Large Normal 244 | Quotes From my Linear Algebra Professor or Random City Skylines or Random Songs: Town Wins!

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Hi I'm the new Flavia

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VOTE: ZZZX

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Town

Random Nurse, Klazam, Flavor Leaf, the worst
Naerys, Psyche, Shrek, Save the Dragons, shaddowez, BBmolla, Doctor Drew
iamveryhappy, camelCasedSnivy, davesaz, bob3141, TemporalLich, pisskop

biancospino

-- idk/null tier
furtiveglance, Hu Tao, JacksonVirgo, ZZZX, Aisa

Merlyn

Scum

I'm all caught up, AMA

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I think tw's trajectory on TL feels pretty well thought out in a way that's unlikely to come from scum

i think that's kind of where i'm at with tl. it's either authentic moonlogic or logic and i don't really care which, i don't see a way to assess the motivation of it and i'm not going to bend myself into a pretzel over it when i don't really think tl is scummy anyway

I initially liked this post

1465 hits on some of the issues I was also starting to see in TL's posting with how confident he was all of a sudden in scumreading FL

Why do you ask about him specifically?

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I ask him specifically cuz I can't remotely see how you can have him at a similar tier as FL

But you agree that Klazam and Random Nurse can be at the same tier?

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VOTE: ZZZX

About this vote:

Just ISO'd bbmolla, nothing really worth noting.

his push on FL seems fair

, I personally think FL seems more townish, but to be honest its a purely gut read, and I am more suspect of people hard town reading him already at that point.

When reading through, this jumped out. BBmolla's "push" on FL is really no more than a policy lim to eliminate the player that is hardest to read. Then when asked what made the push fair, ZZZX says it's fair because it could be a gutread, but it's unclear how that would make it "fair" or even a believable scumread. I also feel like he's hiding behind his BBmolla nullread a little bit to try and handwave away the sloppiness of this statement in 963

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I personally don't have anybody as high as FL. Those two I can sorta get it, but ducky I don't have a read on at all and wanna get more to read them one way or another which is why I asked ducky first.

I don't think solving for tw today is super important, so the read is more vibes

But I thought about why I townread his progression and 1465 specifically other than "vibes~" - I think TL is in a position where people who townlean him are not going to be defending him super hard, and he's also scumread by a few folks iirc. He is not particularly difficult to eliminate today

So 1465 is a fairly in-depth read that I think scum would not bother to make at this juncture. They can sit back and be more lazy. And tw closes out the post with "i just have zero interest in trying to take an accurate guess at TL's alignment anymore," which is pretty funny after clearly putting a lot of thought into the slot and also probably comes from town

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It started as just a feeling when you were questioning TL - I felt like TL was being weird town, and it seemed a bit like you were pushing him for his weird but not necessarily scummy stances.

Then you had a moment feel like you're pocketing FL by having the same read as him when you started townreading TL in 368. I call this out specifically because the progression didn't quite make sense to me. Did you start townreading TL between 350 and 368? Anyway, I feel like around that time (pg. 14-15), it was mostly FL interrogating TL to get a better read whereas I'm not sure how your questions there were designed to get a better read on him.

The "having the same read as FL" happened again in 1068. You almost feel like a chameleon where you change your stances when FL does

But a couple of other random posts pinged me:
749 felt strange to me. like up to that point, you pretty clearly townreading FL, so this post seemed performative

I also think posts like 1203 are how scum are likely to position around a TL lim. As in you don't want to be pushing a policy lim, but you aren't going to step in to stop it from happening either

holistically it ends up south of null for me

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Town

Random Nurse, Klazam, Flavor Leaf, the worst
Naerys, Psyche, Shrek, Save the Dragons, shaddowez, BBmolla, Doctor Drew
iamveryhappy, camelCasedSnivy, davesaz, bob3141, TemporalLich, pisskop

biancospino

-- idk/null tier
furtiveglance, Hu Tao, JacksonVirgo, ZZZX, Aisa

Merlyn

Scum

I'm all caught up, AMA

OK, what exactly puts me at the top of your list?

I think you're kind of obvious scum as scum no offense. This doesn't seem like your scum play so far

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don't exactly agree that tw's tl profile is much of a towntell. scum with decent intuitions about what makes someone look town (and tw probably has those) can fake the sort of diffidence on display there. and i honestly raised an eyebrow or two when

they seemed to imply that they frequently agree with things TL says

. can't even count how many times i've had to keep myself from quotereplying a TL post with something like "???"

That's probably fair

RE the bolded, are you referring to 1467 or something else?

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I think your catch up is more likely to come from scum in the sense that you only commented on things that happened 40+ pages ago (aside from some fluff posts), and merlyn was scummy

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Does it surprise you that I'm scum reading you?

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Hey I sound townie when town too

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I think ZZZX / Hu Tao wagons are preferable to IAVH / ZZZX

I played against town!IAVH as scum in schadd's baseball game, and they seemed like limbait. He was one of the few mislims our team managed to push through in an otherwise really strong town

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I think ZZZX / Hu Tao wagons are preferable to IAVH / ZZZX

I played against town!IAVH as scum in schadd's baseball game, and he seemed like limbait. He was one of the few mislims our team managed to push through in an otherwise really strong town

Fixing pronouns

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What makes you like Naerys & shaddowez? & do you have like, a specific reason to scumread furtive?

furtive felt wooden early and still feels like a background character when I expect him to have more of a presence

Naerys' pop ins feel pretty natural to me. She's not a big presence in the game, but I feel like she gives her reads when they are topical. I like how she went off her intuition (one scum on FL wagon) and developed a scumread on someone from that wagon, and the thought process tracks to me

I feel like does shaddowez was reassessing reads without people prompting him to & I liked some of his reads, though looking back at his ISO I admit I don't feel as confident in this read

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I usually agree with CSF more than I do with her current readlist. The only question I have is: why JacksonVirgo in the lowest tier?

1509

what are the other major reads you disagree with?

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I think ZZZX / Hu Tao wagons are preferable to IAVH / ZZZX

I think iamhappys memes are a shield to hide behind. I dont like it any more than I like the 'scum would push me because they know how I am' route.


Did IAVH pick scumreads off his wagon or just say the scum were out to get him?

Both? He scumread JacksonVirgo but also said scum were out to get him lol

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I think ZZZX / Hu Tao wagons are preferable to IAVH / ZZZX

I played against town!IAVH as scum in schadd's baseball game, and they seemed like limbait. He was one of the few mislims our team managed to push through in an otherwise really strong town

Right, we should never vote for IAVH in any game then based on this argument...

I don't think this was my argument at all. I'm just not really convinced by the points made against him because it doesn't seem like he can be read by how he reacts since he can react kind of weirdly

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I usually agree with CSF more than I do with her current readlist. The only question I have is: why JacksonVirgo in the lowest tier?

1509

what are the other major reads you disagree with?

Random Nurse hasn't been remotely towny.

All right, I don't think this is a read that I expect people to have unless they've seen RN across multiple games as both alignments

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Hu Tao, I think you've been playing up the newbie card a little bit as a reason to hold back. It reminds me of Blood over Utopia where you were in the background because the mechanics confused you

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I think ZZZX / Hu Tao wagons are preferable to IAVH / ZZZX

I played against town!IAVH as scum in schadd's baseball game, and they seemed like limbait. He was one of the few mislims our team managed to push through in an otherwise really strong town

Right, we should never vote for IAVH in any game then based on this argument...

I don't think this was my argument at all. I'm just not really convinced by the points made against him because it doesn't seem like he can be read by how he reacts since he can react kind of weirdly

You can see that it was all you gave as your argument, because it's right there in the quote. The logic looks like:

1) This user's wagon is not preferable
because
2) This user seems like limbait based on a previous game

Yeah that is kind of the gist of my argument. That wasn't to say that we should never vote IAVH at all, but that how to read him should be calibrated a bit differently

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WAIT THERE ARE TWO SCUM TEAMS IN THIS......OMG This game just became so much more interesting to me.

People have been making references to this game being multiball. I feel like the only way you forgot was if you've literally only read like 10 pages?

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No yellow m&ms allowed in Large Normal 244

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I still really dislike how Hu Tao went on the ZZZX wagon, so Hu Tao isn't towny imo

pedit: that's the explanation that makes sense to me

I was being generous when I said 10 pages

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I don't think the "slip" changes my opinion of them

If multiball makes the game more interesting to them, then they'll do more soon anyway

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UNVOTE:

Not sure who is scum

Why did you unvote here?

