Mafia 85 - Murder at the Bus Stop (game over)

armlx · Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:25 am

/confirm

armlx · Post Post #23 (isolation #1) » Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:21 am

Lynch all Liars is false in this case.

Fixed.

armlx · Post Post #25 (isolation #2) » Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:29 am

Not really. While a larger number of all scenarios its not true in, the majority of relevant ones it is true for.

armlx · Post Post #27 (isolation #3) » Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:56 am

I guess inapplicable, as liars is actually a more specific group of liars who tell game related lies which do not progress the town's win chances significantly.

armlx · Post Post #31 (isolation #4) » Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:19 pm

Just getting it out of the way. Its a requirement for me to do it at least once every large game. I think.

armlx · Post Post #39 (isolation #5) » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:16 pm

vote: Slicey because armix is easy to pronounce

Except its ARMLX.

armlx · Post Post #69 (isolation #6) » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:33 pm

Slight policy FOS Jebus

for specifying a fake vote in the random phase.

armlx · Post Post #113 (isolation #7) » Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:24 am

Unvote, Vote SirT

Attacking random votes = no.

armlx · Post Post #124 (isolation #8) » Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:49 pm

And, you want me to do what instead of doing that? Keep on discussing whether lurkers should be lynched till the deadline comes?

Umm, not necessarily. I don't expect you to try to call someone scummy for a completely null action.

armlx · Post Post #127 (isolation #9) » Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:39 pm

On page 3, farside22 ranked higher than anyone else (not saying we should lynch farside22 because of that vote by any means though), precisely because no one else had done anything alarming.

Bus random voting someone is not alarming, hence the reason you voting someone for it being an issue.

Last to confirm isn't even remotely a tell. That's just dumb.

armlx · Post Post #129 (isolation #10) » Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:09 pm

I think you know my view on this pretty well by now. I am not going to repeat myself a million times.

Again, its not a tell.

armlx · Post Post #131 (isolation #11) » Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:22 pm

I don't get your view. Explain more why what farside did was even remotely indicative of her being scum.

armlx · Post Post #133 (isolation #12) » Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:23 pm

Also armlx vs. Sir T looks townie v. townie at the moment. Just wanted to say this before it blows up into a full-blown thing and someone gets lynched.

Why?

armlx · Post Post #135 (isolation #13) » Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:35 pm

I want to hear Sir T's response to my last post before I respond to the above statements.

armlx · Post Post #138 (isolation #14) » Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:21 pm

Fair enough.

Unvote

alabaska, what I was waiting to say was I agree with you, assuming Sir T responded with an explanation. I apparently missed it earlier, and while I disagree is scummy, I can see his logic.

armlx · Post Post #148 (isolation #15) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:32 am

Vote alabaska

armlx · Post Post #151 (isolation #16) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:45 am

unvote, vote: farside22 for giving into Sir T.

armlx · Post Post #155 (isolation #17) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:57 am

Also armlx vs. Sir T looks townie v. townie at the moment. Just wanted to say this before it blows up into a full-blown thing and someone gets lynched.

This too.

armlx · Post Post #156 (isolation #18) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:58 am

Blah, never mind this, its not going to get anywhere productive.

Unvote

armlx · Post Post #158 (isolation #19) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:01 am

@armlx: Thank you.

I was trying to see what he was going to do to respond, but it just failed as A) a bunch of other people got to it first and B) I realized I had randomly chosen the person I agreed with.

armlx · Post Post #160 (isolation #20) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:20 am

Well, really, I was thanking you for responding to my question. I didn't see that you had unvoted until after I posted.

What are your thoughts on that then?

armlx · Post Post #216 (isolation #21) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:44 pm

@armlx: Explain, please.

What are your thoughts on what I was trying to do (start a random wagon and see what happens)

armlx · Post Post #218 (isolation #22) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:35 pm

ARMLX is SCUM. He is ALWAYS scum.

Vote Armlx

Stop being a whiny bitch about actions from other games and play mafia please.

armlx · Post Post #219 (isolation #23) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:36 pm

The above post was meant in the least hateful way possible for the context.

armlx · Post Post #221 (isolation #24) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:55 pm

Do actually have legitimate thoughts about the 9 pages of game play so far, or are you just going to be worthless and try to carry out a personal vendetta?

armlx · Post Post #223 (isolation #25) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:25 pm

Fair enough. If it is, I apologize and hope you realize why I would assume it wasn't. Posting your reasons would be the preferred next step.

armlx · Post Post #232 (isolation #26) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:20 pm

He did that in FinalFantasy (still ongoing), and turned out town. Just plain confusing, I guess.

Shh.... no talking about ongoing games.

And he was joking here.

armlx · Post Post #241 (isolation #27) » Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:39 am

Self-metaing is WIFOM, except in this case of confirming thoughts on game theory.

(random game theory aside over)

Vote Megatheory

I missed the part where he attacked farside for the same random vote.

armlx · Post Post #243 (isolation #28) » Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:45 am

In this setup LaL? What's the use of that? With every lurker that we lynch, we could lose a good poster due to the NK. I don't like this idea from al4xz. Weird, that I hadn't seen this yet.

LaL is dumb as its just saying "Lets replace the lynch with a random kill!". VaL (vig all lurkers) is a step up, assuming there is a vig, but its still a step down from just lynching/vigging scummy people and let the lurkers separate into people who get replaced and those who don't but keep lurking (which is scummy).

armlx · Post Post #251 (isolation #29) » Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:29 am

Hey, Wall-E, speaking of original thoughts, what are yours?

armlx · Post Post #258 (isolation #30) » Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:15 am

Xtoxm is just weird like that.

