Open 878: Scarfolk Council | The End

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VOTE: alianna

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drew/alianna w/w gotem gg

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that was funny

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invisibility is unironically town cuz alianna gut-pinged me too

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3 slots down 9 to go

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3? What's the third

alianna and dr drew are clear scumpartners clear as day

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does this game have anyone who's usually around at this time of day lol that could be nice

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wow so exciting

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skitter can u talk about invis being so town? is it based on meta knowledge

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I'm not willing to townlean anyone on the basis of "has reads" but I guess I won't complain about it too much.

this stuff felt slightly wolf to me at surface level.

"I won't complain about it too much" just feels like a wolf perspective in a way that I could see alianna slipping up. either about some correct townreads or wanting to get townread herself for an active start

the idea of town complaining about some page 2 reads just doesnt make sense to me, even if u disagree with the reads. what I would expect town to do is like, evaluate implosion's alignment based on that, which doesn't happen; this post also assumes implosion town in a +0.05% wolf way


idk ive been back and forth on this

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I have implo slight town lol

andante slight town for meta reasons but my meta understanding is fairly weak

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it's a light thing cuz I like to force out nonzero reads rn lol

like I wouldnt even try to convince other people of it or anything

"writing off as town" is a bit strong

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Also, I don't understand like 1 word from whatever you're trying to say here

I'm not willing to townlean anyone on the basis of "has reads" but I guess I won't complain about it too much.

this stuff felt slightly wolf to me at surface level.

"I won't complain about it too much" just feels like a wolf perspective in a way that I could see alianna slipping up. either about some correct townreads or wanting to get townread herself for an active start

the idea of town complaining about some page 2 reads just doesnt make sense to me, even if u disagree with the reads. what I would expect town to do is like, evaluate implosion's alignment based on that, which doesn't happen; this post also assumes implosion town in a +0.05% wolf way


idk ive been back and forth on this

why would town feel an urge to complain about those townreads? I spent a while trying to empathize with it but couldnt really

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idk u just feel like the other games I played with u

the way u are forming reads + the way u are asserting them, I believe this is u genuinely trying to solve the game

and like not caring about how appeasing it is. ppl find it wolfy but doesn't affect you

the wolfgames I briefly skimmed I could see like more effort to be amenable to people interacting with them + generally milder assertions

but in the games ive played with ppl they were also like "this is NAI for andante, that is NAI for andante" so I wouldnt let this take me past like, page 10

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but in the games ive played with ppl they were also like "this is NAI for andante, that is NAI for andante" so I wouldnt let this take me past like, page 10

this feels like you're leaving that opening to walk back that town lean you have on me.. like, when you see people pushing me, you have that door wide open to vote me and go "oh lol meta isn't reliable here"

idk yea I was sorta explicitly walking it back lol, like "theoretically if u did nothing I find towny after this, then it would go straight back to null soon cuz im so unconfident"

the intention was mostly to try to get things going by expressing mild feels

but I also think I feel more strongly about the townread now, so that prob wont happen

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kinda wanna vote sheep... but sheep is at least interacting with me, so meh. I hate the votes on me. I feel like I'm the towniest one here by far

do u think ur current voters are wolfy

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bluh this game is getting serious too fast which i have recently learned is a trait of games i don't get invested in

ok sorry I will avoid I also dont like the serious

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here have a gif

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VOTE: drew

oooooo

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Cat Scratch Fever do u happen to have any reads on the active posters now? like andante/alianna/me etc.
it's kinda bugging me how ur avoiding commenting on relevant stuff

otherwise I would be townreading u lol. 151 and 213 are rly good imo

also what do I call u is it like Cat or CSF or something

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I'm not willing to townlean anyone on the basis of "has reads" but I guess I won't complain about it too much.

this stuff felt slightly wolf to me at surface level.

"I won't complain about it too much" just feels like a wolf perspective in a way that I could see alianna slipping up. either about some correct townreads or wanting to get townread herself for an active start

the idea of town complaining about some page 2 reads just doesnt make sense to me, even if u disagree with the reads.

what I would expect town to do is like, evaluate implosion's alignment based on that

, which doesn't happen;

this post also assumes implosion town in a +0.05% wolf way

idk ive been back and forth on this

How am I supposed to evaluate someone's alignment off "X and Y are towny" with no reasoning? There really wasn't much to sort in the post. Even though I had a guess about the reasoning, I didn't find it AI. I just disagreed with it.

How does it do that?

ur green sorta contradicts u firmly assuming the reason was for giving reads
purple: this is basically me saying the same thing as the green part lol. a) finding it frustrating and b) not wondering "does poor logic make implo scum?" Technically assumes the reads are real + he is town

But I sorta want to drop it and my mind changed lol. ur post after this made me basically get it.
+ other takes made me think ur village

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this game is poopy hard

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I am the supreme leader of this village

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my vote was semi-serious but i feel iffy + implosion 245 is basically 70% what I was thinking

so I dont rly feel like talking about it

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can u briefly talk abt drew too lol

do u townread him or does it just seem meh cuz out of nowhere

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I actually rly like what he said abt woo

woo-drew wagons would be nice

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I think woo posting is rife with more disconnects to accompany the one drew pointed out

I am not sure I understand why I am being wagoned, but hello o/ Lookin like wagons are forming and dissipating in the span of a handful of post

Well, you have two votes on you which is nominally a wagon. Do either of the votes on you make you think anything about the people voting you?

Nah, not really. They thought I was inactive and wanted to pressure. It's pretty NAI, scum could do it for the town vibes.

this just seems like a direct contradiction to me

I was also going to townread woo like, doubling down that he had no reads + nothing meaningful happened so far (last line of 247, 251). but then he talks about andante like a normal scum read. idk something feels fake

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I too townread Woo's last page

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VOTE: sheepsaysmeep
Idk fellow citizens of Scarfolk his towniness seems a bit overrated to me
Would anyone like to convince me this slot is town?