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Both? He scumread JacksonVirgo but also said scum were out to get him lol

IAVHs response to the wagon on him is wild. I dont see virgo as scum; but I have seen him reaching out to people he scumreads and trying to get a better bead on them. It's easy to just let people wallow in their own mess, but I think its much townier to be proactive about your reads

I do see JV as possible scum though

Though I think this also makes sense from a town perspective if you're townreading JV, then iavh just looks like he's doing whatever

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Furtive might be town from the last few pages, I think I might've been wrong there

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What did I say about yellow m&ms

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JV and iavh could be different scum

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I guess I wouldn't be opposed to iavh lim today. I'm not really townreading them enough to defend it anymore than I already have, and the wagon minus JV feels fine

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they should make it so multiball games are just 2 different contingents of one faction instead of 2 different factions

also interesting to see FL scumread the worst, i would say CSF/worst/leaf has 1 scum in it, or maybe possibly 2 scum of different factions

Based on?

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This is such an unusual game for me

Blood over utopia has done a number on some of y'all lol

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I'm a little bit apprehensive about pushing CSF because of their read on me, I feel I'm a little biased against them but they seem to be from the perspective to keep people in the PoE in the way they're speaking than from scum-reading individually.

I dunno what this means. Can you rephrase?

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JV and iavh could be different scum

Endless Wifom atp tho.

Why come?

I've already elaborated on JV. As for IAVH, the people pushing there mostly feel pure. I did kind of like how he omgus'd JV on my read up (I was aware this game was multiball and knew that's not town indicative by itself, but still the gut feels what it wants). but brain is telling me that's not worth much and maybe he just omgus'd another scum. Who knows

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yeah that's basically how I feel

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This is such an unusual game for me

Blood over utopia has done a number on some of y'all lol

For some reason, I think you could be scum. It's a gut feeling, your posts don't seem genuine for some reason. But I'm not sure why

VOTE: CatScratchFever

Which posts don't seem genuine? The one that was quoted here?

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I'm obviously going to be biased but I dislike that vote on me

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But the reason I don't think they're wolf is that they haven't at all changed their demeanour at all, unless I'm overlooking that but I would figure being a focused kill would do at least

something

but I don't see anything.

What did you mean when you said "keep people in the PoE in the way they're speaking than from scum-reading individually."?

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yeah please do. I think my PoE admittedly remains quite large with maybe 10+ people I'm explicitly not townreading at this stage, but that doesn't really worry me having replaced ~24 hours into Day 1 in a large. I'm specifically wondering what you see as not a real scumread

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I'm obviously going to be biased but I dislike that vote on me

Hu Tao is scumreading me for a gutread, but felt the need to qualify it by saying they can't explain it 3 times

That reads unnatural to me because gut reads are typically something that can't be explained anyway, so why feel the need to say that 3 times?

This is such an unusual game for me

Blood over utopia has done a number on some of y'all lol

For some reason

, I think you could be scum. It's a gut feeling, your posts don't seem genuine

for some reason

. But

I'm not sure why

VOTE: CatScratchFever

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I think you way overestimated how confident I am in JV scum because of the post where i explained my scumread on them

Even if I am suspicious of them, I doubt I am going to push them day 1 unless I am very confident as they are playing in a way that could get them night killed anyway

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Zzz typed up a phone post then lost it

I don't think people interrogate their scumreads the same way. However I do think I wouldn't have asked the questions in 1495 or 1501 if JV weren't a scumread

For 1509, the first half of that is stuff that I think JV is doing if they are scum. I can see world's where that's not the case & JV truly mindmelded with flavor a lot, partly because there are a lot of people floating by this game & I wouldn't be super surprised if they flipped scum and the more active folks are town.

I caught up on the game to get baseline reads but forming more accurate reads usually involves seeing people post in real time

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VOTE: Hu Tao

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Pick a wagon that speaks to your soul

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Hu tao is so scummy lmao

Their scumread on me seems like starting from the conclusion and making things up after the fact

[Cat Scratch Fever]

This is such an unusual game for me

Blood over utopia has done a number on some of y'all lol

For some reason, I think you could be scum. It's a gut feeling, your posts don't seem genuine for some reason. But I'm not sure why

VOTE: CatScratchFever

Which posts don't seem genuine? The one that was quoted here?

Just a few

Doesn't even bother quoting which ones

Really now

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Hu tao is so scummy lmao

Their scumread on me seems like starting from the conclusion and making things up after the fact

They did vote you first...then you omgussed.

Bruh I scumread Hu tao like when I replaced in

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do you still scumread hu tao after bob's joke post?

Idk what you're talking about yet, just got a ping that Hu tao responded to me

I'm just posting from work, will look later

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I always find in extra large games the goal is not to kill town but chain execute teh town vigs, that 53 player large still gives me shudders lol

holy scumslip

VOTE: bob3141

This?

I think he was referencing another game and not a scum slip

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is it common for people to believe that these "last will and testament" posts are ever influential after the player making them dies

Well, whether people follow it or not, I like to believe I did my due diligence, such as that if the game is lost because everyone sheeped those who I said are mafia, I can have that bit of self satisfaction that I

told you so

What do you think of hu tao

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Hu tao is so scummy lmao

Their scumread on me seems like starting from the conclusion and making things up after the fact

Why can't I just be misguided town? The fact that you immediately think I'm scum is what's worse for you.

The reason why is in the second line of my post...

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I don't really think self voting is that ai for him:

Define 'basically save'.

If it is 'would get me town read for multiple days' then the answer is 'yes, I would do it'.
If the answer is 'would get me to the next day phase and an uncertain future' than I would try to save myself in other ways.

Basically its a day one wagon and people are scum reading you for shitty reasons

so yea the former if done prob.

I know it saved me twice (one of them was as scum thou, But I do it as scum if I know there are not many players than can read throu me there)

but I dont do it often and its like yea it wont help most of the time

He definitely does self vote as town too, but I found games where he does it as scum

Just read him based on other things

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VOTE: zzzx

E-2 now, let's get a flip

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Psyche, who else is on your list of scumspects besides bbmolla?

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VOTE: iavh

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VOTE: CSF

if there's no traction on IAVH or the 'scumslipped team' this seems fine enough for pressure

What do you mean vote for pressure

I've given lots of reads, do you have thoughts on any of them

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It's a lynch we all can agree on, and if we run up 2 wagons we can force people to take sides.

Cat's reads just seem weird. I'd like to see them get in somebody's face

Have you seen my posts on hu tao

Are they disappearing into the nether bc they won't get traction for some reason

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VOTE: ZZZX

About this vote:

Just ISO'd bbmolla, nothing really worth noting.

his push on FL seems fair

, I personally think FL seems more townish, but to be honest its a purely gut read, and I am more suspect of people hard town reading him already at that point.

When reading through, this jumped out. BBmolla's "push" on FL is really no more than a policy lim to eliminate the player that is hardest to read. Then when asked what made the push fair, ZZZX says it's fair because it could be a gutread, but it's unclear how that would make it "fair" or even a believable scumread. I also feel like he's hiding behind his BBmolla nullread a little bit to try and handwave away the sloppiness of this statement in 963

I was curious about the start of the wagon, and it is also about the bbmola's null read?

Did I miss something, or have I become inept at mafia in the last 4 years not playing that I do not see what the fuck those people are getting at? Lol

It is a bit ridiculous innit

Bbmollas push on FL was a kind of policy push to elim the person that is most difficult to read

So when you said that push was fair, it seemed like making things up unless you really think that's fair which I kind of still doubt

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This I am curious about, between Cat's first post and this post, I have been on VLA, with no posts in between, in fact if I am not mistake, I went on VLA before their first post in the game, and I opened the context of that post and I didnt see anything, so I am happy to hear Cat's thoughts on this?

I voted you because out of my initial scum leans, you already had a wagon on you

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Iavh is a short read. He ate'd a bit as he was getting voted and then faded back into the background when the wagon died off

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Spoiler:

quote="Cat Scratch Fever" post_id=13910539 time=1694632082 user_id=33903]
Hu Tao, I think you've been playing up the newbie card a little bit as a reason to hold back. It reminds me of Blood over Utopia where you were in the background because the mechanics confused you
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I'm obviously going to be biased but I dislike that vote on me

Hu Tao is scumreading me for a gutread, but felt the need to qualify it by saying they can't explain it 3 times

That reads unnatural to me because gut reads are typically something that can't be explained anyway, so why feel the need to say that 3 times?

This is such an unusual game for me

Blood over utopia has done a number on some of y'all lol

For some reason

, I think you could be scum. It's a gut feeling, your posts don't seem genuine

for some reason

. But

I'm not sure why

VOTE: CatScratchFever

Hu tao is so scummy lmao

Their scumread on me seems like starting from the conclusion and making things up after the fact

This is such an unusual game for me

Blood over utopia has done a number on some of y'all lol

For some reason, I think you could be scum. It's a gut feeling, your posts don't seem genuine for some reason. But I'm not sure why

VOTE: CatScratchFever

Which posts don't seem genuine? The one that was quoted here?