This, and he was basically random voting as he had just entered the game.

armlx · Post Post #261 (isolation #31) » Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:25 am

Nope, that's about it. And I agree Shanba is being unreasonable about not posting reasons behind a vote.

armlx · Post Post #284 (isolation #32) » Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:10 am

Vote Moratorium

Information without Analysis.

Mod: not counted, unvote first

armlx · Post Post #286 (isolation #33) » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:16 am

I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. He's gathering information so he can use it later and so he can use it now to analyze and come up with a conclusion.

There's a lot wrong with it. Its basically an empty post, looking like it isn't.

armlx · Post Post #320 (isolation #34) » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:40 am

Wall-E, my vote is not for lack of contribution. Its for attacking something that isn't a scum tell.

armlx · Post Post #322 (isolation #35) » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:32 am

@armlx: Ok, thanks for the clarification.

I can understand the confusion, as I attacked Moratorium for his PBP(not)A.

armlx · Post Post #338 (isolation #36) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:02 am

Sir T, elaborate plz.

armlx · Post Post #352 (isolation #37) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:06 am

I agree with farside.

armlx · Post Post #355 (isolation #38) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:45 am

Voting without reasons is bad because its an easy way for scum to spark/follow wagons. Providing reasons removes some of these BS votes from the system.

And your case is a good one.

Vote slicey

Lets get this moving.

mod: not counted, unvote first

armlx · Post Post #357 (isolation #39) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:50 am

It only doesn't work as it has been firmly meta'ed as a scum tell.

And I realize your point, its just actively unhelpful to do it.

armlx · Post Post #359 (isolation #40) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:21 am

But the issue is said bussing gets lost in the whirl of townies going "STFU, no case, bai".

I can see purposes for not giving your reasons up front, but when asked, give them.

Cops have better ways to hide their info.

armlx · Post Post #365 (isolation #41) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:58 am

Agreed, but isn't that a pretty bad reason to vote someone? And what did you mean by let's get this moving?

This game isn't getting anywhere. Shanba was the first person to post a legitimately strong reason a player was scummy, and that was 15 pages in. i'm voting on the basis that I agree with him and this game needs to start moving.

armlx · Post Post #367 (isolation #42) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:03 am

Shanba wrote:/me sighs.

Eh, this was probably the wrong way to go about proving my point, but I strongly believe the meta is wrong on this. It's not like voting without explanations is even anything new, it's just everyone has a gut reaction to it that says it must be unhelpful because it means that they, personally, do not have all the information.

However, it's burying everything else I want to and need to say in order to function in this game, so I'll stop. I'm voting Slicey because of his tentative posting.
Hmm.... not really much to comment on. EmpKing looks pretty suspicious right now, I don't like how he was trying to get everyone to vote.

Hmm... BlakAdder looks suspicious to me, mainly cause I feel like he's attacking Sir T for the way he posts, which I don't like.
he's said he's suspicious of EmpKing and Blakadder, but has yet to place a single vote. He explains this by saying: "I don't think one somewhat scummy post automatically makes them scum. And I don't like unvoting and voting like crazy, unless it's the random voting phase", which is fair enough, but that's only part of what I find scummy. So far, he has said "Hmm..." twice, ">_>" (and variants) 4 times. He feels nervous. When he's asking Wall-E why he's voting for him, he adds "Just curious." at the end, as if he's afraid asking will get him into trouble. This might be excusable if he were a newbie, but he's posting meta opinions like:
I don't like unvoting and voting like crazy, unless it's the random voting phase
and
I'd say pressure people that seem scummy. If you think lurking is a scumtactic, well that's what you think. Evetually, they will have to post though, and we'll see if those posts seem scummy
which indicate that he has a certain amount of mafia experience. Compare with my posting in Basic twelve player mafia, where I was scum. By the end of that game, I was horrifically nervous, and it was showing through in my posts, and the "defeatist" attitude was the reason most of the town had deduced I was scum.

Wall-E, he said it this page.

armlx · Post Post #369 (isolation #43) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:20 am

I was hoping for a very short, one sentence summary from Shanba. I know what he/she is saying, but I wanted it made much more clear and concise for the public record.

Ah, the tl;dr version. Fair nuff. I thought you were asking for the post he made...

armlx · Post Post #371 (isolation #44) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:44 pm

A vote on Empking would achieve nothing.

Why?

As for BlakAdder, I'm not convinced he's scum...yet

Why do you have to be convinced someone is scum to vote them?

These statements seem to imply you are sure Emp is scum. Is that true?

armlx · Post Post #373 (isolation #45) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:23 pm

I have no idea if Emp is scum or not.

Why did you mention him as someone who was vote worth? What has he done scummy?

armlx · Post Post #376 (isolation #46) » Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:58 pm

Where on earth did you draw that implication from? I didn't scan that at all.

He mentions a vote on Empking that he wants to place, and then says he's not voting BA because he is not sure he is scum.

Therefore, for him to vote someone, presumably one condition is that he is sure that person is scum. He did not mention that as a reason to not vote Emp.

armlx · Post Post #382 (isolation #47) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:13 am

Unvote, Vote Slicey

Apparently, my vote wasn't counter.

Also, mod, is the 1 vote on slicey with Shanba + Wall-E correct?

armlx · Post Post #384 (isolation #48) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:34 am

What leads you to suspect Emp more then BA?

armlx · Post Post #387 (isolation #49) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:14 am

He's made 1 non-random vote. How is that trying for a QL?

The later part is his posting style in general, but I don't think you would know that.

armlx · Post Post #391 (isolation #50) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:35 am

The above post is very accurate.

armlx · Post Post #412 (isolation #51) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:51 pm

I'd just like to note this wagon moved way too fast to not be scum powered in some way, regardless of Slicey's alignment.

armlx · Post Post #414 (isolation #52) » Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:33 pm

Slicey was an easy lynch if he is town, and a liability if he is scum in this scenario, so either way it was optimal for scum to bus/wagon him. That was my point.

armlx · Post Post #427 (isolation #53) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:44 am

Their was no change. He wasn't at L-1 so I didn't want him to claim.