Spoiler: gif

Yes?

tbh this feels slightly scummy to me. oh my god u suck

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eh I was going to say a bunch of things but I double-checked closer and realized u do actually townread andante alongside all the other current wagons. so this makes far more sense to me

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im still curious if u can more precisely describe ur stance on me. like are there things u found wolfy or is it purely "im skeptical of the townreads"

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Opa

Opa

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I think ur post is weird too sorry bro

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they've posted exactly like that the whole game so it's weird to classify it as a panicked self-defense

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blah

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Aisa's approach the last few days is nagging me

The way she has tested different votes (me, skitter, andante) just looks a little openwolfy to me

a) I think it highlights how she's struggling to form legit scumreads, which is just a little more likely wolf than villager

b)I think a more villagery approach would be like alianna's readlist, where she i) admitted explicitly to having a lack of wolfreads and b) concluded "there's likely a decent amount of wolves in the inactives," which is a valid conclusion imo. rather than like, aisa forcing herself to turn on different actives, such as her former townreads

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like in particular the momentary vote on me is still on my mind

theres like the "I'm just trying this to test what happens" aspect
which is just kinda wolfy to me outside of rvs

"I don't necessarily outright wolfread you, but I feel like what you've done is fakeable, so I want to challenge the townreads on u"
this just feels.. more inherently wolf-motivated to me. like even if there have been townreads that I disagree with, im not inclined to try to challenge them at this point. but theres so much direct scum reason to do so. the notion of "fakeable" feels like inauthentic justification when I would assert literally everyone has technically done easily fakeable stuff this game

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hi Im tired too lmaoo

ur post implies the existence of stronger scumreads than the people youre voting for. do u have any actual outright scumreads this game? my understanding was u were doing this because of a lack of actual scumreads and u were actually trying to hit scum

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I think it's like in general as a player I enjoy fooling around for a bit. Sometimes I don't vote my top scumread right away but I like poking and prodding and reactions testing a bit. Or I vote someone who I think is, like, an "underrated" wagon but not necessarily scummiest in absolute terms.

like this is something very normal to me that I'd probably do

it's more, something about how u havent rly presented anything directly as wolfy. more wishy-washy. which feels wolfy

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I'm also noticing a slight tone difference from when I was scum with her, but I can't really put it into words yet. I know that's not exactly helpful, just going to note it anyway.

I am curious if u can link this game pls. tho I prob wont read super in depth

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this is hard

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would u say u scumread skitter

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hmmmm ok thank u

I think Andante OMGUS is another andante town or at least NAI feature that we've been talking about this whole time ftr lol. it's been present in every game I played with her

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Ok have a few days off in a row, gotta give this game more attention.

I am starting to feel it in my gut that there is scum in Aisa/Alianna/Adante....as per my meta.

What does "as per my meta" mean?

This feels kinda convenient to me, considering the VC at the time (you were voting Woo, then think two other wagons Andante/Alianna could also be scum)

Spoiler:

Vote Count 1.5

Doctor Drew (4):

Cephrir, sheepsaysmeep, implosion, GuerillaWoo

GuerillaWoo (3):

Cat Scratch Fever, Doctor Drew, Alianna

Andante (3):

skitter30, Menalque, Invisibility

Alianna (1):

Dunnstral

skitter30 (1):

Aisa

Not voting (1):

Andante

he's gone rip

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Aisa's approach the last few days is nagging me

The way she has tested different votes (me, skitter, andante) just looks a little openwolfy to me

a) I think it highlights how she's struggling to form legit scumreads, which is just a little more likely wolf than villager

b)I think a more villagery approach would be like alianna's readlist, where she i) admitted explicitly to having a lack of wolfreads and b) concluded "there's likely a decent amount of wolves in the inactives," which is a valid conclusion imo. rather than like, aisa forcing herself to turn on different actives, such as her former townreads

I don't really think her progression on Andante from townread to a vote in the next post comes from scum

idk I started feeling a little better about aisa but I think it's totally see-able. especially in line with the fact that it seems like she was trying/struggling to develop scumreads -> "wow suddenly ive had a revelation and I think andante's scum"

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What's ur overall read on aisa

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I think it's sort of fair point in Asia's favor, incl the look up past games part

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I think CSF is towny

I did an ISO too so cool u can pass day 1

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I think CSF is towny

I did an ISO too so cool u can pass day 1

Why do u think csf is townie?

idk there was just a v large quantity of thoughts that I really like

I think what bothered me about not engaging with major thread stuff is no longer valid; she had firm decent stances on all my major wolfreads etc

and generally her remarks just feel authentic/un-agenda'd; idk how to explain this vibe well but there's like a good mix of consensus and anti-consensusness

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hi

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can u talk about skitter mild townlean because ive been iffy on that slot

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and Woo vote

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ok I mildly agree about woo lol

not just the fact that he unvoted, but like his overall popin was just pretty bad. 2 posts but no will to do anything because the pressure on him has eased

"I don't feel like much has changed" when meaningful stuff happened is +wolf

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sheep could you give me an overall reads list?

I dont rly like these

sheep
implosion, andante
alianna, invisibility trending up
cephrir
menalque/Dunnstral
aisa/skitter/maybe woo
dr-enchant

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CSF is missing from like prob the second/third tier

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wow activity

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plus it would give enchant a chance to start playing, and not just be defending all game.. I don’t think I was really SRing drew, so idk

to be fair he had like 3 votes total for the first day after he subbed in

I feel pretty confident

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plus it would give enchant a chance to start playing, and not just be defending all game.. I don’t think I was really SRing drew, so idk

to be fair he had like 3 votes total for the first day after he subbed in

I feel pretty confident

in what

u being wolf

sry

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Sheep, what do you think of skitt’s idea that I make sense as an enchant partner?

uhh I don't rlly think anything meaningful lol

I remember reading it and being like "that makes lots of sense, I see that" and giving skitter a couple townpoints

I think u explaining "enchant is a player unlikely to respond differently to a wagon" or whatever also made enough sense

I havent read the exchange between u two in enough detail

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this game is either rly easy or rly hard

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yea pls dont shoot invisibility ftr

dont want to regret not saying it out loud

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prod received

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ive been just wanting hammer lol

for selfish reasons

but I know other ppl are like pls allow more time so wtv

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I think CSF is town. She's been sort of forging her own path but not in a like, stand outside the rest of town and nobody sees me way

towny read cuz it's so similar to mine

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yeah like ive personally been thinking someone should just hammer and back and forth whether to request it

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idk

I'll always think enchant should be resolved here
the way they're playing would never convince me otherwise lol

im losing motivation for this game and think the recent direction is weird

im doubting a bunch of reads but I dont want to open that door
and I think what will 80-90% be a reassuring red flip will help

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iyam

theres scum in the recent pivot to dunnstral, even if enchant is town lol

because enchant seems perceptibly the objectively optimal lim today. via consensus reads + theyre not doing legit stuff

like Even if dunn is scummy and even if dunn is wolf lol, enchant should be resolved

the movement around is such a strange show-y response to enchant not being villagery

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I might change my mind about that when I read back In-depth

I mainly just focused on enchant's posts lol

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I was actually feeling weird about dunn lol

but like

not really interested in even pondering that rn

d1 is slugging

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VOTE: aisa

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remember thinking their end of day 1 was one of the wolfiest

agree mildly about both dunn/skitter

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remember thinking their end of day 1 was one of the wolfiest

agree mildly about both dunn/skitter

not end of day as in the last hour on MU, but like the latter section after enchant was basically determined to be the lim

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they were just the weirdest around enchant

andante behavior is explained by townreading enchant

menalque technically has an explanation as like that whole "I solved the game via these tests" thing that I still dont know what to think about

aisa sort of calls enchant wolfy but then does a bunch of weird stuff I think wolf might do in a dadv situation

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I think im working with like implo and CSF as town and everyone else is iffy and needs re-look

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Why is csf strong town?