Just a few

Doesn't even bother quoting which ones

Really now

Hu tao is so scummy lmao

Their scumread on me seems like starting from the conclusion and making things up after the fact

Why can't I just be misguided town? The fact that you immediately think I'm scum is what's worse for you.

The reason why is in the second line of my post...

my posts on Hu tao for easy reading

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I think umlaut wrote a browser extension to warn against using the banned word, maybe you can ask him viewtopic.php?t=90872

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Iavh is a short read. He ate'd a bit as he was getting voted and then faded back into the background when the wagon died off

Oh wow, yeah....that's definitely a policy lim at best. Then again, with how active some players have been others are getting ignored and scum could coast. We're more likely to hit town than scum today anyway so I'd be willing to move there just to get to D2, but there are definitely places I'd rather be.

I think showing no interest in the game unless you're getting run up is kind of scummy

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No, town don't start from the conclusion first. They analyze the evidence before drawing conclusions.

When asked for specific posts that they scum read, hu tao just responded with "some of them." It was an inscrutable response, not a response that showed willingness to engage with me or a willingness to show their work.

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Town

Random Nurse, Klazam, Flavor Leaf, the worst
Naerys, Psyche, Shrek, Save the Dragons, shaddowez, BBmolla, Doctor Drew
iamveryhappy, camelCasedSnivy, davesaz, bob3141, TemporalLich, pisskop

biancospino

-- idk/null tier
furtiveglance, Hu Tao, JacksonVirgo, ZZZX, Aisa

Merlyn

Scum

I'm all caught up, AMA

like aside from the obvious 'hey look i have different reads' in a JV SR and the guy who's SRing you this is kinda nothing

??? This read list was made before Hu tao scumread me

I don't know if anyone was scumreading the aisa slot, not sure about furtive

People think I'm also suss for having the worst and random nurse so high lol

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I don't remember why you scum read him tbh

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its not a confident scumread and the only reason i voted him was because he wasn't doing anything (unaware of a vacation)

i STILL don't see why he's town however

I'm on phone now and can't link but near beginning of my iso

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So is that all that has you scum read Hu Tao. Seems alittle ligth as i cant see you getting more than null read from such reads. As nothing you have pushed excludes hu tao from being town and simply scum reading you for those reasons

2134 is disingenuous because i have been considering them as possibly town. That's why I asked them to elaborate and give me the posts that pinged them in 1796. When they just stonewalled me in response, I don't think that was a towny response.

Now look at Hu Tao and ask yourself if you think this is a genuine scumread:

This is such an unusual game for me

Blood over utopia has done a number on some of y'all lol

For some reason, I think you could be scum. It's a gut feeling, your posts don't seem genuine for some reason. But I'm not sure why

VOTE: CatScratchFever

This is such an unusual game for me

Blood over utopia has done a number on some of y'all lol

For some reason, I think you could be scum. It's a gut feeling, your posts don't seem genuine for some reason. But I'm not sure why

VOTE: CatScratchFever

Which posts don't seem genuine? The one that was quoted here?

Just a few

Do these posts look like someone who is open to re-evaluation or is genuinely curious about alignment?

To be clear, this is the basis for their scumread, but they also feel strongly enough about it to spend several posts canvassing for more votes on me (these are all before 2134):

Spoiler:

I'm probably just going to join on CSF if IAVH goes away and BBmolla gets bigger.

The more the merrier

Yes vote cat

More CSF votes. Ignore the noise

I find the timing of Hu Tao's vote on me in 1787 to be a bit suspect. Several people said they were scumleaning me (furtive, Flavor, JV, maybe others I can't really remember), so they knew they'd have some support for a lim on me regardless of how flimsy their reasons for it are.

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Which is flawed assessment and just looks like shade. If we ignor the fact that happy has played this way as town before what makes you think in this case such activity would point towards them being scum. As by your own admission they are making no attempt to push a scum agenda

he's not literally not doing anything. iavh voted some people when he himself was getting pushed, and is no longer doing anything about them now that pressure is no longer on him. The scum agenda is to not get limmed...

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Or like, does he really scumread the people he's voting for if he's not trying to get them eliminated? Does that betray a town mindset?

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But I like scanned roght for my name obviously

Spoiler:

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The little bell thing that notifies you when someone quotes your post (like PM notifications but for thread posts)

You can turn it off

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snivy do you have thoughts on iavh or zzzx?

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I thought BBM just hated day 1. I feel like some people are just like that and it's not very AI. In my mind, he has to start scumhunting tomorrow and can't pursue the same tactics as today

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Someone investigate Hu Tao

Please don't

Please do

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There’s a joke that limming scum day 1 decreases town win rates. I’ve always wondered how true it was

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Still no flip?

Spoiler:

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Whoa did I summon T3

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I think klazam townreading hu Tao for not knowing this is multiball was pretty awkward justification to stop voting them

VOTE: hu tao

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I think Psyche should be given another chance to confirm his role

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I normally probably wouldn't let a no-shot vig claim live with a guilty on them, but I feel pretty good about Hu Tao being scum here, so it's not like we won't be limming scum today. We can afford to wait another day imo

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lotta fakeclaims in bbm's iso that i don't think we were intended to take as fakeclaims

here's me breadcrumbing the complex part of my role btw. so sad no one wanted to play the minigame

how does thsi crumb complex?

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I checked JV's ISO and they were really sussing Psyche yesterday. I believe that JV would invest there.

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lotta fakeclaims in bbm's iso that i don't think we were intended to take as fakeclaims

here's me breadcrumbing the complex part of my role btw. so sad no one wanted to play the minigame

how does thsi crumb complex?

Yet you still want me over confirmed scum you have to be scum

Psyche isn't confirmed scum, but you acting like he is looks really bad!

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UNOFFICIAL VC:

Hu Tao (9): Cat Scratch Fever, camelCasedSnivy, Aisa, Save the Dragons, BBmolla, pisskop, the worst, Flavor Leaf, Hu Tao
the worst (2): shaddowez, Shrek
Psyche (1): TemporalLich
BBMolla (1): Psyche
camelCasedSnivy (1): bob3141

Not voting (6): davesaz, Naerys, furtiveglance, ZZZX, JacksonVirgo, Random Nurse

Day 2 will end in 9 days, 9 hours, 36 minutes

With 20 alive it takes 11 to eliminate and 10 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTE: This VC is correct.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Just vote and say self pres, Psyche

[Cat Scratch Fever]

outsourcing - what are the odds of drew having blocked JV

I think Drew was also townreading JV per 1411 and never talked about them after. Unlikely to have roleblocked them imo

[Cat Scratch Fever]

ok then im not gonna hammer just because a lot of people think there's scumminess to them though. again i'd really like to see someone else explain their read.

do you think they were approaching your claim from a town perspective? You claimed one of the few roles that can be confirmed town. You don't even have to successfully shoot someone if we have a role cop

I have some posts from yesterday about why I thought Hu Tao was scummily pushing me, and Klazam started townreading them because of the multiball "slip", which is a reach-y reason to townread someone for

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm too stupid to win the prize apparently lol

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Sorry I need to prodge. I'm a bit busy the next couple of days trying to get promoted at work. Wish me luck

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Damn Hu Tao was town?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

yeah or there were overlaps in the kills

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Fairly likely.... Hu Tao could have been an attempt at a crosskill, and FL eats a lot of NKs

Successful protective is another likely explanation

Someone mentioned scum roleblocker, but I think that is unlikely. I would expect a Scum RB to be on JV

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Did I miss a kill one sec

JV (1-shot Vig) claims to have targeted Hu Tao.

Flavor was the other successful NK target.

There should have been one NK from the other rival Scumteam, so it could've been blocked, or they targeted on of the same targets.

RE the bolded - why didn't it occur to you here that you could've been shot at last night?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Bob raised good points about RN, I still think RN is town

VOTE: STD

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Why does the RN - JV interaction read as SvT to you

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm spending less time on MS, simple as that.
If you don't want me to play then you know what to do.

I also don't believe a town full BP. It would be great, but I don't think it's plausible from a balance perspective. Too high a probability to get to a 1v1v1 that ends in no decision.

I don't think judging by claims is a reliable way to determine alignment, much like how complex vig was deemed as a scummy claim but Psyche flipped town anyway

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

This slot really needs pushing, and I'm also fine with a CSF lim today

How does VCA implicate me?