L-1 is the wrong time for claims in games in games with more then 7 players (more then 9 players if it's D1). L-3 might have even been the "correct" point in this game.

And Wall-E, no, 17 pages isn't long for D1.

armlx · Post Post #435 (isolation #54) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:02 am

Summarize long post plz.

armlx · Post Post #437 (isolation #55) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:01 pm

Which is one reason why I want that reasoning.

In fact,

Unvote

until al4xz summarizes said post. I fully intend to revote as soon as that happens pretty much regardless of what he said (barring the absolutely scummiest thing possible), I just want him to post reasons today rather then tomorrow.

armlx · Post Post #441 (isolation #56) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:32 pm

K.

Vote Slicey

armlx · Post Post #445 (isolation #57) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:25 pm

Mandatory FOS jebus

for mentioning the Jester. There is no Jester, there never will be in a game that doesn't state it on this site (I think). Jesters are just dumb.

armlx · Post Post #447 (isolation #58) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:13 pm

Why hasn't martin413 posted since the 20th? I'd like to see a scum top 3 from martin413.

Or a prod/replacement on him.

Wall-E, the day cop is a joke related to an ongoing game.

armlx · Post Post #449 (isolation #59) » Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:05 pm

I'm interested to see who hammers.

armlx · Post Post #467 (isolation #60) » Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:10 pm

Sure Jebus.

FOS al4x

for mentioning the Jester.

armlx · Post Post #469 (isolation #61) » Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:11 pm

I missed al4x saying it, and saw your post out of context.

armlx · Post Post #472 (isolation #62) » Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:33 pm

I'll buy his drink.

Surye fails for saying things that imply you are extremely accepting and therefore absolving of responsibility of a hammer.

armlx · Post Post #474 (isolation #63) » Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:55 pm

Different vote positions and reasonings hold different weight in post wagon analysis.

I never said I was blaming the hammerer for a mislynch if one happens. I was only not absolving them of being related to the lynch if they do and it flips that Slicey was town.

armlx · Post Post #483 (isolation #64) » Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:36 am

WRONG!

No, not wrong.

The best example I can think of was the old school 3rd on the wagon tell, which was actually legit until it over used.

armlx · Post Post #484 (isolation #65) » Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:37 am

So you're making extremely obvious statements to appear active.

Huh? What the hell are you talking about here?

armlx · Post Post #519 (isolation #66) » Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:30 pm

I like option A + get prods done before night fall.

armlx · Post Post #523 (isolation #67) » Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:51 am

Mod, how long between prods and replacements?

armlx · Post Post #527 (isolation #68) » Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:42 am

See above.

armlx · Post Post #531 (isolation #69) » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:39 am

Armlx - I feel his buddying to me is not genuine, his reaction around my joke was a bit odd.

I thought you were legitmately trying to carry on a vendetta with respect to the joke. I'm not going to discuss the matter more for obvious reasons.

armlx · Post Post #540 (isolation #70) » Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:42 pm

No not really, it is just that i'm finding him scummy, but i'm not entirely sure why.

Figure out why?

I'd just as rather give them night to catch up.

Rather have opinions before alignment is revealed.

armlx · Post Post #543 (isolation #71) » Wed Oct 01, 2008 4:19 am

Waiting on replacements its the nut low.

armlx · Post Post #550 (isolation #72) » Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:10 am

Slicey is a very good lynch at this point. Unfortunately replacements won't get here in time to comment.

Mod edit
Votecount:
Slicey (11): Wall-E, Shanba, armlx, Surye, farside22, Riceballtail, Moratorium, Empking, BlakAdder, Alabaska J, al4xz
Surye (2): Demon Pineapple, Sir Tornado
Empking (2): RestFermata, Slicey
Wall-E (1): Mana_Ku
farside22 (1): martin413
armlx (1): Xtoxm
Xtoxm (1): killa seven

Not voting (6): Azuma, Cream147, Slepz, ace1217, Megatheory, Jebus

With 25 alive it's 13 to lynch.

armlx · Post Post #552 (isolation #73) » Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:25 am

Mind elaborating on that last bit xtoxm?

armlx · Post Post #566 (isolation #74) » Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:41 pm

Xtoxm, what do you not understand about how Shanba's conclusion was made?

armlx · Post Post #569 (isolation #75) » Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:20 pm

It's good, not the best ever. But the later part applies. Read plz.

armlx · Post Post #573 (isolation #76) » Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:03 pm

When a quick wagon springs up like this on Day One, and they claim townie, the suspect is more often than not telling the truth.

Does more often then not = more then proportionate to the townie:scum ratio?

armlx · Post Post #577 (isolation #77) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:56 am

What are you saying, here? I think what you're asking is if the ratio of player to scum (typically 9:2, I believe) is higher than the ratio of towies lynched D1 to scum lynched D1 (see below).

Well, the ratio in non-vanilla games is usually higher (3:1, give or take). I'm asking xtoxm if the ratio of people who claim townies who are lynched D1 who are actually townies to those who are scum is greater then 3:1.

So, yeah, what you said, with different odds.

Personally, I don't think it is. This is something I might get around to gathering empirical data on.

armlx · Post Post #578 (isolation #78) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:59 am

The other thing to consider is whether is disproportionate to the percentage of D1 lynches that are scum, as well as the percentage of D1 scum lynchees claim townie.

armlx · Post Post #579 (isolation #79) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:21 am

Ok, so over the past 35 games in the New York forum (down through Mafia 62).

9 people who claimed townie D1 have been lynched. 1 was scum.

4 scum have been lynched D1. 1 of those claimed townie, 1 claimed Doc, the rest did not claim.