I dont remember lmaoo I'll try to see

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I'm somewhat questioning ceph and implo now. I don't really think csf is town

I'm still somewhat sketchy on andante's slot tbh

ehhh im on a pretty different wavelength, I think ceph+implo are the 2 who feel the game most similarly to me in a way that's probably just villa lo l

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i may or may not have had thoughts abt that but we're not supposed to talk abt rep-outs now i believe so kinda glossed over that

oh did they actually make that change

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I dislike the notion of "let's find the wolf on the wagon" and lazily think theres a wolf doing that

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I just think like, obviously statistically there is wolf, but relatively the wagon felt very town-driven. like I think this wagon has way less of an expected value of wolves contained than the average d1 wagon on a villager so I think "since we know there's a wolf on the wagon let's focus there" is agendaly misapplied to this game

I infact think youre far more likely to find wolf off-wagon, for whiteknighty reasons + if there are people who didnt get the enchant!wolf push, that feels legit a little >rand w

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I sort of think Aisa's enactment of it is the worst, like asking 4 different people "why were you voting enchant? why didnt you give him more time?" bugs me a lot sry

it just feels fake when I feel like the unanimous reasons why enchant was wagoned + it makes sense to lim him without waiting to deadline are all already out there

it feels like too indirectly pushing the notion "we must find the wolf on the wagon" by doing shady lines of questioning whereas the other people outright saying they think theres wolf there are a bit less wolfy

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thats pretty funny

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aureal can u describe ur current reads?

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damn ur hurting my chances of getting nightkilled and escaping

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im actually mildly getting tunneled onto aisa here

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Hello darlin'. What can I help you with today

Damn
Would you like me to ask you a question or would that make it worse

Keep in mind that if you choose "make it worse" at some point I may decide you don't get a choice and ask the question anyway

enchant is an open wolf here please take the freebie

Great! I have assigned you a question. Your question is: was there anything behind your conviction here, except implosion's case?

VOTE: Enchant

Yeet. This may be all the content I can muster today, but yeet.

I have also assigned you a question, dear. Your question is: see question above

I think one thing I’m curious about,

@implosion

, is why you decided to make your case 24 hours after Enchant subbed in. Did you ever think about waiting a bit longer to see if Enchant would do something before accusing him? How certain were you that he was going to flip scum?

this is aisa coming into today clearly prepping to push the notion that the enchant wagon was scum-driven but scared to actually say it out loud like other people, which I would have believed more

Though I sympathise with what other people have been saying about Enchant meta, I think his alignment was ambiguous and I don't really blame people for wanting to flip there

this I just do not believe side-by-side with the agenda of the SoD questions

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kinda funny that we've seen that post like 4 times in a row

imo theres not really anything if ur gonna catch up in full, thats great it's start of day u have time

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thats a pretty good villagery post imo lol

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I sort of disagree with cephrir saying that the "hunting on the wagon" approach is NAI but I think it's genuinely just not worth the effort to keep writing about, like I tried but it's a really minor thing for me

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I think dunn saying like, "all the mafia wouldnt want to be on the same side, some on-wagon some off-wagon" was the best it's been presented and the first time I was like meh I get it

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I just think like, obviously statistically there is wolf, but relatively the wagon felt very town-driven. like I think this wagon has way less of an expected value of wolves contained than the average d1 wagon on a villager so I think "since we know there's a wolf on the wagon let's focus there" is agendaly misapplied to this game

I infact think youre far more likely to find wolf off-wagon, for whiteknighty reasons + if there are people who didnt get the enchant!wolf push, that feels legit a little >rand w

Why exactly is it that you think this wagon was so much less likely to have scum on it?

pedit: g'whoa, implosionmath

im lazy to write a ton about this but we were just on a very similar wavelength. I just had a confident perception while being there like this direction of the game is good and town-driven/lots of towns vibing here and the sudden push away from enchant when he didn't do anything feels wolf-driven. but I feel like, enough people perceived it differently that there have to be a decent number of villagers on the opposite side and maybe my worldview is based on very flawed stuff so I am. feeling weird about these aspects of my logic

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Egix can u describe ur strong Aisa townread

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@sheep

I'm somewhat questioning ceph and implo now. I don't really think csf is town

I'm still somewhat sketchy on andante's slot tbh

ehhh im on a pretty different wavelength, I think ceph+implo are the 2 who feel the game most similarly to me in a way that's probably just villa lo l

Can you explain why they felt the game most similarly to you?

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I dont rly understand the question here?

this is just like directly from the content of their posts, we had the same read/reasoning on enchant at the same times and same overall stance on the game / how day 1 should go

it's like a mind meld but broader. I think it makes ppl +v

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viewtopic.php?p=13795968#p13795968

marking for myself where I want to start reading from when I find WIM lol

I sorta see what skitter's saying in terms of, like, I do feel like ive been doing less lol idk

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why? I think they align fairly well

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aisa is in the general "there's scum here" group from the first post

sometime after day ends I think more specifically about it and go eh and feel like the other members in that group are ok

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The second post first line refers to aisa in case that’s a misunderstanding here

I still haven’t sat down and thought abt u and stuff im procrastinating

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Dunn what are ur strongest reads off the top of ur head? Can’t rly tell from a skim

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@sheep why do u think your wim is still low here?

idk hard to explain probably just a minor mix of out-of-game stuff

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first I was like "I feel like aisa is really really really wolf and my entire to-do list today is just to guide other people to that light and then today was productive enough"

now it's like, Asia's being mildly villagery, so when I start doing things I need to think about a ton and that's scary

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funnily enough, I missed that sheep never answered either of these questions, the one on ceph or andante. sheep, if you remember, I would still like to know this

funnily enough I remember typing out the answer to your questions and not pressing submit sorry

what I was gonna say about ceph was that I remembered a couple villagery posts but realistically maybe they should be null instead of ever-slight-town

I now feel a bit better about ceph than I did back then and think he's a fair town lean

andante was town both for play and I thought the pr claim was slightly +town, but mainly Early game play. first pages of the game andante was pretty strong town for me

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lots of words this game is exciting but I am busy today but hopefully this will give me a boost

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I respect you a lot fireisredsir whatever ur alignment

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Incidentally I think “get there eventually” is a pretty dangerous notion here. All it takes is mislim today + extra kill on town tonight + 3 person scumteam and we’re in MELO tomorrow. I should probably really want to get a scum today

I was about to be like bruh I still find aisa so scummy but this is a really village post it made me feel something

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I started rly reading. I am maybe at page 40 but have also been skimming recent pages


I now feel worse about andante. I actually read andante's dunn wolfcase and I think it's fairly wolfy of andante. she quotes literally almost every single post of dunnstral and says only negative things, no concessions, and it was just glaring to me how unnatural it was. it poked me a little lol when I think implosion was like "I just dont get andante this game" and I was like hm maybe it's just wolfy? in my past experience with andante I disagreed with lots of her reads, but her thought processes did make sense to me and that's how I found her as town, and here there's some stuff im genuinely like I just dont see how that could be thought. obviously not much point to press this today without anyone in the slot lol

I rly like CSF again lol. it's nothing unfakeable but all her thoughts just hit me like wow that was good. this time it was 850, basically whole thing. I feel less like I want to press egix atm.