Spoiler:

Day 3 lead rist, formed by ISO skims:

[Town]

JacksonVirgo - The new flavor leaf, the interaction with Random Nurse is very SvT so JV is currently a strong townread unles RN flips scum
Aisa - Actually very towny from the ISO skim for this lead rist
camelCasedSnivy - my gut says snivy's votes say snivy is town
furtiveglance - seemingly cleared by NKA?
pisskop - I think pisskop is town
BBmolla - Maybe town I guess, confirmed vanilla
Save The Dragons - towny vibes, not much else
ZZZX - Lurker, so can't sort
Naerys - Nullread right now
shaddowez - very slight scum read right now
Shrek - Very good at blending in in a scummy way
the worst - can't really place in this lead rist through an ISO skim, but I think the worst is slightly scummy based on the Klazam flip
bob3141 - Safe PoE
davesaz - Safe PoE
Cat Scratch Fever - Implicated by VCA seemingly
Random Nurse - Implicated by NKA, very scummy, somehow genuine emotion

[Scum]

My PoE would be this: the worst, bob3141, davesaz, Cat Scratch Fever, Random Nurse

[/spoiler=]

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Cat Scratch Fever why did you town read klazam day one as i see you placed them in your top town tier but cant really see much about them in iso. ANd those two mentions were all in relation to Hu tao

When I was replacing into the game, I thought his catch up starting around 809 was towny. It might've been a bit of a mindmeld because Klazam also scumread ZZZX and Hu Tao. I remember having those reads too when I rep'd in

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

This slot really needs pushing, and I'm also fine with a CSF lim today

How does VCA implicate me?

Spoiler:

Day 3 lead rist, formed by ISO skims:

[Town]

JacksonVirgo - The new flavor leaf, the interaction with Random Nurse is very SvT so JV is currently a strong townread unles RN flips scum
Aisa - Actually very towny from the ISO skim for this lead rist
camelCasedSnivy - my gut says snivy's votes say snivy is town
furtiveglance - seemingly cleared by NKA?
pisskop - I think pisskop is town
BBmolla - Maybe town I guess, confirmed vanilla
Save The Dragons - towny vibes, not much else
ZZZX - Lurker, so can't sort
Naerys - Nullread right now
shaddowez - very slight scum read right now
Shrek - Very good at blending in in a scummy way
the worst - can't really place in this lead rist through an ISO skim, but I think the worst is slightly scummy based on the Klazam flip
bob3141 - Safe PoE
davesaz - Safe PoE
Cat Scratch Fever - Implicated by VCA seemingly
Random Nurse - Implicated by NKA, very scummy, somehow genuine emotion

[Scum]

My PoE would be this: the worst, bob3141, davesaz, Cat Scratch Fever, Random Nurse

[/spoiler=]

your votes feel like they are scum motivated

that's just my thoughts, you've only really voted inactive players and hu tao (and Save The Dragons this day phase)

I generally think inactivity is a bit suss and kinda even more so in multiball when scum are more likely to be in the background

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Cat Scratch Fever why did you town read klazam day one as i see you placed them in your top town tier but cant really see much about them in iso. ANd those two mentions were all in relation to Hu tao

CSF is to be considerd too. I feel like i am going in circles, tbh.

I feel like Klazam was opportunistically pushing me day 1 in a way that doesn't make us partnered. Especially after the ZZZX claim, it looks like Klazam may have just wanted to either push another claim out of someone (making him probably unpartnered with ZZZX) or divert from his buddy getting voted out (less likely than the first option)

I am biased of course

[Cat Scratch Fever]

CSF did you get promoted

I submitted my app at the 11th hour last Friday! I get questioned over my application this week, but I don't find out the result for another month

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Save the dragon wagon is just yesterdays hu tao wagon all over again.

Why?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I like Shadow's posts

I think Dave is also a good vote. His arguments for scumreading people have mostly been based on mech so far (Not believing a Complex Vig can be town. Not believing an ungated Bulletproof claim can be town.) It doesn't feel like there's been much read development

[Cat Scratch Fever]

UNVOTE: kind of a strange claim to come from scum

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Shrek's pop in was kind of scummy lol

Enchant is probably town

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I don't think you should eliminate someone simply because they claimed a flipped town role. Normals nowadays deliberately try to thwart people's expectations on setup spec. A micro just ended that had two Millers - not a normal but I can probably find other examples of that later. I just wonder why scum would claim roleblocker in this scenario?

I want to hear what the worst thinks

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Sorry, work is taking more attention than normal (I work for the USG and have a pending government shutdown).

UNVOTE: kind of a strange claim to come from scum

But not from town?

Assuming that RN's BP claim is true (regardless of alignment) StD's claim could also be covering in case there's a tracker.

If he's town that's just his role

Though rn claimed bp day 1 right? std why did you rb a claimed bp?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Save The Dragons claimed to have roleblocked you on Night 1

AND?

if Save The Dragons flips town for some reason, you are scum

that being said I'd think you are scum regardless, but a Save The Dragons town flip means you are scum based on mech

How?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Like why not fake claim anything else

why did you RB RN N1 again?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

STD claimed RB'er (N1 Random Nurse, N2 Hu Tao)

JV claimed vig shot on Hu Tao so we're technically missing a kill

and we're trying to figure out if STD is scum and should be limmed

or if JV is scum who faked their loyal FV result and should be limmed

or if they're both town

or if one is/both are scum but we should let them live for today in case they self resolve

yeah

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Hmm ok thinking a bit about Save The Dragons's claim and seeing other people's posts it's more complicated than I thought:

- I don't mind that he claimed the exact same power role as a flipped player, sorry. There have been recent games with multiples of the same Town PR, so I don't think that's necessarily scum indicative.
- I don't think the relevant question is "how common is it to have 2 Town Roleblockers compared to 1 scum Roleblocker?", so much as "how common is it for a Town Roleblocker to claim RB here, vs for scum to claim RB here?". This is an unusual claim from either town or scum.
- I guess there is a tiny possibility STD got inspired to claim RB because either he is RB or one of his teammates is. Maybe he's worried someone will Rolecop him or whatever. Idk, I don't think this would be at the forefront of my mind as scum but everyone's different.
- I think that

if there's some townie who knows what happened to JV's fruit

, they should come forward at this point. And I'm kinda interpreting the fact no one's come forward so far as evidence that there's no such roleblocking townie currently alive in the game.

- I think shaddowez has a point here. The possibilities seem to be:

--- Drew roleblocked JV

I think there was a crumb that suggested drew rb'd either Psyche or Flavor

--- JV is scum
--- STD is scum

--- JV is town. STD is town. There are 2 town roleblockers AND some other townie who knows what happened to JV's fruit and they haven't said anything yet.

the right time to claim this would've been like 50 pages ago

--- JV is town. STD is town. AND at least one scumteam has a roleblocking role, which targeted JV on night 1.

Would scum RB JV N1 but not RB them N2? ...it doesn't feel very likely. It could be possible if scum were odd-night RB'er or 1-shot RB'er but that setup design feels very inelegant considering we have a flipped ungated RB and another claimed ungated RB'er.

The other option is that one scum faction RB'd JV and killed Hu Tao, so JV never got their vig shot off. This seems somewhat unlikely as well as Hu Tao was going to be a strong elimination contender coming into today.

this is probably not helpful lol

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm really curious what JV thinks of STD's claim

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Also why are you assuming it was a directed rb that blocked my N1 action and not a rolestopper/alien?

Alien is also possible, interchangeable with RB'er

Rolestopper feels unlikely. Why would someone rolestop Psyche

[Cat Scratch Fever]

define 'weirdly'

[Cat Scratch Fever]

define 'weirdly'

I'd like TL to do this but like, as someone who has just not been watching the thread at all I'm more interested in how everyone else defines it

It feels like the game is mostly down to there's scum in the PR claims (RN/STD/JV) and a couple of people who are unsure and not confident in the mech (hi)

I don't think RN is scum lol

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I think RN claimed BP day 1 too

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I think RN doesn't like playing scum very much and it shows in his scumgames where his engagement kind of tapers off as the game goes on. Instead his engagement here has ramped up as the game has dwindled

[Cat Scratch Fever]

CSF's recent posts have been towny but I don't want to townread CSF because then I'd have to vote the unresolable PR claims

oh my god

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: dave

I think if just going purely by play alone, I'm here. His scumhunting has felt really surface level all game

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Who said I had a gunsmith check?

oh I thought one of your joat roles was gunsmith for some reason

I spoke about one because I was countering someones argument against me. As scum!me would claim a JOAT with a gunsmith guilty if I wanted Psyche out and not make my own slot look bad. But nope, scum!me definitely would make me risk looking horrid and go with a loyal FV instead.