Despite the fact the low sample size allows for a lot of variance, it appears P(scum lynch) ~= P(scum lynch | townie claim).

Statistics pwned. I might even go back further later.

armlx · Post Post #581 (isolation #80) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:25 am

It does have to do with that as xtoxm was arguing based on the assumption townie claims D1 are more likely to be true.

While what he said is true, the important ratio (P(A) vs P(A|B)) is 1, meaning that a townie claim does not really change much.

If you would like to argue his play has been pro-town, that's a different story.

armlx · Post Post #584 (isolation #81) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:30 am

This does play a part, yes, because I find mafia, especially fairly newbie (and quite a few experienced) mafia do not generally claim vanilla townie when pressurized. It doesn't help mafia in any way. (for example, claiming cop can lead to counter claim, which exposes the cop, etc).

My data doesn't have enough mafia claiming townie information to prove that either way.

And what statistics are damning?

armlx · Post Post #588 (isolation #82) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:38 am

If you have a lot of time on your hands, you might want to see how many claimed power roles (due to pressure) were scum. I think it might be a rather large number.

That's a lot more extra time then I have, as I would have to go back through and read full D1's of each game as power roles aren't likely to be lynched D1. Though of power roles lynched D1, the percentage being scum is higher then par, most likely due to the fact the bar for lynching claimed power roles D1 is much higher.

armlx · Post Post #594 (isolation #83) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:20 am

And, what about the games you have been in?

I could go back and compile a list later today, but I honestly only remember 1 or 2 times ever letting someone who claimed townie during a wagon live D1 and it was due to theme game flavor or other confirming circumstances, and the stats on lynches sound about the same as I saw looking back, maybe a bit better on both parts (scum lynch given townie claim D1 and scum lynch D1) due to the fact I have played a lot of minis and themes where D1 scum lynch is easier.

It really looks like farside is reaching for a reason to hop off the wagon, and Shanba is confusing me.

armlx · Post Post #596 (isolation #84) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:22 am

Wall-E, regarding this being meta changing, I doubt it. The stats currently show no correlation between claiming townie under pressure D1 and being scum.

armlx · Post Post #598 (isolation #85) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:30 am

Are you saying Jebus agreement with xtoxm based on nothing is reasonable?

Its certainly not unreasonable to the point I would expect it to weight over the reasons you were voting Slicey. Why do you think it is scummier?

armlx · Post Post #600 (isolation #86) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:34 am

Shanba, you also have to consider the lack of a hammer, but your question still stands.

Mod edit
Votecount:
Slicey (9): Wall-E, armlx, Surye, Riceballtail, Moratorium, Empking, BlakAdder, Alabaska J, al4xz
Surye (2): Demon Pineapple, Sir Tornado
Empking (2): RestFermata, Slicey
Jebus (2): Shanba, farside22
Wall-E (1): Mana_Ku
farside22 (1): martin413
armlx (1): Xtoxm
Xtoxm (1): killa seven

Not voting (6): Azuma, Cream147, Slepz, ace1217, Megatheory, Jebus

With 25 alive it's 13 to lynch.

armlx · Post Post #602 (isolation #87) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:47 am

There's no issue with scum hunting, its more an issue with you causing a sudden change in momentum, especially so close to DL.

armlx · Post Post #603 (isolation #88) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:47 am

EBWODP: You did that specificially by vote swapping there. The comment about Jebus was warranted.

armlx · Post Post #605 (isolation #89) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:19 am

The intent of a vote can be made without losing the functionality of it on Slicey.

armlx · Post Post #608 (isolation #90) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:31 am

With 9 votes on Slicey and 2 days to go and no one close to a lynch do you not agree that Slicey will still be lynched D1?

Likely, not assured.

armlx · Post Post #610 (isolation #91) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:33 pm

it would be highly impossible to grab those quotes from Jebus and type all that in all of 6 minutes after your post (provided she saw your post right after you posted it)

Definitely not. Its pretty easy to do that.

armlx · Post Post #612 (isolation #92) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:39 pm

Not when you have to search the thread for the posts of the said person... It wasn't exactly on this page.

Under the quick reply box, there's a "Display posts from previous" ____ "by" ______ search function. Draws up all of Jebus's posts in 5 seconds.

armlx · Post Post #615 (isolation #93) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:44 pm

Also I see no big vote change happening so far Armlx you still concerned at this point? Why?

The potential for there to be one out of nowhere without real time to properly consider the wagons shouldn't have even existed in the first place.

armlx · Post Post #619 (isolation #94) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:18 pm

No, my point was that by changing their votes, farside + shanba created a chance for a last second shift that would result in a lynch without a real chance for discussion. Whether its a huge chance or not is irrelevant. There should be no chance of that.

armlx · Post Post #621 (isolation #95) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:03 pm

Yup. Any other lynch at this point would basically be spontaneous and liable to not even have a claim pre-lynch.

armlx · Post Post #623 (isolation #96) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:56 pm

in b 4 eod

............

armlx · Post Post #625 (isolation #97) » Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:12 pm

Tomorrow afternoon. 9PM GMT I think is 2EST?

Mod edit
Votecount:
Slicey (9): Wall-E, armlx, Surye, Riceballtail, Moratorium, Empking, BlakAdder, Alabaska J, al4xz
Surye (2): Demon Pineapple, Sir Tornado
Empking (2): RestFermata, Slicey
Jebus (2): Shanba, farside22
Wall-E (1): Mana_Ku
farside22 (1): martin413
armlx (1): Xtoxm
Xtoxm (1): killa seven

Not voting (6): Azuma, Cream147, Slepz, ace1217, Megatheory, Jebus

With 25 alive it's 13 to lynch.

armlx · Post Post #633 (isolation #98) » Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:58 am

Cuz clearly, swapping major wagons with 2 hours till deadline is going to result in an optimal scenario.

armlx · Post Post #665 (isolation #99) » Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:17 pm

What Wall-E said.