I reflected about Ceph and think his d1 is legit mildly villager. he cares so little about how he's perceived I think. like implosion said this about skitter, where he thought skitter wouldve explained herself when she put drew's slot at scum suddenly, and I think that applies ceph's d1 lol. no need to explain himself with much of his own reasons just "pummel this guy lol". funnily I found STD town for a similar line of thought in a recent game

I think menal's thing was villagery now. this is especially with context from his wall from today. mainly that he's trying this for the first time. like when he started doing his questions and reaction testing and stuff, he was boxing himself into needing to be able to come up with a palatable end product, and I dont think he wouldve done that as wolf trying this for the first time.

I am interested in the fire wagon still sticking out like that so close to the deadline- like I dont have a say to question it because I havent really read about it at all lol, but my instinct/gut is mildly against the lim from his posting. first it was like this catch-up could totally be wolf but I really like the way he seems to be engaging with / questioning stuff and I am somewhat pocketed by his read process on me, I think his townread was a good read for the right stuff and his progression on me tonight is something I commonly experience. im mainly curious to look later at how people pushing before the sub have taken into account fire posting

I am like once again thinking aisa is wolf; mildly skeptical of skitter. want to talk about these sometime later idk.

I suppose I should be focusing on looking into the viable options for today lmao 3 days is much closer than I had been noticing I’m sorry. pls forgive any weird writing in this post I’m phone-typing some with night contact lenses in

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Idk lol

I think fire is posting almost like wolf!me lmao my gut screams wolf

but I think some aspects of their posting are just. Objectively villagery on paper lol

and thus I feel really weird about the state of the wagons

is my surface takeaway prior to understanding much

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And I read the post before, I mean I want you to cite the exact posts where fire is being objectively villagery

idk maybe there's nothing there if others dont see it lol. I just think his vibe is extremely villagery. villagery thought processes + very unafraid to engage with people + lots of WIM. I think he's had a pro-town effect on the game with how I had completely no motivation until fireisredsir entered and im like oh shit now we really have a game now theres good stuff. I have by far the best gut/natural reaction to his posting in this game before I process it and am like eh fine a wolf can do that. I would feel better about the wagon on him if it acknowledges those aspects of his play that I think look good (idk if it does that yet, I still havent read very in-depth and citing the specific posts u want rn feels weird cuz of that lolz. it's an eager open approach to the game thing

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I feel like theres a legitimate reason to why people take pagetops. like it's so unsatisfying to notice your next post would be on the new page; I'd rather first start the new page and then much more at ease

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I like fire's skitter read, at a quick skim. I think it's vaguely similar to mild paranoia ive been wanting to articulate that her reads are too static?
like for example, she first put CSF at wolf for a minor thing. then she keeps repeating here and there that she thinks CSF is a wolf, but many many people have expressed a different opinion and she doesn't engage with it. she asked me why I townread CSF, didnt rly do anything with the response; tons of other people say "I townread CSF" and skitter disagrees but just doesn't rly interact. I think something similar happened with Andante, where first she developed a push on Andante, then a bunch of people went "I feel like this is town for andante?" sorta stuff and I dont feel skitter faced that enough and instead just kept maintaining a rigid andante!wolf

when I saw fire talking about skitter I liked fire more, it feels like we're somewhattt poking at a similar thing

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sheep, do you have any thoughts on aureal?

woo was meh, I feel like aureal today has been really pure

any particular posts about aureal I should direct my attention to

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ur slot claimed pr btw

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VOTE: skitter

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implosion can u link a scum game? not that I ever go there today lmfao but maybe I just really really like the way u talk

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this is going bad for me. my townreads are less confident and my scumreads are less confident and everyones like one fucking blob together glmao

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I think if fire is a wolf then maybe egix is wolf, but if fire's villager I find egix's progression very villager from unvoting fire at e-1 and then progressing onto skitter

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To those who worried the wagon on enchant was too easy yesterday — look how much more difficult the fire wagon is proving to be and there is a more meaningful effort to counterwagon onto skitt

still reading but I think this is an unfair point to make as fire is playing the game while enchant did something other than that

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skitter can you describe your read on me more

is it mainly dropping off + the way I joined your wagon? I dont remember seeing anything else

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skitter:
I have like 7 more pages I want to read and I think I can do it soon, and then I can probably better answer your question about whether I'd vote fire

idk it's a weird question. I cant promise I'd vote him because my instinct finds him mildly more likely town due to similar gamestate feels and stuff, the wagon feels a bit weird and I just don't rly find myself really convinced by things ppl have said.

I can say like I'd re-think him, I'd feel worse about him. I've already been thinking like, it makes some sense to resolve him because a lot of my townreads just want it dead, which would be reinforced with your flip lol. I think sometimes in a game it's owed to flipped villagers to kill their strongest wolfread. but ive had this conversation before where like, someone (mu champs winner) said that a villager died and had said "please kill this person" so now we need to kill that person, and I refused to forego my minor townread on the person, and we agreed to disagree, this seems similar

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idk

it's a weird line to me "do you agree to go after my reads when I flip v"

I almost feel it's wolfy but that feels possibly a bit unfair. to me like, idk just something about it feels not right, if you were nightkilled I have some instinct to obey your legacy but I feel like you expecting us to follow your reads as if we would def if we were v is un-intuitive. and your read on me feels a little not fleshed out enough to warrant this, it feels like it hopped from im thinkig about sheep to nuke after I die

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Yeah this game needs a multitude of people to meaningfully respond to the wagons lol

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I was going to write about aureal being wolfy but that post resolves a lot of my concerns

this game is just fucked so weird

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I was going to write about aureal being wolfy but that post resolves a lot of my concerns

this game is just fucked so weird

This is more for a future day, but what concerns did you have, and how did Aureals post resolve them?