I honestly fnd it crazy anybody expects me to be wolf here but I am of course biased

But Psyche claimed Complex Vig. GS guilty wouldn't have yeeted him

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Too many vanity wagons

If you oppose STD wagon, join the dave wagon. Or make the case for your wagon

[Cat Scratch Fever]

This game could use more memes

[Cat Scratch Fever]

"intentionally stall out the wagon" why is this scummy if I don't think std is flipping scum

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Std seemed kinda lurky this game and I think they're generally lurkier as scum. That's why I voted

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I changed my mind after std claimed and he said he was busier before for irl reasons. He's been more active recently

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm not sure what town motivation there is to intentionally stall out the Save The Dragons wagon by moving a vote from that wagon to the davesaz counterwagon

Noting that CSF's vote fits this profile, and their vote onto STD doesn't seem to have any reason either. In fact, I'm generally not seeing any drive behind CSF's play, it seems fairly unguided and random. That's from a quick skim so if I'm wrong please provide references.

I kinda doubt that STD flips scum after revisiting the timing of d1 (implied in my earlier posts btw), but this is good info anyway.

Do you agree with the premise behind TL's post in 5046 that there isn't any town motivation in jumping from one wagon to another?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I suppose after the fact explanations are better than nothing.

Are you just reading ISOs? The reason why I stopped voting STD should be pretty clear and not after the fact. The reason why I voted in the first place maybe less clear but can still be gleaned from reading surrounding context

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I don't think there is a town motivation behind jumping to me, but my thoughts are colored by knowing I'm town.

Okay, why should we townread you?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

You've started to make some effort at solving but the reasoning doesn't really track with me

Why do you think STD could be town from roleblocking RN N1?

Starting to townread TL for 5050 being novel is strange when he's been spitting out takes from left field the whole game

I'm not sure what town motivation there is to intentionally stall out the Save The Dragons wagon by moving a vote from that wagon to the davesaz counterwagon

Noting that CSF's vote fits this profile, and their vote onto STD doesn't seem to have any reason either. In fact, I'm generally not seeing any drive behind CSF's play, it seems fairly unguided and random. That's from a quick skim so if I'm wrong please provide references.

I kinda doubt that STD flips scum after revisiting the timing of d1 (implied in my earlier posts btw), but this is good info anyway.

People are "intentionally stalling out" the Save the Dragons wagon because they don't think he's flipping scum. The reasoning behind TL's post doesn't make sense to me, but he's been posting has been like this for like the whole game so I'm willing to chalk it up to us not being able to see eye to eye. but your posting feels more measured and logical, so for you to piggyback off this post feels bad to me

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Thanks for replacing in gob

Okay I have changed my mind.

Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst,

I think we lynch in between these people today.

Explain how you got here from 5202?

Spoiler:

There are mafia on Psyche's wagon again, as they were town and I doubt all maf are on hu or the worst. Hu Tao's slot also needs to be checked like ZZZX.

there are a lot of replacements but it looks like Save The Dragons, Naerys, ZZZX, TemporalLich, furtiveglance, davesaz, camel are all the people who were on both wagons.

The townies among you must know that you've been entirely misled this entire game (two townies were lynched Day 1 and 2 and nobody is checking the C-wagons that had actual potential). Among the names I listed there are probably 2-3 mafia members from either team.

It seems like you think people on Hu Tao wagon yesterday were scummier than the Psyche wagon, why?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

What did dave do to change your read there?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Snivy feels the same from other town games I've seen him in. Is there more to this besides "he was on both Hu Tao and STD wagons"?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Cat Scratch Fever (1): Shrek
Random Nurse (1): davesaz
camelCasedSnivy (1): bob3141

All of these are starting to bother me more and more, since there's been no push to convince anyone else that the people they're voting are scum (Dave had a slight push against RN early on), but are either not doing anything or are just trying to convince us why they're

NOT

voting CSF or StD.

are still no takers for snivy, wagonomics says shoot there or atleast soemone that jumped on both hu wagon last day and dragon here

I'm not against a Snivy wagon. Hell, let's see what happens.

VOTE: Snivy

Explain this progression? The only person who expressed support for CCS wagon between these 2 posts was std (who you were voting) and bob, who you just shaded for not scumcasing snivy and still hadn't really scumcased snivy unless you count 5148 as a case

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'd be interested in what you thought of 5129, CSF

His TL read doesn't really move the needle, because I can't verify what he has or hasn't noticed in this game so far

I think the second line about wagon redirection is fine. Dave's comment in 5060 initially looked like strange shading to me, but I can believe that it's NAI for dave to comment on even though he doesn't think STD is scum

I think his STD townread makes sense, but dave was shading STD after the claim too.

Spoiler:

TL has b3en sheeping the whole game. At the first sight of someone disliking an idea it gets retracted immediately. This is the first one that

I have noticed

that seems original

to me

.

The premise behind the wagon redirection is

if a scum flip then...

. It's meaningless if STD is town. I think it is still worthwhile to comment on that even though my guess is STD town.

STD saying rb target on RN is town indicative (if true claim) because scum might fake claim BP in a MB game. Scum has no good reason to claim RB until a tpr complains, and 5hen as an oops claim.

Wow writing this on tablet is painful.

Feel free to ask stuff. Unlike many in this game I won't mind. Though it's bedtime so be prepared to wait a bit.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I kinda doubt that STD flips scum after revisiting the timing of d1 (implied in my earlier posts btw), but this is good info anyway.

What did you mean by "the timing of d1"?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Thanks for replacing in gob

Okay I have changed my mind.

Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst,

I think we lynch in between these people today.

Explain how you got here from 5202?

Spoiler:

There are mafia on Psyche's wagon again, as they were town and I doubt all maf are on hu or the worst. Hu Tao's slot also needs to be checked like ZZZX.

there are a lot of replacements but it looks like Save The Dragons, Naerys, ZZZX, TemporalLich, furtiveglance, davesaz, camel are all the people who were on both wagons.

The townies among you must know that you've been entirely misled this entire game (two townies were lynched Day 1 and 2 and nobody is checking the C-wagons that had actual potential). Among the names I listed there are probably 2-3 mafia members from either team.

It seems like you think people on Hu Tao wagon yesterday were scummier than the Psyche wagon, why?

I think both wagons had wolves, but the second one of Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst seems like it has at least 1 maybe 2 wolves so its a safer bet as PoE.

By safer you just mean smaller?

I think others were on Hu Tao and moved off to join psyche so the PoE of people who were on Hu Tao is actually larger than what it might seem just going off the VCs

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Yes I did misread it. I thought you were saying I was scum for diverting from a town!save the dragons

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'd be interested in what you thought of 5129, CSF

His TL read doesn't really move the needle, because I can't verify what he has or hasn't noticed in this game so far

I think the second line about wagon redirection is fine. Dave's comment in 5060 initially looked like strange shading to me, but I can believe that it's NAI for dave to comment on even though he doesn't think STD is scum

I think his STD townread makes sense, but dave was shading STD after the claim too.

Spoiler:

TL has b3en sheeping the whole game. At the first sight of someone disliking an idea it gets retracted immediately. This is the first one that

I have noticed

that seems original

to me

.

The premise behind the wagon redirection is

if a scum flip then...

. It's meaningless if STD is town. I think it is still worthwhile to comment on that even though my guess is STD town.

STD saying rb target on RN is town indicative (if true claim) because scum might fake claim BP in a MB game. Scum has no good reason to claim RB until a tpr complains, and 5hen as an oops claim.

Wow writing this on tablet is painful.

Feel free to ask stuff. Unlike many in this game I won't mind. Though it's bedtime so be prepared to wait a bit.

What specifically in the spoilered post do you think is "shade"?

BTW if you didn't get this before, IMO scum say that people are shading. Town don't do that.

no, I only spoilered 5129 because I was talking about it

STD claimed in 4409 and gave night actions in 4410, you were still scumreading STD in 4547 (page 179 is after STD claimed), 4861

I see that after this, you revisited D1 and reconsidered STD for reasons below:

I kinda doubt that STD flips scum after revisiting the timing of d1 (implied in my earlier posts btw), but this is good info anyway.

What did you mean by "the timing of d1"?

STD started scumreading RN after the BP claim. Earlier I thought it was before.

does it matter that the BP claim didn't seem to factor into his scumread per 4978?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

He's already voting ccs

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I think there was scum in the people who wanted both JV and std flipped yesterday

Let's start here

VOTE: enchant

[Cat Scratch Fever]

there was scum on the dragon wagon imo

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Both factions shot off wagon

Scum shoot off wagon bc they're already on the wagon and aren't going to shoot themselves, and they don't want to narrow the PoE of people on the wagon...

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Aisa was on the wagon? I forgot she was

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Oh you're right she was. Aisa was pretty vocal about std being a compromise elimination though, she wasn't one of the people who voteparked there

[Cat Scratch Fever]

The Dave wagon didn't go anywhere either. What does that imply to you?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Oh you're right she was. Aisa was pretty vocal about std being a compromise elimination though, she wasn't one of the people who voteparked there

And why do you think that matters?