Another person who has piqued my interests is Cream. Anyone notice how he managed to slip through D1 with making any really big opinions?

Vote Cream

.

armlx · Post Post #667 (isolation #100) » Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:55 pm

I vote against any Sir T re-replacing on principle of him having an unrevealed night choice.

armlx · Post Post #679 (isolation #101) » Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:13 am

Cream still had his random vote on at the end of the day, and only made one statement that was really taking a stance, and that was barning my post about the slicey wagon being scum powered.

armlx · Post Post #681 (isolation #102) » Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:34 am

I can't say I didn't expect this kind of behavior from RBT.

armlx · Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:17 am

Wall-E wrote:One of any three random players is statistically likely to be scum.

Just sayin'.

X

1/3 is really excessive unless the scum groups are REALLY divided (Before you mention 8-3-1, its really swingy and unbalanced IMO, 8-2-2 is ok I guess....). 1/4 is more realistic.

armlx · Post Post #708 (isolation #104) » Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:19 pm

Riceballtail wrote:
armlx wrote:I vote against any Sir T re-replacing on principle of him having an unrevealed night choice.
Wait, what? How do you know he had a night choice?

He died and was revealed as a bus driver.....

armlx · Post Post #737 (isolation #105) » Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:50 am

I'm interested about how xtoxm automatically steps up for Jebus, saying they both probably saw the same thing.

armlx · Post Post #739 (isolation #106) » Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:55 am

Uhhh...

That's all just information about what he posted.... no anaylsis to back that vote really.

armlx · Post Post #751 (isolation #107) » Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:14 pm

Hmm...I see you as town so far but Xtomx wasn't voting Slicey so switching his vote doesn't really matter. He also said he thinks Slicey is town, in fact he said he's 100% sure Slicey is town...

That was more Farside + Wall-E (I think Wall-E? or was it someone else?)

RBT, you just bolded information and didn't explain. Why are those two things scummy, and why is it enough to vote?

armlx · Post Post #770 (isolation #108) » Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:42 pm

QFT how the hell can you threaten lurkers by telling lurkers they're threatened before you even do it?! I was like umm..that kind of destroyed the whole point, and what's worse

You pre-empt the behavior. The threat of a threat turns into the threatening action, thus dragging lurkers out.

I hate knowing Tornado's town because Mora' hounding on him looks really bad on Mora, trying to remember he doesn't know T's town

Why does knowing T's town change your opinion of this?

Armlx is questioning Slicey as to why he is ok with voting Empking BUT at the same time saying he's simply voting him to get the game moving.

I also agreed with Shanba's reasons and felt he was at least fairly scummy.

*smack* why did you just scare scum into not hammering? Altho I think mostif not all of them are on the wagon already, still a bad thing to say, obviously you want to pay attention to who hammers, but quietly

Was too busy thinking Slicey was scum.

That said, I'm slightly unsure on the Surye wagon. I'm going to go back and do a read of his posts soon to see what I think.

What I don't like about Muerrto's post is a large amount of time near the start spent talking about the actions of people who are dead that didn't involve interactions with currently living people.

armlx · Post Post #775 (isolation #109) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:50 am

I don't see what's wrong with that line Emp.

As for Cream, I forgot about how he was pro-lurker lynch too. Yay hypocrisy!

Mod edit
Votecount:
Surye (3): springlullaby, Riceballtail, Muerrto
Cream147 (3): armlx, Empking, BlakAdder
Jebus (2): farside22, Shanba
Riceballtail (2): Xtoxm, Surye
Sir T. (1): Wall-E

Not voting (11): Megatheory, al4xz, Azuma, RestFermata, Gremwell, Alabaska J, Cream147, Jebus, Slepz, killa seven, Zazier

With 22 alive it's 12 to lynch.

armlx · Post Post #778 (isolation #110) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:25 am

Cream looks like Armlx is going for his mislynch to me.

Elaborate plz.

armlx · Post Post #780 (isolation #111) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:06 am

As much as i've looked at you this game, I can't see you being town.

Elaborate plz.

Though ever since my first game with you, I don't think i've ever a) Seen you be town, b) Gotten a town read from you...

PYP3, but you were scum there so it doesn't really count.

armlx · Post Post #785 (isolation #112) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:25 am

Xtoxm wrote:I don't see how I can elaborate any more than that.

So you are just going to say "I think armlx is scum" and not have anything to back it with?

armlx · Post Post #797 (isolation #113) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:44 am

This whole "He's scummy but I've got no reasons" reeks of xtoxm trying to defend scum buddy Cream without having any real way to do so.

armlx · Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:48 am

Wall-E wrote:
Vote: Xtoxm

While I agree, mind making a slight elaboration as to why? Or is it just the obvious?

armlx · Post Post #806 (isolation #115) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:21 pm

No, you tell the lurkers you're gonna put pressure on them but not lynch them therefore destroying the pressure. I don't know who it was now that said votes cause pressure by themselves but that's bull. Maybe to a complete newbie but not in a game with experienced players. This comment destroyed any hope of preventing lurking, which we've seen so far this game.

You end up lynching them if they keep lurking and refuse to be replaced.

Because if they're both town it doesn't matter if they attack each other. There's no bad side in it.

I guess?

I have more of an issue with you talking about how dead people are acting not actually scummily towards each other over relevant issues.

That was more of a 'duh' thing not a 'you're scum' thing. I don't see the suspiscion on you at all. I do think you might be playing a little looser than I've seen in the past though. I was pretty surprised at the Slicey wagon and the fact you're backing it up still today surprised me.