I felt like they were hinting at wariness about the fire wagon but not being outright enough. struggling to find the words to describe it rn; like shading the fire wagon. like when I felt weird about the fire wagon (first I talked about how I felt about the wagon and then I saw aureal's earlier posts) I feel like I did it much more directly. the recent post is like definitely very direct and I think her concerns about red wagon are pretty similar to what my concerns were lol with some differences but similar enough that it's like a mind meld

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I was going to write about aureal being wolfy but that post resolves a lot of my concerns

this game is just fucked so weird

You've got some pretty weird progression on my slot, lol. Here, I just ISOed you, here's a few of my thoughts to which I'll add that.

votes Drew in 240, no reasoning given and I'm not seeing anything coming soon afterwards
poking skeptically at other people like Alianna (108, 242) CSF (241), Woo (311, 313), Aisa (401, 482, 487) but apparently not skeptical enough to move off the unexplained Drew vote
tries to ask people about skitter, has expressed no read (495, 555)
566 is a readlist with Drew at the bottom, still no explanation for that, just feels confident (655, 665)
then 874 and 875 basically just say Enchant should be resolved, still only because "not doing legit stuff"
D2 opening is weird, thinks Aisa's movements at end of D1 is wolfy and I've no idea why
lots more concern about Aisa throughout the day, pulling back a bit (1135, 1323)
read on CSF keeps going back and forth
doubt about fire wagon, doubt about skitter, townreads me for no reason (1367) and just now expresses worry that was never expressed prior but it's okay because my post cleared it up

can you talk about why u think some of these things like weird progression are wolfy? or lacking explanation?

I guess I mostly see why they would seem intuitively so lol but I feel like this altogether is presented too indirectly. it would help read u if you can sort of make like another linking step

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I sorta wolfread pushes like that that are just like "this person did this and that" and the implication is that those are wolfy things, for things I think are stereotypically wolfy but imo aren't actually wolfy, like flip floppy progressions etc.

like it can easily reveal wolfiness with further depth, like if the jolting around fits with agenda / thread sentiment but I dislike selling it like that at face value

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I sorta wolfread pushes like that that are just like "this person did this and that" and the implication is that those are wolfy things, for things I think are stereotypically wolfy but imo aren't actually wolfy, like flip floppy progressions etc.

like it can easily reveal wolfiness with further depth, like if the jolting around fits with agenda / thread sentiment but I dislike selling it like that at face value

So, just checking, you're not feeling Aureal as town anymore?

I rly have no idea about that slot lol, I need to ISO it sometime but like probably not this day cuz it doesnt matter we shouldn't CFD at this point

if we lim fire and fire flips town I would townread the slot but fire actually makes a really good point about avoiding skitter so possibly nvm

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I sorta wolfread pushes like that that are just like "this person did this and that" and the implication is that those are wolfy things, for things I think are stereotypically wolfy but imo aren't actually wolfy, like flip floppy progressions etc.

like it can easily reveal wolfiness with further depth, like if the jolting around fits with agenda / thread sentiment but I dislike selling it like that at face value

So, just checking, you're not feeling Aureal as town anymore?

I rly have no idea about that slot lol, I need to ISO it sometime but like probably not this day cuz it doesnt matter we shouldn't CFD at this point

if we lim fire and fire flips town I would townread the slot but fire actually makes a really good point about avoiding skitter so possibly nvm

I can see Aureal's point, though, this is another good example of it. You look like an active contributor, but your posts have actually been "Aureal seems town to me, people need to talk more about the wagons, Aurea might not be town after all, unless fire flips then they might be town, but then again nvm." So there's been no content. How about this: what do you think about my case on Dunn?

this is a fair point about me and I think it's fairly villagery the way you've been presenting it lol

I'll take a look im so behind bro im sorry

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is the dunn case 1469?

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hm

tbh at first thought I just dont find it compellingly scummy. which feels sorta rude because I cant rly explain it at all lol im sorry.

I was gonna ask if ur familiar with dunn but I saw u said ur not; I think if u were you might find this stuff more nai, maybe not fully, but I can just very easily see it as villa!dunn who just pokes around and doesnt think he needs to explain himself lol

that is what my personal response looks like

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if anything I think dunn being so unexplained lurking-in-the-shadows says town-dunn to me lmao but thats leaning into gutty reads to ideally not rely on mid-game

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damn I did the no-actual-stance-despite-seemingly-contributing thing again oops

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Merlyn can you throw out what a general readlist roughly looks like rn? or im sorta interested in who you think is most likely town. sorry if I missed it while skimming

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Interestingly it looks like at this point my vote doesn't swing things; nominally the fire voters are dunn/ceph/skitter/menalque and the skitter voters are egix/fire/sheep/aisa/merlyn/reluctant-aureal, assuming some new candidate doesn't come along.

ok I was going to write a lottt but you've given me an out and now im just going to be very lazy lol

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+1 sorry skitter about the timing of all this and I hope moving goes very well

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sheepsaysmeep is town

I think implosion is just town still. I didnt read the scumgame he linked suuper closely but I think theres a noticeable difference in his discomfort and like the depth/complexity of his thoughts

I think fire is toooown, it's not that there's anything he did like "that's really hard to fake", it's just like he said we are responding reallyyyy similarly to some things lol and when that happens on a large-scale it's usually just town. and I find the efforts against him just pretty underwhelming

I think ceph is town, maybe trended down a little

menal is probtown. like at the peak of his exchange with fire, at the wall, he was locktown, prob top town. but I find his recent couple pop-ins that are just "vote red" reallyyyy bothersome and bad faith. one specific example, one effort he made to push people onto red over skitter was "just look at the people on the two wagons." that one bugged me the most because it was like, almost all the fire-voters or intent to do so like implosion had basically ceased playing the game and processed nothing since fire's posting, the people who would vote skitter here are the ones who have credibility in terms of currently actively evaluating, and that was something I was gonna talk about with why red>skitter bothers me so much. and it doesnt feel like his reads are so polarized between the two wagons that he can justify/overcome that disparity


egix is like iffy-town lol, I liked csf and then I sorta like some stuff but I feel like he's being relatively unreadable to me and it means he has to trend into "iffy" territory. hopefully we are around at the same time sometime to converse

aisa is like, my gut still screams wolf, but I think maybe I should just accept she's a threadspewed villager. the really general explanation why I constantly feel like she's a wolf is almost, like, "she's being too reasonable." I find that among big posts with lots of words, it's like ultimately nothing is being said and im often like damn I was excited that there was gonna be a firm assertion at the end, like thus I conclude this person is wolf and it would be spicy, but it turns out there realllyyyyyy rarely is that firm assertion and it sorta just seems like a wolf who struggles to formulate strong wolfreads. reads rarely stick long-term. like I find aisa can be talked out of most things, and sometimes that doesnt feel like a villager with enough natural instincts. BUT a) I accept this could just be playstyle, b) what mainly sticks out to me is that after being like, strongly townread by nearly everyone, aisa keeps playing the same and having lots of motivation and feeling free. not that me doing the converse is wolf lol, but that is like the most villagery possible response and alone makes me sorta feel like it's v lol