It matters because when I say there was scum on std wagon, I don't count the people who compromise voted for the sake of elimination like Aisa

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I still think Shrek's jump on me was suspect. I'd also vote there

[Cat Scratch Fever]

That would imply Nka is not useful here @tl

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Doubt there's 4 scum each team, that feels way too scum sided and flipped power roles have been really weak

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Nah we're talking about me and Naerys today

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I see I'm getting closeish to elimination with enchant off wagon. I'm just a vt

I'm busy today but will maybe try to back read over the weekend

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Hope you did well T3

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Me. He's talking about me as today's vote

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Even if I were scum (spoiler alert I'm not), that doesn't make Enchant town by VCA because it's multiball

[Cat Scratch Fever]

A pagetop?

Spoiler: Day 1 VCs

"My wife, she tells me to go to store to buy eggs and milk. She says I must write it down on piece of paper... it does not matter whether I write eggs, milk or milk, eggs... but that is not true for vectors, only one ordered pair is the correct spot at Star Market, otherwise I go to wrong place!"

Day 1 VC 1:

Not voting (23): Random Nurse,

Flavor Leaf

, biancospino,

Hu Tao

, camelCasedSnivy,

KittyTacky

,

Save The Dragons

,

Merlyn

, davesaz, Flavia, Naerys,

Klazam

,

Psyche

, bob3141,

iamveryhappy

,TemporalLich, furtiveglance, ZZZX, the worst, bbmolla, Shrek,

JacksonVirgo

, shaddowez

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

MOD NOTES: bob3141 is V/LA

"My students... they say Linear Algebra is easy... but then we get to eigenvectors and it is important you do it right! I know ballet!"

Day 1 VC 2:

Flavor Leaf

(5): BBMolla,

Klazam

,

Flavor Leaf

, ZZZX,

Hu Tao

furtiveglance (3):

Psyche

, biancospino, the worst

Psyche

(2): shaddowez, TemporalLich
Flavia (1): camelCasedSnivy
Shrek (1): Naerys

Merlyn

(1): davesaz

Hu Tao

(1):

Merlyn

ZZZX (1):

Save The Dragons

Random Nurse (1):

iamveryhappy

Klazam

(1): Shrek
Not voting (6): Random Nurse,

KittyTacky

, Flavia, bob3141, furtiveglance,

JacksonVirgo

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

MOD NOTES: bob3141 and the worst are V/LA. Also wow, I forgot how annoying doing VC's is

"Speak louder! Speak louder! Speak louder! Speak louder! What is your question? Speak louder! No, there will not be any 3x3 matrices on the test."

Day 1 VC 3:

iamveryhappy

(4): Shrek, furtiveglance,

JacksonVirgo

,

Flavor Leaf

Hu Tao

(3):

Merlyn

,

Klazam

, bob3141

Flavor Leaf

(3):

Hu Tao

, TemporalLich,

iamveryhappy

furtiveglance (2):

Psyche

, pisskop
ZZZX (2):

Save The Dragons

, Naerys
BBMolla (2): shaddowez, camelCasedSnivy
Shrek (1): ZZZX
camelCasedSnivy (1): davesaz
TemporalLich (1): BBMolla
pisskop (1): the worst

Not voting (3): Random Nurse, Flavia,

KittyTacky

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

MOD NOTES: bob3141 and the worst are V/LA. Sorry for the massive delay in VC's, I'm working on getting a co-mod who can do VC's while I'm in the middle of my school day.

Setubal, Portugal

Day 1 VC 4:

iamveryhappy

(5): Shrek, furtiveglance,

JacksonVirgo

,

Flavor Leaf

, TemporalLich

Hu Tao

(3):

Merlyn

,

Klazam

, bob3141

Flavor Leaf

(2):

Hu Tao

,

iamveryhappy

furtiveglance (2):

Psyche

, pisskop
ZZZX (2):

Save The Dragons

, Naerys
BBMolla (2): shaddowez, camelCasedSnivy
Shrek (1): ZZZX
camelCasedSnivy (1): davesaz
TemporalLich (1): BBMolla
pisskop (1): the worst

Not voting (3): Random Nurse, Flavia,

KittyTacky

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

MOD NOTES: bob3141 and the worst are V/LA.

"Trying to do algebra without showing your work is like trying to drive through a Mac-Donalds backwards!" - Mrs. Houck

Day 1 VC 5:

iamveryhappy

(7): Shrek, furtiveglance,

JacksonVirgo

,

Flavor Leaf

, TemporalLich, CamelCasedSnivy, pisskop

Hu Tao

(3):

Merlyn

,

Klazam

, bob3141

Flavor Leaf

(2):

Hu Tao

,

iamveryhappy

ZZZX (2):

Save The Dragons

, Naerys
camelCasedSnivy (2): davesaz, shaddowez
furtiveglance (1):

Psyche

Shrek (1): ZZZX
TemporalLich (1): BBMolla
pisskop (1): the worst

Not voting (3): Random Nurse, Flavia,

Doctor Drew

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

MOD NOTES: bob3141 is V/LA. I am the backup mod.

"You are late. You missed the first half of my sentence.”

Day 1 VC 6:

iamveryhappy

(6): Shrek, furtiveglance,

JacksonVirgo

,

Flavor Leaf

, TemporalLich, pisskop

Hu Tao

(3):

Aisa

,

Klazam

, bob3141
ZZZX (3):

Save The Dragons

, Naerys, Cat Scratch Fever
camelCasedSnivy (2): davesaz, shaddowez
shaddowez (2): camelCasedSnivy, the worst
Shrek (1): ZZZX
TemporalLich (1): BBMolla

JacksonVirgo

(1):

iamveryhappy

davesaz (1):

Doctor Drew

BBMolla (1):

Psyche

Flavor Leaf

(1):

Hu Tao

Not voting (1): Random Nurse

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to eliminate.

MOD NOTES: bob3141 is V/LA.

"I cannot see pencil clearly. You must write in pen! America is a democracy."

Day 1 VC 6:

iamveryhappy

(6): Shrek, furtiveglance,

JacksonVirgo

,

Flavor Leaf

, TemporalLich, pisskop
ZZZX (5):

Save The Dragons

, Naerys, Cat Scratch Fever, the worst,

Hu Tao

Hu Tao

(3):

Aisa

,

Klazam

, bob3141
camelCasedSnivy (2): davesaz, shaddowez
shaddowez (1): camelCasedSnivy
Shrek (1): ZZZX
TemporalLich (1): BBMolla

JacksonVirgo

(1):

iamveryhappy

davesaz (1):

Doctor Drew

BBMolla (1):

Psyche

Not voting (1): Random Nurse

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to eliminate.

MOD NOTES: ZZZX is V/LA

"I Never Will Marry" by The Kossoy Sisters

Day 1 VC 7:

iamveryhappy

(4): Shrek,

JacksonVirgo

,

Flavor Leaf

, pisskop
ZZZX (3): Naerys, the worst,

Aisa

Hu Tao

(3): bob3141,

Save The Dragons

, Cat Scratch Fever
camelCasedSnivy (2): davesaz, shaddowez
BBMolla (2):

Psyche

, TemporalLich
Cat Scratch Fever (2):

Hu Tao

, furtiveglance
shaddowez (1): camelCasedSnivy
Shrek (1): ZZZX
TemporalLich (1): BBMolla

JacksonVirgo

(1):

iamveryhappy

davesaz (1):

Doctor Drew

Not voting (2): Random Nurse,

Klazam

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to eliminate.

MOD NOTES: ZZZX is V/LA. I opted to go with "Random Song" this time.

"Dreams" by Fleetwood Mac

Day 1 VC 8:

ZZZX (6): Naerys, the worst,

Aisa

,

Flavor Leaf

,

Save The Dragons

, TemporalLich
Cat Scratch Fever (4):

Hu Tao

, furtiveglance, pisskop, BBmolla

iamveryhappy

(2): Shrek,

JacksonVirgo

Hu Tao

(2): bob3141, Cat Scratch Fever
camelCasedSnivy (2): davesaz, shaddowez
BBmolla (2):

Psyche

, camelCasedSnivy
Shrek (1): ZZZX

JacksonVirgo

(1):

iamveryhappy

davesaz (1):

Doctor Drew

Not voting (2): Random Nurse,

Klazam

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to eliminate.

MOD NOTES: ZZZX is V/LA.

”Your last name… it does not sound American. Are you a real American?”