My point was I thought Slicey was scum, hence my post might draw a bussing hammer. It didn't obviously.

I had to analyze the thread WITHOUT hindsight so I tried to do just that. I did mention in a few places where someone was already dead but I tried to avoid that so I didn't skew my own opinions.

I realize, I do that sometimes as well. Its still not helpful and makes up a fair amount of what you posted.

armlx · Post Post #821 (isolation #116) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:23 am

Unvote, Vote Xtoxm

More avoiding explaining himself, OMGUS, etc etc.

armlx · Post Post #826 (isolation #117) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:48 am

Xtoxm wrote:I was wondering why you were holding back on doing that.

I was giving you a chance to do what Shanba said, plus that OMGUS tipped the scales over Cptn. Lurks out of a Wagon.

armlx · Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:55 am

Being against a mislynch is not a town tell.

armlx · Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:27 am

Xtoxm wrote:Being scum is a scumtell, so you can't talk.

armlx · Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:31 pm

How can that be percieved as a serious comment? At this stage, in this situation, atleast?

not even going to bother commenting on this.

Well, what do you expect when armlx asked me the silly question that he did?

Which silly question? The one about wanting an explanation for your post? Or the non-question of what is/isn't a scum tell.

armlx · Post Post #897 (isolation #121) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:12 pm

I'm used to xtoxm trying to be more logical, or at least pseudo logical, then this.

The one thing thats making me question my vote is his lack of lurking, which is his major scum tell.

armlx · Post Post #901 (isolation #122) » Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:58 am

Why is it bad to meta yourself?

Because if you meta yourself and use said meta, its at best WIFOM with regards to your alignment.

armlx · Post Post #903 (isolation #123) » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:10 am

Xtoxm wrote:Not if you can back it up by proving your meta.

But because you know your meta, you can act appropriately to make it exist in non-accurate scenarios. The point of meta is to pick up on subconscious tells people do then use those to gain an advantage. If you know your tells, its a lot easier to control them.

armlx · Post Post #905 (isolation #124) » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:39 am

Xtoxm wrote:No, it's not easy to control your own tells at all. I have personal experience of this.

Depends on what the tell is.

armlx · Post Post #920 (isolation #125) » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:30 am

Unvote

I still think xtoxm-town is capable of being more coherent then this, but its possible he changed since the last coherent game I was in with him.

And is it just me, or does Emp's last post make actual negative sense?

armlx · Post Post #923 (isolation #126) » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:48 am

Ahh, fair nuff.

Anyways

Vote Cream

armlx · Post Post #934 (isolation #127) » Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:45 pm

Not voting (13): Megatheory, Azuma, RestFermata, Gremwell, Alabaska J, Cream147, Jebus, Slepz, killa seven, Zazier, al4xz, Surye, Xtoxm

This is a problem. Fix it.

armlx · Post Post #938 (isolation #128) » Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:13 pm

Jebus, by the mass of posts logic, Battle Mage and myself are automatically confirmed town every game we play.

armlx · Post Post #943 (isolation #129) » Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:38 pm

Elaborate please Wall-E. Its not that I don't think what just happened is possible, its just I want to be sure you are telling the truth.

armlx · Post Post #945 (isolation #130) » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:12 pm

On what you thought you saw that made you think he was scummy, and what you then realized it was that made you think he was town.

armlx · Post Post #949 (isolation #131) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:18 am

Xtoxm wrote:There are too many people absent from this game, and I don't feel like attacking anyone who's active right now.

Vote K7

Is this serious?

Why the habitual lurker over the person who wanted lurker lynches then started lurking, while making no real stances in the game.

armlx · Post Post #956 (isolation #132) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:33 am

You think it makes him more likely to be town?

That's not an excuse. What makes any of the other lurkers any different.

OH wait, I made a case on Cream. Hmm....

armlx · Post Post #964 (isolation #133) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:50 am

Cream is legitimately V/LA, and some of the stuff he said prior to that struck me as town.

What stuff specifically?

armlx · Post Post #980 (isolation #134) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:28 pm

Now, people want some opinions off me because I've apparently avoided putting forward views on anything. Let's talk Slicey wagon.

I personally don't think the case on Slicey was great. On a reread, I think it looked like a wagon out of a necessity of a wagon rather than a wagon where everyone was convinced of the reasoning behind it.

Congrats. You managed to pull both of the standard "I disagreed with said past mislynch" and "Not saying anything" ploys in one post.

armlx · Post Post #982 (isolation #135) » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:40 pm

Why me over the other people who did?

And usually a lynch is done because there are no better options for a lynch.....

If you want to argue people didn't agree with the reasons behind it, lets have a full count.

Who voting Slicey did not feel he was scummy?

armlx · Post Post #997 (isolation #136) » Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:01 am

Xtoxm, again. Why K7 over the other lurkers.

armlx · Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:50 pm

xtoxm, I saw that. I wanted to check if that was it.

armlx · Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:10 pm

How is he not as good a lurker vote as any?

See case on cream. He advocates lynching lurkers, starts lurking, is even around to really comment on the major wagon yesterday and doesn't.

Cream also has no real history of this.

armlx · Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:05 pm

V/LA makes someone who consisently lurks as scum not be a scumtell.

I don't remember a V/LA notice.

If you can point that out, I still want a response from Cream as to why he didn't say anything about the Slicey wagon.

armlx · Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:06 am

Ah, in his sig. I don't read those when people aren't posting.

I still want an answer as to why he just didn't comment on the Slicey wagon at all.

armlx · Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:35 am

I still say K7 is a lower EV lynch then several other lurkers.

armlx · Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:18 pm

Usually when called out he isn't toxic as town I've noticed.

Interesting. I never thought about this, but its true. As town he does a lot less of "You are wrong, don't lynch me" then "X is scummy, lynch him".