I feel like ive outlined the mainnn thing that stood out to me about skitter. like progression on csf is "I feel like that csf post was wolfy" -> hundreds posts later, "I think csf is p wolf" -> hundreds posts later, "csf is prob wolf." between those posts, many people, most of the playerlist, say they think csf is town, the only one she acknowledges is asking me why. I think similar things happen with other wolfreads like me slowly trending down for not being here, with andante sitting at wolf despite like strong reasons some things were NAI just meta-fact-wise.
her response to the wagon is also just, a lot of different parts of just dont make enough sense to me to buy it. there was a bunch of aspects that I cant all think of right now. 1) is just what ive discussed about "push fire/sheep after I die" being performative, and pushing the idea that if people don't push her reads after she dies then theyre wolfy felt especially dirty to me. like, people almost never follow legacy reads on this website lol, let alone when you're the lim, and I really dont think skitter's reads this game seemed like she would be so confident "this must be immediately pummeled after I die." the reads have seemed relatively mellow. 2) I don't buy her reacting like semi-omgus reads, in how she's been like, "fire and sheep are wolves for their pushes on me, the others can be villa." I just do not believe that that doesnt align with her reads too conveniently, and then she's acting as if it's based on the ways we've pushed her rather than prior reads. for example, the way she responded to egix was as if she was going to omgus him, and tonally accusatory, then suddenly he's town. why is aisa hopping on the wagon town and sheep is gross and wolfy? it just feels like conclusions that aren't actually based on how we joined the wagon; if anything I explained myself more than aisa, where I described a paranoia that's been brewing throughout the whole game and aisa just described one mena-fire conversation and allowed that to move her vote. then, people pop in, are reluctant to vote fire and ok with voting sheep, and suddenly skitter thinks sheep looks worse than fire. it's just omgus to try to fire a counterwagon


then you get to like, merlyn/aureal (im just going to bunch them together cuz im short on time)
Merlyn - I was feeling not good previously about the andante slot, Merlyn has been ok
aureal - purest tone ive played with in a long time which is +town

but I keep coming to that push on me as a little bad faith. I think "sheep hasn't been explaining things and his contributions have started lacking" feels weird to assert like that because it ignores context. at first, I was definitely not what theyre describing, I started the game pretty thorough. then, I was like we just need to kill enchant here lol--which could be wolfy, but it completely explains what theyre describing. then, I outright say, im lacking motivation for this game and not going to do much, which could be wolfy, but it explains what theyre describing. to the point where it's wolfy to just be like "sheep is doing these things, these are wolfy things so obv sheep is a wolf"

I think generally, in an omgus-y way, the push onto me feels very wolf-driven. skitter's explanation boils down to "sheep is lacking wim" and that slowly devolved into sheep is definitely wolf here. as implosion described, this feels just, outright shit reasoning when it applies to the vast majority of the game. dunn is playing the game less than he did eod1. ceph is playing the game even less. menal has been playing the game less. implosion is playing the game less. etc.
then a wave of people joins on and I just think there's got to be a wolf trying to take advantage of the momentum
skitter: d1 sheep townread -> sheep wolf -- for which I feel there is basically no justification out there
menal: d1 sheep townread -> I'll yeet sheep today, no explanations
ceph: d1 sheep townread -> I'll yeet sheep today, no explanations
implosion: sheep just trends way down
fire: sheep from top town to light scumlean
Merlyn: from top townread to see's aureal post about me that I don't feel is a very accurate overall portrayal and goes assertively you know what she's right

like obviously there are some villagers / very strong townreads in this bunch but my instinct thinks this push feels gravelyyyy wrong and very on-the-whole wolf-driven, like 2 wolves present. maybe my instinct is wrong because it's inherently omgus-y and omgus is illogical, idk. I see in p-edit that egix has quashed counterwagons away onto me so I am slightly pocketed.

my main problem is that the one big justification I see that makes some people have hope they can actually lim me today: "sheep dropped off!" just starts to ignore stuff at this point like the past 24 hours. I have un-dropped-off while others have more-dropped-off. implosion is someone who townread me, then was skeptical, then read my new content thoroughly, found some of it villagery. fire townread me, then was skeptical, then read my new content thoroughly, found some of it villagery. people who are not engaging closely and then like ok I'll yeet sheep lol just feels like bad play to a point where it's somewhat wolfy

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reflecting on what I just posted

I for some reason described Merlyn as calling me a "top townread" which is definitely not correct just a townread

I included implosion and red both also just trending me down for "well that makes sense" to illustrate a general trend, but if im right that there's a wolf who's wolf for trying to fuel the momentum it's not in them, their progressions on me read more natural

I just think wolves would definitely try to take advantage of a remarkably empty push on me here, I would be a superb d2 lim for them, and I think that's a really solid pool of like 4 or 5, better than the enchant wagon (Idk if I'll even actually use it soon because I dont personally agree with the pool approach lol but I think this is a good accurate thought)

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@Merlyn:

to articulate better why I first gutted dunnstral town in response to the things u disliked, I think it was his self-meta moment where he quoted like "if anything dunnstral posts more / does more as mafia," and here he's doing like the bare minimum, so at face value I sorta buy this is town meta then lmao

I think in ISO, I sort of scum-lean dunn. I think like, not doing a lot / not keeping up isnt necessarily bad but dunn feels so empty with like a lack of any motivation to solve. like even with ceph there is no desire to be here but I can feel a nonzero wish to find mafia and I feel like dunn has no drive in the direction. I think especially if we look back later game and find the current gamestate was like a trainwreck shitshow then dunn would really closely fit the type of mafia play I would be looking for

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I would kill sheep > aureal, if that's the direction we're going in then I'll stop pushing fire because I think we should only have one more slot claim today at most

I agree with the first bit, but unless you now think that fire v skitter is tvt then I don't see why we shouldn't just stay the course.

ok I like this post a bit less now that the pocket wore off

I feel like the reason is fairly straightforward, he thinks skitter is towny and skitter lost fire v skitter

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I am just fairly confident on skitter I think

I started andante iso and I was like sometimes I can sorta see skitter's tunnel here! and then I realized she's dropped what she's doing with that slot and it isn't something she wants pushed postmortem

her reads were reallyyy rigid but at the same time they molded to fit public opinion

