147 (1): ting =)
Surye (1): Alabaska J

Not voting (6): skitzer, killa seven, Gremwell, ashmite84, somestrangeflea, forbiddanlight

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

[Surye]

Alright, here's the deal. I go to sleep around 11:15 PM EST. I'll lay down the hammer before I go to bed. Sound fair? This gives everyone about 12 hours.

Endorsed here.

[Surye]

Well, as stated... I am not going to be able to read up the entire game thoroughly. I'd really appreciate a good summary from someone, and a few other people saying "yes, this is a fair summation of events"

And although I will probably do it before deadline anyway: I would like some reassurance that I'm not being duped by two active scum into giving tajo mo' money.

Do it before the hammer

[Surye]

Alabaska claimed Dr.Mario earlier in the game, but he has a lot of interactions with the known scum, and two marios seems...odd.

Here we go. armlx with me only looks bad if you think I am scum before reading it. It looks fine if you look at it objectively.

The case against iamausername was crap horrible. I don't care that he was scum; I would defend anyone who was being lynched for not being a vanilla townie in a game that has town power.

And you're outguessing the mod on the last one.

I am so infuriated with the town right now I want to explode.

I can't believe you guys are following obvscum like Surye, and Gurgi, who admits to creating this wagon off of nothing more than his gut.

Give your coins to populartajo NOW.

[Surye]

Give one coin to populartajo
Give one coin to populartajo

Transaction succesful. skitzer loses 1 coin and populartajo gains 1 coin.

Mod: There's two transactions there, right?

Mod edit: fixed that

[Surye]

Hey Ala, what bout if you give us your coins and your posionous mushroom?

[Surye]

Ala, if you've been watching the game at all, you'd know pop wants your coins without question. The fact that you're STILL avoiding it when directly addressing it shows you have something to hide. Like coins from the kill last night maybe? :3

[Surye]

Ala, if you've been watching the game at all, you'd know pop wants your coins without question. The fact that you're STILL avoiding it when directly addressing it shows you have something to hide. Like coins from the kill last night maybe? :3

Coins from the last kill? What does that mean? SCUMSLIP PERHAPS????

Anyway, looking back, yeah he does so w/e

give populartajo eight coins

give populartajo one coin

there you go

No slip, you got Daisy, didn't you?
And why do you have so many coins?

[Surye]

One thing though, does this not depend on populartajo staying alive? Eggs all in one basket, and all that?

Well, the killer gets all the coins. And pop has enough coins to choose to protect himself if need be. But anyway, if pop dies, we force a coin claim and lynch/kill anyone who refuses. We have several other mostly confirmed townies. I'm one of them, actually. Someone posted a full list somewhere :S.

For this reason.

[Surye]

Ala, if you've been watching the game at all, you'd know pop wants your coins without question. The fact that you're STILL avoiding it when directly addressing it shows you have something to hide. Like coins from the kill last night maybe? :3

Coins from the last kill? What does that mean? SCUMSLIP PERHAPS????

Anyway, looking back, yeah he does so w/e

give populartajo eight coins

give populartajo one coin

there you go

No slip, you got Daisy, didn't you?
And why do you have so many coins?

You read my claim genius? I said I had eight there and then I missed last night.

Where did FL here about that?

The rules?

23) When someone is killed at night, the person who killed him gets the coins. Items are gone when someone dies or gets lynched, but coins aren't.

[Surye]

Well, we got the scum's coins, feel free to hammer whenever now fl. That's what we were waiting on. Now populartajo has a ton of coins, and no one would dare kill him.

[Surye]

Any other comments? Everybody knows what to do tonight, right?
========[]

Sit tight, get confirmed, and hope I don't get killed ;P

[Surye]

Gremwell, FL, both of you should be voting now.

[Surye]

I just know that if I were scum, I'd not give those coins, and I'd self-hammer, to shorten town conversation.

You'd be poor scum then. A less confident town would listen to this, and come to the same conclusion as you.

Also, if he's the last of his faction, this would be his last chance to appeal.

[Surye]

I knew who scum was, obviously, but could not publicly reveal that knowledge. I decided around day two that I would not be winning with scum, so when we got scum down to two people (pretending to bus Korts), I knew I could push HARD on Ala and eventually somehow skitzer got in the mix, so I pushed that too. I felt like a real asshole to Ala, I bet he was confused ;P

My biggest fear was more 3rd party scum. I'm surprised I was never forced into a claim. Also, I know Ala got Doctor Mario as a safe claim ;P

[Surye]

Also, for those curious, I am 100% town right now, so I won too ;P

[Surye]

Also, for those curious, I am 100% town right now, so I won too ;P

So I was partially right about you?
Damn my gut went crazy this game.

Well, actually, Bowser's army NEVER had more coins then town, so my alignment started town, and never changed, so I've been town all game ;P I just knew who scum were.

[Surye]

For the record, I liked the vote counts at the top.

[Surye]

For the record, I liked the vote counts at the top.

I agree.
Little known fact: I used a star on SSF yesterday (either she was Peach or a boss for the double votes) but I was going to claim that I had used a feather on Surye with a guilty result. I wanted to see the reaction to that. What would you have done, Surye?

Hah, you sneaky bastard, that would have been a bad play ;P I would have probably claimed, and stated that my alignment changes based on who has the most coins. And say I was pushing for tajo to have all the coins, so maybe investigations were not swayed by my role.

[Surye]

I think scum was screwed in this game, and my role didn't help. I could not imagine anyone in my role picking scum over town to try to win with, so basically I was more like an undercover agent (not sure if that's a real role )

[Surye]

Yeah. I'm not sure how a currently-town-aligned role who knows

the entire mafia

is supposed to play, really. Even if they can't explicitly name the mafia, they can presumably make it very, very obvious who they "think is scum"?

See: Me vs Alabaska

[Surye]

So that's how you

knew

Alab was scum then Surye...

Yea, I wouldn't have pushed like that without knowing for sure. I was hoping people would pick up I had specific reason for the hard wagon. And I guess we got enough people on board.

[Surye]

/pre in!

[Surye]

Ah so that's why he bussed me so hard. I was so confused…

Unfortunately if he was a confirmed townie, town wins automatically.

I knew you'd be confused, I felt like such an asshole ;_;