I'll consider it.

armlx · Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:19 pm

BTW, farside, do you have specific game examples? I know the one I am thinking of is Desperate Mafia (Mafia 76 I think, Cephrir mod) where he was town.

armlx · Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:35 pm

I can't resist a good meta case. I still think Cream is scummy though and needs to be looked at.

Unvote, Vote K7

armlx · Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:41 pm

He also got pretty wonky in Random 3.

armlx · Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:05 pm

Was he town or scum in that game.

Scum.

armlx · Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:43 pm

Muerrto wrote:This K7 wagon is bad and I notice Al4xz and Surye and Wall jumping on for crap reasons again. I expect better out of Farside and Armlx.

Orly?

Why is a wagon based off a previously undisclosed by confirmed meta tell "bad"?

armlx · Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:34 pm

Meta is bad. It's so god awful hard to prove. K7 always lurks and I've seen him get pissed about being called on it before. Is he more pissed now? Maybe. But maybe he had a bad day and it's just coming out more. Who knows.

Since when is proof needed? Why not just reasonable examples?

And its not an issue of pissed. Its an issue of how he deals with being called out: deflection or reasoning.

armlx · Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:39 am

Xtoxm wrote:Yeh, K7 should be lynch immune in all games because he dies to a vigilante N1.

Fixed.

armlx · Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:45 am

springlullaby wrote:
Vote:Surye

Nothing changed.

What was it in the first place? Honestly, I'm not a big Surye wagon fan.

armlx · Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:40 am

I'm pretty indifferent on the xtoxm wagon. I mean, a lot of what he has been saying has been really absurd, but the level of absurdity I'm used to seeing from him is above average. It's not enough to meta-null the actions, but its worth considering.

armlx · Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:57 am

I don't even know what to say at this point.

armlx · Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:26 pm

Let's face facts and move on from wah wah the doc died. I admit I saw his claim before he was lynched, but figured we needed the information. His claim should have been more heartfelt.

What? K7 never claimed.

armlx · Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:03 am

I still don't like how xotxm got out of a wagon by going "No, power role!!111!!!!" and that's it.

armlx · Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:06 am

Not as far as I'm concerned, I'm still waiting for a rational explanation of his behavior.

Doubt you will get one.

armlx · Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:39 pm

I believe I provided an argument concerning meta and personal opinion as well as various other sort of things, showing that your little quote above is, in a single word, a lie.

Xtoxm wrote:And how the fuck am I scum? Idiots...

And yeh, i'm a powerrole btw, so get you votes off me ffs.

Huh... where's my lie?

armlx · Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:03 pm

kuribo wrote:
Vote: al4xz
since I coulda swore I typed that already.

I can endorse this decision. The more I think about it, the more I can see xtoxm just saying the power role thing regardless of actual role or alignment.

Unvote, Vote al4xz

armlx · Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:28 pm

You say you think xtoxm is lying

I do think its very possible. I've also come to remember I can't associate xtoxm lying with him being scum necessarily.

armlx · Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:36 am

Bolded the part that's the lie, because I defended him, and I clearly remember it.

P sure your defense had little to do with any vote shifts.

Armlx, I don't understand what you are trying to say here. First you drop the above paragraph, and then that somehow translates into a vote how...?

I mean, same LALurks + lurkishness of cream early, the BS trying to call a "lie" later. Bringing up jester on the slicey wagon after voting. Non-committal start today including the only all FOS tell.

Oh yeah, and looking back you didn't defend xtoxm after the K7 lynch, only lightly before.

armlx · Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:27 am

See above.

armlx · Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:00 pm

I am no longer defending you because I believe you to be scum. Take no offence, this is a game.
I am now attacking you because I believe your reasoning is weak. It sounds like something you slapped together. However...

This makes me want to lynch al4xz over Wall-E. that, and my memories of Wall-E's actions in Sensfan's High School Mafia.

armlx · Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:23 pm

Armlx, was that intended for me to respond to, or was it merely something you said?

Whichever one you feel like.

What did I do in that game that reminds you of this one?

This reminds me of how you got entangled with IcemanE in that game.

The kicker is... it's not the reasoning Wall-E slapped together, it's al4xz's reason... that al4xz is criticizing. WTF?

Definitely agree here.

armlx · Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:59 pm

Its al4xz.

armlx · Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:11 pm

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9097

Read day 2.

Not sure how that is "arcane"....

Read the interaction between obv scum IcemanE and Wall-E.

Notice Wall-E is town.

Mod edit
Votecount:
Wall-E (4): Alabaska J, Muerrto, BlakAdder, al4xz
Surye (2): springlullaby, Riceballtail
al4xz (2): kuribo, armlx
Alabaska J (1): Jebus
kuribo (1): Xtoxm
Jebus (1): farside22
Riceballtail (1): Wall-E

Not voting (7): Azuma, RestFermata, Gremwell, Slepz, Zazier, Cream147, Surye

With 19 alive it's 10 to lynch.

armlx · Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:01 pm

The end game still befuddles me. Instead of killing me + KoC we got an additional lynch and additional jail keep, and then the double voter (aka confirmed town) was lynched in 2 v 1.

armlx · Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:32 am

Wall-E wrote:In simple terms, what are the correlations you're drawing between icemanE's play there and here?

Its more a similar scenario between you and al4xz.

armlx · Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:38 am

Sigh...that IS the point. It DOESN'T benefit him as scum OR town. He MESSED UP and THOUGHT K7 had claimed doctor PRIOR to the lynch. BUT if K7 HAD claimed doctor prior to the lynch we WOULDN'T have lynched him. But he THOUGHT K7 DID claim prior to the lynch and we STILL lynched him and he was OK with that.

????