"Andante is wolf", "andante is wolf", "andante is wolf" *would not gain any steam, fairly unchangeable opinion despite multiple arguments against*. suddenly, btw Merlyn is town
"CSF is wolf", "CSF is wolf", "CSF is wolf" *absolutely no steam." right before death, randomly egix is town
"sheep is town", "sheep is town", "hmm maybe sheep is a wolf" *GAINS STEAM* "sheep is wolf", "sheep is wolf"

andante!slot was the stronger read.
the read on me is newer, relatively unable to be articulated or even vaguely explained, just "he joined my wagon slimy and he didn't have motivation"
the read on andante lasted a longggg time, was well-backed with multiple more-fine reasons such as her thoughts not being buyable, her priorities like sk-hunting not making sense, her townclaims, etc
her legacy: "please just kill/push sheep" ive taken andante/csf place

just too. easily shifted around to fit agenda

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ah, good, more long posts

hi im sorry

whats your feeling about the idea of limming skitter

I feel like u wolfread them but now seem reluctant about that wagon

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for some reason my eyes glaze over when i try to read aureal's posts :X. I don't think this is her fault but I haven't really been able to analyze them effectively

I think this is probably rather common and contributes to my declining willingness in general to expend effort making arguments. I cannot really think of any times off the top of my head when I had a read and was able to successfully push it, even when I felt strongly about it. I spend a lot of time writing up stuff only for it to be ignored/scoffed at/scumread. So I just don't really bother so much anymore, because it feels bad to effort with such poor results.

Like, I don't think I'm even really trying to make a case here, fire is right. I have no expectations of anyone being convinced by what I say. That ISO stuff is literally just my notes for myself and if someone else gets something else out of it, swell. Lots of it is stuff that I just wanted to make note of because it could be more helpful in the future after more flips. I did enough to figure out what direction I'd go, which is what people wanted to know and obviously something I should do anyway. It's day two, there's just not that much of a direction for me to focus in yet with no scum flip.

I do like sheep's big new post though. Sigh.

I wonder if we're going to get flavor in the yet to arrive vote count at the page top, and miss I because it got filled in later.

for what it's worth I have read ur posts fairly in-depth this game. but also generally I skim over like 80% of wall posts lol

I think they can be used well in combination with shorter posts

and as time goes on I personally got better at like getting people to look at them when I wanted them to and it gets a bit more effective

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“the people who would vote skitter here are the ones who have credibility in terms of currently actively evaluating, and that was something I was gonna talk about with why red>skitter bothers me so much. and it doesnt feel like his reads are so polarized between the two wagons that he can justify/overcome that disparity” I didn’t really understand what you were saying here

Both the first sentence and the second

What do you mean by the people who “have credit in terms of actually evaluating”?

And “it doesn’t feel like his reads are so polarised he can overcome the disparity”? What disparity?

I was a little offput by the popping in just to say "just kill fire now". just kinda inherently cuz of how different it was to my view + what ive discussed about how I think recent fire stuff is somewhat villagey so I want the push on him to acknowledge it more (ik you've since done this)

mainly, a lot of the things you say to try to convince people to just vote fire now bother me a lot

for example, ive already talked about you saying "it's so hard to get votes on fire but it was so easy for enchant." I feel like the problems with that statement are so obvious. enchant was easy because enchant outright refused to do stuff, n/a to fire. people find fire posting towny, maybe 1-2 people townread enchant.

the one im talking about there is "just look at who was on the 2 wagons"

Sounds like you're gonna *love* the wall I'm working on, Mena

If ur town can you please just vote fire and we can talk about skitter tomorrow

Look who else is on her wagon vs who is backing the fire wagon

maybe I just dont get it. but I was going to write a big post about how the people on the wagons made me especially not want the fire lim. the people who were willing to join a Fire wagon were entirely people who stopped playing the game around fire's posting (besides skitter and you), and all the people concluding hm I dont want fire I'd rather vote skitter are people who have felt like theyre continuing to authentically solve. I thought it made fire town. the people here opposing his lim didn't feel like scumpartners (there would be much more effective ways to defend fire, instead everyone felt pretty scattered). instead "I dont wanna lim fire" just felt like a natural conclusion from the past 48 hours or so. there was something DADV-y about the 2 wagons in fire's favor, like "most of the fire wagon has admitted theyre unable to support it very much further at all, and yet it still feels like fire might not successfully be saved over skitter, which should not be the case the way the two sides are playing."

so then the comment about the wagon compositions rubs me the wrong way. was the reason you made the comment because all the fire voters are villagery and all the skitter voters are wolfy? that didnt seem right, which is what the last comment you quoted is saying. idk maybe it was the explanation

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idk

in ISO I feel the tunnel more and I get why you're posting like this and I would no longer say that it's maybe scummy

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V/LA 15th to 17th

lol

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holy fuck merlyn didnt get a peek off

I always thought she confirmed that she DID do an action

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(merlyn slot *, not blaming merlyn)

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is today the day we're supposed to massclaim

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I personally do not think I feel good about a fire lim lol idk

like I get if it just has to be resolved the way this game is

but my own preference is to play like a normal day of mafia

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I guess a normal day then comes with massclaim and stuff

whereas like a fuckin steamroll or whatever avoids that ??

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idk

my balls scream that it's town

like 60-70%

but I also never in this game get over like the skitter hardpush combined with locktown mena saying this needs to happen

and maybe it's silly to pretend that that's a possibility

idk what youre supposed to do here

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I think namely I still think aisa is a wolf and then her approach to red right now feels very w-v lmaoo

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implosion being softly down to "Just Lim fire" is like 0.01% weird to me meh

like I get it but switched sides a bit easily

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aisa wouldnt it make sense for town!fire to be less confident after skitter flipping villager

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implosion being softly down to "Just Lim fire" is like 0.01% weird to me meh

like I get it but switched sides a bit easily

How do you think he “should have” reacted and what side do you think he switched from?

like maybe seem more reluctant or paranoid

idk

I dont think this is a great take of mine lol

just was thinking overnight wouldnt it work nicely for wolf if fire is villa to be like "welp now we have to lim the other one cuz we're supposed to"

I guess I should have waited for other people to check in first

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VOTE: aisa

just for funz and sciences and feels good and stuff

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Implosion we should both talk more about Aisa today in case one of us dies

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Or I would find it insanely helpful if you did during my vla if u guys wanna just shabam without massclaim

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going to sleep in a sec but +1 that I want massclaim today

fire could be wolf like I am whelmed by him but I think I am not happy to just consensus-pummel him so claims seem right today

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fire do you have any thoughts on associative within your pool? Who makes sense as partners and who doesn’t

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like if I have 4 that im 90% sure is a win, and I can find that A and B aren't wolves together, then im especially confident that the other two are just lock wolves

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for example

off the top of my head I had been thinking about how dunn/egix isnt teamed

I dont think aureal -> dunn can be on a team together either

I feel like im not w/w with aureal, her shade of me was goofers

I feel like these sorts of nuances should maybe throw into question a little more your 90% confident group of only 4

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ok wait meh I see that you talked about this lmfao

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ok good night

I can hopefully find time to evaluate tomorrow

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ok fair enough

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fire (figure he's vanilla lol) -> aureal/egix/dunn -> whoever's left imo

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lmao what I would love to trade myself for a wolf flip

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Honestly I don't really know if we need a massclaim right now or not, this gamestate just feels so agonizingly hard to do anything in and massclaim feels like a bandaid to fix that.