Day 1 VC 9:

ZZZX (7): Naerys, the worst,

Aisa

,

Flavor Leaf

,

Save The Dragons

, TemporalLich, BBMolla
Cat Scratch Fever (3):

Hu Tao

, furtiveglance, pisskop

iamveryhappy

(2): Shrek,

JacksonVirgo

Hu Tao

(2): bob3141, Cat Scratch Fever
camelCasedSnivy (2): davesaz, shaddowez
BBmolla (2):

Psyche

, camelCasedSnivy
Shrek (1): ZZZX

JacksonVirgo

(1):

iamveryhappy

davesaz (1):

Doctor Drew

Not voting (2): Random Nurse,

Klazam

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to eliminate.

MOD NOTES: ZZZX is V/LA.

"Attitude" by Bad Brains

Day 1 VC 10:

ZZZX (9): Naerys, the worst,

Aisa

,

Flavor Leaf

, TemporalLich, BBMolla, ZZZX, Random Nurse, Cat Scratch Fever
Cat Scratch Fever (3):

Hu Tao

, furtiveglance, pisskop
camelCasedSnivy (2): davesaz, shaddowez
BBmolla (2):

Psyche

, camelCasedSnivy

iamveryhappy

(1): Shrek

Hu Tao

(1): bob3141

JacksonVirgo

(1):

iamveryhappy

davesaz (1):

Doctor Drew

TemporalLich (1):

Klazam

Random Nurse (1):

Save The Dragons

Not voting (1):

JacksonVirgo

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to eliminate.

MOD NOTES: ZZZX is V/LA.

"No Sleep Till Brooklyn" by The Beastie Boys

Day 1 VC 11:

ZZZX (7): Naerys, the worst,

Aisa

,

Flavor Leaf

, TemporalLich, BBMolla, Random Nurse
Cat Scratch Fever (5):

Hu Tao

, furtiveglance, pisskop, Shrek,

Klazam

camelCasedSnivy (2): davesaz, shaddowez
BBmolla (2):

Psyche

, camelCasedSnivy

Hu Tao

(1): bob3141

JacksonVirgo

(1):

iamveryhappy

davesaz (1):

Doctor Drew

Random Nurse (1):

Save The Dragons

Psyche

(1):

JacksonVirgo

iamveryhappy

(1): Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (1): ZZZX

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to eliminate.

MOD NOTES: ZZZX is V/LA.

"My Pal Foot Foot" by The Shaggs

Day 1 VC 12:

ZZZX (7): Naerys, the worst,

Aisa

,

Flavor Leaf

, BBMolla, Random Nurse, TemporalLich
Cat Scratch Fever (5):

Hu Tao

, furtiveglance, pisskop, Shrek,

Klazam

BBmolla (2):

Psyche

, camelCasedSnivy
camelCasedSnivy (1): davesaz

Psyche

(1):

JacksonVirgo

Hu Tao

(1): bob3141

JacksonVirgo

(1):

iamveryhappy

davesaz (1):

Doctor Drew

Random Nurse (1):

Save The Dragons

iamveryhappy

(1): Cat Scratch Fever
the worst (1): shaddowez

Not voting (1): ZZZX

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to eliminate.

MOD NOTES: ZZZX is V/LA.

Day 1 VC 13:

iamveryhappy

(9 [E-3]): Cat Scratch Fever,

Psyche

, TemporalLich, ZZZX, furtiveglance,

Flavor Leaf

,

Save The Dragons

,

Hu Tao

, BBMolla
ZZZX (5): Naerys, the worst,

Aisa

, Random Nurse,

Doctor Drew

Cat Scratch Fever (3): pisskop, Shrek,

Klazam

Psyche

(2):

JacksonVirgo

, camelCasedSnivy
camelCasedSnivy (1): davesaz

Hu Tao

(1): bob3141

JacksonVirgo

(1):

iamveryhappy

the worst (1): shaddowez
Not voting (0):

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to eliminate.

MOD NOTES: ZZZX is V/LA.

Day 1 VC 14:

iamveryhappy

(6): Cat Scratch Fever, TemporalLich, ZZZX, furtiveglance,

Save The Dragons

,

Hu Tao

ZZZX (5): Naerys, the worst,

Aisa

, Random Nurse,

Doctor Drew

Cat Scratch Fever (3): pisskop, Shrek,

Klazam

BBMolla (3):

Psyche

,

Flavor Leaf

, BBMolla

Psyche

(2):

JacksonVirgo

, camelCasedSnivy
camelCasedSnivy (1): davesaz

Hu Tao

(1): bob3141

JacksonVirgo

(1):

iamveryhappy

the worst (1): shaddowez
Not voting (0):

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to eliminate.

MOD NOTES: ZZZX is V/LA.

"All Apologies" by Nirvana

Day 1 VC 15:

iamveryhappy

(10): Cat Scratch Fever, TemporalLich, ZZZX, furtiveglance,

Save The Dragons

,

Aisa

, BBmolla, davesaz,

Flavor Leaf

, camelCasedSnivy
ZZZX (5): Naerys, the worst, Random Nurse,

Doctor Drew

, pisskop
Cat Scratch Fever (3): Shrek,

Klazam

,

Hu Tao

BBMolla (1):

Psyche

Psyche

(1):

JacksonVirgo

Hu Tao

(1): bob3141

JacksonVirgo

(1):

iamveryhappy

the worst (1): shaddowez
Not voting (0):

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to eliminate.

MOD NOTES: ZZZX is V/LA.

”I see 7 out of 25 people… very good attendance for a discussion block!”

Day 1 VC 16:

iamveryhappy

(12 [HAMMERED]): Cat Scratch Fever, TemporalLich, ZZZX, furtiveglance,

Save The Dragons

,

Aisa

, BBmolla, davesaz,

Flavor Leaf

, camelCasedSnivy,

Doctor Drew

, Naerys
ZZZX (3): the worst, Random Nurse, pisskop
Cat Scratch Fever (3): Shrek,

Klazam

,

Hu Tao

BBMolla (1):

Psyche

Psyche

(1):

JacksonVirgo

Hu Tao

(1): bob3141

JacksonVirgo

(1):

iamveryhappy

the worst (1): shaddowez
Not voting (0):

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to eliminate.

MOD NOTES: ZZZX is V/LA. 2 AM VC’s are the best VC’s!

So IAVH wagon was a thing Day 1. It then petered out, we saw the rise of ZZZX and my (CSF) wagons, before IAVH became the EOD wagon.

Early IAVH wagon of note:

iamveryhappy

(6): Shrek, furtiveglance,

JacksonVirgo

,

Flavor Leaf

, TemporalLich, pisskop

I singled this one out because these folks were on IAVH for multiple VCs. I'd be pretty confident in at least one scum here, as this was the wagon that some of the vocal town players were pushing. Maybe even 2+ because multiball. I remember Shrek had a suspicious pivot onto voting me, and pisskop has been voting me for ? reasons. I also can't really remember anything furtive has done lately besides tunnel me; he could be scum as well.

And then the end of day IAVH wagon:

iamveryhappy

(12 [HAMMERED]): Cat Scratch Fever, TemporalLich, ZZZX, furtiveglance,

Save The Dragons

,

Aisa

, BBmolla, davesaz,

Flavor Leaf

, camelCasedSnivy,

Doctor Drew

, Naerys

Maybe I'll go through these votes later, but confidence in something coming out of it is going to be low as the game had been dragging on forever and people were eager for an elimination. There's also a good chance of scum off wagon not wanting to make waves day 1, guessing gob slot (Shrek) or bob

Some notes: if ZZZX is scum, the worst looks good here for relentlessly pushing ZZZX against the IAVH wagon. Naerys a little bit as well, even if she did hammer IAVH at the end bc at that point it was probably better to just end the day. RN gets some credit, but he wasn't very active or caught up with the game towards the end. pisskop was okay with either wagon going through so eh.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

And then Klazam associatives... this will be brief as there aren't many

ZZZX was at E-1 & Klazam didn't vote him in 2199. Klazam later decided to vote me instead in 2324, making me a viable CW to ZZZX.

So ZZZX (Enchant now) has some potential to be red Mafia from Klazam voting me over him alone. But this is unfortunately not as solid as I'd like bc maybe scum were too afraid of being the hammer vote. Though why some think I am red mafia with Klazam now is a bit of a mystery to me, unless you think Klazam decided to bus his partner for no real reason day 1.

TL is very unlikely to be red mafia since Klazam like vote parked there for a good while. Which btw is a good reason to not eliminate TL in a multiball game as that makes them a stronger night kill contender (by red maf).