Again, I'm p sure no one here had any indication to K7's role until he died.

armlx · Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:05 am

REACH.

Again, there is no way anyone could have known K7 was doc yesterday. In that context, explain how Wall-E's action is scummy.

And lol al4xz, the slip post blatantly said for info.

armlx · Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:19 am

Still like my vote on al4xz.

Still think Muerrto is reaching.

Want link to games Alabaska is referencing.

armlx · Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:16 pm

@Armlx: You rely on meta too much unless you're simply calling Ala on his inability to show said meta that he claimed was there.

You would say that as it applies to you.

armlx · Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:55 pm

Wall-E wrote:You're claiming an appeal to emotion is without value, but I've seen it win games, both as town and scum. I submit that your disregard for an entire toolset of argument is detrimental to your own game.

The meta is at the point App. to Emo. is nullified by the town response.

armlx · Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:34 pm

al4xz is a fair direction to go in.

armlx · Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:39 am

Um...no I've said you rely too much on meta all game. Did you want me to quote it?

Yes plz.

armlx · Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:14 am

I don't see why you are so worried about Alabaska posting a referenceable game.

armlx · Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:56 am

Muerrto wrote:
armlx wrote:I don't see why you are so worried about Alabaska posting a referenceable game.
I'm not. I only said 'you rely on meta too much'. You do. You got 'worried' out of that? I've been saying meta sucks all game, why pick now to dispute it?

Because you only now started attacking people for meta when it applies to you.

armlx · Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:53 am

I'm sorry, I'm confusing this

@Armlx: You rely on meta too much unless you're simply calling Ala on his inability to show said meta that he claimed was there.

and this

There's no reason you should've needed me to quote that after how I've been so vocal about it all game. I'm starting to wonder why you're playing less than stellar this game Armlx.

as being in the same post.

I still don't see why you care so much about Alabaska presenting his evidence and ruling it as inaccurate before its even posted.

armlx · Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:50 am

when you flip scum I hope Ala

Why Ala?

armlx · Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:28 pm

Alabaska J wrote:
armlx wrote:
when you flip scum I hope Ala
Why Ala?
he gets rather OMGUS-sy when pressed

Well, that was what I was assuming.

armlx · Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:21 am

I'm still waiting on Alabaska to post a link to said game.

armlx · Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:48 pm

I can think of a way.

Just saying.

armlx · Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:50 pm

What is the name of the game.

armlx · Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:02 am

Wall-E wrote:IDK about you, Muerrto, but my inbox does have a maximum size limit. So does my savebox. A year *is* a long time.

Is there truth to the meta? Anyone else?

Your profile view posts by user function does NOT have a size limit though.

armlx · Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:59 pm

More al4xz lynch?

armlx · Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:42 pm

Its about half a vote from claim/die time.

armlx · Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:39 am

Uhhh, sry, thx.

That is NOT how cops work ever.

armlx · Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:33 am

Xtoxm wrote:
Order of Night actions:
The action on top is resolved first. If there are multiple actions of 1 type, the action I receive first will be resolved first, but all actions of that type will be resolved (so a vig and a goon killing each other will both die, for example).
1) passive abilities
2) blocking
3) target-changing
4) protecting
5) killing
6) alignment-changing
7) investigating/tracking/watching etc.
Questions about this can be asked in thread or via pm.
Votes off him nubs.

Every other game I have been in ever has had cop results show up even if the target dies.

armlx · Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:06 pm

al4xz, exactly what was the "result" you got on Emp.

armlx · Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:25 pm

Wall-E wrote:Let's all kill Alabaska J.

Or the obv lying scum al4xz.

armlx · Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:27 am

Sigh..... you just had to make me do this.

I'm a cop. I tried to make this as fucking obvious as possible who I targeted each night.

Notice how my Cream vote came pretty much out of nowhere D2 and how hard I stuck to the wagon? Yeah, found out he was scum N1.

The second night.

armlx wrote:
springlullaby wrote:
Vote:Surye

Nothing changed.
What was it in the first place? Honestly, I'm not a big Surye wagon fan.

Surye = town.

I wouldn't have counter claimed had the wagon not dissolved for no reason and I wasn't taking down at least 2 scum from it.

If we have a vig, shoot Cream tonight.

armlx · Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:27 am

Tl; dr version.

armlx = cop
al4xz = scum
Cream = scum
Surye = town.

armlx · Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:04 am

SL, I thought bus driver was all actions A makes target who B was going to target and visa versa.

You are implying all actions targetting A would be swapped to B and visa versa.

Check your role PM and confirm which of these is true.

armlx · Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:18 am

Its most likely the former of the 2, as that's the standard, in which case Cream should swap the 2 people he thinks are most likely to be scum in order to stop a potential kill.

armlx · Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:20 am

EBWODP: Never mind, I've just been confused about the role the entire time I played.

Never mind, Surye's post is correct. Flip the coin about whether to swap or not, but also consider swapping one of us with a random (obviously only whoever you think is actually the cop).

armlx · Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:27 am

No, its relevant, as its now

armlx = cop
al4xz = lying scum
Cream = scum
Muerrto = town
SL = saving my ass tonight

armlx · Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:27 am

Actually, had you not claimed it would have been much better.

Sigh.

armlx · Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:01 am

No, if there is another pro-town bus driver, they definitely want to do something involving the cop they feel is pro-town.

armlx · Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:27 am

Cream is probably a better lynch then al4xz just based on the fact that if there is a scum RB, its more likely to be Cream as al4xz would have just claimed RB, not cop, if it was him.

armlx · Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:28 am

Unvote, Vote Cream

BTW.

That's 4 by my count.

armlx · Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:32 pm

Wow, failed ANOTHER thing.

No result is the correct PM always.

Seriously, why anyone believed al4xz is beyond me.