I think massclaim is a good try for the thing that makes it easier to do things here

idk lol I feel very like something is weird about my grasp of things idfk and any sort of information like a new clear could be a useful boost

meh

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I think dunn is the wolfiest slot and I think aureal/egix are the next wolfiest slots

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but I dont think dunn is with aureal egix lmao

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I see like dunn/fireisred/x or aureal/egix/x but absolutely no clue who the third would be

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god I still think it's aisa but I think I'd rather defer to implosion for this than trust myself lol

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that part about fire just feels blatantly untrue? I think he had a respectable sequence of posts that was much more effort than ive been able to muster

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ok theres less there than I thought for some reason

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im less sold by him than I'd hope I would be by his solving sequence

but when I think about how I'd expect him to re-evaluate the whole game today I think he did that for a bit; he went through a number of slots and talked about them reasonably, after your pushback

"only decided to talk about implosion" is just warped

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Aureal what’s your egix read

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Also if fire flipped wolf I would consider almost nothing he did today in terms of spew. I think he was so likely to die today that he’d definitely be careful with his approach and it’s all WIFOM, so I don’t agree a ton with ur point there eh

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ok I guess aisa is town

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Mmmm my brain is a dolphin doing all sorts of backflips rn.
What if it’s exactly Ceph + Dunn + fire? Someone please reassure me I’m not crazy and I’ve definitely got the game completely solved :3

I thought this at some point but 1 of the 2 teams dunn is proposing is egix/ceph/fire and I dont think he would tmi a 2/3 accurate team

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Mmmm my brain is a dolphin doing all sorts of backflips rn.
What if it’s exactly Ceph + Dunn + fire? Someone please reassure me I’m not crazy and I’ve definitely got the game completely solved :3

I thought this at some point but 1 of the 2 teams dunn is proposing is egix/ceph/fire and I dont think he would tmi a 2/3 accurate team

ur welcome

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I guess if we look at things from the perspective of "this wagon seems to have unnatural resistance" both fire and Dunn feel like they've been skating by with wagons that could very well form, yet they haven't quite managed to coalesce enough. Is anybody actually townreading Dunn? I feel like he's probably in everyone's PoE yet whenever people try to vote him it doesn't get far.

tbh I think this thought is valid, but out of curiosity what do you think about Dunn's suggestion that this is happening with egix

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whatever maybe I'll just vote fire here

I feel myself caving

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I very much feel dunn/fire right now but maybe that's just optimism speaking rather than good reason

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This is probably partly because the slot has been fairly quiet, and of course it'd be nice to be hearing a little more from Egix. I do sorta feel like if it were a scumslot though, there might be more talk about it in order to create distancing?

hm this makes sense to me

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Don’t rly get ur last part? I feel like there are a multitude of places to go today

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If anything I’m self conscious abt how unnatural moving to fire is rather than intuitively natural lol

Like I’ve been defending him fairly assertively for more than a day phase and then suddenly I finally accepted Aisa was town and was like ok I feel it this makes sense let’s do it

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Maybe I’d rather move to Dunn if aureal wants to try it lol

I’m just lazy

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Aureal I feel like u have copious scumreads and minimal townreads? Like dunn, ceph, fire, me ish

Does this concern u

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meh

VOTE: dunn

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egix96 can u give a list what ur overall reads look like rn

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the game is screaming to me rn that it's just dunn/fire or egix/aureal

and the third is probably just ceph?? but that is less confident and another week's problem

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So sheep. Honestly, something about the way in which sheep is indecisive right now is really offputting to me. I generally tend to think changing your mind is more often than not something town do more compared to scum. But that's not really exactly what sheep is doing, sheep had this feeling Aisa might be scum but then abandoned that feeling when, tbh, nothing really changed. Yeah Aisa townposted more but it's not like Aisa townposted in a way that she wasn't already doing. It kind of feels like if sheep is town who thinks Aisa is town then he should have figured that out a long time ago, or at least like, I'm not sure why he changed his mind now except that he's scum who just realizes she's never a viable push.

Another thing is these posts from the past couple pages.

whatever maybe I'll just vote fire here

I feel myself caving

I very much feel dunn/fire right now but maybe that's just optimism speaking rather than good reason

the game is screaming to me rn that it's just dunn/fire or egix/aureal

and the third is probably just ceph?? but that is less confident and another week's problem

These feel tonally jarring. I feel like sheep, as a townie, is probably pretty confident broadly. He certainly exuded that early on; I can link posts but early on he gave a lot of reads, analysis, and direction he wanted to go in. Now it's day 3 and he's saying maybe he'll vote fire, but actually maybe dunn, but actually it's dunn/fire or egix/aureal, all this after wanting to go after Aisa for a while and Idk. It just doesn't feel like he's looking at the game through the same pair of eyes he was on day 1. It feels like he should have more opinions on d3 than he had on d1, not fewer. It feels like he's scum who, on d1, had a lot of energy to put into this sort of thing, but that it naturally petered out on d2 and now he kind of doesn't know what he wants to do? I guess that sort of analysis can describe town in principle. I guess for whatever reason I just don't really buy his current set of opinions, how flexible they are, and how he came to them.

this is fair lol

I very much play village endgames like this for the record

like it's just mixing and matching in my brain based on vibes and sudden moments of revelation

I dont know if I'd be able to find an actual example of this because of recent hiatus

maybe on a later day phase I'll search

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holy shit 2005

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do you scumread me fireisredsir

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off of a reallyyy lazy meta skim of aureal I think I feel worse about her

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this is the wolfgame I read; my first thoughts were

-shit she's very capable of faking all the things ive liked
-she seems less in-depth, more aggro, lots of questions

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this is the villa game I read

this made me think she is more like her wolf meta here. she is just more like, mild and working with people and asking them for collaboration. I think as wolf she attacks fairly aggressively and asks people things with a see-able goal of "how will I make this person look wolf," (which I sorta think has been in this game) and as town she works more with others than I think ive seen here.

granted I skimmed very quickly

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oh what the fuck

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fuck man ok I was writing something but im going to bed

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the general scumreads are sort of pushing me to finally actually do something yah

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mod I think I moved to dunn btw

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ok

I agree egix feels unpartnered I think

a combination of Aureal's comments about "no one is really trying to look unpartnered with him" and fire about his motivation/agenda

he feels like he's doing his own contributory thing and not really trying to look villagery or trying to affect the game. no hard desire to affect the game is the most villagey part to me, I think wolf always has SOME greater level of that unless we're getting steamrolled by implosion or something (unlikely)