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Spoiler: Day 2 VCs

Antofagasta, Chile

Day 2 VC 1:

Not voting (20):

Flavor Leaf

, pisskop,

Hu Tao

, camelCasedSnivy,

Save The Dragons

,

Aisa

, davesaz, Cat Scratch Fever, Naerys,

Psyche

, bob3141, TemporalLich, furtiveglance, ZZZX, the worst, BBMolla, Shrek,

JacksonVirgo

, shaddowez

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2023-09-29 09:08:00)

MOD NOTES:

Zibo, China

Day 2 VC 2:

bob3131 (2):

Save The Dragons

, the worst
the worst (2): shaddowez, Shrek

Not voting (16):

Flavor Leaf

, pisskop,

Hu Tao

, camelCasedSnivy,

Aisa

, davesaz, Cat Scratch Fever, Naerys,

Psyche

, bob3141, TemporalLich, furtiveglance, ZZZX, BBMolla,

JacksonVirgo

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2023-09-29 09:08:00)

MOD NOTES:

JacksonVirgo

is V/LA

Port Harcourt, Nigeria

Day 2 VC 3:

the worst (3): shaddowez, Shrek, TemporalLich

Hu Tao

(3): Cat Scratch Fever, camelCasedSnivy,

Aisa

bob3131 (2):

Save The Dragons

, the worst
BBMolla (1):

Psyche

camelCasedSnivy (1): bob3141

Not voting (10):

Flavor Leaf

, pisskop,

Hu Tao

, davesaz, Naerys, furtiveglance, ZZZX, BBMolla,

JacksonVirgo

, Random Nurse

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2023-09-29 09:08:00)

With 20 alive it takes 11 to eliminate and 10 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES:

JacksonVirgo

is V/LA

Day 2 VC 4:

Hu Tao

(9 [E-2]): Cat Scratch Fever, camelCasedSnivy,

Aisa

,

Save The Dragons

, BBMolla, the worst,

Flavor Leaf

,

Hu Tao

, TemporalLich
the worst (2): shaddowez, Shrek

Psyche

(2): Random Nurse, pisskop
BBMolla (1):

Psyche

camelCasedSnivy (1): bob3141


Not voting (5): davesaz, Naerys, furtiveglance, ZZZX,

JacksonVirgo

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2023-09-29 09:08:00)

With 20 alive it takes 11 to eliminate and 10 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES:

JacksonVirgo

is V/LA

McMurdo station, Antarctica

Day 2 VC 5:

Hu Tao

(9 [E-2]): Cat Scratch Fever, camelCasedSnivy,

Aisa

,

Save The Dragons

, BBMolla, the worst,

Flavor Leaf

,

Hu Tao

, TemporalLich

Psyche

(5): Random Nurse, pisskop,

JacksonVirgo

, furtiveglance, Naerys
the worst (2): shaddowez, Shrek
BBMolla (1):

Psyche

camelCasedSnivy (1): bob3141

Not voting (2): davesaz, ZZZX

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2023-09-29 09:08:00)

With 20 alive it takes 11 to eliminate and 10 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES:

JacksonVirgo

is V/LA

"There will be no class on Monday. I am Jewish."

Day 2 VC 6:

Hu Tao

(8 [E-3]): Cat Scratch Fever, camelCasedSnivy,

Aisa

,

Save The Dragons

, BBMolla, the worst,

Flavor Leaf

,

Hu Tao

Psyche

(8 [E-3]): Random Nurse, pisskop,

JacksonVirgo

, furtiveglance, Naerys, TemporalLich, bob3141, davesaz
the worst (2): shaddowez, Shrek
BBMolla (1):

Psyche

Not voting (1): ZZZX

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2023-09-29 09:08:00)

With 20 alive it takes 11 to eliminate and 10 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES:

JacksonVirgo

is V/LA

"Zombie" by The Cranberries

Day 2 VC 7:

Hu Tao

(8 [E-3]): Cat Scratch Fever, camelCasedSnivy,

Aisa

,

Save The Dragons

, BBMolla, the worst,

Flavor Leaf

,

Hu Tao

Psyche

(8 [E-3]): Random Nurse, pisskop,

JacksonVirgo

, furtiveglance, Naerys, TemporalLich, bob3141, davesaz
the worst (1): Shrek
BBMolla (1):

Psyche

Not voting (2): ZZZX, shaddowez

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2023-09-29 09:08:00)

With 20 alive it takes 11 to eliminate and 10 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES:

JacksonVirgo

is V/LA. Random Nurse is V/LA.

Day 2 VC 7:

Psyche

(11 [ELIMINATED]): Random Nurse, pisskop,

JacksonVirgo

, furtiveglance, Naerys, TemporalLich, bob3141, davesaz,

Hu Tao

, camelCasedSnivy,

Save The Dragons

Hu Tao

(6): Cat Scratch Fever,

Aisa

, BBMolla, the worst,

Flavor Leaf

,

Psyche

the worst (1): Shrek

Not voting (2): ZZZX, shaddowez

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2023-09-29 09:08:00)

With 20 alive it takes 11 to eliminate and 10 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES:

JacksonVirgo

is V/LA

This isn't going to be as useful due to the fake Loyal FV guilty

But Naerys picking at Hu Tao wagon instead of the Psyche wagon in 5742 feels off. Gob did the same thing yesterday too.

...who incidentally also had an interesting interaction with Naerys yesterday (D3) too about a similar group of people

Spoiler:

Okay I have changed my mind.

Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst,

I think we lynch in between these people today.

Nope sorry, i am not joining that

Why Not?

Okay I have changed my mind.

Cat Scratch Fever, Aisa, BBMolla, the worst,

I think we lynch in between these people today.

Nope sorry, i am not joining that

Why Not?

i have ppl i suspect more than those

Like who? You seem awfully adverse to looking at other people.

Reads a bit like SvS to me

Anyway the reason why the focus on the Hu Tao wagon feels off is because Psyche claimed Complex Vig, and I didn't understand and still don't really understand why we didn't let him live to try and confirm his role. We knew one roleblocker had flipped, and therefore knew there were potentially more manipulative roles affecting JV's (fake) guilty in play. I feel like the scum agenda behind pushing Psyche wagon over is pretty clear.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: CSF

L-I

Why?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Anyway Enchant it's your time to shine

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I already claimed VT

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Don't sheep my reads too hard, I've been pretty checked out of this game tbh. I need a mafia break. But re-eval everything postflip

[Cat Scratch Fever]

The urge to self pres is real

VOTE: dave

[Cat Scratch Fever]

It doesn't really seem like any real discussion is happening anymore

Someone just hammer so we can move on, I'm not going to self vote

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I mean you put me at E-1

[Cat Scratch Fever]

You're a better execution than bbmolla

I'm behind again, but need to prod dodge because work

[Cat Scratch Fever]

You're a better execution than bbmolla

I'm behind again, but need to prod dodge because work

holy OMGUS that is not a towny reaction

It was a joke lol

[Cat Scratch Fever]

or example if I said you had a 1 in 100,000,000 chance of winning a billion $$$ if you hit the red button, or a 1 in 10 chance if you hit the blue button, which button are you gonna hit?

Neither, i dont want such amount of money.
The problem is that we dont know the amount of goons. Does each team have 1 or 2 goons? I am tired of this, i disagree with ur chance calculations, end of story.

*snarl*

Do not miss my point.

We are not going to eliminate BBMolla simply for being Vanilla—he is more likely to be a VT over a Goon.

You have NO leg to stand on here, and your refusal to acknowledge basic mathematics tells me that you are possibly Scum unwilling to acknowledge mathematical truths. If you're Town... you really need to start understanding mathematical odds. You have NO room to wriggle out of this one, Naerys. If you're Town you resolve this with me now or I will become a worsening thorn in your side this game.

Is he more likely goon than VT after claiming PR day 1 though

Could be scum needing to backtrack

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Yes Molla
Claimed a weak pr, similar to motion detector

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Someone investigate Hu Tao

Please don't

I’m investigating you am I gonna die

There was also this but may also have been a joke

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: bbmola

Hey hey, been a while

Why did you roll scum this game?

no scum roll for me, im something kinda dumb but kinda important but kinda boring like 2-shot town motion detector

VOTE: Merlyn

Is this the one?

If so it's only the 34th post. Shit talk happens early. Did he make subsequent posts alluding to being a weak PR?

This was the main soft I was thinking about, yes

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Blue and red is absolutely pointless without at least one more scum flip. Not ordered within tiers.

davesaz
shaddowez
pisskop
camelCasedSnivy
bob3141

Naerys


TemporalLich
furtiveglance
the worst

Random Nurse

Cat Scratch Fever
Enchant
BBMolla
gob

Why is TL mid tier? I remember you scumread his posts because they would change when there was pushback

[Cat Scratch Fever]

CSF's towniness under pressure doesn't make bad VCA not bad VCA

what was bad about their VCA?

she was on the Hu Tao wagon for all of Day 2, and seems to be an opportunistic voter

isnt that just bad voting not bad VCA?

TL also made like the same votes day 1 and day 2

[Cat Scratch Fever]

GG nice win town!

No redactions from me